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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, May 18 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: The fields on a group proudly presents Huddle Up with
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. J P. Shadrick, John Ojer and NFL Network
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Speaker 1: analyst and former Jaguar Buckey Brooks bring you the latest
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Speaker 1: on your jackson Ville Jaguars. Everything's got to be about
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Speaker 1: the future, has gotta be about tomorrow and bringing all
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Speaker 1: that into focus as we, you know, attacked the season.
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Speaker 1: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks starts right now. Welcome in
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Speaker 1: the Huddle Up Podcast. Today's Wednesday, May eighteen. J P.
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Speaker 1: Shadrick with the NFL Network analyst Buckey Brooks, Jaguars dot
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Speaker 1: Com senior writer John Oser. Give us a listen yes
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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. John and Bucky. Hello,
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Speaker 1: how we doing? What's up? John? How are you feeling great?
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Speaker 1: I mean, we had two days of Rookie Minicamp, which
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Speaker 1: for me, you know, it's Heaven Vacations and then Rookie
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Speaker 1: Minicamp in that order. It's heaven for him, Bucky. The
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Speaker 1: coverage was extensive, it was thorough. I could tell that
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of thought and contemplation put in that.
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Speaker 1: I love the fact that you were out there dealing
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Speaker 1: with the elements and stuff. I was able to get
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Speaker 1: pictures to back up to bring the words to life.
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Speaker 1: It was very compelling, very compelling. I felt like I
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Speaker 1: was right there. I felt like I was writing in
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Speaker 1: an O four a lot of observations. I'm not criticizing
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Speaker 1: the concept of rookie minicamp. My point on this is, however,
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Speaker 1: it's important for the people involved with it, for the
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Speaker 1: teaching that goes on, for the reality of what we do,
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Speaker 1: which is to observe. I get that Bucky's the scout
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Speaker 1: and he could probably see things that we don't see.
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Speaker 1: But for the purpose of trying to observe, you can
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Speaker 1: walk out there. You can see if they can run,
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Speaker 1: you can see if they're big, you can see if
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Speaker 1: they will strong. But a rookie man, especially in this
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Speaker 1: day and age, it's fine. You gotta be there, you
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Speaker 1: talk to them. But to think you're actually evaluating anything,
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Speaker 1: is you know, well, I mean, I would say this Bucky.
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Speaker 1: Apparently they did evaluate some things, because they signed four
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Speaker 1: tryout players from the camp over the weekends so that
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Speaker 1: means they're evaluating something, always, always evaluating. Every opportunity is
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Speaker 1: an opportunity to impress somebody. And so what I liked
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Speaker 1: about what I heard from the practices they were individual sessions,
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Speaker 1: a lot of individual work because you guys got on
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Speaker 1: me about hey, you know, we can't compete no team
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Speaker 1: or whatever. So a lot of individual drill work. You
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Speaker 1: get a chance to see you guys. You can chance
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Speaker 1: see if they move. The number one thing in rookie
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Speaker 1: minicamp you want to see if the guys belong. Does
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Speaker 1: anyone look out of place? Um? Is anything different from
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Speaker 1: what you thought they would be based on how you
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Speaker 1: evaluated them off film and the workouts? Did you put
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Speaker 1: them out there? Did they look like NFL caliber players?
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Speaker 1: If they can't look the part, that gives him a chance.
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Speaker 1: And so as long as they didn't appear to be
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Speaker 1: any egregious misses. When it came to the draftees, it's
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Speaker 1: a fairly successful in mini camp. The only news you
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Speaker 1: can get as bad news and recommending yeah we've seen that, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I've seen that again. I was really impressed with Trayvon Walker.
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Speaker 1: Oh he looks at six five to seventy two. He's
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Speaker 1: all of that. But I probably would have been impressed
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Speaker 1: had I seen him out front on the field to
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Speaker 1: be impressed. But he was really impressive on the field.
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Speaker 1: It's impressive about tray Lion. That was an unpadded practice.
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Speaker 1: When you watched him, you weren't sure because he looked
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Speaker 1: like he had on pats. He's that Yeah, he's taller
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Speaker 1: than I thought he was, Bucky. I'll be honest with you,
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't realize he was that tall. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I got a chance see some of the clips from
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Speaker 1: him going around the bags like they were doing like
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Speaker 1: a little pass rest drill and he's attacking the dummy
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Speaker 1: to dummy that has the ball kind of thing, but
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Speaker 1: the tomahawk chocking. I'm just looking at the length that
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Speaker 1: he uh that he has. And I also can understand
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Speaker 1: just in watching the movement skills, the little blurbs that
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Speaker 1: I had a chance to see, I can see why
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Speaker 1: scouts would be fascinated by him because he looks exactly
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Speaker 1: how you want him to look like. If he if
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Speaker 1: we're getting off the bus and he's the first one
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Speaker 1: off the bus, you're like, yep, that's how they're supposed
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Speaker 1: to look and so um, you know a lot of
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Speaker 1: you made about like the production and the sack production
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Speaker 1: in those things. But if he's available, if he's disruptive
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Speaker 1: and helps the defense play at a much better level
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Speaker 1: than they played in the past couple of years, look,
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Speaker 1: man would be well worth to pick. Yeah, I mean
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Speaker 1: that that makes a lot of sense. I also like
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Speaker 1: the Devin Lloyd debut this past weekend. On the field,
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Speaker 1: you you know what he is, you know his resume
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Speaker 1: at Utah, But then you get to talk to him
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Speaker 1: a little more extensively in a media session and hear
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Speaker 1: about his already working with Josh Allen and the one
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Speaker 1: smooth off to the side on his own own before
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Speaker 1: he even shows up a rookie mini camp. That that
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Speaker 1: tells you his head's in the right place. And then
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Speaker 1: you hear this guy talk and I mean he could
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Speaker 1: be John you said a few a number of times,
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Speaker 1: he can be a star in this marketplace, and then
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Speaker 1: obviously on the field too, he can do some great
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Speaker 1: I think he'd be a star in any marketplace. I
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Speaker 1: kind of went with this marketplace because he had said
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Speaker 1: duval on draft night, and that was really cool and
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Speaker 1: really fun Uh. Look, I always defer to Bucky on
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Speaker 1: this guy, because Bucky was writing about him for the
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Speaker 1: website two weeks for the draft and ranking him higher
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Speaker 1: than any other linebacker in the draft period, regardless of
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Speaker 1: edge off the ball whatever. He much like the other
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Speaker 1: four and I'm referring to four at the two round
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Speaker 1: three guys, two round one guys. Uh, very impressive people
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Speaker 1: to talk to. Uh, Trayvon Walker was impressive. I mean
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Speaker 1: he's not gonna be Devin Lloyd in terms of being
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Speaker 1: the dynamic guy that gets on stage and yells do vall.
