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Brown University reminds us of the dangers in public settings · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  We are faith and fury.
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  Love and fire.
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  This is the human equation where every voice counts and every truth cuts deep.
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  With your host, Joseph Pancar.
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  Hey everybody.
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  And welcome to the human equation.
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  So, as will happen in people's lives, we do have things that come up and really can throw us for a loop.
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  So in recent weeks, I had a had one of my children get very ill very suddenly out of the blue.
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  Started out as just a couple of aches and pains, and that quickly grew into very, very serious abdominal problems that led her to the hospital where she spent five or six days, period.
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  She was cared for very well by the doctors and the nurses.
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  And after five days, she was released and sent home.
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  She is doing better, but boy, did it uh did it knock me for a loop as uh as many things in life can when we're just trying to exist and do our thing, right?
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  So one of the things I talk about here all the time is I say, hey, I I hope to give people ideas and things to think about, and I really like the idea of a conversation.
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  Well, I I can't tell you how thrilled I am when somebody sends me an email or sends me some kind of uh response to something I've talked about on here on our show.
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  It's it's a good thing.
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  And recently I had a I did a program on the uh military hitting these drug boats, these fast boats filled with cocaine and whatnot, heading to the shores of America.
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  And I find it interesting, like I got a lot of response from people on that.
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  Uh I also heard from people that I know personally that listened to the show and texted me and got back and forth.
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  And I tell you, it was it was interesting in that I had, I guess the majority of people, I'm gonna say 75% of the people, pretty much agreed with my thoughts that you know, hitting these boats filled with drugs as they as they leave Venezuela and make their way to America is a reasonable thing to do.
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  And then I had probably about 25% of the people uh I'm not gonna say they defended the drug dealers, the narco-terrorists who are in these boats, but they didn't like the idea that America did this, we have no right to do this, uh, we should be arresting people, we should be bringing them to trial, they have due process rights, they have this, that, and the other thing.
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  And I started to realize I've spent a career in law enforcement.
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  And for a very large part of my career in law enforcement, uh, as a detective, I was in the narcotic squad, and we went after people, uh, people here in America, all over the Northeast is where I did most of my work, though, it led me to Arizona and a couple other locations where the drugs were being shipped back and forth to the Northeast.
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  And in all of those cases, while I find that the drug dealers are plying their trade at the um to the dismay of our country in general, because whether you're selling heroin and cocaine here in America to people who want it, you know, they want clearly there's a there's a desire for these drugs, no doubt about it.
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  Uh but the fact is is that uh people can become addicted and their lives are ruined.
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  And that's why, you know, narcotics like heroin, cocaine and things like that are illegal.
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  You know, we look at marijuana, we've gone for years and years and years dealing with marijuana.
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  It's always been part of the subculture.
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  It was around when I was in high school, everybody was getting high.
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  It's just what happened, but it was illegal.
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  And if you were caught being in possession of marijuana, any amount uh of marijuana, that was a criminal charge that you would face.
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  You get fingerprinted, photographed, uh, even for a very, very small amounts, and it was on your criminal record as a drug offense.
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  You would have to report that throughout your entire life when you went for a job application or a clearance for something.
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  And I remember thinking that, you know, that was unfortunate for a lot of people.
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  I I I never had such a thing.
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  That never happened to me.
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  Uh and I I saw lots and lots of people really uh innocently ruining their lives because they were just you know getting high, smoking smoking pot.
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  Well, I gotta tell you, there's a couple of things on the reality of smoking pot.
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  Now, marijuana is not a physically addictive kind of substance.
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  Uh, but it is psychologically addictive.
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  People that smoke marijuana end up becoming psychologically addicted to it, where they need to get high every day.
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  They gotta get high all the time, they gotta get high, high, high, they gotta smoke, smoke, smoke, and it never stops.
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  And you look at that and you say, sure, they're not going to overdose on marijuana like they can on cocaine heroin.
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  I'm just naming a couple of the very serious illicit drugs that are out there.
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  But the reality is we saw a lot of these young people ruining their lives because they had a drug conviction on their record.
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  And throughout my career, I always realized how how serious that was for these people.
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  I have four four children, and my concern always was that they would be with somebody who would be getting high or smoking pot, or they themselves would do it and get caught and ruin their lives, right?
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  Because they had a conviction uh of possession of of narcotics, which is what it's called, eats under the narcotics laws.
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  Well, in recent times we have seen how society has come around to the view that hey, maybe marijuana is not so bad, and maybe we should treat it like alcohol, tax it, sell it, etc.
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  etc.
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  And you you're seeing it be legalized uh for possession and personal loose use all across the country.
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  Now the problem that I see with that, and I mentioned this in the previous episode, but it's it's worth mentioning again.
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  The real danger here is not that you'll become physically addicted to marijuana, but you can become psychologically addicted.
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  Now, when I was in high school, very, very strong marijuana, uh, very powerful marijuana was maybe maybe you had a 10% uh THC level in the marijuana.
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  Most of it was like six or seven percent.
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  But if you got something really good, uh it would be maybe 10%.
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  Well, now, in modern times, because it's it's it's grown uh scientifically, uh, we understand how to enhance the plants, etc.
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  etc.
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  You it it's not uncommon to have marijuana with 40, 50, 60% THC content.
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  It is very, very powerful.
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  Where back in the day, somebody might sit and smoke an entire marijuana cigarette, a joint by themselves, and you know, they'd be high and goofy and silly, but they could function pretty much, right?
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  Now, you ask anybody that that smokes pot now, hey, is it is it pretty powerful?
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  And they will tell you, whether it's the gummies that they chew and eat or or the marijuana that they're smoking, it is very, very potent.
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  Uh and what we see in all of these states where they've legalized um possession and use of marijuana is you see more car accidents than you ever did, and they're attribute them directly to people being high as a kite.
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  Now, that if they crashed your car into a tree and they hurt themselves, well, that they shouldn't have been doing it.
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  They hit a park car, well, they're gonna get in trouble financially.
