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Fair Territory: 1st place Pads, Astros lose Hader, Streaking Brewers · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal here with Alana Rizzo, and before we get
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  Speaker 1: into it, I want to thank our co host the
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  Speaker 1: last week while I was off, Robert Murray and Tim Kirchin,
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  Speaker 1: and most of all, I want to thank Olana because
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  Speaker 1: in any business you want to work with true pros.
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  Speaker 1: Alana is a true pro. I am grateful that she
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  Speaker 1: is my partner here. Now we can get into things,
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  Speaker 1: and we can get into Alana's former team, but we're
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  Speaker 1: not going to start with.
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  Speaker 2: Them, all right, Can you start with the Dodgers?
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  Speaker 3: It was great, Yeah, it was. It was great to
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  Speaker 3: be with Robert and Tim. But I'm so happy that
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  Speaker 3: you are back and you're right. Let's get to the
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  Speaker 3: lead and those mighty mighty Brewers.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on.
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  Speaker 4: It's impressive obviously what they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: And let's go through the numbers first and just explain
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  Speaker 1: where they are in terms of the division, the races.
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  Speaker 1: All of that twelve game winning streak twenty seven of
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  Speaker 1: thirty one, they've won twenty seven of thirty one. They
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  Speaker 1: have the best record in baseball by six and a
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  Speaker 1: half games, By six and a half games, they're on
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  Speaker 1: a one hundred and three win pace, and you wonder
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  Speaker 1: how the offense works. We're gonna show you two different
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  Speaker 1: full screens here to explain just what they do. Runs
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  Speaker 1: per game right now, they are tied for first in
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  Speaker 1: the majors.
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  Speaker 4: With the Dodgers. It's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Batting average, second on base second, slugging fourteenth. Why is
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  Speaker 1: the slugging fourteenth, Well, let's look at the next graphic here,
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  Speaker 1: and this explains it. Home runs per game, they're nineteenth.
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  Speaker 4: In the majors.
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  Speaker 1: But what do they do well everything else? Strikeout rate
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  Speaker 1: twenty six, one of the best teams in the majors
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  Speaker 1: in that regard outs on the basis, that's whatob is.
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  Speaker 1: How many outs do they make on the bases twenty
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  Speaker 1: six in the majors. Fifth, best extra base taking percentage,
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  Speaker 1: that's the last category. Extra base taking percentage fourth in
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  Speaker 1: the majors. So all of these little things that they
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  Speaker 1: do so well, as Brian Reynolds of the Pirates said yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: they just do every thing right. In addition, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of they pitch great. They're third in the majors in era,
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  Speaker 1: eighth in strikeout rate. They've got it all going and
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  Speaker 1: it's really interesting to me that they're doing this in
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  Speaker 1: a sport in which what's valued right now power velocity,
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  Speaker 1: pitch velocity, exit velocity.
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  Speaker 4: They don't necessarily have that.
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  Speaker 1: They have it to a degree on the pitching staff,
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  Speaker 1: but that is not the way they go about it,
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  Speaker 1: and they're shaming the entire sport doing it their own way,
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  Speaker 1: a fundamentally sound way, and you'll wonder why more teams
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  Speaker 1: don't follow suit. And there's one more point I want
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  Speaker 1: to make on the Brewers.
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  Speaker 4: We talk about small market.
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  Speaker 1: Teams, how they can't win, they can't sustain success. Brewers
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  Speaker 1: make the playoffs this year, which they are bound to do.
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  Speaker 1: It will be their seventh playoff appearance in eight years.
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  Speaker 1: And you'll say, oh, Camp, but they haven't won a
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  Speaker 1: World Series. That is not the measure. The measure is
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  Speaker 1: getting to the playoffs and then hopefully in any case
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  Speaker 1: but big market, small market, being lucky enough to put
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  Speaker 1: it together, healthy enough to sustain three or four rounds.
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  Speaker 4: That's how this sport works.
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  Speaker 1: And they are doing it at a higher level than
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  Speaker 1: any other club and.
