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If I Can See Fine, Why Do I Need an Eye Exam · Wellness In Every Season

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SPEAKER_00: This one is all about eye care, especially related to wellness, because if you can't see, life is a lot more difficult.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Wellness in Every Season.
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SPEAKER_00: We talk all things wellness regarding the environment that you spend a lot of your time in, your physical health, your intellectual health, your financial health, your spiritual health, professional health, your social health, who you have relationships with, your emotional health.
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SPEAKER_00: This is a really big umbrella, so expect all kinds of topics within all of these amazing dimensions of your wellness.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's dive in.
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SPEAKER_00: Today I have with me Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Kevin Jackson, and he is an associate professor in preventative medicine and biostatistics.
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SPEAKER_00: That was a challenging class for me, PS.
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SPEAKER_00: At the Uniform Services University.
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SPEAKER_00: He teaches and runs the residency year in the Masters in Health Administration and Policy Program and is the director of Med Excellence course.
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SPEAKER_00: He is a clinical consultant in the Medical Contact Lens Clinic at the Walter Reed Eye Institute and practices primary care optometry at the Naval Health Clinic Annapolis.
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SPEAKER_00: So he's right in my neighborhood.
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SPEAKER_00: He is the founder of the optometry tract of the military ocular trauma surgery lab.
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SPEAKER_00: What haven't you done?
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SPEAKER_00: By the way.
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SPEAKER_00: This is amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: And he has a lot of research and interest in optomic education, which is why I asked him to be on.
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SPEAKER_00: He's not trying to sell us a book.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not going to be an infomercial.
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SPEAKER_00: This is going to be 30 minutes of you getting questions asked that maybe you haven't even thought to ask.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is something that matters to me because I worked for a year and a half as an ophthalmic tech.
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SPEAKER_00: And it was incredible how many people were coming in, not realizing that you should get an eye exam every year.
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SPEAKER_00: And they were saying that they have diabetes and they haven't been seen in five years, stuff like this.
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SPEAKER_00: So for those not watching on the video, Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Jackson just gave a oh my gosh, look.
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SPEAKER_00: So first of all, welcome.
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SPEAKER_00: I am so glad you're here.
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SPEAKER_00: And thank you for saying yes to me.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Huh.
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SPEAKER_01: It's always a pleasure to have an opportunity like this.
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SPEAKER_00: And I know that with my reach out from out of nowhere, you had that, okay, you're a real person, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And in the world of AI, I totally understand.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's start with the first question.
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SPEAKER_00: And this totally goes with what I was just saying is if I can see fine, why do I need an eye exam?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you should know that when you get an eye exam, you're not just examining your eyes, you're actually getting a health check as well.
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SPEAKER_01: And that help check, they they say the eyes are the windows of the soul.
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SPEAKER_01: I can't speak to that specifically, but I can say that when we look into your eyes, we can see the forward projections of your brain, we can see your nervous system at work, we can see your circulatory system, so your blood vessels.
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SPEAKER_01: Nowhere else in your body can you see these things in plain view.
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SPEAKER_01: And so we have an opportunity to detect things that are not just strictly eye-related, but also can give us an idea of how your whole body is working.
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SPEAKER_01: So not just eye health, not just the clarity of your vision, but also a check for your health.
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SPEAKER_00: You reminded me, I have not thought about this in a long time.
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SPEAKER_00: So I worked for the optometrist back when I was 18.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to tell all of you my age, Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Jackson.
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SPEAKER_00: I just told you before we hit record.
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SPEAKER_00: But I remember this rep.
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SPEAKER_00: He was very nice, older gentleman.
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SPEAKER_00: He by rep he was a contact lens representative.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think he worked for Accuview or one of the hiring brands.
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SPEAKER_00: And he was near retirement and he had the coolest looking eyes.
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SPEAKER_00: And I didn't make a comment to him or my optometrist about it, but afterwards he was talking about exactly what you said how eye health is important and how you need to see the optometrist regularly because you can see so much more.
