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"The Book of Top 10 Beatles Lists"/Charles F. Rosenay [Episode 128] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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At booked on rock dot com. Charles f Rosena is our guest to
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talk about his new book, The Book of Top Ten Beatles Lists. Most
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people have a favorite Beatles song. In fact, most people grew up having
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a favorite Beatle. In this book, sixty four celebrities and Beatles associates revealed
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their top ten favorite Beatles songs, albums, themes, and memories. Charles
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is well known to Beatles fans for over four decades, promoting conventions, festivals
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and events. Since nineteen eighty three, he's hosted the Magical Mystery Tour to
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London and Liverpool during Beatle Week, an event which brings travelers on the ultimate
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fan experience. For almost twenty years, he was the publisher and editor of
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the world famous Beatles magazine Good Day Sunshine. After years of contacting celebrities,
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rock stars, actors, athletes, authors and notables connected to the Beatles history,
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Charles has put together this book for pop culture enthusiasts, music lovers,
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and fans of the greatest rock and roll band in history, the Beatles.
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I put together my own top ten Beatles song list, which you can link
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up to through the show notes page. I'd love to hear what your top
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ten list is. Look for this episode and post yours on the book Down
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Rock Facebook, Twitter, Instagram pages, or by email the Bookdown Rock Podcast
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at gmail dot com. Would love to hear what you come up with for
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your top ten Beatles songs list. Before you come up with your top ten,
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let's hear from Charles f rosen A. Hi, Charles, Welcome to
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the podcast. Great to be here. Arry. Before we get into the
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book, can you talk about your background in Beatles history. This is quite
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a career. Well, you know, I have two first memories in life.
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One was seeing Brider Frankenstein on TV with my mom and then seeing the
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Beatles on the Ed Sullivan Show, and both of those really impacted my life
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because I always wanted to be somehow involved in monster movies and somehow involved in
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rock and roll, became a Beatles producer for festivals and conventions and all that
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cool stuff. Published a magazine on the Beatles for twenty years, have been
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in a ton of monster movies and shorts. And as you know, one
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the reason I'm probably on the show is because I've written a few books recently.
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One was the book of Top ten Horror Lists and now the brand new
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book of Top ten Beatle Lists. So it all started at you know,
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there's this little punky kid who was a nerd and like so many others,
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was a monster kid and a Beatles kid, and somehow grew up to make
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my um bobbies my life in many ways. And you do a tour for
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Beatles fans, right since eighty three. This is our fortieth anniversary of bringing
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fans to London and Liverpool during Beatle Week, which is every year in August,
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and we take the Magical History Tour, which I not only organized but
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I host, and it's it's the ultimate. If you're a sincere Beatles fan
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and you've been to conventions and you've you know, been to McCartney, the
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Ultimate is going to following the footsteps of the Beatles, and we do that
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every single year Liverpool Tours dot com. Thousands of fans of Common have the
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greatest time of their life. And you have met the man himself, Paul
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McCartney. And I was just listening to an interview with Kip Winger and he
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said, you know, that's a guy I've never met. He goes talk
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about he's the only guy who's influenced every musician that's on the planet. So
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let me ask you what is it like to meet Paul? When did you
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first meet him? How many times if you've got to talk with him?
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Yeah, fortunate enough to you know, meet him a bunch of times.
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The first time was backstage when he'd started his tours again and it was at
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the n EC in Birmingham, England, and it was one of those drooling
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moments, you know, the blubber where the mouth is working but you're not
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sure what you're saying and how much you mean to me and what you've you
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know, done for all the fans through the years. I can't begin to
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Fand that's cool. What was funnier was that I was introduced as Okay,
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this is the guy who produces you know, Beatles conventions in American Paul goes,
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oh, that's cool. And this is the guy who publishes a Good
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Day Sunshine the Beatles magazine. Oh good title that. And he's also the
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guy who brings Beatle fans to Liverpool every summer on Beatle tours. Of Paul
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does, oh, when am I going to get my royalties? So he
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broke the eye. Yeah, yeah, that was fun. And met on
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other occasions, but that was that was the one, you know, of
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obviously, I never thought I would. I think it was prior to that.
