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- 0:00Speaker 1: Max Crosby from the Las Vegas Raiders, and this is
- 0:02Speaker 1: the NFL report.
- 0:12Speaker 2: Yeah, baby, JP, Max Crosby littered up for us last week.
- 0:16Speaker 2: But we have a massive show today, Jane Palmer As
- 0:19Speaker 2: we have Buccaneers general manager Jason light We're gonna talk
- 0:23Speaker 2: to him about trying to run it back with a
- 0:25Speaker 2: nine to eighteen resigning Baker Mayfield and the crew. We
- 0:28Speaker 2: have got USC co defensive coordinator Eric Henderson. Eric used
- 0:33Speaker 2: to coach Aaron Donald, the recently retired Aaron Donald with
- 0:36Speaker 2: the Rams the past five years.
- 0:38Speaker 3: You know he's gonna be bringing the heat.
- 0:40Speaker 2: And also Tom Pellis or vil insider with all the
- 0:44Speaker 2: goings on that are ongoing in the NFL.
- 0:47Speaker 3: JP. Hey, before we get started.
- 0:48Speaker 2: Man, have you watched like any of these conference tournaments
- 0:53Speaker 2: in college basketball leading up to the NCAA Tournament.
- 0:56Speaker 3: Now?
- 0:56Speaker 1: I think my buck guys are the number two seed
- 0:58Speaker 1: in the NIT though, so I'll be in the NIT tournament.
- 1:02Speaker 2: Apparently I watched none, but I got a bunch of notices.
- 1:04Speaker 2: How Howard University he won the mediac and we get
- 1:08Speaker 2: the playing game. They just can't even give us a
- 1:11Speaker 2: sixteenth seed out of the gate.
- 1:13Speaker 3: Well, That's all right, because the big news.
- 1:15Speaker 2: Jap the reason why we're really not, you know, too
- 1:17Speaker 2: much involved in college basketball because we're NFL centric. The
- 1:20Speaker 2: big news was the Pittsburgh Steelers, a team known for
- 1:24Speaker 2: its stability, has brought in two veteran quarterbacks.
- 1:28Speaker 3: Let's hear from one of them, and that is Russell Wilson.
- 1:33Speaker 4: I'm really excited about just the opportunity to really be
- 1:36Speaker 4: the best version of myself every day. Bring that to
- 1:38Speaker 4: the table. You know, I know it looks like to win.
- 1:41Speaker 4: Coach obviously knows what it looks like to win. This
- 1:43Speaker 4: team does, and so this city does more importantly, you know,
- 1:47Speaker 4: the city at Pittsburgh. So I'm excited about it. I
- 1:49Speaker 4: was fortunate to have several teams call and all that,
- 1:51Speaker 4: but this is the place that I wanted to be,
- 1:53Speaker 4: be a Pittsburgh Steeler and to wear the black and gold.
- 1:55Speaker 4: It's a true honor, it's tradition, it's history. There's six
- 1:59Speaker 4: trophies in there. We gotta go get a seventh, and.
- 2:02Speaker 2: That was former Broncos and Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson. But
- 2:06Speaker 2: also they make the trade for Justin Fields JP and
- 2:09Speaker 2: only have to give up a sixth rounder from the
- 2:13Speaker 2: twenty twenty five draft that can convert to.
- 2:16Speaker 3: A fourth rounded But let's look at this.
- 2:17Speaker 2: We're gonna hit this on a lot different angles, Jameson,
- 2:20Speaker 2: and my thing is this, they were a playoff team
- 2:22Speaker 2: last year, right with Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph and
- 2:26Speaker 2: Mitch Trubisky. Do either one of these quarterbacks make them
- 2:30Speaker 2: any better?
- 2:31Speaker 3: Do they add wins?
- 2:33Speaker 1: I think the quarterback room Steve got better as a whole,
- 2:37Speaker 1: from Mitch Tribitsky and Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph to
- 2:41Speaker 1: now Russell Wilson and Justin Fields. But let's be abundantly clear.
- 2:45Speaker 1: We heard Russ say a couple of teams were calling.
- 2:47Speaker 1: My understanding is this kind of was really his only
- 2:50Speaker 1: option to go out there and start Week one in
- 2:54Speaker 1: the NFL in twenty twenty four. So he was really
- 2:56Speaker 1: looking at the Steelers or I don't know what you
- 3:00Speaker 1: look at Justin Field's market. You mentioned the sixth round
- 3:03Speaker 1: pick that can become a fourth round pick if he
- 3:04Speaker 1: plays fifty one percent of the snaps or more for
- 3:07Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers this season. That also shows you the
- 3:10Speaker 1: market there for him was not what we entirely thought
- 3:14Speaker 1: it could have been. Now, there were several other teams
- 3:16Speaker 1: that did inquire about Fields, a lot of them about
- 3:18Speaker 1: him being their backup. He wanted to go to the Steelers.
- 3:21Speaker 1: The Bears wanted to do right by him. He goes
- 3:23Speaker 1: to the Steelers. My thought, Steve, is why did he
- 3:26Speaker 1: want to go to the Pittsburgh Steelers. It's probably because
- 3:28Speaker 1: that's his best chance to start. And the fascinating part
- 3:31Speaker 1: about this is they're almost the same player. Now, the
- 3:36Speaker 1: point you're making is do one of these guys push
- 3:39Speaker 1: them over the top from what this team is with
- 3:42Speaker 1: a very good defense, an offensive line that was playing
- 3:44Speaker 1: really well towards the back end of the season, a
- 3:46Speaker 1: good run game, and some really good up and coming
- 3:49Speaker 1: skill type players. But these are the two most sacked
- 3:52Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the NFL since twenty twenty one. They're the
- 3:55Speaker 1: two slowest players in terms of getting rid of the
- 3:58Speaker 1: football in the NA this past season. There's so many
- 4:02Speaker 1: similarities between these two quarterbacks. The only difference really is
- 4:07Speaker 1: age and turning the football over. So to me, Steve,
- 4:10Speaker 1: when Week one rolls around, Wills kick this conversation off
- 4:14Speaker 1: with who is the starter for the Pittsburgh Steelers. And
- 4:18Speaker 1: even though we're told right now that Russell Wilson's in
- 4:21Speaker 1: the driver's seat, do you think that changes during the offseason.
- 4:25Speaker 3: I do.
- 4:25Speaker 2: I mean, look, if there is a coach in the
- 4:28Speaker 2: NFL it's gonna put the best players on the field,
- 4:29Speaker 2: it is Mike Tomlin. We've seen that he's got a
- 4:31Speaker 2: history of playing whoever is going to give their team
- 4:34Speaker 2: the best chance to win. And that's just not a
- 4:36Speaker 2: cliche with him. And if Justin Fields outperforms Russell Wilson
- 4:39Speaker 2: in training camp, he will be the Week one starter. Yeah,
- 4:41Speaker 2: Russell's gonna be the guy when we go into offseason
- 4:43Speaker 2: workouts and stuff, getting the first team reps. Initially, Well,
- 4:47Speaker 2: let's see how this thing plays out. And you know,
- 4:49Speaker 2: I know you said they're kind of like the same
- 4:51Speaker 2: type of guys and you cited some of the metrics.
- 4:54Speaker 2: I do think they're different because Russell does have the experience, right,
- 4:57Speaker 2: he does come in with a Super Bowl championship, He's
- 4:59Speaker 2: got in an early part of a Hall of Fame
- 5:02Speaker 2: type of career. Now the last couple of years have
- 5:04Speaker 2: gotten sideways. Now we're gonna find out is is he
- 5:07Speaker 2: shot is Justin Fields is simply better because he's younger
- 5:10Speaker 2: and a better athlete, or does he have something left?
- 5:13Speaker 2: Is Justin Field's gonna be able to push him in
- 5:15Speaker 2: a way he hasn't been pushed before. We're gonna see.
- 5:17Speaker 2: But I want to also take it from this angle.
- 5:19Speaker 2: Everything you mentioned. These are two quarterbacks. Two teams just
- 5:22Speaker 2: gave up on Russell Wilson is being paid thirty nine
- 5:25Speaker 2: million dollars by the Denver Broncos not to play with him,
- 5:27Speaker 2: and Justin Fields again got traded away from a team
- 5:31Speaker 2: that's gonna draft somebody first overall to replace him or
- 5:34Speaker 2: a pick they're not gonna get back until next season.
- 5:36Speaker 2: Let's also factor this into what's gonna happen with the Steelers.
- 5:40Speaker 2: Arthur Smith is the new offensive coordinator. People can say
- 5:42Speaker 2: whatever they want body being a head coach in Atlanta.
- 5:46Speaker 2: Had they had solid quarterback play there, they would have
- 5:48Speaker 2: been a ten or eleven win team last year.
- 5:51Speaker 3: So he can coach.
- 5:52Speaker 2: But Arthur Smith did not want Justin Fields. He had
- 5:56Speaker 2: the opportunity to pick him a couple of years ago
- 5:59Speaker 2: when they had the fourth overall pick, and what with
- 6:01Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts, and they passed on Justin Fields. I have
- 6:04Speaker 2: been told by people in the building that he had
- 6:07Speaker 2: no interest in Justin Field. So now he's got a
- 6:09Speaker 2: coaching how is he gonna do that. He's got no choice.
