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Kamala Pitches Populism, Trump Hawks Watches · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 2: On today's show, Kamala Harris does a big sit-down interview
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  Speaker 2: about her economic plan and heads to the border as
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  Speaker 2: she tries to neutralize Donald Trump's advantage on two big issues. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: Trump wants you to know that he thinks Iran is
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  Speaker 2: trying to kill him and that you can buy a
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  Speaker 2: new Trump watch for the low, low price of $ 100, 000.
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  Speaker 2: That's so.
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  Speaker 3: Good.
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  Speaker 2: And strict scrutiny's Melissa Murray stops by to talk with
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  Speaker 2: us about what she heard from some undecided black women
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  Speaker 2: voters yesterday. in her new MSNBC special. But first, Kamala
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  Speaker 2: Harris has had another busy week with less than 40
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  Speaker 2: days left in a campaign that could not be closer.
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  Speaker 2: She's headed to Arizona to visit the southern border. On Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: she spent the day in D.C. being vice president, first
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  Speaker 2: at an event with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky, then at
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  Speaker 2: an event with President Biden to announce some new steps
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  Speaker 2: on gun safety. On Wednesday night, she sat down for
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  Speaker 2: an interview with MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle, to talk about the
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  Speaker 2: economic plan she laid out during a big speech in Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 2: Here she is talking about price gouging and responding to
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  Speaker 2: Trump's claim that she didn't really work at McDonald's.
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  Speaker 3: How do you go.
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  Speaker 4: After price gouging without implementing price controls?
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  Speaker 5: Just to be very frank, I am never going to
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  Speaker 5: apologize for going after companies and corporations that take advantage
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  Speaker 5: of the desperation of the American people. And as Attorney General,
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  Speaker 5: I saw this happen. In the midst of an emergency,
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  Speaker 5: whether it be an extreme weather event or even the pandemic,
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  Speaker 5: we saw it, where those few companies, not the majority,
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  Speaker 5: not most, but those few companies that would take advantage
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  Speaker 5: of the desperation of people And jack up prices. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to go after them. Yes, I'm going to
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  Speaker 5: go after them.
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  Speaker 4: I just want to ask you yes or no. At
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  Speaker 4: any point in your life, have you served to all
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  Speaker 4: beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a
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  Speaker 4: sesame seed bun, working at a McDonald's? Yes or no?
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: I have.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Now the other job.
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  Speaker 3: But it was not a small job.
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  Speaker 6: Like, I did the fries.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I, you know. Yes, but I did.
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  Speaker 4: But then let me ask about a big job.
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  Speaker 5: But to your point, if you don't mind, before you
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  Speaker 5: get to the big job. It's a there's a part
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  Speaker 5: of the reason I even talk about having worked at
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  Speaker 5: McDonald's is because there are people who work at McDonald's
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  Speaker 5: in our country who are trying to raise a family.
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  Speaker 5: I worked there as a student. I was a kid
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  Speaker 5: who worked there trying to raise families and pay rent
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  Speaker 5: on that. And I think part of the difference between
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  Speaker 5: me and my opponent includes our perspective on the needs
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  Speaker 5: of the American people. And what our responsibility then is
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  Speaker 5: to meet those needs.
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  Speaker 2: She did fries.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know, not to derail this thing, but do
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  Speaker 3: you know the origin of the conspiracy theory that she
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  Speaker 3: didn't work at McDonald's? Because Trump says it all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. There was one of those dumb, blue-checked right-wing accounts
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  Speaker 2: that pretends to be news said that McDonald's stepped forward
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  Speaker 2: and said that they have no record of Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 2: ever working there. And that's just not true. It was
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  Speaker 2: just completely made up. So he took the fake rumor
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  Speaker 2: or the fake news that McDonald's said that she never
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  Speaker 2: worked there to mean that she was lying, but that
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  Speaker 2: just never happened. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Also, what sort of records do we think McDonald's keeps
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  Speaker 3: about an Oakland franchise from 40 years ago? That's the
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  Speaker 3: best part.
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  Speaker 2: And then they, like, long ago they accused her, when
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  Speaker 2: she first said it, they accused her of, like, not
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  Speaker 2: having it on her resume when she, like, sent her
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  Speaker 2: resume out after law school. Because, like, it's like, you
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  Speaker 2: know what? I don't put fucking CVS on my resume.
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  Speaker 2: although I haven't sent a resume around in quite some time. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: how do you think she did in the interview?
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  Speaker 3: Great. That was great. I saw many thoughts on this interview. One,
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  Speaker 3: not an easy interview. I thought it was MSNBC, it's
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  Speaker 3: Stephanie Rule, that it'll at least be a friendly interview.
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  Speaker 3: And it wasn't unfriendly, but she asked tough questions.
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  Speaker 2: And it was all about the economy. She asked one
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  Speaker 2: question on reproductive rights at the very end, but most
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  Speaker 2: of the interview was all economy and economic policy and
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  Speaker 2: details and all that.
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  Speaker 3: And it took her like one question to warm up,
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  Speaker 3: and then she was just throwing fastballs the whole time.
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  Speaker 3: It's when she asked the question about why people trust
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump more, you could see like a little fire
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  Speaker 3: in her eyes, and she went like right hard at
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  Speaker 3: the contrast, and it was really good. And I have
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  Speaker 3: two takeaways from this. One is more interviews. Like she's
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  Speaker 3: really good at it, especially if it's an issue that
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  Speaker 3: she– when it's about something real, right? A bunch of
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  Speaker 3: like the marginalia stupid bullshit that comes up in a
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  Speaker 3: lot of like horse race stuff in interviews. That's hard
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  Speaker 3: for any politician when they ask you to be pundit.
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  Speaker 3: But when she's talking about something she cares about, she's excellent. Second,
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  Speaker 3: I kind of think that if Trump is unwilling to
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  Speaker 3: agree to this CNN debate, they should challenge him to
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  Speaker 3: an economic debate. Could be on CNN, could be on
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  Speaker 3: another network. But think about she just has– he has
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  Speaker 3: the advantage in perception, but it's like a mile wide,
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  Speaker 3: an inch deep. And she has the better message, the
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  Speaker 3: better policies. She's the better messenger. The contrast is it
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  Speaker 3: moves vote share. We've seen that in message testing and polling.
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  Speaker 3: And so finding opportunity to go back and forth with
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  Speaker 3: Trump only on the, like he'll obviously do insane stuff,
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  Speaker 3: but primarily on the economy for 90 minutes, I think
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  Speaker 3: could be a huge advantage.
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  Speaker 2: I was watching this interview.
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  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was excellent. I thought it was her
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  Speaker 2: best sit down interview yet since becoming the nominee. I
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  Speaker 2: realize she hasn't done a ton.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to say, best of four, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think it was the best one. And
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  Speaker 2: you're right that she always takes the first question to
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  Speaker 2: warm up, and she always answers the first question by thinking,
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  Speaker 2: and you can tell that she's trying to figure out
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  Speaker 2: what value statement to start with. It's very clear that
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  Speaker 2: she has been through debate prep. And we know this
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  Speaker 2: because we've done this with Obama, and he hated this.
