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Glenn Rogers From Van Nuys Truck Fire to Room 119 · FBI Files

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  Speaker 1: In the fall of 1995, a serial killer was on
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  Speaker 1: the loose. Crossing the country, he lured women with his
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  Speaker 1: charm and then struck. Each time, he vanished before police
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  Speaker 1: could catch him. The FBI and police detectives needed to
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  Speaker 1: stop him before another victim made this deadly strike.
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  Speaker 2: The body of a young woman found burned in a
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  Speaker 2: truck launched a manhunt to find her killer. When more
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  Speaker 2: bodies began to turn up across the country, the FBI
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  Speaker 2: believed the cases were linked. Investigators had a suspect. They
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  Speaker 2: just couldn't find him. I'm Jim Kallstrom, former head of
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  Speaker 2: the FBI's New York office. Agents would enlist the help
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  Speaker 2: of local law enforcement and even long-haul truckers to stop
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  Speaker 2: a cross-country killer.
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  Speaker 1: In the early morning hours of September 29th, 1995, the
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles Fire Department responded to a vehicle fire at
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  Speaker 1: a hospital in Van Nuys. They found a pickup truck
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  Speaker 1: burning in the parking lot. When the flames were extinguished,
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  Speaker 1: they found human remains. Firemen contacted the Arson and Homicide
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  Speaker 1: Division of the Los Angeles Police Department. Homicide detectives responded
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  Speaker 1: to the scene and were briefed by uniformed officers already there.
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  Speaker 1: They questioned a witness, a nurse who had seen the
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  Speaker 1: fire start. She said she had arrived for work before
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  Speaker 1: dawn for the early morning shift. In the parking lot,
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  Speaker 1: she saw the truck go ablaze. She saw the outline
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  Speaker 1: of a figure with long hair run from the truck
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  Speaker 1: as the flames erupted. She never saw a face. And
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  Speaker 1: she had never seen the truck before. Investigators inspected the vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: The pattern of fire damage indicated it had begun in
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  Speaker 1: the cab and had burned very quickly. Investigators believed it
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  Speaker 1: had been intentionally set. An accelerant had been used, probably gasoline.
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  Speaker 1: The body inside appeared to be a female, but it
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  Speaker 1: was burned beyond recognition. Some items survived the fire, including
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  Speaker 1: a backpack, a camera, and a roll of undeveloped film.
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  Speaker 1: Technicians recovered several documents that bore the name Sandra Gallagher.
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  Speaker 1: By sunrise, detectives at LAPD's Van Nuys station had run
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  Speaker 1: the truck's plates.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna go back.
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  Speaker 1: Through DMV records, Detective Mike Koblentz was able to confirm
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  Speaker 1: that Sandra Gallagher owned the truck.
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  Speaker 3: We'd done some work at the office and learned that
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  Speaker 3: she was in fact married to an individual, Steve, who
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  Speaker 3: lived in the Los Angeles area. We attempted to contact
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  Speaker 3: him and made arrangements to interview him at Van Nuys Station.
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  Speaker 1: Detectives suspected it was Sandra in the truck, but identification
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  Speaker 1: through dental records would take a few days. Since the
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  Speaker 1: body was too damaged to identify, detectives asked Stephen Gallagher
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  Speaker 1: to look through the recovered evidence. He said the backpack, camera,
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  Speaker 1: and other items were Sandra's. The police department had developed
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  Speaker 1: a roll of film that survived the fire. Stephen identified
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  Speaker 1: his wife in the pictures. Most married homicide victims are
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  Speaker 1: killed by their husbands. Detectives asked Stephen about his relationship
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  Speaker 1: with Sandra.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of domestic violence, spousal abuse that goes on,
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  Speaker 3: so it's just a direction to go to initially. In
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  Speaker 3: our case, as it related to Sandra Gallagher, once again,
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  Speaker 3: we wanted to eliminate the husband as a suspect and
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  Speaker 3: determine a little bit more about our victim, Sandra.
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  Speaker 1: Stephen said he had seen his wife on September 28th,
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  Speaker 1: the day before the truck fire.
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  Speaker 2: What about you?
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  Speaker 1: That day, the couple had met for lunch. He and
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  Speaker 1: Sandra were experiencing marital problems, and they'd spent the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of nights apart. They had talked about reconciling. But
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  Speaker 1: things were still strained between them.
