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UK Column News - 7th May 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the seventh of May twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 1: just after one o'clock. Welcome the UK column News. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host Mike Romson. Joining me in the studio today
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Speaker 1: is Charles Mallett. Welcome to the program, Charles. Thank you Mike,
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Speaker 1: and by videolink we have Vanessa Billy and Sandy Adams
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Speaker 1: Nilitter in the program. We're going to be covering is
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Speaker 1: really cyber attacks on Western nations, the litist David Attenburgh,
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Speaker 1: Kipper and Middle East and world coin. But we're going
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Speaker 1: to begin with Iran terror on British streets or is
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Speaker 1: it Charles?
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Speaker 2: That is a very very good question. If we were
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Speaker 2: to pay attention only to the BBC, I think we'd
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Speaker 2: come away with one singular point of view. Now, coincident
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Speaker 2: with the preparations for the V Day commemorations this week,
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Speaker 2: police and security services are reported to have foiled a
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Speaker 2: number of so called terror plots, and the only nation
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Speaker 2: which has been connected with any of this is Iran,
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Speaker 2: in that all the suspects have almost all been described
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Speaker 2: as Iranian. Dan Jarvis, the Security Minister and a former
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Speaker 2: officer in the Parachute Regiment, has wasted no time in
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Speaker 2: describing the mortal peril from which we have all been saved. Apparently,
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Speaker 2: he stepped off on the wrong foot in saying that
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Speaker 2: the first duty of government is national security, and whilst
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Speaker 2: this may fit with his job description, it does clang
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Speaker 2: with the Code of Hammurabi of seventeen seventy two BC,
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Speaker 2: which I've mentioned before, which puts it that the first
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Speaker 2: duty of government is in fact to protect the powerless
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Speaker 2: from the power full, which is a very different thing. Nonetheless,
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Speaker 2: the point Jarvis wanted to make was not just that
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Speaker 2: we are facing some sort of enhanced state threat, a
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Speaker 2: claim certainly not reinforced by the national threat level, which
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Speaker 2: remains at substantial, but that by and large Iran is responsible.
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Speaker 2: He also points towards early intervention by counter terror police
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Speaker 2: achieved by counterstate threats powers as he describes them, and
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Speaker 2: it shouldn't be forgotten that it was he that introduced
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Speaker 2: the Foreign Interference Registration scheme, which he imagines will be
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Speaker 2: adhered to by those that really do have malevolent intent
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Speaker 2: towards the UK. Now, he cited the Chief of mi
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Speaker 2: I five, Ken McCallum, in saying that in the last year,
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Speaker 2: the number of state threat investigations run by m I
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Speaker 2: five jumped up by forty eight percent and went on
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Speaker 2: to say that this statistic is a stark indication of
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Speaker 2: the increased threat, but of course it's nothing of the
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Speaker 2: sort unless he can demonstrate that there has been a
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Speaker 2: correlation in findings, then it's merely a statistic, and more
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Speaker 2: it reflects the pressure applied in order to find the
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Speaker 2: so called state threat. This is extremely reminiscent of the
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Speaker 2: lead up to the unlawful intervention in Iraq in two
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Speaker 2: thousand and three. And on that note, the propaganda machine
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Speaker 2: is warming up the BBC here with a documentary about
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Speaker 2: how dreadful Iran is seeding in the minds of the
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Speaker 2: young that we should be ready for war with her readiness, though,
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Speaker 2: is not something which springs to mind when considering the
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Speaker 2: much publicized operational deployment of the Prince of Wales Carrier
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Speaker 2: Strike Group. Their Twitter feed reads more like that of
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Speaker 2: a hen party, here bragging that they have made it
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Speaker 2: to the med as though that should be considered an
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Speaker 2: achievement for a naval operation. The Times of India here
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Speaker 2: showing a real of the defensive and offensive capabilities of
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Speaker 2: Iran and indeed the rhetoric coming from that country, all
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Speaker 2: of which coincides with the launch of yet another attempt
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Speaker 2: to harvest biometric data from British veterans, here the Valor program,
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Speaker 2: which is to offer further support just so long as
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Speaker 2: the participant engages on a digital basis. And finally, something
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Speaker 2: that Bryan referred to on Monday, it should be considered
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Speaker 2: no coincidence that the V Day commemorations have been used
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Speaker 2: as an exercise in recruitment and indeed rever visionism. The
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Speaker 2: parade which stepped off on Monday, shown here in Parliament Square,
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Speaker 2: included a detachment of Ukrainians. The triple inferences here are
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Speaker 2: supposed to be that we could not have won the
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Speaker 2: war without them, that Russia had nothing to do with
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Speaker 2: the Second World War, and that we are due to
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Speaker 2: the current and so called illegal aggression of Russia in
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Speaker 2: the same predicament again, so it's time to join up
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Speaker 2: and grab your kit of the illegal aggression of Israel.
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Speaker 2: Though we must not speak something which Dan Jarvis attempted
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Speaker 2: to ensure by concluding in his address to the Commons
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Speaker 2: that it is no secret that there is a long
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Speaker 2: standing pattern of the Iranian intelligence services targeting Jewish and
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Speaker 2: Israeli people internationally. So although the basis of this story
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Speaker 2: seems to be in an attempt by security services to
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Speaker 2: well put it that Iranians have indeed been plotting against
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Speaker 2: the British state, there seemed to be in many other
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Speaker 2: things that will fall into place as a result of this.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what your thoughts are on this, Mike.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm interested to aget Vanessa's thoughts on this. We
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Speaker 1: were talking about it earlier, and well, her immediate reaction
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Speaker 1: to me then was exactly what my reaction had been
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Speaker 1: before us was speaking to her that this is not
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Speaker 1: only reminiscent of Iraq two thousand and three and the
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Speaker 1: run up to, but also you know, allegations of Novechok
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Speaker 1: and scrip Ale and this kind of thing.
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Speaker 3: Vanessa, Yeah, absolutely, I mean, this is a very poorly
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Speaker 3: put together false flag attempt in my opinion, and it's
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Speaker 3: worth pointing out, as many people did on social media,
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Speaker 3: why would they bother coming to the UK to attack
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Speaker 3: a synagogue when actually the largest population of Jewish of
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Speaker 3: Jews is in Iran after the occupied territories of Palestine.
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Speaker 3: Of course, I mean, sorry, I shouldn't really mock the
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Speaker 3: whole idea, but it is. It is comedic in many ways.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, well, look, let's move on to Israel then, and
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Speaker 1: what they're up to with Yemen.
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Speaker 3: Yes, sorry, it all began, of course, it all began
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Speaker 3: back on the seventh of October, and it began again.
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Speaker 3: The war against Yemen began, if people don't remember, back
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Speaker 3: in March twenty fifteen, totally illegal aggression by Saudi Arabia,
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Speaker 3: after even the UN Peace Envoy d Yemen had stated
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Speaker 3: that there was no need for aggression. Yemen had politically
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Speaker 3: resolved its issues. So a few days ago, Yemen targeted
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Speaker 3: Ben Gurian Airport in Israel, creating bypassing effectively four layers
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Speaker 3: of air defense, starting in Saudi Arabia and then with
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Speaker 3: the American thood system and the various Israeli a different
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Speaker 3: systems to create a creator of twenty five meters in depth.