- 6:12Speaker 2: Maybe Justin Fields has grown to where he thinks he
- 6:14Speaker 2: can do something with him. I frankly do think Arthur
- 6:16Speaker 2: Smith is going to be able to do something with
- 6:18Speaker 2: him and Russell Wilson. So I just don't know if
- 6:22Speaker 2: this team is gonna get any better. Back to our
- 6:24Speaker 2: main point, but I do think Arthur Smith is the
- 6:27Speaker 2: proper coach who might be able to, as I tweeted,
- 6:31Speaker 2: get what's left out of Russell Wilson and maybe unearsome
- 6:34Speaker 2: things we haven't seen yet out of Justin Field.
- 6:37Speaker 1: And that's what we're all looking for, Steve, because this
- 6:38Speaker 1: really looks like a one year Let's see what you
- 6:41Speaker 1: got for a lot of people involved in this situation. Yeah,
- 6:44Speaker 1: probably Mike Tomlin included Arthur Smith both of these quarterbacks,
- 6:49Speaker 1: and as they evaluate it, that's where I have the
- 6:52Speaker 1: question of if this is really considered a success, and
- 6:55Speaker 1: for this to be successful, it might have to be
- 6:58Speaker 1: that Justin Fields goes out there and wins the competition.
- 7:02Speaker 1: Steve and You're right, Arthur Smith gets more out of
- 7:04Speaker 1: him than we've seen anybody else get out of him,
- 7:07Speaker 1: and that wouldn't be a stretch in all honesty. He's
- 7:09Speaker 1: gotten more out of Marcus Marioa than anybody else has
- 7:11Speaker 1: ever had. He's probably more out of Ryan Tannehill than
- 7:14Speaker 1: anyone else has ever had as well. And I look
- 7:18Speaker 1: at twenty five years old, he's more explosive, more athletic,
- 7:22Speaker 1: has a higher ceiling. They have a longer future. And
- 7:26Speaker 1: this is a guy that could be beloved in the
- 7:28Speaker 1: locker room in Pittsburgh just as he was in Chicago.
- 7:32Speaker 1: But the problem the caveat the fourth quarter is just
- 7:36Speaker 1: abysmal for Justin Fields, like the worst quarterback grating we've
- 7:39Speaker 1: seen in the fourth quarter in some time. Secondly, if
- 7:42Speaker 1: they make the decision that Fields is the guy to
- 7:45Speaker 1: go with, you do have to cater the offense to
- 7:47Speaker 1: Justin Fields. That's always been the issue in Chicago, where
- 7:52Speaker 1: they would kind of cater to him for a while,
- 7:54Speaker 1: then they would get away from it, and then they'd
- 7:55Speaker 1: go back to it and get away from it. He
- 7:57Speaker 1: has a specific style in which how he plays that's
- 8:01Speaker 1: hard to figure out. In a sense, Steve that if
- 8:03Speaker 1: that's the way you want to go, you have to
- 8:05Speaker 1: fully commit to it, and that puts you in a
- 8:07Speaker 1: difficult spot when you're competing between two quarterbacks. I will
- 8:10Speaker 1: say this, Russ protects the football. Russ protects the football
- 8:13Speaker 1: in the red zone. He will make sure he doesn't
- 8:16Speaker 1: hurt you. But at the same time, that style of
- 8:18Speaker 1: play Steve was not sustainable this past year. In the
- 8:21Speaker 1: eyes of Sean Payton.
- 8:23Speaker 2: It's not going to be sustainable in a division where, oh,
- 8:25Speaker 2: you have the reigning MVP and Lamar Jackson, you have
- 8:28Speaker 2: Joey Burrow coming back, and in Cleveland you've got this
- 8:30Speaker 2: Sean Watson or whomever ends up at quarterbacks and is
- 8:33Speaker 2: are signing every quarterback that's available right now. But you
- 8:36Speaker 2: have three teams that are potentially better than the Steelers
- 8:38Speaker 2: as well.
- 8:39Speaker 3: So quarterback play is vital.
- 8:41Speaker 2: We've heard their owner Are Rooney basically come out and say, Okay,
- 8:44Speaker 2: we're kind of tired of having this winning record.
- 8:46Speaker 3: Thing.
- 8:46Speaker 2: We want to get back to the Super Bowl play.
- 8:48Speaker 2: One thing that we're seeing that this emphasizes more than
- 8:51Speaker 2: anything JP is is very hard to replace a franchise quarterback,
- 8:57Speaker 2: you know, trying to replace Ben Roethlisberger. Trying to replace
- 9:00Speaker 2: this all around the NFL. It is not an easy
- 9:03Speaker 2: thing to do. So look what a roll of the dice,
- 9:06Speaker 2: so to speak. It's a low risk roll of the dice.
- 9:08Speaker 2: Like you said, this could be a one year thing
- 9:10Speaker 2: for everybody involved with the Steelers. This is gonna be
- 9:13Speaker 2: one of those teams to watch early on just to
- 9:15Speaker 2: see how it figures out.
- 9:16Speaker 3: Because, like you keep saying, Justin Fields, I think.
- 9:19Speaker 2: Is really really gonna push Russ and could end up
- 9:22Speaker 2: as the Week one starter.
- 9:24Speaker 5: Definitely true.
- 9:25Speaker 1: Multiple players I've talked to have gone against Justin Fields
- 9:27Speaker 1: over the year. Seven said one of the most competitive players. Yeah,
- 9:30Speaker 1: he's gone against and this is gonna be a spot.
- 9:32Speaker 1: It's not easy to get to that training camp, but
- 9:34Speaker 1: I'm gonna find a way to get there.
- 9:35Speaker 5: This training camp coming up.
- 9:37Speaker 1: We have Jason like the mastermind of money, you could say.
- 9:43Speaker 1: Him and his group always find a way to make
- 9:44Speaker 1: things happen with the Tampa Bay Bucks. He wants to
- 9:46Speaker 1: bring everybody back if it happens. Steve, they're having a
- 9:48Speaker 1: boat parade. He says he has a couple more pieces
- 9:51Speaker 1: to put in place before that parade. Happens, Baker was
- 9:54Speaker 1: a big one. We'll ask him about his quarterback next.
- 9:56Speaker 1: On the NFL Report.
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- 10:20Speaker 5: Welcome back to the.
- 10:20Speaker 1: NFL Report, James Palmer, Steve whtch with you, and we
- 10:23Speaker 1: are lucky Steve to be joined by Jason light, the
- 10:26Speaker 1: general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And Jason, thank
- 10:30Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. You're trying to bring
- 10:33Speaker 1: everybody back. You're you're You're almost there. You're almost to
- 10:35Speaker 1: the boat parade. But we'll get to that in a second.
- 10:37Speaker 1: I want to start with the guy who lines up
- 10:40Speaker 1: under center, and Baker Mayfield. You liked him coming out
- 10:42Speaker 1: of the draft. Uh, your head coach had a relationship
- 10:45Speaker 1: with him. You guys felt very good about him. But
- 10:48Speaker 1: when you had him for this year, what did you
- 10:51Speaker 1: learn maybe about him? You didn't know that maybe puts
- 10:54Speaker 1: you over the edge. Jason, that goes we have to
- 10:56Speaker 1: bring back Baker Mayfield.
- 10:58Speaker 7: Well, we always knew that he was a super competitive player,
- 11:02Speaker 7: super competitive person, you know, he's got that at moxie
- 11:07Speaker 7: to him. That's kind of what made everybody, the people
- 11:09Speaker 7: that loved him coming out, that's what made him made
- 11:12Speaker 7: us love him. I guess it was the extreme leadership
- 11:16Speaker 7: that he showed and took over the.
- 11:18Speaker 5: Team right away.
- 11:18Speaker 7: And that's uh, you know, he he was the he
- 11:22Speaker 7: was part of the stir, the straw, the stir of
- 11:24Speaker 7: the drink this year. And you know, just with that
- 11:27Speaker 7: with his leadership and his toughness, and you know, it
- 11:29Speaker 7: was it was our identity this.
- 11:31Speaker 2: Year, Jason and saying that, I mean, you've been around
- 11:34Speaker 2: this league for a while. It is not easy for
- 11:36Speaker 2: basically to import a quarterback to a veteran laden team
- 11:40Speaker 2: and that player feel comfortable in assuming that leadership role.
- 11:44Speaker 3: Like that?
- 11:44Speaker 2: Is that something when you talk about leadership that you
- 11:47Speaker 2: factored in, Like, man, he just came in here, We've
- 11:50Speaker 2: got all these guys already in place, and he said,
- 11:52Speaker 2: let's rock and roll.
- 11:53Speaker 3: This is our team.
- 11:54Speaker 2: I mean, is that something that that maybe pushed it
- 11:56Speaker 2: over the top, that little added stuff that he had.