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  Speaker 3: That's none of your business, okay?
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  Speaker 1: Stephen told detectives he last saw Sandra around 2 p.m.,
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  Speaker 1: though he heard from his wife later that evening. He
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  Speaker 1: said Sandra called him from a local bar called McRez.
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  Speaker 1: She was very excited and told him she had won $ 1, 200
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  Speaker 1: in the lottery. I was one.
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  Speaker 4: Of my brothers.
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  Speaker 1: Since that call, Stephen hadn't heard from his wife and
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  Speaker 1: had no idea where she had gone. Detectives had to
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  Speaker 1: corroborate his story.
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  Speaker 3: Once he mentioned the Bar McReds, that was our direction.
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  Speaker 3: We wanted to get in there, find out who was
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  Speaker 3: the bartender, who the owner was, who was there that
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  Speaker 3: particular evening, and who could identify some photos of Sandra
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  Speaker 3: that we'd gathered from the truck.
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  Speaker 1: LAPD detectives visited the bar. When shown a photo of
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  Speaker 1: Sandra Gallagher, the bartender recognized the woman. What can.
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  Speaker 5: You tell me about her?
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  Speaker 1: She knew her by her nickname, Sam. Hey.
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  Speaker 3: Guess what?
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  Speaker 1: The bartender confirmed that Sandra had been in the bar
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  Speaker 1: on the night of the 28th. She had told everyone
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  Speaker 1: about her lottery win. Some customers overheard the detectives' questions
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  Speaker 1: and said they had also been in McRed's that evening.
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  Speaker 1: They also remembered Sandra and recalled one man who talked
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  Speaker 1: with her that night.
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  Speaker 3: These people in the bar had mentioned to us that
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  Speaker 3: they recognized the photographs and they identified the photographs as
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  Speaker 3: a female by the name of Sam. This is the
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  Speaker 3: name that they knew her by, was Sam. And everybody
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  Speaker 3: had mentioned she was with a person by the name
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  Speaker 3: of Glenn.
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  Speaker 1: They described Glenn as having long blonde hair and a beard.
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  Speaker 1: He'd been coming in regularly for the past few days.
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  Speaker 1: That night, he seemed interested in Sandra and talked to
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  Speaker 1: her for quite a while. Glenn was friendly and came
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  Speaker 1: across as a big spender, buying drinks for Sandra and
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  Speaker 1: the others. When the bar closed, Glenn had asked Sandra
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  Speaker 1: for a ride home. He said he lived nearby. She
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  Speaker 1: agreed to drop him off and they left together. The
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  Speaker 1: customers hadn't seen Glenn since that night. They believed Glenn's
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  Speaker 1: last name was Rogers, but they weren't sure. Their description
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  Speaker 1: of him matched the one of the man seen fleeing
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  Speaker 1: the burning truck. Detective Koblenz would check the lead.
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  Speaker 3: Through department sources, we're able to identify Glen Rogers as
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  Speaker 3: a resident in the Van Nuys area, and we're able
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  Speaker 3: to obtain photographs of Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Rogers.
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  Speaker 3: These photographs, in the next day or two, were shown
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  Speaker 3: to various witnesses at the bar in the form of
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  Speaker 3: a photo lineup, and Mr. Rogers was identified in this
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  Speaker 3: photo lineup as the person being at McRed's with Sandra Gallagher.
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  Speaker 1: Detectives secured a search warrant for Rogers' apartment. It was
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  Speaker 1: only a few minutes away from where the truck had
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  Speaker 1: been burned.
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  Speaker 4: LAPD, search warrant!
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  Speaker 1: They didn't know if Rogers was inside, perhaps with a weapon.
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  Speaker 1: Uniformed officers entered first to clear the apartment. Rogers wasn't there.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, check it out. It looked like Rogers had
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  Speaker 1: cleared out in a hurry. Detectives recovered a purse in
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  Speaker 1: the woman's wallet. It was empty of cash and held
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  Speaker 1: no ID. They also found a woman's earring.
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  Speaker 3: The earring became significant in that her husband, Steve Gallagher,
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  Speaker 3: identified that earring as one that he had purchased as
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  Speaker 3: a pair for his wife a couple months earlier.
