Latest / 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast / 22 Panels Episode #226 - Bowling with Corpses

Transcript

22 Panels Episode #226 - Bowling with Corpses · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:02
  Tad Eggleston: Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to 22 Panels. This is episode 226, where hopefully this time we'll actually manage to talk about bowling with
• 0:11
  Tad Eggleston: Corpses of… Fingers crossed. Yeah, yeah, across the interwebs?
• 0:16
  Phil: Excuse me.
• 0:17
  Tad Eggleston: is Phil?
• 0:18
  Tad Eggleston: Stuck to the wall.
• 0:20
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, how you doing, Phil?
• 0:23
  Phil: I'm doing alright. You know, I'm pretty chipper this morning. I feel like I have… have balanced the…
• 0:32
  Phil: horrors of… of the world with, you know, with still… still staying in a good mood. Antidepressants working overtime.
• 0:40
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I'm glad you've pulled that off. I feel like I've been…
• 0:46
  Tad Eggleston: Either… either in a daze or crying all week. Yeah.
• 0:51
  Phil: That's understandable. I mean, it's… it's… it's one of those where… I mean, don't get me wrong, there's still absolutely…
• 0:59
  Phil: the phrase World War III goes bouncing around in my head way more than.
• 1:02
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and that's actually… I was telling Kelly just yesterday that that's actually a big part of it for me, you know?
• 1:09
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:10
  Tad Eggleston: a couple kids that I work with, they're not… not ones that I'm particularly close to, like, not because I wouldn't be, but because, like, it just hasn't lined up that way.
• 1:21
  Tad Eggleston: But… I remember… last year.
• 1:26
  Tad Eggleston: when he was elected, they were the two people who I was around that were.
• 1:31
  Tad Eggleston: most… visibly happy about it. Ugh. The following morning.
• 1:37
  Phil: That sucks.
• 1:38
  Tad Eggleston: Well, but it was driven by, like, completely driven by, and this was a big thing in the manosphere, and something that Vance in particular, but Trump himself as well, fed in the manosphere. Yeah.
• 1:53
  Tad Eggleston: they were utterly convinced that if Kamala was president, we were going to World War III, and they were going to be drafted and have to go to war. And with Trump as president, they didn't have to worry about that. And even at the time, I was biting my tongue, going.
• 2:07
  Phil: Well, about that, guys? About that.
• 2:10
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, no, because he won't manage to end Ukraine.
• 2:15
  Phil: No, of course not.
• 2:16
  Tad Eggleston: Well, but in my head, I'm sitting there going, the only way he could possibly manage to end Ukraine is in total capitulation to Russia, in which case Ukraine will become Poland, or whatever.
• 2:29
  Phil: Sure.
• 2:29
  Tad Eggleston: And if you think for a second that we won't wind up escalating the Middle East under Trump.
• 2:38
  Tad Eggleston: like…
• 2:41
  Tad Eggleston: And that just… I mean, this is… this is more what kind of a week has it been? So, I mean, we'll get to that.
• 2:47
  Phil: linked.
• 2:48
  Tad Eggleston: later, but… What kind of a life example? Yeah, yeah.
• 2:52
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, so, I mean, I bit my tongue, and I hoped they were right for…
• 2:57
  Tad Eggleston: Something else, and
• 2:59
  Tad Eggleston: I still hope that they're right, you know? A family member floated the idea that all of this would end when
• 3:07
  Tad Eggleston: when Iran agrees to pay $10 billion to be part of the border of peace, and I'm sitting there going.
• 3:13
  Phil: No.
• 3:15
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I'm sitting there going, I mean, I hope?
• 3:19
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that would be terrible, but at least, like… I mean, that's, like, a best-case scenario.
• 3:25
  Phil: Yeah, I mean, well… I, I, I…
• 3:30
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think it's gonna happen!
• 3:32
  Phil: I have… I have much less realistic scenarios.
• 3:34
  Tad Eggleston: And it's horrible!
• 3:36
  Phil: Yeah, I know. It's…
• 3:38
  Tad Eggleston: I'm not saying it's a good outcome. No, I know what you mean, you just think it's…
• 3:43
  Phil: You think it's the best of the most likely outcomes?
• 3:49
  Tad Eggleston: No, I don't even think it's the best of the most likely outcomes, because I don't think it's a likely outcome.
• 3:53
  Phil: I see, I see, okay.
• 3:54
  Tad Eggleston: I think it's better than any likely outcome. I think it's miles better than any likely outcome I can come up with.
• 4:02
  Phil: Yeah. Yeah. I mean… it's…
• 4:06
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, seriously, let's, let's just think… impure…
• 4:12
  Phil: I, I was just, I was just about to take a second and say that I, I try not to.
• 4:17
  Tad Eggleston: Global World War.
• 4:20
  Phil: Yeah, yeah. I try not to speculate too far into that direction.
• 4:24
  Tad Eggleston: Or…
• 4:29
  Tad Eggleston: rampant… Out of the open corruption.
• 4:34
  Tad Eggleston: Which is worse.
• 4:38
  Phil: I mean, the… Glibly, why not both?
• 4:43
  Phil: Because that's what we're…
• 4:44
  Tad Eggleston: No, I totally want both to go away.
• 4:47
  Phil: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, I also meant both are… both are kind of happening right now.
• 4:51
  Tad Eggleston: But in terms of the…
• 4:54
  Phil: Had to choose one or the other, yeah.
• 4:57
  Phil: Yeah, naturally.
• 4:59
  Tad Eggleston: Among… among outcomes that seem even remotely possible.
• 5:05
  Phil: Yeah.
• 5:07
  Tad Eggleston: Can you think of one that's real… I mean…
• 5:10
  Tad Eggleston: Trump… Trump has a heart attack.
• 5:13
  Tad Eggleston: Walks in front of a bus.
• 5:15
  Phil: Yeah.
• 5:16
  Tad Eggleston: Johnson
• 5:18
  Tad Eggleston: Falls over, and I mean, I'm not saying that we should be… but, like, how far down the line do we have to go before we get a leader that we even trust to do something good with it?
• 5:28
  Phil: Yeah, I mean, well, well, how far was Ford from Nixon? Because we have to go probably 3 times further than that, you know?
• 5:35
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, technically, Ford was the vice president when it happened.
• 5:39
  Phil: Yeah, but… but he wasn't the vice president before, like, during the… the Watergate scandal.
• 5:45
  Tad Eggleston: No, he became vice president after Agnew got…
• 5:49
  Phil: Yeah, right.
• 5:49
  Tad Eggleston: out for other criminal stuff.
• 5:51
  Phil: Exactly.
• 5:54
  Phil: Yeah, that's what.
• 5:54
  Tad Eggleston: But, but, like… Speaking of getting pushed out…
• 5:59
  Phil: Sorry, this is my attempt at a segue.
• 6:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 6:03
  Phil: We'll get back to it, we still have to go into what kind of week has it been, but…
• 6:07
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah,
• 6:07
  Phil: But for our first…
• 6:09
  Tad Eggleston: I, I was… I was going there.
• 6:10
  Phil: Oh, okay.
• 6:11
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, Mike Richardson's out at Dark Horse, which,
• 6:16
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, Mike Richardson built that company from the ground up, and
• 6:21
  Tad Eggleston: none of the announcements I'm hearing involve the word comics, so I don't know how I feel about this.
• 6:29
  Phil: Whoa!
• 6:29
  Tad Eggleston: I always wait and see.
• 6:31
  Phil: Yeah, it's… I mean, it's the kind of thing where I think it's gonna be good news, bad news, like so many of these transitions are. The first major thing is, you know, people are like, how did he get pushed out? Well, he sold his shares, so this is…
• 6:45
  Tad Eggleston: That was a while ago.
• 6:46
  Phil: Yeah, yeah. And, I mean, it's… it's one of those things where it sounds like… I mean, Dark Horse hasn't been a perfect company over… over its span of time, but it's also done a lot for building up indie comics from…
• 7:02
  Phil: and helping them reach, you know, more… more audiences. So I'm really hoping that… I mean, that…
• 7:10
  Phil: I think you're absolutely right that the biggest worry to have with whatever corporate video game-based CEOs put in place, that.
• 7:18
  Tad Eggleston: is… I'm seeing words like integration and content.
• 7:21
  Phil: Yeah.
• 7:23
  Phil: Exactly. And that's… that's… that's turning into the biggest fear, is that, oh no.
• 7:27
  Tad Eggleston: So that's… that's the million dollar question.
• 7:32
  Tad Eggleston: But, I mean…
• 7:37
  Tad Eggleston: he sold his shares as much because he's not getting younger as because they were in financial need, if I recall correctly.
• 7:46
  Tad Eggleston: Sounds about right. So, so, like, Richardson wasn't gonna be around a Dark Horse forever.
• 7:53
  Tad Eggleston: Anyway.
• 7:55
  Tad Eggleston: It makes me wonder if there was some writing on the wall, and this is how Fluxhaus wound up jumping from Dark Horse to Oni?
• 8:04
  Phil: Mmm, okay.
• 8:05
  Tad Eggleston: I wonder about some of the other creator imprints. I wonder… I wonder if, you know… kinda… kinda my canary in the coal mine will be watching…
• 8:19
  Tad Eggleston: Stan Sakai and Brian Bendis.
• 8:22
  Phil: Yeah.
• 8:22
  Tad Eggleston: And the other people who have… well, and Mignola.
• 8:26
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's your major… that's your…
• 8:29
  Phil: First…
• 8:29
  Tad Eggleston: What's your canary in the coal mine.
• 8:31
  Phil: I mean, it…
• 8:32
  Tad Eggleston: Hellboy goes somewhere, you know that the shit's at the fan.
• 8:35
  Phil: Yeah, that, that's less, that's less a canary and more like, like a, like a flood of, of, you know… I don't know, I was trying to imagine, like, a, like a bunch of, dwarves running past you out the mine, you know? Right. Like, okay, that's pretty… it's pretty big.
• 8:49
  Tad Eggleston: In, in cooler comic news, Kyle Higgins, the, the mastermind behind the massive verse.
• 8:56
  Tad Eggleston: Is now highlighting Vertical Comics?
• 9:01
  Tad Eggleston: In his newsletter.