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  But what happens when they hit you and your family, right?
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  Or your son or your daughter on a bicycle or somebody because they were high.
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  Is that really what we want to do, right?
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  So anyway, that was that I think we we we needed to talk about that.
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  Uh is it a gateway drug?
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  That's an argument that's been going on forever.
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  And I always said, just because you smoke marijuana does not mean you're Jones in the next day.
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  Now I need heroin.
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  Now I need cocaine, because I I need because I took marijuana, and that's that's not how it works.
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  All right.
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  Marijuana does not make you go to the next thing.
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  What it does do, what marijuana does do, and it what makes it a gateway drug is that it takes away a lot of the fear or concern or apprehension people have about using drugs, right?
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  Because they they get high, and you know, they're told these stories that, oh, marijuana, you're gonna you're gonna be violent, or you're gonna you're gonna jump off a roof, or you're not gonna know what you're doing, or you and in reality, when uh people kids go out and they start getting high, they find out that you know nobody's jumping off the rope, no, nobody's getting violent, nobody's doing anything.
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  What they find out is that the jokes sound funnier, the music sounds better, the relationships with people are more fun, you know, hey, cool, man, you're my friend, you're my bro, right?
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  We start to see that.
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  And I gotta tell you from the hundreds of drug raids I've gone on, search warrant executions.
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  When you hit a house where they were uh selling crack cocaine, everybody was a crackhead, you'd go in there and there'd be people running around, jumping up and down, fist fighting with you, it would be crazy.
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  When you hit a uh pot distributor, marijuana distributor, you went in there, like people were sitting in a chair and they'd look, wow, dude, the cops are here, holy moly.
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  It was totally different, you know, uh kind of reaction of what you got.
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  But the reality is that these drugs.
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  If you it marijuana, if you can use it like alcohol, you know, sparingly a little bit here and there.
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  Okay, people want to smoke, I get it, you know.
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  But the reality is that because look at the car accidents.
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  Look at the things that are going on.
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  It's it slows people down.
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  How many people that you know that you grew up with that still smoke throughout their entire you know young adulthood into their adult life?
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  Many of them, not all, because you're gonna sit there, go, dude.
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  I smoke every day of my life, and I'm very productive.
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  Well, that's good for you.
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  I know a lot of people who didn't who did not reach their potential in life because they were busy getting high.
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  I saw people who could have gone on to bigger, better things, but they just didn't because they were more interested in getting high.
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  They didn't complete their degree, they didn't get a better job, they did whatever, and they just kind of they kind of languish where they were, but they could get high.
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  And now here I am at the other end of the spectrum, and I have friends in in our 60s that are still getting high all the time, and they're still suffering from the same things that they did when they were young.
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  They they can't seem to get themselves together, they can't seem to, but hey, you know, they only make uh $500 a week, but 200 of it is going for marijuana, and then they complain they don't have any money.
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  You know, it's it's just it's one of those things.
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  It's not good.
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  Marijuana is not good.
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  The psychoactive drugs in it are not good for you.
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  That is how I always saw it as a gateway.
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  I saw I saw you take away that fear of drugs, and then kids would try a pill, they would try some cocaine, they would try uh a little bit of heroin, and next thing you know, they're addicted because those drugs are physically addicting.
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  All right.
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  So I'm gonna get back to the emails, and and when I talked about these fast boats.
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  So I I had discussed about like I said, about 25% of people disagreed with me.
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  And I had one lady who wrote to me, and I'm glad she did, and I'm very happy that she did.
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  Uh and she says, I appreciate your views on the war on drugs, but you missed a few things.
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  First, no fentanyl comes from Venezuela, it comes from Mexico, mostly through ports of entry, not random boats a thousand miles away from the US and through the US mail.
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  Okay.
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  So let's deal with that first.
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  All right.
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  Back in the 1970s and the early 1980s, there was a TV show called Miami Vice.
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  Miami Vice was about uh detectives in in Miami, right?
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  Uh uh Crubs and what was it, tubs?
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  Crockett and tubs, right?
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  It was great.
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  I loved the show.
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  I thought it was fun.
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  And what they talked about was the high-speed jet boats that were bringing all this cocaine from the south into Florida, into the southern parts of Florida.
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  It became a huge drug route.
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  Well, over time, we went after those boats so much.
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  Now, granted, we didn't shoot them out of the water, we did stop them, and we did arrest people, a lot of them uh take the drugs, but a lot of them were just drug runners.
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  These are individuals who had have have very limited choices uh for work to be able to make the kind of money that they need, so therefore they would take a chance and smuggle drugs.
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  We've seen this forever and ever and ever.
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  And what happened was we the government hit hit the boats so hard, uh stopping them, the Coast Guard, uh the Navy, etc.
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  etc., that they had to find a different way to get the drugs into America.
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  So we started to see that it would run up through Mexico instead of going across the water and into uh South Florida, it would go up through Mexico across the border and then into California, where from California it was shipped in trucks all across the uh United States.
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  And I I attended a lot of training with the DEA, the Drug Enforcement Administration, and they had a truck unit at the time, and what these officers would do is that they would hang out in uh motels and not dirt bag motels, but motels a couple hundred dollars a night, and they would do surveillances and they would look for a truck, you know, a Mac truck uh with a 53-foot trailer that was from the from Chicago or from the Northeast, New Jersey or or someplace on the East Coast, and they would see that tractor trailer parked at this $200 a night motel for two or three nights.
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  Now that in and of itself is no big deal.
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  Maybe somebody's uh they ran a load out there and they're taking a couple of days.
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  But what they found was from investigations was that normally those people were sitting around at 200 bucks a night uh because they were gonna make a lot of money running drugs back to the East Coast or to Chicago or to uh to one of the other major metropolitan areas, and they would sit there and they would wait to get the call that the load had come up from Mexico, and then they would go load it up.
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  Uh and a lot of times you would see they would get you know three, four, five hundred, a thousand kilos of cocaine or heroin or whatever, and they would load that in the front of the tractor trailer and then fill the rest of it with some kind of uh some kind of other inexpensive uh products like uh lettuce or vegetables or things like that, and they would pack the truck with that.