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  Speaker 1: After several days, the coroner made his report. He positively
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  Speaker 1: identified the remains from the truck as those of Sandra Gallagher.
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  Speaker 1: he determined that she had not burned to death.
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  Speaker 3: We learned in the nose area of our victim, there
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  Speaker 3: wasn't any presence of evidence of fire, sooting, and so on.
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  Speaker 3: That gave us information that because she didn't breathe any
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  Speaker 3: of the fire, any of the soot, it gave us
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  Speaker 3: an indication that she had died prior to the fire itself.
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  Speaker 1: The mother of three had been killed by manual strangulation.
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles detectives charged Glenn Rogers with Sandra Gallagher's murder
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  Speaker 1: and issued a warrant for his arrest. They entered Rogers'
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  Speaker 1: name and description into the NCIC, the National Crime Information Center.
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  Speaker 1: a database that links over 57,000 law enforcement agencies nationwide.
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  Speaker 3: That informs other agencies around the United States that Glenn Rogers,
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  Speaker 3: in this case, is in fact wanted in Los Angeles
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  Speaker 3: for murder. It would list the agency, Los Angeles Police Department,
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  Speaker 3: Van Nuys area, with my name and my phone number.
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  Speaker 3: If they have any contact with Glenn Rogers and happen
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  Speaker 3: to run him, this warrant would show up in their
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  Speaker 3: jurisdiction and he'd be taken into custody.
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  Speaker 1: Detectives sought out anyone who knew Glenn Rogers. They learned
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  Speaker 1: he frequented local bars and worked odd jobs, mostly in construction.
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  Speaker 1: They visited several job sites, interviewing his friends and coworkers.
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  Speaker 3: Through witnesses and friends, we learned that Glenn did have
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  Speaker 3: a temper and that when he drank, he did become enraged.
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  Speaker 3: There was domestic violence involved with former girlfriends. So we
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  Speaker 3: knew we were dealing with someone who could become violent
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  Speaker 3: and generally violent when he drank, as it was in
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  Speaker 3: our case with Sandra Gallagher.
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  Speaker 1: One of his friends said he hadn't seen Rogers in
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  Speaker 1: a while but promised to contact the police if he
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  Speaker 1: heard from him. A few days later, Rogers' friend called.
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  Speaker 1: He said Rogers had phoned him from a motel outside Jackson, Mississippi.
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  Speaker 1: Local police talked to the motel manager, who told them
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  Speaker 1: Rogers' room number. Police, open up! The room was empty.
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  Speaker 1: The murder suspect was on the run. In the fall
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  Speaker 1: of 1995, the search continued for Glenn Rogers. Police believed
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  Speaker 1: he fled California after killing a woman there on September 28th.
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  Speaker 1: A tip led to a Mississippi motel, but Rogers had
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  Speaker 1: disappeared before police arrived. Police issued an APB locally. They
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  Speaker 1: hoped someone would spot the suspected killer before he left
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  Speaker 1: the area. Days later, on November 3rd, 1995, Jackson, Mississippi
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  Speaker 1: detectives responded to a murder. Family members had found Linda
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  Speaker 1: Price dead in her bathtub. The 34-year-old single mother had
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  Speaker 1: been stabbed repeatedly and her throat had been slashed. Investigators
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  Speaker 1: searched the apartment for evidence. Technicians photographed the scene and
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  Speaker 1: lifted numerous latent fingerprints. They found no murder weapon. No
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  Speaker 1: valuables seemed to be missing. There was no apparent forced entry,
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  Speaker 1: and the killer had locked the door when leaving. The
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  Speaker 1: details of the crime scene led Jackson homicide detectives to
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  Speaker 1: conclude Linda Price had been killed by someone she knew.
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  Speaker 1: In the morning, they interviewed her mother. Perhaps she knew
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  Speaker 1: the killer as well.
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  Speaker 3: I found your body.