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Speaker 3: This of course caused the shutdown of Ben Gurian Airport
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Speaker 3: and the threat by Yemen to impose an air block
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Speaker 3: combined with their naval blockade in the Red Sea. So
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Speaker 3: Israel and the US carried out combined strikes against Sna,
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Speaker 3: the capital city of Yemen, and if we roll the video,
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Speaker 3: I'll just talk through it. So US bombed SNAr, the
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Speaker 3: capital city, while Israel bombed the Yemeni Sunar main airport,
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Speaker 3: targeting civilian aircraft, the runways, the arrival and departure terminals,
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Speaker 3: killing four people and injuring thirty nine, claiming that they
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Speaker 3: disabled the airport. Fully, of course, that claim has been
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Speaker 3: made quite a few times twenty fifteen. But what we
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Speaker 3: must remember is that the US and Israel have admitted
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Speaker 3: themselves that they have absolutely no on the ground intelligence
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Speaker 3: in Yemen, unlike within their neighboring countries in the region
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Speaker 3: like Syria and Lubanon for example. And this is Mohammad
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Speaker 3: al Shami, a Yemeni commentator on x who went on
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Speaker 3: saying that it's reported that they bombed on our airport, terminal,
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Speaker 3: service facilities at the airport, as well as civilian aircraft,
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Speaker 3: as I said, and the Amruan cement factory. And then
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Speaker 3: let's have a look. This was a bit of a
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Speaker 3: surprise announcement by President Trump in the last twenty four hours,
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Speaker 3: so let's play his announcement.
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Speaker 4: We had some very good news last night. The Houties
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Speaker 4: have announced that they are not, or they've announced to
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Speaker 4: us at least that they don't want to fight anymore.
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Speaker 4: They just don't want to fight, and we will honor that,
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Speaker 4: and we will we will stop the bombings, and they
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Speaker 4: have capitulated. But more importantly, we will take their word.
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Speaker 4: They say they will not be blowing up ships anymore,
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Speaker 4: and I will accept their word, and we are going
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Speaker 4: to stop the bombing of the Huties effective immediately.
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Speaker 3: Now, I would suggest, and I'd be interested in other
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Speaker 3: people's opinions, but the hubris that Trump was displaying there
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Speaker 3: does suggest that the Yemeni's did not capitulate, and I'll
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Speaker 3: come on to explain why in a minute. But what
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Speaker 3: was particularly interesting is that Israel was issuing or various
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Speaker 3: authorities in Israel were issuing statements saying that they were
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Speaker 3: shocked at the US footie ceasefire, claiming that Trump had
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Speaker 3: given them absolutely no heads up. And if we look
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Speaker 3: at one commentator on x who says, basically as he
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Speaker 3: explained one month ago, the Huties and Soula, as they
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Speaker 3: should be known, I only started attacking US ships after
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Speaker 3: Trump started bombing Yemen to retaliate on Israel's behalf. So
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Speaker 3: the actual ceasefire. Although it's good news, but it simply
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Speaker 3: takes us back to March twenty twenty five as regards conditions,
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Speaker 3: because Israel is not included in this ceasefire, and that's
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Speaker 3: very important point to make here. And then shortly after this,
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Speaker 3: Trump made, in inverted commas, a big announcement, So let's
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Speaker 3: have a listen, or rather he promised a big announcement.
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Speaker 3: Let's listen to this statement to the press, and we'll.
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Speaker 4: Have maybe before we're want to as you know, the
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Speaker 4: real least in Saudi Arabia, We're going to Uee and Qatar,
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Speaker 4: and that'll be I guess Monday night. Some of you
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Speaker 4: are coming with us. I think before then, we're gonna
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Speaker 4: have a very very big announcement to make, like as
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Speaker 4: big as it gets. And I won't tell you on what,
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Speaker 4: but it's gonna be and it's very positive. I'd also
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Speaker 4: I tell you if it was negative or positive. I
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Speaker 4: can't keep that up. It is really really positive. And
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Speaker 4: that announcement will be made either Thursday or Friday or
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Speaker 4: Monday before we leave, but it'll be one of the
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Speaker 4: most important announcements that have been made in many years
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Speaker 4: about a certain subject. Very important subject, so you'll all
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Speaker 4: you here.
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Speaker 3: Apparently the Washington Washington Posts released today that the big
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Speaker 3: announcement is that the Persian Gulf, which has been known
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Speaker 3: as such since the sixteenth century, is about to be
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Speaker 3: renamed the Arabian Gulf. So not only do we now
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Speaker 3: have the Gulf of America as opposed to the Gulf
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Speaker 3: of Mexico, we have another name change by Trump. This
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Speaker 3: is according to certain officials within the US administration, yet
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Speaker 3: to be confirmed. And I'm sure that the three Day
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Speaker 3: CIEs fire had nothing to do with the fact that
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Speaker 3: Trump is going to the golf countries, which would be
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Speaker 3: number one on the target list from Yemen. And also,
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Speaker 3: of course that bombing any of those countries would seriously
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Speaker 3: impact on the US economy as it could potentially destroy
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Speaker 3: the oil sector in those in those Gulf areas. But
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Speaker 3: I'm sure that has nothing to do with it. I'm
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Speaker 3: sure it's because the Yemenis wanted to capitulate. And then
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Speaker 3: let's have a look at how well the US has
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Speaker 3: actually been doing against Yemens So titles yesterday in CNN,
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Speaker 3: second US Navy jet is lost at sea from the
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Speaker 3: Truman Aircraft Garrier. This one apparently was due to a
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Speaker 3: failed arrastment. The pilots basically bailed out before the disaster happened,
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Speaker 3: and the jet ended up at the bottom of the
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Speaker 3: Red Sea. Of course, this isn't the first time there
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Speaker 3: was another jet basically Jet Overboard lost a sixteen million
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Speaker 3: jet at sea. This was in April. And actually there
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Speaker 3: was a third one which people may not remember, back
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Speaker 3: in December last year. This was reported in Aviation. In December,
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Speaker 3: another FA eighteen F super Hornet was shot down by
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Speaker 3: US Navy cruiser USS Gettysburg in a friendly fire incident.
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Speaker 3: So the US is not exactly you know, performing terribly
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Speaker 3: well against ym and it's certainly done nothing to prevent
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Speaker 3: the targeting of the US aircraft carriers in the Red Sea.
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Speaker 3: And then let's have a quick add up of the
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Speaker 3: damage since the Alexa flood operations on the seventh October.
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Speaker 3: So three hornets sixty seven million each, So that's two
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Speaker 3: hundred and one million twenty two MQ nine since the
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Speaker 3: seventh October four MQ nine's which are the drones of
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Speaker 3: course before October the seventh. The total so far is
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Speaker 3: one point zero three billion US dollars. And on social
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Speaker 3: media a few people went to town with images of
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Speaker 3: how well the US is doing as regards the loss
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Speaker 3: in inferted commas of aircraft. On the left was a
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Speaker 3: Yemeny joke. On the right was a Russian joke. I'm
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Speaker 3: sure that has nothing to do with conditions elsewhere. Also,
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Speaker 3: and of course this on a more serious level, this
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Speaker 3: was a warning from the New York Times about two
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Speaker 3: months ago. US commanders worry that the Yemen campaign will
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Speaker 3: drain arms needed to deter China. So potentially another reason,
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Speaker 3: of course that trumps looking for the US to pull
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Speaker 3: out of any aggression against Yemen. And then let's have
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Speaker 3: a look at Yemen's response, remembering of course that Israel is.
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Speaker 5: Not included in the ceasefire.