- 11:59Speaker 7: Well, it definitely did. Steven in the fact that he
- 12:01Speaker 7: followed a legend that you know, the greatest of all
- 12:05Speaker 7: time that was here also shows that he's got a
- 12:08Speaker 7: lot of confidence, and that confidence just it bled into
- 12:13Speaker 7: the entire team. When we were going through some some
- 12:15Speaker 7: rough times this year. You know, he never blinked and
- 12:19Speaker 7: the team followed him. So we're, like I said, we're
- 12:22Speaker 7: fortunate to have him. So we wanted to have We
- 12:23Speaker 7: wanted to make sure that we locked him up.
- 12:25Speaker 3: And Jason to that point.
- 12:26Speaker 2: To follow it up, if you if you guys got
- 12:29Speaker 2: him done before free agency started, do you think if
- 12:31Speaker 2: you actually got the free agency you would have been
- 12:33Speaker 2: in trouble that somebody else could have scooped in.
- 12:35Speaker 7: Well, I can't see why we wouldn't why somebody wouldn't
- 12:38Speaker 7: want to want him and have an opportunity to talk
- 12:40Speaker 7: to him. You know, like I said, all at the combine,
- 12:44Speaker 7: I think when I talked to everybody, he wanted to
- 12:46Speaker 7: be here. There's no doubt he didn't hide that, and
- 12:49Speaker 7: we wanted him. So at some point you think that
- 12:52Speaker 7: you'd be able to make a deal. But you know,
- 12:55Speaker 7: we both had to do our respective things, uh to
- 12:58Speaker 7: you know, to make sure that we both felt like
- 13:00Speaker 7: the deal was fair. And that's what we did, and
- 13:02Speaker 7: I'm glad we never got to that point, so I
- 13:04Speaker 7: guess we'll never know. Good.
- 13:09Speaker 1: That's a good point, Jason. You mentioned Brady, and I
- 13:12Speaker 1: was there with you, guys.
- 13:13Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember me.
- 13:14Speaker 1: I was all masked up, one of the few people
- 13:16Speaker 1: that was there to stand there every day of training
- 13:18Speaker 1: camp while Tom was out there trying to get that
- 13:20Speaker 1: offense in place in that first year he was there.
- 13:22Speaker 1: And you mentioned with Baker the scale that you mentioned
- 13:26Speaker 1: that he's like an offensive lineman. He's a ten out
- 13:28Speaker 1: of ten, I believe on the I think it was
- 13:30Speaker 1: the prickly scale, I'll call it. Maybe I saw you
- 13:34Speaker 1: see a lot of that in Brady as well in
- 13:36Speaker 1: the way he works with guys. How much have you
- 13:38Speaker 1: learned about that trait with the quarterback position, maybe after
- 13:43Speaker 1: your time with Tom and now that you see it
- 13:45Speaker 1: in Baker. Is there a similarity between the two with
- 13:47Speaker 1: that specific trait.
- 13:49Speaker 7: Well, it's hard to compare anybody to Brady, but I
- 13:53Speaker 7: will say that you are correct. I remember when you
- 13:56Speaker 7: did have the you had the airbnb down the road
- 13:58Speaker 7: here from.
- 13:58Speaker 3: Marslute there we go.
- 14:03Speaker 5: Yep, Yeah, by.
- 14:09Speaker 7: Jason, Brady's a fierce competitor, and so is Baker, and
- 14:15Speaker 7: that's obviously a trait that we've seen here the last
- 14:18Speaker 7: two quarterbacks we have. That's a that's a positive thing.
- 14:20Speaker 7: It's something that we'll look forward to. We we we
- 14:23Speaker 7: always try to identify that in the quarterbacks that we
- 14:26Speaker 7: that we valuate in the draft and regency. We always
- 14:29Speaker 7: look for that. But you know, we've seen it firsthand
- 14:33Speaker 7: now and it certainly has shown to be something that
- 14:38Speaker 7: is what gets the best out of these guys.
- 14:40Speaker 2: Jason, what's it like, you know, when you when you
- 14:43Speaker 2: kind of have I don't know if it's a predicable.
- 14:45Speaker 2: Let's call it a situation where you have a franchise
- 14:47Speaker 2: legend like a Mike Evans, right, and he's coming up
- 14:51Speaker 2: on the contractual situation.
- 14:52Speaker 3: He's still productive player, but to make a decision.
- 14:55Speaker 2: Like, Okay, maybe he's getting up there in years, do
- 14:58Speaker 2: we let him go? Do we a back because of
- 15:01Speaker 2: the affinity the fan base and the organization.
- 15:03Speaker 3: Has from him.
- 15:04Speaker 2: Again, I know it's a specific case, but what is
- 15:07Speaker 2: it like having to kind of make those decisions, be
- 15:10Speaker 2: it past present versus future.
- 15:14Speaker 7: It's not fun sometimes, But in this particular case with Mike,
- 15:18Speaker 7: you he did not slow down at all. Year, he
- 15:22Speaker 7: had one of his best years. He's of course, we
- 15:25Speaker 7: look at all the GPS and all those things, and
- 15:27Speaker 7: he was one of the fastest years that he's had.
- 15:30Speaker 7: It's it's it's it's a tribute to his training. He's uh,
- 15:33Speaker 7: he's working extremely hard. As he's gotten up there in
- 15:35Speaker 7: age and as he's put years locked years in he's
- 15:38Speaker 7: worked harder and harder in the offseason. And he's a
- 15:40Speaker 7: freak worker right now. So we weren't afraid of him
- 15:43Speaker 7: losing anything. In fact, we think that he's he's still
- 15:47Speaker 7: in his prime, very much so. And I wouldn't be
- 15:49Speaker 7: surprised if we actually signed him to another contract extension
- 15:52Speaker 7: after this one's done. The way he's motivated right.
- 15:54Speaker 3: Now, there we go breaking news. Oh.
- 15:57Speaker 5: I love that he's always breaking news.
- 16:01Speaker 1: But Jason, you did say in the press conference, he
- 16:03Speaker 1: almost you know, you want to avoid getting emotional talking
- 16:06Speaker 1: about Mike, Like, what does he genuinely mean to you?
- 16:10Speaker 1: I know he means a lot to your family as well,
- 16:12Speaker 1: But why is he's just so special as a.
- 16:15Speaker 5: Human being and to you.
- 16:17Speaker 7: It's because he's the most selfless player that I've ever
- 16:21Speaker 7: been around. He's one of the most humble superstars. We've
- 16:24Speaker 7: used that several times here, but that's the best way
- 16:26Speaker 7: to describe him. He's he's all about team. There's not
- 16:30Speaker 7: a single person in that locker room that doesn't respect him,
- 16:32Speaker 7: not a single person in this building that doesn't respect him.
- 16:34Speaker 7: He knows everybody, he treats everybody the same. He treats
- 16:37Speaker 7: everybody to respect, and all he wants to do is win.
- 16:40Speaker 7: And you know, I couldn't draw up a better teammate
- 16:43Speaker 7: than Mike Evans, which is which is why this became
- 16:46Speaker 7: very emotional in the thought of losing him would be
- 16:50Speaker 7: I felt, would be very detrimental to this organization. So
- 16:53Speaker 7: I'm glad once again he's another one. I'm glad. We
- 16:55Speaker 7: don't know what happened, what would have happened if we
- 16:57Speaker 7: didn't sign him before free agency started. I just know
- 17:00Speaker 7: that I had a few cocktails after we got that
- 17:02Speaker 7: one done.
- 17:03Speaker 3: Well done, well done, well learned.
- 17:06Speaker 5: I think everybody one of them.
- 17:07Speaker 2: Right, So, Jason, when you know you guys resigned several
- 17:11Speaker 2: of your own players, and all your teams try to
- 17:13Speaker 2: say like, hey, the goal is to always draft, develop,
- 17:15Speaker 2: and re sign, but why such you know why this
- 17:19Speaker 2: commitment to this team. I mean, we know you guys
- 17:21Speaker 2: made made the playoff run last year, but why maybe
- 17:25Speaker 2: not go out and refresh certain guys. Is there a
- 17:28Speaker 2: certain thought to say, hey, we know we can take
- 17:31Speaker 2: these guys that we had and get to the next
- 17:34Speaker 2: level or kind of what was it thinking about resigning
- 17:37Speaker 2: so many of your own guys.
- 17:38Speaker 7: Well, we've still felt like they were very They were
- 17:41Speaker 7: very good players and they're not slowing down, and they
- 17:45Speaker 7: were a big reason why we were able to get
- 17:48Speaker 7: over the hump last year when we were four and seven.
- 17:50Speaker 7: All of these players that we resigned, Levonte David Mike Evans.
- 17:56Speaker 7: I mean, these two are gonna put I think they're
- 17:59Speaker 7: Hall of Fame players and they're still playing at Levante.
- 18:02Speaker 7: We haven't talked about him. He played, he had one
- 18:04Speaker 7: of his best years too, So it must be something
- 18:06Speaker 7: in then Tampa for him and Mike to be playing
- 18:09Speaker 7: the level that they are, and we'll take it.
- 18:12Speaker 1: What also happens in Tampa is what happens in the
- 18:15Speaker 1: Great State of Florida. Jason, is no state income tax?