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  Then they would leave and they would head uh to to their point of destination to big New Jersey was Newark, Newark, New Jersey was a big spot uh for a lot of these drugs to be delivered in Chicago, obviously, New Orleans, things like that.
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  Well, in many of these cases, what they would do is they would see this uh truck driver in this truck registered to New Jersey sitting around for three days, and then all of a sudden the truck would pull out, they would surveil it, follow it, they would see it go to a low a location where it would be loaded, and then it will go pick up this fruit or vegetables or whatever it is at another place, and then it would head back east.
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  Well, at this point, they had enough problem cause, they had a search warrant, they would stop the truck out in the desert, uh, and then they would examine the truck, uh f identify the drugs and lock up the driver.
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  Now, the driver, uh, you you go running around with uh in most of our states, over five ounces of cocaine or heroin is a very, very serious charge.
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  So if you're running around, you got 500 kilos of cocaine, you're gonna go to prison for a very long time.
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  So you you have these truck drivers who are trying to make ends meet, and they get told, hey, you can run a load of 500 kilos from a place in Los Angeles, you just come straight across, you go to Newark, they unload your truck, and they'll pay you a thousand dollars per kilo.
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  So you might have a truck driver making 500,000 to do a run, a three uh a two-day run across the United States with the with tomatoes, uh, but it's also filled with cocaine or heroin.
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  So these boat guys that we see coming from Venezuela and this and that, uh, they are delivering cocaine, heroin, and all those kind of things, and those drugs are killing American citizens.
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  Now, there is a demand for it from American citizens, but just because there's a demand for something bad doesn't mean we should allow it to come into our country, because here's the other thing.
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  Just like uh the reality is that if marijuana is illegal, many, many, many, many people will not even give it a try because it's illegal.
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  But if it becomes legal, they will give it a try.
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  And not all, but some, many, many people will become psychologically addicted to it.
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  Well, cocaine and heroin are the same way.
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  Because it's illegal, most people won't go near it, they won't touch it, they won't even try it.
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  But if it's legal, well, then they're gonna try it and they're gonna become physically addicted, which is going to ruin their lives, right?
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  You can't afford to keep up with the cost of the drug after a while.
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  So that's another reason we we we can't let it get here to our country.
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  So I wanted to thank this woman who wrote to me and said, uh, you know, they're not going through random boats a thousand miles away, just through the US mail, and it first of all, uh those those boats, they're running precursor chemicals.
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  Uh they're running cocaine and heroin that is mixed with fentanyl.
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  Now, the fentanyl, uh, the precursors, a lot of the precursors to make the fentanyl come from China.
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  They're shipped to uh our hemisphere to Mexico, where the fentanyl is created, and then it's placed uh either on its own as the drug fentanyl, or it's mixed in with heroin and cocaine, which makes the heroin and cocaine, you can cut it.
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  So for some of you who have never heard the term cutting, cutting means taking the pure drug, say a kilo of cocaine that's worth $30,000.
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  All right, a kilo of cocaine is worth a thousand dollars, that's a thousand grams a kilo, and then you cut it with some other material.
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  Now, back in the day, uh cocaine and and heroin and stuff were were cut with uh items that did not pose a greater danger.
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  Like I know for a long time there was uh baby laxative was used, or some kind of um a sugar product or some non-lethal substance was added to the cocaine to make the package bigger.
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  So you have a $30,000 kilo of cocaine and you cut it in half, right?
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  And most times they cut it more than half, but just say they cut it in half with um some other kind of uh numbing agent.
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  There's all kinds of them that are not cocaine, but they cut it with that and they turn it into two.
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  So that $30,000 kilo that they may have paid $20,000 for and would make a $10,000 profit.
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  Now they cut it into two kilos and they're making uh a huge profit, right?
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  So there is uh there was
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  The ability to cut it.
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  Now, when you cut these kind of drugs with fentanyl, which is extremely powerful in the tiniest amount.
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  You take your cocaine and you cut it with some fentanyl.
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  You cut your heroin with fentanyl.
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  You get a lot more drug to sell, and it's still very, very potent.
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  Unfortunately, it can be so potent that someone can die from it the first time that they use it because they're not fentanyl is is deadly.
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  Fentanyl is deadly in very, very small amounts.
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  A couple grains of salt size of fentanyl can kill you.
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  Alright, so if they mix that in, now you have this very, very dangerous chemical out there, and they can cut it many, many, many times a lot more profit.
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  But and they don't care that these young kids, these 19, 20-year-old kids, 17-year-old kids, are gonna try, and we try a little cocaine at the party.
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  Let me try a little crack, let me try a little heroin.
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  Because my friends are all doing it, and it's cool, and it for a while it was it was considered chic.
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  Um what the kids were doing is they were snorting heroin when the big heroin wave started in the uh came back.
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  It big it was big in the 60s, but it wasn't like it was in the uh late 80s, early 90s.
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  These kids were snorting it, thinking that, hey, you know, I'm not using a needle, I don't want a needle, I'll snort it.
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  Well, you get just as addicted to heroin uh by snorting it as you do a shooting it in your arm.
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  And now that they mix in this fentanyl, you're getting these kids, you know, first-time triers dead.
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  Dead.
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  And that's why in in 2020, I think we had a hundred thousand overdose deaths in America.
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  A hundred thousand young people.
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  I know some of them.
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  I knew some of these kids as little kids.
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  I've told the story uh in the past where uh my son, my my oldest went to uh a Catholic school for grammar school, and all the boys and girls were friends with each other, they grew up together, they're in the same grades together.
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  And then these kids started getting into the high school age, and that's when the kids started, you know, trying experimenting with drugs.
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  Not all of them, but some of them did.
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  And this one young man got ended up getting hooked up on heroin.
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  He tried heroin.
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  Next thing you know, he's a heroin addict, and he got a hot load with some fentanyl, and he died.
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  Gone.