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Speaker 3: So the Humanitarian Coordination Center in Sana, Yemen has officially
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Speaker 3: notified the ICAO and the IATA, the airline Associations of
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Speaker 3: the Yemeny Armed Forces decision to impose an indefinite air
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Speaker 3: traffic ban on Israel, which again will have huge ramaations
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Speaker 3: for Israeli trade and economy. And then finally, this was
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Speaker 3: a statement put out by the President of the Salvation
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Speaker 3: Government in Yemen, President Mardi al Nashat, Supreme Political Council
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Speaker 3: in Yemen, there will be no retreat from supporting Gaza,
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Speaker 3: no matter the cost. What happened proves that our strikes
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Speaker 3: are effective and will continue. No aggression will deter us
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Speaker 3: from our just decision to support Gaza until the Zionist
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Speaker 3: aggression and siege on Gaza are halted. So Yemen has
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Speaker 3: absolutely no intention of stopping its attempt to prevent genocide
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Speaker 3: and punish the Zionist identity for committing genocide against Palestinians.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Vanessa. Well, let's move on from there to well,
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Speaker 1: let's consider this. Russia and China carry out all the
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Speaker 1: nasty spyware attacks on UK US and the European Union.
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Speaker 1: That's right, isn't it. That's what we're told. Well, now,
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Speaker 1: as we've been highlighting here at the UK column and
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Speaker 1: Vanessa as well for several years now, it's Israel which
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Speaker 1: is the biggest threat to our personal privacy and our
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Speaker 1: so called democracies. Because Israel has their own equivalent of
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Speaker 1: GCHQ and the NSA, and it's called Unit eighty two hundred,
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Speaker 1: So Unit eighty two hundred, the Israeli Defense Forces Signals
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Speaker 1: Intelligent Union is not just a signals intelligence unit. It's
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Speaker 1: also a cyber warfare operation, having run a number of operations,
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Speaker 1: for example, the stocks net Varus, which disabled the nuclear
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Speaker 1: centrifuges in Iran, Operation Orchard, which is from two thousand
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Speaker 1: and seven, in which Unit eighty two hundred most probably
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Speaker 1: jammed Syrian radar systems without a learning air defense operators
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Speaker 1: in order to all for a precise air strike against
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Speaker 1: Syrian nuclear facility at the Rezor the Gero incident, in
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Speaker 1: which the Lebanese government blamed Israel for having launched a
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Speaker 1: sophisticated cyber attack on Lebanon's telecommunications company Gero. Sorry to
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Speaker 1: spread this information through audio messages over to over ten
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Speaker 1: thousy Lebanese citizens. Now those could be argued to be
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Speaker 1: military applications, but we'd have to remember that Unit e
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Speaker 1: dy two hundred also seed funds tech companies including well
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Speaker 1: this one, Checkpoint and also Hollo, Alto Networks many others.
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Speaker 1: I just chose it choosing these two as an example
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Speaker 1: for a number of reasons. But if we look at
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Speaker 1: Checkpoint first and remind ourselves that Gilshfed is the co
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Speaker 1: founder and chief executive of Checkpoint, Israel's eighth richest billionaire.
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Speaker 1: Reputedly worth four point seven billion dollars. And of course
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Speaker 1: there is doctor Dora Door, whose chief Technology officer at
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Speaker 1: Checkpoint is also responsible for checkpoints Rocket initiatives, former chief
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Speaker 1: product officer, and both of these people were former unit
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Speaker 1: eighty two hundred eighty two hundred seed funding this company
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Speaker 1: and so on. Now, in twenty sixteen, Checkpoint teamed up
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Speaker 1: with is really arms company Israel Aerospace Industries to form
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Speaker 1: a consortium called IC three, and that was established by
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Speaker 1: the Israeli governments Ministry of Economy, and it was set
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Speaker 1: up to quote address technological cyber needs at a national
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Speaker 1: and governmental level, and IC three offers and end solutions
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Speaker 1: for national cyber systems. Now, coming back to Checkpoint and
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Speaker 1: their activities, they are everywhere. They are providing firewalls for
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Speaker 1: just about every well for many many corporations around the world.
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Speaker 1: They're in local consuls, they're in the NHS, They're everywhere.
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Speaker 1: And so I'm going to say, I'm going to ask
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Speaker 1: the question, can anybody think of a better source for
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Speaker 1: bulk data collection than a company selling appliances which process
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Speaker 1: every single packet of information as it passes between corporate,
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Speaker 1: government networks and the Internet and so on. Now, to
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Speaker 1: be clear, I have no direct evidence the Checkpoint is
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Speaker 1: doing this, but I am asking the question, and I
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Speaker 1: think it's a question that needs to be answered. And
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Speaker 1: the same question in fact that some including the likes
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Speaker 1: of Edward Lucas and many others who are pushing a
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Speaker 1: pro is really and an anti Russian narrative and particularly
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Speaker 1: an anti Chinese narrative, have been asking about Huawei. And
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Speaker 1: so the other question I have is if Huawei is
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Speaker 1: viewed as a threat to national security, then why not Checkpoint?
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Speaker 1: So why am I talking about this?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 6: Well?
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Speaker 1: Another unit eighty two hundred spawned company is this one?
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Speaker 1: This is the NSO group. NSO creates technology. It helps
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Speaker 1: government agencies prevent and investigate terrorism and crime to save
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Speaker 1: thousands of lives around the globe. Globe. Well, that sounds wonderful,
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Speaker 1: but of course they don't just work with government, as
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Speaker 1: we'll come on to in a second now. In June
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, Vanessa reported on this program that NSO
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Speaker 1: groups Pegasus software had been used to hack the phones
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Speaker 1: of journalists in France, including a senior member of staff
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Speaker 1: at France twenty four. The fact that that hack had
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Speaker 1: happened was made public by a French nonprofit media organization
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Speaker 1: called for Forbidden Stories, who were working with Amnesty International,
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Speaker 1: and they had obtained a list of fifty thousand telephone
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Speaker 1: numbers that have been compromised by clients of NSO Group
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Speaker 1: who bought access to the Pegasus software.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 1: The hack itself worked by exploiting vulnerability in WhatsApp, which
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Speaker 1: meant that the spyware could be installed on the target
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Speaker 1: phone by simply making a phone call to that phone.
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Speaker 1: The phone call didn't even need to be answered by
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Speaker 1: the person who was being attacked by this. Now yesterday,
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Speaker 1: then a jury in the US court has decided that
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Speaker 1: enough is enough and they have fined NSO Group one
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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seven million pounds a dollars sorry in
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Speaker 1: a punitive damages. The jury also awarded WhatsApp four hundred
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Speaker 1: and forty four million dollars in compensation, which is in
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Speaker 1: a sense pretty disgusting since all of that money will
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Speaker 1: go to Meta another to the people who were receiving
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Speaker 1: or on the receiving end of the hacks. Now WhatsApp
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Speaker 1: said today's verdict in WhatsApp's case is an important step
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Speaker 1: forward for privacy and security as the first victory against
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Speaker 1: the development and use of illegal spyware and threatn that
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Speaker 1: threatens the safety and privacy of everyone. Today's jury decision
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Speaker 1: forces NSO, a notorious foreign spyware merchant, to pay damages
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Speaker 1: as a critical deterrent to this malicious industry against their
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Speaker 1: illegal acts aimed at American companies and the privacy and
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Speaker 1: security of the people we serve. So it's quite interesting
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Speaker 1: that they don't mention is real directly in that press release.
