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Devin Jackson on the NFL Draft Combine, Spencer Fano the best tackle in the draft (?), How teams view drills being skipped at the combine... · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: This based the Sean O'Connell Show. You were home of
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  Speaker 1: and ninety two.
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  Speaker 2: One half m.
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  Speaker 3: Our next guest is the sports editor and NFL Draft
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  Speaker 3: insider at the Philadelphia Inquirer. I guess it's been about
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  Speaker 3: a year since we spoke with Devin Jackson, who's kind
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  Speaker 3: enough to join us now on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Devin, welcome again. How are you join?
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  Speaker 4: Greg Shawn. You're at the NFL combine Indieapolis. Just finished
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  Speaker 4: up talking with some prospects, the defensive line and linebackers
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  Speaker 4: before they test tomorrow night. But yeah, I'm happy to
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  Speaker 4: be back. And then, yeah, last time we talked it
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  Speaker 4: was I believe the eve of the NFL Draft there
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  Speaker 4: on Green Bay.
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  Speaker 3: What is the scuttle butt around that particular group of players.
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  Speaker 3: It's linebackers and d lineman who get to run the
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  Speaker 3: drills first, so we'll start to get some of the
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  Speaker 3: numbers on their performances. And we know that this year
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  Speaker 3: is considered kind of a shallow QB class, so that
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  Speaker 3: hasn't dominated the conversation. But our linebacker and d line
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  Speaker 3: consider to be deep in this year's draft.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, very deep. Me look at linebacker to start at
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  Speaker 4: r V Rease and Sonny Stows, both linebackers from Ohio State,
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  Speaker 4: and with r V recent particular, is he going to
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  Speaker 4: play edge rusher? Is he going to play linebacker? Has
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  Speaker 4: been a lot of discussion and a lot of projection
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  Speaker 4: in either spot. Obviously he played more of a traditional
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  Speaker 4: linebacker role with some pass rushing duties and that was
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  Speaker 4: a big topic that people ask him, you know, does
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  Speaker 4: he see himself more as an edge rusher? Does he
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  Speaker 4: see himself more as a linebacker. So that was kind
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  Speaker 4: of the big discussion here early in the morning. Sunny
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  Speaker 4: Styles really talented linebacker for Ohio State as well, more
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  Speaker 4: of the traditional linebacker role former City be converted to linebackers.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, the group is very deep that linebacker this year.
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  Speaker 4: And those guys look at the list. C. J. Allen
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  Speaker 4: from Georgia's right behind them as guys that are at
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  Speaker 4: the top of this class and some interesting guys on
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  Speaker 4: Day two and Day three as well. And then you
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  Speaker 4: look at defensive line, both the as Russia interior different
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  Speaker 4: to line class was you know, heavily, you know, kind
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  Speaker 4: of the group that both groups that are really strong
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  Speaker 4: and talent wise, and you know, I think obviously edge rusher.
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  Speaker 4: You look at David Bailey from Texas Tech is one
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  Speaker 4: of the top guys in this class who've been baying
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  Speaker 4: from Miami and all the other guys as well. You
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  Speaker 4: look at interior defensive line Lee Hunter from Texas Tech
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  Speaker 4: was a guy that a lot of people wanted to
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  Speaker 4: hear from and talk to. Peter Wood's probably the biggest
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  Speaker 4: enigma of the group, a guy that really dominants twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty four, not so much in twenty twenty five at Clemson,
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  Speaker 4: but as a guy that that a lot of teams
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  Speaker 4: are really interested in. So yeah, it's a great you know,
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  Speaker 4: position groups to start off with. You know, three of
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  Speaker 4: the position groups edge rusher, interior defensive line, and linebacker
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  Speaker 4: being some of the shrunks in the class.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought up the alt RVL Reese thing
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  Speaker 3: because he seems like he wants to be campaigning with
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  Speaker 3: teams like, hey, consider me more of an outside linebacker
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  Speaker 3: of an edge rusher. And from a draft standpoint, right,
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  Speaker 3: we know this where you get picked, determines your salary,
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  Speaker 3: determines your signing bonus, and all that stuff. It's uniform
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  Speaker 3: now through the collective barging agreement. But if he's seen
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  Speaker 3: as an edge rusher or a pass rusher, or an
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  Speaker 3: outside linebacker versus an off ball inside backer, that makes
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  Speaker 3: a big difference on your pay outlook over the course
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  Speaker 3: of your career. Do you think that is a big
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  Speaker 3: influence as to why he wants he and his camp
