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William’s ultimatum to Beatrice and Eugenie: get Andrew out · The Front

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  Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
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  Speaker 1: It's Thursday October thirty, twenty twenty five. Superannuation funds could
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  Speaker 1: save the creaking aged care sector. That's the new idea
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  Speaker 1: from Aged Care Minister Sam Ray, who's told The Australian
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  Speaker 1: the government's looking at how to de risk the sector
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  Speaker 1: to make it attractive for private investors. A forty two
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  Speaker 1: year old Sydney woman has been remanded in custody and
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  Speaker 1: charged with public nuisance and other offenses after allegedly switching
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  Speaker 1: off essential medical gas supplies at two hospitals. On Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: A seventy two year old man died an hour after
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  Speaker 1: Vanessa Moulton allegedly tampered with the supply. She's told a
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  Speaker 1: local court, I didn't do it. That story's life now
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  Speaker 1: at the Australian dot Com dot a U. Catherine wants
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  Speaker 1: Andrew out of her face, and William has told his
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  Speaker 1: favorite cousins to make their father see sense. It's not
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  Speaker 1: the plot of EastEnders. It's the House of Windsor's royal
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  Speaker 1: reality soap opera Today. Why Prince William has reportedly told
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  Speaker 1: princesses Beatrice and Eugenie. Their own titles are at risk.
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  Speaker 2: This is Windsor Castle, His Royal Highness, Prince.
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  Speaker 3: Edward, at long last, I am able to say a
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  Speaker 3: few words of my own. A few hours ago I
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  Speaker 3: discharged my last duty as king and Emperor.
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  Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty six, the King Edward the eighth abdicated
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  Speaker 1: as monarch so he could marry his beloved and American
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  Speaker 1: divorcee named Wallace Simpson.
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  Speaker 3: Did I have found it impossible to carry the heavy
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  Speaker 3: burden of responsibility without the help and support of the
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  Speaker 3: woman I love?
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  Speaker 1: They were kicked out of the family and the country.
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  Speaker 4: I think he was.
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  Speaker 5: Ahead of his time. I think he had lots of
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  Speaker 5: BEP and I think he's very much ahead of his time.
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  Speaker 5: I think he wanted to establish then he said were
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  Speaker 5: a little not ready for them, really, Perhaps.
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  Speaker 1: In the nineteen nineties, Princess Diana was the outcast.
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  Speaker 6: Do you think missus Parker Balls was a factor in
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  Speaker 6: the breakdown of your marriage?
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  Speaker 2: Well, there were three of us in this marriage, so
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  Speaker 2: it was a bit crowded.
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  Speaker 1: And eight decades after Wallace Simpson, another American divorcee another
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  Speaker 1: I sing out.
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  Speaker 7: I never thought that this would be easy, but I
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  Speaker 7: thought it would be fair.
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  Speaker 8: There was a way doing things but for us, for
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  Speaker 8: this union and the specifics around her race, there was
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  Speaker 8: an opportunity, many opportunities for my family to show some
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  Speaker 8: public support.
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  Speaker 1: And now another royal couple are about to feel the
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  Speaker 1: big freeze. Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson, once the Duke
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  Speaker 1: and Duchess of York. It's now been revealed that Prince
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  Speaker 1: Andrew hosted Jeffrey Epstein, Gallaine Maxwell and Harvey Weinstein at
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  Speaker 1: Royal Lodge, the Prince's private home. Jenna Clarke is a
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  Speaker 1: culture writer with The Australian Jenna. The Royal family has
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  Speaker 1: weathered plenty of scandals. How big is this one?
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  Speaker 4: I think it's up there, Claire, with the Queens Annis horribills.
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  Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety two is not a year on which I
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  Speaker 2: shall look back with undiluted pleasure. I suspect that I'm
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  Speaker 2: not alone in thinking it so. Indeed, I suspect that
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  Speaker 2: there are very few people or institutions unaffected by these
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  Speaker 2: last months of worldwide turmoil and uncertainty.