- 18:19Speaker 1: You've joked about this kind of but also I'm curious
- 18:23Speaker 1: if you do use it to your advantage, you any
- 18:25Speaker 1: general manager in Texas, say the Titans. Just how does
- 18:29Speaker 1: that come into play if it does at all when
- 18:32Speaker 1: you're trying to get deals done?
- 18:34Speaker 5: Does it?
- 18:34Speaker 7: I think it does at times more times often than not.
- 18:39Speaker 7: But these players these days are very very smart. They're
- 18:41Speaker 7: smart with their money, They invest very well, and they know,
- 18:45Speaker 7: especially these big, big deals, when you're talking about tens
- 18:48Speaker 7: of millions of dollars, making them in a state where
- 18:52Speaker 7: there's no state income tax compared to a state that does,
- 18:55Speaker 7: it does add up over time. It's quite as pretty
- 18:58Speaker 7: significant difference. Now, it's not always the case. I'm not
- 19:02Speaker 7: saying we're always going to win that battle against another
- 19:04Speaker 7: team that doesn't have this advantage, but it's it's always
- 19:07Speaker 7: nice well.
- 19:08Speaker 2: And also hasn't hurt that Tampa's like one of the
- 19:09Speaker 2: most beautiful places in the United.
- 19:11Speaker 3: States for people to spend a few years.
- 19:14Speaker 2: Jason and so so kind of on on the on
- 19:16Speaker 2: the the general of the big picture thing. One trend
- 19:20Speaker 2: that we have seen that we saw this this free
- 19:22Speaker 2: agency period is an urgency in signing the backup quarterback.
- 19:27Speaker 2: What is kind of your observation the way that the team,
- 19:29Speaker 2: the teams across the league on the first two days
- 19:32Speaker 2: of free agency, went out and made sure that they
- 19:34Speaker 2: had insurance behind their starter or secured a bridge type
- 19:38Speaker 2: of quarterback.
- 19:39Speaker 7: Well, it's a very important position. If if the starter
- 19:42Speaker 7: goes down, normally that means the season's over for a team.
- 19:46Speaker 7: If you have a good player. You sawt share with
- 19:49Speaker 7: with the Colts that they could rally with with Gardner
- 19:52Speaker 7: and and and and almost made it and had a
- 19:55Speaker 7: pretty good year. You don't want to You don't want
- 19:57Speaker 7: to be in a situation where it's over as the
- 20:00Speaker 7: starter does go down, And we don't feel that that's
- 20:02Speaker 7: the case here at all. We like Kyle a lot.
- 20:04Speaker 7: It was a very heated battle last year in camp
- 20:07Speaker 7: that Baker ended up winning and during the preseason. So
- 20:11Speaker 7: but it's a very very important position, always has been here.
- 20:15Speaker 7: You can't put a price tag on how important that is.
- 20:19Speaker 1: Jason, you like to break some news. We were joking
- 20:22Speaker 1: around about it before the interview. I just would love
- 20:24Speaker 1: for you to just break Tristan Wurf's has done a
- 20:27Speaker 1: long term deal for Antoine Winfield Junior is done. Where
- 20:31Speaker 1: do you stand with trying to finish things up so
- 20:34Speaker 1: you can have this boat parade with both of those
- 20:36Speaker 1: players who are just young and unbelievably talented and probably
- 20:40Speaker 1: players you want to be in Tampa for a long time.
- 20:43Speaker 7: Oh, there's no doubt those two guys are. Both of
- 20:45Speaker 7: them just I think they're on their way to possibly
- 20:48Speaker 7: having a historic career. They've already had great careers, but
- 20:51Speaker 7: historic careers and hopefully the entire time here in Tampa work.
- 20:56Speaker 7: Our staff did a fantastic job that year in COVID draft.
- 21:00Speaker 7: In fact, I've joked a few times that maybe we
- 21:01Speaker 7: should just all go from home and do the draft
- 21:04Speaker 7: with via zoom again like we did that year. It's uh,
- 21:08Speaker 7: it was uh, that's that's our That's a very high
- 21:11Speaker 7: priority for us right now. Number one, Antwine and then
- 21:15Speaker 7: and then and then in no particular order, but then
- 21:17Speaker 7: Tristan as well, to get them locked up long term.
- 21:20Speaker 2: Hey, Jason, this has been fantastic. We really, we really
- 21:23Speaker 2: really appreciate you spending the time and we have got
- 21:26Speaker 2: to get some of those creamsickle caps that you're done
- 21:28Speaker 2: and that is a sweet brim you're rocking right there, man,
- 21:32Speaker 2: So thank you so much for taking the time with Jason.
- 21:34Speaker 5: All the best.
- 21:35Speaker 7: I'll try to hook you up I know, thank you, Jason.
- 21:37Speaker 3: There we go.
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- 21:53Speaker 2: He has been arguably the best, not just defensive player,
- 21:56Speaker 2: but the best player of a generation, if not to
- 22:00Speaker 2: Aaron Donald has retired, and we'll be talking to his
- 22:03Speaker 2: former position coach, who's gonna give us the inside deeps
- 22:07Speaker 2: to Donald's greatness.
- 22:21Speaker 5: Four he throws it away.
- 22:23Speaker 3: Aaron Donald got there.
- 22:25Speaker 8: And you can build that man stats you out Soapy Stadium.
- 22:29Speaker 8: Right now, the greatest of all time on defense does
- 22:33Speaker 8: it in the biggest moment of Super Bowl fifty six.
- 22:40Speaker 2: We are back at the NFL Report James Palmer, and
- 22:43Speaker 2: that is Aaron Donald, one of the greatest we've ever
- 22:46Speaker 2: seen to do it. A retired Friday, and now we're
- 22:49Speaker 2: joined by Eric Henderson, now the co defensive coordinator and
- 22:52Speaker 2: run game coordinator at University of Southern California. But Eric,
- 22:55Speaker 2: of course, he spent the last five seasons with the
- 22:58Speaker 2: Rams and Partners D Line. Oh it's party's run game coordinator.
- 23:01Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us real quick. Over
- 23:04Speaker 2: your left shoulder.
- 23:06Speaker 3: There is a picture I can just tell by the
- 23:07Speaker 3: body type of.
- 23:09Speaker 2: Aaron Donald chasing Kyler Murray, like, why is that hanging
- 23:15Speaker 2: on your wall?
- 23:16Speaker 9: That was the one hundred seck? That was his one
- 23:18Speaker 9: hundred seck.
- 23:19Speaker 10: Obviously that's important when we talk about just career stats,
- 23:23Speaker 10: one that he wanted me to have, and so I'm
- 23:26Speaker 10: very appreciative of that and it'd always be with me.
- 23:31Speaker 1: I love I love it is that guy right there,
- 23:35Speaker 1: tweeted out, he's he's very thankful. Quarterbacks around the league,
- 23:38Speaker 1: Eric are very thankful that Aaron is hanging it up
- 23:40Speaker 1: just unlike any other player we've really ever seen. And
- 23:45Speaker 1: the first thing that jumps to my mind is the
- 23:46Speaker 1: way he rushed the quarterback from the interior. Now that
- 23:50Speaker 1: he has officially retired, has he changed the position in
- 23:54Speaker 1: the NFL in any way in your mind?
- 23:57Speaker 9: No doubt.
- 23:58Speaker 10: I Mean, you talk about a guy that's just I mean,
- 24:02Speaker 10: he is the best in the world at what he does.
- 24:04Speaker 10: You know, you talk about just redefining the interior defensive
- 24:08Speaker 10: line position from a skill set standpoint. From above the
- 24:13Speaker 10: next standpoint, I talk to guys all the time. You
- 24:16Speaker 10: know that they want to talk about his athleticism and
- 24:19Speaker 10: the way that he rushed the passer. But this guy's
- 24:22Speaker 10: above the neck approach to the game was just of
- 24:25Speaker 10: an elite, you know player, and that's why he was
- 24:28Speaker 10: able to do so much on the on the football field.
- 24:32Speaker 10: He understands what's happening prior to the ball being snapped.
- 24:35Speaker 10: He understands blocking schemes. He's very aware to know that
- 24:39Speaker 10: he dictates the protection and that there's gonna be so
- 24:43Speaker 10: much attention dedicated to him, and so how can we
- 24:47Speaker 10: find ways to to to get free and and so
- 24:51Speaker 10: it was a challenge for myself as a coach, which
- 24:53Speaker 10: made me better and so I'm grateful for that.
- 24:56Speaker 3: Uh.
- 24:56Speaker 10: And it was a challenge to him weekend and week
- 24:58Speaker 10: out seeing protections that you just don't see. You know,
- 25:02Speaker 10: you can't scout for him because they don't necessarily show
- 25:05Speaker 10: that prior to playing us. So we have to anticipate
- 25:08Speaker 10: those things week in and week out.
- 25:11Speaker 9: And that's where we both got better.
- 25:12Speaker 10: When you talk about this guy what he dictates, and
- 25:15Speaker 10: then myself as a coach having to to figure out
- 25:19Speaker 10: ways to help them.