• 9:03
  Tad Eggleston: I just looked at the first one, which I think Rich Dewick
• 9:07
  Tad Eggleston: wrote, and I just skimmed it. It's been a busy week, but it sounds like, you know, he's gonna have a different vertical comic once a week or so.
• 9:17
  Tad Eggleston: from… Different creators, sounds like they're being commissioned to be part of the Massiverse.
• 9:26
  Tad Eggleston: So, so it's like finding the indie creators and giving them work, rather than finding the indie creators and borrowing their work. If I'm wrong about that, well, that would suck. But
• 9:39
  Tad Eggleston: Higgins has a good reputation, so I don't think I… I am. I just am acknowledging that, like, I didn't dig deep, deep. There was just only so much comics news this week, and…
• 9:50
  Tad Eggleston: I wanted something happier, and… Whatnot. Which is why, for what kind of work week has it been?
• 9:57
  Tad Eggleston: We're going to ignore that… the replacement
• 10:05
  Tad Eggleston: challenged the head of the Teamsters to a fistfight.
• 10:10
  Phil: Oh, shit.
• 10:10
  Tad Eggleston: during a Senate… hearing last year. And then back down This is…
• 10:22
  Tad Eggleston: Okay. So, so Mark Wayne Mullen, while talking to the Teamsters, not only essentially offered to throw down with the head of
• 10:33
  Tad Eggleston: the Teamsters Union.
• 10:35
  Tad Eggleston: But… But, then… then…
• 10:45
  Tad Eggleston: backed down and was shamed by Bernie Sanders all at once.
• 10:49
  Phil: Damn, Bernie Sanders throwing hands on the Senate floor.
• 10:53
  Tad Eggleston: But he didn't have to throw any hands, because essentially what happened is Mark Wayne Mullen, like.
• 10:59
  Tad Eggleston: you can go find the clip, it's totally out there. But Mark Wayne Mullen is, you know, essentially offered to
• 11:06
  Tad Eggleston: to… to fight him, like, expecting to… you know, he's the big MMA guy, so, you know, whatever.
• 11:13
  Phil: That's all he knows I do.
• 11:14
  Tad Eggleston: And the head of the Teamsters Union was like, Yeah, okay.
• 11:19
  Tad Eggleston: And Mark Wayne Mullen's like, just give me a time and place, and the Teamsters guy is like…
• 11:26
  Tad Eggleston: This is a place, this is a time. Such a working class response, that's great. And it's at this point that Bernie Sanders is going, you're a United States Senator!
• 11:42
  Tad Eggleston: Wow. Oh.
• 11:46
  Phil: That is… that is wild, but also, you know, was it… was it the House or the Senate where the historical caning happened ahead of the Civil War?
• 11:55
  Tad Eggleston: That was in the House, I think, but it could have been the Senate, yeah.
• 11:58
  Phil: Yeah, yeah.
• 11:59
  Tad Eggleston: Well, there was a fight between a couple of Republicans earlier this year.
• 12:03
  Phil: Oh, wait, wait, and of course, was this the week… was it this week or last week that the Marine who had his arm broken was, like… Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, that's some violence, too. You don't break an arm without some violence.
• 12:18
  Phil: So, yeah, it's been… it's been wild. Yeah, yeah. Empire declined. But, I mean, here's the thing.
• 12:28
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, if I know anything about this administration, he'll stop being a senator before he's confirmed, even. So even if backbones come out of nowhere and say, no, we'd really like somebody at DHS who, like.
• 12:42
  Tad Eggleston: Has some qualifications.
• 12:48
  Phil: Yeah.
• 12:49
  Tad Eggleston: he might be done at DHS, but I mean, I only bring all of that up in that, like, the positive spin and the one that I'm choosing to take right now is the Dogs of America are rejoicing. The Democrats are wearing Justice for Cricket pins.
• 13:06
  Tad Eggleston: Because Christy Noem managed to get herself fired, ironically, not…
• 13:18
  Tad Eggleston: for gross incompetence, not for the American citizens,
• 13:25
  Tad Eggleston: killed on her watch. Not even for, for, for, you know.
• 13:33
  Tad Eggleston: what in any other business would be called embezzlement.
• 13:38
  Tad Eggleston: You know, because, like, massive… ad contract went to a…
• 13:48
  Tad Eggleston: Company that had been incorporated 8 days before the contract was given.
• 13:54
  Tad Eggleston: By… by long-time cronies of hers.
• 13:59
  Tad Eggleston: So, so…
• 14:00
  Phil: So, even more obvious embezzlement.
• 14:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, well, I mean, again, like, here, it's, I don't know what you call it, fraud?
• 14:11
  Tad Eggleston: yeah, whatever. When, when you're…
• 14:14
  Phil: Too obvious with your fraud.
• 14:16
  Tad Eggleston: But no, no, she wasn't fired for that. Oh, I see, okay. She was fired for…
• 14:23
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, also not fired for having an affair with her subordinate.
• 14:29
  Tad Eggleston: on… on the… the… the luxury jet she purchased for DHS that had a bedroom.
• 14:37
  Phil: Wow. Yeah.
• 14:40
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, she did get asked about these things in Congress, and one of the reasons it's pretty clear that, like, all of this happened is that she did everything BUT answer the question.
• 14:53
  Tad Eggleston: So, like, she was aware of avoiding perjury there.
• 14:57
  Tad Eggleston: Which is ironic, because, like, and don't get me wrong, I think it's debatable whether or not she perjured herself here. What she was fired for was telling Congress that
• 15:11
  Tad Eggleston: Trump had approved of the money that she spent on
• 15:17
  Tad Eggleston: Whereas he insists that he knew nothing about it.
• 15:22
  Tad Eggleston: But, of course, like, learn from the first term. When you fire people, they read tell-all, or they write tell-all memoirs.
• 15:31
  Tad Eggleston: Listen!
• 15:32
  Tad Eggleston: fired! She's the new, it doesn't matter if I butch… butcher this, because I think they made it up anyway. She's the new liaison to the shield of the Western Hemisphere's Americas something or other.
• 15:52
  Phil: I didn't realize we'd established SHIELD, I didn't see any helicarriers lately.
• 15:57
  Tad Eggleston: This is what I'm saying.
• 15:59
  Phil: Yeah…
• 16:00
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. This is… this is what I'm saying.
• 16:03
  Phil: Yeah. I mean, and this is… let's also… my immediate response is like, alright, this is a good start, let's get another one. Let's get… I mean, first of all, like you said, if we could avoid replacing her with someone worse, that would be great.
• 16:17
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I don't know if he's worse, cause, I mean, if possible, he's… Dumber.
• 16:25
  Phil: Low bar, good to see, good to see challenges met.
• 16:28
  Tad Eggleston: Which could mean less competence.
• 16:32
  Tad Eggleston: Which could mean that less bad stuff gets done.
• 16:35
  Phil: That, yeah, that's… that's kind of… that's unfortunately where we're at right now, is… is hoping that…
• 16:40
  Tad Eggleston: COULD!
• 16:42
  Tad Eggleston: carrying a lot of weight there. So, someone…
• 16:45
  Tad Eggleston: Like, a lot of weight there.
• 16:47
  Phil: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:50
  Phil: Oh, I just watched, the episode of John Oliver where they talked about Kash Patel and how big of a fucking idiot he's been.
• 16:57
  Phil: And, it's one of those things where I'm like, well, you know, obviously we wouldn't want a cop… a competent head of the FBI for, you know, for them to be somehow… somehow doing awful things.
• 17:10
  Phil: You know, so is someone who's just treating their job like they're an influencer, you know, better or worse than someone who's actively trying to, you know, implement fascism?
• 17:22
  Tad Eggleston: I do, I do want to say, like, if you're not…
• 17:28
  Tad Eggleston: subscribe to J. Kuo's newsletter, The Status Quo, you totally should. His legal and political analysis is second to none.
• 17:36
  Tad Eggleston: But.
• 17:38
  Phil: You should subscribe for the weekly skeets and giggles, where, you know, he tries to find the funniest stuff out on the internet and share it all with us.
• 17:48
  Tad Eggleston: And, Jeffy Guests, quote, tweeted, saying, saying, damn, no one will ever again win the internet this hard.
• 18:01
  Tad Eggleston: Quote tweeting scatter lyrics saying, have you ever met someone truly evil? And Kazmir responding, my cousin is Stephen Miller.
• 18:10
  Tad Eggleston: And then the, the response to the quote treat was from Mary Trump, Who just said, actually.
• 18:19
  Phil: Yeah.
• 18:20
  Phil: Holy shit, yep, yep.
• 18:24
  Phil: Oh, man.
• 18:25
  Phil: Anyway… I giggled at that.
• 18:27
  Tad Eggleston: Time to talk some new-to-order comics. Initial orders are due March 26th.
• 18:34
  Tad Eggleston: One shot from Rich Tommaso, 8.
• 18:41
  Tad Eggleston: Da-da-da…
• 18:44
  Tad Eggleston: Rich Schmaza spent over 6 years going from his work on a variety of Black Phoenix projects and returning every so often to this special one to slowly craft a panel here and a page there, little by little, all in an effort to sharply hone his skills in order to produce a comics artwork reminiscent
• 19:01
  Tad Eggleston: of the early 1952-56 Mad Magazines, studying
• 19:09
  Tad Eggleston: And deeply admiring the mad works of Will Elder, Wally Wood, Jack Davis, and of course, the mad creator himself, Harvey Kurtzman. By 2026, after 5 months of uninterrupted work.
• 19:21
  Tad Eggleston: Rich has finally finished his long-awaited project in this one-shot comic book, Ape No. 1, you'll read about mad scientists, strange visitors from outer space, horny bald men in newspaper offices, gun-crazy cowboys, junkies, flunkies, businessmen, husbands, wives, lovers, haters, and angst-ridden teenagers.
• 19:39
  Tad Eggleston: Everything you'd expect to find in an old mid-20th century issue of Mad.
• 19:44
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff on this is March 30th, when it's an in-store date of June 17th. I am all
• 19:53
  Tad Eggleston: Over this. I love Rich Tommaso.
• 19:57
  Phil: I had a feeling you'd be excited by that one.
• 19:59
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:01
  Phil: Alright, next up, we've got the Monsters in Love, a Pride Anthology one-shot from… it just says James Tynan and Tate Bromble, but I know there's a heck of a lot more creators in there. It's a… it's a big anthology. Beloved anthology Monsters in Love turns romance comics on their ogre-sized head with 10 swoon-worthy stories by fan-favorite LGBTQIA plus creators, including James Tynan.
