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2014's Draft Day · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf with Phil and Dave, the
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movie talk show where each week one of us takes a movie off our
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show, presents it to the other for discussion.
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This week we have coming off of Daves Shelf 2014's Draft Day.
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Dave, why is this movie on your shelf?
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I think I procured this film, I wanna say in 2016.
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I didn't run out to get it. Peak Damon years exactly.
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Might be the same day I picked up a Great Wall in 4K.
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This, however, just Blu-ray. Yeah, my intention was simply to
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expand my sport movie collection along with my Kevin Costner
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library. He covers both of those bases
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pretty often, right? Sports and Costner, they worked.
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Well, yeah, he's done a few. Yeah, that's for sure.
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However, years later, it's well documented.
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You certainly know every year I buy MLB The Show.
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Well, 26 in this instance. I have it and I just draft and I
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draft. In 252473.
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I end up barely playing the game.
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I just keep doing fantasy drafts and if I had more time I would
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probably do it with hockey and if I still bought Madden but I
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don't because it's trash, would do it with that as well.
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Building leagues. Aaron Judge on the Braves.
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He got Ohtani on the Cubs. Wow, really changing it.
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Up. I just love it.
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And we touched on it a little bit during our Inception
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episode, The Architect. I like to create and build this
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stuff. So I think subconsciously or
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unconsciously, I think I was awake for this, but that's why I
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had to have it on my shelf. Anything related to drafting, I
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gotta have it. I'm an addict, I am.
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Let's call it what it is. You know, I gave up a lot of my
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bad habits, this one. You put all your chips right in
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there, yeah. I don't think it's going away
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anytime soon. My wife.
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Are calling. She Semi.
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Supports it, and that she supports.
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You. She hasn't said stop, OK?
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That's the important thing. She knows.
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So she's better than Joe already?
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Already. Oh yeah, my wife.
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However, she didn't really support me enough to watch this
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particular film. So she couldn't tell you what
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it's about. I'll tell you, I know who I
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could ask to find out what this movie is about.
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Oht really. Yeah, we know who it isn't.
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We can't ask your wife. That's clear.
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Yeah, well, we got Old Faithful right in the background here
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that. I have a feeling she might be
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able to describe it better even if she hadn't watched it, but I
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don't know. You tell me what it says.
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Well, better than rounders I would.
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Hope can't be worse. We have here at the NFL Draft
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General Manager Sonny Weaver has the opportunity to rebuild his
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team. When he trades for the number
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one pick, he must decide what he's willing to sacrifice on a
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life changing day for a few 100 young men with NFL dreams.
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If I had said that to my wife word for word, she probably
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would have watched it. A lot of young men.
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Oht yeah. Hundreds of young men.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Healthy physiques. Certainly more than what you're
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dealing with. Workout not to Brian Drews
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extent, but hey, we'll get there.
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That's right, three bills. Three stacks of high society in
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the weight room if you look. Further into the IMDb, you'll
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see Ivan Reitman was the director.
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He's the guy, you know? Yeah, he's a guy that has made
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some of the movies I really love.
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But recently we talked about Dave.
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Yeah, 9393 and Ghostbusters 85, so.
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Those are the two big ones. Those are the big ones.
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He's done a bunch of other ones. I saw, like some comedies and
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stuff from like the late 80s and early 90s that I kind of
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recognized. Yeah, for sure.
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Meatballs. Yeah, exactly Canadian.
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Oh, I did not know that. Yeah, his son took over the
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Ghostbusters franchise. Do.
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OK. Less than stellar results as far
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as I'm concerned. From what I could see, this
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movie was his last one. Yeah, for me anyway, kind of
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fell off the radar. He was obviously really amazing
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in the 80s. Stuff like Twins and, you know,
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Ghostbusters. We talked about Meatballs,
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Stripes. Like this is just like comedy
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hit after comedy hit after comedy hit.
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Directed Kindergarten Cop, which is an Arnold movie that I loved
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when I was younger. I haven't seen it.
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Bring it off, but bring it off it might be worth it.
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Stuff like Junior and Father's Day, Six Days and Seven Nights,
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one of the worst movies ever saw.
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I did recognize that we talked about that before.
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Yeah. So Volcano basically from 93
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Dave really until the end of his career, I never even heard like
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this is not a movie that paid attention to.
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He made a movie called Evolution in the early 2000s that was
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garbage. So I had already kind of written
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him off by the time this movie came out.
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And I don't really have a interest in football and didn't
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really have an interest in Cosner.
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So. So it's safe to say you had not
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seen this movie. You know, this is post video
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store working. So I don't really have any
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recollection of the wall or seeing the poster or anything
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like that. So as I mentioned before that
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2011 to 2015 sixteen range. Yeah, you're out West.
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Yeah. I went deep into the archives, I
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went deep into my my collection. I didn't see as many of the
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modern new movies and this wouldn't have made the cut even.
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If I was. So we know at this point in
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time, it's on your shelf, correct?
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By the end of this episode, we'll find out if it gets on
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there. And I'm curious to find out.
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I really don't know what you're gonna think about this movie, so
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I'm excited. For this, I like to be a man of
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mystery. David, I know I don't like the
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look I'm getting right now, though it's, you know, I'll be
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curious to see if you liked it more or less than Volcano,
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because that's like the bar for you right now.
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Yeah, I had very high opinion of Volcano.
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Yeah, watch it again. Yeah, yeah, only sections of
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volcano in all of. It Let's get into the film,
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Phil. Let's get in there.
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It really has that intro to an NFL game vibe right from the get
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go. You have all the domes empty
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actually. Yeah, well.
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It's early. Yeah, it it is early.
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But first, we're in New York. We're setting up for the draft
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itself. Yes, So we're setting the scene
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here. It's gonna take place in New
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York, but that's it. That's the only real section of
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New York that we really spend any time in.
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Because the movie is not specifically about the draft
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happening in real time, but rather the mechanisms in place
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that lead to the draft. So right away we've got a
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ticking. Clock 12 hours and 12.
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Hours we get Radio City Music Hall which is a beautiful venue.
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Gorgeous. And we're thrown into the mix
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with Chris Berman. Chris Berman. 32 teams, 7
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rounds, 224 players. But it's not long after that
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that we Mosey on over to Radio City.
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Frasier Crane. That's right, Seattle.
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I'm listening. Yes, 4:15 in the morning early.
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It's my pee time around there. Mark it down, folks.
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Yeah. We have an introduction of the
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owner. Sorry, not owner.
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GM correct myself there in real time.
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Tom Michaels. Yeah, he's a real guy.
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Is he a real? Guy, he's good at this movie.
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I think he is good. Yeah.
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He's with Chi McBride playing a guy named Walt Gordon.
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He's from TV. You don't know who he is.
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OK, Boston Legal, maybe. I don't know one of those.
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Shows alright, yeah, sure, yeah. Even I barely know him, but he's
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great. Worth mentioning, he's worth
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mentioning anything about him. Don't know his name, don't know
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his credits, don't know anything about him, but we're going to
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use some time. Here, Well, what you need to
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know is they have the 1st pick. That's right.
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We're laying it all out here. This guy named Bo Callahan, Yes,
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he's projected to go first overall.
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Yeah, Phenom. They don't need them though.
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The Seahawks, They would rather get a better future team.
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I guess so. I don't find any of that to be
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very well established. Let me ask you this question
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actually. Would a voiceover have helped
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you? That's a good question.
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I don't think the voiceover would have helped specifically.
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I think a little bit more dialogue in the Seattle camp to
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explain or at least to establish on some level why they don't
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want the first pick and they're only aware of that 12 hours
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before. That'll give you they don't need
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a quarterback, but they didn't need a quarterback last week,
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last month, six months. Eight months, Why do you have to
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get up at 4:00 AM? Yeah, sort this out.
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Last night in like in a bit of a panic and like, Oh my gosh,
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we're gonna change our strategy. Poor management.
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That part feels tacked on. The urgency didn't really make a
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lot of sense. If you already had a
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quarterback, you had him all season.
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Now, I can understand wanting three first round draft picks.
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You would get the brown seventh round pick this year, the first
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pick in 2015, sure. And the first pick in 2016.
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You're really building a team out from that and getting the
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seventh round pick is still good.
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Like you're still in the top 10 back.
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You're going to get a. Depending how strong the the
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classes this year, I might be using terms you don't quite
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understand. I get class.
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I do other podcasts, fantasy football.