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  Speaker 3: Ken because of the way that they're doing it, they
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  Speaker 3: may go in as a division winner and not have
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  Speaker 3: to go in as a wildcard team, which they have
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  Speaker 3: been exited.
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  Speaker 2: Early the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 3: How big would that be for them to go in
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  Speaker 3: as a division winner, perhaps a host in the first
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  Speaker 3: round and not have to go the wildcard route.
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  Speaker 1: It's big for any team, Alana, and obviously it's something
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  Speaker 1: all these teams strive for. And we're going to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the Dodgers and Padres in a second. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: the two teams with the buys in the National League
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  Speaker 1: would be the Brewers and the Phillies. And of course
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  Speaker 1: you skip around, you get a buye into the division series.
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  Speaker 4: You're in great shape if you do that.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise you're subjected to what you just mentioned. What the
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  Speaker 1: Brewers have dealt with the wildcard round, all the problems
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  Speaker 1: that can ensue in a two of three. So they
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  Speaker 1: have done this again at an extremely high level. And
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  Speaker 1: I want to also mention the Blue Jays here before
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  Speaker 1: we get into the Dodgers and Padres, because the Blue
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  Speaker 1: Jays do a lot of similar things. They don't strike out,
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  Speaker 1: lowest strikeout rate in the majors, high batting average, high
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  Speaker 1: on base they slug a little bit more than the Brewers,
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  Speaker 1: but they too, are a fairly fundamentally sound team, and
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  Speaker 1: it is showing in the American League East what they've
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  Speaker 1: done there. They've played at an extremely high level all
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  Speaker 1: season long, much like their friends in Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like the NL West.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be a two horse
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  Speaker 3: race ken between the Brewers and the Cubs. Right now
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  Speaker 3: it looks like the Brewers are pulling away, and it's
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  Speaker 3: a much tighter race.
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  Speaker 2: In the NL West.
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  Speaker 3: The Padres have leapfrogged the Los Angeles Dodgers. The Dodgers
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  Speaker 3: are now in second place. The Padres are playing tremendously well,
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  Speaker 3: and they will face off six times in the next
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  Speaker 3: ten days.
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  Speaker 1: They will Alana, And let's show you exactly how this
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  Speaker 1: has transpired over the.
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  Speaker 4: Last six weeks. It's actually been one day less.
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  Speaker 1: Than six weeks in which this whole thing has turned.
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  Speaker 1: July third n West standings, Dodgers fifty six and thirty two,
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  Speaker 1: a nine game lead over the Padres. Today, it is
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  Speaker 1: a ten game swing in a span of forty one days,
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  Speaker 1: including the All Star break San Diego sixty nine and
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  Speaker 1: fifty two. The Dodgers one game back at sixty eight
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  Speaker 1: and fifty three. That's as rapid a turnaround as you
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  Speaker 1: will see. And Alta, We've been talking about this all year.
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  Speaker 1: The one thing that has bugged me about the Dodgers,
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  Speaker 1: and I understand it because they're coming off a deep
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  Speaker 1: run into the postseason, a World Series title, but there's
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  Speaker 1: been an overall lack of urgency. They've slow played injuries,
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  Speaker 1: they've kind of just drifted along without putting down the hammer.
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  Speaker 1: Now again, you had injuries coming off of the World
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  Speaker 1: Series title, Blake Tryan and Evan Phillips, others who were
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  Speaker 1: worn down from that, and you have, naturally this kind
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  Speaker 1: of letdown every team experiences. It's, let's face it, old
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  Speaker 1: hat for the Dodgers to make the playoffs, but at
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  Speaker 1: some point, at some point, they've got to turn it on. Now,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's as you mentioned, these six games in the
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  Speaker 1: next ten days against San Diego, first at Dodger Stadium,
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  Speaker 1: then at Petco Park. But you wonder if the Dodgers
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  Speaker 1: will be able to do that. And you've got with
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  Speaker 1: the Padres a team that has shown urgency, a team
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  Speaker 1: that acted with far greater urgency at the deadline. We
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  Speaker 1: saw what aj Preller did. He basically fixed every weekness
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  Speaker 1: they had. So yes, the Dodgers are going to get
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  Speaker 1: Tanner Scott and Kirby Yates and Michael Kopek back. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but what level are they going to pitch at and
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  Speaker 1: is everyone else going to stay healthy? We just saw
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  Speaker 1: Brock Stewart go down. He just got there. So this
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing. If I'm the Dodgers, I'm a little
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  Speaker 1: alarmed right now. And if I'm Dave Roberts, I'm saying, guys,
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  Speaker 1: it's time to go. They should know that. I understand that,
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  Speaker 1: but it is time for them to go. And on
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  Speaker 1: the other hand, the Padres all the credit in the
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  Speaker 1: world what they've done offensively, the moves that they've made
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  Speaker 1: with Loriano and O'Hearn and Freddy for meen transformed the offense, made.