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Speaker 1: He's not gonna probably embrace fans when he sees them.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I live in Springfield and Devin Lloyd
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Speaker 1: was over at an ice cream shop in Springfield the
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Speaker 1: other day and taking picture. I mean he's a man
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Speaker 1: of the people and and he loves that. I don't
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Speaker 1: think Traylon Walker is going to be quite that outgoing
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Speaker 1: different personality. It's okay, But to listen to all four
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Speaker 1: of these guys, Fortner, Muma, Walker and Lloyd, they're impressive kids.
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Speaker 1: And I get weary of the cliche. They love ball.
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Speaker 1: You know, you hear that all the time. Bucky loves that.
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Speaker 1: Along with Swiss Army Knife. You know that they love ball.
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Speaker 1: But these guys you can tell in their personality they
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Speaker 1: want to they want to be here, they want to
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Speaker 1: be a part of it. You can see why a
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Speaker 1: new coach, new regime would want this group as part
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Speaker 1: of their core. So on that front, you do get
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Speaker 1: a lot of work minicamp. And I like these guys
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Speaker 1: personality wise. They look like guys who if they don't succeed,
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Speaker 1: it won't be because they didn't put forth all the
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Speaker 1: effort to do it. Yeah, I think the big part
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Speaker 1: of it when you're trying to rebuild a team in
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Speaker 1: the organization, you want to make sure that you bring
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Speaker 1: the right kinds of guys. In uh, what is the
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Speaker 1: old business book, UH Good to Great, Jim Collins talks
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Speaker 1: about you got to get the who right before you
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Speaker 1: can do to what. So you got to get the
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Speaker 1: right people on the bus before you can figure out
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Speaker 1: where we're going. And so when you think about those
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Speaker 1: guys and the character, the football character that they exhibit,
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Speaker 1: and the intelligence, the toughness that you see, um, the
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Speaker 1: the kind of passion that comes out in terms of
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Speaker 1: like how much football means to them, how they prioritize it.
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Speaker 1: Those are the things that you want, and whether they
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Speaker 1: can play or not, you can feel good with the
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Speaker 1: draftic knowing that at least they've got the right kind
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Speaker 1: of guys, the kind that look it means a lot
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Speaker 1: to them. They're can pour into it. They're gonna try
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Speaker 1: and do everything in their power to kind of maximize
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Speaker 1: as their talents and if it works out, great, If
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Speaker 1: it doesn't, you can live with it because at least
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Speaker 1: you did the research. Unleash. You try to bring in
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Speaker 1: the right kinds of people into the organization, and if
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Speaker 1: you get enough of the right kind of people, the
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Speaker 1: team will turn around. And the turnaround will be felt
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Speaker 1: immediately because everyone is pulling the boat in the same direction. Well,
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Speaker 1: every draft pick, to a degree is a crap shoot,
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Speaker 1: and you can see what you want about a dead
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Speaker 1: solid lock. Every draft pick has an element of risk
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Speaker 1: because you don't know how they're gonna play against the league.
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Speaker 1: So having that character on that front, I always say,
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Speaker 1: if the draft is a percentage game, having that knowing
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Speaker 1: that they will maximize their ability reduces your risks. So
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Speaker 1: I'm always all four guys who are good guys when
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Speaker 1: they come in enthusiastic. Uh. You know, they just gotta
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Speaker 1: package that with being able to punch a guy them out. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's what you want. You want some guys that are relentless. Uh.
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Speaker 1: We hear about it all the time in sports. You
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Speaker 1: won't guys who have dog mentality, you know, like they're tough,
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Speaker 1: they give great effort. There's a little bit of relentlessness
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Speaker 1: about him. I know that that little phrase like made
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Speaker 1: Jo likes it. I like the dog mentality. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's what you're looking for. You looking for people that,
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Speaker 1: um come in. It means a lot to him. Um,
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Speaker 1: they want to play at a high level, and they're privful,
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Speaker 1: they're proful in their performance and so this class man
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Speaker 1: I really really like. I really like those guys. Look.