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A few years prior to that, I had met the Monkeys I met,
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and I'd met Peter Mickey and Davy Um when they were rehearsing to start
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their reunion tour, and I thought, okay, my second favorite group of
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all time. This is it. I'm never gonna you know, go above
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that. And of course getting to meet Paul, getting to ask you know,
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ringo questions, getting to meet George Harrison in an airport, all those
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things, you know, or just life dreams come true and probably led to
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the continuation of my fascination and my love of the Beatles and all the things
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I've done. What I always get the sense with Paul is that he could
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fill a room up with positive energy. Is that the kind of vibe you
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get around him? Oh? Just a happy guy. I mean I saw
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him recently at Yale University. He was at Woolsey Hall and he was doing
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a Q and A or a book Paul Lyrics, and just that whole room
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and the energy. It was just everyone writing on every word, every smile,
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every head gesture, every twinkle, every eye up in the air.
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Yeah, I mean who could. For years people would say, you go
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around the world and everybody on every planet, whether it's Mexico, Canada,
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the Sudan, whatever, New Muhammad Ali and that was probably true and in
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many cases probably the next person to that is probably, you know, Paul
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McCartney around the world, and the influence and the joy he's brought is just
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unsurpassed. So let's talk about the book. You write the introduction about how
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you would never write a Beatles book because you basically covered them extensively every month
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in your magazine Good Day Sunshine. Plus you figured every topic has been covered,
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right not? So can you talk about how the downtime from COVID inspired
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the idea for this book? The book of Top ten Beatles Lists. Yeah.
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So you know, COVID was a horrible, horrible thing, and you
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know, let's you know, bless all the people who made through it and
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said for the people who lost people and got sick from it. It was
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the bright side of it for me making lemonade out of lemons was that I
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was you know, I got back to writing, which I hadn't done extensively
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since I was publishing Good Day Sunshine for a two years, for twenty years,
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and the two years of COVID, I was able to finish the book
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of Top ten Horror Lists, and that sort of said, you know,
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well, this was so accepted and so received and so well you know,
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well reviewed, that it only makes sense for me to do this. The
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version of it for Beatle fans who were saying, hey, how dare you
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put out a horror book before you did a Beatles book? But you answered
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it. I thought every topic was covered. What am I going to write
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about, you know, all the people I interviewed at my Beatles conventions,
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or my memories or experiences. Maybe my kids would be interested in that,
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you know, maybe you would as a fellow you know, fan and broadcaster
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but I didn't think that was enough mass appeal. And then when the Horror
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came out, and you know, so many celebrities, rock stars, horror
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people, athletes, actors, they gave me their top ten lists. I
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thought, well, there's and certainly enough Beatle fans who you know are in
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the celebrity world who will do the same. And I reached out to I
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went to this similar pool, reached out to a lot of my old friends
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who helped me in the first book, and I went beyond that and reached
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out to a ton more again DJs and famous celebrities and pop culture icons and
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said, hey, it doesn't have to just be songs. It could be
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Beatle albums, it could be solo things, it could be anything you pick,
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give me a top ten list. And for those who were not necessarily
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touring or they were back to acting in films and had a few seconds to
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do it, a few days or a few hours, whatever it took,
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they came through and I got some amazing lists. And I'm just really proud
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the book of Top ten Beatles lists. It's not only being acclaimed by Beatle
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fans, who of course are gonna love it, but people who love just
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general interests, top ten lists, celebrity books, and pop culture books.
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It's really spanning that blow above people who love the book. How important was
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that though, for you to say, come up with whatever top ten lists
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you want. He didn't narrow it down, and you got some amazing responses,
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Like Elliot Easton, I emailed you last night as I was reading this,
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I'm like, this is the coolest thing. He came up with a
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list of top ten Beatles middle eights. For those not familiar, what does
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middle eight mean and what are some of the songs? Elliot chose, I
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got the book up in front of me here if we need to go through
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them now, Well, what's interesting is a middle eight for someone who's maybe
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not musical a student enough to know is you get a normal pop song.
