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Izzy N. Griffin | Oliver Tree's Death, Hypersigils, and Sacred Geometry in Motion · My Family Thinks I'm Crazy

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  [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm in a shame, but every time I do, I'll be able to fix some praise to the whole earth.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You opposed alien to reading, to reading the water, this last guy's day.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't have to tell me all these things that they've been surprised.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no escape between any one day.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm on my way through.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going night and night control, there's no crazy babies.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If there's been any ways, but every day's surprising.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And in this book, he discusses the number 333 and how this number relates to this being named Karanzen.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, Karanzen is seen as the harbinger of the abyss.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He is sort of like the being of nothingness.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He is the being of non-being, okay?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's almost like if
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  [SPEAKER_02]: There was, you know, he is the line between nothing and something.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what this, this being is and Crowley actually did a number of, um, a number of rituals to sort of meet with this harbinger of the abyss.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, he set, he claimed to have met him in the middle of this desert and he basically had this like revelation and, you know, experience all this craziness.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Well,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: This number appears in the death of Oliver tree.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He died exactly 333 weeks after Kobe Bryant died.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a ton of other correlations with Alistair Crowley, Alistair Crowley.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You just heard today's guests who joined me, Mystic Mark, here on the My Family Things some crazy podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, if you're tuning in and enjoy this conversation with Izzy and Griffin.
• 2:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to my family.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think some crazy podcasts back from my antique hiatus, spending my time all over New England, sorting through junk and meeting some very interesting people who...
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe on the show soon, but until then, I've got a great list of guests.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Today's guest is no different.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He is one of my favorite, uh, reoccurring guests that we have here on the my family.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Think some crazy podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: His name is Izzy Griffin.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Izzy and Griffin on YouTube.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's got a channel devoted to his music.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's got a channel devoted to
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really fascinating research that he does and if you want to go a step further, you better sign up for Patreon because that's where you get the good stuff, the uncensored stuff that you know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, take it away, but Izzy, welcome back, brother.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's always on the show.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, man.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, good to see you.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Good to talk to you.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited for this one.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It'll be good.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Patrons where it's uncensored.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's hot.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's heavy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm coming in to ask with the type of content without like we were just talking before the air.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You have run into situations where certain videos are not just, you know, flag the way maybe a normal YouTube video might be flag.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: you've received essentially cease and desist orders for certain videos in other words, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So, so this is the thing that's like really crazy.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'll be honest like,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: being a fan of comedy for as long as I was, I really did study the way that different podcasts and different people did their platforming with their content.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like taking mental notes from even shows like Calm Town, Matt and Shane, all of these different things, because a lot of the stuff I liked was really silly and uncensored, but certain platforms wouldn't really,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: push it, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so I kind of took that note because in my, the way I look at these things is like, I think it's better to have a super quality product that might not have as brought of a reach, but it is really impactful to ever is listening, right?
• 4:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that approach and the way I kind of segment things has really been working for me, especially because Patreon to me is kind
• 5:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Certain people don't really know about it and not everybody is willing to go to the Patreon, which I think is good because a lot of this content and as we're going to talk about in this episode, it can really challenge people's ideas of what reality really is and it can come I've seen like quote unquote true through conspiracy stuff like
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  [SPEAKER_02]: really like like honestly like ruin people's lives if they like go too crazy with it and I'm sure you've seen the same thing And the example I kind of want to talk about is like I did this video and it was called into the arms of Malach the federal friends of Kurt Cobain and in this video I did all of this research Going into Kurt Cobain's personal life where I found out that from his like teenage years
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That gets really crazy like he like there's the front man for this band called Earth and you know his father works for whatever Like the Department of Defense and then you know, it's all of these really crazy ties to like feds forever with Kurt and so You know, I did that video and It was up for quite a while and the crazy thing is is it went super viral on Instagram the promotional real I did for it
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and one day I get an email and it was super late at night, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It was at like midnight.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So somebody was peering through this video and I received, you know, there's copyright claims on YouTube as you know, there's like strikes.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: There's different kinds of things.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I received a DMCA.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: that was not a warning in it was the DMCA basically said you need to remove this video because there's copyrighted photo in this video and if you don't remove the photo you will receive a strike and the video will be deleted anyways.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So my option was basically delete the video and don't get a strike or keep it up and you'll get a strike in the video, it will be deleted either way.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I looked into this and basically what somebody did was somebody had a lawyer actually go and contacts YouTube that I was using copyrighted material.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So here's the thing.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: because of the way that I do my content, I never use anything that's copyrighted because I know exactly like what I said at the beginning of this platforming certain things will get it taken down and I want that quality to hit every time.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so I peered through this video over and over and over and it turns out that a screenshot
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  [SPEAKER_02]: of a Google summary that I included had a part of a copyrighted photo in it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So it wasn't like I used a photo, it wasn't like I used a video.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It was a screenshot of a Google summary that had part of a copyrighted photo in it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So, and I actually have never talked about this part publicly, and what's crazy is, I looked into this photo and the photographer, and this photographer has taken photos of Courtney Love, like, behind the scenes in tons of debt concerts, and they go back, all this lady's catalog is tons of pictures of Courtney Love.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So, I assume that
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Courtney Love saw the video, did not like it, and then was like, how can we get this taken down?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: To take this a step further, I recently made friends with somebody who used to kind of know Francis Bean Cobain, who was Kurt Cobain's daughter, and
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  [SPEAKER_02]: They were like Instagram friends.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: This person runs a certain kind of clothing brand.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like a girl clothing brand, like girly, like they, you know, whatever.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And they had become friends through that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: the court.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, how do I say this?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: France is being had saw that the girl had liked the video that I made promoting this real and she unfollowed the girl and like stop talk.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Like they're not friends anymore.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Because of this video that I made, my point is is that people are absolutely watching and they definitely know and they are definitely
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  [SPEAKER_02]: not liking what i'm doing and my whole thing is is if i was a crazy guy on the internet and i wasn't right and i wasn't making some sort of legitimate claims they wouldn't care right like wanting this thing silenced adds a whole other dimension to it that makes it a little more interesting sorry that was like a three five minute diatribs sorry
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's what we're looking for on this show.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But again, I feel like that, you know, checks all the boxes for me as a podcast host.
• 10:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's one of the most ubiquitous, you know, aspects of our cultures, music, and so few people really look beneath the surface.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even
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  [SPEAKER_00]: One or two layers deep, there's issues.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're going much further than that and revealing that such as feds, but, you know, programs, maybe things darker than that, but programs, you know, to finish that point, programs designed to manipulate,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: our choices, as U.S. citizens, as consumers, you know, if you want to look at the light and fluffy side of it, oh, they just want us to buy Pepsi or buy Coke, but, you know, we both know, there's a much darker aspect to psychological manipulation and the networks of people who not only benefit from that, but, you know, have
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  [SPEAKER_00]: put a lot of money and resources into keeping the systems in place that they've designed to psychologically manipulate us.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And music is one of the most convenient ways to do that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So when you start looking around, you dig around a little bit.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're going to find some strange things according to, you know, what the average person believes.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But by now, I mean, all this stuff is commonplace to you, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's par for the course when you go and looking someone's background and they're like, oh, shit, you know, this this connection here to this person here to this war here or this politician here, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's it's not that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: difficult to see why, once you start making the connections, I mean, would you agree that the psychological manipulation is one of the main imperatives of why we see this kind of shadowy network behind the scenes and you'd be free?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, 100%.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, I'm at this part with like this entire journey and it kind of makes me really sad in a lot of ways because
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's such manipulation going on that people, they become eroded because of it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like doing what I do or, you know, any kind of.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: person who does the things that I do in this kind of way, I truly am like trying to enlighten people as to what the music industry really is.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So they understand what they're consuming and what they're taking into their subconscious, right?