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This is a big time of year for us because of the combine and
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things like that. Things are happening, buddy,
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because the draft is happening on April 23rd.
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I'm a little early. I can never quite get the right
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time, sure, but we're close enough.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's closer than usual.
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Yeah, exactly. But I know we've talked about
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like this could have been a conversation a week ago, not
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now. But you got to tell a story that
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makes sense. You got to tell a story, and
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this is a story that will be told.
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That's. Right, so they think Sunny is
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desperate enough. He's the guy, I guess.
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Browns enough, said desperate enough.
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Is the Cleveland Brown wave them Browns now.
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Are you familiar with Cleveland as a sports city, as a fan base?
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Cavaliers are very, very Cavalier dominant with Kobe.
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Stop, stop now. I don't know.
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I don't want to basketball. But sure, there was a big
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basketball player somewhere. Yeah, Cleveland, I know, is the
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home of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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Drew Carey Show. Hey.
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Hello, Cleveland. Yep.
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Hmm. Spinal Tap.
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Yeah. So, I mean, I'm very familiar
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with the Cleveland Ways baseball team.
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No. Guardians.
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Guardians. OHS Guardians formerly.
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The Indians went through a name change very popular in sports
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these days, all the rage. Yes, yes, Major League.
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That's what I know. Major League.
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But Browns fans aren't Interesting group.
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Please inform. And when I realized again,
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because I hadn't watched this movie in a decade, actually
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almost exactly, I forgot it was about the Browns.
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OK. And then immediately realized
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this is a fantasy fiction movie. Sure, and I had mixed feelings
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about that. OK.
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And like Browns would never have a success story.
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This is impossible. It's not possible.
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And they have such loyal fans, it's almost like a tribute to
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them to make them have hope. Yeah.
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Make him feel good for an hour and 50 minutes.
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Yeah. Because they have made so many
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poor decisions in the front office, it's unreal.
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OK, so it's interesting that they made it about the Browns.
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It's almost like a joke on itself in my.
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Interesting. I was just referring to Major
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League, which is all about the Cleveland Indians.
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Now, Guardians. That's right, yes.
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And I wondered if that same principle holds true there.
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Right, Because maybe I don't know how the baseball team is.
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But Charlie Sheen, just in his peak, right then he was big.
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That's right. That is more.
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Accurate than 2016 Matt Damon for sure.
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Couple important things early on, just to lay out the rest of
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it. We're just getting to know who
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the owners are, who the GM's are, who the players are, who
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the girlfriends are. We have Jennifer Garner.
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Yeah, lovely lady. Sure.
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She just turned 52. Wonderful.
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She's born in 72, so not at all 52.
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And we have the green piece of paper, or in your case, yellow.
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Yes, that's with your colour blindness.
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Yeah, we know it's something. It's the thing.
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It's the Oreo cookie. We the tell.
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Yeah, it really is. So we know that's going to play
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a role. I think it's pretty stupid, the
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paper itself, the paper itself as storytelling.
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Now there's other stuff in the movie that I like quite a bit,
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but right away this is like you're kind of linchpin to the
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whole storytelling aspect. It's going to be your through
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line of the. Plot.
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It's a little easy. It's almost silly.
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It's. I would find almost
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manipulative. The level to which we're the
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constant shots to it. Yeah.
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He's like holding on to it. It's passing around.
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It's sitting in his pocket. It plays such an outsized role
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in the movie and that the payoff by the end is I found a real let
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down by the amount of time we spent thinking and looking and
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talking about this piece of. Paper if it wasn't the colour
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that stood out so much on the screen.
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If it was more of a subtle colour like a beige, sure maybe
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it would have been so bad. Otherwise, I don't really have a
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problem with it other than I think they're using it to make
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me feel something later, and I hate to admit it, it kind of
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succeeds. OK, I think the sentiment makes
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some sense. Just the level to which it's
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part of the storytelling I think is unnecessary.
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It's also fair to say that you love pancakes.
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I actually don't like. Pancakes.
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Me neither. I've had pancakes for that was a
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child. Actually had him in New Zealand.
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I know if you know, I went there, but before that I had him
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for like 10-12 years. I like them.
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I like them just fine. I don't like them.
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I don't like French toast. Me neither.
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But this is a movie that has some eating scenes.
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I wonder how many it takes to. He looked like he was enjoying.
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His he was right, though, so how I hope he did it in one or two
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takes. Now, this guy who played Tom
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Michaels, I don't have the name in front of me, but he has some
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chops, so I imagine. I think he's great.
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This movie. Give me the pancakes.
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I can do it in a couple scenes so I can eat more if you want.
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No problem. Keep them coming.
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Coming. Yeah, keep coming.
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I think it's great in this movie.
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Costner gets my favorite line in the whole movie.
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Silence on the phone. He finally just goes, well Jesus
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Christ, why don't you pretend like you called me?
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I love that concept when someone calls and like can I put you on
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hold like you called? Me.
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What are you talking? About can I put you on hold?
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You just called me to put me on hold.
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It doesn't make any sense. So this would make me laugh that
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there's this dead silence and. Yeah, granted, it is pretty
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early in Seattle, so maybe they have their coffee.
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Yeah, sure. Gathering their thoughts, their
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Starbucks. Home of some good coffee.
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There you go. If you want to talk about a
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couple of the players, Phil, these might be faces that you're
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at least one. That you're.
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Yeah, for sure, obviously. Monte Mack.
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Chadwick Boseman, the Black Panther himself.
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That's right, James Brown, Jackie Robinson.
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And I thought always a good performer.
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I really, really thought he was excellent in Black Panther, so.
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I haven't seen it, but I certainly if you brought any of
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that passion into any movie like he did in this one, I think if
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small role. But yeah, I think he pops pretty
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well and I think all of his emotion scenes I think are
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really good. He's a highlight, I'd say.
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Yeah, noteworthy. Sure.
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Yeah, damn. Good line.
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Back and I don't know if in 2014 he's the guy, but if you watch
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him as James Brown or you watch him as Jackie Robinson, you're
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watching a guy that can clearly handle a movie.
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And certainly by the time Black Panther comes, you're just get
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this guy is definitely a. Star and then we also have Terry
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Crews and his son Jennings. Sure the character and not
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actually Terry Crew. There's yeah, we have Deon
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Sanders playing Deon Sanders. We have Rick Bourbon playing.
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Rick Berman isn't like a lot of guys with Terry Crews is playing
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Mr. Jennings. Yes, the father of Jennings.
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You know, yeah, running back star.
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Yeah, running. Back start running history,
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yeah, I mean, you have to have at least one yes, that's the
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rules. Every draft's got 1-2,
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unfortunately. It's really tough thing.
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Like obviously I don't live in that world.
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To be that young with the background that you have and to
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have that money and that. Or potential for money.
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Yeah, but you have friends. But it's hard to get out of that
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life and you're the guy that gets the break.
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They're going to want to and they drag you down, obviously,
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totally. But I think it's important here
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because Jennings is the guy, or made to believe at least his
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coaches guy. Yes, they're running back.
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Yeah. Dennis Leary makes the case he
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runs. Terry Crews says you'll play for
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anybody. Yeah, but he's a Brown and he'll
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be a great fit, of course. Yeah, that's a big thing.
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But the question is, would drafting Jennings make a splash?
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That's a good question. And you only get drafted once.
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Yes, that's. So clear they're good.
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If you're going to make a splash, you got to do something
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a little. Bigger because we're dealing
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with right, We're going to get a couple of familiar faces, both
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from Dave. Yeah, I was so happy playing a
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character named Molino or Molina.
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Both. Yeah, it was Molina.
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Malone and he is the owner of the Cleveland Browns, and he is
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going on a little jaunt, a walk in the park with our good friend
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Kevin Costner. Hmm.
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And he reminds Sunny that people pay to get wet.
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Yeah. Defensive players don't caused
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much of a buzz. Sure.
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So one of the thing, Phillip. But he's running back.
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Jennings is a running back. Yeah, but now he's talking about
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Vontae Mack. Oh, he's defence.
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Sure. Because that's who he wants.
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Sure. Do you not see what's on the
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paper? There not yet.
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Big reveal. And one thing that always
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bothered me, being somewhat of a football fan is why owners and
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GM's make certain decisions. Why would you draft this guy?
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It's common knowledge that for whatever reason, ABC, whatever
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it may be, he is not the right guy.