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  Speaker 2: But they tell you in debate prep, no matter what
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  Speaker 2: the question is, Your answer should start with a topic
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  Speaker 2: sentence that just communicates your values about the issue. Doesn't
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  Speaker 2: matter what the actual question was.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And she did that very well during the debate. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that for questions that you don't really want
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  Speaker 2: to answer or the answer would be too politically tricky
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, it's a good thing to do. I noticed
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  Speaker 2: that as we got into the meat of the interview,
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  Speaker 2: Like she just sounded, she sounded wonkier and more detailed,
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  Speaker 2: but I liked it. It sounded less like a politician
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  Speaker 2: talking in cliches and more like someone who just really
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  Speaker 2: knows the policy and knows the issue. And I think
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  Speaker 2: it just came across oddly since it was wonkier, but
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  Speaker 2: it came across more informal and colloquial and just real,
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  Speaker 2: you know, than some of the, like, I'm, it's very
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  Speaker 2: good that she's talking about her middle-class upbringing and Very
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  Speaker 2: good that she's talking about how she sees the economy.
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  Speaker 2: But I would just dial it down just a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: which she did in this interview, and just answer the
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  Speaker 2: questions and start talking about the policy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You almost have to deprogram candidates after debate because
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  Speaker 3: what is good for debate is generally terrible for an
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  Speaker 3: interview because you're told to not answer the debate question
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  Speaker 3: or you're supposed to answer it with the answer you want,
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  Speaker 3: not the question was asked. That can work in a
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  Speaker 3: press conference. It can't really work in a one-on-one sit-down interview.
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  Speaker 3: And so that first question was, let me go big
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  Speaker 3: picture and do all of this. And then everything else
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  Speaker 3: was just like, I'm just going to answer the question.
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  Speaker 3: And it just comes off more authentic and real. And
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  Speaker 3: it was very, very good. And the further she's gotten
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  Speaker 3: away from the debate, I realize I just proposed another debate,
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  Speaker 3: so I could be screwing us here. But in each
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  Speaker 3: subsequent interview, her questions, her answers have been more on
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  Speaker 3: point to the question, which I think is to her benefit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's always the questions that she typically
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  Speaker 2: gets tripped up on are questions about like they're hypotheticals,
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  Speaker 2: which are always annoying ones to answer. But like Stephanie
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  Speaker 2: Ruhl asked her, like, what's going to happen if you
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  Speaker 2: can't get Republican votes for your tax plan? You know,
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  Speaker 2: and then she didn't want to answer that question. But
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  Speaker 2: I do think even even on something like that, it's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: what I'm going to do is I'm going to propose
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  Speaker 2: a tax plan and I'm going to negotiate. And what
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  Speaker 2: I hope is also that I have members of Congress
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  Speaker 2: who are going to work with me to lower taxes
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  Speaker 2: for middle-class Americans and raise them on the rich. And
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  Speaker 2: that's what I'm going to try to do. You know,
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  Speaker 2: like it's pretty.
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  Speaker 3: Or we're just going to, we're going to win the Senate.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Or we're going to win the, yeah, that's why we're
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  Speaker 2: going to win the Senate. Like I just, some of the,
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  Speaker 2: I think some of these answers are easier than she's
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  Speaker 2: making them out to be, or maybe she thinks that
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  Speaker 2: like she's not supposed to say it. Anyway, I thought
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  Speaker 2: she was great through like 95% of the interview and
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  Speaker 2: like the best she's been on this and she should
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  Speaker 2: do more. What'd you think of the big Pittsburgh speech?
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  Speaker 3: My take away from watching the speech was, good speech,
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  Speaker 3: poll-tested through the roof. The policy proposals are popular. It
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  Speaker 3: wasn't just a litany of a bunch of economic white
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  Speaker 3: paper vomit on stage. It was thematic. It spoke to
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  Speaker 3: the broader theme of her as someone with a middle-class
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  Speaker 3: background who's going to fight for middle working-class people while
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump's going to fight for the wealthy. So that
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  Speaker 3: was very good. I do watch these speeches now and
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  Speaker 3: still sort of wonder what the impact of these big
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  Speaker 3: set speeches are in this day and age. Obviously it's
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  Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh. If you're going to do it, do it
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  Speaker 3: someplace where you're going to get lots of local coverage.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure we're going to see ads that take parts
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  Speaker 3: of that speech and put it together for an economic message.
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  Speaker 3: There will be some social media stuff, but how many
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  Speaker 3: outside of the ads are going to run for it later,
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  Speaker 3: or maybe the people watching Pittsburgh TV, how many people
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  Speaker 3: who don't know about her economic plans or want to
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  Speaker 3: know more about economic plans will actually consume that speech.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's sort of a fair question. in this
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  Speaker 3: day and age.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's, you know, she hasn't given because
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  Speaker 2: she hasn't had the time to give a lot of
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  Speaker 2: like major policy addresses. So you want to give your
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  Speaker 2: big economic major policy address. So that totally made sense
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  Speaker 2: for that. It was a good speech. I would love
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  Speaker 2: to see her do aversion of that speech, basically cut
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  Speaker 2: it down so that it's a punchy stump speech on
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  Speaker 2: the economy and have a few more contrasts with Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Or basically, she had a lot of contrast with Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 2: but just kind of whittle the speech down to just
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  Speaker 2: her plan, contrast with Donald Trump, her plan, contrast with
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, and make it punchy for rally events. Because
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  Speaker 2: I agree, I don't know exactly who's going to consume
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  Speaker 2: all of that, other than the fact that you're right,
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  Speaker 2: it could end up in some 30 and 60 second ads.
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  Speaker 2: But it was a good speech. And like you said,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't wonky. Again, there was a few times in
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  Speaker 2: that speech where she seemed like she was ad-libbing, she
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  Speaker 2: was joking a little. And I really liked those parts
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  Speaker 2: because she was more authentic. She seemed like her. She
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  Speaker 2: seemed like she was having a good time. She seemed
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  Speaker 2: like she was connected with the material, with the audience,
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  Speaker 2: with what she was talking about. Like, I think she
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  Speaker 2: just needs a little more of that on the trail
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  Speaker 2: in interviews because it's there and, you know, I've seen
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  Speaker 2: her do it. But I think that's going to help
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  Speaker 2: with connecting with voters who are still undecided. There's obviously
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  Speaker 2: a lot to say about her economic plan. Campaign also
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  Speaker 2: released an 82-page booklet titled A New Way Forward for
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  Speaker 2: the Middle Class. But for the people who may not
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  Speaker 2: have had the chance to skim through that book, what
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  Speaker 2: do you think the campaign wants to convey to about
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  Speaker 2: her economic agenda? What are the big things they want
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  Speaker 2: voters to remember?
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  Speaker 3: I think they want people to know that she has
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  Speaker 3: a plan. This is a classic tactic for a candidate
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  Speaker 3: who's new on the scene. Obama also released a plan.
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  Speaker 3: We had a book, in fact, an actual published book.
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  Speaker 2: I remember editing the book.
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  Speaker 3: I remember you enjoying that process thoroughly and thinking what
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  Speaker 3: a great use of your time while either writing or
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  Speaker 3: editing three rally speeches a day.
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  Speaker 2: I know so many people read it, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was a bestseller, John.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, anyone can do that these days, as we know.
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  Speaker 3: So it's just like having a plan, right? She has
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  Speaker 3: a plan. That's one. It is just notable in that
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  Speaker 3: speech that she announced she's a.