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  Speaker 1: She said her daughter had a new boyfriend. His name
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  Speaker 1: was Glenn Rogers. A month earlier, on October 3rd, Linda
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  Speaker 1: had met Rogers at the Mississippi State Fair where he
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  Speaker 1: had been working. He was charming, and Linda fell for
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  Speaker 1: him right away. They soon rented an apartment and moved
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  Speaker 1: in together. At first, Linda seemed happier than ever. But recently,
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  Speaker 1: she wondered if she'd made a mistake. She told her
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  Speaker 1: mother that Rogers had a bad temper and she feared
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  Speaker 1: his mood swings. When Linda stopped calling and didn't answer
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  Speaker 1: her apartment door, her mother believed that Rogers had harmed her. Again,
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  Speaker 1: Rogers was nowhere to be found. Jackson detectives believed he
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  Speaker 1: had left the area. They entered his name into the
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  Speaker 1: NCIC database. Learning Rogers was wanted for murder in California,
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  Speaker 1: they contacted Detective Mike Koblentz in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 3: Jackson, Mississippi at that time contacted me, informed me of
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  Speaker 3: a murder they had, and they wanted more information on
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  Speaker 3: Glenn Rogers as he was a possible perpetrator in that case.
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  Speaker 1: The murders followed a pattern. The victims in California and
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  Speaker 1: Mississippi had both been charmed by Rogers. They had been
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  Speaker 1: isolated from others, then brutally killed just before Rogers fled
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  Speaker 1: the area. Investigators believe that Rogers was on a rampage
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  Speaker 1: that probably would not stop until he was found.
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  Speaker 3: In our minds, we knew that we had a major
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  Speaker 3: problem going on here. We felt that if he wasn't apprehended,
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  Speaker 3: that there could very well be more victims.
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  Speaker 1: Jackson Police asked the public to call if anyone saw
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  Speaker 1: Rogers in the area. Witnesses reported sightings, but Rogers stayed
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  Speaker 1: one step ahead of authorities. The detectives contacted the FBI
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  Speaker 1: field office in Jackson. They believed Rogers had left the
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  Speaker 1: state like he did after the California killing. Agents filed
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  Speaker 1: a federal warrant for unlawful flight to avoid prosecution. Perhaps
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  Speaker 1: federal resources could help stop the killer. FBI Special Agent
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  Speaker 1: John Huber helped coordinate the multi-state investigation.
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  Speaker 4: This case was very high speed, very fast. The murder
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  Speaker 4: he committed in Jackson was on November 3rd. It was
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  Speaker 4: Linda Price. Subsequent to that, he committed another murder on
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  Speaker 4: November 6th.
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  Speaker 1: On that date, police in Tampa, Florida responded to a
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  Speaker 1: murder scene at a local motel room that had been
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  Speaker 1: rented by Glenn Rogers. Like Linda Price, the young woman
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  Speaker 1: laid dead in the bathtub, stabbed in the back, chest,
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  Speaker 1: and wrist. There was no ID of the woman in
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  Speaker 1: the room, but investigators noted a tattoo of a cross
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  Speaker 1: on her shoulder. Her jeans and shoes were piled near
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  Speaker 1: the toilet. A bracelet was found in the sink. From
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  Speaker 1: the evidence left behind, Tampa homicide detective Julie Masucci attempted
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  Speaker 1: to piece together the details of the murder.
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  Speaker 5: When we removed the clothing, it appeared that she had
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  Speaker 5: been stabbed through the clothing, which means that she was
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  Speaker 5: never undressed. And it was from the rear portion, which
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  Speaker 5: appeared that someone might have come up behind her and
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  Speaker 5: stabbed her.
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  Speaker 1: The shoes had blood spots on the top, indicating she
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  Speaker 1: had them on and was standing when she was attacked.
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  Speaker 1: Under her body was a man's watch. Investigators believed it
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  Speaker 1: belonged to the killer.
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  Speaker 5: It was significant that she was placed in a bathtub
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  Speaker 5: and that it appeared that someone tried to clean up
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  Speaker 5: any evidence that they left behind. We had found towels
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  Speaker 5: to indicate someone had wiped up blood off of a floor.
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  Speaker 5: It appeared that the bathtub water had been run to
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  Speaker 5: try and clean up any evidence that was left behind.
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  Speaker 1: The detective interviewed the housekeeper who discovered the body. That morning,
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  Speaker 1: she had been making her daily rounds just after checkout time.
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  Speaker 1: Outside room 119, she spotted a handwritten do not disturb sign. Housekeeping.