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Speaker 1: I have an unabashed uh Devin Lloyd fan, but look,
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Speaker 1: my affinity for him is matched by my affinity for
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Speaker 1: MoMA and what he brings. And I think from a
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Speaker 1: defensive standpoint, Trayvon Walker, if you put him in the
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Speaker 1: right position to play to his strengths, I think those
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Speaker 1: three guys would be foundational pieces for defense. That is
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Speaker 1: good for a long time and a question for the
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Speaker 1: scout here. Oh good idea for the scout. Um, it
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Speaker 1: feels like we've been over this a lot, but a
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Speaker 1: podcast is a long form content. You can go over
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Speaker 1: whatever you want. Tell me again, Bucky, how you see
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Speaker 1: Muma and Lloyd both being able to contribute? Uh? Why
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Speaker 1: do they work together? How can they work? Because I
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Speaker 1: get it, We've talked about it, but that's still the
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Speaker 1: question that I get over and over and over again.
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Speaker 1: Did they draft the same player? You know? Do you
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Speaker 1: draft one guy's back up? I don't think so, But
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Speaker 1: you're better at explaining that than I am. Stylistically, they're
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Speaker 1: different players. Devin Lloyd is more of UM, a hybrid
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Speaker 1: player that can come off the edge while also being
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Speaker 1: an off the ball linebacker. UM, he's not the same stylistically,
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Speaker 1: but Devin Lloyd can do some of the Michael Parsons stuff,
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Speaker 1: meaning that he can blitz from the second level, He
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Speaker 1: can play in space and cover. He can come off
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Speaker 1: the edge if you need him to, and be a
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Speaker 1: stand up rusher in sub packages and situations and get
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Speaker 1: to the quarterback. And the great thing about him is
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Speaker 1: he has production on paper that backs up those things
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Speaker 1: that show up on tape. So when you watch him
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Speaker 1: move around and you watched our Utah use them. His
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Speaker 1: production shows that, man, this is a guy that can
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Speaker 1: do a bunch of different things and can do it
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Speaker 1: at a high level. MoMA is uh what I call
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Speaker 1: a new school linebacker that has all the traits that
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Speaker 1: you have to have to play at a high level
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Speaker 1: in this league. Now as an off the ball linebacker, UM,
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Speaker 1: he has outstanding instincts, diagnostic skills, great communicator, high I
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Speaker 1: q uh. You watch him play, he gets his hands
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Speaker 1: on the ball in the passing game. He rarely misses tackles.
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Speaker 1: As a sideline the sideline defender, he is UM. Look,
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Speaker 1: I think he can play well, but he's a perfect
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Speaker 1: mic linebacker. I think in a perfect situation where we're
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Speaker 1: looking at the new UH three linebackers, Devin Lloyd is
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Speaker 1: a same linebacker. Strong side linebacker that can sometimes come
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Speaker 1: down hand come down and maybe you walk him over
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Speaker 1: to tight end. Can be heavy handed. Sometimes you walk
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Speaker 1: him and let him do his thing. I think Muma
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Speaker 1: can play Mike and even play will you know, and
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Speaker 1: like treason editions is just another good player. And I
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Speaker 1: think what what happens is draft philosophy. They always talk
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Speaker 1: about take the best player available, And then what you
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Speaker 1: do is when you take the best player available in
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Speaker 1: every round, it gives you an opportunity to have a
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Speaker 1: team for the really good players. And then it's on
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Speaker 1: the coaches to figure out, Okay, how do we get
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Speaker 1: all these pieces? How we how we put these guys
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Speaker 1: on the field. What kind of packaging can we create?
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Speaker 1: What what do we do? Do we now play maybe
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Speaker 1: uh two four five defense where we have two D
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Speaker 1: alignment on the field, four linebackers moving around and roving,
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Speaker 1: uh to maximize the speed and the talent that we have.
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Speaker 1: Do we do three three five? There are a number
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Speaker 1: of combinations, But what you want to do is put
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Speaker 1: your best guys on the field. And so the first
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Speaker 1: thing to get a bunch of good guys and then
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Speaker 1: figured it out later. And that could change week to week, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean depending on the opponent. You're gonna play a
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Speaker 1: different brand of defense against the Titans with Derrick Henry
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Speaker 1: than you are against the Chiefs. Yeah, it can't change,
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Speaker 1: And a lot of it depends on what the guys
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Speaker 1: can handle. When it comes to uh, how much of
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Speaker 1: the playbook can they pick up? How do the coaches
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Speaker 1: give them the playbook? Do they make it where all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, we now look at the defense that
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Speaker 1: operates utilizing what we call snowflake game plans, where each
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Speaker 1: and every week is a different plan. It's not the
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Speaker 1: same defense. We don't see them line up in a
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Speaker 1: four or three cover two and play that from today
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Speaker 1: into the Cows come home. Maybe one week they're more
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Speaker 1: of a four three team, the next week there three
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Speaker 1: or four team. The week after that they played primarily
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Speaker 1: in a variety of nickel packages. That might be the
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Speaker 1: way that they go down. But you know, the better
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Speaker 1: the players, the more flexibility you have, and the more
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Speaker 1: creativity the defensive coordinator can kind of bring to the table.