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: So here's my whole thing and I've said this since today one.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really care what anyone's provocative or their thing is.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like subversion.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's my whole thing.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like the way that black Sabbath and Ozzy kind of did their thing.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: To me, that is
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  [SPEAKER_02]: not as bad as someone like Jay-Z, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Ozzy is telling you what Ozzy is, you get it, okay?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Even when you look into it behind the scenes and it's like, okay, well, Ozzy doesn't really have anything about his past that is weird, but you look into his wife, Sharon, there's this whole thing with her father and all these things, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So my whole thing is like, if you are just what you are and you're just shooting straight, that's cool.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: monster that has all of these nefarious intentions and everywhere you look there is a slight of hand someone knows someone and all these things and what I've been noticing is it's gotten so deep that
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, like you're saying, this stuff is commonplace, now people don't trust anything for any reason no matter what.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's actually become a tool that not only the music industry, but, you know, quote unquote, the occult and all of these kind of nefarious
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really know people, programs, corporations, religions, whatever.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: They're using that as a tool now because now nobody knows who to trust or where to look because everybody thinks everybody's trying to get everybody and so when someone actually has a good intention, that gets dragged into, you know, that becomes something that people question now because everybody else
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  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, has some sort of weird intent, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I'm seeing a lot now.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, perfect example.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: There's um, we familiar with Joe Fells at all.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah, Joe Fells was a, he was a, like a content creator, I guess, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And he just passed away, like last week, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And he was doing this like off grid living solar panel, like kind of like this like off grid stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He was living in a camper, showing people how to make solar, like battery stuff really cool, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I followed him because of that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was awesome.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Turns out he ended up, he started uploading these videos where he was taking these bibles from the 1800s and he was like, man, these are rare bibles and there's stuff in these bibles, people haven't seen, there's the apocrypha, there's all these maps,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: and he was getting his audience really excited about these old ancient books, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And he was going to start this library.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He was going to start uploading all of this stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Me too.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry to cut you off, but I'm just going to go ahead.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: a bell just rung in my head.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Is this the same guy that was selling like, or talking about maybe not selling, but talking about like these Mexican statues, alien statues, and yeah, there are these live streams where he'd be like, check out these alien statues, and there's like a guy clearly doesn't speak English, kind of like nodding along, like, yup, look, this is from aliens, and he's like, see this guy agrees, and guys like, yeah, see, alien.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, so I know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So what okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Bibles.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry to cut you off.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: No, you're fine.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So he was he was amassing this collection of these rare bibles, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And they're all from the 1800s, all these things.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I followed Joe Fells in the beginning because when I was going through COVID, right?
• 16:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I was trying to build like an off-grid van.
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I used to go camping.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's so funny because I say like I go camping.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I really was just an alcoholic and I would take this van to like the middle of nowhere.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I would just get drunk and pass out in the back of it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But I was trying to turn it into like a cool thing, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so, um, so that I followed him like years and years back.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: well he started uploading these quote unquote rare books and i kind of like i personally saw through it right away because a lot of what i talk about is not just uh... you know like the music industry stuff but i talk about the occult and and as a terracan i i research a lot of these old books i like read parts of them and and i quote them and all these things and i'm looking at these bibles that i'm like these are not really rare they're old but they're not really that rare
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so the Bible thing with him turned into what you're talking about.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He's getting people from Costa Rica who are bringing him the statues that like somehow we're able to light up light bulbs that were like attached to, you know, it turned into this thing that to me just seemed kind of very like not
• 17:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't know, it just didn't see it seemed like it kind of silly.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, um, I remember, um, when the, when he was focusing particularly on the, what he was calling alien statues or some sort of, I don't know alien relics maybe was the term he was using, I sent him a DM and was like, let's do a podcast about this.
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And in typical scammer fashion, you know, he was like here and there and that why this is why I can't right and it's like doing this almost 600 episodes I've reached out to at least a couple hundred of people hundred people who have turned me down and probably more right so I got to get a feel for why people might.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: be turning me down and that, you know, shows not huge.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not Joe Rogan.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I get why people are going to turn down the invite.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But with him, it felt like, I don't know, there's something else going on here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's, yeah, it's, you know, it's deepening the
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I guess authentic research that is available online when this stuff becomes popular, like you have a guy like Joseph P. Ferrell who's putting out what we can suppose is maybe authentic to him.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's not doing this just for money.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's writing these books because he's actually an intelligent person who's
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, curious about these things and then right, he may be wrong.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He may be right, but he's doing this for authentic purposes, right?
• 19:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: This guy Joe Fells clearly nothing authentic about him is kind of just of what I hear you saying.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Is that kind of what you're saying?
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, here's what I'll say.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I ended up like, so he was going to do this, this library, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: The books were going to be scanned and uploaded to the, quote unquote, fellas library.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So he was amassing all of these books, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And it wasn't just Bibles.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So he ends up passing away last week, which is super tragic, unexpected.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, all these people are saying he was killed because he was going to upload these bibles and he was uploading this information that was nowhere on the internet and it was super rare in all of these things.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So I started looking into it and I broke down.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He had videos where he read the titles of every book he had.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So I looked into each and every one.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: All of the, almost all of the Bibles he had were Bibles that were, they're called Dua remiss Bibles.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a specific translation from the mid 1500s from the Latin Vulgate.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: They're a particular kind of Bible and they mostly print family Bibles.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So because their family Bibles, they have intricate artwork on the insides of them.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: these bibles have been the same.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: They print the same translation.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's all the same.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Different, some parts like maybe the artwork and stuff might be different from the year to year, but they've been printing these since the mid 1500s.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm immediately like, okay.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it's a situation where Joe didn't know what he had, or if he was kind of trying to pull the wall over people's eyes, that's not fair for me to say, I don't know.
• 21:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: But here's what I was able to find.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I was able to find every book that he claimed to have had on the internet already fully scanned and uploaded.
• 21:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: that to me that was like I don't really I kind of didn't get it and the thing is is like all these people were like he was killed and none of it makes any sense these bibles were super rare but on the other hand I could like find all of these
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  [SPEAKER_02]: immediately, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So he was never able to finish the library.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So I compiled a list with all the PDFs.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He claimed that one of the Bibles he owned was a quote unquote Bush family Bible, which like the Bush family, like he didn't explicitly say that it was owned by HW or whatever, but he insinuated that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But then when you open the Bible on
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  [SPEAKER_02]: the inside of it, it says owner, uh, De Demia Edwards.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, that's weird.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So what I did was I went and I found Abraham Lincoln's family Bible with the Bible that he was sworn in on and is inauguration, like that scanned and uploaded to the internet.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: There are Bibles from the 1600s scanned and uploaded to the internet, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Like all of these things are readily available and they exist.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so what I'm seeing happen with this, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Whether or Joe had good intentions or not, I don't know, right?
• 22:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was able to find everything.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But here, but my bigger point here,
• 23:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: is that what's happening is I made a video basically saying like hey this thing with Joe Phels is kind of weird and I found all the books and I finished the library for him and what you have is you have people then calling me a shill.
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: because I found out that maybe some of the things that he's saying aren't necessarily what they appeared to be.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So my point is, this is become a greater narrative, and it's actually become a tool for the people who are trying to actually trick people and and shroud these things, because what I then found out
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: With the Joe Fels guy, he had freemasonic tattoos all over his body on his back.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had the pillars of Yacim and Boas, and Yacim and Boas are the two pillars that, you know, were in front of Solomon's temple.
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: So there's all of these, like, he also had the caduceus, which is the tattoo for Hermitrize Magistus, meaning he basically believed in the hermetic principles and he understood and knew what they were.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: He also had a Knights Templar Cross tattooed on his side.
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now I've seen people report that there are checkerboards on top of the, the cross, and that's the frame, they weren't checkerboards
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Celtic braids, so that's a little, that one's kind of a reach, so I'm not really going to, you know, but it's just all of these things where it's like, okay, freemasonic tattoos, kind of, I don't believe the relic thing personally, like alien relics, really cool.
• 24:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: What are we doing here?
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Bible thing, so there's all of these things that point to either, at the very least, in consistences,
• 24:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: They want the truth.
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: They want, they feel like something is not right.
• 24:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: They feel like there's something a mess in reality in and of itself.
• 25:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: So many things are being lied about from the obscene files to whatever else, right?
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: So people who COVID without you now and so all these things are going on and now people feel more lost than they did before because they thought this guy
• 25:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's definitely, you know, a snowball effect, especially when somebody you as, you know, almost a million followers on Instagram probably more than that across all the platforms.