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You don't need that position. He has off field issues, yet
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they go after them and I'm like, do you have terrible scouts or
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are they just owners? Look at that.
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You don't know this, but there's this owner of the Raiders.
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I think it's the Las Vegas. Yeah.
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He's got a bad haircut. OK, Davis, it has Like this.
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Important. Bowl haircut and like this guy
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is making decisions like obviously.
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Haircut yeah, exactly make a decision because you got a bad.
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Haircut and the Raiders have been pretty bad for a while, to
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the point where they had to. Move a couple times, right?
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Yeah, you're right. LA to Oakland, maybe even back
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to LA and now in Vegas. However, what I learned from
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this movie is it's not necessarily about winning.
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Hmm. It's simply about selling
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tickets. Make the splash.
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And if you look at the Toronto Maple Leafs, yes, they've been
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pretty good for a while, but they sell out they don't need.
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To team bad team doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, doesn't.
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Matter Corporate. Right.
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So no, playoffs doesn't. Matter.
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So this kind of made sense to me, although I don't agree with
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it because I think if you need that defensive guy, he's the
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piece of the puzzle. Sure, you have drew a
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quarterback so, but this really crystallized the behind the
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scenes thought process of some of the owners and GM's is they
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just want to bring people into the game.
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They want to make money. Sure, the bottom line, Johnny
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Manzel classic drafted by the Browns, comes from a rich
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family. He was a problem.
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He's always been a problem. Wasn't really that good.
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He was not the quarterback of the future, but he was super
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hyped up and they thought, well, the fans are hyped up.
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We could build a team around. Him, yeah, he'll be in the
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newspapers and not for good reasons.
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And then ultimately he ended up in the CFL and yada, yada, yada,
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we're bastard. That's the mental health issues.
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I feel bad for him, but it's just all this information they
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knew and they still know he's the guy.
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Yeah, he's not the guy. Sure, which is what Seattle
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seemingly is recognizing with Callahan.
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Yeah, they're trying to dump them for the three round picks
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like you're saying. Well, I think no matter who
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you're picking first overall, Callahan or not, getting three
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first round picks is always worth.
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It doesn't matter who it. Is you're getting 2 1/2 Callans?
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Sure. For the cost of one.
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Yeah, because that's the deal that he ultimately makes.
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And with that influence of Melina, we know what happens.
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We already laid that out, yes. Yeah.
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Get fleeced. Yeah.
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Got hosed. Have you ever been fleeced?
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No. No.
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Do you fleece? Kirkland.
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I'm a Kirkland guy, you know, also another Seattle based
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company. Kirkland.
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Yeah. Really.
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Yeah, I drink their coffee. Kirkland.
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Keurig. Anyways, we have Sunny heading
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to the office with the news while Leary Dennis from the ref,
20:49
Yeah. It's and off the shelf
20:52
eventually. Yeah, that TV show he was on for
20:55
years. Rescue 911.
20:57
Yeah, that's no that. Wasn't it William Shatter
21:00
wasn't. No, no, I think it's on right
21:02
now. Yeah, Anyway.
21:03
But yeah, firefighter show. Yeah, exactly.
21:05
I just know him as an asshole. Which is interesting because I
21:08
was expecting more of that in this role.
21:11
He's talking about Jennings. He's great story, big fan.
21:15
Clearly he needs and we have the split screen.
21:18
You may have mentioned it earlier.
21:20
I have not, but it's a noteworthy conversation for us.
21:23
But directorial. Choice.
21:25
Yeah. I haven't seen it before.
21:28
I know it's been done. This isn't new, but I think it
21:32
fits the movie. I like the use of it.
21:34
I think it's not used too much. I think it's used appropriately.
21:37
OK. OK, I disagree.
21:40
I think it's being kind of too cute by half by having the frame
21:47
change and characters walking from one frame to another of the
21:51
split screen. Yeah, I think in this one,
21:54
Kostner is like shoulders actually in Leroy's shots.
21:58
I don't miss that. And there's nothing wrong with
22:00
it. It's just like a lack of
22:01
subtlety. It's like the post it note.
22:04
It's just hammering you in with all of this split screen, split
22:07
screen, split screen. You know a guy like Brian
22:09
Depalma who will talk about later the year.
22:12
Use a slit screen. I think effectively where and
22:16
conveying different bits of information in the right ways.
22:20
This is, I think, more style than substance.
22:23
There's no reason why these two things need to happen side by
22:26
side, especially if they're crossing into one another
22:29
anyway. Makes you jump jump.
22:33
It just feels a little too. Much I I I like the commitment
22:37
to it, though, and if you're gonna do it, do it.
22:39
I wouldn't want just to do it once.
22:40
It's gonna have just feels like totally out of whack.
22:42
But it all came across as just trying to be like style flourish
22:45
and I felt inappropriate. Shall.
22:47
We. Show we for a movie that doesn't
22:49
really need it or have it. And as a director, that doesn't
22:51
really have it either. Now, Speaking of Leary, I
22:54
compared this relationship with Brad Pitt and Seymour Hoffman.
23:00
Oh yeah, OK, for Moneyball, that's dynamic, sure.
23:04
Action, yeah. We all loved Hoffman's
23:07
performances and like everything, and that wasn't a
23:09
big role for. Him.
23:10
No. But he just delivered it, right?
23:13
This is obviously different because it's two different.
23:16
Actors. Different movies, different
23:18
sports. Yeah.
23:18
But you expect a certain level of intensity from Dennis Leary?
23:23
Yes. Did you get that?
23:25
No, I like that he was angry, but he wasn't angry.
23:28
Enough. He's like a little tame.
23:30
I find that the movie kind of sells him a little short, as
23:33
does Sunny as a character. He's a coach who's trying to get
23:37
his team together and the idea that Sunny is going to kind of
23:41
Bigfoot him feels like who would wanna work in that environment.
23:47
And the idea that he's a hack coach, this is a problem I have
23:50
in general. Yeah, we're going to talk about
23:52
professional wrestling just for a second, OK?
23:54
There's an old thing I remember hearing when I was younger.
23:57
He can't go out there and say you're the worst, you're a
24:00
weakling, you're puts, you're a garbage human being and I'm
24:03
going to beat you in 5 seconds because if you lose, you just
24:06
lost to a guy that's garbage. And if you win, what does it
24:09
matter? You just beat a garbage guy.
24:11
It's like Rocky Balboa. Exactly that movie.
24:13
Totally. So by sort of setting up Leery
24:17
as this half assed coach that couldn't really get it done with
24:21
the Cowboys, they did it all themselves.
24:23
Didn't need him. He's irrelevant to the equation.
24:27
Then why does Coster want him to begin with?
24:30
And why does it matter if he stays or goes if Costner's only
24:34
mission is to get his team on the field?
24:37
I just didn't. So like the friction makes
24:39
sense, yes, but the story around it.
24:42
Why would you have hired him in the 1st place?
24:43
Why would you hire him? Why does it matter?
24:45
Why do you want to keep him? Let him quit or not?
24:48
Like it just feels like he's a trash coach that doesn't belong
24:51
here, and yet at the end, we're supposed to feel galvanized that
24:56
he's going to make some real great moves right away.
24:59
I'm like I don't really understand why this relationship
25:01
matters. Yeah, there's a little bit of a
25:02
lack of commitment to go all the way with some of the characters.
25:04
It's almost half baked, sure in some ways, but I think the
25:08
movies met be a little bit light.
25:11
Yeah, it's almost like the Disney version of draft day.
25:13
Sure. And some aspects, yeah, they
25:15
kept the kind of clean and it's probably a lot more sure dirty
25:19
behind the scenes. Within the context of the movie,
25:22
it doesn't make sense to me, that's all.
25:24
But Kevin Costner delivering it, it seems it's fine.
25:26
I don't know why everything he says.
25:28
If I could type cast Kevin Costner, this is the role, OK.
25:32
I would want him to do. Sure.
25:34
I don't know what it is about. I think he's good in the movie.
25:36
Yeah. I think it's the character
25:38
problem. A lot of the characters lack
25:39
some debt. Yeah, that's that's reality.
25:41
They're not going too deep like the abyss, and the whole Leary
25:45
thing climaxes with him coming to this office and burning the
25:49
draft analysis. Yeah, yeah, don't need anymore.
25:53
I mean, he's making a scene, Yeah.
25:55
He's not loving it. Tell you that, But I tell you
25:59
one thing I would love is to earn reverence.