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  Speaker 4: It much deeper. And of course the bullpen is utterly ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: It's disgusting.
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  Speaker 3: It was the best bullpen in baseball before they even
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  Speaker 3: added Mason Miller. Now, the Padres haven't won the division,
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  Speaker 3: Ken you know this since two thousand and six. Is
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  Speaker 3: this the year that it changes? Do the Padres win
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  Speaker 3: the NL West or do the Dodgers get it together?
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  Speaker 1: If I had to bet right now. I would bet
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  Speaker 1: the Padres. I just like everything that is going on
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  Speaker 1: with them, the way they are going about it, the
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  Speaker 1: way they're playing, just the overall vibe, for lack of
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  Speaker 1: a better phrase, Dennis Lynn and the Athletic Today explains
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  Speaker 1: by the numbers, just how the Padres have done this
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  Speaker 1: in less than six weeks. I'm curious to your opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think the Dodgers can win this division as
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  Speaker 1: they've done so many times over the last decade.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you that I don't think that
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  Speaker 3: they've gotten any sort of positive traction the entire length
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  Speaker 3: of the season. Can we are very close to what
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  Speaker 3: thirty games left in the year thirty thirty five something
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  Speaker 3: like that. There's not been these amazing streaks of time
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  Speaker 3: in which the Dodgers have rattled off, you know, nine
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  Speaker 3: ten eleven wins straight, like what the Brewers are doing
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  Speaker 3: right now. And I know that they keep saying that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, everybody's not healthy. As long as the Dodgers
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  Speaker 3: are healthy to the key components at the right time,
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  Speaker 3: which is the end of the season going into October,
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  Speaker 3: you know, end of September going into October, I do
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  Speaker 3: believe that they win the division again, but it's not
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  Speaker 3: going to be by a very comfortable margin. We're not
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  Speaker 3: going to see a ten eleven game cushion. And I
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  Speaker 3: honestly think whatever happens in the next six games with
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  Speaker 3: the Padres determines the division entirely. So if they win
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  Speaker 3: these next two series, then I think they win the division.
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  Speaker 3: If the Padres win the next two series, I think
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  Speaker 3: San Diego wins its first inn Al West title since
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  Speaker 3: two thousand and six.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll just add one more thing. I'll believe the
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers are going to be healthy and reasonably full strength
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  Speaker 1: when I see it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you and me both, Yeah, you and me both.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're getting healthy. They're coming back. They're coming back.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 3: from the NL West Ken to the AL West and
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  Speaker 3: the Houston Astros. I don't know how this team continues
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  Speaker 3: to be a top of the division almost every single
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  Speaker 3: year despite losing a lot of key pieces to their
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  Speaker 3: starting rotation Alex Bregman as well as Kyle Tucker. How
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  Speaker 3: are they doing this?
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  Speaker 1: And then you're Don Alvarez in early May. We have
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  Speaker 1: not seen him. It's amazing what they've done. And yes,
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  Speaker 1: Christian Javier and Spencer Araghetti are back in the rotation.
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  Speaker 4: It's a great thing for the Astros.
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  Speaker 1: But the news on Josh Hater is rather disturbing, to
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  Speaker 1: say the least. Joe's spot is saying yesterday it looks
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  Speaker 1: like it's going to be more than two weeks because
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  Speaker 1: of that shoulder. It just does not sound good here.