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 25:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a strange thing to see someone like that pass way.
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't
• 25:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: say that that person was ally, you know, anybody can get a free Masonic tattoo, it's not like the tattoo artist is going to like ask you if you're actually a part of a lodge, you know, if you pay the right amount of money, I'm sure you could just get that art on your body, but it is strange, it is strange considering all the things see the way that I look at it is, it's like if you were to get
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, across, and then if someone asks you a Christian and you're like, whoa, dude, I'm not a Christian.
• 26:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's like, well, we have a cross tattoo, right?
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, because the Freemus on a tattoo is that he had, the Yakim and Boez are basically the duality of Freemasonry.
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the dark and the light, you know, the, it's a certain level to where it's like, you're kind of,
• 26:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: you're kind of initiated in my opinion, right?
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, if you had like the g, you know, the little freemasonic g with like the little thing, that would be like, okay, maybe.
• 26:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: But to me, I see that as a certain level.
• 26:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Same with the caduceus, where it's like, because there is the caduceus, which, you know,
• 27:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: to me that like shows like if you know who Hermes tries magistices that's a certain level of initiation in my opinion and what furthers this is he has videos where he's talking about he he's displaying internal freemisonic documents
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: where it's like he has all these little pamphlets from Freemasonry and then the entire video he's like, I think these Freemason guys might not be half bad and he's like his Freemasonry really that bad and he's giving these speels about Freemasonry that are not like, you know, I've been doing this a very long time.
• 27:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can tell when someone is relaying information they know and I can tell when they're doing information they're reading and I can tell when it's information they've just read.
• 27:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was giving speels of like he he he he he knows what this is and he's also alluded to and said in the past his father was a free mason and all these things one of the one of the actual One of the actual like orders I guess or levels of free masonry is you actually
• 28:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: offer your children up as a, not necessarily a sacrifice, but you're using your bloodline as sort of an offering to further yourself through society, which is something that's really great.
• 28:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting story about that.
• 28:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I met this person who does astrology.
• 28:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: She's like a famous astrologer.
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I have a friend who we were speaking with this astrologer, and she was able to like, she asked this person, like, is your grandfather like this certain thing?
• 28:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: And she was like, oh, yeah, but basically, long story short, she was able to know that this person's like great great grandfather was like a part of some free Masonic lodge based on the energy that this person had because they like do this weird thing where they like sell their soul of their, you know, whatever their great great grandson or something so I don't know there is some sort of lineage.
• 29:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: ask things going on there that I don't know.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that that adds a whole another level to it.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like a pack to make that your bloodline, your your spawn, if you will be, you know, as, you know, allied with this organization as you are.
• 29:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 29:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like a sort of family family tradition, you know, we're all family matter.
• 29:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, yeah, no, go ahead.
• 29:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
• 29:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was just going around out that point about Joe is, you know, obviously any time someone passes away, we don't want to speak ill of them, you know, my, my
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: respect to their friends and family and all that good stuff, but at the same time, when somebody is promoting this kind of, and again, it's hard to say, but with a lot of this stuff,
• 30:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know particularly what he was looking for in those old family bibles.
• 30:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Was it did I have anything to do with tartaria?
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is that kind of what you're?
• 30:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see, you know, and that's the thing too.
• 30:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not like trying to like disparage this person.
• 30:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I had a conversation with him about solar panels and stuff like years ago, like he's very nice.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not like, you know, my whole thing is just like, I think we need people need to like be in
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: All of these things are readily available online.
• 30:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a tragedy and all this stuff.
• 30:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: But do we really think that there was some like concerted effort by like the government or by like free-masons to like get this person, like, you know, at a certain point, it's kind of like, all right, dude, like I don't know, right.
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but.
• 31:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, what was the question again?
• 31:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just trying to get a clear picture of who this person was, so that I could make a sort of, I don't know, point about it and move on, but yeah, it's just interesting to be.
• 31:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, Tartari, yeah, so.
• 31:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if people, I think there was some people who were interested in the maps and the Tartaria stuff, but there was this whole like angle of people that were interested in the fact that the Bible's mentioned Palestine, and they called that region Palestine, which
• 31:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's like what it was called before it was established as Israel.
• 31:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a ton of different disputes over the land and all these things.
• 31:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, you know, when Christ was alive, it was called Judea.
• 31:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it became a Roman province, right?
• 31:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: And before that it was the land of Canaan.
• 32:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it was the Canaanite.
• 32:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, you know, the maps change what people call certain areas change.
• 32:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And people thought that that was like him fighting against Israel and there's that whole layer of it, but it's like, you know, that stuff is all on the internet as well.
• 32:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, it just, it gets very convoluted and the thing of that I'm wondering is like, okay, like, let's say he does upload.
• 32:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: the Bible stuff like what information would be in those that we don't already have, right?
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like we know about Tartaria.
• 32:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: We know about all of these things.
• 32:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: We know that there was text books from like the early 1900s that say the Earth is flat.
• 32:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like we already know the, like I don't really know what it could have added to the conversation that is necessarily different.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And once you jogged my memory, and I thought about seeing his Instagram live, where he was, you know, trying to drum up some sort of attention for what we're clearly replicas.
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would say, you know, and, and it's just to me,
• 33:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: karma is a powerful thing.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if he was doing something to trick people, you know, maybe that had something to do with his quote unquote mysterious that if it was mysterious or not, you know, it's hard to say, I don't know the specifics.
• 33:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to get into the specifics, but anytime somebody passes away, who has any sort of no-ability online,
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: There is, you know, irrational or rational sort of kind of theorizing that goes on.
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And oftentimes it spirals into craziness, sometimes it's well-placed, but with this Joe Fells, maybe it's too early to tell, but with Oliver Tree,
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Immediately when he passed away, people were, you know, I'm in out of the woodwork with different theories about, you know, how and why and what exactly happened.
• 34:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe we move on and get into that because I know this kind of hits your personal forte and, you know, that he was a musician and kind of an interesting
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: character to begin with, not exactly like an industry kind of person, right?
• 34:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: From what I've heard, he seemed like he was kind of more of an independent player in the industry.
• 34:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 34:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, funny enough, these things actually perfectly relate.
• 34:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, it's a perfect segue, actually, because when it comes to Oliver Tree's death,
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: There is certain aspects of it that have revealed themselves through like numerology, right?
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if you look to different kind of schools of thought within the occult or within esoteric up, certain numbers correspond to certain beings or certain deities, right?
• 35:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: particularly like Alistair Crowley, who really is kind of like the father of contemporary, quote unquote magic, and the occult, because he kind of synthesized a ton of different ideas, he actually had a book called Libur333, book333.
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: And in this book,
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: He discusses the number 333 and how this number relates to this being named Caronson.
• 35:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, Caronson is seen as the harbinger of the Abyss.
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: He is sort of like the being of nothingness.
• 35:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: He is the being of non-being, okay?
• 35:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's almost like if
• 35:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was, you know, he is the line between nothing and something.
• 36:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what this, this being is.
• 36:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Crowley actually did a number of, um, a number of rituals to sort of meet with this harbinger of the abyss.
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, he set, he claimed to have met him in the middle of this desert.
• 36:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he basically had this like revelation and, you know, experience all this craziness.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well,
• 36:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: this number appears in the death of Oliver Tree.
• 36:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: He died exactly 333 weeks after Kobe Bryant died.
• 36:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a ton of other correlations with Alistair Crowley.
• 36:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Alistair Crowley had these rituals in this book.
• 36:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: He calls the book of lies.
• 36:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now,
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: The book of lies in and of itself is a book of nothingness.
• 36:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is a book that is sort of like almost like the literature equivalent of what Karan's in this being would be, right?
• 37:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So to Crowley, essentially language in and of itself was a lie because in order to
• 37:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: explain the spiritual quote-unquote noses or pure knowledge that you attain spiritually to even put it into words is a lie because the words cannot possess the actual intricacies and our nateness that a spiritual revelation would have.
• 37:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what the book of lies is about.
• 37:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: And in the book of lies he discusses the ritual of Sapphire and the ritual of Ruby.
• 37:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you look to all of the clothes, all of her tree wares, he's always wearing an iteration of Ruby and Sapphire.