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Speaker 1: Right I, for one, jp A, I am worn out
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Speaker 1: on there being so many good players around here. So
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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's why I'm mad about the
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Speaker 1: moment pick because we've had too many others. Has been
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Speaker 1: a problem for these coaching staff for uh for decades
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Speaker 1: is figuring out where to put good players. Well, I think,
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Speaker 1: so here's the thing, Like the best time, the last
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Speaker 1: time we saw a really good defense and a really
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Speaker 1: good team was twenty seventeen. Look at the linebackers that
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Speaker 1: was that were on that squad and how they utilized
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Speaker 1: them Telvin and Jack and Paud, like, they found a
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Speaker 1: way to utilize the talents and they put him on
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Speaker 1: the field. I think you could have a similar situation.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they're going to recreate Saxonville, because
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Speaker 1: I still think we're lacking a little bit when from
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Speaker 1: the past fresh aspect, But that defense had a lot
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Speaker 1: of speed, a lot of athleticism, and a lot of versatility,
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Speaker 1: and they were able to use that to their advantage.
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Speaker 1: Remember JP on that two has a seventeen team. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know Dante Fowler. I don't know that he really
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Speaker 1: had a true position on that team. You know, he wouldn't.
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Speaker 1: I guess he was a starter, not really over yawn,
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Speaker 1: you know, like they're really well, I mean except for
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Speaker 1: when he didn't Yeah, but he really didn't you look back.
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Speaker 1: He really didn't never roll per se. But he had
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Speaker 1: ten sacks and forced a bunch of fumbles. And he
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Speaker 1: wasn't the best player in the defense, but good enough
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Speaker 1: to find a place for him. Aaron Coleman was the
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Speaker 1: nickel you know, and played something you know, so uh,
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Speaker 1: I'm into what Bucky's saying. I mean, it's when you
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Speaker 1: I've never known a team in the NFL that two
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Speaker 1: whine about having too many guys who could play. Certainly
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Speaker 1: haven't known it around here. So to me, the Moment
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Speaker 1: pick was a huge step in the right direction philosophically
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Speaker 1: for that reason. You know, yeah, I think I think
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Speaker 1: it will pay dividends down a lot. This is a
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Speaker 1: really good player, man. I hate to keep comparing him
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Speaker 1: to his my teammate, Logan Wilson and what Logan Wilson
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Speaker 1: has been able to do for the Cincinnati Bengals, but
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Speaker 1: you have to compare him because stylistically, man, they play
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Speaker 1: so similarly in terms of the way that they control
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Speaker 1: the middlefield, the way they're able to play in coverage,
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Speaker 1: the way they get their hands on the ball, and
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Speaker 1: they make a ton of disruptive plays. Moment strikes me
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Speaker 1: as the same kind of player. And what was impressive
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Speaker 1: And I know sometimes like this stuff can be for show,
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Speaker 1: but how quickly he wanted to dive into the playbook,
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Speaker 1: how he wanted to playbook right away, and how he
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Speaker 1: wanted ownership and how I think ball. He was the
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Speaker 1: one that mentioned, hey, he's a green dot player and
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Speaker 1: people have to understand the green Dot player is the
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Speaker 1: one who makes all the calls. He's the one that
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Speaker 1: communicates with the coaches. He has the UH mike and
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Speaker 1: the earpiece in the helmet. He's the traffic cop. And
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Speaker 1: for him to want to embrace that and to do
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Speaker 1: what he's always done to me, that makes it easy
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Speaker 1: because if he does become that, then it frees up
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Speaker 1: the other guys to just focusing on plane and that
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Speaker 1: allows them to play fast. That allows them to play free,
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Speaker 1: and hopefully it leads to a bunch of plays, bunch
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Speaker 1: of splash plays. This is the Huddle Up Podcast J P. Shadrick,
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Speaker 1: John Osan and Bucky Brooks and a dog in the background. Bucky,
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Speaker 1: what's what's the lay of the land with the dog situation?
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Speaker 1: That dog has that dog has a dog dog mentality
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Speaker 1: over there, dog metelli so that that might be Luna,
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Speaker 1: But I don't know if there's Luna or if there's Parmesan,
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Speaker 1: because Parmesan is the dog next door. And so sometimes
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Speaker 1: they get to going. And so today I think you
17:26
Speaker 1: have the gardeners running around people all over the place.
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Speaker 1: So has a gardener? Wow, must be nice? Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: uh okay, Hey, Bucky, how's the gardener? Then? I didn't
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Speaker 1: see big as your garden, did it was my garden.
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Speaker 1: There's a gardener running around next as a gardener. That
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Speaker 1: somebody who would name their dog Parmesan. It's fair, and
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Speaker 1: that's not my dog. Luna is my dog, is the
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Speaker 1: neighbor's dog. We'll come back in a moment, a hiring
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Speaker 1: for general manager Trent Ballky and the personnel department, and
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Speaker 1: Dailies Place schedule is Redlumineers. Last night. They're playing again
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Speaker 1: tonight on Wednesday at Daily's Place. May twenty, that's Friday.
18:40
Speaker 1: I believe Sting will be here May Chicago, June four.
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Speaker 1: The Jacksonville Taco and Margharita Festival tickets and information at
18:50
Speaker 1: Daily's Place dot com. Staying on Friday. Buck on Friday,
18:55
Speaker 1: but I want to know about the talk with Margharita theme.
18:56
Speaker 1: What was the date on June four? Two days? Might
19:00
Speaker 1: be might be a trip you might to make it.
19:03
Speaker 1: Come in and check out O T s h. It's
19:05
Speaker 1: a Saturday. Yeah, check out. See if we can find
19:08
Speaker 1: a little spot down at the beach, you know, make
19:10
Speaker 1: sure and get some tacos and you know, and then
19:15
Speaker 1: maybe a little football on top of that. Huh okay good?