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Speaker 1: They just call them as a foreign spyware company. Now,
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Speaker 1: the first step, in fact, perhaps would have been not
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Speaker 1: to leave the security hole in WhatsApp in the first place.
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Speaker 1: But in fairness to WhatsApp and Meta, they did act
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Speaker 1: quickly when the vulnerability was eventually discovered. They rolled out
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Speaker 1: a software update, and they patched the vulnerability. They notified
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Speaker 1: target you users that their devices have been hacked, and
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Speaker 1: then in the following weeks, Facebook and WhatsApp also removed
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Speaker 1: NSO employees from their platforms. Now, it should be pointed
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Speaker 1: out that NSO group wasn't exactly discerning about who they
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Speaker 1: sold access to the software too. Customers in fact included governments,
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Speaker 1: but also criminal cartels, which is, as the Guardian reports here,
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Speaker 1: resulted in the death of at least one journalist in Mexico.
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Speaker 1: So I think this is a big story, the fact
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Speaker 1: that NSO Group has been sanctioned in this way. It
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Speaker 1: could go even further. It could be argued that NSO
22:38
Speaker 1: groups activities, the fact that they're selling Pegas, or they
22:41
Speaker 1: had been selling Pegasus to not only governments but also criminals,
22:47
Speaker 1: certainly leaves them open to sanction, much broader sanctions if
22:51
Speaker 1: it had been anything other than is really company so Vanessa.
22:56
Speaker 1: Bearing in mind that NSO Group is supported by the
22:59
Speaker 1: Israeli government. Their software has been deployed against civilians in
23:02
Speaker 1: the West, you would think, as I say, that a
23:05
Speaker 1: stronger response would have been coming. I just would like
23:09
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on why governments are silent on this,
23:13
Speaker 1: Why Metas silent on the fact that it's an Israeli company,
23:17
Speaker 1: and you know, our government silent on this because they
23:20
Speaker 1: were customers of NSL Group. I just find it incredible
23:24
Speaker 1: that there's nothing, really no broad coverage of this at all.
23:30
Speaker 3: Well, again, I think we have to ask the question,
23:32
Speaker 3: who are our government working for and are whose national security?
23:38
Speaker 3: Are they protecting It becomes clear that they're not protecting
23:42
Speaker 3: British citizens national security because they're allowing what is now
23:47
Speaker 3: a state conducting a genocide and has been four hundred
23:52
Speaker 3: years to store our DNA, to collect data on us,
23:57
Speaker 3: to surveill us, to collaborate eight on projects within the
24:01
Speaker 3: national health sector in the UK and in the EU
24:05
Speaker 3: and in the US. So to what degree are we
24:08
Speaker 3: looking at state capture here? And why has our government
24:13
Speaker 3: not only the current one, but preceding ones. Why have
24:17
Speaker 3: they allowed such state capture to such an extent. This
24:22
Speaker 3: is what people should be extremely worried about, because I
24:24
Speaker 3: would guarantee it would be interesting to do a survey
24:28
Speaker 3: on how many eight two hundred countries companies are now
24:32
Speaker 3: involved in UK sectors across the country.
24:37
Speaker 1: Yes, it is incredible. I mean that the China comment
24:41
Speaker 1: of Huawei comment is a valid question. Why are we
24:46
Speaker 1: so worried about Huawei and China? And we don't care apparently?
24:50
Speaker 1: But it is real good? Is this because of the
24:52
Speaker 1: sick that?
24:53
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I think for a raft of reasons.
24:56
Speaker 2: But you know, we seem to live in an age.
24:58
Speaker 2: We've discussed it many times where no criticism of Israel,
25:02
Speaker 2: either direct or indirect, is to be tolerated. I think
25:05
Speaker 2: that's part of it. I think also in terms of
25:07
Speaker 2: the sanctioning, it'd be interesting to see what does happen.
25:10
Speaker 2: Bearing in mind how we've looked at the pharmaceutical industry
25:13
Speaker 2: for years and years and years, and every single time
25:16
Speaker 2: there's a knock back, it makes absolutely no difference either
25:18
Speaker 2: in the confidence that people have to take their products
25:21
Speaker 2: or the sort of eagerness with which governments will entangle
25:27
Speaker 2: themselves with them. So I don't know whether this will
25:29
Speaker 2: make much of a difference in the bigger picture, you see.
25:33
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you Sandy, let's welcome you to the program,
25:36
Speaker 1: and well let's find out what the wonderful David Attenborough
25:41
Speaker 1: has been up to.
25:43
Speaker 7: Thank you, Mike. Yes, Well, it's Britain's National Treasure's ninety
25:48
Speaker 7: ninth birthday tomorrow on March the eighth, and he's to
25:52
Speaker 7: celebrate this, he's launching his new film at the Wall
25:56
Speaker 7: Festival Hall in London and it's called Ocean with Vid Attenborough.
26:01
Speaker 7: Now he's actively involved school children in the launch of
26:04
Speaker 7: this latest documentary. On May the sixth, a special Future
26:09
Speaker 7: Generation's premier was held at London World Festival Hall, where
26:13
Speaker 7: hundreds of children from UK schools are invited to attend,
26:17
Speaker 7: and each selected school received fifteen free tickets allowing students
26:21
Speaker 7: and staff to experience the film before it's generally released tomorrow.
26:27
Speaker 7: The film is very alarmist and to be fair, it's
26:30
Speaker 7: likely to cause quite a lot of climate anxiety in
26:32
Speaker 7: these young students if you ask me, and you know
26:36
Speaker 7: it's again. It's the way he uses the propaganda to
26:42
Speaker 7: really push the UN and the WEF sustainable Goals agenda
26:48
Speaker 7: and always has done. The documentary was funded through a
26:53
Speaker 7: collaboration of several organizations committed to environmental conservation and impactful storytelling,
26:59
Speaker 7: and I think storytelling is probably the act word. The
27:03
Speaker 7: primary production companies behind the film are Silverback Films and
27:07
Speaker 7: Open Planet Studios. Major financial support came from Mindaroo Pictures,
27:13
Speaker 7: the film division of the Australian philanthropic Mindaroo Foundation, which
27:18
Speaker 7: can contributed one point five million towards the three point
27:21
Speaker 7: eight million production other that was the production budget was
27:27
Speaker 7: three point eight million. Other contributors were National Geographic, All
27:32
Speaker 7: three Media International ten percent for the Ocean that's the
27:37
Speaker 7: Sean Connery Foundation, don Quixote Foundation, the Prince Albert second
27:43
Speaker 7: of Monoco Foundation. They all coming out here, aren't they?
27:47
Speaker 7: National Geographic Society in Pristine Sees and revive our Ocean.
27:53
Speaker 7: Now is Attenborough has for a long time been involved
27:58
Speaker 7: with the IMF and the World Bank, and in twenty
28:02
Speaker 7: nineteen he did meet Christine Lagarde from the IMF Managing Director.
