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Has the Men's Movement Run Out of Steam? The Lotus Eaters Think So! | Maintaining Frame 71 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian Allison,
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  and this is maintaining frame number seventy one. We're gonna be talking about
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  a couple of things, but one of them is a Lotus Eaters video went
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  up about two weeks ago. Unfortunately we can get around to it till now
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  that I think we should address and I want to say for the record,
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  the Lotus Eaters is a channel that I subscribe to and I usually like what
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  they have to say. But I think that when it comes to men and
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  women, there is a blind spot, as to be expected from most people
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  who haven't been doing this for as long as I have, or Allison has,
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  or Karen Has or Hannah Has or doctor Rando mccam has, that there
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  is going to be that blind spot. So we're gonna see how big the
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  blind spot is. Because apparently there is an assertion that the men's movement is
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  all out of steam, it's dying, it's it's not succeeding, what's not
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  making progress, whatever it is. So we'll get into that in a moment,
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  but I would love to address that. Yeah, I definitely address it.
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  Yeah, but yeah, we'll address the things, and then I want
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  to talk a little bit about your Twitter, oh my adventures in Twitter escapades,
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  Yeah, that's the way that you pronounce that, like a little little maybe
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  like a little flute, Yeah, like a late I don't think you know
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  if you want to respond really critically and in a vehement fashion to something you
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  disagree with. Once again, let's feed the badgeer dot com slash just the
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  tip as to my Twitter adventures. Okay, so, for some reason I
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  got tagged in this discussion with I guess, a coffee shop feminist, and
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  so we were going back and forth because she she sort of she sort of
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  lumped Cassie Jay in with Andrew Tate and Pearl. And while I don't necessarily
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  disagree with everything that Andrew Tate and Pearl said, so I'm not throwing them
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  under the bus. I do think that there's a categorical difference between Cassie J
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  and them. I think that they are they occupy a very different ecological niche
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  of the gender sphere, shall we say, And I would say that Cassie
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  J's a niche is much more defined by not thinking that oppression really relates to
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  the relationship between the sexes. In other words, the oppression narrative doesn't really
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  make sense either women oppressing men or men oppressing women, Whereas I think that
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  agitators like Andrew Tate and Pearl are much closer to the idea that women hold
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  a large amount of social power over men, which I don't think is inaccurate
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  to assert, and that therefore women could be seen as oppressing men. And
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  so I got into this back and forth with this with this feminist and I
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  said, well, you know, like if you're going to have I'm going
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  to imagine we have a table, like we have like a a round table,
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  right, like like the Sir Arthur ConL On. Yeah, okay,
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  so we have we have this table, and if we're going to have the
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  position that men oppressed women. And incidentally, she went back and forth about
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  how she says, oh, I don't think that feminists think all men benefit
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  from the patriarch and like, nobody actually argued that feminists believe that all men
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  are a benefit from patriarchy. What we've argued is that feminists believe that men
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  are more to blame for the patriarchal system, and that patriarchal system benefits them
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  at the expense of women, and also men oppressed women. And then further
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  down the stream of ship from that that is, men hate women and want
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  to kill them and grape and report them to to establish their dominance. But
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  but we're just talking about the wellhead of efila, which is men men are
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  primarily to billime for a society that privileges them over women. Now that's the
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  feminist position, and the feminist position has been the only position at the table
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  for how many generations now, three or four? Okay, So at some
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  point we popped up and I don't even know if we have a seat at
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  the table, and so much as we're standing beside it, uh you know,
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  with with a like like a major D, with like a a a
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  rag and not a rag like a towel cleaning up the feminist mess So we're
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  just there and we're just pointing out, Hey, do you notice they all
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  all these things that just fall into the crack of your theory, like male
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  victims of domestic violence and rape, you know, male victims of war,
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  male victims of false accusations, the problems with the with how we approach a
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  male victimization, and also the family, and do you know, do you
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  notice all of the messes that you're leaving behind when it comes to men?
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  And a few of us are like you notice the messages you're leaving behind when
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  it comes to women, and and the feminists have just been like, yeah,
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  fuck you, you're a bunch of misogynists. How dare you ask about,
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  you know, feminism, saying it's for men and women, and why
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  we never actually address men's issues, and like the example I'd like to give
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  is of our position. Well, you know, I can't really speak to
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  you, Brian, but I speak for myself and you can decide whether or
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  not this is this is something that you agree with. I mean, I
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  would say my position is very much encapsulated by what I said at the Calgary
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  Expo for well, there is you don't know. I went to the Calgary
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  Expo in twenty fifteen. I attended a panel with a bunch of feminists.
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  The feminists at the panel said, why can't we have a discussion with these
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  men's rights activists? And I stood up and said, I'm a men's rights
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  activist. Would you like to have a discussion with me? Her dirt BIDRP.
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  And then I explained why I didn't like feminism, and I said it
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  because it defines women as victims and it doesn't look at the situation for men,
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  so it doesn't look at how men are harmed light and you know,
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  it seemed like we had a nice back and forth, and then I got
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  kicked out. The next day, I got kicked out, banned from that
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  convention and every convention that that company put on, which was most of them
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  in Western Canada, and then we got stocked by some of the convention organizers
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  and swatted. Luckily, the cop who came by was extremely reasonable and realized
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  we were absolutely no threat. So that's the feminist response to that criticism,
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  which was just, hey, I don't think that oppression really makes sense in
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  the context of the relationship between men and women. So that's sort of where
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  I am, and I think a lot of my fellow travelers are. It's
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  just in that position that maybe oppression just sort of, you know, just
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  muddies the waters, and maybe we shouldn't talk we shouldn't look at men oppressing
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  women since that's the big thing. Women oppressing men has not been a big
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  thing, so we haven't really talked about that a lot. But anyway,
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  maybe oppression isn't the right way to frame the relationship between the genders historically or
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  currently. That's where I am at. That was the basis of my criticism
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  of feminism, and of course they hit me with a hammer for it.
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  And now what we're seeing you know, you just you can just hear the
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  thunder, like the footsteps and the distance of something huge, right, Yeah,
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  what we're hearing is there's something new coming to the table, you know.
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  Andrew take Pearl and all of their fellow travelers and what they have to
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  say, which is much more in line with the idea that women oppress men.
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  And I'm like, you know, I'm looking at them thundering through like
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  this gigantic force coming to the table, and the feminists look shitting themselves,
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  of course, and I'm thinking, you sort of deserve this, feminists,
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  you know, you deserve to see the mirror darkly. You deserve to see
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  yourself in reverse, you know, and you deserve to have to contend with
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  that, because God, you really, look at how you responded to a
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  reasonable critique of feminism. Now enjoy an unreasonable critique. Well, what I
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  would consider to be unreasonable. Maybe that's the wrong way to frame it,
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  simplified and one dimensional, but nevertheless valid, because if there's going to be
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  feminism the table, then there should be all of the people who think that
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  women oppress men at the table. I'm happy. I'm fine with that,
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  you know what, I'm fine with that I can see both positions. I
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  disagree with both. I think they both should be at the table. And
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  as society contends with both of those positions, maybe maybe the position that oppression
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  isn't the right way to frame the position, you know, the relationship be
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  due to the genders. Maybe that position will start to look more attractive,
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  unless, like you want to hit it with a hammer. So you know,
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  I wash my hands of all of it. Anyway, See the film
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  that's always argue with did not understand my point in the slightest Well, yeah,
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  I was just gonna say that. I think that there is a simple
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  reason as to why this feminist and probably all feminists would make the terrible miscalculation
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  in lumping someone like Cassie Jay in with someone like a da or Pearl.
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  It's basically the same reason they lump Jordan Peterson in with er Tate and Pearl.
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  It's because they don't agree with them, and they're just gonna lump everybody
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  under the same umbrella and call them all misogynists and no amount of nuance is
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  going to change that. That's why they're doing it. It's so it's like
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  you're dealing You're dealing with people who are just playing hostile unless you agree,
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  and not just agree with them, but you have to agree, and you
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  have to supplicate to them. You have to get down and prostrate yourself because
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  there's only one answer and they have it. There's there. I mean,
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  that's just that's just the way it is. Like when you told me,
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  Oh, they're saying that she's just like Cassie j is just like Pearl and
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  entertain It's like, yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, that's what
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  they do. Yeah what do yeah, I know, I mean yeah,
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  so like I know that there is some and I will say in defense I
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  don't know about Take because I don't really watch his content much. But in
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  defense of Pearl, I think that her point is my point would be,
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  which is it's not necessary. I don't think Pearl would say that women oppressed
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  men. I wouldn't say that, but I would say that there are systemic
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  things in place that women can use to destroy men, and the fact that
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  those things exist is the problem. Like this is this is the reason why,
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  for example, we're gonna be talking about the low de seaters, but
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  not not this video. There was another video that I think, like the
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  Distributists was on I don't watch him, but I've I've heard of him before,
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  and he was saying he was basically talking about how, you know,
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  men, just here's some stuff that you need so you can like find a
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  woman. And they were just putting it out there, and I was like,
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  this is useless, Like they're all kinds of dating advice can be found.
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  None of that matters. If a woman can just destroy a man with
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  the law, and she can just use the state to ruin him, if
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  she can just take his kids from him, if she can make him pay
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  for a child that doesn't belong to him, that is not his, all
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  of these none of these other things about picking up women matters. If there's
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  all this all of this legal, you know, political stuff that can be
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  weaponized against men, you don't even like they're a miktoo, right. They
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  go like full on monk mode and they're like, well, I'm not you
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  can still be accused by a woman. Have you guys not been paying attention?
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  People who have never met women have been accused by women. I mean
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  Mark Pearson was accused by Sawad for Es. I can say that because I'm
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  in the States, who was like an actress on Game of thrones of sexual
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  assault in a public place in a context that was literally impossible, and he
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  still had to go through the ringer. So, like, the issue is
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  that no amount of game, no amount of riz is going to save you.
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  The problems are primarily they are legal, political, and systemic, and
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  anyone Cassie j Well, Jordan Peterson completely reasonable people can like bring up cases.
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  They can even be feminist in they're all right, Peterson is pretty feminist
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  in a lot of ways, definitely a ganocentric, right, but he's still
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  the enemy because he's not pure enough. So there's like no amount, no
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  amount of nuance is gonna save you, because these people have decided you're the
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  enemy and that's it. You're just gonna get Like why do they even why
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  do they even demonize people like Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan and Andrew Tait to
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  begin with, despite the fact that those three men I'm just giving three examples
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  have very little, if anything in common at all. It's because they're all
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  men outside of the approved list of people, and so they're all monsters.
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  They've been put into black categories partly because they're men, partly because they're straights,
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  partly because they're cis, but mostly because they're men who disagree with them,
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  and now they can just connect anyone they want to those people. That's
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  how it works. That's it's just you're just you're not dealing with logic,
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  You're just dealing with a machine that just makes hatred. And so I completely
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  support the stuff that Pearl does because she just you know, what she's saying.
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  I don't disagree with. I think it's true. I think there are
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  systemic things that affect men. I think that women, whether they want to
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  or not, can use it. And I think there's a lot of reasons
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  why this makes the current like say, landscape of relationships and marriage and family
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  and children completely like unusable. And the feminists don't even know the consequences of
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  what they're supporting, Like they literally don't know what the damage is going to
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  be because they're so caught up in their own I don't know, reflection that
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  they can't see like the long term effects, and they don't really I think
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  that a lot of them don't even care about what the long term effects are.
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  They're they're they're not just really simple. They're they're nihilist, and it's
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  really simple. Whatever you define as being in opposition to women will eventually be
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  destroyed by men. Yeah, if you say our society is an opposition to
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  women in eventually it will be destroyed by men. It may not even be
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  physically destroyed. Men may just simply cease to invest in it and move on.
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  Yea, because you've just told them that it's immoral in a way that
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  strikes down deepest to the deepest heart of our sense of morality. Why would
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  they continue to pledge allegiance to something like that, Why would they continue to
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  keep running it? Why would they continue to see that their actions in creating
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  a society that is apparently a horrible, oppressive patriarchy is good answers, They
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  don't, and they're going to stop because you told them too. Like feminists
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  are literally saying men stop making this society, and men are going to stop,
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  and then feminists are gonna be like, well, why did you stop
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  men? I was like, because you told them to the paradoxes, Yeah,
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  okay, but you're okay. My point is that they deserve a movement
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  of people. And I don't necessarily agree with everything Pearl has said, because
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  I have followed her on Twitter and some of that stuff is. I'm like,
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  yeah, boy, you you love throwing rocks at hornets, And I
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  think that's what it is. I think she just likes to. And there's
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  another thing too, is that, like you know, there is a factor,
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  and specifically with Twitter monetization. I think that what, maybe this is
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  just a tactic for Pearl to get like more Twitter bucks. It's possible.
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  I know it's a little cynical because I do think that if she really wanted
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  to do that, she would probably say something more popular. But that might
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  be part of it. So but regardless, whatever it is, the shallow
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  interpretation that women oppressmen, feminists deserve to have to contend with it, and
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  they deserve to have to contend with it being large and powerful and highly influential.
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  As far as I'm concerned, Yeah, And I would say it's shallow
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  because there's reasons why I would say it's shallow. I think that it's something
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  that needs to be said. It's something that needs to expand the Overton window,
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  agreed. And I think that it could be a useful tactic because you
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  would be forced to confront the idea that can oppressed women. If you yes,
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  exactly, you will be forced to confront the idea. The ideas be
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  a true perspective of history and society if you're forced to confront people who believe
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  that, who believe the opposite of feminism, Because what I want to get
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  at is there's feminism which believes that men oppressed women, that men are to
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  blame for society, and society is built for their benefit. Then there are
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  people who believe that women oppressed men women society is built for the benefit of
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  women, and I mean entirely for the benefit of women, And I can
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  see that again, I could see that argument. I think that society is
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  built to benefit women when it comes to provision and protection, but I think
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  it also does come at a sacrifice that women have to have to make.
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  And I can define that because it's it's news. Let's say it's the real,
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  the real version of the word nuanced. It's it. It requires a
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  lot of time to get into. But so there's that side that society is
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  constructed for women's benefit at the expensive men. I would say that there is
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  a really good argument for that. But both of those brought to the table
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  so that we can start recognizing the argument that maybe nobody is ultimately benefiting.
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  Maybe nobody is ultimately to blame. Maybe this is a dynamic we have constructed
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  for each other. And in fact, maybe feminism is is is these these
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  men on top justifying their exploitation of other men. You know, it would
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  be something like that. So we never escape ape each other. It's a
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  dynamic and it has been throughout all of human history. There's no point saying
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  men are more to blame or women are more to blame. The point is
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  to identify places where men can take responsibility, women can take responsibility to improve
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  everything overall, you know. And I would like to see that. Yeah,
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  that would where we would that's where we want to land. But we
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  can't. We can't get there now because too many people are not willing to
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  accept the possibility that they're wrong about the way the world is. And that's
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  the thing that I think. Well, I don't okay before we get into
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  because I want to get into the video. Before we get into the video,
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  though, first of all, I want to give a shout out to
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  of super childs. Let me put batter chan on the screen here so I
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  can read them. So I got one from cat call Time for five dollars,
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  and cat call Time says, I shall cat call women and say stuff
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  like you look like shit every day, or you look like you your don't
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  take accountability for your choices. Thank you cat Call Time, appreciate it.
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  And then we got another super chat from he's John Cena Richard Bier for five
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  dollars. Sorry, that was the wrong one. It is this one.
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  Sometimes I press the wrong button. I apologize, and he says, if
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  you strike me down now, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly
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  imagine. Allison to the Mary Sue, and we're still here. We're still
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  here. I don't know how well the Mary Sue is doing. I know
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  they still exist. No, it still exists. It's still they had to
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  pay them like three thousand bucks last year. That'll pay their the salaries of
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  like three writers for like well, yeah, for for the rest of their
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  lives, because they don't probably pay him a pack a day. Yeah okay,
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  but like, honestly they still exist. I you know what, I
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  don't even think the person who sent me that freaking letter even knew a thing
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  about what happened. Like it's it's just doesn't it's not relevant to them.