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  Speaker 2: Capitalist, which- Which she said during the convention speech.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, she did. And I think there is a argument
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  Speaker 3: here is that she is a mainstream middle-class Democrat who's
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  Speaker 3: going to fight for middle-class people. All the policy undergirds that.
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  Speaker 3: That's what it's all about. They really want the footage
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  Speaker 3: of her standing up there saying she's going to fight
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  Speaker 3: for middle-class people and that she's a capitalist. And it's
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  Speaker 3: to push back against the caricature of her that is
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  Speaker 3: showing up in all these ads. Trump and the Trump
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  Speaker 3: super PACs have a bunch of ads up. They're pretty
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  Speaker 3: tough on the economy. They blame her for what people
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  Speaker 3: are unhappy about the economy. Unfairly blame her, obviously. And
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  Speaker 3: they have this They have this video footage of her
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  Speaker 3: saying that Bidenomics is working. So they're trying to make
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  Speaker 3: her the candidate of the status quo, which you don't like.
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  Speaker 3: And they're trying to sort of push back against that
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  Speaker 3: in a pretty aggressive way. And that's ultimately the political
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  Speaker 3: purpose of the speech.
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  Speaker 2: There's a headline in the New York Times that the
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  Speaker 2: Harris campaign was understandably and excitedly sending around, which was
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  Speaker 2: Harris tries a new pitch, capitalism for the middle class.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, that's it right there, capitalism for the
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  Speaker 2: middle class.
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  Speaker 7: Whoa.
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  Speaker 3: Where are we these days?
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  Speaker 7: I know.
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  Speaker 2: But I do, I mean, like, first of all, it
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  Speaker 2: gets them away from Bidenomics, which was clearly not the
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  Speaker 2: best branding. But yeah, capitalism for the middle class. She
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  Speaker 2: both gets the, like, I'm mainstream and not the comrade Kamala.
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  Speaker 2: And also, like, I care about the middle class. And
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  Speaker 2: what I really liked, both in the speech and in
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  Speaker 2: the MSNBC interview, is that, like, when Stephanie Rule asked
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  Speaker 2: her about price gouging, she was like, I'm going to make,
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  Speaker 2: and she's like, well, how, you know. there's price gouging,
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  Speaker 2: but also how do you convince people that it's not
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  Speaker 2: price controls? Cause they get nervous. And she's like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to make any apologies whatsoever about going after
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  Speaker 2: big companies who take advantage of America, the American people.
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't look at my record when I was
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  Speaker 2: a G I did the same thing. I took, I
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  Speaker 2: went on after big banks. So it was great. So
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  Speaker 2: it's like, it wasn't, she's not like shying away and
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  Speaker 2: trying to be like a, a mushy centrist on the economy.
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  Speaker 2: but she's basically saying she's a capitalist and capitalism can work,
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  Speaker 2: but it has to work for everyone in this country
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  Speaker 2: because that's how the economy is strong and big corporations
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't be taking advantage and they should pay their fair share.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sort of curious about the polling that led them
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  Speaker 3: to have that line within the convention. And here, it's
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  Speaker 3: not something I've seen show up in any polling that
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  Speaker 3: this is a real issue for her. She obviously has
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  Speaker 3: an economic deficit. We can talk about how she has
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  Speaker 3: significantly narrowed it over where Biden was, but even over
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  Speaker 3: the course of the campaign and the Echelon Insights poll.
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  Speaker 3: She's actually up one on the economy. And she's only
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  Speaker 3: down four on the economy in the Pennsylvania poll that
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  Speaker 3: the Times put out last week. So she has made
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  Speaker 3: gains there. And I think that's one important thing. When
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  Speaker 3: you sit up and say, I'm a capitalist, that sounds
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  Speaker 3: like you're doing it from a defensive crouch. And I
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  Speaker 3: don't think that's what– the speech was not a defensive speech.
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  Speaker 3: It was an offensive speech. It was an economic– I
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  Speaker 3: don't know how much the campaign cares whether they actually
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  Speaker 3: win on the economy, but that they can make gains
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  Speaker 3: with the voters they need to make gains with on
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  Speaker 3: the economy of being aggressive. And they sort of showed
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  Speaker 3: that in the tone and tenor of the speech and
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  Speaker 3: the interview.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's like two different groups of voters here.
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  Speaker 2: There's the sort of center-right Indies, maybe Nikki Haley voters
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  Speaker 2: that they're trying to go after. Also some young men, too,
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  Speaker 2: who I think her saying that she's a capitalist and
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  Speaker 2: she knows CEOs and has worked with them and all
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, that's going to reassure those voters.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: And then there's the sort of low propensity, don't always vote,
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: younger voters, tend to be disproportionately black and brown, women
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: to non-college women that they're going after, who I think
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: that the more populist middle class voters here's what I'm
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: going to do for you, middle-class tax cut, child tax credit,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: and some of the homeowner stuff. That's who they're targeting
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: with that message. So I think it's probably both those groups.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: With all due respect to our green eye shade wearing
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: economic policy nerd friends, it's all about advocacy. Everything. It's
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: who are you going to fight for? That's the whole thing.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: It's all these policies, these tax credits, all these things
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: that you talk about in the campaign are just a
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: way to answer the question, will this politician fight for
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: people like me? Or they fight for corporations or whoever else.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: And that's the thrust. And that works. And what is
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: so appealing about that and so important is it works
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: with everyone. It works for those. Nikki Haley was talking
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: about it. And it works for younger voters, more progressive voters,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: everyone else and everyone in the middle.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. So this week, she gave a serious
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: policy address, stood next to a foreign leader who's at war, Zelensky,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: in Washington. She announced a policy with the president at
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: the White House. She's going to the border. I don't
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: know if all this was intentional or just how the
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: schedule turned out, but do you think they're trying to
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: sort of burnish her strong leader, commander-in-chief credentials with voters
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: with some of these events?
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: I imagine just by having been involved in the challenges
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: of scheduling presidential candidates who are also in office at
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: the same time, that this was more a quirk in
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: scheduling that just happened to be, this was the best
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: time to give this economic speech and Zelensky was going
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: to be in town. and he wanted to meet with her.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Trump announced this just now that he is meeting with
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Zelensky tomorrow, or today, if you're listening to this on Friday.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: And so I think it's something you did. I think
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: broadly speaking, they want to do two things. They want
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: to show her that she's a strong presidential leader. Whenever
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: you're trying to elect someone who looks unlike all the
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: other presidents who came before them, it's important to put
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: them in situations that seem familiar. It's why Obama went
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: on that foreign trip in 2008 and met with world leaders,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: so that people can imagine him doing the things that
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: presidents have done. So I think that's part of the
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Zelensky meeting. And going to the border, and we can
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: talk a little bit about the politics of that, but
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: it's also just, she is trying to show that she
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: is a mainstream Democrat with policies and values that are
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: well within the the center. And I don't mean center
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: like centrists, just that are not the, they're not radical,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: I guess I would say, because she's being portrayed as
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: this San Francisco radical. She's a black woman, open borders,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: letting people in. She has the burden of being part
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: of the Biden administration, which has been present, which has
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: been in office through these border surges. And this is
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: a way, an opportunity to go to the border and
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: speak about her actual policies and push back against the characters.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: So it's all of a piece, but I don't think
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: this was a, I don't think there was a, uh,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: like a, there weren't a bunch of post-it notes on the,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: on the message calendar with this, like three weeks ago,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: and then kind of came together.