26:01
OK. I don't know if I ever will.
26:03
Doubtful. I don't have to do it.
26:04
Slow start. Yeah, but Sonny's dad did.
26:07
Yeah. And that's how he's kind of
26:08
shuts Larry up with. That sure respect my father who
26:11
deserves it. Yeah, yeah.
26:12
It's tough call. The sunny senior Paul, that kind
26:18
of hangs over this movie. It gets referenced a couple of
26:21
times. Sure.
26:21
Yeah, doesn't really spend a lot of time on anything of any real
26:25
substance. So acknowledging that he's there
26:28
and kind of having these moments where someone pushed in the
26:30
wrong way and will say the wrong thing or what have you, and you
26:33
kind of get a sense. And certainly the introduction
26:34
of his mother and stuff later. So it's there to add a little
26:38
bit of drama to Sonny's character, but it's really
26:40
irrelevant to the movie itself. The relevance and the reverence
26:44
is irrelevant. What's becoming relevant in 2014
26:49
is Twitter. True.
26:51
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're not. They're on Twitter, That's a
26:54
thing now? Yeah.
26:56
And he calls Mac cause he's tweeting.
26:58
Yeah, everybody knows about it, right?
27:00
That's the whole idea. He made this one trade at 7:15.
27:04
Everybody is talking about it. And that's the power of the
27:06
Internet. But there's a big take away
27:08
from. The scene.
27:09
Yeah, this is 30 minutes into the movie and we finally get, I
27:12
guess, the first interesting bit of information about Bo
27:16
Callahan. Yeah, the amount of information.
27:19
If I told you and I granted it's not your world, I get it.
27:23
But if I told you about the 1976 April 18th game in Mile High
27:28
Stadium, were you able to determine, Oh yeah, that's the
27:32
time you sacked him five times and that's the day that, you
27:34
know, did a 60? Year, sure yeah, returned so
27:37
forth. Oh yeah, totally.
27:37
You would remember this. OK, 04 sacks in college OK,
27:41
that's the game. But the fact he says watch what
27:44
happens after and leaves it there, that's drama.
27:50
The issue I have with that is I don't know if Mac would notice
27:53
as much to what's happening to the play.
27:55
Sure, from a bird's eye view you might be able to see that, or
27:58
from a coaching thing, but who knows?
28:00
I actually have an issue more later with what we're actually
28:03
talking. About but a four sack game is
28:05
going to be noteworthy. But if he's that good 7th pick,
28:07
does that make sense? I don't know, Yeah.
28:09
OK, it's just because defence isn't flashy.
28:11
That's fair. That's the problem.
28:12
The people that are flashy are the quarterbacks, like primarily
28:17
the big ones, Big Combine. And Brian Drews, he's been the
28:21
guy for eight seasons. Phillip Little long in the tooth
28:24
for me, but quarterbacks as we know can play till about 4041 of
28:29
the good ones. The great One never touched,
28:30
right? Yeah.
28:31
Yeah, if you don't have the arm, you don't vote Mac.
28:34
On the other side of things, you might survive.
28:36
It's all about the old line. I don't know if you knew that.
28:39
The offensive line, If you have a good old line, you're good.
28:41
Sure, Drew doesn't need to have strong legs, but he does.
28:44
He's been working in the offseason.
28:46
Last squats. Squats 400 or something. 300
28:50
something this guy, this is a random thing and it's a TV
28:53
reference, so you might appreciate it.
28:55
Smallville. No, no.
28:56
The trainer OHS telling him about how good a shape that drew
29:00
is in. He played a football player in
29:03
the first season of Sports Night, which is written by Aaron
29:07
Sorkin, who went on to The West Wing, and we've talked.
29:09
About the. American president and so forth.
29:11
So that's some connection there. And he talks about how I could
29:14
beat you up. I bench pressed 3 bills and
29:17
yadda yadda yadda. And that's in 1999.
29:19
This movie comes out 2324 years later and he still uses the term
29:26
three bills and I was like I know I only thing I know from
29:29
that guy is saying 3 bills in 1999 and I'm right back in 2016
29:34
thinking he's still known for. That.
29:36
But it's at this point, after hearing that about Drew and
29:40
after the conversations he's had with Bo a little bit, his son,
29:43
he's having doubts. He has the whole water on the
29:46
face washroom scene. Very common.
29:48
Hmm. Yeah, You know what I'm talking
29:49
about. Absolutely.
29:50
And he has these three guys. Find me something on Callahan.
29:55
Yeah. There's got to be a weakness.
29:57
Everybody has one and all they found is a website.
30:02
Boy, did they. Feels a little dated.
30:05
Yeah. Cool.
30:06
Back then to exploit people, Ask Diddy.
30:09
That's right up his alley. But from there we get a nice
30:13
little story about some names, even you probably.
30:16
Know, of course. Where he talks about Joe Montana
30:19
being too small, Elway threw too hard, too strong, and Peyton
30:24
Manning couldn't throw deep and they all were thought to have
30:29
these issues. Hall of Fame quarterbacks.
30:32
Basically says figure it out, there's something and then let
30:36
me know if it matters and if we can live with it.
30:39
That set up, what is it? Why it matters and can we live
30:43
it with it. That line alone is what the
30:46
movie should spend more time on. I would watch that movie.
30:49
Yeah, the movie doesn't really get into that too much in the
30:51
From Here, but I love those 3 points and how it affects and
30:56
can affect everything moving forward.
30:58
It kind of dips its toe in a lot of different pools, and it's
31:02
almost like the arcade version of what they're trying to do
31:05
here, make it dramatic, make it accessible to everybody.
31:09
And I think it succeeds in a lot of ways, but at the expense of
31:12
maybe some things like that. Yeah, for sure.
31:15
I didn't feel like it was missing, but I got excited when
31:17
you're like, oh, this is going to be the thing.
31:19
But those guys are really just used for comedic relief and
31:22
whatever else. Let's get Ralph in there.
31:34
He's the chief of security, for lack of a better term.
31:38
I don't know what he is listed on.
31:39
And the payroll officially, You'd have to ask Allie.
31:41
She's in charge of salary cap handles.
31:43
All the money. He mentions Bo is pretty
31:46
vanilla, which is certainly not my favorite flavor of ice cream.
31:50
No, I like chocolate with a lot of chocolate sauce loaded on
31:55
there. I prefer the thick stuff, but
31:57
I'll use Nestle Quickie in a pinch.
32:00
OK, more accessible? Sure.
32:02
You ever do the hard shell? You want?
32:04
No, no, I'm out. Yeah.
32:05
No, that's stupid things you say, idiot, but there's this
32:10
possibility that none of his friends and you can relate to
32:14
this went to his. Birthday party?
32:19
Yeah, there's a story told about a 21st birthday party.
32:21
Things got out of hand. It got a little crazy, and the
32:25
people that weren't there, it turns out, are any of his
32:27
teammates. I think the best person to
32:30
really get to the heart of the truth would be Sam Elliott, if
32:33
you could trust anyone. Exactly.
32:34
Great storyteller. Yes.
32:36
And it reminded me of Varsity Blues a little bit.
32:39
Tell me. More the fact that maybe the
32:41
police left all the players names off of the report because
32:46
of their careers and and such. Yeah, they want to label them.
32:49
They don't want to sort of tarnish their reputations and
32:51
whatever. Else so Ralph says they took all
32:53
the names. So I think it helps the movie
32:56
leave that little bit in limbo where we're not really sure
32:59
about Beau. Sure, yeah, it's another
33:02
example, right? Volunteers said.
33:04
Check out what happens after. And now they're saying he may or
33:09
may not have any friends. Sam Elliott is great in this
33:11
scene. How he tears Sunny down.
33:14
Like no, your theory is probably right.
33:17
Like this guy is on a fast track to superstardom, but you know he
33:20
probably doesn't have any friends.
33:21
No friends, Definitely not. You're right.
33:23
It doesn't mean real friends. Fake friends.
33:26
Tons, loads of them. And a lot of those friends are
33:28
probably Janes. Could use a couple of.
33:33
Jeans, couple jeans. Because that's the next quick
33:36
conversation with Larry. Because the Bills or Colin
33:39
snooping around. Because Larry made a call.
33:41
Yeah, because you made a phone call.
33:43
That's right. And he's like, well, we have to
33:46
use a Jane. Yeah, I got a whole locker full
33:48
of of Tarzans. That'd be an interesting.