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  They do not care, and it just disappeared into the wastes of you know,
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  chrony cap capitalist corporate culture anyway. But yeah, that was But you
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  know, I survived. I survived. Yeah, you're still here. I'm
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  still standing. I'm surviving. Okay, I'm still standing, and I'm still
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  being utterly reasonable, perhaps too reasonable considering who you do. But let's let's
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  get into the video. So this videos from a few weeks ago, and
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  it's called the Dichotomy of the Sexes with Philip Tanzer. So I want to
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  give you a little background on it's Carl Benjamin Sargon of a Cod and Philip
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  Tanzer. So Philip Tanzer, we met him in twenty sixteen. He came
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  to the ICMI in London and he was very new to the movement at the
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  time, he considered himself like more of an egalitarian equalist, you know,
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  the usually like that is like the first step when you're moving towards men's rights,
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  are like, well, I don't hate women or anything, or I
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  still think feminism is cool at all. And I get it. I understand.
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  I went through that too. It's fine, no big deal. I
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  like Philip Tanser. I think he's a really nice guy. He used to
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  do gay Porne just for the record, he used to and then he like
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  stocked and he has like a barber shop in Scotland. But he's originally from
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  Germany. Big story, weird story, Okay, very big fan of the
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  X and I've had him on the show a couple of times as a guest,
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  Like I could think of at least three or four times that he's been
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  on our show, and you could look it up in our bachelorst team.
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  So not an enemy of mine or anything like that. If anything, The
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  only criticism I ever had of Philip Tancer say he's too nice. And you
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  know, I try to be nice, but I have my limits. I
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  think I think sometimes you have to recognize evil, and I think that like
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  being nice is just not not conducive to that. But that's the only criticism
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  I have is that he's too nice, so he can take it however he
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  wants. Since all of that, he has married a woman, and he's
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  lives in Scotland and he's I think he's trying to start a family, or
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  he may have already started one. I don't really know. And so because
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  he's already in the sort of I guess you could say Carl's neck of the
• 24:48
  woods, he's come on the Low the Seaters a couple of times to either
• 24:52
  be a guest commentator, because sometimes they have like a panel of guys,
• 24:56
  like I mentioned the Distributors before. Aidan Paladin has also been on there.
• 25:03
  I don't remember her real name, but I met Aiden a couple of times
• 25:06
  as well, and she's also been on the show. So in this discussion,
• 25:10
  Philip and Carl are sitting down and they're talking about the videos called the
• 25:15
  Dichotomy of the Sexes, but it begins with the conversation about the current state
• 25:19
  of the men's movement, at least as of two weeks ago. So we're
• 25:22
  gonna start with the intro and then I'm gonna go into some time codes that
• 25:26
  one of our patrons included me into. So, like, if you're in
• 25:30
  our discord and there's a video that you want to respond to, but maybe
• 25:33
  it's a little bit long in the tooth, you know, if you can
• 25:37
  save me some time by going through and finding time codes of moments that you
• 25:40
  want me to respond to that we can do a show on, it would
• 25:42
  be super helpful because some of these longer videos, like this one's like an
• 25:45
  hour and a half, it would just take me forever to go through and
• 25:48
  like look for all the stuff that annoys me, and I'd probably end up
• 25:52
  like marking everything. So anyway, let's play the intros. You guys have
• 25:56
  a sense of what this is about. And Carl don't ding us for this.
• 26:00
  You know, we're still We're still cool. I don't think he will
• 26:04
  though, well, you know, like I mean, if if somebody has
• 26:07
  an issue, they should bring it up so we can address it. No,
• 26:11
  I mean bring it up I'm talking about I don't agree with me.
• 26:14
  I don't agree with the assessment that we are in any way less relevant than
• 26:18
  we were. No, I agree with me more relevant. I think I
• 26:21
  think it's actually the result of something else. I think Carl's distracted by other
• 26:25
  things, like you know, agression and other Yeah, but I mean it
• 26:30
  is fair enough. But I think it is a blind spot because I think
• 26:33
  if you if you're not addressing the issue of men, then nothing else matters.
• 26:37
  Everything else falls apart. Like I mean that, Yeah, the world's
• 26:41
  made up of men and women. That's all that's at the end of the
• 26:44
  day. That's where it begins. To me, let's step one, Like,
• 26:47
  you can't address government ship, you can't address the globalists, you can't
• 26:51
  address the commies, you can't address those things if you don't address men and
• 26:53
  women first. So all right, let's start the video. I think I'm
• 26:59
  enjoined by men's rights activists and conservative activists for the tanza to discuss the unfortunate
• 27:04
  failure appears of the men's rights movement because it seems to have lost its energy
• 27:11
  and I'm pausing it there and else, if you want to say something,
• 27:15
  you can just jump in. I'll play some more. He's just sort of
• 27:18
  setting the table. I get where he's coming from, to be quite honest,
• 27:22
  Like, the thing is that the energy has moved from the people who
• 27:30
  are talking. Well, let's look at it, have an honest look at
• 27:33
  the relationship between the genders and the dynamics throughout history, and it's moved more
• 27:37
  again towards what I would consider to be the true anti feminist, who believe
• 27:42
  that more much closer along the lines of women oppressmen much more simply women have
• 27:48
  the power men don't, period. I mean, even if you want to
• 27:52
  say, if you don't want to use the term oppression. They think that
• 27:57
  without any kind of deeper understanding, society is constructed for women's benefit at the
• 28:07
  expense of men. And that's the exact opposite of the feminist opinion. And
• 28:14
  maybe this is just what has to happen. They have to come to the
• 28:17
  table, they have to start presenting this opinion to people and having it have
• 28:23
  more and more power and more and more influence, and it going out further
• 28:29
  and further, because otherwise feminists and the people who agree with them, which
• 28:34
  is a lot of people, will never actually start looking at what they are
• 28:40
  taught, what they are, what they actually are putting out into the world,
• 28:44
  and it's real effects, you know. So I'm starting to realize that
• 28:49
  this is probably a necessary process. But to say that men's rights activists or
• 28:56
  men's issues at enthusiasts or what ever. And incidentally, like if you look
• 29:02
  at it in terms of men actually having services, like it's better now than
• 29:07
  it was ten years ago. Yeah, I know, there's definitely progress being
• 29:11
  made on the ground. It's small, but I think more importantly, the
• 29:15
  language is changing. There's been examples of things like the like the Me Too
• 29:21
  movement. In some ways it's more powerful than it ever has been in terms
• 29:26
  of it being a political weapon see Russell Brand. But it's also created a
• 29:32
  lot more skepticism. It's actually kind of an interesting thing how things are sort
• 29:37
  of you know, flipping go ahead. So this idea that if you look
• 29:41
  at the the on the ground services, they're getting better, Like the dialogue
• 29:45
  is shifting. The energy has definitely moved more towards extreme, an extreme position
• 29:52
  when it comes to the relationship between men and women in favor of women having
• 29:56
  the power. I would agree with that. I think Andrew Tate would agree
• 30:02
  with that, even if even if he believes that it's still men's responsibility to
• 30:07
  I don't know, exude masculine miasma uh and uh and influence the world that
• 30:12
  way like that, to exude the masculine pheromone and thus influence the behavior of
• 30:18
  those around in the in the herid whatever whatever it is, he thinks that
• 30:22
  that's going to happen. But so I think it's gone more to the radical
• 30:26
  and and even more like I know that you know, for a time it
• 30:33
  was Paul Elam who was the real radical right and and I think I think
• 30:41
  he's even more than than I think Andrew Taate is probably even further into being
• 30:47
  seen as radical. But I would also say that Andrew Taate is really he's
• 30:56
  He's not a very deep thinker, I'll put it that way. I agree.
• 31:02
  I think that I think that Tate is a useful uh straw man for
• 31:07
  the media. That's why they center him and they prop him up. And
• 31:11
  I'm sure Tate thinks that it's all because he's the top g but like,
• 31:15
  honestly, he's mostly just cringe. But like Pearl, I think is something
• 31:19
  that they don't know. That's why I don't think that Pearl Tate are the
• 31:22
  same. I mean, Pearl, like you know, supports him or whatever,
• 31:26
  but I don't I think they're coming. No, I know you're not
• 31:27
  saying that, but I'm just saying in case somebody wanted to say that.
• 31:30
  I think that it's it is different because Pearl is specifically. The thing that
• 31:34
  I think that makes Pearl special is that she goes after women. She is
• 31:38
  going after trad CON's right now because she is trying to She started this,
• 31:44
  you know, she kicked the hornet's nest with the vasectomy thing, which I
• 31:48
  thought was Again, I think that she's all about, like, let's talk
• 31:51
  about this thing nobody wants to talk about, and then she's like, let's
• 31:52
  wait, yeah, yeah, that's what I know. That's what I think.
• 31:56
  I think that's what I really think it is. She's like, what's
• 31:59
  the thing we're gonna talk about that? She said, maybe he's in the
• 32:05
  field with all the cows, and she's like yeah, like when she says
• 32:08
  maybe women shouldn't vote and then people are like, oh my god. It's
• 32:13
  like, yeah, I think we should talk about that, and I don't
• 32:15
  disagree. I'm like, well, she's I mean, this is a good
• 32:19
  point. So I don't. I see it as more like she's forcing the
• 32:23
  conversation and she has the audience to do it, and I think that's what
• 32:27
  keeps her relevant. I don't think Tate adds much to that. I mean
• 32:30
  I don't think he's been talking much anymore anyway. I don't think he's been
• 32:34
  in the news much. I think that, you know, he's kind of
• 32:37
  like fallen back. But what I think, yeah, but what I think
• 32:40
  that Carl is referring to is more than that, like we have been less
• 32:45
  maybe something. This is something that Philip told him. So I don't know
• 32:49
  where he's getting this from, because we've been making content consistently for ten years.
• 32:52
  That's never stopped Paul. You know, he was doing work and then
• 32:55
  he slowed down, and now he's coming back and he's got x Y crew,
• 32:59
  and I've at him on my show and I hung him out with him.
• 33:00
  I hung out with Paul like a couple of weeks ago, we had
• 33:04
  lunch together. He's still very active. He's always been. I wouldn't even
• 33:07
  say radical, but he doesn't shy away from saying what is on his mind.
• 33:12
  I think that's good. I think there's been more vocal voices in the
• 33:15
  miktoo community, the in cells. I mean, I don't consider the Insull's
• 33:20
  part of the manisphere, but they do. So I'm just gonna put it
• 33:22
  out there. It's been it's been like a growing conversation. But what has
• 33:28
  changed is because of COVID, we haven't been able to host icmis since twenty
• 33:34
  nineteen, and the twenty nineteen i CMI was the biggest one yet. It
• 33:37
  was easily the biggest one yet and they've only been growing. It's just that
• 33:40
  the COVID thing kind of, you know, slowed things down, and we've
• 33:44
  been doing some online stuff and this year we're doing it in It was a
• 33:47
  Deli or it's in India, right, I'm not going to India. It's
• 33:52
  in New Delhi. Yeah, I'm not going there, but I'm supposed to
• 33:55
  be like doing a call, you know, a zoom call to the you
• 34:00
  know, our our buddies down in India, and that men's a movement is
• 34:05
  huge there. So like, I don't think it's throwing down, but I
• 34:07
  think that the COVID thing makes it look like it because everybody sort of stopped
• 34:12
  doing stuff for a little while. I won't say that it's an unfair assessment.
• 34:15
  I just think it's inaccurate. So what does I see my stand for
• 34:20
  International Conference on Men's Issues? How many how many time quotes do you have?
• 34:23
  I do have something I love one, two, three, four,
• 34:28
  five, Okay, I do have something I'd like to say to this,
• 34:34
  but I want to finish the intro first, but go ahead. There was
• 34:37
  a there was a series that I did called Crossing was basically about crossing the
• 34:42
  chasm, and it was about adoption of an idea, adoption of the technology,
• 34:49
  and how it tends to permeate through the population. So usually you have
• 34:52
  the first adopters and they grab onto it because it's interesting, or they find
• 35:00
  they figure out things that they can use this technology for. In our case,
• 35:04
  in the men's issues case, what we're talking about is an idea that's
• 35:08
  very new. It's very new, the idea that society is not constructed for
• 35:15
  the benefit of men at the expensive women, that women are not defined as
• 35:20
  victims. That's very unusual. Right throughout all of my most social most social
• 35:27
  culture, most cultures have a narrative of women's victimhood and weakness. We've never
• 35:31
  actually looked at that and said, hey, does that true? So this
• 35:36
  is a very new idea, and you're going to see that only a few
• 35:38
  type of people are really interested in something that's very new. So you can
• 35:43
  see that with I don't know the Earth is round, you can see that
• 35:46
  with washing your hands like surgeons washing their hands. So there's it's it takes
• 35:53
  a while for a new idea and a new technology to permeate through the through
• 35:57
  the population, and it's arts with those first adopters who are open to new
• 36:01
  things and how to apply new things, or how to investigate or they want
• 36:06
  to investigate new things. And then there's this huge chasm between the first adopters
• 36:10
  and they early what they call the early majority, which is people who are
• 36:17
  okay with something new, but they want to know how it improves their life
• 36:23
  first, and they want to see other people using it. They want social
• 36:27
  proof and the men's rights movement right now and has been since I've been alive
• 36:32
  and maybe even till I'm dead. You know, at the point where I'm
• 36:35
  dead is at that first adopter stage. We're at the chasm. So we
• 36:40
  are on the other side of the chasm. The rest of society is on
• 36:44
  the opposite side of the chasm that we are on. And in order to
• 36:50
  get over that chasm, there is only one thing that will do it,
• 36:55
  and that's pain. The way that it was ribbed in the book is I
• 37:01
  mean, if you're not if you're not somebody who's just naturally interested in new
• 37:05
  ideas and fascinated by wherever your intellect takes you. You're not going to be
• 37:10
  part of the first adopters, just not. It's just you don't get what
• 37:15
  You don't get anything out of it, you don't get the thrill of the
• 37:17
  new That's what first adopters are. Either and with the men's rights movement,
• 37:22
  either were people who have an interest in all of these new ideas and these
• 37:28
  new ways of looking at gender and sex. Or there are people who have
• 37:32
  been forced over the chasm through extreme amounts of pain. And you know exactly
• 37:37
  what I'm talking about, right, Brian, Yeah, Yeah, the men
• 37:40
  who've lost their children, the male victims of sexual assault and domestic violence,
• 37:45
  you know, the Johnny depths of the world where I don't know if he
• 37:47
  is across the chasm, but he probably is aware that it exists. So
• 37:54
  the point is that the rest of society is not going to cry that chasm
• 38:00
  until a sufficient amount of pain is applied, and the pain is going to
• 38:09
  come from the How this particular narrative falls out in terms of, well,
• 38:16
  what happens as a result of believing that men have constructed society as for their
• 38:22
  own benefit at the expensive women and as a result of condemning masculinity as toxic
• 38:28
  and harmful to women, basically as a result of condemning all of the masculine
• 38:32
  virtues, as a result of destroying the relationship between men by between men and
• 38:37
  women, by forcing men to try to sell themselves through one of the most
• 38:43
  unbelievably nasty anti male advertising campaigns in history. Like we like society is constantly
• 38:51
  telling women that being a mother is oppression, that housework is onerous like slave
• 38:59
  labor. You know, that being a wife is losing your autonomy, and
• 39:04
  just you know, we are constantly telling women that the worst thing they can
• 39:09
  be is a wife and mother, right we are, and that marrying men
• 39:15
  is a whore is like a horrible loss to them. So men have to
• 39:19
  push through this anti male rhetoric even to get to the point of starting a
• 39:24
  relationship with a woman. So you have a woman starts with all of this
• 39:28
  anti male belief system that a man then has to compensate for even to start
• 39:32
  the process of family formation. You know, that's another thing that we're suffering
• 39:37
  under. And until the pain of all of this becomes great enough people are
• 39:42
  going to remain on the other side of the chasm. So when you talk
• 39:45
  about men's rights losing steam or men's issues losing steam, what does that actually
• 39:51
  mean. Yeah, we've probably gone to and we've we've we've picked up all
• 39:57
  of the first adopters that we can. But on the other hand, we
• 40:00
  can't convince the rest of society to just start recognizing these problems, to start
• 40:06
  recognizing that you cannot condemn masculinity in perpetuity and expect to have your society be
• 40:13
  afforded the benefit of its virtues. You can't more the sacrifices men make for
• 40:19
  society in perpetuity and expect those sacrifices to continue. You can't unsell men and
• 40:25
  expect family formation to happen. I mean, until those things that they're doing
• 40:31
  really start to bite them in the ass and cause the necessary amount of pain,
• 40:40
  they're not going to go over the chasm. So we're here and we're
• 40:45
  keeping the message alive, and we're telling them, yeah, this is a
• 40:50
  solution to your problem. This is a solution to your pain. All we
• 40:53
  have to do is continue to do that, and maybe I'll have to hand
• 40:57
  the torch over to someone else when I'm old, before I die, hopefully,
• 41:01
  and we just keep that, keep at that until the pain is sufficient
• 41:06
  that they realize they have to do something new, that they that the value
• 41:10
  proposition that we bring with with what we have is sufficient, Like they have
• 41:17
  enough pain that they're ready to look and say, hey, yeah, you
• 41:22
  know what we probably should do that that's the only thing that's going to happen.