• 20:25
  Phil: Jadia Axelrod, Vida Ayala, Zoe Tennell, Scenic Race, Josh, TrueHilo, Claudia…
• 20:33
  Phil: Aguerre, Tench, and many, many others, just in time for Pride Month. Super Size Special also includes a framing story by the creative team from The Oddly Pedestrian Life of Christopher Chaos. 80 pages for 10 bucks, that's a pretty good deal. It's a pretty good deal. You know, that's coming out from
• 20:50
  Phil: Dark Horse, that's gonna have a final order cutoff of May 18th, in stores June 24th.
• 20:58
  Phil: Yeah, Monsters in Love.
• 21:02
  Tad Eggleston: Only the savage are left, number one, from Zac Kaplan and Stefano Raphael. A strange virus is spread across the world, transforming its victims into monsters. The only cure is to kill another infected soul. When a nonviolent young man sets out from safety.
• 21:19
  Tad Eggleston: of his settlement, to find his missing true love, he must face the corrupted world of monsters and Monster Killers, a dramatic survival adventure that dares to ask what we should stand for in a monster apocalypse. Final order cutoff is April 27th, in stores June 3rd.
• 21:35
  Phil: I, for one, stand for the monsters.
• 21:39
  Tad Eggleston: I skipped one of your books, didn't I?
• 21:41
  Phil: Did you? No, I think… no, no, this is the next one.
• 21:46
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 21:47
  Tad Eggleston: I…
• 21:50
  Phil: Oh, I…
• 21:51
  Tad Eggleston: I see what happened. I thought I had done this one.
• 21:55
  Phil: I gave you… I gave you 2 weeks?
• 21:57
  Phil: You did not take it.
• 21:58
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, no, no.
• 21:59
  Phil: Instead, this is Zorro, number 1, from 1 Howard Chaikin and Jorge Fortes, coming out from IDW. The masked Avengers Zoro is back in an all-new series from comics legends Howard Chaikin and Jorge Forenz.
• 22:15
  Phil: Don Diego de la Vega, known to the world at large as Zorro, is no stranger to facing down dangerous foes and risking his life to help the less fortunate. Now, he will face his biggest challenge yet as he goes up against the might of Napoleon Bonaparte and his armies. Can Zorro overcome the odds and continue his quest for justice, or will his story be cut short by Napoleon? First chapter of this three-part epic starts here.
• 22:39
  Phil: Howard's fantastic. He… I think he was the first… the first, interview that I… that I joined you for, so… on… on 4th of July. That was… that was a good old time. So, you know.
• 22:49
  Phil: We're fans of Howard, that's, gonna have a final cutoff.
• 22:52
  Tad Eggleston: I always enjoy talking to Howard.
• 22:54
  Phil: Oh yeah, he's… he's a hoot. On sale May 20th.
• 22:58
  Phil: Only 3 issues. I'm gonna have to pick this up.
• 23:02
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe some graphic novels.
• 23:05
  Phil: And first up here is a book called The Beast by Zidrow and Frank Pei.
• 23:12
  Phil: The sometimes dark but always hopeful adventure by renowned author Zidrow and celebrated gallery artist Frank Pei portrays a beautiful friendship between a boy and his beast with a magnificent adventurer whose heart is the extraordinary friendship that can unite a child with an animal, captured in the heart of
• 23:32
  Phil: Colombia by…
• 23:34
  Phil: Chahuata Indians and sold to exotic animal traffickers. A marsupial army lands in the port of Antwerp in the 1950s. Managing to escape, he arrives in the suburbs of Brussels and is taken in by Francois, a young boy who is a fan of animals and whose daily life is far from easy. Francois is picked on by the local kids, particularly because his father had been a German soldier
• 23:59
  Phil: An unforgivable crime in those post-war years, a fact he and his mother cannot escape. Both are ostracized for their connection to past events. The authors play a superb tribute to the fabulous animal created by
• 24:12
  Phil: Franklin in the series Spiro et Fantasio, while denouncing the mistreatment and trafficking of exotic animals. Gonna have a final order cutoff of April 20th, gonna be in stores May 13th from… is this… is that Oni?
• 24:30
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 24:31
  Phil: That's only.
• 24:31
  Tad Eggleston: Owning magnetic.
• 24:32
  Phil: Only Magnetic.
• 24:35
  Tad Eggleston: crawl space.
• 24:37
  Tad Eggleston: From Violet Kitchen, isolated and adrift at their middle school, Kel can't help but dream about small spaces. How comforting it would be to fit somewhere perfectly, but what happens when a refuge becomes a trap? Told through interconnected spreads, Kel's fascination with small spaces, finding them, existing in them, and even getting stuck in them, occupies their moment. As Kel navigate.
• 25:00
  Tad Eggleston: the awkward rituals of middle school, their research field, reveries continue until they must find out for themselves what kind of stuck they want to be. From Bulligan Press.
• 25:11
  Tad Eggleston: A final order cut off of March 30th in stores on April 6th.
• 25:17
  Phil: Sounds like there might be an interesting horizontal scroll, if it's like a wider format, and if they're all.
• 25:23
  Tad Eggleston: I'm connected.
• 25:23
  Phil: That'd be super cool.
• 25:26
  Tad Eggleston: Another one for me. See you in memories.
• 25:30
  Tad Eggleston: Billy once basked in the spotlight as an internet singer-songwriter until her fame faded and her songs drew only harsh criticism. Urged by her father to give up her star dream, she fled home in a storm of emotion. Three years later, she found…
• 25:46
  Tad Eggleston: She's found unconscious on a street with no memory of her disappearance, clinging to a sketchbook filled with evocative drawings of Hong Kong's streetscapes. As Billie retraces the vivid locations within her sketches, she embarks on a profound, otherworldly journey through memory and place, seeking not just what she has lost.
• 26:06
  Tad Eggleston: But who she has become. Presented in a stunning slipcase hardcover collection, this two-book set includes the graphic novel and the in-story sketchbook that holds the key to Billy's lost memories. This is from Penn Sew.
• 26:22
  Tad Eggleston: And is being…
• 26:24
  Tad Eggleston: Published by Nakama Press and Mad Cave. Wow. Final order cut off of May 20th in stores on…
• 26:32
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, final order cut off of April 20th in stores on May 13th.
• 26:37
  Phil: It sounds awesome. I love the idea of an in-universe book. That's super cool. Next up we have We Are Pan by Andre Frattino and Yasmin Flores Montanez over at IDW Publishing. Family or Freedom?
• 26:53
  Phil: Discover the astonishing history of the mass evacuation of Cuba children, leaving communism and their loved ones behind. We Are Pan is based on the true story of Operacion Pedro Pan, a joint effort between the U.S. government and the Catholic Welfare Bureau to evacuate 14,000 children from Cuba to the U.S. between 1960 and 1962.
• 27:17
  Phil: With the rise of communism following Fidel Castro's revolution, parents feared for their children's future, and through this secret operation, secured passage for them into America.
• 27:27
  Phil: These children, later referred to as Pedro Pens, would be distributed across the U.S, mostly living in foster homes. In many cases, these children never saw their families again, and their lives would be changed forever.
• 27:41
  Phil: This is their story.
• 27:42
  Phil: That's gonna have a final cutoff of April 27th in stores June 2nd, again, from IDW.
• 27:52
  Phil: IDW top shelf, even.
• 27:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:55
  Tad Eggleston: Couple of… couple of collections.
• 27:59
  Phil: And this first one is me. This is, Our Soot-Stained Heart from Joni Hogg and Stepin Morian, the artist behind, The New Bleeding Hearts and 20th Century Men, which we've read recently. The Coalition is a city of wonder in the Deep North, but is ruled by the cruel Governor Glass and his factory lords. Coal is the lifeline of the city, and for honest workers like young
• 28:24
  Phil: Peggy Stone's life can be hard because of the nefarious quota. To get extra cold at the end of the year, you must be bad every day. Peggy's life is thrown into chaos when she is imprisoned and sent into exile, which begins a harrowing journey to the ends of the world to find answers that could change the world. From the minds of debut writer Joni Haig and superstar artist Stepin Morian with color
• 28:47
  Phil: With colorist Rope Man and Eisner Water Green letter, Hassan Otzmann al-How, comes the most thrilling steampunk adventure of the winter. You can have a final order cutoff of April 13th in stores.
• 29:00
  Phil: May? Yeah, May 6th. Again, from Mad Cave, that sounds awesome. Might become a definitive steampunk story for me, because I don't really have one of those yet.
• 29:11
  Tad Eggleston: Star Trek Red Shirts from Christopher Cantwell and Megan Levins.
• 29:16
  Tad Eggleston: The doomed Starfleet crew members, the Red Shirts, must track down spies on an isolated planet in this graphic novel.
• 29:22
  Tad Eggleston: Stranded on the snow-ridden planet Arconia 89, the crew of the USS Warren is a small window in which to pin down spies seeking to steal classified secrets and keep Starfleet data out of their nefarious hands. The face
• 29:36
  Tad Eggleston: Threats not only from their faceless enemies, but from the brutalizing elements and the wildlife of a planet far from home. In this complicated story of betrayal, loss, and redemption, the Redshirt's lives and Starfleet's sanctity are on the line, and no one is safe.
• 29:55
  Tad Eggleston: Chris just killed it. Killed it with this story. Megan Levin's art was amazing. Final order cutoff is May 12th. In stores on 8… I'm sorry. Final order cutoff is April 6th, in stores on May 12th.
• 30:13
  Phil: That was a close one.
• 30:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:16
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff for…
• 30:19
  Tad Eggleston: Monday, March 16th, we have Bitchy, the Exasperating Existence of Midge McCracken by Roberta Gregory at Fanographics. In stores April 22nd, Breakthrough, Life on the Brink by Christopher Fink at Fanographics, in stores April 22nd.
• 30:33
  Tad Eggleston: Estuary, a Ghost Story by Tim Daniel, D.V. Andre, and Man House. I think that's issue 1, at Oney Press, in stores April 8th.
• 30:44
  Tad Eggleston: Hab number one, from Joshua Dysart, David Lapham, Bill Sienkevich, and Jacob Phillips at Bad Idea in stores on April 15th.