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  Speaker 3: want this to be the way the NFL approaches him.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, And you got to look at the positional
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  Speaker 4: value in that aspect. Like if ro Reis is just
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  Speaker 4: a stack linebacker, he's not in the discussion of go
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  Speaker 4: top three or even go top two. But the fact
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  Speaker 4: that he has some rushing ability, you know, potentially projecting
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  Speaker 4: him to that spot, I think has made the conversation
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  Speaker 4: around him even the more interesting. You know, he's a
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  Speaker 4: guy that coming into the year not a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people knew about and knew about his skill set and
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  Speaker 4: the fact that he was able to do so many
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  Speaker 4: things well for Ohio State, you know, being in the box,
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  Speaker 4: being a guy coming off the edge, being kind of
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  Speaker 4: a QB containing guy. I think it's only made the
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  Speaker 4: interest around him grow. And it's a big part of
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  Speaker 4: the reason that teams want to take him so high
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  Speaker 4: is because he can do a little do a little
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  Speaker 4: bit of both. But obviously there's a fine line, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and you don't want a guy that you know was
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  Speaker 4: kind of the jack of all trades, master of none,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, you don't have a defined position. But
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  Speaker 4: obviously the tape shows that he can play, you know,
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  Speaker 4: stack linebacker. But you know, if you have that edge
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  Speaker 4: rushing versatility to you, you know, can you turn into
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  Speaker 4: a guy like Michah Parsons who plays stack linebacker at
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  Speaker 4: Penn State before transitioning to edge rusher. The same thing
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  Speaker 4: with Dual Carter as well. So if r Vel Reese
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  Speaker 4: wants to go that high, you know, teams have to
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  Speaker 4: feel pretty good about his ability to potentially be a
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  Speaker 4: passwordshow at the NFL level.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's dial it on the local guys here
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  Speaker 3: in the state of Utah, especially the Utes Outland Trophy
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  Speaker 3: winner Spencer Fano. I've seen the several different projections for
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  Speaker 3: him in several different mock drafts, as high as three,
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  Speaker 3: potentially down low in the ten or fifteen range, and
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  Speaker 3: I think maybe most importantly, there does not appear to
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  Speaker 3: be overall consensus on whether or not it'll be him
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  Speaker 3: or Francis Maulinghoa that come off the board first. What
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  Speaker 3: are you hearing in Indianapolis. I'm sure the conversation around
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  Speaker 3: offensive line will ramp up more when their day comes,
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  Speaker 3: But what are you hearing so far about the offensive line,
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  Speaker 3: particularly the tackles.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the Madras kind of mirror what you're hearing.
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  Speaker 4: You know that some teams are really high on spencer
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  Speaker 4: finals ability and ability to play tackle at the NFL
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  Speaker 4: level something maybe he can be a really high guard,
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  Speaker 4: so you know, depending on how a team views him
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  Speaker 4: and his long term output and where he may be best,
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  Speaker 4: you know, five, six, seven years down the line, I
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  Speaker 4: think that that's kind of kind of be dependent on
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  Speaker 4: on how high he goes or you know, how long
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  Speaker 4: he lasts in the first round. But yeah, I think
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  Speaker 4: with Maloa and with Fano, you know, I think they're
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  Speaker 4: both guys that extremely talented, technically refined, you know, really
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  Speaker 4: strong pass protectors, guys that you know are built to
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  Speaker 4: play the position. It's just the fact of you know,
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  Speaker 4: do you see the comfortability with that, and I think with
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  Speaker 4: Fano too, was he weighs in that you know, is
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  Speaker 4: he in that three hundred plus pound range? Is he
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  Speaker 4: in like the two nineties? You know, I think a
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  Speaker 4: lot of that's going to you know, kind of be
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  Speaker 4: a big determining factor in the way that teams are
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  Speaker 4: evaluating him. But I think regardless, you know, whether he's
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  Speaker 4: at tackle, he's at guard, you know, whether he plays
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  Speaker 4: both in his career, I think he's a guy that
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  Speaker 4: you know, has shown on this tape that you know,
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  Speaker 4: not only is he a really strong, solid run blocker,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, a very reliable pass protector and the
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  Speaker 4: recovery ability and all those things that you look for
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  Speaker 4: in a left tackle or right tackle at the NFL level,
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  Speaker 4: And I think he has a skill set to do it.