• 41:25
  And I said this back in eight twenty eighteen. The only thing that's
• 41:30
  gonna sell men's right. It's a sufficient amount of social pain, and it's
• 41:36
  coming. It's here, it's here. Yeah, there's there has to be
• 41:39
  suffering because we've been warning people for a while and it's not you know,
• 41:44
  I mean, there's not much we can do except like equip the people who
• 41:46
  watch us to protect themselves, because you're right, I mean, they're just
• 41:51
  gonna do this until like the suffering becomes underable where you can't blame it on
• 41:58
  men anymore, and you and yeah, it becomes unbearable. You just have
• 42:01
  to like do what's necessary. And that's gonna be pretty soon. Like,
• 42:06
  and we are fighting a battle. You guys have to understand that we're fighting
• 42:09
  as a narrative that's like been here far before we were ever born. So
• 42:14
  we're not expecting to like turn things over in our lifetime. But maybe we
• 42:17
  can get the ball rolling in the right direction. Otherwise, you know,
• 42:22
  we'll just go back to the Stone Age and maybe men will be like we're
• 42:28
  gonna have to oppress women, like it's the only way. I don't know,
• 42:34
  but I do think, I honestly do have some optimism. I think
• 42:37
  people are are you know, involved in this. I want to mention again
• 42:39
  with Pearl another thing I give her credit for, and I mentioned this on
• 42:43
  the show before. She did talk to Paul Elam and do a stream with
• 42:46
  Paul Elam and she did one with Janice Fia Mango, so she's talking to
• 42:50
  the right people. I'm still waiting to hear from her. I'm coming here,
• 42:53
  but I was told that she would come here. So you know,
• 42:58
  is Pearl like as knowledge on this is we are, probably not, But
• 43:01
  it doesn't matter. If she's able to get the voice out there, if
• 43:05
  she's able to get the talking points out there, it's fine by me.
• 43:07
  I don't care if it's triggering to people. But like, you know,
• 43:10
  we're dealing with people who have basically seat. They're acting in a way that
• 43:14
  seems like they hate humanity itself, So why not just talk in their language
• 43:19
  and talk past them at somebody who will listen and be reasonable. So well,
• 43:24
  okay, go ahead, just a little bit more, all right,
• 43:29
  we're not fighting that narrative. That narrative is going to destroy itself. What
• 43:34
  we're doing is keeping alive an understanding of why it's destroying itself. Yeah,
• 43:40
  and eventually people will there'll be so much pain that they'll have to step back
• 43:47
  and say, we got to do something different. Either that or the whole
• 43:51
  society implodes and we never recover. But you know what, either way,
• 43:54
  it's out of her hands. We did what we could. We fought against
• 43:58
  the dying of the light. We held aloft the answer to the problem for
• 44:04
  as long as we could, and we fought the good fight against ignorance and
• 44:10
  self deception. And you know, that's that's what matters. That's what matters,
• 44:17
  is that when you are at this side of the chasm, keeping the
• 44:20
  fires alight so that whenever the other side of the chasm, the people on
• 44:24
  the other side of the chasm realize, hey, it really sucks here,
• 44:29
  they'll know where to go. Yeah hopefully. Yeah, all right, I
• 44:36
  want to play the rest of the introduction, So let's play some more of
• 44:38
  this and then we'll get into some time code. It doesn't look like it's
• 44:44
  going to achieve the goals at sent for itself, which I'm not happy to
• 44:45
  say. Let's say that is a black pill intro. I will I will
• 44:52
  try to get sprinkle a couple of white pills into it, please. So
• 45:00
  yeah, i've been I've been a mentor attactivist now for oh my god,
• 45:04
  wait when did we see each other at the Men's International seventeen? Oh my
• 45:08
  god, it's been actually he's been twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. We were
• 45:13
  in Australia. Just I'm just clarifying, went you sixteen? The UK?
• 45:17
  Twenty seventeen, Australia twenty eighteen, the UK, twenty nineteen Chicago, and
• 45:22
  then everything else was online. It's been a while, it's been every I
• 45:27
  seem I was bigger than the last one. I will also add lots of
• 45:31
  good guests while Yeah, so i've been I've been a mentor attactivist now for
• 45:37
  quite a few years. And I think when I joined it that was obviously
• 45:40
  pre COVID, and there was still quite a lot of energy there, like
• 45:45
  there were annual meetings, conventions, and they invited you, which was quite
• 45:52
  a step up for the International Conference on Men's Issues, because you were not
• 45:59
  a per se men's rights activists. You were a social commentator and quite quite
• 46:05
  famous and well known, and so there was something good going on. And
• 46:13
  I would say, then COVID happened, and that happened obviously to so many
• 46:19
  parts of society that just it took a certain energy out of out of movements,
• 46:25
  out of events and things like that. All right, I'm gonna go
• 46:30
  to the So that's sort of like his reasoning. I don't think there's a
• 46:34
  whole lot more here. Yeah, I'm talking. I can understand that kind
• 46:38
  of feeling. I don't think I but the thing is that things evolved and
• 46:46
  change. I find it interesting that, you know, I was responsible for
• 46:50
  organizing the pre COVID, I SMI, the International Conference on Men's Issues,
• 46:55
  and like, yes, he's right, COVID took the sales out because specifically,
• 47:04
  I remember, uh in early two thousand, I was arranging to get
• 47:10
  another venue for the next while we were going to do a convention that was
• 47:15
  sort of more yeah, the Badger. We wanted to do something that was
• 47:21
  not quite as academic and incorporated more uh like the more like on the gamer
• 47:28
  Gate endure, the culture stuff, right, yeah, just the culture stuff,
• 47:31
  because the M twenty nineteen also incorporated the culture commentary. But I wanted
• 47:36
  to get more of the creators, you know, people who are the storytellers,
• 47:40
  get them more involved. And unfortunately, I remember after we had negotiated
• 47:47
  an actual venue for the event, I had to call them up and I
• 47:52
  had to cancel it because I was looking at what was happening with COVID,
• 47:57
  the kup and all of the lockdowns, and I was like, well,
• 48:01
  it wasn't the year you said, the year two thousand, Do you mean
• 48:04
  twenty twenty. It's actually really disappointing to me, to be honest, but
• 48:10
  I was going to go ahead with another another event, like I see my
• 48:15
  two thousand, and in fact, at one point I see my two thousand.
• 48:19
  I think twenty one would have been would have been in conjunction with what
• 48:22
  I was envisioning. And yeah, that's just it didn't happen because of coup.
• 48:29
  And I don't think you can blame anybody in the men's rights issue.
• 48:31
  No you can't. But it's not the coup. It's the government response of
• 48:34
  the coup. And specifically, like now we're at a point where I don't
• 48:38
  know if we can go to Canada or if people can come here because they're
• 48:44
  gonna do the coup thing all over again. And yeah, the problem now
• 48:47
  with travel is are they going to do something crazy? Well there's this this
• 48:53
  always this niggling fear in the back of your back of your head about oh,
• 49:00
  what are they going to spring? And so it's really difficult to organize
• 49:04
  anything, especially if you're not a huge, uh, you know, corporation.
• 49:10
  Yeah, we just went from pretty free to like absolutely questioning our freedom
• 49:16
  in like the span of a couple of years, and now we don't know
• 49:20
  if like what's safe to do or what's not. And it's very you know,
• 49:23
  it's I mean, I'm still I'm probably just as energetic about this as
• 49:30
  I ever have been, but maybe I'm really just yeah, you might be
• 49:34
  a bit demoralized, but like I'm I you know, I think that that
• 49:37
  because I know that that's the intention, and I'm not saying it's targeting us
• 49:42
  specifically, because I think this took the wind out of sales for a lot
• 49:45
  of people trying to do a lot of different kinds of organizing, unless,
• 49:49
  of course, you know, you're Antifa or Black Lives Matter or some kind
• 49:52
  of like a climate activists that wants to glue their hand to a painting of
• 49:57
  Mona Lisa, in which case then you're totally fine. But if you but
• 50:00
  if you are a men's rights activist or even before we had to deal with
• 50:07
  a lot of yeah, bomb threads, yeah for sure, and people canceling
• 50:12
  venues and all kinds of stuff. Like honestly, the coup thing, what
• 50:16
  it did was it put that anxiety that men's issues advocates always faced and it
• 50:22
  made it something that everybody faces now. Yeah yeah, And that really speaks
• 50:25
  to what I'm talking about with the with the pain thing, like we have
• 50:30
  the koup. I know there's a lot of conspiracy talk about you know,
• 50:36
  globalists and top down. Honestly, I think the coup is a is basically
• 50:42
  a form of mass hysteria. Like we the fear enabled an authoritarian response,
• 50:50
  but it was the fear, and the fear comes from a feminine impulse like
• 50:55
  that is like the I don't want to say talkxic feminine because I hate that
• 51:00
  word in conjunction with people's gender identities. It is a kind of primitive,
• 51:07
  immature feminine that reacts with an extreme response to a fierce stimulus. So it's
• 51:16
  in It was a very feminine. It was driven by women, and and
• 51:23
  I think that that was in part, like this, this belief that you
• 51:29
  sacrifice freedom for safety, and you sacrifice other people's freedoms for your safety,
• 51:35
  that's a very that's feminine. And even the people on the other side of
• 51:39
  the argument recognized it. Like the feminist that I spoke to, they said
• 51:45
  that the world should be and they and they regarded all of the measures in
• 51:50
  relation to the coup as being a a move towards a more feminine morality and
• 51:58
  a more feminine way of approaching social interaction. So they would admit that,
• 52:02
  they would say that this, this, this is good because it's feminine.
• 52:07
  And I'm like, so what we experienced was like a spasm of excessive,
• 52:14
  unchecked femininity, and that was the response to the coup, that desire for
• 52:20
  security and safety over freedom, that willingness to sacrifice safety and security or freedom,
• 52:29
  And I like im people can argue this in the comments. And I'm
• 52:34
  not saying that that's like femininity, that's that that that is one hundred like
• 52:38
  straight femininity. But it is femininity that is not courageous. It's it's femininity
• 52:45
  that's that's really up its own ass. Oh yeah, yeah, because there
• 52:50
  can be courageous femininity, but that's cowardly femininity. And that's when we say
• 52:55
  the future is feminine and we exclude the masculine and as at least a means
• 53:00
  by which women understand that there's something greater than themselves, you know. And
• 53:05
  I'm not saying that the feminine doesn't also do the same for men, because
• 53:07
  it does. When we exclude that, we what we end up with is
• 53:13
  the cowardly feminine as opposed to the courageous feminine. And you know, that's
• 53:20
  that's what we're experiencing. We're experiencing the feminine that is unaccountable to nobody,
• 53:25
  and it's not it's not a pretty sighte yep. And And like I said,
• 53:31
  a lot of the people on that on the other side of the aisle
• 53:35
  would say that, yes, the response, the government response to COVID was
• 53:39
  the transcendence of the feminine over the masculine and that we should have more of
• 53:45
  it. Well, yeah, well it's it's an excuse. It comes down
• 53:50
  to it being feminism is a statist ideology. And you know, unfortunately most
• 53:55
  people are down with that. Most people like not you know, it's not
• 53:59
  even most people are okay with it. And except for people like me,
• 54:04
  you know, and and and you. I mean, I think that it's
• 54:08
  just working out the way they want. But it's And they would say that.
• 54:13
  The way they would frame it is that the response to COVID was compassionate
• 54:17
  and kind and caring, and it was kind of like this responsive. Yeah,
• 54:23
  this is this response of being truly caring for people and making sure that
• 54:30
  they're okay and telling them what to do for their best interests. And they
• 54:35
  would, honestly, if you frame it that way, they'd say, oh,
• 54:37
  yeah, that is totally feminine, caring for people, being compassionate,
• 54:42
  taking care of them, making sure that they get the medicine that they need,
• 54:46
  even if they don't want it. Yeah, you know that that's a
• 54:50
  compassionate, feminine approach. And that's exactly how they framed it. And they're
• 54:53
  right, except it's not good. It works. Oh, by the way,
• 55:00
  smash like, or your grandma's gonna die. So if you love your
• 55:02
  grandma, slash like, or if you love your grandpa, smash like three
• 55:06
  times. Because if you smash it twice, you're unlike it, So do
• 55:08
  it three time. All right, let's I did get two but that before?
• 55:15
  Yeah, yeah, that's real before send send new ones so we can
• 55:19
  read them. Let's play some more of this. Well, absolutely, and
• 55:22
  this is this is why they're so afraid of someone like Andrew Tate, who
• 55:27
  takes a completely opposite view on feminism and women. And but what's worse is
• 55:31
  that the conservatives don't tend to like Andrew Tate because he doesn't promote a healthy
• 55:37
  masculine view. He promotes quite a nihilistic and pseudo masculine view. I can't
• 55:44
  dout comment on that because I don't follow him enough. I've seen enough of
• 55:47
  his clips to understand the sort of thing they're talking about, okay, and
• 55:51
  because I'm not a regular viewer of his, But he he essentially is taking
• 55:57
  the role of kind of a Bandit worries that, look, just get what
• 56:00
  you can for you because the system has ringed against you, and it will
• 56:05
  do everything it can to cross you the matrix, he calls it, which
• 56:08
  is not necessarily an inaccurate way of framing. It is essentially trying to make
• 56:13
  you into a slave of the system. It has its clients of power,
• 56:17
  which are the women of the system. You are to be one of the
• 56:21
  serfs of the power, and you're going to spend your life laboring for someone
• 56:24
  else's gain, and so get out of that as much as you can,
• 56:28
  get as much wealth and prestige as you can. But this is not It
• 56:35
  fundamentally lacks the essence of what it is to be a man, which is
• 56:37
  to be dignified and reliable and have people rely upon you Instead. It's kind
• 56:44
  of the opposite. It's kind of like at what a bandit would do,
• 56:47
  which is why he has to worry about his girls leaving his compound rather than
• 56:52
  worrying about stopping too many women making advances on him. Right. So,
• 56:58
  okay, so the person who gave me this sound this clip, said Sargard
• 57:04
  starts pulling out the real man bullshit when he really means good boy. So
• 57:08
  I don't know, maybe the person who wrote this disagrees with that. I
• 57:13
  think he's right. I think right here he not Maybe not right all the
• 57:16
  way through here, but he's right Andrew Tate. Yeah, I think he
• 57:21
  specifically said Andrew Tate is like the reverse of feminist. Yeah, he's like
• 57:24
  a bandit. Well well, no, no, no, listen to the
• 57:28
  beginning. Go to the beginning and listen, because I'm pretty sure he said,
• 57:32
  yeah, go to the beginning of this segment. I'm not thinking honestly,
• 57:37
  Okay, keep going here, we go go on a little bit.