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SPEAKER_00: And he said, Did you notice his eyes?
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SPEAKER_00: How he had the extra layer of blue going on?
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SPEAKER_00: And I said, Yeah, I thought that that was really cool.
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SPEAKER_00: And he said, That is actually cholesterol.
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SPEAKER_00: And he is going to be in trouble if he doesn't get that taken care of.
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SPEAKER_00: And it just blew my mind.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's if we can get into the into the details there, but your blood vessels get to the edge of your cornea and obviously for the clear part of the front surface of your eye.
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SPEAKER_01: We don't have blood vessels go through it or see red stripes all the time.
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SPEAKER_01: And so as they come to the edge, they blood slows down and deposit.
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SPEAKER_01: And so we have cholesterol deposits.
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SPEAKER_01: If you have high cholesterol, that's easily detected.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so there's so much more there.
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SPEAKER_00: We can talk for 30 minutes just about that, but I'll go on to the next one.
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SPEAKER_00: Can someone have 2020 vision and still have an eye health problem?
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SPEAKER_01: So a good example of this is yes, and 2020 vision is an important marker for us.
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SPEAKER_01: We do use it as one of the metrics of your eye health.
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SPEAKER_01: However, it's not all inclusive.
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SPEAKER_01: So, for example, you can have glaucoma and you can have lost all of your visual field down to pinhole vision and still have 2025.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's a necessary and important thing if you start losing clarity of vision.
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SPEAKER_01: That's that's an important marker.
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SPEAKER_01: But it is not the whole colada.
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SPEAKER_00: I love that.
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SPEAKER_00: And actually, maybe this will go with the side question I'll ask you because I also used to work for a retina specialist.
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SPEAKER_00: And how do you which eye doctor you should see for what and where is the overlap like between all the specialties?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so there's the three O's of eye care.
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SPEAKER_01: There's opticians, and if you need glasses and the manufactured glasses, and and they do do specialty care for patients who have specific issues.
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SPEAKER_01: Then you have your optometrists.
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SPEAKER_01: We're kind of the primary care in the eye field.
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SPEAKER_01: So most patients are going to go see their optometrist for primary care.
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SPEAKER_01: When you get to the point when you need surgery or advanced disease management, we would refer you to an ophthalmologist.
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SPEAKER_01: And the big bright line difference there typically is that ophthalmologists can surgery.
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SPEAKER_01: And as I said, they can subspectualize various areas of disease.
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SPEAKER_00: So what I heard from all of that is start with your optometrist and they will refer to you.
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SPEAKER_00: You need to go.
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SPEAKER_00: Even need to try and remember.
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SPEAKER_00: I love it.
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SPEAKER_00: Anything that can make my thinking easier, that yeah, mental load can be a lot, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And that's for all of us.
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SPEAKER_00: We have so much that we're trying to keep track of in our brain.
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SPEAKER_00: Anything that makes the path easier.
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SPEAKER_00: This goes with the second part of my second question of what conditions can develop quietly before we notice symptoms.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so systemically, diabetes, high blood pressure, some issues that relate to multiple sclerosis to be detected through the eyes without a patient really having any symptoms at that stage.
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SPEAKER_01: So those are three systemic things in the eye, from the eye disease standpoint, we can certainly develop uh tumors in the eye, but we won't necessarily have a uh an impact until later on.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And glaucoma is classic.
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SPEAKER_01: So just as I said, you can have 20-20 vision, start significantly losing field.
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SPEAKER_01: We usually don't start noticing glaucoma until about 60% of our nerve fiber has already disappeared.
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SPEAKER_01: So it is important for us to catch that as early as possible.
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SPEAKER_00: Which is why that awful puff of air is worth it.
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SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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SPEAKER_01: Nobody loves it.
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SPEAKER_01: I can actually show you.