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  Speaker 1: And if it's more than two weeks, then we're looking
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  Speaker 1: at the end of August, assuming he is actually all
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  Speaker 1: right to pitch. Even at that point, then he has
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  Speaker 1: to build up again. So will we see Josh Hater
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  Speaker 1: again this season? At this point that is a legitimate question. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the Mariners had their eight game winning streak end yesterday
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  Speaker 1: in Baltimore. But they made the two big moves of
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  Speaker 1: the deadline, Naylor, who has been great, Suarez eh okay,
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  Speaker 1: and they also have a pitching staff that we've been
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  Speaker 1: talking about for years that is capable of doing big things.
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  Speaker 1: To me, you've got to slay the Giant, and what
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  Speaker 1: I mean by that is you've got to prove you
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  Speaker 1: can beat the Astros and overtake them in a division
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  Speaker 1: race before we really believe that the Mariners are that team.
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  Speaker 1: But they are positioned to do that. It's just the
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  Speaker 1: Astros have this way about them and even if Hater
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  Speaker 1: is down, obviously it's compromising their bullpen.
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  Speaker 4: If that's the case.
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  Speaker 1: In a long term sense, Brian A. Brady proves he
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  Speaker 1: can close, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 4: He'll do that.
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  Speaker 1: He did it last night. But everybody gets moved up
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  Speaker 1: a notch. It becomes more difficult, as Eric Kratz pointed
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  Speaker 1: out on Foul Territory yesterday, to go back to back
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  Speaker 1: days and close out games because your A guys are used,
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  Speaker 1: your A relievers are used in the first game, and
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  Speaker 1: you might not have them for the second or the third,
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  Speaker 1: whatever the case might be.
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  Speaker 4: It's a difficult spot.
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  Speaker 1: They're in without Hater, assuming it's going to be that
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  Speaker 1: way for some time, but I would still pick them
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  Speaker 1: until proven otherwise.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the Hater loss, obviously is a
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  Speaker 3: huge loss. I'd be surprised if we saw Josh Hayter
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  Speaker 3: back with the Astros, certainly in this regular season. Much
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  Speaker 3: more to come on Fair Territory with Ken Rosenthal. It
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: so great to have Ken back, of course on his show.
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  Speaker 3: Next we're going to have Grill and Ken, So get
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  Speaker 3: That's a fair territory as time now for Grill and
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  Speaker 3: Ken an opportunity for you to ask Can Rosenthal some questions.
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  Speaker 3: The first question is, in regards to you, Ken, whether
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  Speaker 3: you believe in peaking too early? Are the Brewers peaking
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  Speaker 3: too early?
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  Speaker 1: It's a fair question, right, because the Brewers are so
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  Speaker 1: incredibly hot, you wonder if they can sustain it, and
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  Speaker 1: the answer is they probably cannot. Just that the Detroit
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  Speaker 1: Tigers earlier this season could not sustain what they were doing.
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  Speaker 1: The better question is which teams will be hot in
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  Speaker 1: October going into October? And that is when this matters. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: some teams have had recent success, the Texas Rangers in
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  Speaker 1: and then they got hot once the playoffs started. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that the teams that were talking about
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers the Brewers can peak too early. They're good
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  Speaker 1: and they're going to be good, but how can they
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  Speaker 1: sustain it and how can they regenerate themselves coming into October?
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  Speaker 4: That's going to be the question.
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  Speaker 1: What I like about the Brewers in this regard is
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  Speaker 1: they are such a strong pitching staff and with Miserowski back,
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  Speaker 1: presumably at some point they're going to be a dangerous
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  Speaker 1: team in October. With Peralta Missowski, Brandon Woodriff doing what
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  Speaker 1: he's doing, Quinn Priester, they've got a really good group
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  Speaker 1: going right now. So I like that about them a lot.
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  Speaker 1: They've got depth to in the pitching, so that's going
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  Speaker 1: to be there. The offense can do what it's doing
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  Speaker 1: right now, I don't know, but certainly they will drive
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  Speaker 1: teams crazy, And I was thinking about this today. Let's
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  Speaker 1: say the Brewers played the Yankees in the World Series.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say it was this year's Brewers against last year's Yankees.