19:18
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, by the way to Yeah, we have all
19:21
Speaker 1: that dating. Just do it all at this day. Come
19:24
Speaker 1: check it out because I think there's an open media
19:26
Speaker 1: O T A that next Monday or Tuesday, I believe, so,
19:29
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, full weekend. Yeah that's a little full weekend.
19:32
Speaker 1: Get a full weekend. Get all that and then to
19:34
Speaker 1: come back on Monday and see what's going on. I
19:36
Speaker 1: like it. I don't know how you'll be able to
19:38
Speaker 1: handle all that schedule. But here staying staying for the
19:41
Speaker 1: for the Taco Night a couple of weeks around around town.
19:45
Speaker 1: He's moving it around. He's a big taco busy. Thanks Um, so, hey,
19:55
Speaker 1: there was a hiring in the personnel department earlier this week,
19:58
Speaker 1: in fact, I think today on Wednesday, they announced that
20:01
Speaker 1: the Jaguars hired Ethan Waugh as assistant general manager. He
20:05
Speaker 1: was with Trent Bulky out in San Francisco. He was
20:08
Speaker 1: the VP of player personnel with the forty Niners. The
20:10
Speaker 1: last year or so, he was the director of college
20:14
Speaker 1: scouting and football systems for the team as well. What
20:17
Speaker 1: do you know about wa Bucky, Well, obviously, like Trent
20:20
Speaker 1: Parking once is around himself with guys who look at
20:23
Speaker 1: the game through similar eyes. And so while comes from
20:27
Speaker 1: San Francisco, we understand the success that the Niners have
20:30
Speaker 1: had is a team that has gone to the Super Bowl. Um,
20:34
Speaker 1: they've put together rosters that everyone around the league would
20:37
Speaker 1: certainly say among the most talented in the league. And
20:40
Speaker 1: so you get another guy who understands what championship caliber
20:44
Speaker 1: football looks like. And so because he has a relationship
20:46
Speaker 1: with Trent, that you have those guys work in lockstep
20:49
Speaker 1: to make sure that they for ified the roster with
20:51
Speaker 1: enough uh what were called blue chip players to give
20:54
Speaker 1: the Jaguar as a chance. And so as we kind
20:57
Speaker 1: of look at this from a long term vision. For
20:59
Speaker 1: the Aguars to be able to play at the championship level,
21:01
Speaker 1: you have to have tended till blue chip players, players
21:04
Speaker 1: that you would consider top five, top ten of their
21:08
Speaker 1: respective positions. And so you have to have guys in
21:11
Speaker 1: the building that know what that looks like and can
21:13
Speaker 1: find a way to acquire that kind of talent. All right,
21:17
Speaker 1: joining the team. Um, now we didn't ask you, Bucky.
21:20
Speaker 1: We haven't had you since the schedule came out that
21:22
Speaker 1: came out on Thursday. What do you What do you
21:24
Speaker 1: think of the Jaguars schedule? Well, I mean I like
21:27
Speaker 1: the schedule. Um, you know, like yesterday I got a
21:31
Speaker 1: little bit of a debate on total access with willim
21:33
Speaker 1: Aginnis because we were breaking down the Colts schedule and
21:36
Speaker 1: early in the season the Jaguars playing him twice within
21:39
Speaker 1: the first eight games, you know, and so I was like, oh,
21:43
Speaker 1: two dubs were Jacksonville right there? Considering the matchup and
21:47
Speaker 1: the robbery and all that other stuff. You don't you
21:49
Speaker 1: don't come into Jacksonville if you're the Colts. I mean
21:51
Speaker 1: it's been a while, okay, yeah, so they can talk
21:54
Speaker 1: about it being a thing, But now I feel I
21:56
Speaker 1: feel good about it. Obviously there's some tough games. It's
21:59
Speaker 1: a tough slate, but um, it's about getting the quarterback
22:03
Speaker 1: up and going. If you get Trevor Lawrence up and
22:05
Speaker 1: going with the veteran receivers and those things, if the
22:08
Speaker 1: offense can jump and begin to score some points and
22:11
Speaker 1: do some stuff, it's about building momentum. So look, I
22:14
Speaker 1: got attack the first quarter to season and see where
22:17
Speaker 1: we stand. But hopefully you just get better and better
22:20
Speaker 1: over the course of the year and you feel good
22:21
Speaker 1: about the results at the end. I ain't intriguing sched
22:24
Speaker 1: We talked about a lot last week, but four out
22:27
Speaker 1: of the first six on the road, those two home
22:30
Speaker 1: games or against I believe Houston and the Colts you
22:36
Speaker 1: better get those. I mean, it's it sets up. I'm
22:42
Speaker 1: not a big believer that you truly know scheduled difficulty
22:45
Speaker 1: until about five or six weeks in because the league
22:47
Speaker 1: changes so much now. But logistically, to me, this is
22:52
Speaker 1: a tough schedule because of the four six away early
22:56
Speaker 1: and then four or five away late. Uh, you know
23:00
Speaker 1: it's uh, those are the elements that make it tricky
23:03
Speaker 1: to me. And then you've got November staring at you,
23:06
Speaker 1: which history tells you that the Chiefs and the Ravens,
23:11
Speaker 1: which are in that group, they don't really go up
23:14
Speaker 1: and down. Even when the Ravens, even last year when
23:17
Speaker 1: they struggled, they're they're never an easy out. I I
23:24
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's really tough, and I think
23:26
Speaker 1: it's really important for them to get off to they
23:29
Speaker 1: play the first eight games, they have one postseason team
23:32
Speaker 1: from the correct I think it's tied for the second
23:36
Speaker 1: in the league of easiest schedule from last year's wins
23:40
Speaker 1: losses over the first eight games. But do this. But's
23:43
Speaker 1: the problem with that stat is you have one out
23:47
Speaker 1: of eight postseason teams from last year. Three of the
23:51
Speaker 1: ones that didn't make it are the Colts, Colts and Chargers. Well,
23:56
Speaker 1: you know, I would I would have said last year
24:00
Speaker 1: eye test, there were ten long stretches where they seem
24:06
Speaker 1: like postseason teams to me. So it's the NFL bucket
24:10
Speaker 1: ain't supposed to be easy. No, that's supposed to be easy.