• 37:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's always a shade of red or purple and a shade of blue, every single time, or there's some combination of it, right?
• 38:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so
• 38:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I really started looking into this Oliver Tree thing because I'm like, okay, this number three, three, three is appearing a ton.
• 38:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's this strange correlation with Crowley and all of these things and what I noticed when it comes to the death of Oliver Tree, it was the same exact thing as what was happening with Joe Fells, where
• 38:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: The truth almost seems like a lie to certain people.
• 38:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And people are spinning these narratives of whatever they want about these things and these people and these individuals.
• 38:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And none of it is like making sense.
• 38:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like pure chaos, which is exactly what Karan's and does.
• 38:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Karan's and basically opens false rabbit holes and sends you down it.
• 38:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then what will happen is you'll be making all of these connections
• 38:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: connecting and it's creating a real map, but really it's just a web of lies, which is like that's literally what Karan's and the deity does, because things like language and things like trying to even logically map these things out, trying to reason these things are
• 39:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: not they're not correspondant with the actual like spiritual dimensions that are actually going on.
• 39:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: So when it comes to Oliver Tree, what it happened was he was signed to Atlantic records and he was having issues with his label and they really were kind of, you know, at odds.
• 39:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, what ends
• 39:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, mind you.
• 39:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: All of her tree is sort of like the prototype of a quote unquote TikTok music star.
• 39:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you look at all of her trees catalog, if you look at the way he did things, he really revolutionized the sort of contemporary, and it's kind of becoming dated a little bit now.
• 40:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: But he was like the guy who,
• 40:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Figure it out like how to get a song in a TikTok reel like in a reel, you know, it's like a 30-second clip There's something super entertaining.
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's wearing the big costume and then when I make a video I'm gonna use that song and it becomes a trend and all of these things, right?
• 40:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he really kind of started that revolutionized that and
• 40:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Atlantic losing him is is a huge deal because he really is this massive perver for this new component of the music industry right we used to have radio then we had MTV now we kind of have this and you know so he leaves this label he leaves Atlantic and then immediately after leaving Atlantic records
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: He starts talking in coded language about pizza and talking about trafficking and I went through his catalog.
• 40:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: He has a music video with the island boys who are rumored to have been subjected to Epstein and Epstein Island.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, there are photos that
• 41:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: They might be real.
• 41:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: They might not be real.
• 41:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, we're talking about, you know, being and on being truth and lies, it could be real, it could not be real who knows.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: But he had the island boys play characters in this music video where they're robbing a pizza store.
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And there's all these illusions to pizza.
• 41:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had four reals uploaded that were all in Spanish, and they were warning children to not take candy from strangers, and strangers are going to try and take you, and they're pizza men.
• 41:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's Mr. Pizza, what was the character in these videos who was stealing these children?
• 41:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then it goes so far.
• 41:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: It actually follows the story of Mr. Pizza getting arrested.
• 41:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the court's just letting him off because he's Mr. Pizza and he has pizza friends.
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like a full illusion to like what's happening with pizza gate human trafficking.
• 42:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm seeing this and I'm like this dude left Atlantic two weeks ago.
• 42:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now he's making videos about pizza gate.
• 42:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he's also, he was in South America.
• 42:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was in South America, literally talking to a South American audience.
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you look at the Biden administration, there was 400,000 missing children during the Biden administration, most of which from South America.
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we have all of these things kind of coming together.
• 42:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're all coalescing.
• 42:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: He even did something I thought was really interesting where he wore kiss makeup during his announcement that he left his label.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was, he had face makeup like Gene Simmons.
• 42:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you look at the manager of kiss,
• 42:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: his name is Doc McGee.
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Doc McGee was arrested in 1982 for the biggest drug bust at the time in the history of the United States.
• 43:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was using bands to traffic drugs throughout the world internationally.
• 43:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Motley crew and this is like obviously early 80s.
• 43:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Motley crew wasn't around But Doc McGee managed Motley crew.
• 43:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: He managed kiss.
• 43:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: He managed John Bon Jovi He managed tons of people he was caught with 40,000 pounds of marijuana and he was trafficking it from where
• 43:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: from South America.
• 43:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was trafficking all these drugs to South America.
• 43:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: This furthers.
• 43:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: We look at bad bunny.
• 43:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: We look at Venezuela.
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bad bunny.
• 43:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: His management team and the people who run his entire organization, they're from one of them is from the Venezuelan government and used to be a drug dude.
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: So this is like in my opinion he's wearing the kiss make up to signal.
• 44:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: hearts of what's going on behind the scenes, and this is something I've been saying forever because you know what, when I was in my band in, you know, ten years to go or whatever, when we got our management deal,
• 44:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was with McGee the entertainment.
• 44:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I looked into all of this stuff at the time, and I'm like, holy shit, this guy's a fucking drug dealer.
• 44:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then suddenly, I don't have a management deal anymore, and my band is out because I used to drink, and I'd be like, this is fucking bullshit, I wear like whatever.
• 44:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that he was signaling these things once he was independent.
• 44:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he knew that this was like, yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
• 44:40
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• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and with that kind of, you know, signaling, it's like, yeah, clearly he was catching on to something and that's crazy to think that, you know, and then 333 days away from
• 47:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: the other very notable, I mean, relatively much more notable, but still, you know, in this day and age, TikTok is huge.
• 48:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: So just the fact that Oliver Tree had, you know, some sort of gambit on TikTok, or he could use it to his advantage.
• 48:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's equivalent in some ways to Kobe Bryant in the sense that for a music, you know, monopoly, they're going to want to, they covet that kind of thing that, you know, they're going to want to let something like that slip through their fingers that kind of cloud, right?
• 48:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, without.
• 48:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: anything I think the audience can read between the lines as to maybe what was going on there.
• 48:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, with all this illusion to pizigate, do you think this stuff about Antarctica might have been a distraction or was that just another one of his pursuits of truth?
• 48:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think so, so here is what I think Oliver Tree was and I think Oliver Tree
• 49:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: He kind of almost, no, I don't know if he studied the lemma.
• 49:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really know, but he definitely
• 49:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: there are some people who unknowingly kind of embody a cult ideology and they kind of are almost this like an embodiment of like quote unquote the occult it's really weird like I did a video on Chris Chan recently and Chris Chan he just like put out all of these things and he was like doing
• 49:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: like actual quote unquote magic without really knowing it and so it's like very weird and I think that's kind of what was going on with Oliver Tree either he knew or he didn't know regardless he's embodying this like book of lies where what he would do is he would say truths in a joking manner and so
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: it's kind of like the gesture's privilege right where it's like the gesture can tell the truth to the king because he does it in a funny way to where the king takes it as a joke but it's the truth and maybe the king will come around to you know thinking about the thing the gesture has said because it's done in a silly way.
• 50:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 50:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like Oliver Tree, he went down to Antarctica and he was talking about, you know, the Antarctic wall and he was talking about tunnels going into the wall and flat earth and all of these things what I do know is he was on a seven day cruise.
• 50:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was not he said that it was like 365 days in the Arctic.
• 50:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was a seven day thing and he
• 50:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, it's like a silly kind of joke, documentary thing.
• 50:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, he's saying these things that are allusory to the truth.
• 50:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that is in a way kind of the genius of Oliver Tree because if you can say the truth, in a way that can get through to millions, if not with Oliver Tree, at the end, Oliver Tree was going to be going on a world-wide
• 50:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: independently he would probably brought in on no joke over a hundred million dollars he was a he was a international superstar right and Atlantic is going to was going to be missing out on all that money and that's the other thing that they really don't like is just like yay right formerly known as Kanye West.
• 51:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: He became a billionaire using the industry once he left and he'd be he lost all of his deals.
• 51:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: He lost those Adidas deals and all those things, saying all those anti-Semitic remarks.
• 51:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: He did that intentionally to be independent.
• 51:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: All of our tree was kind of in the same vein and what really what's happening right now and this is something I've been talking about for years and I've alluded to this, the power is going back to the artist.
• 51:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: The meat really, the labels are almost, you don't really need one anymore, right?
• 51:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can do everything yourself and it's artist directly to consumer.
• 51:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And once you're able to figure out a system in a way to do this, it's extremely like you win.