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I do think that, and we've seen this in some
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: of the ads too, because they have, uh, images of
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: her on foreign trips with foreign leaders, you know, walking
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: by all kinds of world flags. Like, I think they
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: are trying to, what you said, like show her doing
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: what presidents do. And, you know, she's been vice president
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: for the last, uh, three and a half years.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: So that's, uh, It should be sufficient, shouldn't it?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: It should be sufficient, right? Yeah.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: So she's going to the border. She's reportedly going to
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: give a speech about border security and her record prosecuting
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: cartels and human traffickers as a border state attorney general.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: So obviously an issue where Trump has a big advantage.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: And he tried to pre-butt the visit with a long
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: and rambling press conference we're going to talk about in
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: a little bit today. But basically, the line he's been
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: using for the last week is when she tells you
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: about the border, ask her just one simple question, why
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: didn't you do it four years ago? And he says
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: that's true about every issue. So Harris' campaign clearly believes
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: it's important for the VP to take on this issue
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: directly and go right at one of Trump's apparent strengths.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: There's also an argument to be made that whenever the
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: campaign is about the border and that's where the media
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: focus is, it's better for Trump. What do you think?
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: I think this is the right thing to do. She's
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: being aggressive. She's willing to take on risk. She understands
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: that for some segment of voters, this is a real question.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: It's not just far right Fox News watching MAGA voters
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: who care about immigration. It's a huge issue in Arizona
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: and Nevada, two states that are absolutely critical to one
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: of her paths to 270 electoral votes. And so going
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: there is important because she actually has a good message. Now,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I hope when she goes there, she mixes it with
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: a message about a broader comprehensive solution to all of
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: our immigration problems. So it's not just border security. It's
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: also dealing with finding a pathway to citizenship and dealing
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: with people who have been in this country for a
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: long time, dealing with the dreamers, and pushing back also
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: on Trump's proposals, his mass deportation proposal and all of that.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: So it should be of a piece. If it's just
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: border security, then I think you are playing on Trump's territory.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: If it is going to the border to talk about
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: border security, what you would do to secure the border
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: and the broader proposals about comprehensive immigration reform, I think
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: that is a very good thing to do.
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in when a voter has a
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: concern instead of saying, well, I know you might have
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: that concern, but let's talk about this issue instead where
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: you agree with me. It's like not a good strategy.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I did Alex Wagner's show this week. She was in Michigan,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: and she talked to a bunch of union workers. It
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: was interesting. Some of the older union workers were very pro-Harris.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: And some of the younger ones, especially the younger men,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: were a little more pro-Trump. And a lot of them
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: were talking about immigration as the reason why. And, you know,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: they were saying some of the things you hear directly
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: from Donald Trump and a lot of the right-wing media,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: that there's all these... illegal immigrants coming in and it's
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: an invasion and they're taking, and it was much more,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: they're taking our jobs than anything else and, or driving
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: down wages or making housing more expensive and all that. And,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: you know, I was watching that thinking like she, I'm sure,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: you know, the campaign knows they need to be doing
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: better with men and young men and in the Midwest
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: and the, and, and like you said, and in the
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: border States as well. And yeah, I kind of think
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: that you've got to be able to answer the mail
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: on that. And there's a lot of people who haven't
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: even heard Kamala Harris's position on the border, even though
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: she talked about it at the debate, talked about it
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: in convention speech, talks about it all the time. And,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: you know, if you can have some, an image of
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: you at the border and, you know, delivering a few
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: solid lines and then that ends up in an ad,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: then I think it's probably useful, you know?
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: I think you're exactly right about that. And it is
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: just interesting going back to the question about these speeches
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: is back in the day, the speech used to be
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: the ending of itself. You'd give the speech, it would
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: get the coverage, it would drive the political conversation. And
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: now it's the initial piece of content that maybe people see,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: but they probably don't, that you then use throughout the
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: rest of the campaign. She's going to do this at
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: the border. So I assume there are going to be
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: images you can use that will be in these ads
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: because she's getting hammered with immigration ads and her at
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: the border with the image of the border talking about
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: her policy is a much better response ad than your
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: sort of typical voiceover response ads that no one really believes.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure she's going to kick the shit out
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: of Trump there too, right? And talk about how he
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: killed the border deal, which also gets it more attention
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: because then they can get in the back and forth.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Trump did his own economic event on Wednesday in North
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Carolina where standing in front of a giant banner that
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: read jobs, jobs, jobs, he went on a long rant
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: about how he thinks the Iranians are trying to kill
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: him and he's mad that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: aren't doing enough to stop them. Here's how it sounded.
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: As you know, there have been.
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: Two assassination attempts.
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: On my life that we know of and they may
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: or may not involve but possibly do Iran.
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: But if I were the.
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: President, I would inform the threatening country, in this case Iran,
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: that if you do anything to harm this person, we
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: are going to blow your largest cities and the country
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: itself to smithereens.
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: We're going to blow it to smithereens.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: You can't do that.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: It may or may not have to do with... But possibly, yes.
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: It may or may not have to do with literally anything.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I am floating a completely unverified rumor that may or
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: may not be true, but you should believe it's true.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: So the backdrop here is that there's some actual intelligence
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: about Iran fucking with Trump's campaign. I believe right before
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: we started recording, the Department of Justice indicted several Iranians
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: in trying to hack the Trump campaign, successfully hacking the
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Trump campaign. The Trump campaign also asked for an intel
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: briefing that they then read out to the press as containing, quote,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: real and specific threats against Trump's life. There is, of course,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: no evidence that no one's seen any evidence. No one's
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: put forward any evidence that either of Trump's would be
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: assassins has any link to Iran. We have known for
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: some time that Iran has been interested in assassinating former
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: President Trump, as well as various Trump administration officials. in
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: retaliation for the Trump administration killing Soleimani. So that's true.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: They also, I think intelligence also says that they've been
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: trying to assassinate current members of the Biden administration. So
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: that's all out there. Why is Trump doing this at
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: a rally? This wasn't even like an ad lib kind
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: of thing where he just went off. It was in
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: the prepared remarks. His team previewed it to the press.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: What is he doing?
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: There is a part Of his remarks, it was not
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: in that clip, where he talks in some probably not
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: totally accurate detail about the FBI's inability to access the
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: phones and the foreign messaging apps used by the individual
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: in Butler and then in Florida. It's the kind of
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: stuff that is very good at making people buy into
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: conspiracy theories. Like, hmm, that's weird. Why can't they own it? Oh,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: it's a foreign-owned one? Hmm, maybe there's a lot more
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: questions to answer here. It's like QAnon, anti-vax, it's like
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: textbook conspiracy theory spreading. And they want to spread this
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: conspiracy theory. And I know it is crazy and it's
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: weird to do it at a economic speech, but this
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: is straight out of the playbook of tin pot dictators
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: all over the world, is to make themselves a victim
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: that's powerful forces somewhere are trying to take them out
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: because they're such a threat to the system.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Foreign sources, some nationalism, like there's, they're, they're trying to
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: get the USA and I am the USA, right?