- 25:20Speaker 2: Okay, Eric, right, let's since you got us in his pocket.
- 25:23Speaker 2: When you guys played the Eagles early last season, Jason
- 25:27Speaker 2: Kelsey told me postgame, because I was like you, you
- 25:29Speaker 2: were asked to do something I've never seen before out
- 25:32Speaker 2: of the center, and that was to basically track Aaron
- 25:36Speaker 2: Donald regardless if right or left side of wherever he aligned.
- 25:40Speaker 2: You can make sure you had a constant double team
- 25:42Speaker 2: on him. He said he'd never done that before in
- 25:44Speaker 2: his career. What was that game like seeing what the
- 25:48Speaker 2: Eagles designed to stop one player.
- 25:51Speaker 9: In particular, no doubt.
- 25:52Speaker 10: First of all, you credit the Egles in terms of
- 25:55Speaker 10: what they were able to do, and when you have
- 25:57Speaker 10: a veteran offensive line like the guys that those those
- 26:00Speaker 10: guys are, it allowed them to be able to do that.
- 26:03Speaker 10: And then when you talk about Kelsey, who's one of
- 26:05Speaker 10: the best at the position to ever play the play
- 26:08Speaker 10: the game as well, uh being able to do something
- 26:12Speaker 10: I had never seen before in my life. And I
- 26:14Speaker 10: don't think you I've ever seen it after us and
- 26:17Speaker 10: I haven't seen them they take that protection prior to
- 26:20Speaker 10: playing us. And so again, when you talk about the
- 26:24Speaker 10: greatest to ever play the game, it's smart. It was
- 26:27Speaker 10: they were able to get it done, but it also
- 26:29Speaker 10: challenged our unit up front, you know when you talk
- 26:32Speaker 10: about the young guys that we had and have, and
- 26:35Speaker 10: so we're able to go into the meetings after that
- 26:38Speaker 10: game as to you know, show these guys how disrespectful
- 26:43Speaker 10: it was when you talk about them dedicating this much
- 26:46Speaker 10: attention to Aaron Donald. We have to get better, guys,
- 26:50Speaker 10: We have to get better around him, and we cannot
- 26:53Speaker 10: allow teams to be able to do that. And uh,
- 26:56Speaker 10: and even with the type of players that they have,
- 26:58Speaker 10: and you talk about the Lame John and you know,
- 27:01Speaker 10: all those guys that were just some really good football players.
- 27:03Speaker 9: I don't feel like they had to do that, but
- 27:06Speaker 9: they did.
- 27:07Speaker 10: And they had some success doing that against us, and
- 27:09Speaker 10: so credit to those guys. And uh, but we were
- 27:12Speaker 10: able to get get some pressure on the quarterback as well,
- 27:15Speaker 10: but obviously that quarterback made some plays and so they
- 27:18Speaker 10: had they did a good job that week.
- 27:21Speaker 5: Eric, I'm curious.
- 27:23Speaker 1: Our good buddy, Albert Breyer, who writes for Sports Illustrated,
- 27:26Speaker 1: came out this morning with an article about Aaron and
- 27:29Speaker 1: talked to Jeff Fisher, and Jeff Fisher kind of said,
- 27:32Speaker 1: we saw offensive coordinators almost have two call sheets one
- 27:35Speaker 1: when Aaron was in the game, and then plays that
- 27:37Speaker 1: they would call when Aaron was taking a break. Did
- 27:39Speaker 1: you see that during your time with Aaron that actually
- 27:42Speaker 1: there were plays were kept on the shelf while he
- 27:45Speaker 1: was in the game.
- 27:47Speaker 9: It's so funny.
- 27:48Speaker 10: I mean, me and me and a d would be
- 27:50Speaker 10: on the sideline and I'm like, he's like, coach, I just.
- 27:52Speaker 9: Give me two Like fuck, you know, god, dang it, bro,
- 27:55Speaker 9: Like you know you did, hurry up. And then I'm like,
- 27:58Speaker 9: they're about to take a shot right now.
- 27:59Speaker 10: So we left and you know, we already know he's
- 28:02Speaker 10: on the sideline, and I mean that's when they taken
- 28:04Speaker 10: shots because they feels like they can get the ball
- 28:06Speaker 10: down the field at that time, because they feel like
- 28:09Speaker 10: they'll they'll they'll have more time to to uh to
- 28:12Speaker 10: design those those routes that can get down the field.
- 28:15Speaker 10: And so like we newted all of those things. So
- 28:17Speaker 10: we had different calls as well. You know, we were
- 28:20Speaker 10: we were playing accordingly as well, understanding what those situations were.
- 28:25Speaker 10: Knowing and that's why they never really hurt us because
- 28:27Speaker 10: we we understood those things. And so it's it's awesome.
- 28:31Speaker 10: It was it helped us stay ahead of on the
- 28:34Speaker 10: call sheet as well, because we can uh plan the
- 28:38Speaker 10: right way and so but it was just it was
- 28:41Speaker 10: just different. And you know, and there will never be
- 28:44Speaker 10: a guy that again that can change the game like that.
- 28:47Speaker 9: I don't think, you know, he's special.
- 28:50Speaker 10: He's special in his own right and uh and I
- 28:53Speaker 10: love him to death, man, And you know, I'm so
- 28:56Speaker 10: happy for him, excited for him, for his family.
- 28:59Speaker 9: You know, I can't say enough great things about this guy.
- 29:04Speaker 3: So Eric, and saying all of that, what's left?
- 29:07Speaker 2: I mean, like, okay, so with the RAMS thinking, you
- 29:10Speaker 2: don't have to assar to be specific about what could
- 29:12Speaker 2: happen because you can't replace Aaron Donald. But how does
- 29:15Speaker 2: the team now compensate for losing somebody who caused other
- 29:20Speaker 2: teams to game plan for a specific player who was
- 29:22Speaker 2: absolutely disruptive even when they did, Like, how do you
- 29:25Speaker 2: compensate that?
- 29:26Speaker 5: Steve?
- 29:27Speaker 7: Right?
- 29:27Speaker 10: The good thing is that I think that Sean's gonna
- 29:30Speaker 10: do it, and let's need to do a tremendous job
- 29:33Speaker 10: of getting the right guys in there that will be
- 29:36Speaker 10: able to help the defense out. You know, I think
- 29:39Speaker 10: obviously you can't ever replace a guy like Aaron Donald,
- 29:42Speaker 10: but you can get a couple of players that can
- 29:45Speaker 10: help at least get some pressure on the quarterback, you know,
- 29:49Speaker 10: do some things in the run game if you strategically
- 29:51Speaker 10: get the right kind of guys in there. And you know,
- 29:54Speaker 10: Chris Shu is gonna do a great job in terms
- 29:56Speaker 10: of calling the defense. I'm very confident in that I's
- 29:59Speaker 10: got some great coaches over there with him. Now, Gifts
- 30:01Speaker 10: Med you know, all be pleasant and uh, you know,
- 30:06Speaker 10: Joe and Ac like those guys will do a really
- 30:08Speaker 10: good job on that defensive staff and uh, and they'll
- 30:10Speaker 10: put the guys in position to have success. Not to mention,
- 30:13Speaker 10: you got the younger guys that are the Kobe Turners
- 30:16Speaker 10: and the Byron you know young those guys will continue
- 30:19Speaker 10: to get better as well.
- 30:20Speaker 9: Uh, but there's no way you can replace a d.
- 30:23Speaker 10: You can't even go into a situation thinking that you
- 30:25Speaker 10: even have that type of success. You just have to,
- 30:28Speaker 10: you know, get the guys, continue to get the guys better,
- 30:32Speaker 10: and and and hope it you know, it helps out,
- 30:35Speaker 10: it works itself out, and I'm sure it will will
- 30:37Speaker 10: you know it's gonna be different, but you know it'll
- 30:41Speaker 10: be It'll be fine.
- 30:44Speaker 1: Well as they're trying to rebuild what they do up
- 30:46Speaker 1: front Erica and this is draft time. And I go
- 30:49Speaker 1: back to what everybody was saying about Aaron Donald when
- 30:51Speaker 1: he was coming out during this time period. It was,
- 30:54Speaker 1: you know, the arms aren't long enough, he's not tall enough.
- 30:57Speaker 1: I'm curious if if the build that had it's kind
- 31:00Speaker 1: of similar to what you had when you were playing
- 31:02Speaker 1: in the league, Like, was that to his advantage? Do
- 31:05Speaker 1: you think that ended up benefiting him? The build that
- 31:08Speaker 1: he had.
- 31:10Speaker 10: Of course, not only the bill, but it's the heart.