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  Speaker 4: And you know a big part of that is going
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  Speaker 4: to be, you know, where the measurables come in for
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  Speaker 4: him offensive line wise, and you know, if he does
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  Speaker 4: end up testing, you know where he comes in at.
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  Speaker 3: What about Caleb Lomu, I have no doubt that Spencer
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  Speaker 3: final is going to be a first round draft pick somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: I think that what we know about him when he tests,
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  Speaker 3: he will look fluid at athletic. And the same is
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  Speaker 3: true of Caleb Lomo, who is either in late and
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  Speaker 3: late in first round pick and some draft projections or
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  Speaker 3: maybe early second round.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever.
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  Speaker 3: What are you hearing about Caleb Lomo, the other Utah
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  Speaker 3: offensive tackle.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that everyone kind of talks about the potential.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone talks about, you know, where he can be in
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  Speaker 4: the next three or four years. And ultimately, when you
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  Speaker 4: take in a first round tackle is not about it's
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  Speaker 4: not always about currently where they are, but where they
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  Speaker 4: can grow to be. And he's already a special pass
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  Speaker 4: protector in my opinion. He's a guy that lies on
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  Speaker 4: his feet, you know, athletic, you know, very fluid in
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  Speaker 4: his movements. You know, a guy that I saw start
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  Speaker 4: to you know, even develop it as a run blocker
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  Speaker 4: as well, especially in Utah's run heavy scheme. I think
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  Speaker 4: he's a guy that's going to come out of the
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  Speaker 4: week looking better than he did coming in because I
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  Speaker 4: think he's going to test like an elite athlete and
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  Speaker 4: that's what you need to last on the edge and
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  Speaker 4: especially I left tackle. And I think with with low MoU,
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  Speaker 4: everyone sees the potential, everyone sees what what he brings
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  Speaker 4: to the table. And I think, you know, meeting the
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  Speaker 4: NFL teams, getting in front of uh NFL coaches and
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  Speaker 4: then showcasing the ability you know, at the combine drills
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  Speaker 4: on Sunday is only going to help you know, grow
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  Speaker 4: his stock and kind of submit himself in the first round.
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  Speaker 4: And I always think, Uh, there's always a tackle text,
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  Speaker 4: you know, in the first round of a draft, like
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  Speaker 4: even if you feel like he's not a guy maybe
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  Speaker 4: afraid to play from day one, Uh, he's a guy
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  Speaker 4: that you still take early because of the tools and
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  Speaker 4: all the things that he brings to the table. You know,
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  Speaker 4: from from athletics standpoint.
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  Speaker 3: There's conversation about whether or not, you know, quarterbacks are
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  Speaker 3: going to throw at the combine, And I get it.
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  Speaker 3: The quarterbacks are like the they're the crown jewels of
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  Speaker 3: every draft class.
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  Speaker 2: And but for.
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  Speaker 3: Offensive linemen, defensive linemen, linebackers, whatever, how is it viewed
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  Speaker 3: now by teams when you don't participate in a particular drill.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe Uh, there's conversation about Landerbarton, who's a Utah guy,
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  Speaker 3: maybe not running his forty at the combine and waiting
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  Speaker 3: till Pro day because they know that he'll you know,
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  Speaker 3: turn into better time there. How is that viewed by scouts, teams,
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  Speaker 3: gms don't.