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  Speaker 1: Those Brewers, these Brewers would have driven the Yankees' batty
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  Speaker 1: much like the Dodgers did. And they're going to do
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  Speaker 1: that to other teams as well. So I am anxious
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  Speaker 1: to see how they look come the postseason.
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  Speaker 3: Ken, Is this the best use of a twenty six
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  Speaker 3: man roster? What Pat Murphy and mark on Tanasio in
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  Speaker 3: the front office and the coaching staff is doing right now?
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  Speaker 2: They're getting a lot out of a lot of guys.
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  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Alana, And it really extends beyond twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: They've got guys in the miners who have contributed, Chad Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: Logan Henderson, and they're not even on the major league
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  Speaker 1: team right now. So what they have done, with a
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  Speaker 1: piecemeal budget and just a lot of different elements is
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  Speaker 1: build what is almost an ideal team. When I say team,
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean a collection of individuals, a group that
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  Speaker 1: works together, cohesively and is all committed to the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what the key thing to me is with them.
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  Speaker 1: They have an ethic about them, a way about them
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  Speaker 1: in which there's not much ego. They are all pulling
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  Speaker 1: in the same direction, and it's a team concept. The
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  Speaker 1: way they offensively go about it is a team concept.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just guys swinging for the fences. It's one
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  Speaker 1: guy doing this, the next guy doing that, going first
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  Speaker 1: to third, sacrifice, moving runner, all these different things that
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  Speaker 1: they do. And they will hit for power at times
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: as well. So from that perspective, they're gonna be a
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: difficult team to beat in the postseason.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: Tommy Losorda used to say that everybody should be pulling
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: on the same side of the rope. That is the
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five Milwaukee Brewers. Okay, on your article Ken
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: recently about Mason Miller, obviously we know that he's part
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: of that unbelievable uh Padres bullpen. But Armand wants to
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: know were when you're talking about the Mets being in
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: as one of the teams, would the Mets just have
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: gotten Miller back, or would have JP Sears or any
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: other a starter been a part of the package.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Armand That's a good question, and unfortunately it's one I
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: did not ask. I was just more concerned about whether
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: they were in on Miller and how seriously they were
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: in on Miller, And they were, and the way I
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: reported it was that they were perhaps the most serious
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: team after San Diego. They had extensive discussions about this.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I would imagine at some point Sears came up because
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: he came up in the other discussions with the Padres,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: and the Mets certainly needed a starter as well. I
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: don't know that JP Sears would have been the answer.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Padres already have demoted him to the minor leagues. But
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: to answer your question, I don't know because I didn't
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: ask and Armand I should have asked.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Maybe Armand can be an apprentice with you one day
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: and just kind of like follow you around Ken, maybe
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: he can ask some questions.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: He's had some good questions here on Grill and Ken. Likelihood.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: As we talked about earlier of the Padres.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Winning the NL West, what is the likelihood of the
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Mariners winning the AL West or do you think it
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: still needs to be Houston. You got to slay that
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: beast as you were talking about.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as I mentioned before, to me, that's the whole
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: thing here.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Houston is the team that.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Has been at the top of that division most of
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: the last decade, and I don't see that changing until
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: it changes.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: Right now. It's kind of a cop out answer, I
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: get it.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: But to me, as I just said, you've got to
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: slay the dragon, you've got to knock them out, and
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: you gotta do it, it's kind of like what the
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Padres have to do with the Dodgers, and there's something there.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: So I would go with Houston until proven otherwise.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this before we go to break.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: By the way, Duden, Dork of the Week is next.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: I don't believe the Padres are scared of the Dodgers
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: at all. Are the Mariners intimidated by the Astros?