• 57:42
  Well, absolutely, and this is this is why they're so afraid of someone
• 57:45
  like Andrew Tate, who takes a completely opposite view on feminism and women.
• 57:51
  And but what's worse is that the conservatives don't tend to like Andrew Tate because
• 57:55
  he doesn't he takes the opposite view. Because this this this section, we're
• 58:01
  missing a little bit of context. So maybe go a couple like maybe twenty
• 58:05
  seconds before. So, yeah, and gender segregated education that they want to
• 58:12
  do with exclusive responsibility and blame on the part of the boys and no responsibility
• 58:19
  at all on the part of the girls, which obviously, which is what's
• 58:23
  been going on for women forever now. But they're trying to get them younger
• 58:30
  and younger and younger. Potentially because they see that some young people, especially
• 58:37
  boys, are waking up. Well absolutely, and this is this is why
• 58:40
  they're so afraid of someone like Andrew Tate. Okay, so they were talking
• 58:44
  about feminist Yeah, so she's pointing out that Andrew Tate like I did.
• 58:49
  Andrew Tate is saying the opposite. And you know, I know that everybody's
• 58:52
  like, oh, I and Tate. I honestly think that Andrew Tate needs
• 58:55
  to come to the table because well, I mean, it's the only way
• 59:00
  there needs to be. There needs to be a counterpoint to feminism. So
• 59:05
  there needs to be a counterpoint to blaming men for society, and that counterpoint
• 59:07
  needs to be blaming women. And then maybe where we're at and I think
• 59:13
  I think you agreed with this that maybe it's all a freaking dynamic. We
• 59:17
  can start talking from that perspective so we can start fixing things. Yeah,
• 59:22
  it might have to be the case, but I don't. I think that
• 59:25
  I think Entertained is gnocentric. Look that my my my belief is is that
• 59:30
  well he may he may be very critical of feminism, but I think that
• 59:36
  he is still very gynocentric. He definitely puts women like his his success with
• 59:44
  women is like how he measures his worth as a man. And and I
• 59:49
  think that that is I think that that's small. I think that is small.
• 59:54
  But go ahead out feminism patriarchal. Yeah, of course, and your
• 1:00:01
  tate is gynocentric. And the reason why I say feminism is patriarchal is it
• 1:00:07
  because it is because feminism is the way that I can see that it's structured,
• 1:00:15
  is it talks about smashing patriarchy. But at the end of the day,
• 1:00:19
  when I talk to feminists, they have absolutely nothing in the way of
• 1:00:23
  tangible plans to escape this horrible, oppressive slavery of women. I'm like every
• 1:00:30
  group of slaves that didn't completely buy into the whole system had some kind of
• 1:00:39
  means of fighting against it. Like now, some systems of slavery were a
• 1:00:45
  little bit like they had their own little escape valve. Like Roman slavery.
• 1:00:49
  You could buy your way out, or you can marry your way out.
• 1:00:52
  But if you look at something like slavery in the Old South, you have
• 1:00:55
  the underground railroad, right you people who opposed it, and we're trying to
• 1:01:02
  get them physically out of it. You don't have that with feminists. There's
• 1:01:08
  no, there's no attempt to escape this horrible patriarchy or to establish anything realistically
• 1:01:15
  female only like I talked to. I've talked to the lesbian separatists, at
• 1:01:21
  least the ones who talked to me, and they have no plan for how
• 1:01:24
  to replace all of the utilities that men provide are majority male, with female
• 1:01:30
  utilities. They have no plan for that. They have absolutely no plan.
• 1:01:35
  Every single subjugated people want and that was not somehow subsumed by some kind of
• 1:01:43
  benefit to themselves in the greater culture. Wanted to be free, they wanted
• 1:01:49
  their own homeland, they wanted to establish themselves. And yet yet women feminists
• 1:01:54
  are pathologically incapable of even having that impulse. And when I realized that,
• 1:02:00
  it was actually when I watched Barbie that I realized this, that this occurred
• 1:02:05
  to me because she's whining about patriarchy. But in the end, what does
• 1:02:08
  she do. She appeals to the Great Patriarch for a benefit, a boon,
• 1:02:14
  you know, please bless me, Great Patriarch. And I realized from
• 1:02:17
  all that and the fact that this was honestly presented as feminist, like this
• 1:02:22
  whole movie was presented as feminist. He grows like oh yeah, this is
• 1:02:25
  a feminist, so feminist, feminist, feminist. I'm like, really,
• 1:02:29
  because when I look at this in terms of a hero's journey or at storytelling,
• 1:02:36
  what you have told me is that while women should be allowed to talk
• 1:02:39
  about the nail, it doesn't matter if the nail has ever removed. What
• 1:02:45
  matters is that they get to talk about how the nail makes them feel.
• 1:02:50
  So you've established patriarchy as some horrible oppression of women, but you're not talking
• 1:02:54
  about ending it. You're just talking about how it's a horrible oppression of women.
• 1:03:00
  It's just so horrible, it's so awful. But okay, so let's
• 1:03:02
  end it. No, no, no, no, no, it's not
• 1:03:05
  about ending patriarchy. It's about how patriarchy makes me feel. I'm like,
• 1:03:10
  this is it. This is the entirety of feminism. It's not about ending
• 1:03:14
  patriarchy. It's about how make patriarchy makes them feel. That is not the
• 1:03:20
  attitude of any group of people that's truly oppressed, of course not. That
• 1:03:24
  is not the attitude of someone who's being killed by a nail in their head.
• 1:03:29
  It's the attitude of someone who is mildly inconvenienced by the existence of this
• 1:03:35
  thing they're complaining about. Is anybody who's deeply harmed wants it done? I
• 1:03:40
  mean, God, if you have a cracked tooth, do you not want
• 1:03:45
  it out of your mouth? You know, because of the fricking pain of
• 1:03:50
  it. And yet what Barbie presented was that it's not about the patriarchy,
• 1:03:55
  you see, ladies, It's just not about that. No, we still
• 1:03:59
  want the patriarch to appeal to you, to ask for stuff to batter eyelashes
• 1:04:04
  at and get boons from. What it's about is how the patriarchy makes us
• 1:04:10
  feel. It's not about ending the patriarchy. I'm like, that's the message
• 1:04:15
  that that Barbie had, that is It's a great message. It's a great
• 1:04:18
  feminist message. And then I realized, Hey, this is actually the entire
• 1:04:21
  feminist message, including the extreme rad fem position. Because none of them have
• 1:04:27
  any bricking clue. They don't even have the first They don't even take the
• 1:04:31
  first step towards what they call smashing patriarchy or being free of patriarchy or ending
• 1:04:36
  patriarchy. None. They don't even think about it, like this is the
• 1:04:42
  thing. They don't even think about it, They complain more. I don't
• 1:04:46
  even want to say more. The word is. The word more doesn't even
• 1:04:48
  capture it. Complaining about patriarchy is their entire or the entire corpuses their entire
• 1:04:57
  attitude towards patriarchy. There is absolute nothing left for getting away from this horrible
• 1:05:03
  thing that oppresses them, So they spend all of their time complaining about it
• 1:05:08
  and none of their time attempting to get away from it because they don't want
• 1:05:13
  to. They know the deal that they got. YEPF. So again,
• 1:05:18
  it is not about the patriarchy. It's not about you know that that movie,
• 1:05:24
  that video, it's not about the nail. I don't know how many
• 1:05:27
  people have watched it, but it's about a woman with a nail in her
• 1:05:30
  head and her husband is there and she's like, you know, if I
• 1:05:32
  could just take the nail out, and she's like, it's not about the
• 1:05:36
  nail. It's about how I feel like I feel the suppresses spiky pain in
• 1:05:42
  my head, and it's it's really getting me down and making me depressed and
• 1:05:46
  or feel depressed. And I think I'd really like to get like a pint
• 1:05:49
  of ice cream and just sit here and try to deal with these feelings.
• 1:05:53
  And he's like, can I just take the nail out of your head because
• 1:05:56
  I get rid of it it probably feels. No, it's not about the
• 1:05:59
  nail. Don't understand me. It's this is what exactly what feminism and patriarchy
• 1:06:03
  is. It's not about the patriarchy. It's about how it makes me feel.
• 1:06:09
  Ye And it's like that's such as it's such a it's such. It's
• 1:06:15
  the it's the stupidest thing that we're fighting against. It's really stupid yea.
• 1:06:20
  And yet it is the dominant way that people live their life's like the world
• 1:06:26
  we live in, Like kids are raised on this. It's not look at
• 1:06:30
  this. I'm like, this is what's gonna kill our society. Well,
• 1:06:33
  kids hurt it? Yeah yeah, like well unless we we actually start,
• 1:06:39
  unless those people get across the chasm. Yeah, I mean this is this
• 1:06:43
  is it, This is this is we have chosen the face of our destructor.
• 1:06:45
  Yeah, it's not, it's not not everyone will be saved. But
• 1:06:48
  there you go. All right, let's get to the next clip. Mm
• 1:06:54
  HMM's it. I want to point out too that this these two clips are
• 1:07:00
  in a section about Andrew Tate, but this is not actually about Andrew Tate.
• 1:07:03
  So I know the people are gonna have a reaction, they're gonna get
• 1:07:08
  all been out of shape. But like, just take out that name and
• 1:07:12
  insert any other name, Paul, Elam, Pearl, Jordan Peterson. It
• 1:07:16
  doesn't matter because the narrative is the same. The person is just the placeholder
• 1:07:21
  whoever it is they're throwing shit at. A few years ago, it would
• 1:07:25
  have been somebody else. It would have been Paul, It could have been
• 1:07:27
  Sage, Gerard, it could have been well, usually it's a man though,
• 1:07:30
  you know us, Yeah, it could have been us. Could have
• 1:07:33
  been although they don't really like to, They don't really like to acknowledge that
• 1:07:36
  we said it was Karen for a while, you know, I mean it
• 1:07:41
  could be sho. We got too much shit matter, no, because when
• 1:07:45
  it comes when it comes to women, they don't know how to deal with
• 1:07:48
  it. But when it comes to men, it's very easy because again,
• 1:07:51
  you know, we're men are cast into a black category as per the cultural
• 1:07:59
  revolution. That so you know, you can just say he's a man,
• 1:08:02
  or he's a white man, or he's a straight white man, and that
• 1:08:05
  will do it, Like like, you know, what is it? The
• 1:08:09
  books we've been through with Tildeer the white male system thinking that's the purpose of
• 1:08:14
  calling it that, but in a black category. Oh yeah, I'm sure
• 1:08:17
  he will. He's in the chat, he's right here. Yeah, til
• 1:08:21
  deal, Let's do another show, all right, Albert Nada retro gives us
• 1:08:25
  five dollars Canadian as a super chat and says, I hate never mind,
• 1:08:30
  I'll be quiet. It's established by this point. By the way, sorry
• 1:08:32
  for my remarks on your cyberpunk twenty seventy seven video. It won't happen again.
• 1:08:39
  It's fine, whatever. Thank you for the super chat, appreciate it.
• 1:08:44
  Okay, so we're going to move on to the next clip. All
• 1:08:51
  right, let's keep going. But they would cheat it out of it,
• 1:08:56
  and I feel like the longer we wait for something truly conservative to come back,
• 1:09:04
  the heart of the backlash will be. Yeah. If there is a
• 1:09:11
  generation of boys being obsessed with Andrew Tate and becoming potentially slightly misogynistic a holes,
• 1:09:21
  not even slightly or massively a misogynistic a holts, there is a potential
• 1:09:30
  of women saying we don't like that. There's not They're saying it out right.
• 1:09:36
  That's why they want Andrew Tate silence. From everywhere? Yes, all
• 1:09:41
  right, mean pause it for a second again. I know people get emotionally
• 1:09:45
  triggered by the Andrew Taate thing, but I gotta let me back up because
• 1:09:48
  Philip Tanzer is making an assertion that I don't think it is true. He's
• 1:09:51
  saying that Andrew Tate is misogynistic and he's going to make his fans misogynistic.
• 1:09:57
  Now, if you think he is, I want you to make the case.
• 1:10:00
  Do you think that andertainious misogynistic? And even if you think he is,
• 1:10:04
  do you think he can turn all of his male followers into misogynists?
• 1:10:10
  Now you would have you would have to rewire men's brains to make them think
• 1:10:14
  that they hate women? So like, is this not a feminist argument?
• 1:10:18
  Okay, I want to put it. Okay, I want to put it.
• 1:10:21
  I want to look at the term misogynist. What do you really mean
• 1:10:25
  by that? Do you mean that these Yeah? But my from what I
• 1:10:30
  can see, what is it that these young men are believing what they're believing?
• 1:10:35
  And what is term misogyny? Is this idea that they are oppressed by
• 1:10:42
  women? Okay, all right, that needs to come to the table now
• 1:10:47
  periods. Right, there's Mottle way out of it. At this point,
• 1:10:50
  young men need to be able to beak that opinion. They need to be
• 1:10:57
  able to come to the table and say, yeah, I'm oppressed by women,
• 1:11:01
  what of it? What are you going to do about it? Am
• 1:11:04
  I going to get my equality initiatives? They need to come to the table.
• 1:11:08
  They need to be able to say that, because this is the only
• 1:11:11
  way that the discourse is going to become balanced. Because we have had how
• 1:11:16
  many generations of girls and women saying the reverse about men without any context,
• 1:11:26
  and it's and I have said over and over again for the last twenty years,
• 1:11:30
  this narrative is not accurate. I mean, I could say I've disproved
• 1:11:38
  it, but it's never been proven. Like I want people to understand this
• 1:11:43
  and let this sink in. The feminist assertion that society is constructed for the
• 1:11:48
  benefit by men, majority male decisions for the benefit of men has never been
• 1:11:55
  proven, and by a scientific standard, it's actually been multiply disproven. People
• 1:12:00
  do not want to provide and protect from men over women. They don't want
• 1:12:04
  to see men benefit over women. In fact, rather the reverse. They
• 1:12:09
  will destroy anything that they think benefits when over women because they don't like it.
• 1:12:14
  They think benefits should go to women. Now there are negatives to that,
• 1:12:18
  and we can get into because there's like, there's a real nuance to
• 1:12:23
  all of this. But the ultimate truth is feminist conjecture has never been proven
• 1:12:30
  to any standard period. And yet boys and men, boys and growing into
• 1:12:39
  men have been subjected to this lie. They have had this inserted into their
• 1:12:49
  understanding of themselves. They have been forced to swallow it, to incorporate it
• 1:12:57
  into their bodies and their minds for generations. Something that has never been proven
• 1:13:03
  to any bandard whatsoever, and if we are really honest, has scientifically been
• 1:13:11
  disproven. Society does not benefit men over women. Okay who regardless who supposedly
• 1:13:17
  makes the overt decisions, society does not benefit men over women and never has
• 1:13:24
  and that has never been proven. Okay. They have been subject to this
• 1:13:30
  lie for generations, now generations, and now it's time for them to come
• 1:13:39
  to the table with their own truth and their own experience of having been subject
• 1:13:45
  to this lie for generations. So when you say, oh, young men
• 1:13:50
  are becoming misogynists, okay, yeah, I get it, But when are
• 1:13:56
  they going to be able to come to the table and talk about their experience
• 1:14:00
  of having been had this inflicted on them for generations, you know. And
• 1:14:06
  honestly, the interpretation here, the interpretation here of having this line inflicted on
• 1:14:14
  you, is that women control society for their own benefit. And I can
• 1:14:19
  see that interpretation, I can see where it comes from. I don't agree
• 1:14:24
  with it, and I have my own arguments why it's not the case,
• 1:14:29
  which I will not get into here, but one young men should be able
• 1:14:33
  to come to the table with their experience of having been subject to a malicious
• 1:14:41
  lie about their nature for the last few generations period. Otherwise we're not going
• 1:14:47
  to go forward with anything. Yep. I was just gonna say, it's
• 1:14:57
  funny that, like, you know, even Philip Tanser, who's been been
• 1:15:00
  coming to conferences and he's very outspoken and he's grown in popularity. He got
• 1:15:04
  like a BBC documentary made out of made you know about him. He was
• 1:15:10
  like the gateway to all this men's movement stuff in the mainstream in a lot
• 1:15:14
  of ways. And he still holds men to a higher standard behavior than women.