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  Speaker 4: I ultimately think it depends on the team and with
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  Speaker 4: the emergence of like GPS testing and all those different
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  Speaker 4: things that that you can measure the speed of player
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  Speaker 4: and the games being all those different things, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I think I think it comes twofold. Like if you're
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  Speaker 4: a receiver and defensive back that is choosing not to test,
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  Speaker 4: I think that's looked at a little bit unfavorably, you know,
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  Speaker 4: versus like a linebacker, running back, you know, off it's
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  Speaker 4: a lineman, those type of positions, just because I feel
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  Speaker 4: like those positions are more like you know, instinct based,
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  Speaker 4: you know, more feel for the game, all those different
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  Speaker 4: things that you know. It can't necessarily be quantified, you know,
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  Speaker 4: by the measurables or the testing, But I think it
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  Speaker 4: really comes down case the case, you know, when you
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  Speaker 4: look at skill position, like you know, I think even
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  Speaker 4: with quarterbacks, like depending on where you are, like if
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  Speaker 4: you're a guy that is suspected to go high or
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  Speaker 4: could go high, you know, it seems kind of a
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  Speaker 4: normal routine that you know they're going to skip Pro
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  Speaker 4: day or skip throwing at the combine, they issue at
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  Speaker 4: their pro day or do a private workout with an
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  Speaker 4: NFL team. But I think overall, you know, I think
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  Speaker 4: it's looked at more favorably for those non you know,
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  Speaker 4: like BB edge wide receiver positions. But but those those
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  Speaker 4: three positions I think in particular, uh, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: feel like are a little bit more you know, teams
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  Speaker 4: kind of looking at it, you know, with the different
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  Speaker 4: lens of you know, what could they they be hiding
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  Speaker 4: speed wise? You know, are they you know, not fully healthy?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I think more questions come from those position groups.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like every combine we have somebody who kind
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  Speaker 3: of jumps off the screen or the page whatever because
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  Speaker 3: he's surprises with athletic performance, and then everyone maybe goes
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  Speaker 3: back to the tape and says, oh, yeah, why didn't
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  Speaker 3: we know this guy was going to do this? Why
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  Speaker 3: didn't we realize that this was going to be one
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  Speaker 3: of the show the show stoppers here at this combine.
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  Speaker 3: And sometimes people come into the combine thinking like, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: I want to watch this person specifically because I think
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  Speaker 3: they're going to blow everyone away, and maybe they're not
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  Speaker 3: being talked to about by everyone in these NFL circles.
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  Speaker 2: Is there anyone in that category for you?
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  Speaker 3: Is there anyone who maybe you watched them this past
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  Speaker 3: season and you think that they're being overlooked right now,
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  Speaker 3: but this combine might fix it.
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  Speaker 2: Who do you have your eyes on in Indianapolis.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, wide receiver Brendan Thompson from Mississippi State. I think,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's very apparent that he's a guy that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, could you know, blow up the combine. You know,
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  Speaker 4: he is electric speed, you know, a guy that can
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  Speaker 4: stretch the field, extremely explosive player, can create after the catch.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's everything that the modern NFL is looking for,
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  Speaker 4: especially in guys that can be like gadget type players
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  Speaker 4: that can you know, catch those screens and make big
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  Speaker 4: things happen. And you know, when a receiver class is
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  Speaker 4: so deep, you know, every year we kind of have
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  Speaker 4: that conversation. I think Thompson is getting a little bit
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  Speaker 4: lost in that translation and a guy that I think
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  Speaker 4: is just going to absolutely blow away testing and be
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  Speaker 4: a guy that we come out of that. We talking
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  Speaker 4: a lot more are about, you know, maybe end of
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  Speaker 4: day two, early day three, and the player that ultimately
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  Speaker 4: everyone's gonna want because you want a guy that fast,
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  Speaker 4: that that can you know, kind of shift the field,
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  Speaker 4: tilt the field in your favor.
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  Speaker 3: Where do you stand on Fernanda Mendoza. It seems like
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  Speaker 3: everyone just agrees he's going to go number one overall.