28:10
Speaker 7: She invited him to speak at the IMF World Bank
28:13
Speaker 7: Spring Meetings in front of an audience of finance ministers
28:16
Speaker 7: and governors of central banks and executive directors. He also
28:20
Speaker 7: met the World Bank Christina Georgia Geva and she invited
28:27
Speaker 7: him to the Our Planet presentation. Now he's always got
28:31
Speaker 7: the banks involved in all of this, and there's because
28:35
Speaker 7: we know that all of this is really involved in
28:39
Speaker 7: the whole green economy and what they they're now calling
28:43
Speaker 7: the blue economy. So the release of this Ocean with
28:50
Speaker 7: David Attenborough is strategically timed ahead of the World Ocean Day,
28:55
Speaker 7: which is a big conference being held in June in
28:58
Speaker 7: Nice by the United Nations, and it is focusing pretty
29:03
Speaker 7: much on Goal fourteen of the of the Sustainable Goals,
29:08
Speaker 7: which is life under the Sea. And again it's all
29:13
Speaker 7: about the ocean. Floor, how it can be monetized, the minerals, everything.
29:17
Speaker 7: It's all about raping, you know, raping the sea. And
29:21
Speaker 7: we've got a picture of Christine Legarde there with him
29:25
Speaker 7: with Attenborough. Now this is he's always been involved in
29:29
Speaker 7: all of this, and from the very beginning his film
29:34
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty three, Saving Our Wild Aisles film headed
29:39
Speaker 7: up something called the People's Plan for Nature which headed
29:42
Speaker 7: which really was you know, instrumental in the Canbill and
29:46
Speaker 7: the Blue Economy is another way of them monetizing the
29:53
Speaker 7: ocean floor. And of course Prince Charles has involved all
29:56
Speaker 7: of this. He's you know, he owns loads of seabed
29:59
Speaker 7: around the u UK and he's supported. He'll be there,
30:05
Speaker 7: I would imagine tomorrow at the at the at the
30:10
Speaker 7: Festival Hall to celebrate him. There'll be a media frenzy
30:15
Speaker 7: around all of this, I'm absolutely sure. And we know
30:17
Speaker 7: that he's also been involved in the w w F,
30:21
Speaker 7: which is was always historically about land grab the Rhodes
30:26
Speaker 7: Foundation and the Duke of Edinburgh and Prince Philip was
30:30
Speaker 7: one of the patrons. So yes, that's it, that's what's
30:34
Speaker 7: happening there, and I'll be talking about more things a
30:37
Speaker 7: little bit later on how he's how this people planned
30:40
Speaker 7: for nature has impacted on the canbill. So thank you
30:44
Speaker 7: very much, thank you, Sandy, thank you.
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34:05
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34:12
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34:14
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34:17
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34:21
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34:26
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34:27
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34:30
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34:33
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34:37
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34:40
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34:43
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34:50
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34:55
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34:59
Speaker 1: the interest of both the UK and the European Union.
35:02
Speaker 1: And he's going to discuss uniting across the continent to
35:05
Speaker 1: secure a justin lasting piece. In Ukraine, he was the first,
35:10
Speaker 1: he was the first Foreign Secretary since Brexit to attend
35:14
Speaker 1: any foreign formal meeting of EU foreign ministers. That was
35:17
Speaker 1: last October, and he's been working hard to build this
35:22
Speaker 1: stronger the stronger ties with Europe since he became Foreign Secretary.
35:27
Speaker 1: So now he as part of his visit, he is
35:30
Speaker 1: going to be following that by heading over to Bosnia
35:33
Speaker 1: and Herzegovina where he's going to visit EU for military headquarters.
35:39
Speaker 1: And that is significant because that's where EU troops first
35:44
Speaker 1: wore the EU flag on their arms, as we can
35:46
Speaker 1: see on screen here. It's also where the Union flag
35:50
Speaker 1: was flown beneath the EU flag as we can see here.
35:55
Speaker 1: And it's also where EU troops were given EU for
35:59
Speaker 1: metal a few years back. So you know, it is
36:03
Speaker 1: a fairly significant thing. I don't know what your thoughts
36:06
Speaker 1: are on this, Charles, but it just is incredible to
36:08
Speaker 1: me that we are going to have a major summit
36:12
Speaker 1: later this month with the Europe with Ursula vonnor Land
36:15
Speaker 1: and the European Commission, with a view to as the
36:18
Speaker 1: BBC likes to say, reset our relationship with the European Union.
36:21
Speaker 1: We've got this closer and closer integration and this drive
36:24
Speaker 1: for EU defense union and virtue signaling by heading off
36:29
Speaker 1: the U four headquarters and so on from David Lami,
36:32
Speaker 1: and total silence from certain sections of the political class
36:36
Speaker 1: in this country.
36:38
Speaker 2: It does, on the face of it, seemed completely remarkable.
36:40
Speaker 2: That can be the case in both respects, but remarkable
36:42
Speaker 2: that despite the fact we have left apparently the European
36:47
Speaker 2: Union that we could be clamoring to climb back in.
36:50
Speaker 2: But also as exactly like you say that people should
36:52
Speaker 2: be quiet about it, but especially now with what's going
36:56
Speaker 2: on in Ukraine and Russia, for that to be the
37:00
Speaker 2: sort of the dual effort for a push eastwards with
37:05
Speaker 2: NATO and a push absolutely everywhere with the EU. It's
37:09
Speaker 2: an awful lot for a lot of armed forces that
37:11
Speaker 2: don't really have much to say for themselves in terms
37:14
Speaker 2: of their firepower and capability at the moment.
37:17
Speaker 1: I'd say absolutely, we'll be talking more about that and
37:20
Speaker 1: extra and later on after the program. Now sadly, let's
37:24
Speaker 1: come back to you then, and let's move on to
37:28
Speaker 1: this issue of the people's plan for nature.
37:31
Speaker 7: Yes, I mean this is really on the back of
37:34
Speaker 7: I was at a gathering in Jvnent a week or
37:36
Speaker 7: so ago and a man handed me a paper that
37:39
Speaker 7: he'd been working on for quite a long time and
37:41
Speaker 7: asked me to read it, and I took it home,
37:44
Speaker 7: went through quite a large document, and he works in
37:47
Speaker 7: the environmental impact and his papers shed light on the
37:50
Speaker 7: fact that during twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, an extremist
37:53
Speaker 7: fringe mindset embodied by the likes of XR and the
37:57
Speaker 7: now defunct just Stop or and Insulate Britain had formerly
38:02
Speaker 7: been rejected by which formerly had been rejected by the
38:05
Speaker 7: British public, had infield traded. Many British charities up to
38:09
Speaker 7: the highest directed general level and CEO level, such as
38:14
Speaker 7: the National Trust and the RSPB, and English heritage charities
38:18
Speaker 7: like the National Trust and RSPBB have they have a
38:24
Speaker 7: five point eight million and one point two million, respectively
38:30
Speaker 7: people that have signed.
38:31
Speaker 5: Up to their.
38:35
Speaker 7: What they do. These charities have adopted consultants and implemented
38:39
Speaker 7: draconian eco extremist policies into their mission statements. Now these
38:44
Speaker 7: charities no longer adhere to their original mission statements, but
38:47
Speaker 7: have become powerful political activist groups that push for extreme
38:52
Speaker 7: change in Britain under the guise of saving the planet
38:55
Speaker 7: and achieving that zero by twenty thirty. By misusing or
38:58
Speaker 7: bypassing legiti democratic process, such charities falsely claimed to the
39:03
Speaker 7: mandate of their large membership basis through an NGO supported
39:07
Speaker 7: by David Atenborough called the People's Plan for Nature the
39:11
Speaker 7: PPFN as it's known. This NGO played a significant part
39:15
Speaker 7: in pushing the can bill, which still hasn't gone away
39:19
Speaker 7: and will be up for review unfortunately in July. So
39:23
Speaker 7: I just want to look at the People's Plan for Nature.