33:50
Locker room, yeah, sounds all I'm saying. 20 Tarzans in a
33:54
Jane. Yeah, Awkward, awkward words.
33:57
We have a moment of Sunny really trying to come to terms with his
34:01
legacy. We talked about relevance and
34:04
where his dad kind of fits into the spectrum of reverence and
34:07
reverence to. And Sunny is wrestling with that
34:10
and talking to Garner about how we just wanted to have one
34:16
season with his team on the field.
34:17
Oh yes, this is a nice. This, I feel like, is the
34:21
emotional heart of the movie. I don't know that it gets to
34:25
where it needs to go, but fundamentally he's wrestling
34:28
with the idea that last year was his dad's season, this is his
34:32
window and because of the splash he had to make and he's painted
34:36
into a corner and he's being pushed around by a few
34:38
different. Elements and making bad
34:39
decisions. Admittedly so.
34:40
And fleeced. His, you know, situation?
34:44
I wondered. He got Kirkland.
34:46
Yeah. I wondered how you felt about
34:48
how this scene is projected. And, you know, you're a Costner
34:50
guy and you're saying you typecast like this is his type
34:52
of role. I think this is the one moment
34:54
in the movie where he has some vulnerability or a little bit of
34:59
heart. Yeah, You connect on any of
35:00
that? I did.
35:01
I think if you're going to connect, this is probably the
35:04
scene even more so than later. I like things that happen later,
35:08
but with his character specifically, this is as good as
35:11
it's going to get. I think it could have been
35:13
better overall. Sure, I want it more.
35:15
It left me wanting. And I think that story about Joe
35:19
Montana noticing John Candy in the stands relaxes all his
35:24
players. The great line about you can't
35:28
stop a ticking clock, but the great ones find a way to slow it
35:32
down. And I think this is the closest
35:34
you can get to romance. In football.
35:38
Oh, interesting. Yeah.
35:39
And that's what we love about baseball movies, especially
35:42
Moneyball for me in particular. And we always critique other
35:45
sports, but not really being able to get there in movie form.
35:49
And this like his performance, this is going to be as close as
35:53
it gets. And it has me, you know the
35:56
watery like a lie. I think it's fair to say this
35:58
movie probably doesn't get made without Moneyball.
36:00
I think this is probably riding that wave.
36:02
Three years later. Yeah.
36:03
Emotionality. Sure.
36:04
Sports. And what the behind the scenes?
36:06
Stuff is you. Know sports movie that's not
36:08
about sports. I think there's probably a
36:10
through line there. And I think that's why this
36:12
succeeds for me in a lot of ways, because it's not on the
36:15
field. So let's say, just to put it
36:17
into a context, you've said before, football is not on your
36:20
top echelon. I just say it.
36:22
Does this movie make it more romantic?
36:26
Or your relationship to football may be more romantic?
36:29
Or does it achieve what Moneyball does for baseball?
36:31
Do you leave the feeling the same?
36:32
Way I like it in a vacuum. Can I say that here?
36:36
I never really understood the whole vacuum thing.
36:37
I have a vacuum Dyson, it's pretty good.
36:41
Good warranty on it, but I only a romantic about football for an
36:46
hour and 50 minutes. OK.
36:49
Baseball. It lives outside of Moneyball.
36:51
I see now the other Yeah. But day after day after day,
36:54
yeah, You're drafting, you're feeling.
36:56
It exactly. I'm eating it up.
36:58
So yeah, OK, well, I don't really like the romance at all
37:01
between the two characters, but I do see that romance of hmm, I
37:07
just want a perfect game or I just want a perfect team or, you
37:10
know, whatever else. Those kind of I.
37:11
Like the through line of the relationship, OK, They it's not
37:15
in your face. It's there.
37:17
It exists, it's grounded, it's natural, it's fluid.
37:20
I think it's just there to have a girlfriend in the role.
37:23
I don't think it's necessary. The baby thing is unnecessary to
37:25
the characters. To me it might be, but it just,
37:28
it fits to me. I don't know, it just adds
37:31
another item to his plate. Sure, more complications or
37:35
whatever. Yeah.
37:36
To me it's like taking a box. You're like, oh, we got a
37:38
relationship. No, just make the salary cap
37:41
woman his girlfriend. OK, great.
37:43
Done. That might be right, but I think
37:45
at least it's executed well enough.
37:48
Where it doesn't have decent. Actor, it doesn't stick out as
37:50
like, oh, I wish they hadn't done it.
37:52
It may not be bring as much as you'd like.
37:55
You'd have to check the tape again.
37:57
And that's what we're going to do here, Phil.
37:59
We're going to check the tape. We alluded to it earlier because
38:02
he needs to find out after this conversation with Gardner.
38:04
Yeah. Gardner Garner.
38:06
Yeah. Is both a guy?
38:08
I had a couple of comments about this.
38:10
Now you have anything before I dig in?
38:13
No, not really, no. My curiosity with this scene
38:16
comes twofold. Right number of folds.
38:18
The the 1st is Vante asked him to do this hours ago and before
38:25
he yelled at his team to find out.
38:27
You're you're the time guy. Now, before all of that, he was
38:30
advised to do it. Now that wouldn't bother me
38:33
generally, however tell the story, sure.
38:35
However, at some point in between that and now, Garner
38:41
says to him to try and assuage his fears and anxieties.
38:46
You see things others don't. Yeah, You have a knack, you have
38:50
an ability. You see what's underneath, you
38:52
figure it out. Vante figured it out, and this
38:55
guy only just now decided to look it up.
38:57
That's not him figuring it out. It's like Rob as hero in
39:00
Everest. It's not a problem.
39:02
It's not a problem to the. Movie, I think it's a problem
39:04
for you. But it's setting up Leery as a
39:06
shitty coach and showing Costner as the genius behind it all, and
39:12
he's not really finding it out now.
39:15
Later when he's doing the deals, there's a little bit of like
39:18
you're playing the angles. Set it too soon I.
39:20
Think, but that stuff is not like he's looking at the paper
39:23
and going oh, that's the guy and here's why.
39:26
Yeah, he knew he wanted Vonta to begin with, so that part isn't
39:29
in question. Just feels like why does this
39:32
scene matter so much? And I like the execution of it.
39:36
Play what happens next. Play what happens next.
39:38
I just think this should have happened a while ago.
39:41
And it's not him discovering something.
39:43
It's Vonte saying, hey, look at this, you missed it.
39:46
It's just something you say. Sure, make them feel better.
39:50
Sure, there's nothing wrong with it.
39:52
It's when you compound these things, it just doesn't really
39:55
land. And on 2nd watch, because it's
39:58
happening in close succession. Now, we talked before, a movie
40:00
only has to work once. A great movie works.
40:03
Yeah. A great movie works 100 times.
40:06
A perfect movie will always work.
40:08
Yeah. Armageddon.
40:08
Yeah, yeah. And other movies can just be
40:10
fine for the 90 or 105 or 135 minutes.
40:13
And where this movie I think starts to fail is in this
40:16
rewatch, where it becomes clear the relationships and the
40:21
murkiness within that becomes a little bit more prominent, like,
40:24
oh, that's not really his thing any more questions at all.
40:29
When she says that, I'm like, I don't think he's proven that to
40:34
me, no, up to this point. But maybe she knows things that
40:37
we don't. Let's give him the benefit.
40:39
He knows Vonte is great, and that doesn't bother me because
40:42
Vonte is great for Sacks, right? Exactly.
40:45
So he's got his name written. The issue is, all throughout the
40:48
movie, what do we know? What don't we know about Bo
40:50
Callahan that no one else has seen?
40:53
Except Vonte has seen it, and that's the.
40:54
Issue you're right. Scouts, scouts is the issue.
40:57
That's the thing. Like you got this entire
40:59
infrastructure, just make it count drama.
41:03
That really like from that scene though about checking the tape
41:07
is the objection. Yes, yes, yes, yes and I think
41:11
the music manipulates me as well.
41:12
I don't mean manipulates in a bad way.
41:14
That's what music does ultimately, and I think little
41:17
moments like this cover up What you just talked about is I love
41:21
that emotional impact of giving the ball to a sister.
41:24
She dies six months later. Yeah, Leary kind of shits on
41:28
that emotional parade, unfortunately, but that's his
41:30
character. I get it.
41:31
It's fine. But it's just a beautiful moment
41:34
to have in the movie. Totally.