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Like that's, I mean, this is why so many people
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: on like online liberals spouted very irresponsibly that this was
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: a false flag. This is why you would have a
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: false flag as for this purpose. There was no evidence
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: there was a false flag, but he's basically like six
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: weeks late into running the second half of the play here. Um,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: And so it's crazy. It's poorly delivered. It seems bizarre,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: but it fits with how Trump has and people like
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Trump have sought power in the past.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I think they're also just trying to squeeze all the
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: political advantage they can out of the two assassination attempts,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: just to be perfectly honest. Like they they know we
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: know that the campaign and the Trump believed that like
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: after the first assassination attempt, they thought they had basically
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: put Joe Biden away. that they saw Trump's approval ratings increase.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I think they're mad that that didn't last, right? Because
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: then there was the switch and Kamala Harris was the nominee.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And so everyone sort of, the coverage of the first
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: assassination attempt faded away. And then the second one happened.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: And so they believe there's sort of a rally around
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Trump effect and that he was getting some goodwill, not
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: just from his base voters, but from other voters. And
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: they want to keep that in people's minds. They're going
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: back to Butler, Pennsylvania. where there was the first attempted
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: assassination on October 5th for a rally. He keeps saying
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: he's going to go finish his speech. I'm sure they're
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: going to make a big deal out of that. I
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: just don't know. I don't know how much that gets you.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I think it's a little weird to keep talking about
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the assassination attempt, especially after the convention speech, the RNC
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: convention speech, his acceptance speech, where he said, I'm only
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: going to tell this story once because it's too painful
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: to ever talk about again.
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure. We can stipulate that Donald Trump's campaign
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: is better in 2024 than it was the other two times,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: but I don't think it's that good.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Just think about just, this is the smallest point on this,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: but this is the kind of stuff that I obsess over.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Why is he speaking in front of a banner that
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: says jobs, jobs, jobs?
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Someone in the campaign knows that that's the better message.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Well, yes, but even if, let's say you're just doing
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: an economic event, the unemployment rate's at historic low. When
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: you look at all the.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Polling on the economic- You could say like prices, prices, prices.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. It's just concerns about jobs are way down
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: because the unemployment rate's at historic low. So prices, wages,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: there are all these other things, lower taxes, all those things.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: And so you pick jobs, jobs, jobs. It's just very amateur,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: is what I'd say.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you, if you thought that that
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: event was weird- See, this is my segue. The press
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: conference at Trump Tower on Thursday. We tried to grab
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: some clips from it. We were going to do like
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: a super cut. Honestly, though, most of it was too
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: hard to follow. We couldn't even figure out clips. He
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: spent over an hour rambling and lying about Kamala Harris's
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: trip to Arizona and her record on the border. One
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: point he accused her of losing 325,000 children. to sex trafficking.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I couldn't even follow how or why. He promised to
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: liberate the city of Aurora. Okay. He also demanded an
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: apology from ABC News for the debate. He attacked moderators
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: David Muir and Lindsay Davis. He came back around to
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: David Muir after the first time, like 30 minutes later,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: came back around to attack him again. He called on
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi to be prosecuted for insider trading and for
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: January 6th, Um, and he talked about Nancy Pelosi because
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: he talked about her trying to push out Biden. And
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: he said that they, that Biden only stepped down because
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: they were threatening him with the 25th amendment. It was
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: this long tangent. He started talking about how he owned
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: property in San Francisco. He said that Caracas, Venezuela had
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: become a safe and wonderful city. Uh, then he took
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: a few questions. This was all before he took the questions.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: And then we took a few questions. Uh, that New
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: York City Mayor Eric Adams was indicted Thursday on five
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: federal charges of bribery, fraud, and soliciting illegal foreign campaign donations.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: And here's what he said.
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: I will say this.
• 31:39
  Speaker 9: I watched about a year ago when he talked about
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: how the illegal migrants are hurting our city and the
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: federal government should pay us and we shouldn't have to
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: take them. And I said, you know what? He'll be
• 31:52
  Speaker 9: indicted within a year. And I was exactly right. Because
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: that's what we have. We have people that use the
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: Justice Department and the FBI at levels that have never
• 32:05
  Speaker 9: been seen before.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: So I wish him luck.
• 32:08
  Speaker 9: I don't know anything about what he did, but.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: So there it is. There it is. Donald Trump defending
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Eric Adams, Democratic mayor of New York, because, hey, if
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: you've been indicted, then you're on Donald Trump's side. Doesn't matter.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Party doesn't matter at that point. And it was because
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: of– and he defended him because he said he was
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: indicted because he was tough on immigration.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: And I just want the listeners to know that this morning,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: we had our morning call to talk about the podcast.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: And we said that Donald Trump had a press conference
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: scheduled for the day. And we said, I wonder if
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: it's about Eric Adams. And Jon Favreau predicted almost to
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: the word what Donald Trump would say here about Eric Adams.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Knew it. I knew that's what he would do.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I think it's time– You reevaluate some life choices here.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I've spent too long with this man. But it was
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: so obvious. Well, you could sort of see it online
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: too because all of the right-wing accounts and the blue
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: check marks and the idiots that follow Elon Musk and
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Silicon Valley, all those dumbasses, they were all starting with
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: the like, oh, the Democrats did this. They had their conspiracies, right?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Because what they don't want to admit is that The
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Biden Justice Department, which they have accused of, you know,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: weaponization and going after his political opponents, has indicted the
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: president's son, Hunter Biden, Democratic Senator Bob Menendez, Democratic House
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: member Henry Cuellar, and now the Democratic mayor of New York,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Eric Adams. So not doing a great job of going
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: after Joe Biden's political opponents.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: No, it does not seem that way at all.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Quite an odd conspiracy that they're like, well, if we're
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: going to go after Trump, we've got to pick five
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: or six Democrats at random, including the president's own son,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: to also go after. It seems like a real complicated plot.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: But their answer is basically anyone that they've indicted, it's
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: because they haven't done what the Biden administration wanted, right?
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: So Eric Adams was too tough on immigration. I knew
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Trump would go there. Plus, he just gave a press
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: conference about immigration, and I figured, oh, It's a perfect
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: confluence of events, Dan.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: I think the listeners can decide whether this is a
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: positive thing or a negative thing for you, but you
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: absolutely nailed it.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: What was that press conference, by the way? You and
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I were both texting while we were listening to it.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: That was fucking nuts. I know we say that about
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: every single press conference, but it.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: In the history of time, I'm not sure any man
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: has been that crazy and that boring at the same time.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It was hard to follow... it got
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: really boring and no energy, no energy. And the fact
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: that it was so boring sort of dulled like the
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: extreme shit he was saying about migrants. Like he was
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: doing a lot of the, like the, the migrant, like
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: the gory stories about like rape and murder. And it
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: was just, it was, it was, it was both disgusting
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: and boring. If that's a, if that can be, yeah,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: it's not, that can be the case.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: It's just, yeah, just, Terrible. Just absolutely terrible to listen to.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Not interesting. Alarming that this man is appointed to away
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: from being president of the United States. Just truly terrible.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: And it was, I don't, he was looking at notes
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: the whole time. So did someone write 55 minutes of remarks?