• 1:15:17
  He still does it, and it's so obnoxious. I know, Elison,
• 1:15:23
  I know it's I'm trying not to lose my cool, but I'm really
• 1:15:29
  getting tired of seeing it. I don't think men are going to become misogynists.
• 1:15:33
  I think that the worst thing that I can tell that Andre Taine has
• 1:15:38
  done in terms of that is essentially like giving men, the young men,
• 1:15:45
  a sense of standards, like the you know, identifying good women from bad
• 1:15:49
  women. I think that's probably the most charitable thing I can say. And
• 1:15:54
  nothing about having standards for men should be seen as misogynistic, even though it
• 1:15:59
  is considered misogynistic by not just feminists but women and broader society in general.
• 1:16:06
  But there should be no reason why men can't do it. And I'm sorry,
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  but like if you're not, like, you know, holding women to
• 1:16:15
  account, which is why again I fully support Pearl because at least she tries
• 1:16:20
  to do that. You're not going to change anything. You're not going to
• 1:16:25
  change anything if you don't know you're down. Yeah, you gotta start holding
• 1:16:29
  women's feet to the fire. The one thing that men can do and I
• 1:16:31
  do, and I've thought about this since we did that show with Sam Cedar
• 1:16:36
  and Timpool. I think that really high value men, those top one percent
• 1:16:42
  of men, should be holding women to really high standards, and then when
• 1:16:46
  those women get the reality check that they're actually mid which probably the majority of
• 1:16:50
  them are, then maybe they will rethink what they've been doing and get their
• 1:16:56
  egos in check and then figure the shit out, because it's the only way.
• 1:17:00
  As long as those extremely like those men at the top of the hierarchy
• 1:17:03
  are even giving those women the time of day or sleeping with them or whatever,
• 1:17:09
  then it's you know, it's just gonna get worse unless they want a
• 1:17:12
  harem, which you know, I'm sure women fantasize it about as much as
• 1:17:15
  men think about the Roman Empire, But I think they's the only way women
• 1:17:20
  have to get their ship together and the really really high you know why you
• 1:17:24
  men need to like, you know, have some standards too. Okay,
• 1:17:29
  I was just saying that so you know that I can talk and then you
• 1:17:31
  can stop talking if you wish. All right, there's two points harems.
• 1:17:39
  If you think about it, a harem is a perfect expression of that desire
• 1:17:43
  to have a man who has social proof from other women. The other thing
• 1:17:47
  I wanted to say, is it interesting how they're framing As far as I
• 1:17:50
  can tell, they're framing young men believing the reverse of what has been believed
• 1:17:56
  about them for generations as misogyny. Right, So what are young men believing
• 1:18:02
  that that women hate them, that they want to exploit them, that they
• 1:18:10
  want to harm them emotionally, financially, physically, and they want to be
• 1:18:15
  able to do it and want to get away with it. What is that
• 1:18:18
  but the reverse of feminist patriarchy theory. So it's misogyny when boys do it,
• 1:18:26
  and yeah again it is. It is really aggravating because the only people
• 1:18:30
  who are gonna like that you got to get over on this side of the
• 1:18:33
  chasm. And on this side of the chasm, we hold women to the
• 1:18:38
  same standard, or at least somewhat similar or a standard, any standard like
• 1:18:45
  you know, and specifically we hold women to the standard of their actions effect
• 1:18:50
  on the men and boys in their lives and other women for God's sake.
• 1:18:55
  I mean. The thing is that the feminist framework making women who abuse other
• 1:19:00
  women invisible, like just just giving them excuse after excuse doesn't help women either.
• 1:19:06
  The average woman is not an abuser, okay, usually, why would
• 1:19:13
  giving abuse of women free reign to abuse the average woman be of benefit to
• 1:19:18
  women? Because that's something that feminism does by giving women constant excuses. No,
• 1:19:24
  it's not it's not this woman's problem, it's she's she's just an expression
• 1:19:28
  of the patriarchy. No, it is her problem. She needs to take
• 1:19:33
  responsibility for it. That's like when I when we talk about women's responsibility,
• 1:19:40
  like, I don't know how this is going to to fall out. Maybe
• 1:19:44
  women can continue to be as promiscuous and whatever else is they want, but
• 1:19:49
  they're going to have to take up the slack when it comes to working the
• 1:19:55
  jobs that they don't like, like doer work linemen, you know, uh,
• 1:20:02
  making sure that the plumbing works and all of that stuff. If women
• 1:20:06
  want to take their equal responsibility, their half of responsibility for infrastructure work,
• 1:20:14
  then they can be as promiscuous as they want, because that will you know,
• 1:20:19
  they are taking their responsibility for half the society running, right, They're
• 1:20:25
  doing the work themselves. They either you either have to be willing to motivate
• 1:20:30
  the work or do it yourself one or the other. I don't care,
• 1:20:35
  but you got to take the responsibility. Ladies. Yeah. Well, I
• 1:20:40
  have one commentator on Twitter who says that my use of the term ladies to
• 1:20:44
  refer to women and men to refer to men means that I'm like a misinterest,
• 1:20:47
  an occult misinterest of some kind of Yeah, I thought that was that
• 1:20:53
  I'm still waiting on his analysis spurging the fuck out. Let me get like
• 1:21:00
  language policing pisses me off. I'm sorry, Like, don't take us literally,
• 1:21:04
  take us seriously. You know. Okay, I think I moved on
• 1:21:10
  to the next bit, So let's play the next clip here again. Do
• 1:21:15
  you have any thank yous to give or anything? No, guys, Once
• 1:21:18
  again, I feed the Badger dot com slash support if you want us to
• 1:21:21
  keep going. You know what's really interesting is that I wanted to say this.
• 1:21:26
  It feels like Tim Pool is getting more. This might be completely wrong,
• 1:21:30
  Red Pilled, I mean it's possible. I mean I think, you
• 1:21:36
  know, like when the pain comes, you know, like because he was
• 1:21:40
  the one that said, you know, guys on the top need to to
• 1:21:44
  shame the women who are mid Yeah, I mean, like who I think
• 1:21:49
  that if if women listen to anybody, it's gonna be either other women unless
• 1:21:55
  those women are beneath them, or like the top, to your men.
• 1:22:00
  Regular men, men at their level, even men slightly above their level,
• 1:22:03
  are not going to be able to do that, Like they're just gonna be
• 1:22:05
  able to dismiss them out of hand because they've been propacandized to do that.
• 1:22:11
  But if it's a really high status man that they feel entitled to the attention
• 1:22:15
  of and that man turns him down, then I mean it's gonna hurt.
• 1:22:17
  But it's the only way. It's like the reality check, that's what needs
• 1:22:20
  to happen. So him, Yeah, Temple has been flirting with the red
• 1:22:26
  pill, but he won't take it. It's like it's like, you know,
• 1:22:30
  you know what you want to you want to get a child to take
• 1:22:32
  their medicine and they put it in their mouth because there and then yeah,
• 1:22:36
  like that that's what he's doing, pudding and spit it out. Yeah,
• 1:22:41
  exactly, all right, Albatross gives us a super chow. Thank you so
• 1:22:46
  much. Albatross, let me play a little giggle for you, and he
• 1:22:51
  says, tate or online personalities don't make guys misogynistic bad behavior from bad actors.
• 1:22:59
  Does Uh. Yeah, I mean it's a it's a it's a bad
• 1:23:02
  assumption to make. Oh, look, JoJo's here, let's run on the
• 1:23:04
  Jojo cam. I'm gonna put John there. He is okay, So let's
• 1:23:12
  play. You're not missing anything. It's just Philip's arm. Wait wait wait
• 1:23:15
  wait what what? What? Well? I was going to say that,
• 1:23:17
  you know, even bad behavior from bad actors doesn't make young men misogynists.
• 1:23:21
  Like from what I've seen, often there's a lot, a good portion,
• 1:23:27
  there's a good portion that think that it's their responsibility. You know. It's
• 1:23:30
  something that I have to work with young men in the discord a lot like,
• 1:23:35
  uh no, that's not your responsibility. How your mom treated you,
• 1:23:39
  it is not your responsibility, I mean, or do you not to blame
• 1:23:43
  for it? Unfortunately, once the garbage is in your lap, you have
• 1:23:46
  to deal with it, and it's your responsibility not to pass it on to
• 1:23:49
  someone else. But it's not you're not to blame for the fact that your
• 1:23:54
  mom dumped that garbage in your lap. And this is something that I have
• 1:23:57
  to talk to young men in the discord about constantly. And it's I mean,
• 1:24:02
  there are some young men who are just like, ah, the whole
• 1:24:05
  world there's a problem and I'm not the problem, and yeah, and it's
• 1:24:11
  like that does happen, But in my experience, it's more common, and
• 1:24:15
  it might just be who we attract, which is really interesting and of itself
• 1:24:19
  if you think about it, because we are men's rights podcast, and from
• 1:24:24
  what I can tell, the average listener is more likely to internalize this stuff
• 1:24:30
  in a men's rights podcast, internalize this stuff too much as their own fault
• 1:24:36
  than they are to recognize the fault of women in their life. And when
• 1:24:43
  I say fault, I mean genuinely like they are to blame, Like there
• 1:24:46
  are abusive women who engaging in abuse, and they are one hundred percent to
• 1:24:50
  blame for dumping a whole bunch of trash in the lives of their their husbands,
• 1:24:56
  their sons, et c. But but the the guys in question,
• 1:25:02
  the men in question still take too much responsibility, like and like I said,
• 1:25:09
  in my experience, men take too much responsibility. Yeah, I agree,
• 1:25:14
  and and it's like it and maybe maybe that's not the right way.
• 1:25:17
  They take too much blame, like because again, the garbage is your responsibility,
• 1:25:21
  but you're not to blame for it, And they take too much blame
• 1:25:25
  for it. They take continual blame for it, and like it's hard to
• 1:25:30
  break them of that habit. And so I'm experiencing the exact opposite of what
• 1:25:35
  these individuals say about these young men, and that young men take too much
• 1:25:41
  blame upon themselves. Not not not like they need to take more, although
• 1:25:45
  I have seen young men who do blame the outside circumstances a lot more.
• 1:25:51
  But like I said, most of the ones that I work with are you
• 1:25:56
  got to you gotta help them to not blame themselves even while taking responsibility.
• 1:26:02
  If that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, okay, I agree. Okay,
• 1:26:08
  if they don't manage, if the wave gets too big, they might
• 1:26:15
  come to the negotiating table. That would be just like with Brexit. If
• 1:26:21
  that, I think that would be a good outcome if the male side kind
• 1:26:28
  of like if there's a warning from the male side, if women feel like,
• 1:26:32
  oh my god, what are we losing? In some ways, I
• 1:26:36
  doubt it. I don't think that the wisdom is still in our society to
• 1:26:44
  actually assess things correctly in the media wouldn't allow it, But it would be
• 1:26:48
  my that's my small hope. I Okay, No, I think you're saying
• 1:26:55
  something like what I said at the beginning. Yeah, yeah, this is
• 1:27:00
  something that has to happen, Like young men need to be able to be
• 1:27:03
  heard about this, and they deserve it honestly like they've they've been subject to
• 1:27:10
  this ghastly narrative that has no validity for a long time now, and it's
• 1:27:16
  time for them to be heard on their experience of being subject to it.
• 1:27:23
  You know, this is social abuse, and now the group of people that's
• 1:27:27
  being socially abused is talking back, and it's it has to happen. I'm
• 1:27:31
  sorry, ladies, you've you've had the mic for however many years, and
• 1:27:36
  you've been able to push this narrative that has no validity, no evidentiary it's
• 1:27:42
  like it has not proven any standard. And uh. And now the people
• 1:27:46
  who've been subject to it, the young men who've been subject to it,
• 1:27:49
  are talking back, do you, And it's what needs to happen. And
• 1:27:56
  it doesn't matter that you think they're misogynists, because they're basically just putting up
• 1:27:59
  a mirror to you and your statements and just reversing them because you can't stop
• 1:28:08
  them. The big no you Yeah, yeah, I gotta, I got
• 1:28:14
  a super chat. I want to read and then I want to hear Karl's
• 1:28:17
  response because I haven't heard this. I haven't heard this video. Actually I
• 1:28:21
  started it and I was starting to like when when Carl said the men's movement
• 1:28:26
  is appears to be dying, I was rolling my eyes so hard. Okay,
• 1:28:30
  So Dean Domino twenty five gives us four ninety nine as a super chat
• 1:28:33
  and says I'm not a fan of when these culture commentators jump into this conversation
• 1:28:38
  with little research. Friday Night Tights did so last week towards the end,
• 1:28:42
  Dean Domino, if you could get me the link and the time codes,
• 1:28:45
  I'd like to have us respond to that, because I think that Friday Night
• 1:28:51
  Tight guys are like, you know, they're sort of in the general vicinity
• 1:28:57
  adjacent to us. But you're right, they don't know what they're talking about,
• 1:29:00
  or they haven't been doing it very long, but that's when they're prime,
• 1:29:03
  their prime for this depository known as the red pill. So yeah,
• 1:29:08
  if you can get me the link to the show and the time code of
• 1:29:12
  when this conversation started, I'd like to take a look at it. Okay,
• 1:29:16
  So let's play Carl's response. I think you've got a great point here
• 1:29:20
  because I think they realize that well Andrew take really represents there's a generation of
• 1:29:26
  young men who are actually not vulnerable to the emotional blackmail of feminism. So
• 1:29:31
  we don't care. We've been raised in feminism. You are the power structure.
• 1:29:35
  We are the ones suffering. We need to be able to get for
• 1:29:39
  us what works for us, even if it's only materialistic, hedonistic satisfaction in
• 1:29:44
  the short term. Well, I mean you sat the paradigm. You said,
• 1:29:46
  well, women can go out and do anything they want. Well,
• 1:29:48
  great, we're going to take advance of that now. And so feminism realizes
• 1:29:51
  that actually it's claims on men were reliant on their being a kind of traditional
• 1:29:57
  man to make those claims against a man who thinks, oh, yeah,
• 1:30:00
  I have an obligation to women, Well if you go, if you you,
• 1:30:01
  then through feminism of raised generations of men who don't they have obligations to
• 1:30:05
  women. Why would they listen to at all? You're a woman. Their
• 1:30:10
  obligations have been termed patriarchal oppression. You know, I think we're in furious
• 1:30:15
  agreement with these with I mean, I generally agree with this. I think
• 1:30:18
  some of the language is not great, you know, I mean, and
• 1:30:23
  I know I don't need to be a signer for words, but I think
• 1:30:26
  that using the language of feminism feeds into feminism and it's best to like avoid
• 1:30:30
  it. Don't call people misogynist boys, and they're not gonna hate women.
• 1:30:33
  That's ridiculous, you know. So I'm not even going to disagree with Albert
• 1:30:38
  uh Andrew Tate not really bringing a hell of a lot to the table except
• 1:30:42
  to counter like a counterweight to the bullshit that we've been doing towards men and
• 1:30:48
  boys. Like he's he's a dufus. I'm sorry, guys, yeah,
• 1:30:55
  he's he just like, why would you piss off the Romain and mob?