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And now it doesn't apply as much because now are just you know, a
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long extended beats. But in the day it was a verse chorus, verse
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chorus, then a bridge, a middle eight, which threw the song into
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a little different direction, and then it came back with either the verse chorus
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or chorus again. And Elliott Easton, who knows his music, realizes that
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that's you know, beatles songs really stood out. A lot of sixties popped
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in, but especially Beatles songs where it was a great song. And then
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there was that bridge, that eight, the middle eight which was different than
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the rest of the song, fifth thematically and sounded amazing. And some of
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the ones he I have it in front of me too, a day in
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the life, things we said today. But the one that he cited his
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number one is this boy and that changes into this book would be happy just
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to love you. But I'm na And that's the middle, which is different
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than the rest of the song. And when beatle bands do that song live,
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that's the part that gets the accolade. Right in the middle of the
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song, it gets usually applause and sometimes screams because it's so different than the
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rest of the song, and the way Lennon sang it and screamed it was
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just so amazing. That's a perfect example. But Elliot Easton's top ten list
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stood out, and I use that a lot when people say, oh,
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well, what did people what did some of your celebrities pick that was different
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than just, you know, ten Beatles songs And Ellie Easton's of course,
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as the Rock and Roll Hall of fame guitarist from the Cars. His list
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definitely stood out for that reason. This boy came up a couple of times,
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if not more. I noticed that come up twice, which is interesting
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because there's some real deep cuts here from the Beatles. Yeah, good call.
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So what we did in the back of the book was we did an
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index where we listed every song that's mentioned in the book and who mentioned it.
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Nappis, who was the drummer from Fudge, Elliot Easton, Terry Sylvester,
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one of the singers from the Hollies rock and Roll Hall of Famer,
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and Gary Puckett, who's a great both lists, those four all you included
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this boy in their lists. So you know, that's a that's a nice
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a nice chunk of people who picked a great song. And I believe Yesterday
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was that got the most mentions nineteen altogether. Go through all the people who
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who picked it ninth Leo Sayer and and cousin Brucie, Tommy Chong from Cheech
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and Chong. But you gotta think that Yesterday is gonna make the list.
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You know, it's a song that was covered by more artists than any other
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song in the history of popular music. So it's gonna get a few votes
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in there, no doubt. Maybe the best of the five star reviews on
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Amazon comes from a fan, Steve Ludwig, who says he's a first generation
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beat A maniac. He says, this book presents new Beatles stories and info
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that even the most diehard Fab four fans would never have known before reading this
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book. Are there any stories or any pieces of Beatles trivia that come to
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mind from the book that you can share that maybe you didn't know about?
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There are I'll give you a hint to. One of them is Cousin Brucie,
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who was famous DJ was on WA beatlec in the day and he's back
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on the air Saturday nights on the same station, tells about a conversation he
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had backstage, probably in the dugout with John Lennon before the Chase Stadium concert.