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  Speaker 1: She said she didn't clean the room the day before
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  Speaker 1: because she saw the sign and wanted to respect the
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  Speaker 1: privacy of the people staying there. On this day, the
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  Speaker 1: occupants were scheduled to have checked out. When she entered
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  Speaker 1: the bathroom, she made the gruesome discovery. Detectives asked the
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  Speaker 1: motel manager if she knew about the people staying in
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  Speaker 1: room 119. She recalled the man who rented the room
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  Speaker 1: because he requested a do not disturb sign the day before.
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  Speaker 5: They told him he didn't have one. So he paid
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  Speaker 5: for another night and told them at the registration that
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  Speaker 5: he did not want them cleaning his room. He wanted
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  Speaker 5: it to be left alone. Apparently, he went back to
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  Speaker 5: the room and tore off a piece of a phone
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  Speaker 5: book and made his own do not disturb sign, and
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  Speaker 5: he hung it on the door.
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  Speaker 1: The motel manager remembered the same man packing up a
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  Speaker 1: small white car that evening. He had paid for another night,
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  Speaker 1: so she didn't think he was leaving. She warned him
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  Speaker 1: about recent break-ins at the motel and told him not
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  Speaker 1: to leave anything in the car overnight. The detectives checked
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  Speaker 1: the office records, finding the registration card for room 119.
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  Speaker 1: It had Glenn Rogers' name and signature on it. Technicians
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  Speaker 1: would later recover prints matching Rogers from the car. Detective
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  Speaker 1: Masucci ran a computer check and saw the California and
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  Speaker 1: Mississippi murder warrants. She contacted the other agencies and the FBI.
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  Speaker 5: Then we started to realize very quickly into the investigation
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  Speaker 5: that there was a possibility that this man, Mr. Glenn Rogers,
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  Speaker 5: was a serial killer.
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  Speaker 1: The investigators knew who the killer was, but Tampa detectives
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  Speaker 1: still had not identified the female victim. She remained at
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  Speaker 1: the morgue as Jane Doe. If they could identify her...
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  Speaker 1: it might help them find the man who had killed
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  Speaker 1: her and at least two others. In the fall of 1995,
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  Speaker 1: after linking murders in California, Mississippi, and Florida to one man,
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  Speaker 1: the FBI and local detectives searched for accused serial killer,
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  Speaker 1: Glen Rogers. The latest victim had been found in a
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  Speaker 1: Tampa motel room. She was still unidentified. Responding to media coverage,
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  Speaker 1: a woman whose daughter had been missing for two days
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  Speaker 1: came forward. She positively identified the body of her daughter,
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  Speaker 1: Tina Marie Cripps. Tina had two children of her own.
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  Speaker 1: Tina's mother told Detective Julie Masucci about her daughter's last day.
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  Speaker 5: We learned that Tina had worked and that she went
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  Speaker 5: to the Showtime Bar, which is in Gibsonton, and she
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  Speaker 5: met some friends there. She was supposed to meet her
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  Speaker 5: mother there. Apparently it's like a family bar where a
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  Speaker 5: lot of people go and there's televisions in there and
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  Speaker 5: they just go and gather and talk.
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  Speaker 1: Detectives visited the Showtime Bar. The bartender said she knew
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  Speaker 1: Tina and her mother. She confirmed that Tina had been
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  Speaker 1: in the bar on November 5th. The bartender also remembered
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  Speaker 1: that a man named Glenn was there the same night.
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  Speaker 1: He talked with Tina and the others. He bought a
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  Speaker 1: round of drinks with a $ 100 bill. The bartender said
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  Speaker 1: the man was very friendly and won Tina over quickly. Eventually,
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  Speaker 1: he asked Tina for a ride home. He said his
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  Speaker 1: motel room was close and promised Tina would be back
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  Speaker 1: in time to meet her mother. Tina finally agreed and
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  Speaker 1: told the others she'd be right back.
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  Speaker 5: When the mother came to the Showtime bar, she sat
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  Speaker 5: there and waited and her daughter didn't show up. So
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  Speaker 5: she said she started beeping her to find out where
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  Speaker 5: she was. And she said that she had such a
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  Speaker 5: close-knit relationship with her daughter that she immediately knew something
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  Speaker 5: was wrong when she didn't answer her pages.