39:27
Speaker 7: The People's Plan is a collective collaborative initiative launched in
39:32
Speaker 7: twenty twenty three by three leading UK conservation organizations, which
39:36
Speaker 7: is the WWF, as I mentioned earlier, the Rule for
39:39
Speaker 7: Protection of Birds and the National Trust. The PPF does
39:45
Speaker 7: not have really any any kind of head or CEO. Instead,
39:49
Speaker 7: it's jointly overseen by the leadership of three founding organizations,
39:53
Speaker 7: and that's Tanya Steel, the CEO of the WWF, UK,
39:57
Speaker 7: Becky Spate, CEO of RSPB, and Hillary McGrady, Director General.
40:02
Speaker 7: As the National Trust these leaders have publicly endorsed the
40:05
Speaker 7: plan and are actively working to implement it recommendations within
40:09
Speaker 7: their respective organizations and a collaboration with other stakeholders. So
40:14
Speaker 7: let's look at this. Looking at the WEF website, what
40:18
Speaker 7: transpires is that David Attenbury has inspired the UK to
40:22
Speaker 7: create the PPFN by David Attenberg's documentary series Wild Isles,
40:29
Speaker 7: which inspired a campaign called You that called the People's
40:35
Speaker 7: Plan for Nature, which includes twenty six actions needed urgently
40:40
Speaker 7: to reverse decline of natural world. Prior to this, in
40:43
Speaker 7: twenty nineteen, Prince William and David Adler called to protect
40:47
Speaker 7: the planet through a New Deal for Nature at Davos,
40:50
Speaker 7: which led to the making of a documentary Are Wild
40:53
Speaker 7: Isles In twenty twenty three. After this, conservation charities. After
40:58
Speaker 7: these conservation charities came together the RSPB and the National
41:02
Speaker 7: Trust and for the first time they created a follow
41:06
Speaker 7: up documentary called Saving Our Wild Isles, narrated by the BBC.
41:10
Speaker 7: At the same time, the WF Global Risk Report put
41:14
Speaker 7: environmental risk by diversity loss and ecosystem collapse as the
41:19
Speaker 7: fourth biggest risk in the next ten years. So let's
41:23
Speaker 7: take a look at the closer look at the legitimacy
41:27
Speaker 7: of the People's Plan for Nature process of the Citizens
41:30
Speaker 7: Assemblies consultation to reach a consensus with just one hundred
41:35
Speaker 7: and three people over a period of four weekends. So
41:38
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty three, the PPFN Citizens Assembly was conducted
41:44
Speaker 7: as follows. It was about two hundred and seventy seven
41:47
Speaker 7: people applied, one hundred and ten were selected, one hundred
41:51
Speaker 7: and seven stated you know, finished the process, and one
41:55
Speaker 7: hundred and three completed it. The age range was sixteen
42:00
Speaker 7: class and all ticked all diversity groups and all were
42:03
Speaker 7: financially supported with the expenses and childcare. The Assembly gave
42:07
Speaker 7: the PPFN its twenty six recommendations and its legitimacy. So
42:13
Speaker 7: we were led to believe that these one hundred and
42:15
Speaker 7: three people, including miners, were representative of the seventy million
42:19
Speaker 7: people of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and capable
42:23
Speaker 7: of grasping the vast topic of climate change impact on
42:26
Speaker 7: the environment and net zero in eight short days. In reality,
42:31
Speaker 7: these people were cherry picked individuals steered by an expert
42:35
Speaker 7: facilitator from the engagement charity involved using Delphi technique that
42:40
Speaker 7: led to a predetermined outcome, and that outcome was determined
42:44
Speaker 7: by the WEF, David Attenborough, the World Wildlife Fund, the
42:48
Speaker 7: National Trust and the RSPB. The PPFN is published in
42:53
Speaker 7: ninety nine page report on the outcomes, funded by the
42:57
Speaker 7: of course the Esme furb Febir Foundation. So this was
43:02
Speaker 7: clearly a misuse of charitable status for political aims.
43:07
Speaker 4: You know.
43:07
Speaker 7: The pp F has since funded other products like the
43:11
Speaker 7: Cairngorms connect the Lundy Island Take No Zone, which actually
43:16
Speaker 7: is an area that has absolutely no human activity. It's
43:19
Speaker 7: a big experiment. The Duchy of Cornwall, the foreshore and
43:24
Speaker 7: the river bed rights. The Cornish Foreshore is owned by
43:27
Speaker 7: the crown and could this be closed off to protect nature.
43:31
Speaker 7: It spawned New Citizens Project with their Rapid Democracy pro process,
43:36
Speaker 7: a consultancy platform that gets public consensus very quickly. And
43:41
Speaker 7: we've got John Alexander who's from that. He says the
43:44
Speaker 7: People's The People's Plan for Nature is a pioneering two
43:49
Speaker 7: phase project gathering responses in a national consultation to a
43:53
Speaker 7: UK wide People's Assembly for Nature designed by the New
43:57
Speaker 7: Citizen Project based on a process called rapid Democracy. So
44:01
Speaker 7: they've got these consultants that actually allow these people's assemblies
44:06
Speaker 7: to happen and how they can process that information efficiently
44:11
Speaker 7: to push the agenda. So it's just been It begs
44:17
Speaker 7: the question just how many ordinary British people who take
44:21
Speaker 7: out annual membership of the RSPB and the National Trust,
44:25
Speaker 7: even the Women's Institute has been targeted do they realize
44:28
Speaker 7: they've been signed up to a militant eco zelotry organization
44:33
Speaker 7: and there you know, it's actually going towards their own
44:36
Speaker 7: enslavement and instead of flower arranging, doing garden and bird
44:40
Speaker 7: surveys and visiting country houses on a rainy Sunday, it
44:45
Speaker 7: would appear that the unsuspecting British public is being misused
44:48
Speaker 7: by the charities who hide behind the large numbers of
44:52
Speaker 7: members taken out for the original Old Mission Mission statement
44:55
Speaker 7: decades ago, and who claim a mandate for extremist environ
45:00
Speaker 7: mental action for a reason that science simply doesn't back up.
45:04
Speaker 7: So yeah, it looks as though that these charities have
45:08
Speaker 7: really been used. Now I've put this document in the
45:12
Speaker 7: show notes so that people can look at this because
45:15
Speaker 7: it might help people, for instance, who are fighting campaigns
45:19
Speaker 7: with the with the Maulven Trust issue that's going on
45:23
Speaker 7: there where that you know, perhaps they could lock off
45:26
Speaker 7: human activity on the Maulvin Hills and certainly with the
45:30
Speaker 7: WHS status that we're fighting here where we're trying to
45:36
Speaker 7: bat off UNESCO from actually taking control of my town.
45:41
Speaker 7: So that's that's really a good deep dive into that,
45:45
Speaker 7: so people can use that as a resource hopefully.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Sandy, Thank you for that. Okay, So let's
45:51
Speaker 1: come back to the Middle East, then, and what's the
45:55
Speaker 1: lettust on Gaza?
45:58
Speaker 5: H Well, I'm in.
45:59
Speaker 3: The horrors haven't ceased in Gaza, of course, even under
46:03
Speaker 3: the Trump administration, and they're about to get a whole
46:06
Speaker 3: lot worse. So in the last few days, it's been
46:09
Speaker 3: reported that there has been permission.
46:12
Speaker 5: Or rather tactical approval.