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  Speaker 4: And now the fact that this Prince Andrew saga that
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  Speaker 4: appears to have gone on for so many years. Now,
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  Speaker 4: specifically in regards to the allegations around his relationship with
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  Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein, is going to be something that could potentially
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  Speaker 4: break the firms back, because now King Charles is being
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  Speaker 4: heckled in public.
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  Speaker 3: Learn about Andrew and.
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  Speaker 1: As the video of that heckling is very interesting, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Charles must have been able to hear what was being said,
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  Speaker 1: but he kept the stiff upper leap, ignoring it and
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  Speaker 1: shaking hands. Anyway, it started out so well for Prince Andrew.
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  Speaker 1: He was the Queen's favorite son. He was Duke of York,
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  Speaker 1: he had a bunch of other titles. He married someone
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  Speaker 1: who seemed like a lot of fun in Sarah Ferguson.
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  Speaker 6: I asked Sarah some weeks ago, and Sarah actually said, yes, surprise,
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  Speaker 6: surprise me.
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  Speaker 7: I'm a single working mom two girls, and I don't
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  Speaker 7: have a trust fund or I have to work.
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  Speaker 8: I can only use the local language. I mean, is
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  Speaker 8: there some handout from the queen?
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  Speaker 9: No?
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  Speaker 7: No, note too.
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  Speaker 1: And although they split up, they seemed to be managing
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  Speaker 1: a life together as a family with their two children,
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  Speaker 1: Beatrice and Eugeney, even as she pursued a private life.
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  Speaker 1: She gave some interviews in which she said very much
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  Speaker 1: that she didn't accept any largest from the royal family,
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  Speaker 1: that the royals didn't help her out at all, that
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  Speaker 1: she paid her own rent, and she had commercial deals
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  Speaker 1: like with weight Watches.
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  Speaker 7: Time for me to stand on my own two feet
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  Speaker 7: and not accept the kindness of her magity anymore. You know,
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  Speaker 7: I can do it now, thanks to Edward and to
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  Speaker 7: weight Watches, And I'm proud to be able to say
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  Speaker 7: that I'm able to pay a rent at the end
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  Speaker 7: of every month.
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  Speaker 1: You've met Sarah Ferguson, what was your impression of how
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  Speaker 1: independent her life actually was.
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  Speaker 4: I thought the distinct sense that she felt a sense
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  Speaker 4: of duty. She was talking to me specifically through the
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  Speaker 4: lens of ending world poverty, and she was just trying
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  Speaker 4: to engage with as many people as possible. She actually
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  Speaker 4: wanted to engage with the general public. So that's what
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  Speaker 4: really jars with me. And what also really jars with
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  Speaker 4: me is the fact that their daughters seem to be
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  Speaker 4: really adjusted, well adjusted. I mean, they get on well
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  Speaker 4: with their cousins, They pushue their own private careers, they
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  Speaker 4: do a lot of philanthropy work in private as well,
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  Speaker 4: so that's the most jarring aspect for me about this
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  Speaker 4: whole saga.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, now it's Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie who are
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  Speaker 1: right at the center of this problem. There are reports
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  Speaker 1: now that Prince William has called them aside and said, listen,
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  Speaker 1: if you don't get your father to move out of
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  Speaker 1: his royal residence, your titles are going to be at risk.
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  Speaker 1: How significant is that.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a lot, and it's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: pressure for these two young women. They're private citizens, they're
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  Speaker 4: not working royals. I mean, they do partake in the
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  Speaker 4: traditions like Christmas with a royal family and that famous
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  Speaker 4: wark that they do. But also the fact that that
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  Speaker 4: now the next generation of taking it as honor as
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  Speaker 4: their responsibility to end this saga once and for all.
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  Speaker 4: You can totally see where Prince William is coming from,
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  Speaker 4: considering all of the dramas he's had with his brother
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  Speaker 4: in the last couple of years. So I think, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's asking a lot of them. But also they're really
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  Speaker 4: royals in title only. They were born without any type
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  Speaker 4: of working royal decree and things like that. So it's
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  Speaker 4: going to be interesting to see if they can convince
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  Speaker 4: their daddy to hit the road and get out of
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  Speaker 4: the family manage. But it really does come down to
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  Speaker 4: the adults in the room, and they are these boomers,
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  Speaker 4: Bergie and Andrew. They should really just get in the
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  Speaker 4: express lane of anonymity, go and move into Frogmore cottage.