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I think he would like read a line and then
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: sort of go off on a tangent. I have like
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: a smaller strategic question, which is like, why did he
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: do a press conference at Trump Tower the day before
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: she goes to the border. Why not do something quick
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: after she goes and get in the news? It was
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: just very weird.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: He's not doing very much. He's not even leaving his home.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: So why is he in Trump Tower to begin with?
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: So he just walks downstairs and does this as opposed to,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: why does he go to the border today and preempt
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: her there? He's old and lazy and his brain is
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: melting before our eyes.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: It was also amazing to me that he goes on
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: a long defense of Eric Adams, even though he doesn't
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: know much about the case or doesn't know Eric Adams
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: well because of this long thing. The last shouted question
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: he gets is about Mark Robinson, Lieutenant Governor of North Carolina,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: nude Africa poster, self-proclaimed black Nazi, says he wants to
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: bring slavery back. You remember that guy?
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, you mean Martin Luther King Jr. on steroids, that one?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Martin Luther King Jr. on steroids, which is what Donald
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Trump calls him, interested in his wife, sister, according to
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: nude Africa. Anyway, asked him like, have you, are you
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: reconsidering your endorsement of Mark Robinson? Donald Trump's response. Donald Trump,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: who just went on, who just had time to talk
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: for 55 minutes and give a long and rambling answer
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: where he's defending Eric Adams. This is what he said
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: about Mark Robinson. Uh, I don't know the situation. And
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: then walked away. Un-fuck it. I just, I couldn't believe,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: how can he not just like throw Mark Robinson to
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: the wolves at this point? It's Donald, it's not like
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump has any kind of loyalty.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: He never throws people like that to the wolves though.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess he doesn't want to lose his, he
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to lose the Mark Robinson voters.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Are there Mark Robinson voters?
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I think, I think he'll get 40%.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: But are they Mark Robinson voters or they're just people
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: who would vote for any Republican?
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: So then why, then why not?
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: I don't understand it. I don't understand it.
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard. We're going to lose a lot
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: of sleep trying to understand this man.
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Before we go, a note to all the collectors out there.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: So you've got your Trump trading card NFTs. You've bought
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Trump's coffee table book. You got Melania's memoir that she's
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: out there hawking right now. You've stocked up on Trump
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: and son's private crypto currency, World Liberty Financial, their crypto platform.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: And yet you still want more. Well, today is your
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: lucky day. Take a listen.
• 38:13
  Speaker 9: It's your favorite president, Donald J. Trump, here to introduce
• 38:16
  Speaker 9: something really special. I think you're going to love it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: My new Trump watches. This isn't just any watch. It's
• 38:23
  Speaker 9: one of the best watches made with almost 200 grams
• 38:27
  Speaker 9: of gold and more than 100 real diamonds. That's a
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: lot of diamonds.
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: I love gold.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: I love diamonds.
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: We all do.
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: Owning one puts you in a very exclusive club. I
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: have watch number one, and I'm going to keep it.
• 38:40
  Speaker 9: It's mine, and that's the way I want to have it.
• 38:43
  Speaker 9: Each watch is numbered and extremely rare, a true collector's item,
• 38:46
  Speaker 9: and it includes a personal letter signed by me.
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: Get your Trump watch right now.
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: Go to GetTrumpWatches.com. It's Trump time.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: The Trump watches are $ 100, 000. $ 100, 000. He's out there talking
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: about Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and inflation and people
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: getting killed with the cost. And he's a he's a populist.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: The Republican Party under Trump. There's a workers people's party.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: He's fucking selling one hundred thousand dollar watches 40 days
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: before an election. What is happening?
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: What are we doing?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I think that Kamala Harris should speak about this. I
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: think she should like next time she's in an interview.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: she's at a rally, I would do an insert in
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: the rally speech, in the stump speech. She should mock
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: the $ 100, 000 thing. She should paint him as this rich
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: guy who doesn't give a shit about people. She's already
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: doing that now. Now she's got something that's going to
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: make news. I would put it in an ad that
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: he's doing this. This is insane. Insane.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: I agree with all that. She should hammer it. The
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: crypto thing is weird and kind of hard to explain
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: to people.
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: It's hard to make fun of someone for selling Bibles.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: That's a little tricky.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: The trading cards thing is weird and hard to understand.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: NFTs.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: You left out the sneakers.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: The sneakers. Sneakers you could do. Sneakers you could do.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: The gold sneakers. But the $ 100, 000 watch. Obama, you know what?
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Obama wanted to do the sneakers in his convention speech.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: It fell out of his lap.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Did you take it out or just?
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know where it went.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: He had to make room for that.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: He had to make room for it. Yes, I think
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: that's what happened. I think that's what happened. So the
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: sneakers you could do. But the $ 100, 000 watches, I would
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: be doing this. I imagine our friend David Plouffe is
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: salivating over this.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: This is not the biggest point here, but I think
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: my takeaway from this is that Donald Trump has fully
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: become Fox News. Like, his speeches are.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: He's going to be selling Trump catheters.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Are Hannity, and everything else is just one long Fox commercial.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: It's the story where he's selling gold sneakers. Don't say...
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: That's going to happen. I know.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Somewhere, Don Jr.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Is working on that. He and Mark Robinson are going
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: to be.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Up there together. I don't know, man.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: If you can't... If we elect this, I mean, who knows?
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: It's a tie race. It's a tie race. And he's
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: got an advantage on the economy. He's out there selling $ 100, 000 watches.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: People are most upset that costs are too high. They
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: can't afford a home. Can't afford groceries. $ 100, 000 watches. Who's
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: buying that?
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: I want a list of the people who do.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Reid, who produces this show and writes this show, wants
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: us to know that the fighter watch can be yours now.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: for as little as $ 500, that it's not, there is
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: a low price point for folks who don't, who can't
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: afford the $ 100, 000. So I guess just to be fair.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Did Reed just Daniel Dale us?
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: He was very concerned that, you know, we just want
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: to make sure that the $ 100, 000, that's the top, that's
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: the top echelon. That's the high price point.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Reed is remote, but I'm going to take a close
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: look in the next couple of weeks to see if
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: he's got a fighter watch on his wrist.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: It does come with a handwritten letter from Trump. So
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I do think that that's cool.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: I'm sure he personally signed all of those. All right.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: We have some pitching of our own to do before
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: we get to Melissa Murray. On the latest episode of
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Inside 2024, Alyssa Mastromonaco joins me and we talk about
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: political rallies since Alyssa has put together quite a few
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: political rallies in her time. We're going to talk about
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: how effective they are in 2024 and talk about some
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: of the best ones that she put together back in
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• 42:47
  Speaker 2: When we come back, Melissa Murray. Joining us today is
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: our pal Melissa Murray. She's the co-host of Crooked Strict
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Scrutiny podcast, a professor at NYU Law, and has a
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: new MSNBC special airing this Sunday at 9 p.m. with
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: our friend Simone Sanders Townsend. It's called Black Women in
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: America Road to 2024. Welcome back, Melissa.
• 43:18
  Speaker 10: Thanks for having me. Great to be back.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: So I want to start with a clip from the
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: special where you and Simone are sitting down with some
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: young black women at a nail salon who have contemplated
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: sitting out this election. Let's listen.