- 31:13Speaker 10: It's the heart, it's the above the neck approach, is
- 31:16Speaker 10: understanding to the game. He's a physical football player, and
- 31:20Speaker 10: he's got the athletic ability to do things that certain
- 31:23Speaker 10: guys that may have a build can't do. And so
- 31:26Speaker 10: at the end of the day, you know, when you
- 31:28Speaker 10: have all of those things, you understand the game. You're athletic,
- 31:32Speaker 10: you're strong, you're powerful, you're physical. Like that's maybe sometimes
- 31:38Speaker 10: better than a guy that's just that has measurables and
- 31:41Speaker 10: can't do nearly the you know the amount of things
- 31:43Speaker 10: that he can do on a football field, and that's
- 31:45Speaker 10: why he has success so many times. Some of these
- 31:48Speaker 10: teams and some of these people whoever right, get into
- 31:52Speaker 10: the measurables and they overlook the football player. And sometimes
- 31:56Speaker 10: that's why you see the Kobe Turners have success in
- 31:59Speaker 10: the Byron Young, in the Aaron Donalds, because these guys
- 32:02Speaker 10: are football players. They're physical, they play the game the
- 32:05Speaker 10: right way, they're smart, they play with effort. Like if
- 32:08Speaker 10: you can't coach that up, then that's a problem. And
- 32:11Speaker 10: so like those are the type of guys that you
- 32:13Speaker 10: want to have on your defensive line. If you can
- 32:16Speaker 10: build it with those guys, and then when you get
- 32:19Speaker 10: some of the guys that do have the measurables, that's
- 32:21Speaker 10: a plus. But you don't just overlook some of those
- 32:23Speaker 10: guys that have some of those intangibles just because there
- 32:26Speaker 10: are six to one, don't have the loan longest arms
- 32:30Speaker 10: and all of that. I embraced that, you know, as
- 32:32Speaker 10: a coach, and I'm so those guys took that as
- 32:34Speaker 10: chips on their shoulders as well. And like you mentioned,
- 32:37Speaker 10: you know, I was one of those guys that was
- 32:39Speaker 10: talked about like that. So having that passion and coaching
- 32:43Speaker 10: guys that were similar in a sense, you know, we're
- 32:47Speaker 10: all in it together, and it's like we're you know,
- 32:50Speaker 10: we all feel like we got our back against the wall.
- 32:52Speaker 10: And that was kind of like the motto if you
- 32:55Speaker 10: will with that group there, you know, so fun.
- 32:58Speaker 3: Eric, real quick, we only got about thirty seconds here.
- 33:01Speaker 2: You created You created a little something on Twitter the
- 33:04Speaker 2: other day when you kind of hinted that d maybe
- 33:07Speaker 2: join you at USC fight on what is the deal?
- 33:11Speaker 3: Is Ad coming to join you? Is he coming to
- 33:14Speaker 3: join your baby?
- 33:16Speaker 10: You know what I what I will say is this
- 33:18Speaker 10: is that uh you know, right now, this is about
- 33:20Speaker 10: you know, a d and joined his family. Definitely want
- 33:23Speaker 10: to give him that that respect and and and and
- 33:26Speaker 10: let him do his thing.
- 33:27Speaker 9: He deserves it, had a wonderful football career.
- 33:30Speaker 10: Uh, you know, would love to have him should he
- 33:33Speaker 10: decide to make that type of decision. But that's not
- 33:36Speaker 10: something that I don't think is in his uh you know,
- 33:39Speaker 10: he's he's gonna do right now. He's gonna enjoy his
- 33:41Speaker 10: time with his family, which he deserves, and and we'll
- 33:44Speaker 10: see what happens from that standpoint.
- 33:46Speaker 9: But of course, you know, you love to have him here,
- 33:49Speaker 9: you know, if that works out.
- 33:50Speaker 2: So I'm sure you could convince and make a guest
- 33:52Speaker 2: appearance Hey, Eric, cannot thank you enough for joining us.
- 33:56Speaker 7: Man.
- 33:56Speaker 2: This is awesome, insight, It's one of the greatest players
- 33:59Speaker 2: JP and I will be sitting close to you five
- 34:01Speaker 2: years from now in Canton, Ohio.
- 34:03Speaker 3: When Ad is putting on that gold jacket. Thanks so
- 34:06Speaker 3: much for joining this coach.
- 34:07Speaker 10: Thank you guys for having me really appreciate this is awesome.
- 34:11Speaker 10: Anything for a d I love him, you know, and
- 34:14Speaker 10: I'm looking forward to to watching what's to happen next.
- 34:17Speaker 2: All right, fight on, all right on the ENDFL Report,
- 34:22Speaker 2: Justin Fields he is now a Pittsburgh Steeler. We're gonna
- 34:26Speaker 2: have a lot more conversation on that, and we're back
- 34:29Speaker 2: after the break all the.
- 34:30Speaker 5: Tape, Elsie, Welcome back to the NFL Report.
- 34:43Speaker 1: James Palmer, Steve Whitch with you, joined by NFL Network
- 34:46Speaker 1: insider Tom Pelasero and Tom. We started the show talking
- 34:51Speaker 1: about Justin Fields and the battle that he's going to
- 34:53Speaker 1: go through, because I still think it's a battle with
- 34:55Speaker 1: Russell Wilson throughout this offseason to see who's going to
- 34:57Speaker 1: be the quarterback in Pittsburgh. But he gets for a
- 35:00Speaker 1: sixth round pick next year that can become a fourth
- 35:02Speaker 1: round pick due to playing time, What was the market
- 35:06Speaker 1: and how did this fall? Because during free agency you
- 35:08Speaker 1: were on the phone constantly. Was this played correctly in
- 35:11Speaker 1: your mind by the Bears? And did they ever think
- 35:14Speaker 1: holding on to him was a realistic option for them?
- 35:18Speaker 1: They kind of waiting teams out maybe if that was
- 35:21Speaker 1: also in play.
- 35:22Speaker 11: I think he had a couple of different things going
- 35:24Speaker 11: on here, James One. You know, in the mind of
- 35:26Speaker 11: gms around the league, the market or backup quarterbacks got
- 35:31Speaker 11: set because there were a lot of different trades where
- 35:34Speaker 11: they were pick flops, where they were a straight sixth
- 35:36Speaker 11: round pick like the mac Jones one. They all kind
- 35:38Speaker 11: of added up to the Day three type of a selection.
- 35:41Speaker 11: Then also all the starting jobs and all the chances
- 35:45Speaker 11: to really compete in other places got filled. Nobody's given
- 35:49Speaker 11: up a second round draft pick or a backup quarterback.
- 35:53Speaker 11: It's just not going to happen, And so were the Bears.
- 35:55Speaker 11: Their options were, as you mentioned, either wait it out
- 35:59Speaker 11: and hold on just fields and see what develops and
- 36:01Speaker 11: see if anybody gets hurt and potentially have help the
- 36:05Speaker 11: dynamic in training camp of the guy who's been the
- 36:08Speaker 11: starter there with a likely new starter with the number
- 36:11Speaker 11: one overall draft pick. The Bears ultimately decided that they
- 36:15Speaker 11: weren't going to go through that entire situation. We know
- 36:17Speaker 11: that Caleb Williams has his Pro Day this week. The
- 36:20Speaker 11: Bears are going to continue to zero in on exactly
- 36:24Speaker 11: what they're doing in number one. Overall. I've said many
- 36:26Speaker 11: times I believe, including on this show, and everything the
- 36:29Speaker 11: Bears have done through this entire offseason, going all the
- 36:31Speaker 11: way back to the offensive coordinator change, pointed toward them
- 36:35Speaker 11: making a change of quarterback and taking Caleb Williams number one.
- 36:37Speaker 3: Overall.
- 36:38Speaker 11: It makes too much sense from a financial perspective. You
- 36:40Speaker 11: reset the clock on your quarterback, as opposed to Justin Fields,
- 36:44Speaker 11: who's going into year four. You're going to have to
- 36:46Speaker 11: pay him eventually, you have a decision to make on
- 36:49Speaker 11: his option and all those sorts of things. They brought
- 36:52Speaker 11: in a coach who is a good fit with the
- 36:54Speaker 11: style of play that Caleb Williams would fit into. And
- 36:58Speaker 11: in reality, as much as there's been debate about is
- 37:00Speaker 11: this polarizing Fields versus Caleb, it's really not in the
- 37:04Speaker 11: mind of evaluators here. So for Justin Fields, we know
- 37:07Speaker 11: how dynamic he can be with the football in his hands.
- 37:11Speaker 11: He doesn't always play on time, he doesn't always get
- 37:14Speaker 11: the ball out in rhythm. If you're going to play
- 37:16Speaker 11: the style of offense the Bears want to, you want
- 37:19Speaker 11: somebody who maybe plays a little bit more like that.
- 37:21Speaker 11: And so now he joins Russell Wilson in Pittsburgh where
- 37:25Speaker 11: Russell Wilson's another guy who's never really in his career
- 37:27Speaker 11: played on schedule. He's always been about creating outside the pocket.
- 37:31Speaker 11: It's you're going to build a style of offense that
- 37:34Speaker 11: fits Russ. They made abundantly clear to Russell Wilson, you
- 37:38Speaker 11: are the starter. Even after the Justin Fields trade here,
- 37:40Speaker 11: I would anticipate Arthur Smith coming up with a lot
- 37:43Speaker 11: of different things to account for the way that those
- 37:46Speaker 11: guys play the quarterback position.