46:14
Speaker 3: For a total invasion of Gaza. This was published in
46:20
Speaker 3: The Cradle and interesting that Trump on this situation on
46:27
Speaker 3: Gaza in particular, he's given Natanyahu the green light as
46:31
Speaker 3: Israel prepares to flatten Gaza. Not a top priority, says Trump,
46:36
Speaker 3: except of course, for the waterfront property contracts that he's
46:40
Speaker 3: hoping to secure for his son.
46:42
Speaker 5: In law, Jared Kushner.
46:43
Speaker 3: So let's have a look at what Bezillel's Motorch has
46:47
Speaker 3: said again in the last two days to the Times
46:50
Speaker 3: of Israel, within half a year, the Gaza population will
46:53
Speaker 3: be concentrated in a narrow strip of land between the
46:56
Speaker 3: border with Egypt and the Morag Corridor, which Israel has
47:00
Speaker 3: recently established inside Gaza. Gaza will be totally destroyed and
47:04
Speaker 3: territory north of Morag will be empty. What does this
47:08
Speaker 3: actually mean. I just want to show two maps, the
47:11
Speaker 3: first showing previously. It's not entirely current, but it's certainly
47:17
Speaker 3: fairly recent, and it's in French, but I think people
47:20
Speaker 3: can can work it out without direct translation. You can
47:24
Speaker 3: see that the more Egg corridor to the south of Gaza.
47:28
Speaker 3: You can see the area in green of Rufa, which
47:31
Speaker 3: is still effectively perceived as Palestinian by the Zionus, then
47:36
Speaker 3: is rarely control at the Philadelphia Corridor and the border
47:40
Speaker 3: with Egypt, and then beyond eg corridor is the Khan
47:45
Speaker 3: Yunis band of territory, and if we look at the
47:48
Speaker 3: next map, we can see how devastating this is going
47:51
Speaker 3: to be for Palestinians. So the circle there goes from
47:54
Speaker 3: Khan Yunas to the north of Gaza, where you then
47:58
Speaker 3: enter the occupied territories of Palestine. So effectively what he's saying,
48:03
Speaker 3: not even the entirety of that southern section, only part
48:09
Speaker 3: of it, sandwich between ZENUS forces will be used to
48:15
Speaker 3: house two million Palestinians who were formerly living in a
48:19
Speaker 3: strip of land forty kilometers by twelve kilometers about the
48:22
Speaker 3: size of the Isle of Wight, and now going to
48:25
Speaker 3: be condensed into a tiny area, which is effective. I
48:29
Speaker 3: don't even know how to describe it now. Smartrich went
48:33
Speaker 3: on to say the Gaza citizens will be concentrated in
48:37
Speaker 3: the south, they will be totally despairing, understanding there is
48:41
Speaker 3: no hope, and will be looking for relocation to begin
48:44
Speaker 3: a new life in other places. So effectively, what the
48:47
Speaker 3: Zionists are saying, what they have done so far, the
48:50
Speaker 3: appalling atrocities that they've been committing on an hourly daily
48:54
Speaker 3: basis against Palestines was not enough. So now they're going
48:58
Speaker 3: to have to increase and double down on the pressure.
49:03
Speaker 5: And we'll come on to what else is going to
49:05
Speaker 5: be employed.
49:06
Speaker 3: But what's interesting, and we've talked about this before, that
49:10
Speaker 3: Israel is to use US military contractors, in other words,
49:15
Speaker 3: private military companies in the new gaze Gaza aid scheme. Now,
49:22
Speaker 3: what does this mean? There will be two private military
49:26
Speaker 3: contractors basically UG Solutions, if we can just put the
49:31
Speaker 3: slide up on screen, UG Solutions anytime anywhere, and a
49:37
Speaker 3: Safe Reach, which is the next slide. Now, the reason
49:40
Speaker 3: I haven't pulled out too much information on this is
49:42
Speaker 3: because there isn't any what this reminds me of. Are
49:45
Speaker 3: there kind of intelligence or special forces cut out websites
49:51
Speaker 3: where you find absolutely no information about the teams? And
49:54
Speaker 3: in fact the Safe Reach website page is only one page.
49:59
Speaker 3: So I've done here a summary of the Gaza plan
50:02
Speaker 3: based on the reports that I've seen. There isn't a
50:04
Speaker 3: sort of a comprehensive report on what's going to happen,
50:08
Speaker 3: but this gives a good idea. So in other words,
50:11
Speaker 3: the Zionists want to gain full control of the Gaza nglade,
50:16
Speaker 3: and they're claiming they want to eliminate humas. Of course,
50:18
Speaker 3: that hasn't gone particularly well for.
50:20
Speaker 5: Them so far.
50:22
Speaker 3: Zionist military occupation for an indefinite period of Gaza itself,
50:28
Speaker 3: ethnic cleansing of two million guards, and of course that
50:32
Speaker 3: is the final solution for the Zionis starvation as a strategy.
50:38
Speaker 3: So what they're intending to do is to reduce from
50:41
Speaker 3: six hundred to sixty trucks per day AID to be
50:45
Speaker 3: distributed only at six Zionis controlled centers. The US private
50:51
Speaker 3: military contractors will be guarding those facilities and also helping
50:56
Speaker 3: to man checkpoints and guess what, there will be facial
51:00
Speaker 3: recognition access to those AID distribution centers. So again the
51:06
Speaker 3: crossover between what is happening in the West and what
51:10
Speaker 3: is happening on a far more elevated scale in Palestine
51:14
Speaker 3: becomes very apparent. And then finally, the EU involvement, particularly
51:20
Speaker 3: with France Gaza evacuation scheme Israel's trojan horse for ethnic
51:25
Speaker 3: cleansing question mark.
51:26
Speaker 5: This is again is in the cradle.
51:28
Speaker 3: But effectively France is focusing on the evacuation of alleged
51:33
Speaker 3: French citizens and their entire extended family, which of course
51:37
Speaker 3: could be a large number of Gazans. And we've been
51:41
Speaker 3: hearing about the evacuation of the injured and so on,
51:44
Speaker 3: So yeah, this does appear to be a stealth evacuation
51:49
Speaker 3: policy as part of the final solution, the final ethnic
51:53
Speaker 3: cleansing of Gaza, and of course the West Bank.
51:58
Speaker 1: Thank you for this and thank you for that. We'll
52:01
Speaker 1: loves to talk about an extra today, but let's end
52:04
Speaker 1: Charlesworth World Coin.