• 43:31
  Speaker 8: How are folks feeling about this election season? It's crazy
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: to say the least.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm feeling a little iffy.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: The first time that I was able to vote was
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: for Hillary Clinton. That was my first and last time
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: because I felt like, OK, I felt hope that Hillary
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: would win. I felt excitement from the community around me.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I just had so much hope. And then look what happened.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: And so now I'm like, did my vote really matter?
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 43:58
  Speaker 10: Were you excited to vote before the switch or were you.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Just going to sit it out?
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I was probably going to sit it out as well.
• 44:06
  Speaker 8: Oh, wow. I agree. I was definitely sitting it out.
• 44:10
  Speaker 8: I was not voting at all before the switch. I'm
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: still up in the air. Obviously, I'm a Muslim woman.
• 44:16
  Speaker 8: So it's very nerve wracking and very scary for me.
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: It's already hard wearing hijab in public. So when you
• 44:26
  Speaker 8: talk about things like Project 25, it's kind of it's
• 44:29
  Speaker 8: kind of scary.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: So I love hearing from undecided or persuadable voters, even
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: if what they say is frustrating or frightening, which it
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: often is. How many did you guys talk to where
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: and what else did you hear? Was that typical of
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: what you heard?
• 44:46
  Speaker 10: So we talked to a lot of women. I mean,
• 44:48
  Speaker 10: these weren't focus groups in the way that, you know,
• 44:50
  Speaker 10: you and Sarah Longwell have done on other shows. But
• 44:53
  Speaker 10: we did talk to a pretty broad cross-section of women.
• 44:55
  Speaker 10: So there are women who were older, like in their
• 44:58
  Speaker 10: 40s and 50s, and, you know, they had very distinct views.
• 45:01
  Speaker 10: This group of women were true millennials, like 28 years
• 45:05
  Speaker 10: old to 32 years old. And, you know, we met
• 45:08
  Speaker 10: at this nail salon, the Cosmo Beauty Bar in Washington, D.C.
• 45:11
  Speaker 10: And I have to say, I've never felt so old.
• 45:14
  Speaker 10: Like when they asked me, what would you like to
• 45:16
  Speaker 10: do with your nails? I was like, I would like
• 45:17
  Speaker 10: them short and finger colored.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: And they were like.
• 45:20
  Speaker 10: We haven't done anything like that since 1994.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: So I.
• 45:25
  Speaker 10: Got a true education in all of the new nail techniques.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: That are available.
• 45:29
  Speaker 10: But I also got a real education about what younger
• 45:31
  Speaker 10: women are thinking. And one of the things that struck
• 45:34
  Speaker 10: me is that we are hearing constantly in the media
• 45:37
  Speaker 10: that black women are just ride or die for the
• 45:40
  Speaker 10: Democratic Party. And I just don't think that's true. It's
• 45:44
  Speaker 10: not true for these women. they feel overlooked. I think
• 45:48
  Speaker 10: all of the Black women that we talked to felt
• 45:50
  Speaker 10: overlooked by the traditional political parties, that their votes were
• 45:54
  Speaker 10: either taken for granted or were overlooked entirely. But for
• 45:58
  Speaker 10: these younger women, they really felt that no one was
• 46:02
  Speaker 10: sort of speaking to them. And To be really clear,
• 46:06
  Speaker 10: some of their complaints didn't strike me as being entirely plausible.
• 46:10
  Speaker 10: And that's not because they're wrong. I think it is
• 46:13
  Speaker 10: a failure of messaging. So, you know, there was this
• 46:15
  Speaker 10: one really interesting discussion about how much they were invested
• 46:19
  Speaker 10: in student loan relief. And student loan relief actually did happen.
• 46:23
  Speaker 10: And then it was sort of withdrawn by the United
• 46:25
  Speaker 10: States Supreme Court. And, you know, they hadn't really heard
• 46:29
  Speaker 10: about it. No one that they knew had gotten student
• 46:32
  Speaker 10: loan relief. And in their view, the administration was not
• 46:35
  Speaker 10: talking about their successes in having student loan relief go forward.
• 46:39
  Speaker 10: And then the failure of having that eradicated by the
• 46:42
  Speaker 10: Supreme Court in one fell swoop. So there are a
• 46:45
  Speaker 10: lot of really interesting questions here, some of it about messaging,
• 46:47
  Speaker 10: but also some of it about really appealing to these
• 46:49
  Speaker 10: voters where they are.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: What were some of the issues that they spoke most
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: about and and some concerns they had with the administration.
• 47:00
  Speaker 10: So one issue that was a particular concern, they lived
• 47:03
  Speaker 10: in Washington, D.C., most of them did. Some were from
• 47:05
  Speaker 10: other states like North Carolina, but police violence was a
• 47:08
  Speaker 10: big issue. And again, it was hard to sort of,
• 47:12
  Speaker 10: you know, understand where they were coming from on this. Like,
• 47:14
  Speaker 10: you know, they wanted the administration to do more and
• 47:17
  Speaker 10: be more proactive about addressing police violence. But I think
• 47:22
  Speaker 10: there was a misunderstanding about what any presidential administration can
• 47:25
  Speaker 10: do about the 18,000 police departments that are actually under
• 47:28
  Speaker 10: local and municipal control. And in fact, the Biden administration
• 47:32
  Speaker 10: did a really big effort with an executive order that
• 47:36
  Speaker 10: provided lots of funding to local and state offices to
• 47:39
  Speaker 10: track police violence, to do better training, things of that nature.
• 47:43
  Speaker 10: They weren't really clear on that piece of it. And
• 47:45
  Speaker 10: I think that is actually a failure of messaging from
• 47:48
  Speaker 10: the administration, maybe also a failure of on the part
• 47:51
  Speaker 10: of those of us in the media, because for the
• 47:53
  Speaker 10: last year and a half, all we've talked about is
• 47:56
  Speaker 10: Donald Trump and his criminality. We haven't talked about some
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: of the other things that the administration has done to
• 48:03
  Speaker 10: address really pertinent and entrenched problems like police violence. So
• 48:08
  Speaker 10: that was one thing they talked a lot about. Student
• 48:10
  Speaker 10: loan relief, reproductive rights was a big issue, and they
• 48:13
  Speaker 10: all recognized that it was salient, but it still wasn't
• 48:17
  Speaker 10: enough to ensure that they were going to the polls.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: You talked about messaging. What do you think Kamala Harris
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: needs to do to sort of close the sale with
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: some of these voters?
• 48:28
  Speaker 10: So we spoke with these young women after the switch
• 48:30
  Speaker 10: had happened. We spoke with another group of older voters
• 48:33
  Speaker 10: right after the debate. And that was actually a very
• 48:36
  Speaker 10: interesting conversation. But even after the switch had happened and
• 48:40
  Speaker 10: Harris was the nominee going forward for the Democratic Party,
• 48:43
  Speaker 10: They wanted real specifics from her. What are you going
• 48:46
  Speaker 10: to do? So I think this was a little bit
• 48:47
  Speaker 10: before she started articulating some of the particulars of her plan,
• 48:51
  Speaker 10: certainly on the home ownership piece. But they wanted to
• 48:53
  Speaker 10: know what she was going to do specifically about reproductive rights.
• 48:56
  Speaker 10: And again, not a ton that a presidential administration can
• 49:01
  Speaker 10: do without having a Congress and work being done in
• 49:04
  Speaker 10: other branches of government. But they wanted more particulars. How
• 49:08
  Speaker 10: are you going to shore up Roe versus Wade? What
• 49:10
  Speaker 10: is that going to look like? can I get behind this?