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I'll just give that as the hint for it, because we want people
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to read the book. But Larry Kane, Larry Kane is a reporter,
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an author, a journalist, an anchorman who toured with the Beatles not as
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an opening act but as a journalist. Him and Ivor Davis were the two
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journalists who joined the Beatles in sixty four and sixty five. Ivor Davis being
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the British version of Larry Kane. He was there when the Beatles met Elvis
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and both of them have written books. Both of them are in this book
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with a chapter. But Larry Kane's article stands out and a lot of people
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have told me that just like Elliot Easton's, because he lists the ten most
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impressionable the concerts that stood out the most and why, and man, that's
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like a book in itself. His chapter is just really tops. Not to
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take away from everyone else's, because I don't think there's a chapter in the
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book, a top ten list in the book that isn't worthy and doesn't deserve
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its own, you know, accolades. But those two, for some reason
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stand out from the crowd. Yeah. One was the San Francisco concert he
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referred to as the root Awakening concert. Yeah, well, I mean that
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wasn't that their last concert? And you know it was a root awakening for
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not just the Beatles but for the fans because until the rooftop, that was
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the last time you would get to see the Beatles live, and only people
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saw him on the rooftop where those few in London, and then of course
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when Get Back finally came out, or the Let It Be movie originally until
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then, that was a big gap between the Beatles final show in San Francisco
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and then the last show on the rooftop. I was just talking to my
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friend today, Chris. He's going to be listening to this because he said
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he would. I told him I'd be talking to He's a huge Beatles fan
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and he knows the history so well. And I said to him, I
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said, Charles talked to I believe it's three guys from the Quarrymen. Now
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you also spoke with Pete Best. So before we get to the Quarrymen guys,
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Pete Best, when did you first meet Pete Best? And how did
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you get him to be part of the book. So Pete and I have
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been friends since the eighties. We met in Liverpool and I met his mom.
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They invited us as part of the tour group on one of the early
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Beatle tours. We went to the Kasbah, they had reopened it. We
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had a party there. I danced with Mona and his mom came close with
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Pete and invited him to come to America. And he was the first of
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my major guests who was ever at any of my Beatle conventions. We brought
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him back twice to Newhaven when we did the conventions in the day, and
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then he came to shows in Columbus, Ohio and Cleveland. In Philadelphia,
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just I brought him to a ton of shows and actually represented him for a
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short while in the US. But we've stayed friends ever since, of course,
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and seen each other numerous times. When we brought the fans over to
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Liverpool. And when I did the Horror book, the Book of Top ten
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Horror Lists, he gave me a list for that, and I thought,
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all right, great, Then getting a list from him for the Beatles book
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will be a breeze. Wasn't that easy? Well, I'll tell you,
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Eric as some of the people really wanted to give a great list, and
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they didn't want to just throw something, and it wasn't as easy as giving
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a list where they wouldn't be judged as much. He puts together ten horror
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movies and gives the reason why. All right, no one gives it a
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thought. Cool One of the Beatles gave Charles a list for the Horror book.
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But if Pete Best is in the book, of top ten Beatle lists.
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It's got to be a worthwhile list, and it took him a long
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time to do it, but I got it both from him and his brother
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Rogue Best, and both of those are great in the book because I'm able
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to say we have a list from a Beatle. Well, we also have
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lists from the pre Beatles. You mentioned the Quarrymen. It's two Quarrymen who
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were original Quarrymen and Quarrymen all through. But it's also Chas Nuby who currently
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plays occasionally with the Quarrymen and was the first left handed bass player in the
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Beatles because Stuart Sutcliffe had remained in Germany in Hamburg and Paul McCartney was playing
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guitar or some piano, whatever the case may be, and they needed a
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bass player and it was Chas Nuby who filled in for the Beatles on four
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dates. So we got Chaz's list in there. So we got Quarrymen,
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we got pre Beatle Beatles, We got one of the Beatles and Pete Best.
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We got one of the Beatles brothers. We got one of the Beatles
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step moms, we got one of the Beatles sisters. We got three or
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four guys related to Badfinger, which was very Yeah, I saw that.
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Yeah, also I thought a real great coup. Yeah, because Paul and
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George had a lot to do with Bad Finger. They produced and wrote songs
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for Bad Finger. Yes, Apple Label. They were there in the book
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as his brute force, who's one of the Apple recording artists that people forgot
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about. So it's a lot of those yeah, famous people. Sure,
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Pete Best, then Dave Winfield and Dick Has Dave Winfield and New York Yankees,
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right, I love it, and he gives a great list, and
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there's a picture of him with Paul McCartney in the book. But it's also
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those factoy type people who if you're a sincere diehard Beatles fan, you're just
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gonna go, wow, how did he get him to get in the book?