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  Speaker 1: Detective Masucci also learned that Tina owned a white Ford Festiva,
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  Speaker 1: the same kind of car the Tampa motel manager had
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  Speaker 1: seen Rogers packing with suitcases. She updated the NCIC report
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  Speaker 1: on Rogers, adding the Festiva and its license plate number
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  Speaker 1: to the fugitive's information. FBI Special Agent John Huber was
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  Speaker 1: surprised that Rogers wasn't trying to conceal himself.
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  Speaker 4: Glenn Rogers seemed to not care if he would get
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  Speaker 4: caught or had no fear of the law. He would
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  Speaker 4: always use his real name when dealing with people and
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  Speaker 4: checking into motels. He would drive cars that weren't stolen,
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  Speaker 4: either belonged to the victim, which he could easily be
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  Speaker 4: linked to, or his own vehicle. He didn't seem to
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  Speaker 4: care about If people knew what was happening, he wasn't
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  Speaker 4: trying to hide.
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  Speaker 1: The search for the serial killer hit the news. TV
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  Speaker 1: stations across the southeast broadcast pictures of Rogers, asking anyone
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  Speaker 1: spotting him to call authorities. Hundreds of leads poured into
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  Speaker 1: the FBI. One promising tip came from a Jackson, Mississippi motel.
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  Speaker 1: Two separate callers claimed to have seen Rogers there. Rogers
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  Speaker 1: had been in Jackson previously and was known to frequent
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  Speaker 1: small motels.
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  Speaker 4: We set up a perimeter around the hotel and then
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  Speaker 4: we had an entry team go up to the door.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Police, come to the door. Come to the door with
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: your hands up.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: Come to the door. Be careful.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: We can see you.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Take your hands off the wall.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Agents were cautious until they could identify the man.
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: We identified the person.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: That resembled Rogers and determined that it was not him.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: We then later searched the entire hotel and began searching
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: the hotels in the immediate vicinity, but didn't find him.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: It was very important in this case to apprehend this
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: individual as soon as possible, because based on his history,
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: he was going to continue to kill until he was apprehended.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Authorities were desperate to stop him. The serial killer was
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: out there somewhere, and it was likely that he was
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: searching for his next victim. In the fall of 1995,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: suspected serial killer Glenn Rogers had been last seen in Florida.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: The FBI believed he had murdered a woman there after
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: killing women in California and Mississippi. The FBI soon learned
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: that Louisiana had been his next stop. On November 10th, 1995,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Andy Sutton, a mother of four, was found murdered in
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: her Bossier City, Louisiana apartment. Like two others, she had
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: multiple stab wounds to her upper body and back. The
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Bossier City detective questioned the victim's roommate and former boyfriend.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Andy's roommate was a waitress and had worked late the
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: night before Andy was killed. When she returned home in
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the early morning hours, she heard the bedroom door close.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: She assumed it was Andy and her new boyfriend, Glenn Rogers,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: in the apartment's one bedroom. Blankets had been left on
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: the couch, and so she slept there. After daybreak, she
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: was awakened by someone at the apartment door. Would you
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: tell Andy I'm here? It was Andy's ex-boyfriend. He wanted
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: to talk to Andy.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: I'd still like to see her.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Andy?
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Andy?