- 37:48Speaker 5: Here.
- 37:48Speaker 11: They're going to run the football a ton. I mean,
- 37:50Speaker 11: that's the other thing with the Steelers offseason is go
- 37:53Speaker 11: through a look between trade away Deontay Johnson, they cut
- 37:56Speaker 11: Alan Robinson. They do have George Pickens, who's gonna be
- 37:59Speaker 11: a high volume but there may not be a lot
- 38:01Speaker 11: of footballs to go around here.
- 38:02Speaker 3: Either way.
- 38:03Speaker 11: They're going to run the heck out of the football
- 38:05Speaker 11: and having guys like Russell Wilson, even though it was
- 38:07Speaker 11: he is as elusive as quick as he once was.
- 38:10Speaker 11: Probably not justin fields is it'd be interesting to see
- 38:13Speaker 11: how they potentially use both those guys as the season
- 38:16Speaker 11: goes on. But for Fields in the end, market really
- 38:20Speaker 11: dictated what they could get for me. You either could
- 38:22Speaker 11: place that gamble hold onto the guy, see what happens
- 38:25Speaker 11: down the line and all the things that come with it,
- 38:27Speaker 11: or you make the move right now they up into
- 38:30Speaker 11: the ladder.
- 38:30Speaker 2: Yeah, I think all those would agree that they couldn't
- 38:32Speaker 2: have him the Caleb Williams in the building.
- 38:33Speaker 3: That's just an awkward dynamic.
- 38:35Speaker 2: There's two potentially young star quarterbacks being in that locker
- 38:38Speaker 2: room together. Now, let's go to the other trickle down
- 38:41Speaker 2: through the Steelers zone. That's Kenny Pickett getting traded to
- 38:44Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles in that match right there.
- 38:48Speaker 11: Well, with Kenny Pickett, this was really unusual just the
- 38:51Speaker 11: way that the entire past couple of months played out
- 38:54Speaker 11: because from what my understanding and going into free agency,
- 38:58Speaker 11: going through January and February, the Steelers' mentality was, let's
- 39:02Speaker 11: give Kenny Pickett a real chance with a different OC
- 39:06Speaker 11: and see what he can do, and that's not at
- 39:08Speaker 11: all a shot at Mac Canada. It's the reality that
- 39:11Speaker 11: that offense was not as productive as anybody would have
- 39:13Speaker 11: wanted with Hendy Pickett at quarterback. He had a lot
- 39:16Speaker 11: of injuries during the course of that time. That's the
- 39:18Speaker 11: biggest story of Kenny Pickett's career at this point is
- 39:20Speaker 11: even when he's played good football, he hasn't been able
- 39:23Speaker 11: to stay on the field, whether it's because of concussions,
- 39:25Speaker 11: an ankle, or other types of ailments here. So, when
- 39:29Speaker 11: the Russell Wilson opportunity began to come and focus, I
- 39:33Speaker 11: was told that there were two primary advocates for bringing
- 39:36Speaker 11: in Russell Wilson. One of them was Cam Hayward, who
- 39:38Speaker 11: was the longtime team captain. Like Russell Wilson, he's a
- 39:42Speaker 11: Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year Award winner. Cam
- 39:45Speaker 11: Hayward was pushing let's bring in Russ. The other one
- 39:48Speaker 11: was Mike Tomlin. Mike Comlin kept forcing the issue and
- 39:51Speaker 11: pushing for hey, we can get Russell Wilson at the minimum,
- 39:55Speaker 11: it makes perfect sense for where we're at. Let's bring
- 39:58Speaker 11: him in here and have him be a part of
- 40:01Speaker 11: the roster. So with Kenny Pickett. The way that I
- 40:04Speaker 11: understand this played out was Mike Tomlin and Kenny Pickett
- 40:07Speaker 11: had obviously been communicating through the process. Tomlin had told Picket, hey,
- 40:11Speaker 11: no matter what happens here, you're going to get a
- 40:14Speaker 11: chance to compete. So on that Sunday night, Kenny Pickett,
- 40:18Speaker 11: like a lot of other people, learn on social media
- 40:20Speaker 11: since Russell Wilson insisted on breaking it himself. In a
- 40:23Speaker 11: hype video on Instagram, it learns that Russell Wilson is
- 40:26Speaker 11: going to Pittsburgh. Pickett then talks the next morning to
- 40:29Speaker 11: Mike Tomlin and rather being told hey, open competition, he's
- 40:32Speaker 11: told listen, Russ is in the pole position. He's going
- 40:35Speaker 11: to get the first reps. At that point, Pickett said,
- 40:38Speaker 11: well then I want a fresh start. The Steelers, in
- 40:41Speaker 11: pretty rapid form accommodated that they move on from him.
- 40:45Speaker 11: That then opened up the spot for Justin Fields. As
- 40:47Speaker 11: for Kenny Pickett, you know, he was the first quarterback
- 40:50Speaker 11: taken in a quarterback draft that at this point does
- 40:54Speaker 11: not look great. And I think that you knew that
- 40:56Speaker 11: based on how things played out devolved. Blink Willis's currently
- 40:59Speaker 11: third in Tennessee. Sam Howell, who was a fifth round
- 41:03Speaker 11: pick in that draft was in. There has been Rider
- 41:05Speaker 11: who just got traded to Arizona as well. With Pickett, again,
- 41:09Speaker 11: there's something there with him. He's not the biggest guy,
- 41:11Speaker 11: he doesn't have the biggest starm, but he played a
- 41:13Speaker 11: ton of football in college. His issue is being he
- 41:16Speaker 11: can't stay on the field. When you're a young quarterback
- 41:18Speaker 11: who keeps getting hurt, it's hard to kind of build
- 41:20Speaker 11: that momentum.
- 41:21Speaker 3: And get better.
- 41:22Speaker 5: Tom. I love that you avoided saying he had small hands.
- 41:24Speaker 1: Nice work to avoid that aspect of Kenny Pickett that
- 41:27Speaker 1: everybody loves to scrutinize over and over again. And listen,
- 41:30Speaker 1: when you lose your job to Mason Rudolph and a
- 41:32Speaker 1: super Bowl winning quarterback comes into camp, that's a veteran
- 41:35Speaker 1: like Russell Wilson, you would just assume he's probably going
- 41:38Speaker 1: to get the first crack at first team reps in
- 41:41Speaker 1: the spring.
- 41:41Speaker 5: It just kind of always usually falls that way around
- 41:44Speaker 5: the league.
- 41:44Speaker 1: How about another trade, but this one involving picks the
- 41:48Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings. As you sit in that great state right there,
- 41:51Speaker 1: Tom acquire another first round pick from the Houston Texans.
- 41:55Speaker 1: Are we all just assuming this is to get ammunition
- 41:58Speaker 1: for a quarterback, or can we just say yes, this
- 42:02Speaker 1: is ammunition for a quarterback.
- 42:05Speaker 11: Well, as soon as Ian and I found out and
- 42:06Speaker 11: broke that story on Friday morning, the moment that I
- 42:09Speaker 11: saw what it was, all I was thinking was, this
- 42:11Speaker 11: is the Eagles going up for Carson Wentz all over again,
- 42:14Speaker 11: and so you have to make one jump up and
- 42:16Speaker 11: then potentially make another jump up to get that ammunition.
- 42:19Speaker 11: So they now own the number eleven pick and the
- 42:21Speaker 11: number twenty three pick, depending what chart you're going off of,
- 42:25Speaker 11: that could potentially be enough to get close to the
- 42:28Speaker 11: top three, but you would need somebody else to want
- 42:31Speaker 11: to move, and you might need to outbid somebody else
- 42:33Speaker 11: who's also trying to get that high up in the
- 42:36Speaker 11: draft here. So you know, really at number one with Chicago,
- 42:39Speaker 11: especially after the Justin Fields trade, the assumption within the
- 42:42Speaker 11: league all along, but especially now is the bear stampat
- 42:45Speaker 11: they probably take Caleb Williams. Number two then is where
- 42:48Speaker 11: the draft really begins with the Washington Commanders. And I
- 42:50Speaker 11: think that anybody who says they know for sure what
- 42:52Speaker 11: the commanders are going to do is probably lying to you,
- 42:55Speaker 11: because they haven't really other than obviously going through the
- 42:58Speaker 11: process and sitting down with all the quarterbacks at the combine.
- 43:01Speaker 11: Josh Harris, who is the owner, is in those meetings.
- 43:04Speaker 11: Bob Myers, the former NBA general manager, who seems to
- 43:08Speaker 11: have his finger on everything that they're doing in the
- 43:11Speaker 11: football operation right now, he's a part of those meetings
- 43:14Speaker 11: as well. They're obviously doing their due diligence on those guys,
- 43:17Speaker 11: But to say that it's Drake May another North Carolina
- 43:20Speaker 11: quarterback a couple of years after they took Sam out,
- 43:22Speaker 11: where there could be Jayden Daniels. All that's kind of
- 43:25Speaker 11: uncertain here, And because number two is uncertain, that also
- 43:28Speaker 11: generates some uncertainty around number three, where the Patriots have
- 43:31Speaker 11: an obvious quarterback need, but they have to see exactly
- 43:35Speaker 11: how those first two paints fall. So there's a lot
- 43:37Speaker 11: of different things that could play out here in the
- 43:40Speaker 11: coming weeks. With Quasia Dofo Mensa, who's always they get
- 43:43Speaker 11: ahead on these things and strategizing, and he's got a
- 43:46Speaker 11: lot of deals that involved pick flops and future picks
- 43:49Speaker 11: and current picks, and he did that here. He gave
- 43:51Speaker 11: up a second round pick next year and this year's
- 43:53Speaker 11: second round pick to get that number twenty three overall pick.