• 51:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: You win the game and that's all of our tree had done.
• 51:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: an independent world tour that he's funding himself.
• 51:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yay, this kind of the same thing.
• 52:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think it was a bit of both.
• 52:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was, you know, telling the truth through a silly, well, joking what you...
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: gotten to with Christian is fascinating.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I do want to expand on maybe the idea of how Oliver Tree used that sort of hyper-sidural concept to his advantage in his own way because the Christian
• 52:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's just, you know, it's almost like these labels are like the old mobsters who would, you know, bully stores into, you know, sending it giving them money for protection, you know, it's like now in this day and age we have police officers and insurance and, you know, there's very few places where that kind of thing could even fly.
• 52:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it does in some places, but that's what it reminds me of.
• 52:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, oh, you want to be a musician, slap them around a little bit, take to money.
• 53:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a few dollars back, slap them around some more.
• 53:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's just mobster stuff is what it sounds like.
• 53:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, see, and that's like with myself, I feel so blessed because, you know, I love making music, right?
• 53:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of the stuff I've put out over the last few years has just been to kind of let people like remind them I do music like I'm a musician That's what I've always been like I'm putting out a project next month like actual rock music like that's what I've always done.
• 53:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was a frontman in a band.
• 53:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I've been kind of building over the last few years is like this really amazing
• 53:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: rock album that is elements of different genres and all these things right and where why I say I'm blessed is you know my band was really good back in the day and when we got these kind of like management deals and this attention I was I was like
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: 20 years old.
• 53:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't understand what was really going on, right?
• 54:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like my father was in the music industry, but he walked away because of all of the crazy occult bullshit and all of the things that come with it.
• 54:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't really know these things and it took me researching the people who are trying to get me into the industry to understand this is
• 54:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is all like crime.
• 54:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is all trafficking drug like they would have used my abandoned to run drugs across wherever we're touring.
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was the whole point and so, you know, losing my deal to quote unquote, you know, drug and alcohol problems, which a part of it was really that.
• 54:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I probably would have been a problem in saying, like, I'm not going to do this because you're trafficking cocaine throughout Illinois or whatever, right?
• 54:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it really is a blessing that things didn't work out then because I probably would have been killed because like,
• 55:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: it's all racketeering.
• 55:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like you're saying it's all a big racket.
• 55:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think now knowing what I know and being able to approach things in a manner in which I understand you could do it all independently.
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can do things the right way.
• 55:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to have weird agendas.
• 55:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to be a strange fucking weird occultist.
• 55:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And all of this weird shit Hollywood does because, you know, that's what you have to do
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: outside of the club, you don't have to go in the club, and I think that that is in part what Oliver Tree was starting to do, right?
• 55:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it's kind of like you said, it's like the mob in the sense of like, you can't really get out, you know, once you're in you're in and getting out, you know all the secrets, you can't get out and then start making Instagram reels about
• 55:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to allow that to happen, especially, too, like the label really showed their hand with their involvement in whatever happened with Oliver Tree, because with Oliver Tree, he was allowing people to use his music royalty free.
• 56:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, whenever a song is played, you know, a royalty has to be paid to the artist.
• 56:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, when the artist has attached to a label, it has to go to the label.
• 56:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: then it goes to the artist.
• 56:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so after Oliver Tree's death, all of that royalty-free music, then those labels immediately slapped those people with fees or they remove the music because they're like, we own the music.
• 56:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oliver's not here anymore.
• 56:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: On that, that's like the stark reality of it is like they own the music, whether you're alive or not, and it benefits them to,
• 56:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: that you are in the picture, unfortunately.
• 56:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think when you mentioned the artist formerly known as Kanye West, it is funny because he has this sort of, you know, it's like character suicide, as opposed to character assassination, like he's
• 56:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: attempted to do something that probably put himself in a lot of danger.
• 57:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: So to thwart that danger, he just continued to be more and more controversial on a level that, you know, no big company wanted to work with him chase, you know, shut down his bank account at one point, right?
• 57:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like clearly there was something going on there.
• 57:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he's a great example of maybe somebody who,
• 57:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, went the umpteenth degree to basically assassinate his own character.
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 100%, you know, like, I don't know, it's a very interesting and dangerous game.
• 57:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I just think that, unfortunately, for a lot of people, the allure of fame and fortune, just kind of blinds them to the realities of like what's going to actually come at the end of the day.
• 57:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like, like, if you really think about like, um,
• 57:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, like, the concept of, like, selling your soul or making a fausty and bargain.
• 58:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, are you familiar with, uh, even though, um, I think I know him by another name.
• 58:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I do know who that is.
• 58:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so he, so he was like the front man of, like, Van Halen before they got into big fight and it became Sammy Hagar or whatever.
• 58:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 58:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, with with David Lee Roth,
• 58:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: He is obviously elderly now.
• 58:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's probably in his late 70s now.
• 58:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: And...
• 58:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: he is doing these shows now in old age and he's like kind of just strutting around like he's like in his 20s still and he's like sticking his tongue out and just being like it's 1982 and you're like being this like sexual got it's like very weird right and it was crazy because I was talking to my dad about it and I was like this is so weird like he's older and it's like really uncomfortable like what
• 59:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: doing, and my dad was basically saying, like, yeah, that's like, this guy made a deal with the devil, like, like, that's what he is now.
• 59:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: There is no real person, like,
• 59:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: the fame and the attention, the sex drugs and rock and roll, it clouds your idea of what reality is.
• 59:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now this guy's in his 80s, really.
• 59:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he's still up there doing what you do when you're 20 years old, 70 years ago.
• 59:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's really like, like, what is that?
• 59:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like all of the fan, like vanity just all, it will all fall.
• 59:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like time moves on.
• 59:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's crazy to see
• 59:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: what kind of happens to these people, right?
• 59:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: If they're not killed and if they don't die or OD, they just become old and decrepit and they have sold themselves over to this thing that it's just, it's kind of gross.
• 59:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: You see it for what it really is.
• 1:00:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: It tends to be like the whole monkey paw thing or something along those lines.
• 1:00:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not monkey paw, but, you know, it's like you get what you give to the world and it comes back to you threefold.
• 1:00:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're messing around with.
• 1:00:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: dark magic, this kind of stuff, just going to come back to you threefold, which maybe takes us to the hypersidial concept.
• 1:00:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I know you were focusing on Chris Chan in that video, but is there any sort of connections to what Oliver Tree did and how he portrayed himself?
• 1:00:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: towards the end of his life and the sort of in the beginning of what would have been is independent.
• 1:00:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did you see that was like a hyper sigil in some way by kind of jumping onto a lot of these themes that are popular and.
• 1:00:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Internet.
• 1:00:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I definitely think there's some hyper sigilin going on for anybody who doesn't know what a hyper sigil is.
• 1:01:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: A sigil is a symbol that represents something, anything, right?
• 1:01:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like the LA LA logo, LA Dodgers, New York symbol, New York Yankees.
• 1:01:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's basically a sigil, right?
• 1:01:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And sigils become charged with whatever,
• 1:01:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: sort of, you know, energy is put into them, right?
• 1:01:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: So everybody looking at L.A. Dodgers L.A. is putting energy into it when they are giving it their attention, right?
• 1:01:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Within the occult, attention is like a currency, an intention, intention, your intentionalities with things, sort of orient will.
• 1:01:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: your will will be oriented in a certain way with that sigil.
• 1:01:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, a hypersidial is a sigil cast into the fourth dimension, which is time.
• 1:01:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, a hypersidial, an example of that would be like a movie.
• 1:02:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if I made a movie,
• 1:02:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: about my life and what I wanted my life to be, everybody who saw that movie would be charging that hyper-sigil with their attention and my intention with that movie which would be, you know, let's say the movie is about me becoming a rich and successful billionaire, right?
• 1:02:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody giving it their attention.
• 1:02:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: is charging me up the creator of it because that's my intention.
• 1:02:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And my intention is my will put into this object, okay?
• 1:02:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: So what people like Oliver Street we're doing is in all of his music videos and in the characters he was playing and portraying, he was often portraying his own death.