• 30:57
  Tad Eggleston: And Pretty Hate Machine, number 1 by Ryan Onan, Tim Seeley, and Paulo Armatano at Mad Cave in stores on April 8th.
• 31:06
  Tad Eggleston: Crowdfunding right now, we have Inheritance No. 1 from Doug Wood, Brandon Albetski, and Travis Jamer at Kickstarter through March 12th. The Hectic Love Lives of the Mythical by Laura Helsby, Jaws Stone.
• 31:20
  Tad Eggleston: Philhound, Jonah Walker, Len Gogos, Matt, Aytic Taylor on Backrogate through… What?
• 31:27
  Phil: I was gonna say H.
• 31:29
  Tad Eggleston: H. Taylor.
• 31:31
  Tad Eggleston: on BackerKit through…
• 31:33
  Tad Eggleston: March 21st, Even the Stars will fall number one from Florin Ackenmaid and Mimpe Alu and Hassan Otzman Al-Hau on Kickstarter through March 25th. So, buttons, who's My Daddy and what does he do? from Jonathan Bayless and others on Kickstarter through March 28th.
• 31:51
  Tad Eggleston: And Dan Dare, first contact from Alice DeCampi and Mark Lamming at B7 Comics.
• 31:59
  Tad Eggleston: launch on March 9th, which is tomorrow, so by the time most of you are listening.
• 32:05
  Tad Eggleston: Humble Bundles, we have The Witcher and Cyberpunk 207C7 collection from Dark Horse, $16 for 28 books for the Special Effect UK charity to help disabled people who enjoy video game… or to enjoy video games. And that's been extended to March 11th.
• 32:22
  Tad Eggleston: Terry Pratchett's Discworld, $16 for 36 novels, for HFC, Care for Families Impacted by Alzheimer's, through March 10th.
• 32:32
  Tad Eggleston: The Indie Comics United, a super bundle of awesome stuff, $18 for 60 items. Comic Book Legal Defense Fund through March 12th.
• 32:41
  Tad Eggleston: Ultimate Top Cow Science Fiction and Fantasy Comics from…
• 32:47
  Tad Eggleston: $18 for 41 items, Book Industry Charitable Foundation through March 13th.
• 32:52
  Tad Eggleston: Dive in to Vertigo, $18 for 26 items. Book Industry Charitable Foundation through March 20th. Protest Power Zines and Lit from Microcosm Publishing, $18 for 38 items.
• 33:07
  Tad Eggleston: to support the ACLU,
• 33:10
  Tad Eggleston: on… until March 20th, and a big one just added. Love and Rockets and More, the collected Hernandez brothers from Fanagraphics. $18 for 57 items to support the ACLU
• 33:28
  Tad Eggleston: through March 26th.
• 33:31
  Tad Eggleston: 3 amazing books this week.
• 33:34
  Tad Eggleston: I mean… I… I… like…
• 33:39
  Tad Eggleston: There were enough really good number ones.
• 33:42
  Tad Eggleston: or one-shots, etc. Well, and great closing, like, Beneath the Trees killed it with its closing.
• 33:53
  Tad Eggleston: As did, what was the other thing that closed this week?
• 33:57
  Phil: Is it Daredevil Punisher?
• 34:00
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but that's not the one I'm thinking of.
• 34:03
  Phil: Whoa.
• 34:04
  Tad Eggleston: Sleep? Sleep finished up this week, and that killed it.
• 34:10
  Tad Eggleston: But I wound up with a couple of number ones and a Batman.
• 34:16
  Tad Eggleston: Because, I mean, Narco number one, I knew it was gonna be there. I knew it was gonna be there. The only question was whether it was gonna keep the one spot, and exploit number one from Tim Leung, Laura Hudson, and Emiliana Pina, which is a, like…
• 34:32
  Tad Eggleston: 10 minutes in the future journalism story.
• 34:35
  Phil: That sounds awesome.
• 34:36
  Tad Eggleston: came awfully close to knocking it out of that top spot. Hat tip to Spencer Ackerman, who's been plugging the hell out of this book for about a month now, on his… his news…
• 34:47
  Tad Eggleston: But… but it took two number ones that good.
• 34:54
  Tad Eggleston: To… to keep… Fraction and Jimenez… from…
• 35:00
  Tad Eggleston: having Batman number 7 be my top comic of the week, because…
• 35:05
  Tad Eggleston: I am not a Joker guy.
• 35:08
  Tad Eggleston: I'm not a Joker guy at all. To a certain extent, I judge how much I like
• 35:16
  Tad Eggleston: a Batman writer by how well they can write stories without the Joker, how long they can keep the Joker from their run, etc, etc. So I was a little dismayed to see the Joker popping up in Issue 7.
• 35:36
  Tad Eggleston: This is the freshest take on the Joker since White Knight.
• 35:43
  Tad Eggleston: And unlike White Knight, is in-universe. Oh, okay. I was blown away.
• 35:50
  Tad Eggleston: I'm not gonna… I'm not gonna give spoilers.
• 35:53
  Phil: on the Joker since… since Great Morrison, even?
• 35:57
  Tad Eggleston: Remind me of what Morrison did.
• 35:59
  Phil: So, I mean, he… the first issue was, they killed the Joker.
• 36:05
  Phil: And then, so… so the Joker had, like, a bullet hole, like, on… on their forehead after that, and, became this weird sort of,
• 36:17
  Phil: you know, figure obsessed with death, like, he killed all of his clowns, and was like, I'm going full psycho, kind of. And… but then, after Bruce Wayne disappeared, he, became a masked detective.
• 36:29
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, I'm remembering this all now.
• 36:31
  Phil: Yeah, there's some weird stuff. It was interesting.
• 36:33
  Tad Eggleston: It is, but I didn't actually find it that fresh.
• 36:36
  Phil: Okay, that's fair.
• 36:38
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I love Grant Morrison's run on Batman, but I felt like that had,
• 36:50
  Tad Eggleston: A lot of… of…
• 36:55
  Tad Eggleston: both Moore's Killing Joke and the No Man's Land.
• 37:01
  Tad Eggleston: Where the Joker ran, like, the most organized, least violent area, because when you've got no man's Land, that was what was…
• 37:10
  Tad Eggleston: subversive.
• 37:12
  Phil: Interesting. Interesting. Yeah, that sounds clever. So it still plays so completely on… and I'm not guaranteeing that… that…
• 37:22
  Tad Eggleston: that fraction won't… wind up getting there eventually, too, but…
• 37:30
  Tad Eggleston: But for, for a first… But for, for, for, for an issue…
• 37:35
  Tad Eggleston: He's doing something with the Joker that I've never quite seen done before.
• 37:42
  Tad Eggleston: Even though he takes an angle on it that isn't… the angle itself is completely fresh.
• 37:50
  Phil: I, I saw, like.
• 37:51
  Tad Eggleston: It's just where it goes is…
• 37:53
  Phil: spoilery page, I think, and I was like, oh, that's interesting.
• 37:57
  Tad Eggleston: Well, but, but it's, it's specifically…
• 38:01
  Tad Eggleston: It's specifically the Joker's mindset right now.
• 38:05
  Phil: Yeah.
• 38:05
  Tad Eggleston: That is fascinating. And… and really, I think…
• 38:12
  Tad Eggleston: You know, and at some point we'll be able to talk about this more spoilery, but really…
• 38:17
  Phil: Yep.
• 38:18
  Tad Eggleston: I think that the challenge now becomes…
• 38:24
  Tad Eggleston: Kinda like Captain America was never gonna stay Hydra.
• 38:27
  Tad Eggleston: So, part of what makes the story good is how long can you draw it out in a believable way, and maintain the tension, and make… make readers start to go, wait, have we… do we have… do we have a meaningful change in this character, or are we still gonna…
• 38:47
  Tad Eggleston: Because I, I just… I can't imagine the Joker forever being what… Got created in this… But…
• 38:57
  Tad Eggleston: If it's more than a story arc, if it's… if it's a… a reality for… a while.
• 39:07
  Tad Eggleston: And he's got a plan for it, it could be something really special.
• 39:10
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 39:11
  Phil: Nice. I mean, I will be excited to, to catch up on… on some fraction, some bat fraction.
• 39:17
  Tad Eggleston: jam.
• 39:17
  Phil: You know? I think… I think the first trade is hitting… hitting the library soon.
• 39:21
  Tad Eggleston: I assume.
• 39:22
  Tad Eggleston: Yep, yep. Anyway, Phil, take a walk.
• 39:25
  Phil: Yeah, you know, it's kind of more of a sitting day around here. You know, it's just… that's a little haiku for you that I wrote in the show notes. I am just… I am out on the porch. One of my wife's friends is sleeping over, so she's in the living room, and, you know, it's kind of rude to yell about comics when someone's trying to sleep.
• 39:45
  Phil: So, yeah.
• 39:46
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know. I think sleeping in the podcast studio is rude. You've got a perfectly good bathtub. Right. Oh, you know, if you say that a little louder, the bathtub might be my new podcast studio, so…
• 40:02
  Phil: That's okay.
• 40:04
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, that also works.
• 40:06
  Phil: That would have been… that would have been the second option if it was too cold… too cold to be out here.
• 40:10
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, like, all those times when we can't see you, if you just sat in the bathtub…
• 40:16
  Phil: That's true, it is at least well-lit.
• 40:18
  Tad Eggleston: have light, you know?
• 40:19
  Phil: You know? But I also, I also like my role as the Abyss that gazes also, Tad. Is that not unsettling enough?
• 40:27
  Phil: But yeah, no, I've read, you know, again, pretty quiet. I caught up on… I finally got to die, loaded number 4, which was…
• 40:34
  Phil: absolute… I loved it. I loved it so much. It… this… this new run is building up to, something super exciting, and actually asked me a question, okay, is this… is this gonna be another full 20 issues, or might it only be 12?
• 40:51
  Phil: Since the die on the back is the D12 this time. And I'm super glad that Issue 5 is out, I think, this week?
• 40:58
  Phil: It's coming out? Yeah.
• 40:59
  Tad Eggleston: I was about to say, when I… when I was resetting up the… the show notes, I,
• 41:08
  Tad Eggleston: noticed that you hadn't actually gotten to Die 4 yet, I thought to myself, I could be so mean and make certain that I read Die 5. Right. Because… because,
• 41:20
  Tad Eggleston: Image sends out their previews the front
• 41:23
  Tad Eggleston: So, so I got, I got my, my PDF of, of Die 5.