• 1:31:00
  Like well whatever, I mean, I don't know about that, but like
• 1:31:03
  that it doesn't I don't know, I don't know about that, but it's
• 1:31:06
  a bit of a joke. But anyway, Yeah, my overall point is
• 1:31:10
  I don't think he really adds anything substantial. If the only thing that he's
• 1:31:15
  given is that men are allowed to rebel against women, yes, and then
• 1:31:20
  you know, that's I'll take it. That's sart and hopefully let's start and
• 1:31:26
  then hopefully we'll start to move towards something a little bit more productive. But
• 1:31:31
  I think that that's a lot of what they're saying too, Like young men
• 1:31:34
  are embracing this and it's in honestly, Like again, I said this a
• 1:31:41
  long time ago in one of the one of my one of my I think
• 1:31:45
  one of my videos. The only positive, even remotely socially positive identity that
• 1:31:50
  feminism has has left to give young men is that of playboy. M like,
• 1:31:59
  that of sexually appealing to women. Right, That's it. That's that's
• 1:32:03
  the only thing left to young men. And what a surprise, you know,
• 1:32:09
  I jertaate. Yeah, it's embodying that one last little speck of potentially
• 1:32:15
  being pro social and being masculine. And it is pro social. I mean,
• 1:32:20
  giving women's sexual pleasure is still giving them something, even if you're not
• 1:32:25
  giving them relationships, yeah, you know. And being about attracting women is
• 1:32:32
  still attracting them even if you're not giving them all of the things that they
• 1:32:38
  want long term. All right, that's still pro social. That's still defining
• 1:32:42
  yourself by women's consent and interest and desire. And it's the last thing,
• 1:32:47
  Like I'm like looking at this, and I'm like, you know, enter
• 1:32:50
  tate in the last passibly pro social way to define yourself as masculine within the
• 1:32:57
  feminist hegemony. What's next. What's next is to completely divorce yourself from this
• 1:33:06
  society and its framework for gender identity and simply regard the society itself as your
• 1:33:14
  enemy completely. Like it's the next stage is to become the sea people.
• 1:33:19
  Yeah, it's the next stage for men is to become the sea people.
• 1:33:26
  So literally to develop a culture of brigandship and piracy as you regard the culture
• 1:33:33
  that supposedly raised you to be your enemy, your outright enemy. And that
• 1:33:40
  won't necessarily come through the people who are interested in aertained or the young men
• 1:33:45
  who are who are calling out this misogyny misentry. If we're already seeing that
• 1:33:50
  with Antifa, Like does that blow your minds? That is the attitude of
• 1:33:58
  antifat is the enemy, even though they have like they're they're much more spawned
• 1:34:03
  from feminism. That's that's more likely where this is going to come from.
• 1:34:10
  That's going to come from. But the first people who are going to regard
• 1:34:13
  society as being an enemy that they need to kill and destroy will do so
• 1:34:18
  because feminism has told them that society is an enemy that they need to kill
• 1:34:24
  and destroy. Yeah, so Antifa, that is the Antifa are the sea
• 1:34:28
  people? Get it? M h, I get it? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:34:33
  I know. You do. I know, all right, all right,
• 1:34:35
  I'm going to continue. I feel like I'm in some rarefied places that
• 1:34:42
  I think you put yourself there. I think everyone's listening. I think that's
• 1:34:45
  really realistic. I don't know. I mean, I who knows. I
• 1:34:49
  mean, they're only in their early sort of twenties at the moment, exactly,
• 1:34:53
  I do not know. But the problem is that, and this is
• 1:34:56
  what the feminist is that. Okay, well, we wanted to get them
• 1:34:58
  as young as possible, because I'm we habituate them. You know, give
• 1:35:00
  me the child until the seven and I'll give you the man. Well they've
• 1:35:03
  had the child, and now they're giving us the men. And the men
• 1:35:06
  they're producing are not the men they wanted, and they are very open to
• 1:35:13
  someone like Andrew Takes. I look, this was all paradynamics, and the
• 1:35:15
  feminist came out and said, this is all paradynamics. It's all about take,
• 1:35:18
  take, take, and so okay, well now, and you see
• 1:35:20
  this in the way that young women approach relationships as merely a transactional event in
• 1:35:28
  their lives, and so they have you know, it doesn't matter if I've
• 1:35:30
  slept with one hundred men, you know or it doesn't matter, ify the
• 1:35:32
  only fans or whatever. I can just get whatever I can. And so
• 1:35:35
  the men are right, Okay, Well, our relationships with women are purely
• 1:35:38
  transactional. Therefore Andrew takes right. Yeah, no, he's right again again
• 1:35:45
  again, what did feminists expect? This is what I kept saying over and
• 1:35:50
  over again. If you define, if you say that the only way that
• 1:35:55
  you can differentiate yourself as a man, but I'm a woman, is to
• 1:35:59
  be chrism at all. Yeah, there's gonna be all. You're gonna put
• 1:36:02
  a lot of pressure on young men to be criminal. Is that white male
• 1:36:05
  system again saying that the only way to differentiate yourself, differentiate yourself from women,
• 1:36:13
  to have any kind of unique anything like it doesn't like you look at
• 1:36:19
  certain aspects of black culture differentiating themselves from the majority culture by embracing a criminal
• 1:36:26
  identity. Well, why do they do that? Because something is better than
• 1:36:30
  nothing? And that's what feminists are putting men into, young men into,
• 1:36:35
  and they're going to And the thing after Andrew Tate is no longer the playboy,
• 1:36:43
  which is passibly pro social, because you're still at listening women's desire.
• 1:36:47
  What's after the playboy. What's after? We can't met young men can't embrace
• 1:36:51
  that to differentiate themselves and develop a sense of value, like because they see
• 1:36:58
  if Andrew Tate is having a value, not just having value to them,
• 1:37:01
  but having value to women. So what's after that? What's after geehaa,
• 1:37:11
  it's yeah, it's Antifa building freaking ships and starting to raise unger it,
• 1:37:19
  you know, like it's it's that because everybody's like, oh, I entertainer,
• 1:37:28
  I'm awful. It's I'm like, this is the last flag, guys,
• 1:37:33
  he's the last he's raising the last flag. This is the final last
• 1:37:38
  flag before the ship hits the fan. You guys are complaining about the last
• 1:37:43
  flag. You're like, oh my god, look at him. You're such
• 1:37:45
  a misogynist. This is the last flag before it gets really fucking bad.
• 1:37:50
  I don't know when the really fucking bad starts, but it it's gonna start.
• 1:37:57
  Because you can't keep telling young men you're not part of society until and
• 1:38:02
  expect young men to not eventually say you're right, I'm not part of society.
• 1:38:08
  Where's where's the flaming pitch? You know, let's let's let's go get
• 1:38:15
  some some arrows. And lay siege to the granaries of the Harem. You
• 1:38:19
  know, like, you can't keep doing this. You're constructing your own destruction.
• 1:38:27
  And every time we talk tell people you're constructing your own destruction, they
• 1:38:32
  say, oh my god, you're a bunch of misogynistic wars. It's like,
• 1:38:38
  okay, enjoy the pain. I hope that you have enough bloody sense
• 1:38:44
  in your head that when the pain gets to a certain point you look across
• 1:38:48
  the chasm and say, oh, I guess that's a solution, as opposed
• 1:38:54
  to just falling in on fire, you know, and just hitting the bottom
• 1:38:59
  and dying. I don't know if anybody understood what the hell I just said,
• 1:39:04
  Yeah we do. I don't know what like cause you to think that
• 1:39:09
  people do get it because we are not having a conversation. People are just
• 1:39:12
  listening to but they get it. Okay, I'm watching the chat. Nobody's
• 1:39:15
  saying, what is she talking about? They get it. We all get
• 1:39:18
  it. We've been here a while, okay, everything about being a man
• 1:39:23
  in the feminist system and the feminist like, okay, but we required you
• 1:39:28
  to be the traditional men that we have removed from society, and so maybe
• 1:39:31
  in twenty years there will be a generation then just like we don't care about
• 1:39:34
  women at all, we think your prostitutes possible, I think unlikely because of
• 1:39:42
  our nature, because I do think, I do think that a lot of
• 1:39:46
  people still want to pay a bond, and oh yeah, that and Andrew
• 1:39:54
  Tate for young people then goes into a Jordan Peterson who as they grow older,
• 1:40:00
  and I would I totally agree, but like there's there's no more bitter
• 1:40:05
  an enemy than someone who feels that they have been betrayed. And I think
• 1:40:10
  that a lot of young men will currently feel betrayed. I think they do.
• 1:40:15
  There is no position for a young man, there's nothing aspiety. Position
• 1:40:21
  of honor is literally Andrew Tate. I mean, everybody's horrified by him.
• 1:40:27
  But what has he actually done, as far as I can tell, piss
• 1:40:30
  off the Romanian in the mob and help women make money on only fans.
• 1:40:36
  I said before, although my voice was probably more raised back when I said
• 1:40:41
  it, that it don't like Andrew Tate attracting young men, that you're going
• 1:40:45
  to have to offer some else and no one is doing that except for Andrew
• 1:40:49
  Tate. So think, well we are, but we're not reaching anybody.
• 1:40:54
  And I mean, like, you know you could help. Well, we
• 1:40:56
  are reaching a few people. Yeah, I know, But my point is
• 1:41:00
  is that he is the top g right now. Because you can say a
• 1:41:05
  number of factors. But the point is men are going there and if that's
• 1:41:11
  the only refuge that they see because they don't see anybody else that I'm not
• 1:41:15
  interested in discouraging them because the alternative is the noose. So I don't want
• 1:41:21
  that for men. I want them to have some kind of purpose. I'm
• 1:41:25
  going to keep talking about what I think would be a good idea. I'm
• 1:41:29
  going to keep pushing people to create spaces that men can be in without the
• 1:41:33
  oversight or involvement of women, so that they can find out about their identities
• 1:41:38
  so they can find themselves. But we can't just strip that from them.
• 1:41:42
  It's like in cells, for example. They go to in cell forums and
• 1:41:46
  they go there to be with people who are going through the same problems suffering
• 1:41:54
  frustration, sadness, you know, despair that they are feeling, and that
• 1:41:59
  is for them. They try to create a positive environment. I've had guys
• 1:42:04
  that run the in cell forums on before I spoke to them about what their
• 1:42:08
  goals are. It is a place for these kind of men to go.
• 1:42:12
  And what do people like Laura Bates want to do? What do the feminists
• 1:42:15
  want to do? They want to take that away from them. They frame
• 1:42:17
  them as violence, They frame them as misogynistic, as racist, as whatever.
• 1:42:24
  All of the bad things, all of the bad things they can throw
• 1:42:27
  at if they throw at it, and the purpose of it is to keep
• 1:42:30
  them from associating with each other. What will happen to in cells if you
• 1:42:32
  take that one thing they have. They're refuge, they're oasis. You strip
• 1:42:38
  it from them, They're going to self destruct. They're they're gonna do something
• 1:42:42
  terrible. They're gonna destroy themselves, or they're gonna hurt other people. We
• 1:42:45
  don't want that. And I'm not saying that it's something that they're prone to
• 1:42:47
  doing, but I'm saying that you you're taking away what little men have.
• 1:42:53
  And I think the same applies to someone like Andrew Take. There are plenty
• 1:42:56
  of people out here talking about stuff, but they're not being like for whatever
• 1:43:00
  reason, algorithmically because of big tech, because nobody wants to whatever. They're
• 1:43:06
  not reaching anyone, and if the only place they have is him, even
• 1:43:13
  if it's unhealthy in the short term, I would rather they were there than
• 1:43:16
  basically killing themselves exactly. So like, yes, and of course they're portrayed
• 1:43:21
  feminism is never gonna help them. In fact, they're trying to take this
• 1:43:26
  resource from them too, right, So it's like literally they're saying, men,
• 1:43:30
  I don't care how depressed you are, Yeah, just kill yourself.
• 1:43:32
  That's basically what they're doing. So it's like, well, I'm sorry,
• 1:43:35
  but I think that Tate is better than suicide. Call me bad, I
• 1:43:41
  don't know. S yeah, change my mind, but I think that going
• 1:43:45
  to someone like Tate is better than suicide. I'll I'm gonna go out on
• 1:43:49
  a limb and I'm gonna go ahead and make the statement. I'm putting it
• 1:43:53
  out there. I'm spitballing, guys, but I think that might be better
• 1:43:56
  than suicide. What would be there would be There's plenty better than Tay,
• 1:44:00
  but that doesn't appear to be on the table right now because Tate has forced
• 1:44:03
  himself on the table. So men are going to be on the table.
• 1:44:06
  We are trying, but you know, where are the gonna reach? Where
• 1:44:10
  we're gonna reach, So there you go. It's either that or maybe all
• 1:44:13
  the people that you on head gave us clips of that basically said for men
• 1:44:16
  to die and fuck them and that they're terrible and all that. About how
• 1:44:19
  about those? How about those? How about the commies? How about we
• 1:44:23
  send them to the commies? How is that gonna work out? How's that
• 1:44:26
  is that working? No? Huh? Interesting? Interesting that it's almost like
• 1:44:30
  there's very few options, very few options. So maybe we should like allow
• 1:44:35
  men to take whatever resources they can and so that they don't off themselves.
• 1:44:42
  Okay, yeah, okay, Oh well, what I wanted to point out
• 1:44:45
  is one and I'm separating the charges Ladd Andrew tape from the things that he
• 1:44:50
  said. Okay, he is the last bit of honor. He's the last
• 1:44:56
  bastion of how men in our society with in the feminist framework can see themselves
• 1:45:02
  in terms of women. Let's let's just put it out there. You said
• 1:45:06
  he's not a gynocentrican. He is gynocentric. He represents the last last way
• 1:45:16
  that young men can see themselves in terms of their relationship to women in this
• 1:45:24
  society in a positive fashion as a playboy. Okay. That is the last
• 1:45:30
  positive relationship that feminism has given men in this society after this one goes,
• 1:45:36
  there are no positive relationships left or men, specifically men, between men and
• 1:45:44
  women in this society, none whatsoever. He is the last flag before the
• 1:45:49
  cliff, and then there's nothing, There is no positive relationship to be had
• 1:45:55
  within the feminist framework between men and women. And yes, he's gynocentric because
• 1:46:00
  he's still offering young men a way to revolve their identity around the desire,
• 1:46:08
  the interest, and the pleasure of women. He's offering them a way to
• 1:46:15
  be attractive to women, to see themselves positively in relation to women. There's
• 1:46:20
  nothing left after Andrew Tate, nothing, no remaining relationship between men in this
• 1:46:28
  society and women in this society. That's it. That's the end. We're
• 1:46:31
  done, what a fork in it, We're over. And of course he's
• 1:46:36
  a gynocentric and the course we don't have the same reach because what are we
• 1:46:43
  saying. Are we saying this is how you can create a positive relationship with
• 1:46:50
  women men, I mean, how you can see yourself in terms of benefiting
• 1:46:56
  women in order to generate a sense of positive values. That what we say
• 1:47:00
  is that what we focus on, No, it's not what we focus on.
• 1:47:03
  What we focus on is women need to take responsibility. Men need to
• 1:47:11
  take care of themselves. Men need to establish appropriate boundaries with women. Men
• 1:47:16
  need to help each other establish appropriate boundaries with women. And we don't offer
• 1:47:25
  We don't present some kind of relationship. Well, let me put it this
• 1:47:30
  way. We don't present a gnocentric view of relationship between men and women.
• 1:47:35
  I don't say, Okay, this is what you guys need to do in
• 1:47:40
  order to gain a sense of approval from women. I don't usually say that.
• 1:47:44
  I don't think I've ever have have I I don't think so. No.
• 1:47:48
  I mean I want men to engage with other people with courtesy and respect,
• 1:47:56
  of course, but I don't frame it. I'm like, it's not
• 1:48:00
  the same way. Andertate is saying, this is how you get women's desire.