52:07
Speaker 2: We will. Just before we do, I'm just going to
52:09
Speaker 2: read a little bit of the statement that David Lammie
52:10
Speaker 2: has just put out about India and Pakistan, because it
52:13
Speaker 2: bears great relation to what Vanessa has just been talking about,
52:15
Speaker 2: and I would say sort of double standards that he
52:19
Speaker 2: and the UK government applies. He talks about the government
52:23
Speaker 2: urging India and Pakistan to show restraint and to engage
52:26
Speaker 2: in direct dialogue to find a swift diplomatic path forward,
52:30
Speaker 2: and that he's made clear to his counterparts that if
52:33
Speaker 2: this escalates further, nobody wins. So that's his position on
52:39
Speaker 2: Indian Pakistan. Where is he when Israel and Gaza is concerned,
52:45
Speaker 2: would be my question just to finish that off. But yes,
52:47
Speaker 2: we now go to technology. Of course always related in
52:51
Speaker 2: some sense to Israel, but in this instance really one
52:55
Speaker 2: of the great tech cons in which we're supposed to
52:58
Speaker 2: surrender to the belief that machines will control humans. And
53:05
Speaker 2: this rumbles on. This time we take a look at
53:08
Speaker 2: Tools for Humanity, the organization which has just launched its
53:12
Speaker 2: latest scam in the United States. On screen in a
53:15
Speaker 2: second will be the promotional video designed to encourage people
53:20
Speaker 2: to hand over their biometric data by dealing with this
53:23
Speaker 2: little white ball, and as you'd see, it attracts of
53:27
Speaker 2: very cheery and diverse folk. Now, one of the brains
53:32
Speaker 2: behind this is apparently Sam Altman, who is also credited
53:36
Speaker 2: with creating the open AI platform chat GPT, which is
53:41
Speaker 2: directly relevant to the scheme being run here. The premise
53:46
Speaker 2: being that in a world of generative AI, it is
53:49
Speaker 2: not possible to tell what is human and what is not,
53:53
Speaker 2: which is where tools for humanity comes in. At this
53:56
Speaker 2: point I should say that if this makes no sense
53:59
Speaker 2: to you, then first you're not the only one. And secondly,
54:02
Speaker 2: you should most certainly listen to the first of the
54:05
Speaker 2: German Warfare podcasts from Monday Night about exactly this topic
54:09
Speaker 2: and they'll bilink in the show notes. But as reported
54:13
Speaker 2: by Reuter's a couple of years ago, and similar to
54:16
Speaker 2: the way in which people were convinced to take injections
54:20
Speaker 2: by being offered hamburgers, the incentive here is that if
54:23
Speaker 2: you submit your biometric data, you may be credited with
54:27
Speaker 2: world coin, the type of cryptocurrency which may at some
54:31
Speaker 2: point be worth something. So there are a lot of
54:34
Speaker 2: conditionals here, but that's not deterred the gullible from squaring
54:38
Speaker 2: up to these machines. This is what they look like,
54:42
Speaker 2: and the Tools for Humanity cast it as their signature Gizmo,
54:48
Speaker 2: describing it as being a custom, state of the art
54:52
Speaker 2: hardware device built for the World Coin Project to verify
54:56
Speaker 2: humanness and uniqueness in a secure and privacy preserving way. Now,
55:03
Speaker 2: if that sounds like an immensely unlikely promise, then I
55:07
Speaker 2: wonder if a clip from their launch will reassure you.
55:12
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then it's give it us bin. Nothing like
55:16
Speaker 6: a live demo here. So he just scanned his QR
55:21
Speaker 6: code from his world app. That'll connect the ORB with
55:23
Speaker 6: his device and that starts the process. All right, So
55:37
Speaker 6: he's a little bit too far from the ORB. It
55:40
Speaker 6: asked him to move a little bit closer. Try one
55:47
Speaker 6: more time. The stage lights might be affecting the cameras
55:51
Speaker 6: we're afraid of but it'll work.
55:56
Speaker 3: Perfect.
56:03
Speaker 6: Nothing like a live demo. Live demos, all right, here
56:08
Speaker 6: we go, Okay, all right, scan is QR code. So
56:13
Speaker 6: he's paired the ORB with his phone. All right, So
56:22
Speaker 6: it's asking him to move a little bit closer because
56:24
Speaker 6: he's standing too far away, and you don't have to
56:26
Speaker 6: be in the exact position, but just approximately right. So
56:29
Speaker 6: now it knows he's in the right position, but it
56:31
Speaker 6: sees something. So the ORB detected something was covering his face,
56:38
Speaker 6: and he forgot to remove his glasses, so he just
56:39
Speaker 6: took those off, and now the ORB can clearly see
56:42
Speaker 6: his face and his eyes and should just take a
56:44
Speaker 6: few seconds to finish its process. There we go, simple
56:51
Speaker 6: as that.
56:54
Speaker 2: Wow, indeed, simple as that, and have very apt that
56:58
Speaker 2: the title for the event was at last. Anyway, from
57:02
Speaker 2: the incessant applause, it seems that the audience also unable
57:05
Speaker 2: to think of a more simple method for determining whether
57:08
Speaker 2: or not a human is human. So a pointless exercise
57:12
Speaker 2: for the user, perhaps, but it does gift to world,
57:14
Speaker 2: as it's now called, and to tools for humanity, an
57:17
Speaker 2: extraordinary amount of information. And this is information which can
57:21
Speaker 2: absolutely be used against the very same user. Now, as
57:25
Speaker 2: pointed out on very many occasions by UK column, not
57:29
Speaker 2: only does this technology not do what it purports to do,
57:32
Speaker 2: it's also not secure, and it is of course security
57:36
Speaker 2: which is used as one of the prime yures. So
57:39
Speaker 2: we'll just look at a slide now from tech Crunch
57:42
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, reporting on the password theft
57:46
Speaker 2: of the so called ORB operators. Interestingly, the article goes
57:49
Speaker 2: on to describe the basis of the pyramid scheme itself,
57:52
Speaker 2: saying that those interested must first visit an ORB operator
57:57
Speaker 2: who are recruited and contracted by world coil in and
58:00
Speaker 2: earn money for every person they sign up. Now, whilst
58:04
Speaker 2: Americans may begin queuing up in their droves, there is
58:07
Speaker 2: no a groundswell of pushback elsewhere in the world, something
58:10
Speaker 2: which was not mentioned at last week's launch event. And
58:12
Speaker 2: here we see reporting from Kenya with news of a
58:15
Speaker 2: recent high court decision against world Coin. Now I've mentioned
58:19
Speaker 2: this case previously, which was bought broad sorry by the
58:22
Speaker 2: Katiba Institute, supported by the International Commission of Jurists, and
58:27
Speaker 2: the ICJ put out a statement which says ICJ Kenya
58:31
Speaker 2: welcomes today's landmark judgment declaring the collection, processing and transfer
58:36
Speaker 2: of biometric data by world Coin as unlawful and unconstitutional.
58:43
Speaker 2: Now they went on to order the following which was
58:50
Speaker 2: my apologies gone on too far. They ordered world Coin
58:59
Speaker 2: to there's a prohibition on data collection, the permanent deletion
59:05
Speaker 2: of data, and a revocation of data processing certificate. So
59:10
Speaker 2: in effect they have shut down tools of humanity in
59:13
Speaker 2: the country, which should just go to show that pushback
59:16
Speaker 2: is always worth it. And I think the only thing
59:18
Speaker 2: to add is that Amnesty also put out a statement
59:21
Speaker 2: in effect supporting this decision, but also saying that in
59:25
Speaker 2: the pipeline there's action to be taken against Meta for
59:29
Speaker 2: its abuse of Facebook in the sense that they put
59:33
Speaker 2: out inflammatory content with regard to tensions in Ethiopia, which
59:38
Speaker 2: they say has pushed people towards violence that they might
59:42
Speaker 2: not otherwise have met. So, as I say, this is
59:47
Speaker 2: a step put, a step absolutely in the right direction
59:50
Speaker 2: against the technology that not only doesn't actually work but
59:53
Speaker 2: really has no place in our lives.
59:56
Speaker 1: And maybe something we'll discuss it in EXTRA is why
59:59
Speaker 1: it seems to be only the global South that's pushing
1:00:01
Speaker 1: back against this stuff. But anyway, we've got to leave
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Speaker 1: it there for today. Thank you, Charles, Thank you to
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