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  Gone.
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  His parents lost him, his brother and sisters lost him, uh, all his friends lost him.
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  So the whole idea here, in this thought that, yes, it does come in lots of different ways, but we must protect our country and our people at all costs.
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  So let me let me continue with more which what she said.
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  So an analogy I made in my program that she was emailing me about was, you know, if if uh a criminal came in your house to hurt your family, you would do whatever you have to do to protect your family.
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  And if that meant uh the showing violence to this person who's breaking into your home, well then that's what you'd have to do.
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  And she said, and my analogy repeated several times in my show, that murdering people a thousand miles away with no legal justification is the same as killing a home invader, is just silly.
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  A more accurate analogy would be the indiscriminate killing of local drug dealers.
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  And she asks if that's what I'm in uh in flavor in uh favor of.
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  And it said it's pure bloodlust by people who have no qualifications to lead our country.
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  So I think as you start to pick apart part somebody's words, it's clear she must be on the left, because the you know, by led by people who have have no qualifications to lead our country.
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  Obviously, that would be she's talking about President Trump and uh Secretary of War Hegseth.
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  So she's an anti uh Republican, she's probably a liberal, probably a very nice lady, and I'm very, very glad she wrote to me.
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  It's a conversation.
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  But as I look through this, um, my analogy uh is not murdering people a thousand miles away.
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  You're not murdering people a thousand miles away.
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  You're stopping the drugs from getting to our shores to kill people.
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  We have told them to stop sending the drugs.
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  They keep sending the drugs because there's a financial incentive.
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  Uh the Maduro regime in Venezuela is a is a narcotic terrorist group.
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  They sell drugs and that's how they make money.
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  They don't care how many Americans die.
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  They're gonna keep sending it to get the money.
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  So when I said that, uh, she says, you know, oh, that's that's a silly analogy.
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  Um it'd be better than saying just killing local drug dealers.
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  Well, the reality is that's not true.
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  I told you I was a detective for many years.
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  We didn't just go out and kill the drug dealers.
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  There were there were in America, therefore they do have due process rights.
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  They do have a right to uh be tried and held to account and held to justice, and that's what we did.
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  And I think we need to do that very, very aggressively.
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  Uh to make sure that we we stop people from selling these drugs and we don't make them legal.
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  Um bloodlust, it's a blood no, it's not a bloodlust.
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  The president of the United States, Donald Trump, is doing what he can to protect the people of America.
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  That is his responsibility.
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  Those people in those boats are engaging in criminal activity, sure, on a bigger scale, but they're also they're they're attacking America by bringing those things here.
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  So therefore, stopping them in international waters is legitimate.
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  So that's the justification.
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  You know, oh, there's no justification.
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  Well, there is justification to stop them from bringing here so that we don't have dead Americans, right?
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  That's the justification.
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  Um, and you may not like that we're doing that, and I understand that people don't like it, but if we look at it, um we use the United States military when we found out where bin Laden was, the international terrorist who used uh violence against America in the 9-11 attacks, we searched for him for years, spent billions of dollars, uh, and when we found out where he was in Pakistan, we sent the military into a sovereign nation, Pakistan, into the man's home, and they eliminated him on site.
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  They didn't arrest him, they didn't bring him to trial, they didn't give him his Miranda rights in Pakistan.
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  They went in and they removed him.
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  They removed the threat that he had uh posed to America for uh another potential attack, and they held him to account for what he did to America.
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  This is exactly the same situation, only this is not uh bombs and airplanes into buildings.
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  This is drugs coming into our country that kill American citizens.
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  We've told them to stop.
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  They won't stop doing it.
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  Well, we've told the terrorists to stop attacking us, but do they stop?
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  No.
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  So what do we do?
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  We go find them and we eliminate them.
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  We just flew into Iran because they posed a threat to the United States of America, and we used our military to bomb their facilities and kill some of their people uh into oblivion because it was a threat to the United States.
• 27:07
  Well, these drugs are a threat to the United States.
• 27:11
  We see where they're coming from, whether the boats are pointed in our direction or not.
• 27:16
  We know they're transferring narcotics all over the place, and a lot of it is ending up in the United States, and therefore it is the president's responsibility to stop that from happening.
• 27:27
  And he's doing it by blowing the boats up out of the water.
• 27:30
  Now, could it end up being more than that in the future?
• 27:34
  It might be.
• 27:35
  It might be.
• 27:35
  But the bottom line is uh there's different ways of handling international things.
• 27:39
  They don't get due process rights when they're in international waters.
• 27:43
  Right?
• 27:43
  This is not the not every place is America.
• 27:45
  Stop them and arrest them.
• 27:46
  We're not going to arrest them uh in the Caribbean, bring them here for a trial, right?
• 27:51
  We're gonna be much much stronger in our response.
• 27:54
  So I want to thank this lady for writing to me.
• 27:56
  And I do appreciate that she's out there, and I hope she continues to write, like all of you.
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• 30:19
  All right, everybody, welcome back.
• 30:21
  I appreciate it.
• 30:22
  So my producer here said, hey, don't forget, give out your email address.
• 30:26
  I would like people to write and uh tell me what they think about what we talk about here, suggest topics, uh anything.
• 30:34
  That's that's part of the conversation, right?
• 30:36
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• 30:45
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• 30:46
  That's how you get to me here.
• 30:47
  You can send me an email, tell me you agree with me, disagree with me, uh, give me ideas, what things you want to talk about, give me your opinions.
• 30:53
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• 30:54
  That's that's what back and forth conversation is.
• 30:57
  All right.
• 30:58
  So we talked about the drug boats.
• 31:03
  And let's let's continue to talk about something in this line.
• 31:08
  And I think I'm gonna have the panel on for very, very soon.
• 31:13
  I think I'm gonna get them on and discuss um some of the some of the violence that we're seeing in the world.
• 31:20
  But you know, for one of the things that I do is threat assessments.
• 31:24
  I go around and I do threat assessments for schools, businesses, religious facilities, camps, all kinds of things.