• 1:48:03
  This is how you benefit women by having them desire you, And that
• 1:48:08
  is a benefit. Like when you become desirable to someone, it's because you
• 1:48:12
  benefit them somehow. So I Andertate saying, this is how you become of
• 1:48:15
  benefit to women. Guys. It's in within the playboy model, which is
• 1:48:18
  the last thing that feminists have given men, but it's still this is how
• 1:48:24
  you become of benefit to women. Like I said, we don't do that.
• 1:48:30
  We're talking about how do women become of benefit to men, and not
• 1:48:35
  in terms of the traditional oh, wife and mothers things. No, how
• 1:48:40
  do women take responsibility for men in their lives? How do they recognize the
• 1:48:45
  harms that men face? How do women develop the courage and the strength not
• 1:48:49
  to quail like a child in the face of a man who is experiencing something
• 1:48:55
  painful. That's the kind of stuff that we talk about more than we talk
• 1:49:00
  about how do men benefit women. So you're absolutely right, Ander Tate is
• 1:49:04
  gnocentric. It's why he probably appeals to men more because he appealed to that
• 1:49:09
  gnocentrism and also that desire to see themselves in their actions in terms of their
• 1:49:17
  outcome. So this is the other thing that feminism does. I said that
• 1:49:23
  feminism is patriarchal because they're always about they're not really about smashing the patriarchy.
• 1:49:28
  They're just about how patriarchy makes them feel. So then they can then go
• 1:49:31
  to the patriarchy and say, oh, this is these actions made me feel
• 1:49:34
  this way, could you do something different in the patriarch is like, oh,
• 1:49:38
  yes, of course, dear, And that's that's feminism. But the
• 1:49:42
  other thing that feminists do is like I was having this long discussion and we
• 1:49:46
  talked about this yesterday, Brian. So during the game stream, I think
• 1:49:55
  men and women. I got that. By the way, I figured out
• 1:49:58
  why it was lagging. It was because I was streaming in Discord and streaming
• 1:50:02
  on OBS and I guess when I thought I was streaming in Discord, I
• 1:50:05
  thought I was just sharing my screen. So it was like trying to do
• 1:50:10
  double duty. That's why it was struggling. But if next time I do
• 1:50:13
  it, it should be wast smoother. But go ahead, I'm sorry.
• 1:50:15
  I just wanted to point that out. Okay. So I think that there's
• 1:50:21
  sort of a humiliation that men and women experience in the face of each other.
• 1:50:28
  For women, it's the physical reliance that they have on men, and
• 1:50:31
  for men it's the psychological reliance that they have on women. And what feminism
• 1:50:35
  does for men and women is it constructs this kind of lie or artificial reality
• 1:50:43
  in which women are not dependent on men physically, even though they are more
• 1:50:47
  dependent on men physically than they ever have been throughout all of human history,
• 1:50:53
  and men are not psychologically dependent on women. Because the big thing about patriarch
• 1:51:00
  key theory is what it's actually men who somehow use their masculine miasma to make
• 1:51:08
  women make decisions and have influence. Even though you know, remember Okay Barbie
• 1:51:13
  movie, You notice how they just sort of glossed over how the men use
• 1:51:16
  their masculine miyasma to influence women, like they just they didn't even bother to
• 1:51:21
  explain it, even though you'd think that this would be the most critical thing
• 1:51:25
  for feminists to understand, which is how men use their wiles, their masculine
• 1:51:31
  wiles to make women do what they want. You'd think that without doing any
• 1:51:36
  because the Kens never engaged in any kind of force, and in fact,
• 1:51:41
  Ken had a complete breakdown when it came to the point where he would have
• 1:51:44
  to use force to push his will. So the kids never used any force.
• 1:51:48
  All they used is masculine wiles, right, But we never got to
• 1:51:51
  see that, just glossed right over it, even though it's like a critical
• 1:51:56
  plot point. But then we got to see the Barbie is using their feminine
• 1:52:00
  wiles to influence the men, and why is that? It's because they don't
• 1:52:06
  have a They don't have any clue how men use masculine wiles to influence women.
• 1:52:13
  But everybody knows how women use math from feminine wiles to influence men.
• 1:52:18
  Okay, And but the whole thing with patriarchy is that it's basically saying,
• 1:52:24
  well, no, actually, society is defined by men's psychological seduction of women,
• 1:52:30
  not women's psychological seduction of men. And that hides for both cases.
• 1:52:36
  It hides men's psychological reliance on women and women's physical reliance on men. So
• 1:52:45
  it's like a fig leaf. We're each hiding our humiliation from each other.
• 1:52:48
  And that's the other thing that feminism does. And I think Ander Tate still
• 1:52:54
  buys into that, and to a degree, I think Jordan Peterson buys into
• 1:52:58
  that. And I think what we do it honey Badger radio as we rip
• 1:53:00
  off a fig leaf and everybody runs screaming. But we got to at subpoint
• 1:53:08
  be honest with each other, regardless of how humiliating people think it's going to
• 1:53:13
  be. Yes, men are psychologically dependent on women. Yes, women are
• 1:53:18
  physically dependent on men. And you know what, that's what we got.
• 1:53:25
  That's that is the deal that we got. That's the deal we got from
• 1:53:29
  Mother Nature, the spaghetti monster and God. That's our deal. Live with
• 1:53:32
  it, grow from it and stop lying about it. Yep, all right,
• 1:53:44
  all right, Uh, this is a little bit more left in this,
• 1:53:46
  and I think that's it. It's going to collectively applaud that isn't also
• 1:53:53
  a position for a woman, which will be obviously giving preference over the man.
• 1:53:56
  So the young men are essentially being locked out of honor and applaudits in
• 1:54:00
  society. I don't blame them for feeling betrayed at all. I think they
• 1:54:05
  have been betrayed. And so I'm not surprised that Andrew Andrew Tate's fan base
• 1:54:10
  is very rapid, but they are very committed to Andrew take and it's just
• 1:54:15
  like, Okay, that's very interesting, that's all I'm saying. I totally
• 1:54:18
  agree. I would like it if that could be the case. But who
• 1:54:21
  knows, you know, and just twenty years of being a materialistic, transactional
• 1:54:28
  product of feminism might make it so that the part of them that would have
• 1:54:32
  bloomed that the essentially what clo is called memb without chests, then they haven't
• 1:54:38
  got the ability to feel that kind of love anymore. Maybe, who knows.
• 1:54:41
  I would assume it was always the job of the woman to tim the
• 1:54:47
  beast in the many men have not been beasts for a very long time.
• 1:54:53
  Maybe they're turning a little bit into beasts. Again, what these men then
• 1:54:59
  need are caring and loving women. But where are the caring Well yeah,
• 1:55:05
  where are the caring and loving women? Are they turning into beasts? A
• 1:55:11
  little who knows? Like maybe in terms of I think he's being very young,
• 1:55:15
  young un or something which is fun like look at look at look at
• 1:55:20
  snow White? Right the in a way, the Dwarves were beasts the original
• 1:55:26
  Yeah, so original Disney. Did you watch it? No? I didn't,
• 1:55:30
  but I talked about it, so yeah, the dwarves were like,
• 1:55:35
  well, I guess you could say that the Seven Doors were like beasts in
• 1:55:38
  that they were they lived a comfortable life that they enjoyed. You you got
• 1:55:45
  that, but it was like, you know, uh, it did not.
• 1:55:50
  Essentially, it was a messy home and they left the dishes out,
• 1:55:56
  and you know, it was covered in cobwebs and it was a filthy place.
• 1:56:00
  And snow White came and she basically, I guess you could say she
• 1:56:03
  turned the house into a home or she civilized it. Now I know some
• 1:56:08
  people would get upset and basically say, oh men, can do those things
• 1:56:11
  too. Yeah, I get it, but this is symbolic. This isn't
• 1:56:13
  reality. You know that what it symbolizes is snow White. What she brings
• 1:56:19
  to the table is that she and these dwarves were not romantic partners either.
• 1:56:27
  This was a platonic relationship. She loved them, she cared for them,
• 1:56:30
  she cleaned them, she fed them, and she you know, pick up
• 1:56:33
  after them. And the dwarves in return, they gave her a home and
• 1:56:38
  you know, they entertained her. They sang songs for her, and they
• 1:56:42
  protected her when she was in danger. So it was kind of a it
• 1:56:45
  was. It was that setup. So in a way, she civilized them
• 1:56:49
  because they were living I guess that you could say they were living like bachelors,
• 1:56:54
  but there was more like a frat house and they were all like roommates.
• 1:56:58
  I don't know if they were related or anything in the movie, and
• 1:57:01
  I think that it was it's basically a very symbolic, you know, image
• 1:57:08
  of the of the typical male and female relationship the dwarves and and snow White,
• 1:57:15
  and it was it was really positive message for women too. I mean,
• 1:57:18
  obviously, uh you know, what's her name, Ziegler and Disney is
• 1:57:23
  going to absolutely destroy that because they just don't understand men and women at all,
• 1:57:29
  and I mean men and women. Like feminists don't just understand men,
• 1:57:32
  they also don't understand women, and so they don't like women. Yeah,
• 1:57:36
  they don't like they don't like women. This is something that, yeah,
• 1:57:42
  this is something that I sort of wanted to do in my story, is
• 1:57:45
  that to bring back this idea that and you have to challenge the notion that
• 1:57:50
  traditionally women are oppressed in order to value the feminine again, because if you
• 1:57:56
  if you don't, then the traditional feminine, the kind of snow white feminine,
• 1:58:00
  is just a woman embracing her oppression rather than a woman embracing a unique
• 1:58:05
  feminine power of influence and not just civilization, because really what she did is
• 1:58:12
  she probably increased the level of comfort that they had, yeah, and you
• 1:58:17
  know, and made it so you know, level of comfort, level of
• 1:58:21
  a moral and maybe reduce some of the chaos so that they could be working
• 1:58:29
  more efficiently, which is traditionally more what women did. And like, I
• 1:58:32
  can't emphasize this enough, Like throughout history women were working and they were the
• 1:58:40
  source of most material comfort. Like if you wanted to have proper water,
• 1:58:45
  if you wanted to have food during winter, and if you wanted to be
• 1:58:49
  able to sleep somewhere warm, that was all controlled by women. You know,
• 1:58:55
  if you wanted to have proper clothing, it's all controlled by women.
• 1:59:00
  And even in like a hunter gatherer society, the woman is responsible for the
• 1:59:04
  material comfort of the men. She's the one that makes sure is that they're
• 1:59:10
  wearing proper clothing, that they that the food is food is properly stored and
• 1:59:15
  prepared for winter. You know, this is it also in many cases that
• 1:59:20
  the medicinal thing plants that help them get through any kind of health crisis.
• 1:59:26
  You know, this is really critical. But it's all a supportive role,
• 1:59:30
  a supportive role in some cases, a mentoring or mused role, or an
• 1:59:33
  inspiring role, or a motivating role. It's not necessarily at the tip of
• 1:59:39
  the sphere spear, but nevertheless it's the it's in many cases, the shaft
• 1:59:44
  of the sphere. It's this spear. It's what gets the arrow to where
• 1:59:47
  it's going. And in order to reframe all of history is oppression of women,
• 1:59:55
  feminism had to erase the massive input, the massive amount of what women
• 2:00:02
  did to get us to hear. So not only is feminist feminism and contempt
• 2:00:08
  of men, it's contempt of women and everything, like they only ever look
• 2:00:13
  at the women who did what men did, right even though and they don't.
• 2:00:16
  They don't look at it in terms of, oh, yeah, actually,
• 2:00:18
  if women did want to do what men did, often they were able
• 2:00:21
  to do it often men women were able to have significant political and philosophical power,
• 2:00:27
  and the greater society et cetera, et cetera. Like you know,
• 2:00:29
  you look at French society and it was all those matrons of the art that
• 2:00:32
  really brought out a lot on you patroned a lot of artists, like it
• 2:00:39
  was Ludovico's wife who patroned, Oh goodness, Leonardo da Vinci. Right,
• 2:00:46
  it's a huge power over the arts women had throughout history. And it's not
• 2:00:51
  just that. It's that the regular women, the women that feminists never ever
• 2:00:58
  think about, the ones who who aren't actually rebelling against their quote unquote role,
• 2:01:03
  the importance of their contribution to society is held in complete contempt and dismissal
• 2:01:12
  by feminist historians. The contribution of generations upon generations upon generations of snow whites
• 2:01:20
  who are one hundred percent feminine, one hundred percent supportive, one hundred percent
• 2:01:27
  in a role of making the world kinder. It's not just civilizing men.
• 2:01:31
  They're civilizing the world for men. They're making it kinder. They're making it
• 2:01:38
  them a soft place to land after they have to deal with the harshness of
• 2:01:42
  the world. Maybe we should look at it more like that. They hold
• 2:01:46
  all of them, all of the snow whites in history and utter contempt with
• 2:01:51
  their narrative of oppression. Oh, they weren't women who were being courageous in
• 2:01:58
  their own way and our own uniquely feminine way. They're all pepsis well,
• 2:02:04
  a bush of bitches. But you talk about mean girls, how much meaner
• 2:02:09
  does it get? And that's another thing that I can't stand about feminism.
• 2:02:15
  Okay, sorry for blowing out everyone's fucking ear drums. There, Hello,
• 2:02:23
  Yeah, I'm here, I'm here. I was just playing a mean girl's
• 2:02:26
  clip. I have one that agrees. Oh good, because I'm sorry I
• 2:02:32
  couldn't actually hear you. Did I blow out everyone's ear drums? Sorry about
• 2:02:35
  that? I heard you. My my freaking discord decided to not send the
• 2:02:41
  sound through the ear headphones again. But anyway, it's what is fetch Oh,
• 2:02:47
  it's like slang England, all right, but it's like it's such mean
• 2:02:54
  girl bullshit and it's it's anyway. So they hold men in contempt, they
• 2:02:59
  hold women in contempt, and I'm in my store. I sort of wanted
• 2:03:02
  to fight back against that and actually present the feminine role as in a context
• 2:03:09
  in which you can see the influence and the importance of it. And anyway,
• 2:03:14
  so, okay, I'll step off my soapbox so we can continue.
• 2:03:19
  Used to do. I think that there there's really that's it. I think
• 2:03:24
  I guess most of it is fine, but there were just you know,
• 2:03:28
  maybe it's just little things that people want. Maybe, but I mean,
• 2:03:32
  most of it is fine. But I don't I disagree with with the initial
• 2:03:36
  premise that, uh, you know, it's I don't know, well,
• 2:03:42
  the truth is never really going to run out of steam, honestly, Like
• 2:03:45
  we're just you know, the men's issues and all this stuff that we talk
• 2:03:48
  about is just going to remain the wall in the distance that we that society
• 2:03:53
  is busy rocketing towards. You know, this is either society idea is going
• 2:04:00
  to recognize the issues that we talk about. Our people are going to start
• 2:04:02
  recognizing these general may mesions to society, but the institutions are going to start
• 2:04:06
  recognizing these issues that they talk about and start dealing with them honestly. And
• 2:04:12
  men and women are going to start honestly dealing with each other and stop indulging
• 2:04:17
  in this humiliation and this dance of humiliation. Or we're just you know,
• 2:04:24
  like we're not going to survive with this either or here. So either this
• 2:04:29
  stuff gets recognized by the general people and the pain becomes sufficient and before the
• 2:04:36
  despair takes over, they look over the chasm and see the light of what
• 2:04:41
  we're shining and say, oh, well, that looks like it could be
• 2:04:45
  a solution and actually come over to this side of the chasm, or they
• 2:04:50
  don't and they fall into it, and it's like that's I don't know what
• 2:04:55
  else we can do. You know, we got to keep the light shine,
• 2:05:00
  and we got to make sure people know that there is a place to
• 2:05:03
  go and that people are not gonna die if they just face their humiliation,
• 2:05:10
  you know, if they tear off their fig leaf. And I know that
• 2:05:12
  what we say is not going to be popular until that pain is at a
• 2:05:16
  level where men realize they got to face that humiliation and women realize they got
• 2:05:21
  to face that humiliation or there's not going to be a future. And I
• 2:05:27
  think that's really what keeps us out of the mainstream is that we're just like
• 2:05:31
  hanging out like the nudists. You know, we're just like, yeah,
• 2:05:34
  hi, we don't have any fig leaves, and everybody else is like,
• 2:05:39
  oh my god, Oh my god, I don't want to go over there.