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  Speaker 4: They only really need one house and disappear until Prince
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  Speaker 4: George's coronation.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a half in, half out, very awkward situation
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  Speaker 1: for Prince Andrew ever since that catastrophic Newsnight interview where
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  Speaker 1: he kind of stumbled his way through an explanation of
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  Speaker 1: how he had managed to stay friends with Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 1: while not noticing any of the teenage prostitution and sex
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  Speaker 1: trafficking that was going on.
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  Speaker 6: I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady, none whatsoever.
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  Speaker 6: I was at home with the children. I'd taken Beatrice
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  Speaker 6: to a pizza Express in working for a party. I
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  Speaker 6: have no recollection of that photograph ever being taken.
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  Speaker 9: You think it is you next to her in the photo?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, it's definitely me.
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  Speaker 8: That's a picture of me.
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  Speaker 6: It's not a picture of I don't believe it's a
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  Speaker 6: picture of me in London because when I were going
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  Speaker 6: out to When I go out in London, I wear
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  Speaker 6: a suit and a tie. We never had any sort
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  Speaker 6: of sexual contact whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Did the Queen miss an opportunity bear Jenna when she
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  Speaker 1: kind of gave Andrew a bit of a light slap
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  Speaker 1: on the wrist but didn't fully humiliate him.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I think it's hard with the Queen because she look,
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  Speaker 4: we never knew what she was thinking that was intentional.
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  Speaker 4: And also that she's been sort of criticized in previous
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  Speaker 4: years for dragging your heels on things when it comes
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  Speaker 4: to dealing with members of her family. And the fact that,
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  Speaker 4: as you mentioned, he is considered to be Mummy's favorite
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  Speaker 4: boy probably didn't help matters. But I have full faith
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  Speaker 4: that King Charles will handle this pretty swiftly because I
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  Speaker 4: think he's surrounded by some pretty hard heads. The world
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  Speaker 4: has pivoted so much and is changing so much, specifically
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  Speaker 4: in the UK now, people are legitimately hurting and they
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  Speaker 4: have actual problems that they need to confront, and the
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  Speaker 4: Royal family that it just continually seemed to be sucking
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  Speaker 4: on the taxpayer teeth is just not going to fly
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  Speaker 4: in these mom mirrors.
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  Speaker 1: Our sister Marstead. The Times in Britain has reported that
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  Speaker 1: it's Princess Katine, the Princess of Wales, who really wants
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  Speaker 1: Andrew out of her face. The Prince of Princess of
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  Speaker 1: Wales are moving to a new property on the Royal
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  Speaker 1: estate that would bring them to within just a mile
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  Speaker 1: of where Andrew and Sarah are now living in Royal Lodge.
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  Speaker 1: What does that tell us about her?
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  Speaker 4: I have written about this extensively. I think that she
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  Speaker 4: is the be all and end all of the Royal
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  Speaker 4: family for the modern era and the modern age, because
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  Speaker 4: she actually has that real life experience.
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  Speaker 9: The challenges feacing children and the UK today can often
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  Speaker 9: feel overwhelming. Both William and I have seen that many
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  Speaker 9: young people are struggling to cope with the impact of bullying, bereavement,
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  Speaker 9: domestic violence, family break down and more.
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  Speaker 4: So, I think it will be interesting to see just
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  Speaker 4: how much soft pressure that she will apply on both
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  Speaker 4: the King and also her husband, Prince William. But we've
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  Speaker 4: sort of seen that in reports that are coming out
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  Speaker 4: now that he's already putting pressure on his cousins to
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  Speaker 4: get their dad to a hot footed and go gently
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  Speaker 4: into that quiet night.
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  Speaker 1: The palace is capable of going hard, aren't they. I
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  Speaker 1: mean they iced Parry and Meghan out pretty comprehensively.
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  Speaker 4: Definitely, so there is form and I think that they
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  Speaker 4: are definitely pulling all of the levers at their disposal.