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So it spans the gamut of, you know, the die hards and
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the casual fans that were gonna love it. To follow up on Pete Best,
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the story that I've heard regarding Pete is and that I haven't read a
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whole lot about him, but it was difficult for him in the beginning because
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he was there and then Ringo took over, and that was difficult but then
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he For a while there it was difficult for him, but then he embraced
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it. And then and nowadays he's really cool with the whole Beatle's history.
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He doesn't shy away from it at all. Yeah, he's been coming to
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Beatle conventions for forty years. He's been answering the questions for all that time.
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He put out a book called Beatle to Pete Best Story. He's definitely
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embraced it. But don't forget when the anthology finally came out, they used
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a bunch of songs that he was on, so he got a little nice
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you know, bit a change a little It's rumored to be what four million
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pounds, so he got his dude finally. But you know, it's not
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that, it's the fact that he's so great with fans. He has a
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beautiful family, say, wife, kids, grandchildren, you know, the
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best family is loved, respected. They never left Liverpool and they've since opened
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up a Beatles museum, the Liverpool Beatles Museum, which is one of the
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greatest forget just Beatles, one of the greatest museums in the world. So
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he's such an important part of the Beatles fandom, part of Beatles history and
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he's in the hearts of Beatle fans who've ever met him and from whatever we
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call he does tour right, he's got his own band. Yeah, there's
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the best band where him and Rogue do the dual drums, just like Ringo
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and Greg Bissonet or whoever Ringo tours with, and it's always this top notch
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band that's plays not only the classic stuff that was played in the Hamburg and
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the Cavern and the Kasba days, you know, the pre Beatles stuff that
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the Beatles would do. But they put out an album, Hayman's Green,
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which is great if you look that up. It's great pop music. Allah
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dare I say Squeeze and Crowded House and all that. So, yeah,
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Peeps wasn't just a Rell. He's continued to release music through the years with
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his brother and it's great stuff. Yeah, it's a great story. Let's
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talk about Greg Bisenett because I'm a huge David Lee Roth fan, huge Van
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Halen fad. So Greg Bisnette was on Dave's what first three albums solo albums
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and an amazing drummer. Yeah, amazing drummer, what a range. He
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can play any style you ask him to play. Yeah, He's played with
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so many artists, including Ringo. He's been in his all star band.
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Yeah. He came up with the top ten Beatles songs list and some interesting
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choices here. He's a big fan of the End from Abbey Road. He
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said, quote, wait before drummers played with click tracks and loops. Ringo
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played an eight bar drum solo here that locks with the tempo and never budges.
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You can set a metronome to it. I heard so many drummers that
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sit Ringo. Yeah, Ringo's and influenced a lot of drummers. Phil Collins
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comes to mind. Is there a song you would say for you personally?
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That's Ringo's best, his finest moment. He used best in the same sentence
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as Ringo. By the way, I did apologies, that all good,
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all good. First, let's first, let's give kudos to this and that.
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I saw him do a drum clinic in Connecticut at the Sphinx Temple in
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Berlin, I believe it was Berlin, Connecticut. And what first, the
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personality, the clinic itself, everything about him. Then he met everyone.
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He's a great, great guy. Greg. I'm going to send you the
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link to this I love you uh and and he swears by Ringo. So
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here's this astute, learned, classically trained drummer who can play anything in the
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world and still says, you know, Ringo's the greatest, and that's amazing.
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It's funny that I mentioned him prior because that gave you the perfect segue
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without knowing stuff and not knowing that you knew his history, that David Lee
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Roth and all that stuff. Yes, you know that middle the part where
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was Ringo was doing like rain and Paperback Rider, that kind of stuff stands
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out. But you know, as silly as Yellow Submarine is, there's that
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boom and then in the next one it's boom ba boom, that it's boom
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boom, bom boom, that it's boom boom. There's so much things that
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are so that's not out front that if you analyze and separate Ringo's tracks,
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you go, what and this timing is as good as any drummer that's ever
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lived to this day his timing and he's a human metronome, and it's amazing.