• 1:02:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: He did it a lot, like explained,
• 1:02:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: explosions, fire at the end of the pizza video I was talking about.
• 1:02:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: At the end of it, this is actually very interesting.
• 1:03:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's like a, he ends up dying in the video, right?
• 1:03:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then he's dragged and he's put inside of a freezer.
• 1:03:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: And right before they close the freezer, he looks out of like the crack of the freezer and he winks.
• 1:03:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: insinuating he's not dead, which is interesting, right?
• 1:03:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because maybe Oliver Trees not dead, who knows?
• 1:03:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: But all of these things, you know,
• 1:03:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: speaking these things into existence through a video that is being charged by everybody who views it, that's a high-pursageal.
• 1:03:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, he's embodying these things and if the helicopter crashed, it happened as the way we're told and all of these things.
• 1:03:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, I think he high-pursageal that as well as just whatever he is being.
• 1:03:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like there's other videos where
• 1:03:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like he was always insinuating there's another video where he has he's like walking on stilt and his legs are like a thousand feet tall and he falls to his death and then when he falls to his death it all catches on fire, you know, like sets of blaze so I definitely think there's something to that and I think that people
• 1:04:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, who ignored the realities of that part of not only artistry, but of reality in general, like that that that that that stuff is how to present real, like you look at John Lennon saying shoot me during one of the recordings of the songs you look at.
• 1:04:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Biggie Smalls ready to die to park all these people like they say they predicted their death But it might be less of a prediction and more of a Station if you will right Yeah, 100% like a manifestation or even what's even crazier is like there's this concept of are you
• 1:05:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think when it comes to things like
• 1:05:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: all of her tree and these things I think that there might even be a retro causality aspect to it because a lot of people are pointing, see people point to the numerology and all of these things as if oh well there's numerology in this and that means that they orchestrated it and set it up in this way to where you know they knew and it was a sacrifice and it's like that that could be the case anything could be the case right
• 1:05:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: the universe just happening.
• 1:05:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that time, the way that I understand time is, I don't think that time is a linear thing.
• 1:05:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think all of time happened all at once, and it's reverberating in the third dimension right now.
• 1:05:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: So really,
• 1:05:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Quran's in 333, that is a fifth dimensional being that exists above the third dimension.
• 1:06:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: When you're in the fifth dimension and you look down on the fourth dimension, you see all of the third dimension, and you
• 1:06:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: see all of the fourth dimension time.
• 1:06:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you see everything, right?
• 1:06:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that these events already happened and they're just playing out in the third dimension.
• 1:06:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so when you see this numerology that crops up, that connects all of these different events, it's more of the event.
• 1:06:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: allowing, not really allowing, but really making itself known in the third dimension that it is cascading throughout the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th, 8th,
• 1:06:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: You look at a flower, you look at a seashell, you look at the way a river moves through the earth, like there is sacred geometry and all that, why wouldn't there be functional living, you know, why wouldn't it be numerically present in other ways too, like in the actions of our life?
• 1:07:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: When you mention, like, carons on, like, reaching down into a smaller dimension, it almost seems like what we do with, like, a trawler ship where, like, every single little individual fish that gets, you know, sucked up into a net and turned into fish sauce, like,
• 1:07:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: it had its own individual life with a family and it's thing going on and then all of a sudden like a larger thing that has no concept of just like rips it up and turns it into paste like in a fifth dimensional way maybe that is kind of an analogy where like yeah these streams of energy can pull you
• 1:07:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: In a direction that might feel like it's this ascension, but then you get hit, you know, by the grinder and you're done, you know, like it's it might be something like that.
• 1:08:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: We just we're just fish.
• 1:08:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can't conceptualize something that massive, you know.
• 1:08:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 100%.
• 1:08:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: And like, you know, the first time that I came on to your show, we discussed my near-death experience where when I was getting sober, my alcoholism was so bad that I actually started going into cardiac arrest due to delirium trements.
• 1:08:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: So my DTs were so bad.
• 1:08:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I went into shock about vol these things.
• 1:08:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And what I experienced was like what I would say is like a quote
• 1:08:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: the type of experience where I experienced everything everywhere all the nuance and I've tried to put it into words and I've tried to explain it so many different ways and different times and it's really unexplainable and in a way it kind of it kind of is that idea that Crowley discussed of like
• 1:09:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: even trying to put it into words is I don't think it's a lie, you know, I'm like trying my best, but it is unexplainable.
• 1:09:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's inexplainable.
• 1:09:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so maybe that is appearing, a subjective, a subjective way to view a higher dimension or whatever, because what I also experienced was
• 1:09:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was watching the EMTs work on me from above myself, but then I was like rippling through different timelines and in each timeline I was like going to different timelines where I was dying.
• 1:09:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: So like me being worked on by the EMTs, that one would die, I'd hop to the next one.
• 1:09:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then a second later that one would die.
• 1:09:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so I was like hopping to all of these different things and seeing all these things and it's kind of like what we're saying
• 1:09:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: you can see every single timeline that could potentially happen in the third dimension.
• 1:10:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: And in the fifth dimension, you can see every timeline from every timeline that could potentially happen.
• 1:10:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
• 1:10:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if you are a fifth dimensional being like an angel or whatever, you can kind of go down into one of the potential timelines and you can start kind of messing with things.
• 1:10:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: And what I think,
• 1:10:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: another example, right?
• 1:10:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: The UFC 250 with the White House card.
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's so much numerology, it's crazy dude.
• 1:10:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: The number 33 is everywhere.
• 1:10:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: And people look at these things from a three-dimensional space, right?
• 1:10:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: They think,
• 1:10:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this guy knocked this guy out with 33 seconds left on the clock and all these things and it's like, you know, my brother is a MMA fighter and if there's one thing, I know about MMA that shit's real because I've seen my brother beat some buddies ass and I've seen my brother get his ass beat like that shit is super fucking real, right?
• 1:11:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: So for people to think like,
• 1:11:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, these people train all this time and that they're going to be able to time exactly when a knockout happens or it's fake or whatever.
• 1:11:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's like that's when I start to see like we're getting it detached from reality here.
• 1:11:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: What I think which is actually crazier is I think these people are doing these free masons or whoever they're doing these rituals.
• 1:11:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: in the third dimension that is going up and it is reverberating into these higher dimensions where these beings exist and that's where the beings come down and they start orienting and messing with reality in the third dimension and all of those little, you know, 33s and all of these little numerical things are reverberations of the fifth dimensional being or higher coming
• 1:11:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's how I see it because, you know, if you even, and I just keep using Crowley as an example, Crowley was like, he did ritual magic.
• 1:12:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was ritual, it was ritualistic.
• 1:12:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, if you go to a Catholic Mass, that is, there's the incense.
• 1:12:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's all of these sensory experiences that are,
• 1:12:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: interacting with different elements, okay?
• 1:12:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have the line.
• 1:12:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have the incense.
• 1:12:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: incense is was lit on fire.
• 1:12:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's fire.
• 1:12:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's your lighting.
• 1:12:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: The incense, which would actually represent earth.
• 1:12:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have the smoke, which would be air.
• 1:12:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, you have holy water.
• 1:12:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's water.
• 1:12:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: So there's four of the five elements which are on what?
• 1:12:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're on a pentagram.
• 1:12:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:12:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's how the elements are explained in the occult.
• 1:12:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, a pentagram, if you break it all up, what does it give you?
• 1:12:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: The golden ratio.
• 1:12:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, so if you go watch, there's that Donald Duck animation, where Donald Duck is dressed like a Pythagorean, and he's explaining the pentagram.
• 1:13:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, people are like, oh, it's sad.
• 1:13:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's something evil or whatever.
• 1:13:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's explaining sacred geometry.
• 1:13:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's explaining the golden ratio.
• 1:13:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you're saying the flower, the seashell.
• 1:13:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's all mathematical.
• 1:13:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: that is a reflection of the pentagram burning in sense.
• 1:13:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: All of these things, these are all interactions we see it as as burning something.
• 1:13:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're burning in sense.
• 1:13:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're doing this thing.
• 1:13:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: That is interacting with higher dimensional beings and they're interacting with everything all that once.
• 1:13:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what spiritual warfare is.