24:13
Speaker 1: But I think you could make like, look, they start
24:15
Speaker 1: out with Washington, and Washington has a quarterback that just
24:19
Speaker 1: struggled against the team that quarterback ahead and give you
24:22
Speaker 1: a dub for that one. He's locking it down. He's
24:24
Speaker 1: be locking a w okay Bucky. Yeah. So then we
24:27
Speaker 1: get the Colts coming to Jacksonville automatic horror. So right
24:31
Speaker 1: now we're looking at maybe a two and old start
24:33
Speaker 1: good start. What you got next to get chance to
24:37
Speaker 1: come to the neighborhood, chance to come to l a.
24:40
Speaker 1: You some some tacos. I get some fish tacos out
24:42
Speaker 1: this way, you know, celebrate a little bit. But that's
24:46
Speaker 1: gonna be a tough one. The Eagles, We'll be tough
24:49
Speaker 1: in week four because the running game is a little
24:51
Speaker 1: complex with Jalen Hurts and those things that can be
24:54
Speaker 1: a rough one. Texans we owe them from last year.
24:57
Speaker 1: Then we played the Colts again. So if you think
24:59
Speaker 1: about the first games, theres some ends pop up and
25:04
Speaker 1: if you get some Doug gets the team playing well.
25:07
Speaker 1: Didn't get the Giants? Did? We go to Wimbley and
25:09
Speaker 1: we play the Broncos and everyone is talking about how
25:12
Speaker 1: good the Broncos is gonna be, But I don't know
25:13
Speaker 1: how good they're gonna be. Like, I mean, I don't
25:15
Speaker 1: know Russell is there, but I don't know how great
25:17
Speaker 1: the rest of the team is. I'm just saying that
25:20
Speaker 1: if you get a chance to start out fast and
25:22
Speaker 1: just win a couple of games, a couple of games,
25:25
Speaker 1: get a little momentum, start feeling good. Who knows you
25:28
Speaker 1: just Scinnati Bengal thing. You know what I just heard.
25:30
Speaker 1: There was six and two in the first date. That's
25:33
Speaker 1: what I heard come out of your mouth. Six and two. Uh,
25:39
Speaker 1: six and two. Let's go. Here's here's what I go.
25:41
Speaker 1: I go Watchington, I go Coats. We'll split with the
25:44
Speaker 1: Colts Texans. So that's three. There's three and three giants.
25:50
Speaker 1: That's four. I think we can get four out of
25:54
Speaker 1: the first aide four and four amazing and amazing. I
25:58
Speaker 1: mean I a shot at four and four. I think
26:02
Speaker 1: the schedule sets up that they should be competing. They're
26:06
Speaker 1: playing well, yeah, I can get that. I think about
26:08
Speaker 1: Let the seventeen team just go back a little bit.
26:10
Speaker 1: They were three and three, and they were fighting earlier
26:12
Speaker 1: in the year, and then also they caught fire late.
26:14
Speaker 1: It was a December schedule. They got going and Blake
26:17
Speaker 1: was playing. That was you know, my experience in the league,
26:19
Speaker 1: which unfortunately is going on twenty eight years. Typically these
26:24
Speaker 1: conversations the schedule especially I'll couch us by saying I
26:30
Speaker 1: was gonna say, you never know how that season is
26:32
Speaker 1: going to go. Well for the jag Wars of late,
26:35
Speaker 1: you you have sort of know it's gone bad. But
26:39
Speaker 1: when a team is good, uh, more times than not,
26:46
Speaker 1: everything that you talked about before the season, you rip
26:49
Speaker 1: it up once you're three games in and and you're
26:51
Speaker 1: fighting through it. The stretch that you thought was going
26:54
Speaker 1: to be quote easy, you lose one and then you
26:57
Speaker 1: run off. Yeah. So uh the amazing Charger statu to me,
27:03
Speaker 1: everybody talks about certain teams to give teams problems. The
27:08
Speaker 1: jag Wars last five games out there out West against
27:11
Speaker 1: San Diego, they've lost by eighteen points a game. They
27:16
Speaker 1: have gotten throttled by the Chargers out there, and now
27:19
Speaker 1: it's over a long period of time, feel but they've
27:24
Speaker 1: never won out there, and they have gotten handled so
27:28
Speaker 1: until Mike. Mike McCoy's here now, so we got that
27:32
Speaker 1: we have McCoy a good guy. All right, Well, well, John,
27:35
Speaker 1: you know what you just did. You just just ruined
27:37
Speaker 1: the post game spread that I was gonna lay out
27:39
Speaker 1: for us in l A. So now if we're gonna
27:41
Speaker 1: do anything, we need to be in a celebratory move
27:44
Speaker 1: before the game. So we have to eat before the game.