• 31:29
  I go and I look at their facilities, and I look at their security equipment.
• 31:34
  I look at their security personnel, I look at the training.
• 31:37
  I look at all the things that that they have in place to try and protect them uh from violence.
• 31:43
  And recently we have seen uh some active shooter incidents at the University of Tennessee, and then we just had Brown uh in Rhode Island, University of uh uh Brown University in Rhode Island, where two people were killed, and many, many more were injured by an active shooter uh who went in for whatever reason.
• 32:05
  As of this moment, they still have not captured this person.
• 32:09
  Uh and then, of course, we had the horrific uh Hanukkah attack on Bondi Beach in uh Australia, where some anti-Semitic looks like they're radical Islamists, father and son team attacked people having a Hanukkah celebration, uh started shooting at them with uh the reports they have multiple guns, multiple weapons, and the number goes back and forth, but we're told 15 to 16 people were killed, and that there's another 30 or 40 who are in very serious condition in hospitals.
• 32:44
  And we we have to look at the violence that's going on, and we're gonna we're gonna talk about that more at length.
• 32:48
  That's why I want to have the panel in, because they they have a lot of good thoughts on different things, and it's good to get different points of view, just like I'd like to get your point of view, your opinion.
• 32:58
  So, one of the things that let's look at at these violence, this American phenomenon of active shooters.
• 33:07
  Now, we do see them in other parts of the world, but certainly not to the degree that we have here.
• 33:12
  We're seeing attacks on churches, we're seeing attacks on these schools, and and how we're responding to it.
• 33:19
  So, one of the things that I see all the time, I see this all the time.
• 33:24
  People do not call me to come out and train their staff.
• 33:29
  They don't call me to do an assessment of their facilities, their equipment, their planning, their training, all that stuff, until there is some kind of an event.
• 33:38
  When an event takes place, that's when I'll get the phone call.
• 33:42
  Uh, hey, Joe, can you come out and take a look at our facility at our building, at our school, our business, our church?
• 33:49
  Are we safe?
• 33:51
  And then I go out there, and in many cases, what I find is that they're not safe.
• 33:57
  Uh I think there's this statistic out there that says that 69% of businesses do little to nothing to protect themselves from acts of violence.
• 34:09
  So I do workplace violence programs as well as active shooter programs, but the reality is you have to see, you know, what what do you do?
• 34:20
  If you if I look at it from the point of view of a person who wants to hurt you, what would they do if they wanted to come in and hurt you and your people?
• 34:30
  How would they get to your building?
• 34:31
  How would they get into your building?
• 34:33
  Where could they go once they got in the building?
• 34:36
  Uh, and what what are your staff and everybody trained to do if they find themselves in the middle of a situation where there is violence?
• 34:44
  Are they prepared to respond to the violence?
• 34:47
  Do they have places to hide?
• 34:48
  Do they have things to do that they can try and protect themselves, right?
• 34:52
  And we find a lot of places don't.
• 34:54
  So we're seeing at Brown University.
• 34:56
  One of the things that uh the we see is that you can get in and out of these buildings very easily because you got students all over the place, right?
• 35:05
  They have to go from one place to another.
• 35:08
  Uh so there's no locks on the doors.
• 35:10
  You simply open a door and step in.
• 35:12
  You're in the next building for your classes or your dorms, or and you come and go.
• 35:16
  Well, this is this is very dangerous in an age of violence.
• 35:21
  Uh our businesses, you just open the door and you step on in.
• 35:24
  You know, it's uh it's dangerous and it's violent.
• 35:27
  So we have to think of, you know, there's a saying that I use, and what I say is to enhance security, you have to give up some convenience.
• 35:38
  Right?
• 35:39
  You can't have both.
• 35:40
  You can't have security and convenience.
• 35:43
  So when I when I look at this, I went to a very, very high-end private university, and they had had a couple of incidents.
• 35:54
  Now you're talking, you know, really high end here.
• 35:57
  I'm not gonna say where it is or what it is, but very, very high-end university, and they had some concerns because they had multiple buildings that were in a uh an urban uh kind of a setting where you're mixed in with your school buildings were also your local stores and people's homes, and you you're in the neighborhood.
• 36:17
  And it was it was a large campus, and they had had some difficulties with people getting into the dorms, and they had some sexual assaults and they had some concerns of violence.
• 36:26
  And I went there and I took a look around.
• 36:28
  And the one of the very first things that I look at when I when I see this is access to the building.
• 36:36
  The key to a secure building is to limit who can get in and how they can get in.
• 36:43
  So that takes a couple of forms.
• 36:46
  One of the first forms that we look at is um in all of these incidents of active shooter events and attacks on our schools and businesses and churches.
• 36:56
  We have to look at what was the method of operation.
• 37:00
  What did the bad person do?
• 37:02
  And in most cases, what they do is they walk up to the front door because that's where we all go.
• 37:09
  They go up to the front door.
• 37:10
  If it's open, they just walk in.
• 37:12
  And now they have access to you and all the people in there, and they can do the damage that they want to do.
• 37:18
  If that front door was locked, okay, now that slows them down.
• 37:23
  And the the key phrase here that I've created that I use, it's the mantra that I use with me and all of my assessors is that in a violent situation, time equals life.
• 37:35
  You may have heard me say that before.
• 37:37
  Time equals life.
• 37:38
  You have to have time to see the danger coming at you.
• 37:42
  You have to have time to react to the danger.
• 37:46
  You have to have time to respond to the violence.
• 37:50
  Um, you know, I I often think about a school, right?
• 37:53
  We think about a school.
• 37:55
  In the morning and the afternoon is very vulnerable times, because our doors are open, kids are coming and going, the teachers are outside, there's a lot there.
• 38:03
  So one of the things we look at is I go in a they go to a school district, and I've done these all across the United States, and they're all very, very similar.
• 38:11
  Um, you go there in the morning, and the teachers are wonderful.
• 38:16
  You know, I one of the things I've come to see is that these teachers, yeah, they might gripe about their job and this, that, and the other thing, and we might disagree with what they're teaching.