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SPEAKER_00: I always like being on the other side of the machine doing it.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't move for me.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm the worst.
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SPEAKER_00: I am such a blinker.
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SPEAKER_01: Although I will say, if you ever ask them to just put your hand there while they do the puff, you'll notice how extremely light puff is.
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SPEAKER_01: Nobody likes it right there.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: But yes.
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SPEAKER_00: That actually, this is a question I haven't asked, but it rem you totally reminded me of my early training with the optometrist of what are the emergency symptoms for your eye.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, so if you there are a number of things that are, hey, you actually get an appointment, this can wait two weeks, three weeks, fall into that category, or kind of a slow, gradual change in your vision, floaters, I think mild dry eye symptoms, things of that nature.
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SPEAKER_01: Those are kind of let's make it a point.
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SPEAKER_01: If however you have sustained pain in your eye, if you have anything that uh causes a loss of vision, so whether that be visual field or tracks on your visual field, or you have significant loss of clarity of vision, that is to the those two things are obviously to the doctor.
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SPEAKER_01: Flashes of light, we can the back of back of our eye has no pain receptors, our retina has no pain receptors.
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SPEAKER_01: You can only signal the brain through light, signals of light.
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SPEAKER_01: So we can induce if you get hit hard on the head in the cartoon, you can see stars.
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SPEAKER_01: That can be induced.
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SPEAKER_01: But if you without getting hit in the head, you start seeing stars or little flashes of light, that can be indication that your retina is coming up.
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SPEAKER_01: We need to look out.
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SPEAKER_00: Those are some of the primary I remember him saying the flashes of light and something about a curtain.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Most people don't ignore that one.
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SPEAKER_01: That's fairly dramatic.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's any loss of your visual field where I think it's starting to go away.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: Sorry for my computer making noise if any of you caught that.
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SPEAKER_00: That was telling us about the call that we started early, telling me to get on our call that we're on now.
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SPEAKER_00: So sorry.
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SPEAKER_00: Another side question because I know so many people play sports.
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SPEAKER_00: My husband and I are pickleballers, and I'm the naggie wife saying, Do you remember how you got hit in the eye?
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SPEAKER_00: Do you think maybe you should wear your goggles that you now pack in your bag?
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SPEAKER_00: What do you have to say about this as an optometrist?
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SPEAKER_00: Because I know this sport is taking off, and there are so many people other people who are in sports that maybe should wear eye protection and don't.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so we actually we see lots of eye injuries as built through sports.
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SPEAKER_01: And sometimes in sports that you wouldn't even think because they're allegedly non-contact, like basketball, but they're still flying fingers and can easily get an injury.
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SPEAKER_01: One of the things that I would say about this is the military for years made eye protection that looked pretty pretty terrible.
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SPEAKER_01: And so compliance with using them was very, very low.
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SPEAKER_01: One of the things that the major things that we learned in the war on terror was that if we outsourced that to the Oakleys and the Wiley Xs and companies like that, they made eye protection that was very slick and uh cool.
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SPEAKER_01: And all of a sudden people started wearing eye protectors.
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SPEAKER_01: So if you are if you should be wearing eye protection, and you probably do, if there's any suspicion, you probably should be wearing an eye protect.
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SPEAKER_01: Invest in something that you would you would feel comfortable wearing as a as a cool device, as opposed to going getting a five-dollar pair that you're packing your bag, but not putting out.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm already going through that.
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SPEAKER_00: I have, I actually think they're Oakley's, but I get the fog and I've started taking them off, and it's okay, I need to upgrade, but the next upgrade is quite a jump in price, and so I don't really want to spend that.
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SPEAKER_00: So thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: You'll push me over that ledge.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll show you my discussion and look at your mind.
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SPEAKER_00: And it reminds me of what my grandmother said.
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SPEAKER_00: So when my family came back on my dad's side of the family, it's almost Mayflower time period of when when that side of the family came here to the United States.