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So we give credit where a credit is due because for so many years
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we're like, oh, Ringo, really and the more you study Ringo and
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more drummers who came out in favor of Ringo, you realize that Ringo was
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a great drummer and his all right absolutely. Do you know the one about
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Phil Collins saying that he is nod to Ringo is on That's All where it's
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a little phil like it almost sounds like Ringo on the suitcase. Yeah,
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Phil Collins said to listen, listen for it. It's in there. And
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someone reminded me that on the AM, no, not the AM, the
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mono play out to paperback writer. And I don't know if it's on drums
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or it's actually there's a typewriter sound right at the end of it, which
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we forget about because we want to listen to the CDs and we listened to
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the stereo to the remasters and all that, and so I don't I don't
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think it's ever been asked whether it's an actual typewriter or I fitz Ringo doing
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something special, you know, with sticks. How about some famous TV stars,
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let's talk about them. A couple in the book Lisa Welchal pronouncing right,
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sure, Lisa Welche Facts of Life, she played Blair and Butch Patrick
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Muster. I've seen every episode of the Monsters like a hundred times, which
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is a dear friend. Now our history is goes way back. He was
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at a San Diego's Beatles convention that I was one of the MC's at and
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he had his collection was on display and he was selling some stuff. And
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Eddie Munster is a big Beatles fan. Wow, And he's talked about it
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since he's putting his books and all that, and he's come to my Monkey's
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convention. He's been a guest at my Beatles convention. And of course he
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was in my Top ten Horror List book and he's in now the Top ten
25:03
Beatle List book. But he also was a guest. You mentioned I do
25:08
the Beatles tours to Liverpool. We also do. I also do Dracula tours
25:12
to Transylvania, and Butch was on one of those tours. But he's always
25:17
there for me. He's such a great guy. And his list in the
25:19
Top ten Beatles List book is great. Lisa was was not someone I knew
25:25
or not someone I knew how to reach. But I was on her show
25:29
called Collector's Call a meatv Yeah, and I don't know when this is airing,
25:33
but where this past Sunday I was on her show. I was the
25:37
monkey's expert on the show, and the fan who had the monkey's memorabilia.
25:44
I was assessing the value of her collection. Okay, Now when you say
25:48
this weekend, was it film this weekend or did it air this week filmed
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week Yeah, okay, aired this past weekend on me TV. So that's
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when I had an opportunity to say, Lisa, I want your list,
26:00
and so that's how I was able to get her list. So sometimes it's
26:03
just circumstance, being in the right place at the right time. Had I
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not been on that show, had I not met her, I probably wouldn't
26:10
have thought of her to get a list. Now, on the other hand,
26:12
the other actress who's there's a few actresses, Mackenzie Phillips, but there's
26:17
another actress, Dinah Manoff, who's in the book. And if you're a
26:21
pop culture geek like I am, you know that she was in Greece.
26:23
You know that she was in soap But what you don't know is she ran
26:27
a Beatles fan club when she was a teenager or a youngster, and so
26:33
that was the connection there. Once I found out that she had her own
26:37
little Beatles fan club out of her house, whether it was you know,
26:40
five people or her just her friends or twenty people. I got to reach
26:42
out to her and I got a great list from her, and you know
26:45
the fact that she was in Greece and soap and you know, people might
26:49
not remember the name, but when they see the photo and they see the
26:52
connection, oh yes, oh yeah she is. But when I asked about
26:56
Butch Patrick mentioning that the Beatles visited the Monster set when he wasn't there,
27:02
He wasn't there. When was this? How much do we know about this
27:04
visit? When did they show up? You know, I don't have a
27:07
lot of details on it. He explains it in his book and he's told
27:11
the story numerous times and shame on me for not remembering. But it's kind
27:15
of similar to unless there were there and there weren't pictures. Unless there's pictures,
27:21
Like when John Lennon visited the Happy Days set, you know, people
27:25
never knew about it till pictures came out. And you know the actors of
27:29
that were so happy to that those pictures finally came about because they're actually able
27:33
to share it on their websites a similar scenario. You know, the Beatles
27:37
loved that stuff. The Beatles loved the Monkeys, and there were so many
27:41
pictures of the Beatles visiting the Monkeys and vice versa. But I don't think
27:45
there's any pictures. I mean, wow, how amazing would have been to
27:49
have photos of John Paul, Georgian Ringo next to Herman, Lily and Grandpa.