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  Speaker 4: It should not be underestimated the fact that those reports
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  Speaker 4: that William is speaking privately to Prince Andrew's daughters are
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  Speaker 4: appearing in the BBC, which is obviously an outlet that
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  Speaker 4: is very sympathetic to the royal family. I think that
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  Speaker 4: speaks volumes. I think we're only going to see the
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  Speaker 4: faceless men and women of those communications team really ramp
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  Speaker 4: up and earn their pounds in the coming weeks.
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  Speaker 1: What would life look like do you think for Andrew
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  Speaker 1: and Sarah if Andrew has to relinquish his title of
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  Speaker 1: prince and move out of that home.
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  Speaker 4: Or I would love to bear a fly on the
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  Speaker 4: wall or a part of Megan's vegan garden that she
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  Speaker 4: installed at Frogmore Cottage, where those who are pottering around,
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  Speaker 4: puttering and tuttering to themselves about how hard done by
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  Speaker 4: they are. But look, I think the best thing that
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  Speaker 4: they could do is maybe just disappear from the public
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  Speaker 4: view and public consciousness for quite some time. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think he should be stripped of his title as prince
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  Speaker 4: because that will take a whole lot of rigmarole when
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  Speaker 4: it comes to the Constitution. And also he hasn't been
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  Speaker 4: charged with anything as well in a criminal case, so
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  Speaker 4: I think that's probably bridge too far. But it will
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  Speaker 4: be interesting to see how the politicians respond to it,
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  Speaker 4: because there is mounting pressure on MPs on all sides
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  Speaker 4: to do something about Prince Andrew as well.
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  Speaker 1: Does it tell us something about how society has changed,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the fact that Andrew's friendship with Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 1: was pretty well known. In fact, it was not a secret,
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  Speaker 1: but now it's a red line.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think considering all of the things that are
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  Speaker 4: happening around the Ebstein case, the release of files case
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  Speaker 4: and saga in the United States is probably not going
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  Speaker 4: to be going away anytime soon, much to the annoyance
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  Speaker 4: I would imagine of some very high profile politicians and
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  Speaker 4: personalities over there on that side of the pond. But
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  Speaker 4: I just think that people have completely and otherly moved
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  Speaker 4: on from the Downton Abbey era of which we all
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  Speaker 4: sort of grew up loving the royals in the eighties
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  Speaker 4: and nineties and the early aughts.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the day has dawned and the weather proves conclusively
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  Speaker 1: that God is a monarchist.
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  Speaker 3: Who could dove with my lady.
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  Speaker 4: They run the risk, not so the younger Royals of
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  Speaker 4: sounding just completely tone deaf and out of touch, which
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  Speaker 4: is exactly what Prince Andrew represents.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up, Could the vacancy at Royal Lodge create an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity for the Californian exiles to return? Do you think
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  Speaker 1: this potentially opens a door to a way back for
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  Speaker 1: Harry and Meghan. I mean, they are quite annoying, but
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  Speaker 1: they haven't hung out with Jeffrey Epstein. Look, I think
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  Speaker 1: it has.
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  Speaker 4: Meghan and Harry did leave the Royal family or didn't
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  Speaker 4: want to be working roles because they wanted to have
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  Speaker 4: the freedom to voice their opinion on a number of issues.
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  Speaker 4: Yet so many things have happened since they have left.
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  Speaker 4: They have kind of remained silent. I mean, sure they've
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  Speaker 4: delivered care packages for people impacted by fires, but they
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  Speaker 4: have not really put their head up to speak about
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  Speaker 4: such social issues, political issues, even environmental issues. They haven't
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  Speaker 4: really gone on a bender about those. So I think
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  Speaker 4: there is a pathway back because they haven't really done
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  Speaker 4: much other than make jam.
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  Speaker 1: It looks so quite good jam. To be fair, it
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  Speaker 1: does look good. Jenna Clark is a culture writer with
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  Speaker 1: The Australian. You can check out her take on that
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  Speaker 1: story right now at the Australian dot com dot a
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  Speaker 1: yu