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SPEAKER_00: All the men were in the military.
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SPEAKER_00: So very military family on my side.
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SPEAKER_00: And I remember her joking about how my grandfather was very attractive when he was younger, still attractive older man.
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SPEAKER_00: He's since passed away.
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SPEAKER_00: But when he came back from basic training, he had birth control glasses.
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SPEAKER_00: So it just made me remember her joking about that.
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SPEAKER_00: She even gave him a look and he was chuckling too.
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SPEAKER_00: And they're normally very stoic people, so this was a top-level joke for them.
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SPEAKER_00: Made sure to show me pictures too.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's probably a bad idea on our part.
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SPEAKER_01: We do issue in the military very unattractive glasses to particularly torrent basic training boat.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's a bad idea because really some of them end up in the drawer instead of being worn.
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SPEAKER_01: But they are controlled glass.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: But it's also the parenting standpoint, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Prove that you can take care of these and I'll get you something better.
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SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So, okay, back to my questions of let me get my microphone out of the way.
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SPEAKER_00: This one.
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SPEAKER_00: I already kind of answered it.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'll ask you the second half of it as well.
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SPEAKER_00: Of how often should adults and children actually have comprehensive eye exams?
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SPEAKER_00: And that means like the full thing.
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SPEAKER_00: And who needs to be seen more frequently because of age, family history, medications, or other risk factors?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, as the fall cube, like you said, if you want to make it simple, manual eye exam is probably the simplest thing to remember.
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SPEAKER_01: One of the things that people don't really think about is generally it's a good idea for six-month-old children to have their vision over their eyes taking a look at.
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SPEAKER_01: Generally, we say six months before starting school, usually before first grade, is about the right time.
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SPEAKER_01: And then once you your eyes are changing rapidly, like most things, childhood.
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SPEAKER_01: So we should be looking at the children's eyes on an annual basis.
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SPEAKER_01: Because they're actually growing and significantly changing it as far as their potential need for glasses.
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SPEAKER_01: Kids are notorious for not really understanding that they have the vision correct.
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SPEAKER_01: And so they can go for long periods of time, years, without noticing that they have blurry vision because that's just the way they are.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's uh that's an important one.
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SPEAKER_01: Generally, when your eyes stop growing in the early 20s, usually we can move to about every two years up until age six or so.
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SPEAKER_01: However, there are a number of things that would move you back to at least annual.
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SPEAKER_01: And that, as you mentioned, are things like systemic diseases like diabetes, any family history of glaucoma.
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SPEAKER_01: So you don't even have to have the disease, just family history would bump up your risk factor.
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SPEAKER_01: If you're a contact lens wear, that certainly is something that uh we need to keep an eye on annually.
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SPEAKER_01: So those are three primary things that would drive you back to the clinic, at least on an annual basis.
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SPEAKER_01: Again, you go on an annual basis, you're less likely.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, folks who are doing every two years, it usually ends up being every four years because you don't really track it at that point.
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SPEAKER_01: So if you're going every year on your birthday or some other center, generally helps people to stay on track.
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SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm the scheduler of that, and it's before we leave the office.
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SPEAKER_00: And for my husband, because he has some of the banker's holidays off where the optometrist is still there, I scheduled that so he doesn't have to work.
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SPEAKER_00: And it makes it a lot easier.
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SPEAKER_00: And you mentioned contact lens because some people are a little more naughty, like me.
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SPEAKER_00: I know the boundaries because I used to work for an optometrist, but I'm still learning.
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SPEAKER_00: There are still things that I was doing wrong that my new optometrist does this.
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SPEAKER_00: So can you give us some of those things?
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SPEAKER_00: If you're a napper in your contacts, do this.
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SPEAKER_00: Give us some of those hints.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so one thing that we don't like anybody to sleep in their land, definitely.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, and the reason for that is because when you're when you're asleep, you actually don't produce tear, which is practical because otherwise you wake up with a wet face.