• 41:28
  Phil: He got a little peek.
• 41:30
  Tad Eggleston: on… I mean, I haven't read it yet.
• 41:31
  Phil: Oh, okay, okay.
• 41:32
  Tad Eggleston: But I could have.
• 41:34
  Phil: You could have.
• 41:35
  Tad Eggleston: Just to taunt you.
• 41:36
  Phil: I know, right?
• 41:37
  Phil: And that's the thing, it's like, it's funny, because I'm, like, as excited as.
• 41:41
  Tad Eggleston: Because I'm like…
• 41:41
  Phil: Serious.
• 41:42
  Phil: How did Phil manage to get a whole month behind, was my thought. Well, so, that's usually what happens, like, I think if for whatever reason I'm busy on the day that something drops, you know, and then it just takes me a while to get to it, but.
• 41:56
  Tad Eggleston: No, if I don't get to it the week that it comes out.
• 42:00
  Tad Eggleston: It sometimes takes me a while to catch up, and then I'll catch up on the book together. I get it.
• 42:05
  Phil: And what's nice about this one is that, you know, because I usually put down the issue and, like, let out a big sigh, and like, damn, okay, now I gotta wait. So now it's like, oh, it's all, you know, next issue's coming out, coming out, in just a week, so that's less time.
• 42:20
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but the… but the trade is 1 through 6.
• 42:24
  Phil: I know, I'm excited.
• 42:25
  Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna have the double psi when you're done.
• 42:28
  Phil: I'm a friend.
• 42:28
  Tad Eggleston: Because now you're gonna be waiting for… Yep.
• 42:34
  Tad Eggleston: Just sayin'.
• 42:35
  Phil: I know, it's okay.
• 42:36
  Tad Eggleston: I…
• 42:36
  Phil: there's… it's… it's the… the waiting… it's funny, because if you told… I feel like in today's information age, you know, you tell someone, hey, here's a storytelling medium that moves at the pace of, you know, 20 pages a month.
• 42:52
  Phil: Blake… It's… It's absolutely bonkers to think about when everything is, is, like, instantaneous, but
• 43:02
  Phil: for me, it's… it's… it's oddly satisfying. It, like, helps keep…
• 43:05
  Phil: like, a larger pacing to the world, and, you know, I feel like I get less lost when there are, you know, comics. It's like a… it's like a… I don't know, it's a rhythm thing. It's hard to explain, but
• 43:18
  Phil: But the waiting is part of the enjoyment at this point, you know? If these things were released day by day or week by week, you know, the anticipation might not be as sweet that way.
• 43:29
  Phil: Which, speaking of anticipation, Tad, have you, broken your waylay on One Piece yet?
• 43:35
  Tad Eggleston: I am still becalmed on the Grand Line.
• 43:38
  Phil: The column by the Grand Line.
• 43:40
  Phil: I, I actually just saw on Netflix…
• 43:41
  Tad Eggleston: red line.
• 43:42
  Phil: Apparently, the anime has, like.
• 43:45
  Phil: 32 seasons, which are not named by numbers, but by arcs. So, I mean, it…
• 43:53
  Phil: it's just… it's… I'm still, like, I'm still, you know, flabbergasted at how far you have to go.
• 43:59
  Tad Eggleston: DF.
• 44:00
  Phil: 600 chapters in, and, like, 1,200 to go?
• 44:04
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, I mean, right now, it's only, like, 650 to go. I think it's in the 1200s.
• 44:10
  Phil: Oh, okay, okay.
• 44:12
  Phil: So, yeah.
• 44:12
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe the 1300s.
• 44:14
  Phil: Yeah, it's a beast. But last week, we kind of skipped over it, but I had read, 15 chapters of Tower Dungeon, through Volume 4, and then I actually, pre-ordered Volume 5 through my comic shop, so I'm going to be, picking that up, in physical, because that's how awesome it was, and…
• 44:32
  Phil: And then I have also… it's funny, it doesn't sound like much, two and a half chapters of Blue Period, because I… I finally got Volume 1, and so started back in on that. It's complicated. But also, they're… they're quite long chapters, because there's about four…
• 44:49
  Phil: four chapters or so to a… they call them strokes, too, which is kind of interesting, to a volume, and the volumes are, like, two…
• 44:59
  Phil: 42, 50 pages, so, yeah, it's a pretty… it's a pretty, it's a pretty dense read, because there's a lot of,
• 45:05
  Phil: art, art techniques that they explain in there, and yeah, I'm hoping to charge through a few volumes, at least get caught up to where I… because I'd read volumes 1 through 4 a few years ago, and now there's through 17 out there, so I'm hoping to get into some new territory sooner rather than later.
• 45:25
  Tad Eggleston: Catch.
• 45:26
  Phil: But, I was just gonna say, talking about art for great responsibility.
• 45:31
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I was about to say, yeah, going to great responsibility, we're gonna talk a little bowling for corpses in the same work that Zach Quaintance,
• 45:40
  Tad Eggleston: Worried about the second volume of…
• 45:45
  Tad Eggleston: of Lands Unknown stuff from Mignola, and called it possibly his masterwork, so…
• 45:52
  Phil: I can imagine.
• 45:53
  Tad Eggleston: Look at that, as well.
• 45:55
  Phil: Yeah.
• 45:56
  Tad Eggleston: So what, what'd you think?
• 45:57
  Phil: I mean, and this is where, when… while I was reading it, I kind of had the thought of, like, okay, yeah, this is fun, this is… this is, sort of like a super condensed…
• 46:08
  Phil: Megiola, it's hard… it's hard for me to completely separate him from Hellboy because of how much of his output has been Hellboy up until this point, and, like, that's kind of where his style was defined. So, like, while I was reading it, I didn't necessarily
• 46:27
  Phil: think… I thought of it as, like, a singular work, but hearing now that it's turning into a new series, where there's a second volume out, and then it sounds like there was a first issue of a third series that came out last week?
• 46:39
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that was…
• 46:41
  Phil: Or more of a.
• 46:42
  Tad Eggleston: workshop.
• 46:43
  Tad Eggleston: I think… I think that's the first,
• 46:47
  Tad Eggleston: Place where somebody else is getting to work and lands on.
• 46:50
  Phil: Oh, okay, interesting. But yeah, but I mean, I, I, I definitely, I dig, Mignola's, mythology and,
• 47:01
  Phil: you know, moody sort of pacing and stuff. He's… he's absolutely incredible. And it'd been a while. It'd been a while since I've read a book of his. So it…
• 47:13
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and it's been a while since he felt… since he needed to do… All of it.
• 47:19
  Phil: Yeah.
• 47:19
  Tad Eggleston: And decided that he wanted to do all of it.
• 47:23
  Phil: Yeah. But his acquaintance points out in his review of.
• 47:33
  Tad Eggleston: It's Ben Stenbeck, and Lance of the Unknown Skinless Man is the… is the outside of the… .
• 47:43
  Phil: Okay.
• 47:46
  Phil: So, yeah.
• 47:47
  Tad Eggleston: Non-Mignola, but the Mignola one coming, or just came out, I think, or coming out later this month, is Uri Tupka and the Gods.
• 47:57
  Phil: Yep.
• 48:00
  Tad Eggleston: And what… Qantas has a way with words, and I think he nails it here. There's a charge, an almost visceral sense, that the cartoonist is so in love with his own ideas, he is mostly drawing the book for himself, Reception Be Downed.
• 48:14
  Phil: Yeah, I definitely got that sense too, and I mean, honestly, I love to see it, you know?
• 48:19
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 48:20
  Phil: I… I also think that, honestly, it…
• 48:25
  Phil: I… so, here's the thing. I had been a huge, huge Hellboy fan in college, and even to the point where I did an independent study and wrote, like, a 25-page paper on it. So yeah, so it was… it was definitely influential on me.
• 48:42
  Phil: And I felt like Hellboy in Hell was so…
• 48:46
  Phil: such a good ending. Like, for… for a character that had been wandering around for, like, 30 years at that point, nearly, Hellboy and Huddle just impossibly wrapped it up in… it felt like a really perfect way, so, I'm actually glad to see that Magnola is…
• 49:05
  Phil: Starting, for himself at least, starting up something new, you know?
• 49:09
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and a lot of the newer Hellboy stuff is nestled into…
• 49:15
  Phil: Exactly, and that's… that's why I don't… I think I tried to read a couple of the newer series that are… that are…
• 49:24
  Phil: going back to, you know, Hellboy's early days in the BPRD, and it looked like they were trying to set things in, like, the 50s and 60s and stuff like that, and I was… I don't know, it just didn't really click for me. It… it was… it was also.
• 49:37
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think I've ever read a Hellboy that I didn't enjoy, but I also haven't read all of Hellboy. Yeah.
• 49:43
  Phil: Well, it's also… and here's the thing, is that it's not that it was bad. It's not like I would say that it was bad and nobody should read it. It was more of that I think I was… it was more of that I think I was so… I had come to love John Arcudi, as the voice of BPRD, that…
• 50:01
  Phil: the refocus of a young… a young Hellboy. I don't know. I guess it's also one of those things that…
• 50:09
  Phil: when a book is complete, like, when a story is over, I don't feel the need to go explore the gaps between things, because…
• 50:20
  Phil: The idea of completeness is antithetical to continuing the story, you know?
• 50:26
  Tad Eggleston: Whereas… I mean, and, and, like… I… I… I don't require it.
• 50:35
  Tad Eggleston: But I can also love it, just like I love it when stories don't actually end, even when they feel complete, because life doesn't end.
• 50:44
  Phil: Yeah. There's no story that I wouldn't love.
• 50:48
  Tad Eggleston: A well-told another chapter.
• 50:51
  Tad Eggleston: Sure. I mean, if you have done any job making characters, and they're not all dead,
• 51:02
  Tad Eggleston: there are more stories to tell. Whether or not they need to be told, whether or not anybody has them to tell, that's a whole different thing.
• 51:10
  Phil: Yeah.
• 51:12
  Tad Eggleston: And that's kind of how I feel about this, you know, filling the spaces in between, too. Like, one of the coolest things
• 51:20
  Tad Eggleston: There are two amazing, amazing things about Amazing Fantasy XV. Yeah. The first is how much…
• 51:31
  Tad Eggleston: of the Spider-Man ethos.