• 1:13:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: So when a third dimensional being is trying to
• 1:13:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:13:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's how it is done.
• 1:13:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is done through ritual magic and all these things.
• 1:13:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then you end up getting whatever you end up getting with whatever your intention is based on your will.
• 1:13:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: The orientation of one's will to affect reality.
• 1:13:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's magic.
• 1:13:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, in a way, tying that back in retro causality, like,
• 1:14:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: maybe each decision you make jumps you into a different, you know, timeline that's just close enough to where, you know, the people around you are the same relatively, right?
• 1:14:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's those these sort of gradual changes.
• 1:14:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when big changes happen to a person, maybe it's less gradual, but for the most part, I wonder like, yeah, if you really start manipulating that sort of timeline thing, maybe it does end poorly because you get yourself wrapped up in the life span of some greater entity that sees you the way we would see a mosquito, you know, the mosquito comes and
• 1:14:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: take some sustenance from us and maybe it sticks around too long, get slapped along the side of your skin, you know, and now it's dead, you know, what's what's good in that meal if, you know, killed a few more seconds, right?
• 1:14:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I, I wonder to what effect messing around with the occult can lead to situations like that.
• 1:15:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to Oliver Tree getting back to him for a moment, there was one aspect to his mysterious death.
• 1:15:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll call it because he
• 1:15:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: could be that he still alive.
• 1:15:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: But is this whole trip to Antarctica, which I don't know if there's any truth in that.
• 1:15:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently there was a video of him there or close to Antarctica, and you and I both know that that's something that not just not just anybody can go and take a trip down to Antarctica.
• 1:15:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So what are you thinking is going on there and did you think
• 1:15:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the Ants Artica thing, so he filmed like a documentary.
• 1:15:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, it was like everything he did.
• 1:15:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was a real fake documentary where he claimed he was in Antarctica for 365 days documenting these things.
• 1:16:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Really he was on a cruise for seven days.
• 1:16:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was on a cruise for a week.
• 1:16:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he filmed it, you know, like he's studying and he was like sampling the glaciers in the water and, you know, taking these microphones and doing all this kind of silly stuff.
• 1:16:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't know, I think it's kind of like I stated he's saying truths in a funny way to where he could kind of get away with it.
• 1:16:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, even even like the Mr. Pizza videos, he kind of did the same thing.
• 1:16:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: He made it silly and kind of pseudo artistic.
• 1:16:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, so I don't know.
• 1:16:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to say.
• 1:16:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I personally tend to think of deaths and disappearances and things like that more in the vein of its business.
• 1:16:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, I don't really think like.
• 1:16:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: the whoever they really give a shit about like okay let's say all of our trees like man Antarctica blah blah blah and let's say he has some super convincing videos and all these other things like one how many people are going to believe it two how many people actually care and three like you know like it's so easy just like we're saying with all of this to just say that guy's crazy
• 1:17:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
• 1:17:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: People did it to me for a long time.
• 1:17:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's why I sourced everything I said and after years, finally, people are like, okay, there might be something to this, right?
• 1:17:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so, so I don't know if his death, I would think it's more in the realm of this guy is going to show the world that you can do music independently outside of the system and that is the problem and to bring it
• 1:17:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the Bible thing, and I don't think the relic thing, that stuff is whatever, like, inputs.
• 1:17:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: But when it comes to him talking about solar and off grid living, if something strange with his death happened, it's that, right?
• 1:18:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: They don't want people to be independent.
• 1:18:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: They don't like rugged individualism, and they don't like
• 1:18:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: humans to express their vitality.
• 1:18:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look at the conversations that are being had even politically.
• 1:18:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: If we look at the subconscious mind, and reality is just a reflection of the subconscious mind, politics is sort of like the systemic organization of the subconscious, right?
• 1:18:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even the political conversations, the government, see they're going to come and save you, it's going to give you a hand out, or the government's going to make you safe.
• 1:18:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the illegals that we're going to get the illegals out, and then you'll be safe.
• 1:18:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or, oh, give us your freedoms and the flat cameras will make you safe.
• 1:18:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or, oh, you don't need a job, the government will give you money, then you'll be safe.
• 1:19:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:19:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's all of these things of collectivism and reliance on something greater.
• 1:19:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
• 1:19:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if we look at that in an occult realm, it's the same thing with like carons and in doing rituals to have reliance on something greater, right?
• 1:19:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Really, they don't want people to figure out that they don't need anyone but themselves.
• 1:19:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And frankly, Jesus Christ in God.
• 1:19:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you have a connection to God and
• 1:19:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can really figure that out.
• 1:19:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: You'll be self-sustainable.
• 1:19:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of like my whole What I personally tried to do is to show people you can overcome anything Through God and through Christ personally like I overcame addiction I became my own boss all of these things by working my ass off and by just Dedicating my life to the truth which is the truth is the way that we interact with God
• 1:19:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:19:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so that's what I think in terms of all of our trees showing people they rugged individualism working really hard.
• 1:20:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't need any sort of system above you.
• 1:20:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's where I think he got a job and yeah Joe fails to I mean, who knows, maybe he was just getting in all that alien relic stuff to take the heat off of the other things that we're threatening the system because yeah it's.
• 1:20:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: it's something that I don't wish on anybody, you know, you don't want to be thrown out of a helicopter or, you know, set up to be killed in a helicopter, it sounds like an awful way to go.
• 1:20:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's a shame.
• 1:20:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder, you know, what's it going to take for these music labels to finally
• 1:20:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: die out.
• 1:20:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, do you think they can evolve and transform and exist in the next, you know, century to come or do you think they're going to be a relic of the 20th century?
• 1:20:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think, here's the thing, I think that there will be people who figure it out
• 1:21:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And those people will be able to do it independently, right?
• 1:21:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: But what I think that they're going to do.
• 1:21:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So like if we think about the history of music, right?
• 1:21:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's always the big star, Elvis, Michael Jackson, you know, even like yay, Kanye West, there's these big monolithic figures that are a reflection of where culture is at that time, right?
• 1:21:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: We had a mono culture.
• 1:21:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody listens to the radio.
• 1:21:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: When we had MTV, we had a mono culture.
• 1:21:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody watched the music videos.
• 1:21:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
• 1:21:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if we look at the stars throughout time, they correlate with that Elvis and radio, Michael Jackson and radio into kind of music television.
• 1:21:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
• 1:21:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even if we look into kind of the internet age, it was a mono culture as well.
• 1:22:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
• 1:22:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like,
• 1:22:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, not necessarily Facebook, but like, if you look at like the 2016 internet, everybody kind of saw the same things, right?
• 1:22:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that is like a reflection of Drake.
• 1:22:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Drake was a product of monoculture.
• 1:22:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody was listening to Drake, everybody listened to MJ, everybody listened to Elvis.
• 1:22:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: What we're having now and personally, I think the Drake Kendrick B falls an aspect of this is
• 1:22:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Culture is moving from being a mono culture into one of quote-unquote hyperlocality, where the algorithms are now perfectly synchronized to you.
• 1:22:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, my algorithm is completely different than yours, and everybody's algorithm is actually a perfect reflection of their own subconscious mind.
• 1:22:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: So,
• 1:22:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, we don't have these monolithic figures as much anymore.
• 1:22:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's not like one massive figure that everybody listens to.
• 1:22:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: There might be one or two that a lot of people listen to, but it's not like Michael Jackson, it's not like Elvis.
• 1:23:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: And what I think the music industry is figuring out,
• 1:23:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And as somebody who's been studying this ad nauseam for when I come out with my like rock album next month is this hyper locality is something that the music industry is going to have to adjust to because now I might list into 10 20 different bands that somebody's never even heard of.
• 1:23:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:23:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: So what I think that they're going to do is, instead of producing bowling balls, they're going to start producing bullets.
• 1:23:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And what I mean by that is, they might have a catalog of a thousand artists that they all give $100,000 to rather than having one superstar, they give 100 million.
• 1:23:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
• 1:23:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think in that way, the music industry will have to evolve.
• 1:23:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: But here's the thing, with that hyperlocality, what ends up happening is,
• 1:23:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: a band can, they don't need a label because if they make whatever $50,000 a year, they can flip that and they can do everything themselves.