- 43:57Speaker 11: Could they stand pat at eleven and twenty three and
- 43:59Speaker 11: take two really good players, Jared, That's certainly a possibility here,
- 44:03Speaker 11: But I think it's also an acknowledgment at minimum that
- 44:06Speaker 11: we're getting even those top three quarterbacks. If you're talking
- 44:09Speaker 11: about let's say the fourth quarterback, right, it's JJ McCarthy.
- 44:12Speaker 11: That guy might not be there at number eleven either,
- 44:14Speaker 11: So we at least want to have the flexibility to
- 44:17Speaker 11: move up. You do that by making an early trade. That,
- 44:20Speaker 11: by the way, we allows Nick Casario to do with
- 44:23Speaker 11: Bill Belichick and Nick and everybody did in New England
- 44:25Speaker 11: for years, which is stock buy all those second round
- 44:28Speaker 11: picks right.
- 44:30Speaker 2: Back, Hey, Tom, And this is just me, I mean,
- 44:32Speaker 2: just a radar kind of going off a little bit.
- 44:35Speaker 2: The Cleveland Browns, they've got dtr and the roster they
- 44:39Speaker 2: add Jamis and now they just signed Snoop Huntley. Right,
- 44:42Speaker 2: They've got three quarterbacks from four quarterbacks who've actually started
- 44:45Speaker 2: games now on that roster. Are we sure that Deshaun
- 44:48Speaker 2: Watson is on schedule to return medically? I mean, just
- 44:52Speaker 2: seeing all these quarterbacks being added, all of a sudden.
- 44:55Speaker 2: Is this one of those things that to all of
- 44:57Speaker 2: us journalists that kind of set off a little bit
- 44:58Speaker 2: of a maybe a bit of an alarm, if you
- 45:01Speaker 2: want to call it an alarm.
- 45:01Speaker 3: I don't think it's that. But why are they all
- 45:04Speaker 3: of a sudden signing all these guys?
- 45:06Speaker 11: Well, it needed four starting quarterbacks to get through last season,
- 45:08Speaker 11: Steep Andrew Barrys having an acknowledgement today, you can't have
- 45:12Speaker 11: enough guys on the roster, enough guys to know the
- 45:18Speaker 11: former Pro Bowl quarterback Snoop Untley, by the way he
- 45:22Speaker 11: was sitting out there, haven't seen his deal yet to
- 45:24Speaker 11: imagine it's a minimum type of a deal to bring
- 45:27Speaker 11: him in with DTR. He saw the good and the
- 45:29Speaker 11: bad oft DTR. I mean, there's reasons that they went
- 45:31Speaker 11: and got Joe Flacco and they didn't stick to DTR.
- 45:34Speaker 3: I was at his first win in Cleveland.
- 45:36Speaker 11: You know, he made a couple of plays, but he
- 45:38Speaker 11: missed a lot of throws in that game as well,
- 45:40Speaker 11: So you know he's a developmental type of a guy. There. Again,
- 45:45Speaker 11: it took a lot of quarterbacks to get through last season.
- 45:47Speaker 11: Sean Watson, everything I've heard is that everything is on
- 45:50Speaker 11: schedule in terms of his recovery, He's battle a lot
- 45:53Speaker 11: of injuries. You know, he's been beat up. He was
- 45:55Speaker 11: beat up last season. That wasn't the only injury that
- 45:57Speaker 11: he had here, So being able to have a dish
- 46:00Speaker 11: guys in you're gonna bring four quarterbacks to camp anyway,
- 46:03Speaker 11: and based on the Browns recent history here, why not
- 46:05Speaker 11: have it be four guys who all have starting experience.
- 46:09Speaker 11: In the event that something happens and you end up
- 46:12Speaker 11: meeting more than one.
- 46:13Speaker 1: There you go, all right, Hey, Tom speaking home of
- 46:15Speaker 1: the Marrier, Tom, when amboad to hear from the insiders again,
- 46:20Speaker 1: boy be.
- 46:20Speaker 11: Sources say we'll be back Monday and Tuesday one pm
- 46:26Speaker 11: Eastern time. I believe that's right. That's what says on
- 46:28Speaker 11: the screen live from the NFL meetings in Orlando, Florida.
- 46:32Speaker 11: So we'll have we'll talk to head coaches, GMS. I'm
- 46:35Speaker 11: sure some owners will stop by the set as well.
- 46:38Speaker 11: Me Ian Round, Poor Mike Grifolo, Judy Bautista live and
- 46:41Speaker 11: on the scene. There's always a lot of news that
- 46:43Speaker 11: happens at the time of year. There's gonna be rule
- 46:46Speaker 11: Chamber us, some pretty big ones like Kickoff that are
- 46:48Speaker 11: gonna get discussed there as well, So we'll be breaking
- 46:50Speaker 11: it all down. We'll be wearing sunblock, We'll be having
- 46:54Speaker 11: a good time out there, slowly melting in our suits. Orlando, Florida,
- 46:57Speaker 11: can't wait the insiders back then.
- 46:59Speaker 3: Hey, Tom, I'll also be there.
- 47:00Speaker 2: You know, if I can get a ride on the
- 47:02Speaker 2: set to to maybe make an appearance, you know that
- 47:04Speaker 2: that'd be awesome. So I will see you down at
- 47:07Speaker 2: Orlando on There we go, Hey, there we go.
- 47:11Speaker 3: Let's do it.
- 47:11Speaker 2: And when we come back from the break, what are
- 47:14Speaker 2: some teams we haven't really been talking about that maybe
- 47:16Speaker 2: have made some subtle moves that could help New York
- 47:19Speaker 2: Jets be part of that with with without Aaron Rodgers, JP,
- 47:24Speaker 2: we come back on the NFL report, We're gonna wrap
- 47:26Speaker 2: things up with some things that will make you go, hmmm,
- 47:41Speaker 2: are we here.
- 47:41Speaker 3: To close out the NFL orports Eve Whites and James
- 47:44Speaker 3: Palmer and JP.
- 47:45Speaker 2: You know, during all this free agency and all this
- 47:46Speaker 2: offseason action, one that it's quietly gone under the radar
- 47:49Speaker 2: is that Jets have brought in Hyron Smith and tackle
- 47:53Speaker 2: Morgan Moses to help out Aaron Rodgers. I think they
- 47:56Speaker 2: quietly have positioned themselves to be better. But what about
- 47:59Speaker 2: another team of the AFC that might be leaving their
- 48:02Speaker 2: quarterback hanging Based on some of the free agent activity.
- 48:06Speaker 1: And watching the Charger Steve with these four players that
- 48:09Speaker 1: were all massive cap hits. Joey Bosa ends up restructuring,
- 48:12Speaker 1: Khalil mackrestructures, they stay. Both receivers are gone in Mike
- 48:16Speaker 1: Williams and Keenan Allen. Now it's Quentin Jefferson. I think
- 48:20Speaker 1: Johnston and Joshua Palmer no relation. But I do love
- 48:23Speaker 1: where they sit in the draft, Steve sitting there at five.
- 48:27Speaker 1: If something happens and Tom was breaking this down to
- 48:29Speaker 1: us with picks three and four ahead of them, possibly
- 48:32Speaker 1: and there's some quarterback shuffling or needs, they can either
- 48:35Speaker 1: get the best receiver in the draft. They can have
- 48:37Speaker 1: a needy position at five and trade back and still
- 48:40Speaker 1: get a receiver and maybe get more assets. But I
- 48:42Speaker 1: think it's been interesting to see how the Chargers have
- 48:45Speaker 1: found their way, and I don't think they're done. I
- 48:47Speaker 1: think they're a main reason why we continue to evaluate
- 48:50Speaker 1: this process as the offseason goes on, because there's a
- 48:53Speaker 1: shock right now. But let's just see how it plays out.
- 48:56Speaker 3: Very good point. Don't forget to check out the NFL Thursday.
- 49:01Speaker 3: We've got a big show coming right here. We've got people.
- 49:04Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking a lot more draft with those
- 49:06Speaker 2: two handsome.
- 49:07Speaker 3: Guys, Nave Falmer t Whites to be with you.
- 49:09Speaker 2: We are also a podcast, JP great show. Want to
- 49:12Speaker 2: think Jason Light, Eric Kennerson, Tom Pella Sero and you
- 49:16Speaker 2: the viewers.
- 49:17Speaker 3: And the listeners for checking us out.
- 49:20Speaker 5: Steve's going USC's Pro Day. He'll be there.