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: I don't believe.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: So.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know that it's the same thing as the
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Padres and Dodgers, because the Padres in their minds, had
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers beat last year, and they knocked them out
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: a couple of years before that. Now, granted, the Dodgers
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: came back and won the Division series down two to
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: one in San Diego. We all know what happened. But
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: the Padres burn from what happened. They believe that they
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: were the better team, and certainly now if you look
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: at their roster, they have every right to believe they
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: are on equal, if not greater footing than the Dodgers.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: The Mariners Astros thing is a little bit different because
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: the Mariners have been more of a little brother, I guess,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: so to speak. But they have shown this year that
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: they can win in Houston, and they've.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: Shown that they can beat the Astros.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: So I don't know that it's that kind of thing
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: where they're scared of them or intimidated by them. It's
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: just a matter of which team is better.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you ask any Dodger fan or player, even Dave Roberts.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: The Potteris were the toughest team they faced in the
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: postseason all of last year. All Right, we're gonna come
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: back with Dude and Dork of the Week. Right after
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• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Dude, dude, dude.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Time for due to the week with Ken Rosenthal. Who
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: do you have this week? Ken?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Well, I know we've been talking about them all morning, Alana,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: but how can we pick anyone but the Milwaukee Brewers,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: winners of twelve straight got free burgers for the good
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: citizens of Milwaukee by doing that, And it's just to
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: me a lesson for the entire sport what they've done. Frankly,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: it's embarrassing the rest of the sport.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: What they've done.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: And there is so much to learn here. There is
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: so much that people can look at and say, oh, okay,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: we can do it like that.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: You see the twelve straight wins.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: The George Web restaurants are going to have to I
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: don't know what they're going to have to do, but
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Brewers are dudes of the week.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Milwaukee Brewers have single handedly put the George
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Web restaurants out of business. I'm getting congratulations to the Brewers,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: and good on you, George Web for feeding your community.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: My dude of the week is a dudet It is Jen.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Powell, of course, becoming the first female Major league baseball umpire.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Congratulations to her. That was well earned.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, she's had to toil through the minor leagues,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: just as all umpires have had to do, obviously paying
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: her dues. Great to see her becoming the first Empire
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: ever to do a regular season Major league game. Of course,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: the game between the Marlins and the Braves, and I
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: don't want to hear it about the call. Every single
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: person in their first major league baseball game doesn't have
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: a perfect umpiring scorecard. Just yesterday, Stebe Bugner missed seven
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: calls in the first inning. So congratulations to Jen Powell.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Hopefully the first of many. Okay, time now for dork
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: of the week, Ken, who do you have?
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: All right? Alta, we haven't talked about this yet, and
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: in any other week, when maybe less things were happening
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: or fewer things were happening.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: We'd be talking big time about this.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: The pole Ad family for deciding to keep the twins
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: instead of selling them.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: They're the dorks of the week, and they're the dorks of.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: The week, not for that decision in a vacuum. They're
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: the dorks of the week because of what has happened
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: in the last several years with this team, how they've
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: cut payroll, how they essentially oversaw a fire sale at
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the deadline, how they brought this team down from a
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: pretty high perch, and yet because they couldn't get their price,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: they said, you know what, We're not going to do
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: this and I want one more thing out there. At
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: least from my perspective on this particular issue, you're going
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: to hear as we get closer to the CBA talks that, well,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: we need a salary cap because owners aren't getting enough
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: money for their teams. Franchise values are not what they
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: should be. It's not on the players to get the
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: franchise values higher. Players are doing a good enough job
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: just by performing on the field. That's what they're supposed
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: So you want to make an argument for a salary gap,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: don't make that argument.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: At least to me, it's weak. And for the Pole
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Ads to kind of just bawl on this sale and
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: do what the Nationals and Angels have done reverse course
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: after putting the team on the market, it's bad news
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: for the fans of Minnesota, and that's who we should
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: care about the most.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: That is exactly what I was going to ask you
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: in terms of the reverse actions here. How similar is
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: this situation with the Twins to Artie Moreno, with the
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Angels and the group with the Nationals trying to sell
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: and then deciding not to and then perhaps we will
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: and then maybe we're not.