• 51:33
  Tad Eggleston: Is established in 11 pages.
• 51:36
  Phil: Yeah.
• 51:38
  Tad Eggleston: You know, like, how much of the story, how many of the poses, how many of, like, how much?
• 51:45
  Phil: Yeah.
• 51:46
  Tad Eggleston: of the classic Spider-Man ethos can you find in those 11 pages?
• 51:52
  Tad Eggleston: But then the second thing, and it's very tied to the first thing, is that… there is…
• 52:03
  Tad Eggleston: Barely a character?
• 52:05
  Tad Eggleston: In that story, that… that hasn't had a comic written
• 52:11
  Tad Eggleston: from their point of view about that day at this point. And possibly more than that day, but, like, even the kid who sees them up on the wall, and then there's a one-shot about the kid. I'm sure. You know, I haven't read them all. At some point. I think it would actually be fun to go through and, like.
• 52:29
  Phil: Memories of Amazing Fantasy XV?
• 52:33
  Tad Eggleston: you know,
• 52:35
  Tad Eggleston: So, like, there's something… there's something to be said about a story that is so layered, and,
• 52:49
  Tad Eggleston: what's the word I'm looking for? .
• 52:53
  Phil: Interconnected?
• 52:55
  Tad Eggleston: Interconnected, but that wasn't even what I was gonna say. Trust its audience enough not to have to tell them everything.
• 53:00
  Phil: Yeah, oh yeah.
• 53:02
  Tad Eggleston: And I'll… but then that will allow…
• 53:05
  Tad Eggleston: For more things to be told later.
• 53:07
  Phil: Right, and so there's two… there's two things that I'm thinking of here. One, it's possible that… I think… I think the…
• 53:14
  Phil: the new writer was, like, James Robinson, I want to say? But, it's possible that I just hadn't read enough of the story to get hooked yet, and it's also possible I might even need to take his run, like, his series of miniseries that he was working on, and kind of read all of those.
• 53:33
  Phil: Together, and separate it from other stories, you know?
• 53:37
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 53:37
  Phil: I feel like I might need to give it more credit.
• 53:39
  Tad Eggleston: Well, yeah, no, I mean, that's… that's… That's totally possible.
• 53:42
  Phil: I might have a Hellboy Renaissance one day.
• 53:44
  Tad Eggleston: just… just… Just because it exists doesn't mean it has to be your thing.
• 53:50
  Phil: That's true.
• 53:51
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I mean, one of the biggest arguments that I actually get into with Star Wars fans.
• 53:57
  Phil: Huh.
• 53:57
  Tad Eggleston: Of which I'm one, I'm not trying to… to…
• 54:02
  Phil: Like…
• 54:03
  Tad Eggleston: The people who, like, allow not liking newer stuff to affect what they feel about
• 54:11
  Tad Eggleston: stuff that they loved. It's like…
• 54:13
  Phil: Yeah. It's funny, I…
• 54:15
  Tad Eggleston: Why can't the universe just be for more people, and if you don't like it, then you don't like it, and, like…
• 54:22
  Phil: And…
• 54:22
  Tad Eggleston: For the next thing that you like.
• 54:24
  Phil: It's funny, Star Wars… I mean, Star Wars is… is, I mean, a great example of the fans who didn't want things to change were wrong, because if the franchise is gonna continue, things need to change.
• 54:35
  Phil: But I… I also… I have that. I have a little bit of that where, I mean, there's a lot of stuff where, yeah, like, I mean, Hellboy, I… it's, again, like I said, this… the… the run, I just didn't get hooked on it. It's not like it…
• 54:47
  Tad Eggleston: And that's.
• 54:48
  Phil: killed my affection for it, exactly, but… Right.
• 54:51
  Phil: I know that, at least in the past, at least when I was younger, there would be times where I would let something new that I didn't like affect how I felt about it old. I hope I've grown out of that, mostly.
• 55:03
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, to me, one of the comforting things about the Hellboy universe, and…
• 55:09
  Tad Eggleston: possibly coming up the Lens Unknown universe, is that
• 55:15
  Tad Eggleston: There's this big, huge place to explore that people will continue exploring.
• 55:21
  Tad Eggleston: that… that has… Enough quality control that…
• 55:28
  Tad Eggleston: It doesn't feel like it's been exploited?
• 55:31
  Phil: Yes.
• 55:32
  Tad Eggleston: But… but enough… Enough room to play, enough stories to tell, and enough.
• 55:39
  Phil: hmm.
• 55:40
  Tad Eggleston: Enough backing and, you know, either from people who will buy it, or from…
• 55:46
  Tad Eggleston: People who will follow given artists to it, or…
• 55:51
  Tad Eggleston: You know, because I don't read nearly all of the universe, but, like, when Jesse Lonergan works in it, I'm gonna.
• 55:57
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 55:59
  Tad Eggleston: You know what I mean?
• 56:00
  Phil: And I think that was it, because I was reading the whole universe.
• 56:04
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 56:05
  Phil: So, I think I might have even gotten a little burnout, and, you know, it might have overexpanded a little bit for me, but that also means I might be able to go back to it and find new joy.
• 56:14
  Tad Eggleston: Whereas the only whole universe I've ever read.
• 56:19
  Tad Eggleston: is… Daredevil.
• 56:22
  Phil: Yeah.
• 56:22
  Tad Eggleston: And I don't follow him too deep into… Don't cross-over events.
• 56:27
  Phil: I was gonna say, all the different mini-series?
• 56:29
  Phil: All the different…
• 56:30
  Tad Eggleston: I get the miniseries. I get the miniseries, but, like, if he's a part of some bigger Marvel event, they don't need every appearance of Daredevil.
• 56:40
  Phil: Sure, so you don't need him when he guest stars?
• 56:43
  Tad Eggleston: I get and read every book that has the word Daredevil in the title.
• 56:49
  Phil: Okay.
• 56:51
  Tad Eggleston: Or occasionally doesn't, but is clearly, like, man without fear, or…
• 56:55
  Phil: Yeah, his subtit… you know, those sorts of things.
• 56:59
  Phil: But yeah, I can see that.
• 57:01
  Tad Eggleston: And I get every Marvel Star Wars book, but I'll fall way behind on a regular basis.
• 57:07
  Phil: Oh, yeah. so the… and then the second thought I had was that, so, one of the things about Hellboy, and I guess part of why… one of the reasons why the flashback stuff didn't grab me was that, so, I think…
• 57:23
  Phil: I think Dark Horse recently put out, like, a compendium volumes.
• 57:27
  Phil: of Hellboy, that did all of his series in chronological order. Yep. Which, in my opinion, was not the move to do. It should have stayed in publication order, because the stories were so nonlinear, and in and out of time that I'm like, that's part of the joy of reading it, was seeing how…
• 57:47
  Tad Eggleston: some both ways, and like, that's… to me, it's nice to be able to read in different ways.
• 57:54
  Tad Eggleston: And sometimes, if you don't have to do your own organizing, that's a bonus.
• 57:59
  Phil: Yeah, and I mean, it, you know, I haven't read it that way, so I guess maybe… maybe give it a chance, we'll see, but .
• 58:07
  Tad Eggleston: But to…
• 58:08
  Phil: to reconnect that to Lands Unknown, I think one of the things that I am very impressed with by the first volume was how…
• 58:17
  Phil: that sentiment that Quentin said of he's enamored with his own… his own ideas, reception be damned, is like, I appreciate that, because…
• 58:25
  Phil: this book felt like the kind of thing that's a great comic, but would not necessarily make for a great adaptation into a TV show. Right. You know? Right now, we're at the point where there's a… there's a world with a shit ton of mythology, but not… Well, and I also… Well, and I also… I also love…
• 58:43
  Tad Eggleston: It's clear how much he loves
• 58:47
  Tad Eggleston: mythology and folklore. I mean, that was clear in Hellboy already, but that's just even more clear.
• 58:52
  Phil: He's tripling down on it, yeah.
• 58:54
  Tad Eggleston: You know, you see whispers and hints of so many different stories that you know already, sometimes mixed together, sometimes just retold, you know…
• 59:07
  Tad Eggleston: And I just… I love it. I love it, because that's… that's what…
• 59:11
  Tad Eggleston: myth and folklore are supposed to be. They're supposed to be stories that are handed down, and change over time, and sometimes get…
• 59:20
  Tad Eggleston: get mashed together, or split apart, or, you know… Oh, yeah. So… so when you see, like, the story, that… that you can see the whispers of Japanese folklore, and.
• 59:32
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 59:33
  Tad Eggleston: folklore in the same story.
• 59:35
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. This…
• 59:37
  Phil: It's really exciting.
• 59:40
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, in some ways, that… like…
• 59:46
  Tad Eggleston: And I'm literally… this is literally thoughts coming out of my mouth as I'm having them. Yeah, yeah. But I think an argument could be made
• 59:55
  Tad Eggleston: that… The beginning of…
• 1:00:04
  Tad Eggleston: Truly separate cultures, rather than cultures that were likely to merge.
• 1:00:09
  Phil: Huh.
• 1:00:11
  Tad Eggleston: was… writing.
• 1:00:15
  Phil: You said the beginning?
• 1:00:17
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah… When we started having actual records, when we started writing.
• 1:00:22
  Phil: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay.
• 1:00:24
  Tad Eggleston: When rather than sharing everything orally, and therefore.
• 1:00:28
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:00:29
  Tad Eggleston: You know, it's this giant game of global telephone.
• 1:00:32
  Phil: Well, and.
• 1:00:33
  Tad Eggleston: I think…
• 1:00:33
  Phil: I think it's lost how interconnected or separate they were because we don't have write-ins.
• 1:00:39
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:00:40
  Phil: Yeah, and… and… yeah, absolutely, and I love… I love how… how Mike takes from all over the globe and combines them all into.
• 1:00:49
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and for that matter, how many assumptions… how many times do you see…
• 1:00:54
  Tad Eggleston: Like, I was reading a paper from…
• 1:00:59
  Tad Eggleston: I forget who, but it was, like, a footnote in the Folger… addition of,
• 1:01:09
  Tad Eggleston: The Tempest.