27:55
That was Remember the Monsters episode where they had that Beatles type and what
28:00
was the real band? Right? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, stands
28:07
so many you know, you can get me going here. It's a whole
28:08
another topic. But there were so many amazing sixties sitcoms where Chad and Jeremy,
28:15
the Bow, Brammels, you know, the standals. These guys would
28:18
just for no real reason. I think even the Gildin's Island had you know,
28:22
the guys couldn't get off the island, but a pop band was able
28:26
to get booked on Ron podcast will return after this, Charles Rosenes. I
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guess brand new book called the Book of Top ten Beatles lists. It's out
28:37
right now. Some really cool deep cuts that make the list in the book.
28:41
I want to go back to the members of Bad Finger. Jeff allen
28:44
Ross. He was in Bad Finger in the nineteen eighties, right, Yes,
28:47
he came up with the ten overlooked and underrated Beatles songs. Jeff allen
28:52
Ross is a great guy. I want to prelude this, and he is
28:55
currently the music director for Peter Asher. So if you see Peter rash or
29:00
live, you will see Jeff as well. So Jeff did a good job.
29:03
You know, I'm not I'm not convinced that Don't Bother Me and Not
29:07
a Second Time are overlooked songs because even though they're you know, not single
29:14
tracks, they were never hits. In my opinion, every any song that's
29:18
on a Beatles album is not overlooked or underrated. But what he did is
29:22
he took a little deeper and went with the solo stuff. So like Arrow
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Through Me, Awaiting On You All, Junk Isolation, Little Lamb, Dragonfly.
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He really gave it some thought. And I know he did because he
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took months before I got the list, and you mentioned, you know,
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yeah, he was in Bad Finger for a little while. But we got
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Ron Griffith, who was in the Ivy's prior to Joey mollind. We got
29:48
Joey Molland of course, who is bad Finger. I mean he now carries
29:52
the torch. The spirit of bad Finger is alive because Joey Molland is still
29:57
out there touring. And then we also got this guy Bob Jackson, who
30:02
people forget when Joey was out of the band for a while, Bob Jackson
30:06
was in the band and Bob still plays as a Bad Finger band bad Finger
30:11
UK or whatever in England only. So yeah, there's four guys with Badfinger
30:17
connections and Jeff was one of them. And I'm glad you mentioned it because
30:21
there's so many lists of just you know, my favorite Beatles songs. And
30:23
then Elliot Easton does the middle eights, Jeff Alan Ross does the forgotten ones
30:30
or the overlooked ones, so good job pointing those out. Yeah, those
30:33
are the ones I love. And the legend Dick Cavitt. How did you
30:37
get Dick to contribute? And can you talk about the list he came up
30:41
with him here's a guy who he had members on his show, legendary appearances
30:45
by Lennon and Yoko. Yeah, I think I think the takeaway from his
30:52
list might not be the list, but what he puts after the list,
30:56
he writes, and these are the stories I can tell, what kind of
31:00
story I love to drive? Just brilliant, you know. His style of
31:07
interviewing was so different than the Carsons and the Joan Rivers and every you know,
31:14
Joey Bishop, whoever else was on Late Night was so on a different
31:18
level. And the fact that he was able to get Beatles on the show,
31:22
and the Beatles trusted him to go on the show, and they were
31:26
friends of his. Dick hab It was someone that I was trying to pursue
31:30
for a lot of other things through the years. To be a guest at
31:33
a Beatles convention in twenty fourteen was it. I did a fiftieth anniversary of
31:41
the Beatles coming to New York and to America, and I did a series
31:45