• 38:24
  None of that.
• 38:25
  These teachers really love these kids.
• 38:29
  They really do love them, and um, it's evident when you're in the building and you're dealing with them on a day-to-day basis, and you watch how they interact with the kids.
• 38:39
  It's really amazing.
• 38:40
  But the reality is, once you get into that building, now now you can do damage.
• 38:46
  So what we have to do is stop the person from getting in, or at least slow them down so we have time to react.
• 38:54
  So in the morning and the afternoon, I see this everywhere.
• 38:58
  Um the teachers are all there, and they're having conversations with each other, they're talking about their weekend, they're talking about what they're doing that night, they're talking about their classes, uh, their kibitsin, they're drinking their cups of coffee, and you know, they're watching the kids as the kids get off the buses or get on the buses, either way.
• 39:15
  But many times they are bunched up together around the front door or very, very spread out very, very little bit.
• 39:25
  They're all right there.
• 39:26
  Um, and uh oftentimes you got these buses, you know, there's lots of buses in big districts.
• 39:31
  They s they go either direction from that front door, you know, many numbers of buses, sometimes two rows, three rows, and there's nobody stationed at the edges of those buses.
• 39:44
  There's nobody watching.
• 39:46
  So if a person was to do, have be of a mind to do something bad, all they can do is walk up to them buses, they're pretty much out of sight for the most time until they come around a corner, and then it's too late.
• 39:58
  By the time they get around that corner.
• 40:00
  Your time, uh, your time to react is limited, and now everyone is at the mercy of this this person who may have intent to do very bad things.
• 40:09
  So, what I tell people is you have to spread your people out.
• 40:14
  You have to spread them out uh to the farthest point where they can see approaching danger, and that's the concept.
• 40:23
  You want to see this approaching danger.
• 40:25
  You want to see it coming at you.
• 40:27
  And then I I say to all of them in my recommendations, is that any of your personnel that are outside should be wearing some kind of a uh a vest.
• 40:38
  Usually, you know, those bright traffic vests, that's really good.
• 40:42
  And they should have a radio.
• 40:44
  A radio is very fast communications.
• 40:46
  Um I see a lot of places count on their cell phones.
• 40:50
  Uh our teachers use their cell phones, and uh, if they saw danger, they would call and tell it.
• 40:55
  Well, if you're standing at the end of the bus line and you see somebody with a rifle coming towards you, you're not going to dial the phone properly.
• 41:02
  You're not going to be able to make a phone call, a radio.
• 41:05
  You click the button, you say, danger, danger, everybody.
• 41:09
  There's a person with a weapon over here.
• 41:11
  Everybody knows what that means, and then you take action.
• 41:14
  What action do you take?
• 41:15
  Whatever you've practiced.
• 41:17
  Do you get the kids on the buses?
• 41:18
  Do you put them back in the school?
• 41:20
  Do they flee away?
• 41:21
  Whatever plan you come up with, that's when you put that plan into action.
• 41:26
  So putting people in a position to see approaching danger is very important.
• 41:33
  Why a traffic vest?
• 41:35
  A traffic vest is a visual cue to people in the area, including bad people, that as they approach this facility, they see lots of people out here with these bright vests on, which means there's somebody in official capacity there.
• 41:52
  Are they security?
• 41:53
  Are they police?
• 41:54
  Are they I don't know, but there's lots of them.
• 41:57
  They have radios, therefore, the chances of getting caught or being thwarted goes up.
• 42:04
  And the whole idea here is that that bad person would move on when they saw that from that visual cue that there's a lot of people out here watching.
• 42:13
  They're not going to get the drop on you, so to speak.
• 42:16
  All right, they're not going to get the drop on you because they see so many people around here and they have radios to respond.
• 42:21
  So that is an important concept of paying attention in the morning and the afternoon.
• 42:28
  Anytime you're outside, you should have a radio because that's immediate uh conversation.
• 42:34
  Right.
• 42:35
  So that's something that I tell everybody.
• 42:37
  The other thing we want to keep in mind is limiting, limiting who can get in and out of the building.
• 42:45
  You know, how many points of entry do you allow?
• 42:49
  So I've seen many schools where they have uh lots and lots of students coming and they open all the doors.
• 42:56
  They unlock them.
• 42:57
  Uh security goes around or uh custodians go around and they unlock all the doors ten minutes before the kids are supposed to arrive.
• 43:05
  So the kids you can handle this mass influx of students into the building.
• 43:11
  Once they're all in, then they relock the doors.
• 43:13
  And that's a good that's a good practice.
• 43:16
  Uh and it's it's practical, especially if you have many, many, many students to get in.
• 43:22
  But the reality is when you have that many points of entry, you have got to have eyeballs on every single point of entry, right?
• 43:30
  Because you have to see the danger approaching.
• 43:32
  You have to pay attention.
• 43:34
  So limiting the number of uh points of entry allows you to put more personnel in the area, you know, utilize your personnel better.
• 43:45
  Uh, everybody has radios, and you can see who's coming, you can see what's going on, and you limit where they go, right?
• 43:50
  Not all the doors are open.
• 43:52
  When you have that many open doors, the chances of somebody slipping in goes way up.
• 43:58
  And I've seen this, I've seen this many, many times.
• 44:02
  We do um penetration testing.
• 44:05
  All right, so one of the things that we do is I send um role-playing actors up to the doors to see if they can get into the building.
• 44:16
  Now, in our schools, many of our schools, you have students that if they see another student-aged person at the door, even if they don't know them and they bang on the door, some student will open the door and let that kid in.
• 44:30
  All right, so we we have a uh we had a girl working in our company, um, and she was 30 years old.
• 44:37
  But I'm telling you, with a backpack and a hoodie, she looked 16.
• 44:41
  No doubt about it.
• 44:43
  And we sent her up to the door, like uh school was because school was going on, it was classes were going on, it's about 9:30, and we sent her up to various doors in this high school and had her bang on the door.