• 1:01:10
  Tad Eggleston: was to this paper from the 1490s, so contemporary, something that Shakespeare could have read.
• 1:01:17
  Phil: Or not the 14, 15-somethings.
• 1:01:19
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:01:22
  Tad Eggleston: Late 1500s, early 1600s, somewhere in there. Contemporary…
• 1:01:26
  Phil: Sure.
• 1:01:27
  Tad Eggleston: what's it… the reason I rephrased it, and knew to rephrase it, is because it refers to the New World.
• 1:01:34
  Phil: Mmm.
• 1:01:35
  Tad Eggleston: It's something like, on cannibals, blah blah blah. But among other things, it…
• 1:01:44
  Tad Eggleston: it kind of asks the question about whether the New World is Atlantis.
• 1:01:53
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, the way it talks about it, long before we had science for it, talks about it drifting away, etc. I'm sitting there going, this is, like, this fits in with Pangea theory.
• 1:02:05
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:02:08
  Tad Eggleston: So, now one has to question…
• 1:02:13
  Tad Eggleston: Are there legends that came out of Pangea? You know, we know that, you know…
• 1:02:20
  Phil: I mean, I think that…
• 1:02:22
  Tad Eggleston: There was… there was a… continents were enough closer to each other at one point that it… it allowed for migration.
• 1:02:31
  Phil: Right. Well, Andy.
• 1:02:32
  Tad Eggleston: You know, there weren't necessarily people.
• 1:02:34
  Phil: Between Russia and Alaska.
• 1:02:35
  Tad Eggleston: But there weren't necessarily people all the way back to be able to… I mean, because it did seem to be referring to, like, Africa to South America, and there's not as much evidence that that…
• 1:02:49
  Tad Eggleston: But again, like, that's hard evidence to have. I mean.
• 1:02:52
  Phil: Well, and I also… I think that at that point, the… whoever was writing that might have just been speculating, and it's interesting how speculation… uninformed speculation can unintentionally overlap with later scientific.
• 1:03:04
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that's possible, but also, since this person was writing more in a sociological manner, wasn't really like a historical or archaeologist, and again, this is long before we started doing that geology, it makes me wonder…
• 1:03:22
  Tad Eggleston: Because we're also much closer to the era where more entertainment came strictly… more entertainment, more learning.
• 1:03:32
  Tad Eggleston: came through conversation.
• 1:03:36
  Tad Eggleston: Rather than strictly through things that have been written down.
• 1:03:40
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:03:42
  Tad Eggleston: And, and, like, look at the ways that
• 1:03:46
  Tad Eggleston: we are then critical of things that are written down, and how to read them, and whatnot. Like, a big… a big point of… of,
• 1:03:55
  Tad Eggleston: Graeber and Wenro… is it Graber and Renro? The dawn of everything.
• 1:04:04
  Tad Eggleston: That a lot of people were reading, and I read and loved, recently.
• 1:04:16
  Tad Eggleston: You know, because it started… it looked at a lot of the… the…
• 1:04:25
  Tad Eggleston: a lot…
• 1:04:27
  Tad Eggleston: New History of Humanity, yeah, David Graber and David Wengro, New History of Humanity is what it's called.
• 1:04:37
  Tad Eggleston: And… and… it was an anthropologist and an archaeologist, so rather… rather than just having… you know, so often the books, you know, the fields aren't as connected. Right. So they were trying to, like, look at
• 1:04:52
  Tad Eggleston: Different stuff, and challenging some of the assumptions that got made, and like…
• 1:04:56
  Tad Eggleston: One of the things that they spent a lot of time with was, like.
• 1:05:01
  Tad Eggleston: Because it got written down in… Europe.
• 1:05:06
  Tad Eggleston: There, there, there was the, the…
• 1:05:12
  Tad Eggleston: the treatment that… that, like, these conversations with the savages weren't conversations with the savages. It was a way to frame the… it was a rhetorical technique for them explaining things to the savages and giving them the good questions to ask, blah blah blah.
• 1:05:32
  Tad Eggleston: But… It was written at a time where those conversations really could have been had, and those conversations
• 1:05:40
  Tad Eggleston: represent what we know about the societies of the people that they came from. So, what if rather than looking at them as a rhetorical convention where the white people were smart and the brown people didn't know anything, we looked at them as real conversations?
• 1:06:03
  Tad Eggleston: You know…
• 1:06:05
  Tad Eggleston: Things like, wait a minute, you say your way of life is better? You have hungry people. You have more disease.
• 1:06:13
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:06:14
  Tad Eggleston: And I like my clothes!
• 1:06:16
  Phil: Right.
• 1:06:20
  Tad Eggleston: how can you say this is better? You allow for…
• 1:06:29
  Tad Eggleston: You know, cause it's interesting.
• 1:06:35
  Tad Eggleston: to look at it differently as, oh, wait a minute, this whole European… culture… Had its values questioned.
• 1:06:48
  Tad Eggleston: Then, too.
• 1:06:50
  Phil: Yeah. Yeah, I mean…
• 1:06:51
  Tad Eggleston: You know, we have a lot of tendency…
• 1:06:54
  Phil: pleasant.
• 1:06:55
  Tad Eggleston: No, I do too, but we have a tendency to look at the written word, and specifically the written word that we have deemed scholarly.
• 1:07:08
  Tad Eggleston: As…
• 1:07:15
  Tad Eggleston: Of more value?
• 1:07:17
  Phil: Well, it's… it's… and that's… that's where it's… it's funny, because I know your… your slight, emphasis on… on what we deem scholarly, and like…
• 1:07:26
  Phil: That's a tough one for me, because on one hand, yeah, some things can be overly pretentious, but on the other hand, there also needs to be, like, a standard of rigor for…
• 1:07:36
  Tad Eggleston: I don't disagree. I don't disagree. Like, like…
• 1:07:43
  Tad Eggleston: But I'm not even talking about pretentious. The scholars are always going to have a view that differs from
• 1:07:50
  Tad Eggleston: the working class people, I mean, when we're…
• 1:07:53
  Tad Eggleston: And I'm not saying we discount the scholars, I'm saying that, like, if you're really trying to get a feel for an era, you need to be reading the scholars, the fiction, the newspapers, the letters that you can find between the
• 1:08:10
  Tad Eggleston: Joe Schmoe and his sister in Kansas City.
• 1:08:13
  Phil: Right.
• 1:08:14
  Phil: And I think…
• 1:08:15
  Tad Eggleston: I know.
• 1:08:16
  Phil: I think, if anything, that there… there are absolutely people doing that, and even doing that.
• 1:08:21
  Tad Eggleston: There are now. I mean, that's a whole new.
• 1:08:24
  Phil: It is, you're right.
• 1:08:25
  Tad Eggleston: You're right, yeah, yeah. My point actually wasn't about whether or not we're doing it now. My point was about how history has been shaped since we started writing things down.
• 1:08:37
  Phil: I see, I see. Okay. Okay. I get what you're saying, yeah. Yeah, cause that's… and that's even… that's.
• 1:08:43
  Tad Eggleston: And how much is lost because it didn't get written down.
• 1:08:47
  Phil: Right.
• 1:08:47
  Tad Eggleston: written down in ways that weren't preserved as well. Right.
• 1:08:51
  Phil: And the ways that our understanding of history continues to change as we continue to get new perspectives on the same writings that might have been.
• 1:08:59
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:09:00
  Phil: Disregarded as…
• 1:09:01
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I still think that, like, I… if I ever had the chance to design a history class, or course, or even, like, my real dream, a set of U.S. history comics.
• 1:09:16
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:09:17
  Tad Eggleston: The biggest key would be…
• 1:09:24
  Tad Eggleston: Tying everything to a global timeline.
• 1:09:28
  Tad Eggleston: you might have a one-shot comic about the Beatles, and you might have a graphic novel about…
• 1:09:34
  Tad Eggleston: the Civil War, and another graphic novel only about Grant during the Civil War, and another graphic novel only about the people during the Civil War, but… but in terms of, like, the teacher resources, or the website, or… or whatever, everything would be tied into a graphic novel, so when you also had
• 1:09:55
  Tad Eggleston: a… a…
• 1:10:00
  Tad Eggleston: graphic novel about minstrel shows, or about Scott Joplin, or about whatnot. You'd realize that it was happening at the same time. You'd know that Beethoven and Franklin shared the Earth. You'd know that… that…
• 1:10:15
  Tad Eggleston: You'd be able to put the blues with the depression.
• 1:10:20
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:10:23
  Tad Eggleston: You know what I mean? I mean, cause…
• 1:10:25
  Phil: Yeah, that's absolutely…
• 1:10:26
  Tad Eggleston: No matter what history we're looking at, we tend to look through Even when it's supposedly broad.
• 1:10:37
  Tad Eggleston: it tends to be through a pretty particular lens. And from a writing standpoint, I get that, but from a teaching and learning standpoint, I feel like the more you can broaden the lens, the better. So, like, the more there's emphasis that
• 1:10:55
  Tad Eggleston: if you read a, a biography of F. Scott Fitzgerald and,
• 1:11:05
  Tad Eggleston: a volume of early Hemingway and a… a economic book on the Depression and
• 1:11:15
  Tad Eggleston: a history book on World War I and its aftermath, and another history book on the Red Summer of 1919, and another history book on the flapper movement in New York. You're really
• 1:11:32
  Tad Eggleston: Reading about all the same thing.
• 1:11:38
  Tad Eggleston: They all live in the same world.
• 1:11:42
  Tad Eggleston: You know… They interact with each other on some level.
• 1:11:49
  Tad Eggleston: What level? Who knows? Because… Unless you find the, the, the story that, that involves… Somebody ti- I mean…
• 1:12:00
  Tad Eggleston: But all of those works, all of that history is a response to the same set of circumstances.
• 1:12:09
  Tad Eggleston: And I think too often, And that's, I mean, to bring it back to what…
• 1:12:17
  Tad Eggleston: we were talking about, what I'm loving already.
• 1:12:20
  Tad Eggleston: in the lands unknown, what's great about Hellboy is…
• 1:12:25
  Tad Eggleston: how much of the universe interacts with each other? How many different stories get told within the same…
• 1:12:33
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:12:33
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's always been, like.
• 1:12:34
  Phil: Well, and especially that Hellboy was kind of an observational figure in a lot of his stories. Like, he was just kind of wandering around and finding stuff, so just having the reader be in that position is an interesting evolution of the storytelling.