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  Speaker 3: I have heard a couple of dissenters say, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he's a great story for college, but I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if you know that personality and that skill set is
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  Speaker 3: going to excel the same way in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Where do you stand on him?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? I think Mendoza is a terroristic player that you know,
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  Speaker 4: just continue to elevate his game, you know from from
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  Speaker 4: transferring from cal to Indiana. Uh, you know, always matches
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  Speaker 4: the moment, you know, clutch all those things that you
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  Speaker 4: look for in a quarterback, accurate plays on time, and
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  Speaker 4: I think for the Raiders for them to feel good
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  Speaker 4: about what he is coming into potentially, you know, it
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  Speaker 4: has to be really aggressive and free agency, you know,
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  Speaker 4: get aggressive in the draft, make sure that he has
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  Speaker 4: enough weapons and protection to last in the NFL. More
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  Speaker 4: than a couple of seasons we've seen quarterbacks come in
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  Speaker 4: and you know, especially with Mendoza's limited mobility, he's a
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  Speaker 4: guy that can you know, create you know, some yards
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  Speaker 4: after you know, escaping the pocket. But it's not really
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  Speaker 4: his strength of his game. So I think you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: have to set him up, you know, whether he goes
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  Speaker 4: to the rais, whether he doesn't go you know, to them,
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  Speaker 4: or and goes somewhere else in the top five or
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  Speaker 4: top ten. They had to put you know, some some
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  Speaker 4: quality pieces around him, both offensive line wise, both as
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  Speaker 4: well as receivers, tight ends all those different things. So
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  Speaker 4: I think for Mendoza would be successful, it's not going
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  Speaker 4: to be just about him getting him in the building,
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  Speaker 4: you know. I think it's gonna be about making sure
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  Speaker 4: that everything around him, you know, is well built and
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  Speaker 4: you know, built for him to last more than a
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  Speaker 4: couple of seasons. Because ultimately, you know, if you're going
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  Speaker 4: to tell a guy at number one overall one, you
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  Speaker 4: want to make sure he's a guy then too he
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  Speaker 4: make sure that he has enough uh, you know, help
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  Speaker 4: around him to really succeed.
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  Speaker 2: Before I let you go.
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  Speaker 3: The Eagles have a certain number of fans here in
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  Speaker 3: Salt Lake City, and there's always a bit of an
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  Speaker 3: off season saga going on with them.
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  Speaker 1: A J.
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  Speaker 3: Brown seems to be at the center of it this year.
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  Speaker 3: What is his future in Philadelphia?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I'm sure the Eagles will hope to
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  Speaker 4: be able to keep them, but I think certainly they're
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  Speaker 4: going to be shopping him and and seeing, you know,
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  Speaker 4: what they can get for him. They're listening to offers
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  Speaker 4: and have already listened to offers. And ultimately, I think
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  Speaker 4: he is a player that you know you are going
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  Speaker 4: to sorely miss if he's now on the roster. But
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  Speaker 4: also you want a guy that you know is ready
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  Speaker 4: to you know, buy in and contribute to the team
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  Speaker 4: and and you know, not become you know, a potential distraction,
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  Speaker 4: you know, for for what's going on and if lean
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  Speaker 4: obviously things really came to head this year and and
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  Speaker 4: I think, you know, there's still part of them that
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  Speaker 4: wants to be in Philly and play for the Eagles.
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  Speaker 4: But also, you know, he's just not going to get
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  Speaker 4: the type of value that I think he wants to command.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's Eagles offense. It is a run first team.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they want to bully teams in their trenches.
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  Speaker 4: And ultimately, I think the way that they're set up
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  Speaker 4: right now, you know, it doesn't necessarily align with maybe
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  Speaker 4: what aj Brown wants, you know, receiving wise and production wise.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I think this is I think if there
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  Speaker 4: is a trade to be made, probably after the draft.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: I don't think he'll come before the draft, but but
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, it's certainly a possibility that he's
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: not in Philly next year.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: Devin, appreciate you giving us some time today. Enjoy the
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: rest of Indianapolis, and yeah, we'll we'll check in again
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: right before the draft, if that's all right.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Thanks so much again.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Devin Jackson, NFL draft analyst and sports editor over at
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: the Philadelphia Inquirer. He is in Indianapolis for the NFL
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Scouting Combine interviews happening today and tomorrow is when linebackers
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: and defensive linemen will start their testing. The rest of
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: the position groups will filter in after that. The Underwear
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Olympics officially underway.