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: Are there similarities in this It's difficult to say without
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: knowing the particulars, Alana, but the similarity seems to be
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: they're not getting the prices they wanted.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe they're asking too much. I don't know. It's
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: not something that we're privy to. But the Twins were
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: pretty clearly in search of one point seven billion, and
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: the minority investors coming.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: In as the Athletic reporter.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Today the valuation is above one point seven billion, So
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: at that level they.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Could get it.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: They just couldn't get the whole chunk, I would imagine.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: And again, each situation is different. But maybe owners should
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: not be looking for X when they're only getting Why.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unbelievable one point seven billion for the Minnesota Twins.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: My dork of the week as the couple that decided
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: to get married in between a ballgame with the eph
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Guardians a guaranteed rate field. Not only to me personally,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: is it bad enough to have a JumboTron proposal, but
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: how about a wedding in the middle of a game?
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know, in between innings. I mean, honestly, I
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: don't know about this. That's not for me, but I
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: guess I don't know. Happy marriage is that? And my
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: old lady yelling at clouds I don't know?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: This to me is so tacky.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: I can only speak to my own personal situation.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: My wife would not have gone for such a stunt.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Not the proposal, the wedding, not the ballpark, not any
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: To me, it is so unoriginal.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: I obviously she has I would imagine she is a
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: large baseball fan, or she probably would have put the
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: kebash on this whole situation and the whole thought of
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: doing this. But in between I mean that that is
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: a rushed wedding, right, talk about shotgun wedding. You only
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: have in between innings, Like there's a pitchclock, Like, guys
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: gotta get on the mound and throw and throw the
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: baseball cain like do you I do?
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Do you sure?
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Great? Go back to your seats and have a hot talk.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Hey.
• 25:30
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• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Ken.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: There was an interesting article from Tyler Kepner talking about
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Pete Alonso and what he means to the New York Mets.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Should Steve Cohen and the Mets sign this man up
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: for a lifetime contract to retire as a Met.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm experiencing deja fulana. We were having
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: this conversation last year at this time, and it's going
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to be a very similar conversation this offseason.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Alonso has an opt out.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: He's going to opt out as he should and explore
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the market again. He wants to be a Met. The
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Mets wanted to stay with the Mets. The question is
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: will they pay him what he wants, what he thinks
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: is appropriate. With his agent, Scott boris Now, Pete said
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: the other day after breaking the team's franchise home run record,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: that it's on Steve Cohen and David Stearns, and I
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: know what he meant. He meant it's got to start
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: with them wanting him. But ultimately this is a negotiation
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: between the two parties. And what happened last year, it
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: dragged on and on and on because they could not
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: agree on Pete's future value, and it's.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Going to be very similar.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: He's a year older now, and heaven forbid a player
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: turned thirty in this day and age, but that's what happens,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and teams look at that. And while he should be
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: a Met forever, the question is going to be how
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: much is that going to cost the Mets. If it's
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: going to cost them in Scott Boris's mind, I'm just
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: throwing this number out six years, two hundred and ten million.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: It's thirty five a year. Mets are probably going to
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: say no.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: If they can get to some lower number that both
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: sides find acceptable, Yeah, it'll happen, But I don't know
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: that it's going to be easy because the same dynamics
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: are in place.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Anything for a price, right, it just has to be
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: the right price point for both sides of the equation. Okay,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: you have on Fox on Saturday, the Cardinals versus the Yankees.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: I'm not certain that that one is a barn burner
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: in terms of a fourth place team going up against
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: a third place team in the New York Yankees. But
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: what are you hoping ken to see from this matchup
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: this upcoming Saturday.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just really interested to see the Yankees and are
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: they going to come out of it. They had a
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: decent series against the Twins, winning two of three, but
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: they have to at some point somewhat like the Dodgers
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: turn it on again, and they've been unable to do that,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and maybe they will be unable to do that.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: So that's what I'll be looking.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: At and focusing on here, just where the Yankees are,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: the way they're playing, how it's all coming together for them.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: One guy we should mention, gian Carlos Stanton. It's kind
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: of amazing to me, Alana, how he's turned it around
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: both with his career in some respects and with the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: fan base.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Suddenly he's appreciated in New York.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Anthony Baldi, Austin Wells and all the other beleaguered Yankees.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Aaron Boom, there's hope for you all.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: One day they want to send you to the moon,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: the next day they're over having you over for Cannoli's.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: That's gonna do it for us.
• 28:53
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