41:36
I think it's a little undercut by the people in the other scene
41:39
because it's just, it's all too easy, right?
41:41
Where it's like, oh, look at this idiot.
41:44
You can't do that. You can't wait a minute.
41:46
His mother died. Yes, she did, didn't she?
41:47
Six months later. It's such an exposition, but
41:50
watching Vante in that moment gets very effective to bring
41:54
some humanity to Vonte for sure. And they try to add on to a
41:57
little bit of the emotionality with the next scene when we're
42:00
dealing with the $100 bill. Phil, I don't know if this is a
42:04
real thing. And I'll be honest with you,
42:05
being a somewhat of a football guy, I don't really care about
42:08
any of that in this movie. I just entertain me, make it
42:11
work, and who gives a shit? Yeah, exactly.
42:14
I'm getting better. See.
42:15
No, I appreciate. It and this could be something
42:17
to do. So they've slap on $100 bill in
42:19
the back of the playbook and they ultimately find out who
42:23
reads it, who doesn't. I think it's not a bad idea.
42:25
Totally makes sense. Even if it doesn't happen in
42:29
reality, it's still a reasonable enough thing.
42:31
And Bo Callahan is a filthy liar.
42:35
Twice. Twice.
42:37
Not only didn't read it and then lied about reading it when he
42:41
got busted. Yeah, not a good character.
42:44
That's what it comes down to, yeah.
42:45
Who did read it though the whole thing?
42:48
And sent it back. Yeah, well, the one and only
42:50
Brian drew eight years in. Tom Welling, Superman himself.
42:56
We need that 100. Bucks yeah he's fine yeah do you
42:59
like Ralph how he's like ask me this yes ask me that I like how
43:03
costers character calls it out cause it's.
43:05
Exactly, totally doing. I actually, I think that's
43:07
really in the movie. Like the line, Jesus Christ
43:10
talked to me like you're like, you actually called me.
43:13
He's like, I'm tired of playing the fucking games.
43:15
Just talk to me. It's got some pretty good
43:17
dialogue in this. Pretty good generally speaking.
43:19
Totally pretty well written, may not be too deep.
43:22
Some characters, but I get that. However, saying that, I think
43:27
they want us to get a little aer here when he brings in his mom
43:31
and his ex-wife. That's the next.
43:33
That was job phase. Patricia Arquette out of Nowhere
43:38
and Ellen Burstyn, that we know that is from the Interstellar
43:41
Wars. Yeah, that too.
43:43
Yeah, different people, different directions, sure, but
43:48
she's wonderful. Both in the archives.
43:50
I don't like her hair. Oh yeah, it's in that 2000.
43:52
Yeah, I guess it's all the rage. Yeah, we did find.
43:55
Out from our Big Lebowski episode that you're a cremation
43:57
guy. Oh, absolutely.
43:58
You're into that. So you're on board here.
44:01
Yeah, totally. It feels timings off this.
44:03
Another one where it just feels tacked on, kind of like that
44:05
other scene. It wants us to feel things.
44:07
It's trying to pile on these. It's too many things that he has
44:10
to deal with. That's basically what he says.
44:13
Like it's like a smart today. Yeah, it's just like it could be
44:16
anytime. It's so the urgency is kind of
44:19
silly to me. So all of this scene feels
44:21
movie. And there's other stuff in the
44:22
movie that in this one that I don't feel that like it feels
44:24
natural. It feels flowing.
44:26
It makes sense. The dialogue is real.
44:28
There's enough reality happening, lived in.
44:30
And the way that the movie takes real players and real
44:33
characters, real people, and mixes them in with the movie and
44:36
the setting and the staging. Deon Sanders, baby.
44:39
So all of those elements add some credulity, and then these
44:41
scenes come out. Here's your father.
44:43
His last wish was on what today had to be done.
44:46
Like it just feels questionable, a little on the nose, a little
44:49
heavy-handed. And of course, to bring in Alley
44:53
to the mix. Is a little Amy?
44:55
Are those Amy? It's not Amy.
44:57
Come on. You know that.
44:58
Ellen doesn't know that you're better.
45:00
Than she's supposed to know. Though, And she does.
45:02
She's just. Being I I do like that dynamic
45:05
though with the four of them. OK, just the the ex-wife with
45:08
her look. Oh, it's her.
45:10
It's OHK. Yeah.
45:11
And then the quotations, it's it's.
45:12
Little gestures with the head, with the hands.
45:15
Sure. That's why Ellen is amazing.
45:18
Yeah, the performance is in this movie generally are all solid.
45:21
Yeah. It's just sort of why this scene
45:23
is happening. I have an issue with like, you
45:26
know, does it matter? People die, Phil.
45:28
I get it. I will die everyday doesn't mean
45:31
they have to go down the 50 yard line at noon on draft on draft
45:34
day all the days like luckily if they'd established in some way
45:38
that was one really special day for your dad or like a.
45:42
Real. You're talking my language.
45:43
Give me one line. Something but the randomness of
45:46
it and the urgency of it just feels tacked on for it just for
45:49
a movie sake. Ironically, I didn't need a
45:51
line. I'm fine with it.
45:53
You choose buddy, choose. Although I have a feeling you
45:58
might have further issues with this scene because I picked up
46:01
on it a little bit the second watch and I'm thinking this is
46:06
going to irk fill. It's the worst thing.
46:08
OK. It's I hate it more than
46:10
anything. First time didn't even think of.
46:13
It I noticed it first. Time like, well, wait a minute.
46:18
Just give it to us, Phil. This movie wants us to believe
46:22
that Kevin Costner is so wrapped up in the draft day he couldn't
46:25
possibly, for a single solitary second, calm down and spend time
46:29
with his mom. Yeah, and deal with his dad's
46:32
cremation. Who he does not hate.
46:33
Has no. Issue with.
46:36
But he has no time. It's too much.
46:38
She can't take a second. David, He's too busy.
46:42
And 30 seconds later, Ali says you look rough.
46:47
Do you need some fresh air? They go for a walk.
46:50
Where do they go for a walk, Dave?
46:51
'S in the vicinity. Of the field, the God damn field
46:55
that he just said 5 seconds ago. There's no fucking way I've got
46:58
time to deal with. It listen, you're taking this
47:01
way out of context. He doesn't want to do that.
47:04
Uh huh. But this is what?
47:06
He wants to do that air at the 50 yard line with mom in the
47:10
ashes. It's not fresh.
47:12
It's got ash. You don't want Ash over here by
47:15
the bench with your lady friends.
47:19
She just has a way with them. Yeah, clearly it's bullshit.
47:23
It's a good relationship they have.
47:24
And what bothers me even more than that is how irritated he is
47:30
2 minutes later when the mom is on the field with other people
47:35
to do the ash. Thing she's sticking it.
47:38
Yeah, I don't think they have a great relationship in there.
47:40
I think it's a relationship with a mom issue.
47:42
Sure. So I don't want to do it because
47:45
because of the mom where Ali is like, she's been my rock.
47:49
The fucking world is big, the fresh air is everywhere.
47:53
It's all have those scenes back-to-back is stupid.
47:56
Writing one, it's just bad. Right, one word.
47:58
It's all about the approach. That's how it was.
48:01
Mom approached it versus how Allie approached it.
48:04
He needs fresh air, Phil. He needs it.
48:07
We both know it. We could probably use some.
48:10
Be honest. And how his mom is saying let's
48:14
get some fresh air versus how Allie is saying it, Huh?
48:17
I'm the same place at the same time on Team Alley.
48:20
Yeah. It's all about Team Joe.
48:22
You're all about delivery. Either way, he's going outside.
48:24
How you get him there is about the outside is everywhere else
48:28
but this one spot. It's just a stupid storytelling
48:30
point. The point is, Phil is he didn't
48:32
fire his dad. Mom.
48:35
Big. Reveal his mom did so that's the
48:37
problem here. His dad was dying.
48:39
You don't. It's not like his mom was being
48:41
some manipulative hand or shrewd, she was saying.
48:44
He died anyway. Let him die in the field.
48:46
That's where he's happy. He's unhappy with her at home
48:50
Problem. Anyways, I got it.
49:03
Roger Goodell Oh yeah, Commissioner.
49:05
Yeah. You know who?
49:06
Lifetime appointment seems that way.
49:07
He's been there an awful long time.
49:10
Ray Lewis, Baltimore. Raven not flashy.