• 1:24:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can go and get your own vinyl's pressed, you can go and get your own CDs made, you get your own T-shirts printed, and everything else, why would I need a label at that point?
• 1:24:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can do everything myself, and so what happens is,
• 1:24:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: they will rely on people who don't know better or who are lazy and people who just wanna be famous, which will lead to the degradation of music in general.
• 1:24:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I see happening right now.
• 1:24:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I just think like,
• 1:24:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: with the way the internet and reality is moving, people are not susceptible to subversion anymore.
• 1:24:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's on the lookout of the subversive nature of the music industry and people in general.
• 1:24:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
• 1:24:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
• 1:24:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the music industry is going to have a hard time surviving
• 1:24:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: past this whole conversation we're having right now, this will really become sort of like reflective in like five to ten years.
• 1:25:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I really, I don't know how it will survive.
• 1:25:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: It will find a way.
• 1:25:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: It will figure some, some evil system out.
• 1:25:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they just start
• 1:25:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, making it to where if you're not signed to a label, you can't do live shows and you can't still take it or they might have some weird, freaky work around, but it's going to be, it's going to get really interesting, like truly.
• 1:25:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we're already seeing as we talked about in the beginning of our conversation before we started recording where AI is affecting people in this space, content creation, YouTube using AI to,
• 1:25:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: demonetized like something like you know 50,000 channels all at once some big number but yeah I wonder how that'll affect the music industry we should probably talk about that plenty of times.
• 1:26:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: On the show before I used AI music occasionally with this podcast and
• 1:26:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the past year, I've really decided to move away from AI all together.
• 1:26:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, maybe it doesn't save me as much time as I could be saving yada yada, but I don't know.
• 1:26:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's something about it.
• 1:26:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: It just feels like it's going to dissolve into nothing and people are be left holding the empty basket again, so to speak.
• 1:26:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I really think that AI is, I personally, I don't think that it is as sophisticated as people think.
• 1:26:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's like, it constantly gets things wrong.
• 1:26:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, part of the reason I don't use it is like, I've actually showcased this.
• 1:26:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I did a video on Henry Rollins and I was like asking it, like, what's Henry Rollins' name?
• 1:27:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: and it was like Henry Rollins his name is Henry Rollins and it's like that's not his real name like I know I'm I'm literally looking at the guy's real name it's not you know so and I said this with my David Grohl research like
• 1:27:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Dave Grohl and certain individuals who might not be the best people in terms of their behavior, like, you know, Dave Grohl has a kid out of wedlock and he's cheating on everybody and he possibly had a hand in killing Kurt Cobain, all these things.
• 1:27:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're paying, like, they're paying for PR.
• 1:27:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the AI is just recycling that PR nonsense.
• 1:27:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I just, I think AI is like a sophisticated
• 1:27:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: search engine and like really nothing more because like, even with AI art, it's super obvious when someone uses it with AI music, it's super obvious when it's like, I don't know, I really think that it's like you're saying people are going to be stuck like holding the bag.
• 1:28:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, and you know,
• 1:28:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: digital life I think is becoming more and more alienating and that hyper locality that you just described is is probably driving factor with that, you know.
• 1:28:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure, for sure.
• 1:28:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think when everybody kind of saw the same things, there was a sort of connectedness that it brought about.
• 1:28:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, remember when
• 1:28:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, like everybody was like kind of having the same conversations and I think that, you know, that's good and bad in its own way, but yeah, there is a certain kind of isolationism that the internet and digital life brings that it can get super lonely, you know?
• 1:28:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: hence why I've been spending a lot less time on the digital in the digital world so to speak a lot more time in the real.
• 1:29:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I don't know, not that I am going to stop podcasting by any means, but I hope the podcast is something that people, you know, they take inspiration from and
• 1:29:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: But here we are.
• 1:29:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Easy.
• 1:29:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm very grateful that you came on to explain all this stuff and when it comes to what you've been working on, it's clear that that hard work is present and everything you do just as someone who's been a fan of your research for quite some time now.
• 1:29:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: happy to see it.
• 1:29:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So is there anything in particular that you're working on this summer?
• 1:29:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anything that you're working on moving forward in the next year?
• 1:30:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have this rock album you've been talking about.
• 1:30:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is there anything you can say about it?
• 1:30:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I'll be surprised to like,
• 1:30:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: musically music is the one thing for me that like I'm really sensitive about right so like in the past I did these kind of like pseudo hip-hop projects and I really released those so people knew I did music and I was kind of trying to figure out how to go about doing music today because it's so different right like I was in a band like I've talked about and it was just like
• 1:30:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was really hard dealing with personalities and scheduling and all these things and I just like After that band didn't work out, I started another band and it became the same thing, right?
• 1:30:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like the drummer wanted to be the front man, but I was the front man and
• 1:30:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then the base player wanted to be this certain thing and then we got a new base player and he was a literal a literal gay furry who was on an episode of my strange addiction who's best friend.
• 1:31:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even joking dude.
• 1:31:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Was having sex with inflatable pool toys.
• 1:31:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I am not joking.
• 1:31:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: That is a true story.
• 1:31:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: That is true.
• 1:31:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: So like the band thing, yeah dude, it was just like I wanted
• 1:31:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I just was really trying to figure out how to do it and so I figured out a way I like basically just hired studio musicians and figured out a way to kind of do it and so yeah, it's it is rock, but it's really
• 1:31:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm gonna be honest, it's really good, dude.
• 1:31:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm impressed myself with it, which I'm really excited about.
• 1:31:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like, 70s, like, Led Zeppelin Rock.
• 1:31:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's very different and it's very, very, like I said, like, I'm sensitive about music.
• 1:32:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm super honest with it.
• 1:32:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's really, really good.
• 1:32:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's gonna blow a lot of people away.
• 1:32:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Cause also, the way I view music is like, if you're gonna just make something that someone else can make, I don't really see a point in that.
• 1:32:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: transformative was like something I've really been working on for a long time and you know I want to do something that
• 1:32:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: exists in spite of the music industry, right?
• 1:32:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I want to do something truly independent, where I am funding the merchandising, I'm funding the vinyl, I'm doing my own shows and my own tours outside of anything, and nobody can have a hand in anything, I'm doing, I'm not pushing any subversive things.
• 1:32:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just 100% me and my storytelling and the people involved,
• 1:32:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: the world needs in the music space, you know, so I guess that's what I could say, but it comes out on 9-11, 9-11, 2026.
• 1:33:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's called air-H-E-I-R, strangely enough, 9-11 is like my parents' anniversary, which is...
• 1:33:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: kind of interesting so they got married in like the mid 90s.
• 1:33:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, um, kind of like an homage to my parents and a lot of different things, you know, pushing good stuff, family, God, you know, I'm excited.
• 1:33:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
• 1:33:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am excited as well based on how you described it.
• 1:33:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot to be excited about and uh, there's a fan of new music.
• 1:33:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:33:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: happy to support it and share it with the audience.
• 1:33:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: So please send me some links when it is available.
• 1:33:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be posting about it.
• 1:33:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, thanks again, as E appreciate you joining me on the show, brother.
• 1:33:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thanks for having me, man.
• 1:33:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is really fun.
• 1:33:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Else to say other than I look forward to listening to air spelled HE.
• 1:34:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I are like air to the throne, very cool.
• 1:34:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: yeah dude we don't have any more rock stars we need to bring it back like actual cool rock and roll like cool you know we have all this hip hop we need some coolness back yeah i agree i agree i far too often i'm listening to songs that were made before i was born so yeah it's uh it would be cool to hear that so
• 1:34:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right on, thank you, Izzy, thank you to all tuning in and we'll catch you on the next episode until then, immerse yourself in the moment wherever you are in the now.
• 1:34:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there it is folks, that was our conversation
• 1:35:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of five conversations that I've had with Izzy.
• 1:35:04
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• 1:35:08
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• 1:35:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: and stay tuned for more for me and the my family kicks in crazy podcast.
• 1:35:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've got a new guest coming out very soon and yeah excited about that so stick around and we'll be back very shortly this month in August so maybe we're tuning in and we'll catch you on the next episode until then and we're sure so far in the moment where we are in and now.