27:46
Speaker 1: We can't eat after the game because you're talking about
27:49
Speaker 1: eighteen point losses every time we venture out to l
27:52
Speaker 1: A Like, that's not gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah,
27:54
Speaker 1: can get you early again. I started go back to
27:58
Speaker 1: sometimes with the Jags or the last ten years. Is
28:00
Speaker 1: those stats you can throw them out about a lot
28:03
Speaker 1: of them, a lot of opponents. So yeah, but the Chargers,
28:08
Speaker 1: for one, have been a a tough matchup. But going
28:13
Speaker 1: out west has been tough for this team. So it's
28:14
Speaker 1: sort of the same stat if you were going a
28:16
Speaker 1: lot of places. So the one thing, yeah, the one
28:19
Speaker 1: thing decision is coming back to London, trip and then
28:21
Speaker 1: playing a game, not getting to buy. I know people
28:23
Speaker 1: sometimes trip off of that. They played the Broncos, didn't
28:26
Speaker 1: come right back and play the Raiders. Um, they played
28:29
Speaker 1: the Raiders early. As you like, John, everything is at
28:32
Speaker 1: one o'clock with the exception of one game, Like, everything
28:36
Speaker 1: is early. The only year we've had to buy, I mean,
28:38
Speaker 1: the only year we haven't had to buy after London
28:40
Speaker 1: was seventeen. That's right. They went up to New York.
28:42
Speaker 1: They lost that game. But and actually Doug Peterson requested
28:45
Speaker 1: that Bucky they they the Jaguars had the chance to say, hey,
28:49
Speaker 1: we want to buy after right after that game. Coach
28:52
Speaker 1: Peterson said, you know what, no, we we want to
28:54
Speaker 1: We don't want to buy that early. We'd like it
28:55
Speaker 1: a little bit later. And it worked out where they
28:57
Speaker 1: have two games immediately after London and then the bye week,
29:00
Speaker 1: so a little later by and that's coach pep, as
29:03
Speaker 1: long as you get the home game the next week.
29:06
Speaker 1: I did think the year that they had them fly
29:09
Speaker 1: back and then go to New York. Uh, that seemed
29:14
Speaker 1: like a lot. I was leapy, Ye, it's all about John.
29:21
Speaker 1: What makes you first? You ready to go? Maybe maybe
29:25
Speaker 1: we can get you in massage table, get your hydrated,
29:28
Speaker 1: to get your recovered, get your fully ready. Make sure
29:31
Speaker 1: you're you're ready post post London International game. I'm a
29:37
Speaker 1: I'm big h copping that. That's John's thing. I think
29:42
Speaker 1: all get your cupped everything, phone roller, make sure make
29:47
Speaker 1: sure John takes the phone roller on the flight it
29:49
Speaker 1: make sure you roll pre impost if. I er if
29:54
Speaker 1: I walked through the aisle of the plane and John
29:57
Speaker 1: Oser's laying in the aisle rolling is a leg out.
30:01
Speaker 1: That's it. I'm done here. It's very dusty. Yeah, make
30:07
Speaker 1: sure we get you right before we go over to
30:09
Speaker 1: Wimbley take old Russell, all those guys. Alright. Final thoughts
30:13
Speaker 1: here on the Huddle Up Podcast. O t A start
30:16
Speaker 1: next week, final week of Phase two. This week they're
30:19
Speaker 1: running out on the field, no helmets, super individual, they're
30:23
Speaker 1: doing some things. That's fine, and then next week it's
30:25
Speaker 1: O t A s so um ten O t A
30:28
Speaker 1: practices in a three week span. No pads except me
30:32
Speaker 1: and elbow and helmets are allowed. There's no live contact.
30:35
Speaker 1: You can do seven on seven, nine on seven, and
30:37
Speaker 1: eleven on eleven, but no live contact and only six
30:41
Speaker 1: hours a day permitted. So here we go, Bucky O
30:44
Speaker 1: t AS finally here next week. Well, one thing that
30:48
Speaker 1: I certainly hope you guys will do is because I
30:50
Speaker 1: think it's very important because I'm not there, I hope
30:53
Speaker 1: you're tracking completions and and big plays and all that
30:57
Speaker 1: stuff doing those open media session because that stuff really matters.
31:00
Speaker 1: I really wanna see Ficient eight and all of that.
31:03
Speaker 1: So let's make sure we're staying up today with that.
31:05
Speaker 1: Since we've got a little teamwork. There's a competitive there's
31:08
Speaker 1: a competitive period eleven on eleven, nine or seven and
31:12
Speaker 1: one on ones. That is important, John, So make sure
31:15
Speaker 1: you have the uh, the pencil in the pad right there.
31:18
Speaker 1: Keep me updated. How are you with dealing with disappointment?
31:21
Speaker 1: But because because you're probably gonna be disappointed at I'm
31:29
Speaker 1: not big on on the completions during O T A S.
31:32
Speaker 1: I am big on the eye test during O T
31:35
Speaker 1: A S. If you're us and I assume you'll be
31:42
Speaker 1: in for one because you know it's works network. Uh,
31:46
Speaker 1: what are you looking to see? How a Trevor from
31:50
Speaker 1: by the end of T S. What do you want
31:53
Speaker 1: to see that would make you feel good about it? Okay,
31:58
Speaker 1: let's gonna sound this because we talked about not tracking completions.
32:02
Speaker 1: But John, you've been around high level quarterbacks and I'm
32:05
Speaker 1: sure when you spend your time with the Coats there
32:07
Speaker 1: were days when you watch Payton Man and the ball
32:09
Speaker 1: didn't hit the ground. Um, there's a level of expectation.