• 49:13
  Speaker 10: And so that was really important. I think very, very
• 49:17
  Speaker 10: particular to her. They just felt she was a bit
• 49:20
  Speaker 10: of a cipher at that point and they wanted someone
• 49:22
  Speaker 10: to fill it in.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, Democrats struggles with young black men have been
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: a major topic of conversation in the cycle. So I'm
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: very excited to have something entirely new to worry about.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: So thank you for that.
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: But do you have a sense of whether it's similar
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: dynamics going on with young black women? Is there something
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: different going on? Is there something specific Democrats should be
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: doing to address these concerns?
• 49:44
  Speaker 8: Sure.
• 49:45
  Speaker 10: I actually do think there is a difference here. And,
• 49:47
  Speaker 10: you know, I, too, have heard all of the discussion
• 49:49
  Speaker 10: about how Trump curious young black men are. I did
• 49:53
  Speaker 10: not get the sense that these women were Trump curious
• 49:56
  Speaker 10: at all. You know, the woman who previously spoke who
• 49:58
  Speaker 10: was in the hijab, she was just very clear, like,
• 50:00
  Speaker 10: I am not voting for Donald Trump. Like, I don't
• 50:03
  Speaker 10: like him. I think he's a criminal. I mean, they
• 50:06
  Speaker 10: were very clear. This was really more a question of,
• 50:08
  Speaker 10: am I even going to get out of the House
• 50:10
  Speaker 10: on Tuesday, November 5th to vote at all? And so
• 50:14
  Speaker 10: this was really more, is there anything that's going to
• 50:17
  Speaker 10: animate me to get on board with Kamala Harris and
• 50:20
  Speaker 10: the Democrats? Not what is pushing me towards Trump? So
• 50:23
  Speaker 10: I think it's a different kind of conversation. I think
• 50:26
  Speaker 10: one of the things the Democrats really need to think
• 50:29
  Speaker 10: about is how they message what they've done and also
• 50:34
  Speaker 10: how what they've done is being received. And we talk
• 50:37
  Speaker 10: a lot about low information voters. I think it's unfair
• 50:40
  Speaker 10: to talk about them in that way because it sounds
• 50:42
  Speaker 10: as though They are purposefully disengaged. And that's not true.
• 50:46
  Speaker 10: But it did occur to me when I was talking
• 50:49
  Speaker 10: to them that these are young women who came of
• 50:52
  Speaker 10: age after 9-11, after No Child Left Behind, when we
• 50:58
  Speaker 10: as a country systematically stripped public education of superfluous things
• 51:03
  Speaker 10: like PE and music and art and civics education. So
• 51:07
  Speaker 10: it's not surprising, perhaps, that they don't understand that the
• 51:12
  Speaker 10: police department's don't get dictated to by a presidential administration.
• 51:17
  Speaker 10: It's not surprising that they may not understand precisely that
• 51:22
  Speaker 10: the president has to work with Congress to pass a
• 51:24
  Speaker 10: domestic agenda. So we have really made them ill-equipped to
• 51:28
  Speaker 10: understand how government works in a very particular way. And
• 51:33
  Speaker 10: that's a real problem. I mean, an electorate that doesn't
• 51:36
  Speaker 10: understand how government work is an electorate that can be
• 51:39
  Speaker 10: preyed upon with misinformation. And that's exactly what we're seeing.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there is a conversation we had about how
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Democrats talk about their accomplishments, what we say, how we
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: make a matter of people. There's also the broader question
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: of how do we reach these people? Because I agree
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: with you, low information voters, it's a pejorative way of
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: discussing it. But most voters, most people in this country
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: do not engage with news in a real way. The
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: sort of distribution mechanisms of news are sort of broken.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: Did you get any sense of where these people are
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: getting their political information, platforms or media outlets that maybe
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: the Harris campaign or other Democrats should go on to
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: actually inject themselves in front of these voters?
• 52:12
  Speaker 10: So they talked about getting a lot of their information
• 52:15
  Speaker 10: from social media and podcasts and sort of YouTube shows.
• 52:18
  Speaker 10: So Hot Ones was mentioned. And I think those are
• 52:22
  Speaker 10: really important platforms. It's not traditional news media. It's not
• 52:28
  Speaker 10: even cable news, which I think for a lot of them,
• 52:31
  Speaker 10: that seemed like my parents' media. They're getting it from
• 52:34
  Speaker 10: a bunch of different sources. And I think it's important
• 52:37
  Speaker 10: for her to sort of meet them where they are,
• 52:38
  Speaker 10: and it's non-traditional media. But I also think, again, it's
• 52:42
  Speaker 10: worth thinking about, is it the case that we can
• 52:46
  Speaker 10: only understand what the government does and how they do
• 52:49
  Speaker 10: it if we go to law school, if we took
• 52:51
  Speaker 10: constitutional law? There's a real gap here, and we are
• 52:54
  Speaker 10: going to have to address that going forward. I mean,
• 52:57
  Speaker 10: it's all of a piece with these book bans and
• 52:59
  Speaker 10: preventing people from having certain kinds of curricula It's all
• 53:04
  Speaker 10: of a piece. Like, you make it harder for people
• 53:06
  Speaker 10: to understand what's happening. You don't give them the tools
• 53:09
  Speaker 10: to be able to critically assess it. And I think
• 53:12
  Speaker 10: it's a lot easier to sort of put one.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: Over on them.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: I know you guys talk to voters and other Black
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: women in politics and leadership roles. What was your main
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: takeaway from the entire special? Like, what did you walk
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: away with?
• 53:29
  Speaker 10: So Black women... are deeply engaged with the issues. They
• 53:34
  Speaker 10: understand that this election is probably unlike other elections. All
• 53:39
  Speaker 10: of them seem to understand the kind of existential crisis
• 53:42
  Speaker 10: that undergirds this election. I think some of the older
• 53:46
  Speaker 10: women were just much more explicit about it, but even
• 53:48
  Speaker 10: the younger women were like, this is the election that
• 53:51
  Speaker 10: I'm voting on because if I'm voting, I'm voting for
• 53:53
  Speaker 10: my kids. That was very palpable and very clear. They
• 53:59
  Speaker 10: are engaged. Their levels of engagement are different. But to
• 54:03
  Speaker 10: a person, they all feel a little misunderstood by those
• 54:07
  Speaker 10: who are in power. The women we talk to in
• 54:09
  Speaker 10: the suburb say that when they talk about suburban women,
• 54:12
  Speaker 10: they're not talking about me. And the younger women feel
• 54:14
  Speaker 10: like they've been completely overlooked. The attention we're spending on
• 54:17
  Speaker 10: young Black men, talking about what animates them, we're not
• 54:20
  Speaker 10: spending the same kind of attention talking about what is
• 54:23
  Speaker 10: animating young Black women or what is keeping them at
• 54:25
  Speaker 10: home when they might be out there voting. So This
• 54:28
  Speaker 10: is a sector of the electorate that's regarded as reliable
• 54:32
  Speaker 10: and diehard. But in fact, they're more wobbly than you think.
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 54:37
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• 54:39
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• 54:48
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• 54:51
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• 55:00
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