• 44:55
  Well, almost every single time a student opened the door and let her in.
• 45:01
  They didn't even know who she was.
• 45:02
  She wasn't a student there, but they didn't know.
• 45:04
  It was just another kid trying to get in, so open the door, right?
• 45:07
  We even had an instance where she banged on the door and a security guard saw her.
• 45:14
  And these kids in this district were supposed to wear uh ID.
• 45:18
  They had a lanyard, right, that they're supposed to wear with their ID on it.
• 45:22
  And this security guard opens this door for a girl he doesn't know.
• 45:26
  Uh she doesn't have ID, and he says, Well, where's your ID?
• 45:31
  So I left at home, and he goes, 'All right, well, go ahead.
• 45:33
  Uh, but make sure you wear it tomorrow.
• 45:36
  And let's her in the building and in the door she goes.' And this is very common.
• 45:40
  This is very common.
• 45:41
  So when I see Brown University, some of the complaints that I saw the students making was that they apparently they they have no, they have no way to stop people from going in and out of the buildings, the various buildings.
• 45:57
  So the students are asking for swipe cards.
• 46:00
  I had swipe cards or a little plastic card, uh, and it's it's given to you, and it's got your name, your stuff information encoded on it, like an ATM card.
• 46:10
  And you go up to a card reader at the door and you swipe it, and therefore it recognizes you and it logs who you are, the time that you're coming in, and it unlocks the door.
• 46:22
  This is uh this is a good step forward, uh, these kind of things.
• 46:27
  Now, are they expensive?
• 46:29
  They are.
• 46:29
  These things are expensive, but if there's any violence in your school or your business or your church, there's gonna be lawsuits.
• 46:39
  People are gonna sue when it's all over.
• 46:41
  And when it gets to court, one of the first things the courts are going to ask of you, the business owner or the school district uh officials or whatever, church officials, they're gonna say, could you have imagined this happening in this day and age?
• 46:57
  And of course, we all know our answer has got to be yes, we all know this can happen.
• 47:01
  We're seeing it every day.
• 47:03
  And they're gonna say, What'd you do about it?
• 47:06
  Well, it was too expensive to get a threat assessment, it's too expensive to get equipment, it was too expensive for training.
• 47:11
  You are just gonna add zeros to the checks that you're going to have to write because it's going to be absurdly expensive when they look back at it.
• 47:22
  So an uh an assessment is relatively inexpensive.
• 47:28
  It's not cheap, and there are lots of companies that do them, and some do them very poorly, some do them very well.
• 47:35
  You have local police that can do them sometimes for you for free in many, many cases.
• 47:40
  The local police will do it, but you just got to see you know how much were they trained, how much experience do they have.
• 47:46
  And an important factor is how much time do they have to devote to it.
• 47:50
  If you have a larger agency with lots of officers and they can dedicate someone to do just this, then they could be very good at it.
• 47:57
  And if they're gonna do it for free, by all means, take it.
• 48:00
  Uh if that's all you can get, that's all you can afford, take it.
• 48:03
  You should have some kind of an assessment to look at everything you got going on at your building.
• 48:09
  Uh, same for businesses.
• 48:10
  You know, I get calls from some very high-end businesses, and they've had some kind of an incident, and they want me to come out and take a look, and I do the same thing.
• 48:17
  We do penetration testing, uh, I show up and I like to take a look, uh, how many points of entry, who can get in, what does the security officers know, that kind of thing.
• 48:28
  Um, if we can limit our doors, let me let me talk to you specifically about something that in many of these cases that we've seen could have been done and should be done at all the facilities where you go or your kids go, where you worship, all that kind of stuff.
• 48:46
  We find that since many of these killers go to the front door or to one of the main doors to try and get in.
• 48:53
  If that door is locked, you've done the right thing, you've locked the door, right?
• 48:58
  So that nobody can just walk in.
• 49:01
  Well, what we find in these instances is that the next step that these killers take is either they leave because they can't get in, or they break the glass of the door to get in.
• 49:14
  They either shoot rounds, bullet rounds through it, which drops the glass immediately, or they kick it, hit it with some kind of a blunt object, a hammer, a hatchet, something or other to drop the glass, and then they get in.
• 49:28
  So in the Sandy Hook school shooting, uh, we saw that the killer walked up to the school, the school was locked, the doors were locked, they did the right things, but the glass was unprotected.
• 49:40
  And what happens is uh he fired a couple of rounds from this rifle that he had, the glass dropped immediately, and he stepped into the school.
• 49:48
  So it was really the lock door was great, but it didn't really keep out a person who is intent on doing violence because the glass just dropped and he stepped right in, and of course, we know what happened there.
• 50:00
  I we saw it at the uh the school in Nashville, the uh the Nashville Covenant School.
• 50:06
  There's videos on the internet you can see of they did the right thing.
• 50:10
  They had a lot of equipment in place, people were trained, they did uh they did the right kind of drills.
• 50:16
  And we see these vestibules, vestibules are very good.
• 50:20
  Why do I like vestibules?
• 50:21
  Because it gives you two chances to slow somebody down or stop them, right?
• 50:26
  If they if they're on the outside of the building and they get into the first part of the vestibule and it's protected, then they have to get through the second part, right?
• 50:33
  And it gives you more time to react.
• 50:35
  Well, in the Covenant School shooting, we saw the video from inside the building looking at the vestibule.
• 50:42
  And the shooter showed up, the door was locked, and just fired a couple of rounds through the vestibule, and both sets of glass dropped to the ground, and the shooter just stepped right in and went in and of course committed a lot of damage and killed a lot of people, children included.
• 50:59
  So locking the door, controlling the entry points are important, but what do we do after that?
• 51:04
  How do you protect that glass?
• 51:07
  Well, this is one of the first things I tell people that if you're going to invest in something, the biggest bang for your buck can certainly be this safety film that you can put on your glass.
• 51:22
  Now, safety film uh is clear in most cases, it's crystal clear.
• 51:27
  It's applied to the door and window glass.