32:13
Speaker 1: Haven't been around Doug having kind of been raised in
32:15
Speaker 1: the same system with coach Homer, which was part of
32:17
Speaker 1: the Bill Wash thing. It should be a point somewhere
32:21
Speaker 1: in the summertime and training camp where the ball shouldn't
32:23
Speaker 1: hit the ground. Like when we're in these periods, the
32:26
Speaker 1: ball should look snap, ball goes to check down or whatever,
32:31
Speaker 1: but the ball should not hit the ground because then
32:32
Speaker 1: you're operating down the level of efficiency that looks like
32:36
Speaker 1: a championship caliber team, And so you should get a
32:39
Speaker 1: sense that the team feels different because of the execution.
32:42
Speaker 1: The execution is at a high level. So by the
32:45
Speaker 1: end of the o T A period, I would like
32:47
Speaker 1: to see flashes of that where their days where Trevor
32:51
Speaker 1: is what twenty of twenty two, when the ball just
32:55
Speaker 1: looks like he just sprang it all over and everyone
32:57
Speaker 1: is getting touched. You see Za Jones and Marvin Jones
33:00
Speaker 1: and Evan Ingram and maybe Travis and ten, all those
33:03
Speaker 1: guys feeling like they're part of the offense even though
33:06
Speaker 1: it's in practice. Because as those things happen in practice,
33:09
Speaker 1: they begin to translate to success in games. And so
33:12
Speaker 1: I would put the pressure on Travor to see, like, hey,
33:15
Speaker 1: let's operate at a high level. You know, let's let's
33:18
Speaker 1: let's see what it looks like. Let's move around drill
33:21
Speaker 1: to drill and kind of operate like a first class
33:24
Speaker 1: um organization. So it looks it looks like they made
33:28
Speaker 1: a turn. There are days where it all to look easy. Yeah,
33:31
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. And it may not
33:35
Speaker 1: be John out there keeping track of completions, but somebody
33:38
Speaker 1: out there will be, and there will be reports of
33:40
Speaker 1: that throughout the at least the open there's one open
33:42
Speaker 1: each week. I tweet, Yeah, okay, I appreciate that. And
33:48
Speaker 1: and and if you snack some of the little snazzy
33:51
Speaker 1: videos that JP sometimes put out there, like who's who
33:55
Speaker 1: and what's what, like if there's like little sightings and
33:58
Speaker 1: stuff like that, like I like to get that information
34:00
Speaker 1: to I mean, look, I'm following JPN you, but like
34:03
Speaker 1: sometimes I like this stuff personal. It makes me feel
34:04
Speaker 1: good when you guys send it to me directly. Did
34:06
Speaker 1: they cancel a bunch of fights? I mean, you're still
34:09
Speaker 1: an airport in l A last I check. I mean,
34:14
Speaker 1: but the open sessions, I don't know when no possessions are,
34:17
Speaker 1: Like you know, I like to be able to go
34:19
Speaker 1: and check it out. Look, you said to me so
34:21
Speaker 1: many days and open sessions. I'll be right there on
34:23
Speaker 1: the Jaguars don't have your email address I'm sure you
34:27
Speaker 1: were on that chain. Plus, it's a free website. Free website,
34:32
Speaker 1: you can check it out jaguars dot com dates are
34:35
Speaker 1: check it out. See if I can see if I
34:37
Speaker 1: can get get the itinerary and stuff. Sit sit there,
34:40
Speaker 1: you know, find me a spot with a little turn
34:42
Speaker 1: down service, you know, chocolate on the pillow so I
34:46
Speaker 1: can get up and feel good about it. You know.
34:48
Speaker 1: Make sure you tell your gardener you're leaving for a
34:50
Speaker 1: few days. Make sure you board plow. Look, I'll make
34:55
Speaker 1: sure at the farmer John, I will go. I'm gonna
34:57
Speaker 1: go when when we fetish the pot, I'm gonna go
34:59
Speaker 1: and walk over and make sure Pomesan is okay because
35:02
Speaker 1: Parmesan is messing up Luna. Luna goes on the early
35:04
Speaker 1: morning walking, likes to sleep for most of the day.
35:07
Speaker 1: When you have a little pit bull that you know,
35:09
Speaker 1: they don't like to do a whole lot of expending energy.
35:12
Speaker 1: That's that's Luna. Luna doesn't want to spend a whole
35:14
Speaker 1: lot of energy. So Parmesan gotta riled up and now
35:16
Speaker 1: she'll sleep for the rest of the day. I like
35:18
Speaker 1: Luna's a dog's name. Got I got a question partmerjan Man.
35:21
Speaker 1: I know we're calling out Bucky's neighbor here, but that
35:23
Speaker 1: that's uh hey, look it's not the thing like like
35:27
Speaker 1: I don't know why Parmesan like that's not that's not popular.
35:30
Speaker 1: It's not really ferocious or anything like like, that's that's
35:34
Speaker 1: a tough one. That dog's got some identity issues. Yeah,
35:37
Speaker 1: Luna dog Luna, Luna goes and gets it. Dog mentell,
35:41
Speaker 1: dog mentell, dog meant tell you gotta have a dog mentell.
35:45
Speaker 1: We certainly have that here on the Huddle Up Podcast.
35:48
Speaker 1: That will do it for our show today or thanks
35:50
Speaker 1: to Joe Fortunato and for John Osier and Bucky Brooks.
35:53
Speaker 1: I'm j P. Shadrick will catch you next time. I'm
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