• 1:12:51
  Tad Eggleston: Right. But I… I… Go ahead.
• 1:12:54
  Phil: Oh, oh, I also wanted to… so, so a crazy thing to think about in terms of your, your…
• 1:12:59
  Phil: grand, magnum opus is, if anything, too small of a phrase of history graphic novels, is that, I mean, first of all, I'm absolutely…
• 1:13:10
  Phil: I… I think… I think it's… it is, a grandoise… You know, the concept.
• 1:13:20
  Phil: But…
• 1:13:20
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, and just to show you how my brain works, like, if I had the money that I could pitch it.
• 1:13:27
  Phil: Sure.
• 1:13:27
  Tad Eggleston: Or, or, or the… fund it, rather.
• 1:13:30
  Phil: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:30
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, if I had the money that I could produce it, what it could also be is if you're in between projects, or you need to research something for your own project or whatnot, come make money doing this for me.
• 1:13:42
  Phil: Right, right.
• 1:13:43
  Phil: Just do, like, a…
• 1:13:44
  Tad Eggleston: Writing a script that'll be handed off when they've got the time, or whatever.
• 1:13:50
  Tad Eggleston: You know, it could be, like.
• 1:13:54
  Tad Eggleston: It could work as, like, the organizing fund for cartoonists, where they always knew that they had.
• 1:14:02
  Phil: A, a fault.
• 1:14:03
  Tad Eggleston: fire available in an environment that was going to encourage their… They're non-work for hire.
• 1:14:09
  Phil: Yeah. World history, of any kind.
• 1:14:12
  Phil: There's work for you, yeah. Well, so what it gets me thinking about is how, like, history…
• 1:14:19
  Phil: As a concept, is only a representation of the past.
• 1:14:24
  Tad Eggleston: And so…
• 1:14:27
  Phil: Inherently, all histories are incomplete, because the only way to fully… to fully convey what happened in the past was to… to be there and to live through it.
• 1:14:38
  Phil: And not only to be there and to live through it, but to be there and live through it with…
• 1:14:41
  Phil: A compound of perspectives
• 1:14:44
  Phil: from people across the world, because each individual person who lived at that time has their own perspective. So, you know, the only way to understand all of human experience is to experience it.
• 1:14:56
  Phil: So, it's interesting how you have an inherently… you know, history is an inherently incomplete representation of the past.
• 1:15:04
  Phil: But, at the same time, like you said, when you're putting together all of, the different
• 1:15:11
  Phil: elements of an era that influenced each other. I think that at a certain point, you can even examine
• 1:15:16
  Phil: Those things that didn't.
• 1:15:19
  Phil: necessarily exist together and influence each other, and point out, like, how, hey, how did… how did flappers…
• 1:15:25
  Tad Eggleston: That's important, too.
• 1:15:27
  Phil: put juxtaposed flappers with, like, memoirs of the geisha, you know? Right, right. And that's where you can then find history as an infinite well of…
• 1:15:38
  Tad Eggleston: Absolutely.
• 1:15:38
  Phil: perspective.
• 1:15:39
  Tad Eggleston: But that's… there's a term that I love about education that I wish we actually talked about more, which is called the hidden curriculum. What are the things we're teaching.
• 1:15:52
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:15:53
  Tad Eggleston: Because of the way we're teaching. What are the things that we're teaching without trying to teach them? What are the things that we're teaching that aren't on the syllabus, are possibly not even related to the syllabus?
• 1:16:05
  Phil: It's really funny because, yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:08
  Tad Eggleston: And the two things that we… that I think about the most, and I think are biggest, is by choosing what to teach, particularly in things like history, we decide what's important.
• 1:16:21
  Phil: Yes.
• 1:16:22
  Tad Eggleston: And…
• 1:16:23
  Phil: Yeah, yes.
• 1:16:23
  Tad Eggleston: siloing everything.
• 1:16:27
  Tad Eggleston: We give the impression that Things aren't important to… each other.
• 1:16:33
  Phil: Right, and so it's funny, because as you say that, I think, well, the hidden curriculum of most
• 1:16:40
  Phil: history, American history in public schools is…
• 1:16:44
  Phil: patriotism propaganda. Yeah. You know? It's that 100%, that's what it is, and being able to find…
• 1:16:51
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, honestly?
• 1:16:52
  Phil: Huh.
• 1:16:53
  Tad Eggleston: That, that… That's almost the red herring.
• 1:16:57
  Tad Eggleston: hidden curriculum.
• 1:16:58
  Phil: Interesting, okay.
• 1:16:59
  Tad Eggleston: because… The hidden curriculum is… Great men.
• 1:17:07
  Tad Eggleston: This is…
• 1:17:09
  Phil: I'm sorry, I didn't… I didn't hear that, you kind of…
• 1:17:11
  Tad Eggleston: We study great men rather than movements.
• 1:17:16
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:17:18
  Tad Eggleston: They tend to be men.
• 1:17:20
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:17:21
  Tad Eggleston: Even when we study other great individuals, we don't study the movements.
• 1:17:27
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:17:33
  Tad Eggleston: And… We… we really center…
• 1:17:38
  Tad Eggleston: the entire American story around the, like, that rugged individualism that makes people think that, like, if they need help, there's something wrong with them.
• 1:17:48
  Phil: Right. That, and war.
• 1:17:52
  Tad Eggleston: That ties right into it.
• 1:17:54
  Phil: Yeah, yeah. And so, I would actually… I would describe what you're implying there, not as a hidden curriculum, but, like.
• 1:18:03
  Phil: it's like… it's like the absence of it, you know? Like, if anything, the abs… like, what… what is not being talked about, what is being excluded from the American history taught in public schools, is definitely that sort of perspective of, hey, this is not about individual dudes.
• 1:18:22
  Phil: changing the world through their will. This needs to be about everyone. This needs to be about, you know, history. Everyone's a part of history, not just the people whose names are remembered.
• 1:18:35
  Tad Eggleston: But, anyway…
• 1:18:37
  Tad Eggleston: Three books we hope will be spectacular. I got a trio of number ones that became a little bit easier because I read a fourth number one.
• 1:18:48
  Tad Eggleston: 51, number 1, from Kurt Pires and Jock at Mad Cave.
• 1:18:55
  Tad Eggleston: it's kind of a humor around storage at Area 51. Comics! The magazine, number one.
• 1:19:05
  Tad Eggleston: Adam Freeman is editing it for…
• 1:19:08
  Tad Eggleston: Press, love those exclamation points. And, Usagi Yojimbo Kaido, 84, number one, from Jared Cullum and Zach Rosenberg, our first non-Sakai in-universe Usagi Yojimbo. Looking forward to this.
• 1:19:29
  Tad Eggleston: And then Tigers Island from,
• 1:19:31
  Tad Eggleston: Patrick Kindland, EPHAK. Some people are gonna hate this, it totally owes, like, all sorts of stuff, from… from 70s exploitation films, but… but I loved it.
• 1:19:44
  Tad Eggleston: Kindly's a cool guy.
• 1:19:47
  Phil: I remember that one sounding interesting.
• 1:19:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Kindly does… does good stuff. So, yeah.
• 1:19:56
  Tad Eggleston: Phil, this time, you can… you can actually talk about.
• 1:20:00
  Phil: Yeah!
• 1:20:00
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, my giant-sized trade winner graphic novel pick, because it IS…
• 1:20:04
  Phil: It is finally time!
• 1:20:06
  Phil: Penidagos from Berenice Motois de Narbonne, Drawn and Quarterly. The book, the book that League of Comic Geeks misled me to believe was being released last week is actually coming out this week, and it looks like a weird…
• 1:20:21
  Phil: Yeah, just, just strange. Just off-the-wall, sci-fi, futuristic, really impressive-looking art style. I hope that my store ordered a copy so that I can… I can try to pick it up. If not, purchase request from the library, huzzah!
• 1:20:36
  Tad Eggleston: Like, you should have been paying attention when I talked.
• 1:20:41
  Phil: I know!
• 1:20:41
  Tad Eggleston: Before final order cutoff.
• 1:20:43
  Phil: I know.
• 1:20:44
  Tad Eggleston: ordered my copy.
• 1:20:45
  Phil: I know, it's… it's… and this is… this is where, you know, between… between the ADHD and the finances, so much gets… gets fallen.
• 1:20:52
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, but even with your library order, you should just, like…
• 1:20:59
  Tad Eggleston: cut and paste our list. Well, so the… so the.
• 1:21:02
  Phil: The funny thing about that, and I've… because I've put in, actually, quite a few purchase requests at the Nashville Public Library, the book has to be published first. You can't make a purchase request before the book has been published.
• 1:21:12
  Tad Eggleston: That sucks. A little bit, yeah, otherwise, yeah, I'd love to give them pre-orders, to be like, hey, well, and then… Well, no, this is where you gotta actually just figure out who orders the graphic novels.
• 1:21:23
  Phil: I actually think… well, so, and that's the other complicated part.
• 1:21:26
  Tad Eggleston: Them on the show as a guest?
• 1:21:27
  Phil: Okay, so I…
• 1:21:30
  Phil: I don't know if she's still doing it, but I worked with the librarian when I worked at one branch. She, I think, is doing the purchasing for teens and kids, so she gets a lot of the graphic novels.
• 1:21:44
  Phil: but it… the quote-unquote adult graphic novels are somewhat different. So that's the other thing that's kind of interesting, is that I feel like I've had… I've had more approved purchases for adult graphic novels.
• 1:21:54
  Tad Eggleston: Centina.
• 1:21:55
  Phil: graphic novels.
• 1:21:55
  Tad Eggleston: sell them on the idea of having their own Comic Con?
• 1:21:59
  Phil: I think they might. They kind of do. I think they…
• 1:22:02
  Tad Eggleston: Get involved.
• 1:22:03
  Phil: Sir, you know?
• 1:22:04
  Tad Eggleston: same.
• 1:22:05
  Phil: Yeah, you know.
• 1:22:06
  Tad Eggleston: Anyway, for 22 panels, this has been episode 226.
• 1:22:13
  Phil: 26-7.
• 1:22:16
  Tad Eggleston: 6-7… 6-7. Hey, Nate, we'll see you after.
• 1:22:21
  Tad Eggleston: the next page.