49:13
He exactly. And he was one of the best in
49:15
his time. Super Bowl with the Ravens, who
49:17
were formerly the Browns. I did not know this.
49:21
This is established in the movie had no.
49:22
Idea. And then the Browns end up
49:24
coming back anyways. Expansion.
49:26
It's a funky world. Yeah, But he, Ray Lewis was
49:30
picked 26th. And I love Melina.
49:32
He says, well, that's good, too. This, his delivery of that is
49:36
like, I don't know what to say here, but it's just funny.
49:38
So that just gives us an idea of the splash, if you will.
49:42
Maybe he wasn't like these things.
49:44
Who knows? Right.
49:45
You don't know, you don't know, you don't know a lot of first
49:47
round picks like we talked about with Brady, you said 199 or.
49:50
Something 199. Guy turns out to be the greatest
49:52
of all time. Ryan Leaf went second, and I
49:56
forget what year it was, and he was a complete flop, throwing
49:59
interception after interception. And it was brutal.
50:02
Yeah, I forget how it all went down, but it was just a bad, bad
50:06
call. And how do you know?
50:07
Even like Moneyball? Billy Bean, Yeah, it's another
50:09
example was the guy. And no, he wasn't.
50:12
Turns out he was. You don't know.
50:14
You walk in there, you know, you don't know.
50:17
I didn't quite get that right. But you know, you know I get.
50:19
It great little scene. And this is where Ali gives
50:25
Sunny the green. Yeah, sorry for you the yellow
50:28
paper. So you know, I slip that in
50:31
there in case you didn't. Notice that's right.
50:34
Yeah, there it. Is.
50:35
Yeah, it's the seventh time that there's been a close up on this
50:37
piece of paper I get. It and Speaking of pieces of
50:41
paper you're good friend Kevin Dunn my boy Dave fame he gets a
50:47
piece of paper with the name on it.
50:50
Yeah because they're on the clock.
50:52
They are on the clock. 10 minutes pick up on that.
50:55
Yeah, good, because it came up a few times.
50:58
They're all worried because Sunny is in alone and is
51:01
somewhere he's not even with everybody else.
51:03
He finally comes. In they had a tradition.
51:04
They do it all together, but they don't.
51:06
We'll start it back up again when we start winning again,
51:08
which tells me you wouldn't start up again because now
51:11
you're winning. You were doing that tradition
51:12
when you were losing. Let's stick with the new
51:14
tradition. With the winning.
51:15
Tradition. Yeah, that's my one day pick.
51:17
There it is. This whole movie finally got it.
51:18
I think it'll still likely stay on the shelf, but we'll see.
51:23
And essentially they waste three their picks because they take
51:27
the guy they were going to pick at 7:00.
51:30
So they pick us first, first overall.
51:31
That would upset people, Yeah, including Dennis.
51:35
Layers or quits softly. It's a soft quit.
51:39
It's a soft quit. What I don't like about this,
51:41
your buddy Kevin Dunne. No real reaction.
51:44
I think he sees it. I think he knows.
51:47
And he gives a thumbs up to Molina, who's got the Callahan
51:51
jersey. Might want to get some egg on
51:54
his face if that's the. Case Yeah, yeah, I like egg, but
51:58
not on the. Face No.
51:59
Yeah, it's a little silly. It's obviously strange, some
52:01
credulity, but it's a nice scene.
52:02
I like those guys anyway, so I was fine with it.
52:04
And vote is, you know, again, Chadwick, great actor.
52:08
So all of those scenes I think are really great.
52:10
Him playing and realizing he's the number one draft pick
52:13
overall and feeling that surrounded.
52:15
By family. And stuff.
52:16
Like I thought that's a really powerful kind of moment.
52:18
Beautiful. I love the fact that he's not
52:19
even there. Like he puts his family first.
52:22
Like we're going to celebrate here, we're going to do all my
52:24
house. He certainly didn't expect to be
52:27
picked first or even maybe in the first round because of the
52:30
way the draft goes and what have.
52:32
You. But just to make sure we know,
52:35
we got another shot of the piece of.
52:37
Paper. Leary reads it.
52:38
Yeah, Vonte Mack, No matter. What?
52:40
That's right. If only we had all seen that
52:42
piece of paper earlier. The movie would have been a lot
52:44
worse. Yeah, I like it.
52:47
Sure. It's a nice reveal.
52:48
Beautiful. Better than the Oreos.
52:53
Yeah. And he has one last final quiet
52:56
time with Allie's been the third or fourth time.
52:58
I don't know if this one is in a closet.
53:00
I might be in an office now. Could be.
53:01
I think they gave up the whole secret thing at this point.
53:03
Yes. And they talk about the pick.
53:05
The correct path is the tortured one.
53:08
That makes a lot of sense to me. Our friend Pat can't believe it
53:13
looks a lot like our friends. Look a lot like Tim Simons.
53:17
There you go and Bo. Keeps dropping no one wants.
53:21
Them well, what happens when the most obvious pick there's got to
53:25
be a defect in this guy and people either don't need a
53:29
quarterback in the case of the Denver.
53:30
Broncos and Seattle Seahawks, it turns out.
53:33
Somehow still trying to think that one through to have
53:37
something to say there and it gets the.
53:41
What do you call that the? Hamster wheel.
53:43
Yeah, that's it. Mine wasn't working there
53:45
obviously but of maybe we can swing something.
53:49
Here and now we get Kostner in. This is like your unbreakable
53:53
moment to me, right? It's like you've played dormant
53:56
for most of the movie, kind of OneNote Latent, you know, and
54:00
now it's his time to actually show he's a GM and so that he
54:04
knows the angles and he can play the whatever.
54:08
I love this. Sequence in terms of a way to
54:10
end a movie OK wonderful because I was concerned with you liking
54:13
this movie over all for the factors that you've brought us
54:15
sure you're very predictable yeah it's.
54:18
Just that well reasoned and laid out pretty clearly.
54:20
But I was hoping that you least you would be able to get
54:23
something here in the last, you know, 1520 minutes.
54:26
So I'm happy to hear that. We'll break it down because
54:29
there's a lot to take in here, and I'll admit, the first time I
54:32
watched this, I didn't get it. OK, I was probably drunk.
54:37
Actually, 2016. So I didn't get like all the
54:40
picks over here and now it's the Jaguars switcharoo.
54:43
It's pretty clear now. I mean, it would never happen,
54:46
but I get the that was my question more of like, does
54:49
that, do those kinds of deals happen in that tight of time
54:53
frame, 10 minutes to make the deal, Who's signing contracts at
54:57
this point? How does that?
54:58
Even I've never really, I've never watched the draft.
55:00
I know the results of it, but I don't, OK, That's not like you
55:04
with the Oscars. I don't take an interest that
55:05
much in it. I don't really know enough about
55:08
the players, sure. Like you and the Oscars.
55:10
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
55:12
I've been to a movie theatre, but this would be from what I
55:15
understand, it's completely unrealistic, but again,
55:19
whatever. Yeah, for the movie purposes
55:21
worked fine. I just was curious.
55:22
Casual fan. Totally.
55:23
I'm fine with it. I thought it was interesting the
55:26
way it all played out. And if that was the case, I
55:28
started to think about like the logistics, like, OK, well, who's
55:31
you told me? I got that pic.
55:33
OK, I guess you have that pick. Like who's signing anyway?
55:36
The only thing that's really, actually unrealistic is the
55:38
travel time that it takes from Molina.
55:40
Oh yeah, to get there. The Gulfstream.
55:43
Yeah, yeah, you can't do that. But yeah, look at who.
55:46
Cares. I really thought it was really
55:48
well executed. I really enjoyed the sort of
55:50
culmination of all of this. What did you think of the actor
55:52
playing Jeff Carson, the Jaguars GM who's got the 6th pick?
55:59
His own kid. He's the young kid.
56:01
Yeah, pretty good. I thought his performance was
56:03
just bang on. You tell me this guy is a young,
56:06
inexperienced GM. This headlights nails.
56:09
It really. And I love how Sonny's approach
56:13
to him is he wants something, of course, but it's respectful.
56:17
This is good for both of us. And I, you know, you buy it, I
56:20
buy it. I don't know if it's true.
56:21
Maybe they can land would have fit perfectly with, I don't
56:24
know. Tough to say.