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SPEAKER_01: And so our tear is containing kind of an antibiotic in order to protect our eyes.
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SPEAKER_01: And so in the absence of that, it's much more likely that we'll develop problems overnight.
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SPEAKER_01: So we typically don't like patients wearing wearing their contact lenses while they sleep.
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SPEAKER_01: If you fall asleep for 15 or 20 minutes during the day, generally that's not going to enough time to make it a problem.
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SPEAKER_01: If you're a consistent daily napper for an hour or two, you generally have to take your lens out.
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SPEAKER_01: But certainly, if you're catnapping, you can probably get away with that.
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SPEAKER_01: But generally, we want to see them out if you're giving any significant advantage.
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SPEAKER_01: The other thing that I reinforce that a few years ago they came out the marketing came out with no rough solution for contact lenses.
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SPEAKER_01: If you are wearing lenses that are not daily disposable, you're wearing more than one dead eight in the lens, then cleaning them is super important.
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SPEAKER_01: But you have to keep in mind that this when you put contact lens in your eye, you're putting it in your body, and that is sitting up against your mucus membranes inside your eye for as long as you're wearing those lenses.
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SPEAKER_01: And so you want them to stay clean and clean.
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SPEAKER_01: And so do spend the time and do when you get your new box with the with the the bottle, and comes with a new lens case.
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SPEAKER_00: This is what you educated me on.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, switch out your lens case.
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SPEAKER_01: Don't get there.
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SPEAKER_00: Switch out until the my contacts are already in the case and the solution empties.
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SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: It's now a I need to put the new case next to the old one.
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SPEAKER_00: So in the morning I'm throwing away the old one, or it's uh maybe I should just switch the whole thing.
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SPEAKER_00: And actually, that brings me to another question that goes along with this.
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SPEAKER_00: If you are getting over a virus, what's the you should do and shouldn't do for this part?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so any upper respiratory tract infection, there is a chance that that particular bug can also grow in the eye.
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SPEAKER_01: And we do tend to sneeze and touch our face a lot during that time period.
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SPEAKER_01: So you just have to be extra cautious.
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SPEAKER_01: You are if you're someone who I treat patients who they don't have their contact glasses because of the corneal disease, they basically can't see.
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SPEAKER_01: So in those cases, you can make you can just be exceptionally careful.
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SPEAKER_01: If you don't have a good backup pair of glasses for your contact glasses, please make sure you get some because you should be able to take a day or two off in order to and still be able to function as anxiety.
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SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And that reminds me of something else I was taught earlier on is you need to make sure you're having a break from your contacts during the day.
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SPEAKER_00: Like when you first wake up before you go to bed.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not the best when I first wake up.
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SPEAKER_00: I put my contact right away.
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SPEAKER_00: But I make sure at night and I notice.
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SPEAKER_00: So if any of you feel like your contact lens solution, you don't like it, switch around.
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SPEAKER_00: Because I notice that I'm more sensitive to some than others.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm also one of those, yay, I produce extra calcium in my tears.
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SPEAKER_00: So I love clear care because it has the peroxide.
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SPEAKER_00: But if you use that, make sure you are not putting in your contacts in too early because otherwise you have the nice proxide.
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SPEAKER_00: Burning in your eyes.
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SPEAKER_00: That's not fun.
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SPEAKER_00: But there is so much there with eye health, and we could talk for probably not even hours, days about this.
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SPEAKER_00: So, what is your last soapbox moment?
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SPEAKER_00: And then the what let rest of the questions, I'll pick a couple and send them to you to answer through email.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so just keep in mind that your eyes obviously are we we live in a very visual world, much more so than a thousand years ago, more than a hundred years ago, and more than one year ago.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, and so you really need to be invested in protecting your eyes because a lot can happen to them.
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SPEAKER_01: And so, as uh as we talked about, eye protection, super important.