• 51:31
  Uh there's a a special kind of um like a caulk that they put around the outside of it uh where they put this film on your on your glass, and it adheres to the metal frame of the door.
• 51:45
  And what happens is you can still shoot through it.
• 51:48
  Bullets will go through this safety film, but the glass doesn't shatter and fall to the ground.
• 51:54
  So therefore it provides a couple of things.
• 51:57
  Number one, uh somebody shooting through it, they're not immediately getting in.
• 52:01
  You're gonna notice that somebody is bashing on the glass or they're shooting through the glass.
• 52:06
  You're gonna have time to react, right?
• 52:08
  Time equals life.
• 52:11
  So this is inexpensive.
• 52:13
  And I started searching around because I have clients all over the place, and they say to me, okay, well, what's the best kind?
• 52:21
  I look, there's all kinds of different uh safety film out there we can put on.
• 52:25
  What do we do?
• 52:26
  And there are.
• 52:27
  There's lots and lots of different kinds that are all very good.
• 52:30
  You need to do your research.
• 52:32
  You need to find somebody who can tell you what's a good kind and what kind do you need.
• 52:40
  Uh I've seen some of them, they make uh this safety uh film, and it's mag it's got like a mirror on one side.
• 52:49
  So people outside cannot see in to the building, but people inside can see out.
• 52:54
  That's very good, right?
• 52:55
  Uh, because that provides more of a deterrent.
• 52:57
  They can't see where you are inside the building.
• 53:00
  Um, I've seen some that has logos, like the school logo or the business logo on it, so when you're walking up, it looks nice.
• 53:07
  And then I found uh this particular kind of uh material that by the push of a button, you can frost over the glass where you can't see in, but the rest of the time it's crystal clear.
• 53:21
  And you know, I I have nothing to do with this company other than I found them, but I find it so valuable that I want to tell you about it.
• 53:30
  And the company is known as Smart Tint.
• 53:34
  Smart Tint.
• 53:36
  Uh, and they also uh they're on the uh on the internet, SmartTint.com, and they're also riot.com.
• 53:45
  Uh amazing.
• 53:46
  All right, there's a guy that runs this, uh came to one of my programs.
• 53:50
  Um we were talking, and I told him how much I appreciated the safety uh film and found out that he had these companies, Riot Tint and Smart Tint, and uh his name is Dan Singer, and he's just a really decent man.
• 54:03
  He will answer your questions, look them up.
• 54:05
  Um he can point you in the right direction and give you all the information you need to know.
• 54:09
  This is your one of your first things to do.
• 54:11
  It is relatively inexpensive, and I use that uh sparingly.
• 54:17
  Is there's lots of things you can buy for thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars.
• 54:21
  Um and this safety film is relatively inexpensive for the protection that it affords you.
• 54:29
  I tell every one of my clients, businesses, schools, religious facilities, you have to protect that glass because we have to slow people down from getting in to hurt us.
• 54:40
  So when we heard at Brown University, uh they were saying that the kids wanted swipe cards because you can just walk into any building.
• 54:49
  I agree with that a hundred percent.
• 54:51
  And the cameras, apparently, we don't have very good video of whoever this shooter was as of this moment, and it and they said, well, we don't have enough cameras.
• 55:00
  We need to get more cameras.
• 55:02
  Well, how many cameras are enough?
• 55:03
  Well, I can tell you.
• 55:04
  When I do an assessment, I look at where you need to put cameras.
• 55:08
  How many do you need to have?
• 55:10
  There's grant money out there to help you get money from the government and other agencies that can help you get money to put safety equipment in your school, your religious facility, or your uh business, right?
• 55:24
  So these things we can do, uh, because this stuff is not coming to an end.
• 55:29
  It is going to continue to uh cause damage and carnage and death and loss of life.
• 55:37
  And it's something that we all need to be proactive about.
• 55:40
  And I say this all the time.
• 55:41
  People do not call me until there's an incident.
• 55:45
  So in the last couple of days, we've had this attack at uh Brown University, we had Tennessee a week or so ago, and now we've had these attacks uh in Australia, and even though it's a world away, uh think we can't have something like that here.
• 56:00
  Uh we we've had people run people down with cars, shoot people, all kinds of things are going on out there.
• 56:06
  So I would ask you to go to your school and say, hey, have we had an assessment?
• 56:13
  When is the last time we had an assessment?
• 56:16
  Have we ever put in for grant money so that we could uh you know get help putting this stuff in place?
• 56:22
  Go to your business, talk to your supervisors.
• 56:25
  Have we had de-escalation training, right?
• 56:28
  I teach de-escalation training.
• 56:29
  I was a hostage crisis negotiator.
• 56:31
  So I created programs for people.
• 56:33
  You know, an active shooter, you're not gonna de-escalate.
• 56:37
  But everybody else in workplace violence scenarios, you can de-escalate them, right?
• 56:42
  In most cases, if you know what you're doing.
• 56:44
  Does your company provide that?
• 56:46
  Does your church provide that?
• 56:47
  Does your school provide that to the teachers, right?
• 56:51
  And for your religious facilities.
• 56:53
  I just got done doing uh two assessments in the last couple of weeks for two religious facilities.
• 57:00
  And you know, a church is unique.
• 57:03
  It's open.
• 57:03
  We gotta let people in and out, but they have to be more secure.
• 57:06
  And I I gave them my my list of recommendations, and I'm very happy to say that they've done most of them already, and that means limiting where people come in, getting eyeballs on what's going on, and training their staff.
• 57:19
  So all of these things that we see happening, all of this violence that's going on out there, we can take proactive steps to help protect ourselves.
• 57:28
  All right.
• 57:29
  So listen, J Pangaro at America Out Loud dot news.
• 57:35
  Uh reach out to me, I can put you in the right direction.
• 57:38
  Let's make ourselves safer, and let's enjoy our lives.
• 57:42
  We don't have to worry about somebody coming to hurt us.
• 57:44
  Uh remember, be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem.
• 57:47
  My friends, we'll see you down the road.