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: In the room, she found Andy's body under the sheet.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: She told detectives Andy had met Glenn Rogers in a bar.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: They had been dating for only a few days. Neighbors
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: had seen Rogers leave in a white festiva. Bossier City
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: detectives ran Rogers' name through the NCIC and saw the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: three other murder warrants. They contacted the other police agencies
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and the FBI. Los Angeles faxed a photo of Rogers
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: to be used in the local investigation. Louisiana television stations
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: picked up the story. Viewers were asked to be on
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: the lookout for Rogers, but they were warned not to
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: approach the deadly fugitive. Special Agent John Huber and the
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: other investigators were frustrated.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know it.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Rogers was killing people faster than we could investigate where
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: he was. It was just a kind of a time game.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: and he was killing people faster than we could apprehend him.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: The FBI and local detectives believed Rogers murdered four women
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: in six weeks. After each killing, Rogers had fled the state.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: The locations he chose were random. Despite their best efforts,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: investigators couldn't keep up. They needed to spread the description
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: of Rogers and his vehicle across the country. Agents sent
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: requests to truckers over their CBs to be on the
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: lookout for a white Ford for Steve. They posted wanted
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: flyers in truck stops and rest areas. They held press
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: conferences to get Rogers' photo out to the public. They
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: wanted to warn potential victims and hope someone would spot
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the killer. Through the media, agents released details of Rogers' M.O.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: for finding victims, and the route he traveled. The FBI
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: began the process of adding Rogers to their 10 most
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: wanted list.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Getting someone on the 10 most wanted list increases the
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: amount of resources that the Bureau puts into a case.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: It also increases the amount of media attention that's also
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: worked into a case.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: The tips began to increase. One caller claimed Glenn Rogers
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: was at a pool hall in Mississippi. Two agents responded.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: One of the pitfalls of an intense media campaign are
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: the many false sightings that well-intentioned citizens call in. The
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: man in the bar was obviously not Rogers. The investigators
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: tried to predict Rogers' next move and focus their search.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Special Agent Huber had worked plenty of fugitive cases.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: A lot of times in fugitive investigations, when people are
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: in trouble, they'll go to areas that they're familiar with
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: or associates or friends. In this particular case, Roger's family
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: and friends were mostly located in the Kentucky area, and
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: that's where a lot of our resources were focused.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Authorities in Kentucky received priority teletypes about the fugitive. Kentucky
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: State Police Detective Bob Stevens was already familiar with the
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: name Glenn Rogers. In fact, he'd been looking for him
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: for almost two years. Rogers was wanted for questioning in
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: the disappearance and possible murder of his housemate, 71-year-old Mark Peters.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Almost two years before Glen Rogers' cross-country crime spree began,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: his brother had called the Kentucky State Police. The body
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: had been found inside his family's cabin. Police believed it
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: was Mark Peters. Peters had last been seen with Rogers.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: The cord tied around the corpse's hands and feet matched
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: one found in the home the men shared. Authorities could
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: not determine the cause of death, and they couldn't find Rogers.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: The case is still ongoing and still pending. We had
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: one suspect, which was Glenn Rogers. We weren't able to
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: track Rogers real well due to the fact that he
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: traveled by Greyhound bus, by tractor-trailer, cars. It was hard
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: for us to track him. So we had a hard
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: time trying to know where his next step was.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Still, the investigative focus in Kentucky paid off. On November 13, 1995,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Glenn Rogers visited one of his relatives in Lee County, Kentucky.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: When he left, she called the Kentucky State Police. She
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: said he was driving a small white car heading west
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: toward Interstate 75. When Detective Stevens heard that Rogers was
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: sighted nearby, he set up on the road he believed
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Rogers would take to I-75. It wasn't long before a
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: white Ford Festiva drove by. The detective began following.
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: I wanted to make sure that this was Lynn Rogers,
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: not somebody else that I had actually followed in behind.
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: So I pulled out behind this car. When I ran
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: the car tags, the car tags actually came back stolen.
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: So I began to follow him. I was able to
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: get up, pull up beside him like I was going
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: to pass him. When I looked over, I could see
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: who it was. And the picture I had of Glenn
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: Rogers matched the driver.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: The detective requested backup. A local police officer was parked nearby.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: He joined the slow pursuit. They followed Rogers for a distance.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: I think he was kind of watching me and I
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: was watching him. And I think by then he must
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: have pretty much figured out that he had a police
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: officer behind him. So we pulled up to a stoplight
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: and he ran the stoplight. and pretty much ran some
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: people off the road as he was going through the stoplight.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: I fell in behind him at that time and activated
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: my emergency equipment.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Rogers didn't stop. He sped up.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: He's on to us now.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Stand by.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Several miles ahead, police set up a roadblock and tried
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: to clear the road of traffic. Go, go, go! They
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: hoped this would be the last stop for the elusive killer.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: On November 13th, 1995, Kentucky State Police set up a
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: roadblock in an effort to apprehend suspected serial killer, Glenn Rogers.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Armed officers waited at the roadblock.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: Shoot his tires, shoot his tires.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: They fired at his tires, but they didn't stop the killer.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Detective Bob Stevens was close behind.
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: We followed him down the road. He had run several
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: cars off the highway, ran a school bus off the highway.
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: He was driving on the wrong side of the highway,
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: and so it was determined that he had to be stopped.