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SPEAKER_01: It only takes a split second for you to have an eye injury that will have implications for the rest of your life, as well as routine maintenance is a good idea to coming into to ensure that nothing else is going on, is generally, like we said, a good way of maintaining your health.
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SPEAKER_01: And for you had mentioned something about dry eye before.
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SPEAKER_01: One of the things that we we neglect, you clean all of your skin because it has oil glands in it and can get dirty and things go, we can get clogged glands.
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SPEAKER_01: We also have oil glands in our eyelids to help coat your tear film to prevent that your tears from evaporating.
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SPEAKER_01: And mild pressure on your eyes and your friend here.
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SPEAKER_01: So generally, when you're bathing, make a part of your shower routine or whatever, even if you're not having any issues with dry eye to help prevent that going forward.
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SPEAKER_01: Because it'll help flow through your oil glands that'll help protect your eye.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love this so much.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: And let me read because of where he works.
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SPEAKER_00: I have to read this, and honestly, this should be in every podcast episode.
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SPEAKER_00: Let me find it really quick.
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SPEAKER_00: My microphone is in the way.
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SPEAKER_00: There we go.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So the opinions and assertions expressed herein are those of Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Jackson and of Autumn Carter.
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SPEAKER_00: And they do not reflect the official policy or position of the Uniform Services University of the Health Sciences.
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SPEAKER_00: Sorry, my microphone's in the way.
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SPEAKER_00: Of the health sciences or the Department of War.
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SPEAKER_00: But these are things that are researched and that are, if you stop to think about it, common sense.
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SPEAKER_00: But we are in such a go, go, go society that we don't stop to really think through things like me of hey, just because I use clear care that has proxide that turns into water within six hours, I should still switch out my contact lens case.
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SPEAKER_00: Duh.
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SPEAKER_00: But I'm not stopping to think that.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm okay, these are out.
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SPEAKER_00: What's the next thing on my evening list?
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SPEAKER_00: And usually I'm taking out my contacts when the kids are going to bed because then automatically I'm getting a couple hours with glasses on.
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SPEAKER_00: So they're usually mom, mom, mom while I'm taking out my contacts and doing the what with one contact in and one out.
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SPEAKER_00: And right, stop to think about things.
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SPEAKER_00: If things don't feel right with your body, who do you need to see?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, that's why the importance of the uh I guess keep those reminded.
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SPEAKER_00: And then if we want more eye care data news, where should we look for this?
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SPEAKER_00: Because obviously, you're not one of those where you're an influencer that is on social media.
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SPEAKER_00: Where should we go to have factual knowledge about our eye health besides obviously our optometrist?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so obviously those appointments have a certain length.
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SPEAKER_01: So you can go to either the uh American Optometric Association, puts out public health bullets, as well as the American Academy of Ophthalmology as an ice site that has information there.
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SPEAKER_01: And the National Alliance is a pretty, very reliable and well resources.
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SPEAKER_00: And the first one you mentioned, and I want to put this in the recording, so I'm not editing this part out, is that is how I found the surgeon here in Maryland that did LASIK surgery for my husband because he was on the same board as the retina specialist that I worked for.
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SPEAKER_00: So I went to the retina specialist and said, Hey, my husband wants this, where should I go?
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SPEAKER_00: And he said, Actually, I know someone who's on the same board as me.
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SPEAKER_00: We had just moved here to Maryland.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't know anything.
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SPEAKER_00: My husband had talked about as soon as he graduated from college, he wanted to do this.
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SPEAKER_00: And then he was gonna put it off as soon as he graduated because he's doing something for himself.
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SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
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SPEAKER_00: If somebody is on that board, they are a go-to.
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SPEAKER_00: And for resources, thank you for mentioning all three of those sources because with the field that you work in, you're the best sources.
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SPEAKER_00: So thank you for sharing that with us, and thank you for your time.
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SPEAKER_01: All right, thank you very much, uh.
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