56:25
Yeah, tough to say. But overall, I like the way that
56:27
it all culminates for a movie that up until that point, I've
56:31
had some ups and downs with. As we've talked about, you can
56:34
open strong and it'll carry you. Yes, like Great Wall.
56:39
Yeah, right. Or if you're opening and fumble,
56:44
if you fumble at the beginning, it can take a long time to pick
56:47
up. Yeah, it's the same at the
56:48
ending, right? A great ending can make up, in
56:51
my view, for some of the the the questionable stuff beforehand.
56:55
The movie itself up until this point has been completely fine.
56:58
Adequate, OK, nice C plus watch. Nothing really special, nothing
57:04
I would really think about again.
57:05
I can only hope you. Gotta see plus out of you from
57:07
something on my shelves. And in this scene comes and
57:09
you're sort of like, yeah, of course this is where the movie
57:11
is going. But Costner's got a talent.
57:15
His relationship with Leary Garners.
57:17
Involved, like all of that. And the whole back thing was
57:19
great too. That was really the music.
57:21
Just the right time. And so I thought for delivering
57:24
and landing the plane, if you will, I thought it delivered and
57:26
as a result it left my taste in the mouth to be.
57:30
Pretty positive, Wonderful. And the Tom Michaels call that's
57:34
have this out because I think this is where you may have an
57:36
issue to him wanting Tom Callahan because you gave him
57:41
away. He didn't want him.
57:42
You sold him off for draft picks.
57:44
But now Sonny's like you want Bo Callahan, I want my 3 picks
57:47
back. Yeah, whatever.
57:49
But you didn't want Bo Callahan, right?
57:51
Would be your arguments. Yeah.
57:53
However, if you recall, they wanted his head.
57:57
Yes, the blogs are going crazy. And that could get you fired?
58:01
Sure. The owner.
58:02
Needs a splash. If your fans are pissed off of
58:05
you and they stop coming in the games, the first person to go is
58:09
usually the GM in that situation, maybe the coach.
58:11
I don't actually, I don't know somebody, somebody higher up.
58:14
It's not the owner outside of the heads.
58:16
Yeah. And the fact about the cost has
58:20
gone down right back where you left off and you come out ahead.
58:24
So I think that salvages the possible plot hole with why did
58:29
you not just take Callahan in the 1st place?
58:33
You get him now and you get him cheaper and you saved your job.
58:36
Yeah, I didn't really question those kind of.
58:38
Logistics. I had an issue at the front end
58:40
but by the time it gets to the bottom I'm like.
58:43
I've already run a high anyway. Just already accepted it.
58:45
In this instance, the payoff of it made some sense, even if the
58:48
explanation behind it didn't. Do you know what a punt returner
58:52
is though? I just didn't think it was a
58:55
position. Punt returner to me just sounds
58:57
so awkward to say. You know, linebacker, offensive
59:00
lineman, wide receiver, cornerback, like these are all
59:05
terms. Safety.
59:06
Safety that all have a kicker, a kind of an allure to them, let's
59:12
say punt returner. Hey, now you be.
59:15
Careful sounds like sort of trophies sounds boring.
59:19
It sounds made-up. It's.
59:20
Typically a dual role. So if you're a wide receiver,
59:22
you're also the punt returner. You may not be like the number
59:26
one wide receiver. You might be like further down
59:28
the depth chart, if you will. Or you might be a running back
59:31
or you might be a quarterback. I think Deon Sanders might have
59:34
been a punt returner. Actually, but I think on his
59:37
resume it would say. Receiver rather than I would say
59:40
cornerback, but he did. Something other than punt.
59:43
Return. Sure, yeah, you'll have your
59:45
other label. Yeah, on your tops OPG card.
59:48
Exactly. Probably wouldn't say.
59:50
Punt return. Maybe that's what I'm talking.
59:51
About that's what you're talking about, I'm with.
59:52
You wouldn't understand returner as a position.
59:55
Well, you know that David Putney is a damn good one.
59:58
And he takes them just because I'm just want him.
1:00:01
I just we need them. To different world now, 30
1:00:03
minutes later, he says. That's bookending that
1:00:06
conversation in the beginning didn't love that part of it, but
1:00:09
at the end it mean it gets me where I want to be essentially
1:00:11
from emotional. Yeah, sounds like now it gets
1:00:14
you where you need to be. Does the movie stay where it
1:00:18
needs to be? And the D section, yeah, draft
1:00:21
day, you know, because I don't care about the realism of it, of
1:00:24
the draft itself. Change of pace isn't just
1:00:27
fucking accept the movie exactly it's terms.
1:00:30
But I think the real reason why it stays on my shelf is nothing
1:00:34
stood out to me that I didn't like.
1:00:37
OK, there's certain things I didn't love.
1:00:39
Sure, but a completely likable movie.
1:00:41
Yeah, it's just like, nothing pissed me off.
1:00:44
Like the scenes you're talking about.
1:00:45
They're fine. They're not the best, but they
1:00:47
don't stand out as being, Oh my God, that's move past.
1:00:51
Even Inception has moments like I don't like this moment.
1:00:54
This doesn't have any of those. It's not always exciting
1:00:57
necessarily. Those closet scenes with Ali may
1:00:59
not blow your socks off, but it all makes sense in the movie and
1:01:04
ultimately it gets me at the end.
1:01:07
And that's the thing, I have the unbreakable moment.
1:01:09
Yeah, I thought you might. I did.
1:01:11
And my eyes get a little watery. Even more so the second time.
1:01:14
I may have watched it once after I got it in like 2016.
1:01:17
So it's probably my third and 4th watch and I'm not going to
1:01:21
go back to it anytime soon. But next draft comes around.
1:01:24
Is it a yearly could be that's that's that remains to be a
1:01:29
question. OK, But it solidifies a spot
1:01:32
because it succeeds in connecting with me emotionally
1:01:36
and not a lot of movies, as you know, do that.
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So for that, I have a lot of space on my show for those types
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of movies. So it's not going anywhere.
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Such a strange selection of movies if you really ever.
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Did marry out? Yeah.
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I should really publish my library.
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That would really get some eyebrows and some some what.
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How about you though, Phil? Did you like this more than
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Great Wall? That's where I'm gonna put the
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bar for this 100%. OK, Absolutely, I thought.
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For every accident in this movie made sense to me, it all worked
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out. This movie was, as you say,
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completely watchable. I had big issues with that one
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scene with the mom and the on the field, just because it's so
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ridiculously silly to have it so close together logistically.
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Yeah, The other stuff, you know what?
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It's bad storytelling or it's poor writing, but ultimately
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doesn't hurt the movie. Yes, this was such a blatant
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disregard for thematic storytelling that I was put off.
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But it didn't ruin the movie. But yeah, that's good.
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And there wasn't a lot in the movie else that I hated.
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Yeah, there were things I liked or didn't like, sure, yeah.
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But overall, I thought a perfectly serviceable, if you
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will. Well, I.
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Think I mean just Costner he. He's got a charm about him,
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yeah. Really elevates everything
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around him, I think. And a little older too.
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And we've done some younger costers, obviously.
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This is Pete Coster to me, in my opinion right here, 55 years old
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and around there maybe 60 but. Approaching Crocodile Dundee
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levels. Of leather and.
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So I really liked it. It's not gonna go on the shelf,
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it's not, but I do OK. I didn't hate watching it.
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I don't know if I would even recommend it, but I didn't.
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I don't have any issues with the time I spent with it.
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I also think it's a tight 14145 like.
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Yeah, 150 set. The right tone for the movie,
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sure, and nothing overstated is welcome.
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So overall, I thought it was a good, fine movie.
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And because I'm not a football guy, I love Moneyball and
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baseball movies. As we've talked about this, I
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think wants to be Moneyball and I do not think delivers to me on
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that same. Level no, but I I think it helps
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that it wanted to be though to get a little bit more
1:03:37
emotionality out of it. Sure.
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I think intention is there, it just didn't realize those points
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for Moneyball is like a top ten movie for me.
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Yeah, this is not for me at all. And Moneyball isn't really
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either. I just think it's really
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effective. This is less effective.
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Let's see how effective your tease is for next week and see
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if I can figure it out right on the spot what you're bringing.
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Oh, I assure you, you would not get this.
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I'm going to give you a couple of hints.
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It is timely, just as this is the school year is ending.
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OK? So I'm gonna go all the way back
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to 1995 with Ben Affleck. OK.
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And. Matthew Mcconney.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe we'll find out next week.
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Alright, I think I know what it is.
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