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: Sergeant Barnes was able to get up the other side
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: of him, and when he came back, he tapped him,
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: spun him out of the highway, off the highway into
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: a ditch.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: They didn't know if the fugitive was armed.
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: When I first approached the car, and I was one
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: of the first ones to approach the car, you could
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: see that he looked very upset, very aggravated that he
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: was in the custody. He was very defiant and just
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: didn't want to be taken into custody at that time.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: After a two-month killing spree that spanned the country and
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: left four women dead, Glenn Rogers was finally in custody.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: The vehicle identification number of the white Festiva confirmed the
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: car belonged to Tina Marie Cribs, the victim in Florida.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Technicians scoured the car for evidence. They found shorts with
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: blood on them, a blanket, and a woman's purse. These
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and other items linked Rogers to the murders in Mississippi, Louisiana,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: and Florida. The FBI served as the clearinghouse for the evidence.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: FBI agents and detectives from five states met in Kentucky
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: to outline the case. Special Agent John Huber helped plan
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the meeting.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: What they did do was put together all the information
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: that everyone had, share information, and also that the FBI
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: laboratory would process all the evidence in this case so
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: that one agency would have custody of all the evidence
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: and do the analysis.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Agents and detectives agreed that their best case against Rogers
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: was in Florida. Tampa detective Julie Masucci met with detectives
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: and prosecutors to review the evidence. They believe the watch
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: found in the tub with the victim belonged to Rogers.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: A photograph of Rogers with Mississippi victim Linda Price revealed
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: he wore that type of watch. Detective Masucci was confident
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: in her case due to the physical evidence implicating Rogers.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: We had Tina Cribb's car that he was apprehended in.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: We had some shorts that that belonged to him that
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: had some of tina crib's dna on them the registration
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: slip that mr rogers signed himself fingerprints that were found
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: inside of motel room number 119 where the victim was
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: found and miscellaneous items that were found inside of the
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: car when he was apprehended.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: On july 11 1997 Almost two years after the murder
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: of Tina Marie Cribs in a Tampa motel room, Glenn
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Rogers was convicted of first degree murder and later sentenced
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: to death in Florida. Two years later, Rogers was extradited
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: to Los Angeles to stand trial for the strangulation death
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: of Sandra Gallagher, whose body was burned in a truck fire.
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: She poured over the victim's body and in the cab
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: of the truck.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors outlined the victim's final hours for the jury. They
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: showed that Sandra and Glenn Rogers left McRed's bar together
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: on September 28th, 1995. At some point, there was a struggle,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: perhaps as Rogers made an unwanted sexual advance. He strangled her,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: crushing her windpipe. Attempting to destroy evidence, Rogers doused Sandra's
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: body in the truck with gasoline and set it ablaze.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Then he ran. On July 16th, 1999, a jury again
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: found Glenn Rogers guilty of murder. He was sentenced to
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: a second death penalty in the state of California. Los
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Angeles detective Mike Koblenz was impressed by the nationwide partnership
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: of everyone involved in the hunt for Rogers.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: That's really what made this case come together was the
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: interagency cooperation, and not just in Los Angeles, but in Jackson, Mississippi, Tampa, Florida,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: and later, Boise City, Louisiana, the FBI, the press, the
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: different news agencies that were able to get the information out.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: We truly worked together on this, and it came to
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: a successful conclusion down the road.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Since Glenn Rogers already had two death sentences... Louisiana and
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Mississippi prosecutors decided to spare the families of the victims
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: emotional trials. Glenn Rogers left at least 11 children without mothers.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: The importance of stopping him was clear to Detective Julie
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Masucci and the other investigators.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: As a woman, not as a detective, not as a
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: police officer, but as a female, I think that there
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: should be a lot of women that feel safe that
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: he's off of the streets. He had no regard for
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: human life. He had no regard for the feelings of
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: the families that are left behind.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: He didn't care.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: And I'm happy that he's behind bars and I'm happy
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: that he'll never step foot outside of a prison system
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: that he could put other females at risk.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Investigators suspect Rogers is responsible for more unsolved murders. He
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: told family members during his rampage that he had killed
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: dozens Authorities continue to pursue those unsolved murders to close
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: the cases that can be linked to Glenn Rogers.
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: Thank you.