• 2:05:44
  I don't like the na today. It's humiliating. Give me the extra
• 2:05:47
  strong fig leaves, you know. Like it's just it's gonna take. It's
• 2:05:51
  gonna take a lot for people to realize that they got to rip off their
• 2:05:56
  fig leaf and just go, oh nut, you're all you know, just
• 2:06:00
  just just accept our vulnerabilities to each other and grow and move beyond them.
• 2:06:05
  You know. It's just it's not a message that people want to hear because
• 2:06:09
  they still want to be terrified of being vulnerable and humiliated. Yeah, like
• 2:06:14
  they just still there. There was something interesting that one of my psychologists told
• 2:06:17
  me is that people will embrace fear. Humiliation is more painful to people than
• 2:06:26
  fear. So it's you know, you really got It takes a lot for
• 2:06:32
  people to face things that they find humiliating. And one of the things that
• 2:06:35
  people find humiliating is the vulnerability that men have to women and the vulnerability that
• 2:06:41
  women have to men, and they will flap feminism on that to hide it
• 2:06:46
  from themselves. And that's what we're doing. And as long as we do
• 2:06:48
  that, we're not going to make any progress. So there you go.
• 2:06:53
  Yep. Okay, So I got some super chows and a super chat and
• 2:06:59
  I think we're done. So let's do the super child's first. I got
• 2:07:03
  one from he's John Ceno, which is Richard Bier for five dollars, his
• 2:07:09
  name is John six and he says, what's the difference between the seat people
• 2:07:18
  and the Mongol Horde led by Genghis Khan? Again question okay, so that's
• 2:07:24
  one fielded for me and like that that sounds like my wheelhouse, all right.
• 2:07:30
  The Mongol Horde led by Genghis Khan, which I sometimes reference, is
• 2:07:32
  actually not really that accurate because the Mongol Horde is an external enemy. They
• 2:07:39
  don't regard the people, the women of the people that they conquer to be.
• 2:07:44
  They don't have a relationship with those women. They might end up with
• 2:07:46
  a relationship with those women, but they don't start with one, and they
• 2:07:51
  often just don't have the same attitude to the women of the people that they
• 2:07:58
  conquer as they would to their own women. Because, for example, I
• 2:08:01
  think it was Genghis Khan who actually had like he would conquer people, and
• 2:08:07
  then the leader of that people, he'd have his mother adopt them so that
• 2:08:09
  they would become brothers. So there was a lot of respect for women in
• 2:08:13
  that culture, but not necessarily if they were your enemy women, which is
• 2:08:18
  where you get a lot of the you know, the raping and the killing
• 2:08:20
  and etc. Is men towards women they don't regard as their women. But
• 2:08:28
  the difference between the Mongol Horde and the sea people is that the sea people
• 2:08:33
  are men who've realized that their society is the enemy. Okay, so their
• 2:08:41
  women are the enemy, so they will treat their women are supposedly the women
• 2:08:46
  that were supposed to be their women in their society at the same way that
• 2:08:52
  the Mongol Horde treats enemy women. They have decided that they are no longer
• 2:08:58
  part of the society that they grew up in and have become brigands and pirates
• 2:09:05
  and have developed their own culture separate from it because they've basically been pushed out
• 2:09:09
  of it because they have no way of establishing a relationship to it. And
• 2:09:15
  that's what happens when you have these harem societies. And all the women are
• 2:09:18
  wont to be in the harem because the harem is the safest place, it's
• 2:09:22
  the most consistent amount of food. But the only problem is that, you
• 2:09:26
  know, when you're not forming families, then you're not getting the most productive
• 2:09:31
  society. Like family formation encourages productivity. So eventually the productivity of your society
• 2:09:39
  declines and the men have no connection to it. And so what do they
• 2:09:43
  do, Well, they stop being farmers because they're not getting what they want
• 2:09:48
  out of it. They're not getting familier. And often, in the case
• 2:09:52
  of these harem societies, the farmers yields are taken entirely by the bureaucrats and
• 2:09:58
  put into the granaries and the harems. All right, So these farmers see
• 2:10:03
  this happening and they get only a little bit of an allotment of their own
• 2:10:07
  harvest, and they say, why the hell am I even part of the
• 2:10:09
  system anymore? I mean, I'm I'm doing all the work, I'm paying,
• 2:10:16
  all the taxes, and I'm getting absolutely nothing from it except maybe a
• 2:10:22
  meager existence. So I might as well just throw down my hole and pick
• 2:10:26
  up a spear and become a sea people, because at the very least I'm
• 2:10:30
  getting the stuff that I made myself back, you know. And that's the
• 2:10:37
  process, and that's sort of where we're going. I mean, like I
• 2:10:41
  said, Andrew Tait, is the final flaw flag before the sea people?
• 2:10:48
  Yeah, you know, it's it's the final flag before there is absolutely no
• 2:10:54
  relationship, no way for a man in our society to see him as in
• 2:11:01
  any kind of positive relationship with a woman at all. Like playboys the last
• 2:11:07
  one that feminists allow men. After that, there's none. And at that
• 2:11:11
  point when men realize there's absolutely no way in this society for me to have
• 2:11:16
  a positive relationship with a woman, what's their choice going to be? Are
• 2:11:20
  they going to continue to pay taxes? Are they gonna getting continue to see
• 2:11:26
  their harvests taken away and put into the Harem granary, you know? Or
• 2:11:31
  are they going to pick up a spar and say, you know what,
• 2:11:33
  fuck it? And honestly, at that point, we have no moral authority
• 2:11:39
  over them because we have told them that they are the enemy, and these
• 2:11:43
  young men have finally decided Yep, you're right, this society is my enemy.
• 2:11:46
  Yep we told it to them. Okay, okay, thank you for
• 2:11:52
  the super child. And then I got one from russhats no for ten dollars
• 2:11:58
  and says I've been rambling about the lack of discernment in the discussion of lonely
• 2:12:03
  males. Yes, males get lonely, but for a short time over the
• 2:12:07
  course of their lives. Males are very adaptive and may adapt to enjoy the
• 2:12:11
  solace over the conditions of the civilization that hold them in contempt with social land
• 2:12:16
  minds between the sexes. Look at the declining likelihood of men entering marriage after
• 2:12:22
  the age of thirty. Yeah, I mean, we've been talking about that
• 2:12:31
  too, And I mean I think that this antisocial setup that we have is
• 2:12:37
  not healthy for men or women, especially because we are learning that later in
• 2:12:43
  life. Women in particular are the very like regretful of their choices because then
• 2:12:50
  they're alone, they don't have any children they wish they did. And I
• 2:12:52
  don't really want that for people who really want that, you know, I
• 2:12:56
  think that, like we should, they should know the true ruth about reality
• 2:13:01
  so that they can make educated decisions about their life instead of going off of
• 2:13:05
  this agit prop that they're being bombarded with all the time. So well,
• 2:13:09
  yeah, and also like I don't think feminists really have anybody's best interest in
• 2:13:16
  interests in mine at all. Yeah, why are we listening to people who
• 2:13:18
  literally are anti human? Like they're at this point, it's hard not to
• 2:13:22
  conclude that, Yeah, yeah, exactly like feminism is are sort of being
• 2:13:26
  feminine is a patsy. Being man is a masculine is oppression. Like you've
• 2:13:31
  pretty much covered all humans. I guess the gender fluid Maybe that's why everybody
• 2:13:35
  wants to be gender fluid now, trying to get that. Yeah, they're
• 2:13:39
  trying to get out of that trap. The Yeah, okay, I do
• 2:13:43
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• 2:13:46
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• 2:13:56
  content, because again, nobody wants to rip off the fig leaf yep,
• 2:14:03
  and it's like it's very difficult sell. But you guys, every month you
• 2:14:07
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• 2:14:28
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  Bryan. All right, Well before this out, I do have one more
• 2:15:22
  super chat I want to read before final thoughts. So Dan Domino twenty five
• 2:15:26
  kisses four ninety nine and says I sent the FNT stream uh and rough time
• 2:15:33
  stamp to Badger Arcade account. Is that Twitter be warned they talk about single
• 2:15:39
  moms being that way because dad walked out. Well, I can't. I
• 2:15:43
  can't blame him for being misinformed because, as we've said on the show before,
• 2:15:46
  most people are misinformed on that, and mostly people FNT is Friday night
• 2:15:52
  Tights. It's basically like nerd Roddick and the I don't know what you call.
• 2:15:56
  Yeah, no, it's not it's walking out. It's not obviously not.
• 2:16:01
  It's it's the great society. It's women excluding them, it's it's well,
• 2:16:05
  it's not just bad, it's like women having children with men who never
• 2:16:09
  gave them any kind of commitment in the first place. Yeah, so they're
• 2:16:13
  not walking out, like so how people have to realize that you gotta let
• 2:16:20
  like, if you want a commitment, you have to let somebody make it,
• 2:16:24
  can't just assume it. And the other thing is that women, because
• 2:16:28
  of the welfare, they don't need commitment before they have children, and in
• 2:16:33
  fact, they're incentivized to have them without a commitment. Like this is welfare
• 2:16:37
  has been one of the worst social experiments on human nature. It's it's like
• 2:16:43
  awful, and nobody wants to take responsibility for it. And it couldn't have
• 2:16:48
  been you know. The thing is it could have been less bad if they
• 2:16:50
  hadn't been like, oh no, you can't have welfare if you have a
• 2:16:54
  a a a man in the home that you know, a able bodied man
• 2:17:01
  in the home. It's like that was destructive, Like even if even if
• 2:17:07
  the man isn't isn't working, he can still be of benefit to his children,
• 2:17:13
  right, And we we we stripped men from their children using welfare,
• 2:17:18
  and it destroyed people's futures, you know, And like, if you're gonna
• 2:17:24
  have welfare, at the very least, do it in a way that doesn't
• 2:17:26
  destroy people's futures. Okay, go ahead, but yeah, no, that
• 2:17:31
  no, that's it. I was just saying that, Like I said,
• 2:17:33
  you know, I have some sympathy for F and T because they don't know.
• 2:17:39
  I mean, they don't do what we do. They watch Star Wars
• 2:17:41
  and shit, so like, you know, they'll figure it out. Love,
• 2:17:45
  they'll figure it out eventually. Yeah, you have to understand, like
• 2:17:48
  we've all done this for years. Yeah, like we we can. We
• 2:17:52
  can quote chapter in verse, uh, like academic studies and political things that
• 2:18:01
  we've witnessed firsthand. You know, things are happening. A lot of people
• 2:18:07
  don't. They don't know how deep this rabbit hole goes. We do because
• 2:18:11
  we've been tumbling down it for like twenty Well I've been tumbling down for twenty
• 2:18:13
  years. Yeah, they's been tumbling down at for ten. Yeah, the
• 2:18:16
  average person doesn't know. So you know, I get it. Like I
• 2:18:20
  talked to people, like you know, people in my community and and they
• 2:18:26
  I was. I talked to one guy, he worked on my car,
• 2:18:28
  and you know, he has a wife and a daughter, and he said
• 2:18:33
  that he watches our show and that he knows who Pearl is and stuff,
• 2:18:37
  but he's not like there's still stuff that he hasn't wrapped his mind around yet.
• 2:18:41
  This stuff isn't easy. I mean, you know, it's not like
• 2:18:46
  I'm grateful that he's even open to listening, because like he says, he
• 2:18:50
  watches us and shout out to Will if you're watching. But like, well,
• 2:18:56
  this isn't difficult. Yeah, it's difficult, but like I think there
• 2:18:58
  are people it has to have the courage because it takes courage and it takes
• 2:19:05
  time sometimes time. Yeah, you have to be open and you have to
• 2:19:09
  be brave, especially because if you're a woman, you're gonna have to hear
• 2:19:13
  some stuff about you or your nature or people like you or whatever that you
• 2:19:16
  have never been exposed to because you have never been treated like an adult and
• 2:19:22
  so well. And also men, you don't have to be be willing to
• 2:19:24
  be exposed. It's something that can be potentially humiliating, just like women.
• 2:19:30
  Do you know this. There's a lot of pain behind what's happening today for
• 2:19:35
  both men and women, and it's it's it's difficult to get through. But
• 2:19:39
  the other thing is that a lot of the stuff we talk about is both
• 2:19:43
  very intimate and very abstract, and it's like when people are like, welly,
• 2:19:48
  you don't have the you don't have the reach of like guy entertained for
• 2:19:52
  a pole. You don't know, it's like, well, yes, because
• 2:19:54
  we're talking. We're talking like calculus, right, They're they're talking. Addition,
• 2:20:01
  there's not a lot of people who are going to be able to just
• 2:20:05
  sit with what we are saying and try to understand it. It's it's more
• 2:20:11
  difficult. I think that what we're talking about is on this radio is difficult
• 2:20:18
  stuff. It takes a while to just be like and saying, wrap your
• 2:20:24
  mind around it, let it happen. And it's even more hard because it's
• 2:20:28
  it's ripping the fig leaf off. You have to open yourself up to things
• 2:20:33
  that are sort of humiliating, and nobody likes that. And for whatever reason,
• 2:20:37
  you know, me, Brian, Karen Hannah, doctor random Er,
• 2:20:41
  Kim Lauren prim and all the others, we're just I guess we're just okay
• 2:20:46
  with it, just hanging out and being naked, you know, we're just
• 2:20:50
  over that somehow, for some reason in our minds just don't aren't as bothered
• 2:20:54
  by it. But for a lot of people, it is bothersome and you
• 2:20:58
  know that's where they're at. But it's it means that we are not going
• 2:21:01
  to have the same kind of reach as other people like Andrew Tate, who's
• 2:21:07
  still who still talks about these issues but hasn't torn the fig leaf off,
• 2:21:13
  if that makes sense. And I don't know where Pearl's going. I mean,
• 2:21:18
  Pearl mostly focuses on women, so and I literally I think that's what
• 2:21:24
  Pearl is doing. She's just going amongst the women and being like, I
• 2:21:28
  Yinka, you don't need that for the women are just like just like screaming.
• 2:21:33
  They're like, oh my god. Yeah, Like sometimes you gotta take
• 2:21:37
  something away from someone and then they're like, why did you do that?
• 2:21:41
  And then you explain like they don't know that it's something that can be taken
• 2:21:45
  away, yes, yeah, yeah, okay, or that they don't deserve
• 2:21:50
  and that they should be and maybe treating a little bit more respect. I'm
• 2:21:54
  gonna be honest, Like, there's one thing that Philip said that was very
• 2:22:00
  true. Women don't need feminism to get what they need from men, right,
• 2:22:07
  you know, honestly, gratitude and a sense of mutual benefit. We'll
• 2:22:16
  get them a lot further than what feminism does. Okay, Feminism is much
• 2:22:24
  more useful on It's less useful for the individual and more useful for the social
• 2:22:31
  system that feminism is supporting, is what I'm going to say. So women
• 2:22:35
  are much better off without it, and you don't need it, Okay,
• 2:22:41
  Like women have, We're granted by mother nature with everything they needed to get
• 2:22:46
  what they need from men and also give men what they need, so it
• 2:22:52
  all works out. You can just chill out. You don't need the fig
• 2:22:54
  leaf, all right. That's it, all right, So we can wrap
• 2:22:56
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• 2:23:22
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• 2:23:26
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• 2:23:30
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