of concerts in New York. Haraldo Rivera was one of my MC's, Charles
31:51
Growden, the Amazing Crescin, All these people you know were MC's. At
31:55
an event that had Al Jardine from the Beach Boys, Tommy James. It
32:00
was a laundry list of rock stars doing Beatle tribute. And there was the
32:06
fiftieth anniversary of the Beatles in America called NYC fab fifty New York celebrates the
32:12
Beatles fiftieth anniversary. And I want to Dick Habit so badly for that and
32:16
couldn't get him a bunch of things. I asked them to contribute to the
32:21
Horror List book, so many things, and everything was I would like to,
32:24
but I can't, or he would like to, he can't and I
32:28
would. It was always one reason or another, always legitimate reasons. But
32:31
I thought, I'm never going to give up. And for all the things
32:35
that he was not able to do, this was more important to me and
32:39
such a better contribution than any of the other things would have been. And
32:44
his list in the book of Top ten Beatles list is so great that when
32:49
people say, well, who's the proudest one you've gotten there? Yeah,
32:52
I'm honored that John Lennon's sister gave me the foreward, and Bill Harry,
32:57
who we can talk about as if you'd like the afterward, Pete Best and
33:00
every you know, every list I'm proud of. For some reason, Dick
33:04
Havitt adds that little more bit of maybe class or credibility to the book and
33:10
brings it to another level. So thank you for mentioning him. He's somebody
33:15
who I'm just honored to have in the book, and he's an American treasure.
33:19
I wish he still had a talk show or came back interviews because he's
33:22
still on his game. He's on the top of his game. He could
33:24
still do it because I see him, yeah, yeah, And I see
33:29
him appear every now and then. He appears on something here and there.
33:31
But I'm sure he's living happily in retirement these days. Let's just do the
33:37
clip of Forrest Gump and while oh that's right, yeah's head that clip of
33:43
Forrest on Dick havit. I got to ask you about Rod Davison, Lane,
33:47
Gary. Let's talk about those guys because you were talking a little bit
33:50
about Coreyman. We'll talk about their part in Beatles history and maybe share a
33:53
few of their top ten list of Beatles memories. Well, you know,
33:58
before there was Beatles, there was the Quarryman. It was John Lennon's band.
34:00
Before Paul came along. We were playing with the len Garry's of the
34:05
World and Duff John Lowe and Colin Hanton and they said Len Garry, Rod
34:12
Davis and these guys are still in Liverpool they're still playing gigs as the Quarrymen
34:16
every so often for special occasions. You know, they toured America a few
34:22
years ago, back when they were a little younger, and they're all getting
34:23
on in age, so it's tough to nail them down for something like this.
34:30
In a lot of the scenarios, I had to do an interview the
34:35
way we're doing this, and I had to ask them the questions. That
34:38
wasn't the case with the two of them. It was the case with Joey
34:42
Molland it was the case with Frogman Clarence Frogman Henry with Mark Hudson, where
34:47
they didn't want to do the homework. They didn't want to sit down and
34:50
write down. But if I interviewed them and then later transcribe, transposed whatever,
34:53
I would get the top ten list. But both of those came through
34:59
for me and just really proud of it because I'm not that close to those
35:04
guys as I am a Pete Best and so it was really some of these
35:07
were, you know, shot in the darks. It's you don't know me.
35:10
I know you. I've seen you every year in Liverpool when I bring
35:15
fans over. We met at Saint Peter's Church. We met here and there,
35:20
and I had to remind them how I kind of know them and what
35:22
I am in the Beatles world of history. I am the unofficial ambassador to
35:29
America for Beatle fans coming to Liverpool. So all those things kind of opened
35:32
the door. And they probably knew the magazine Gooday Sunshine, So all those
35:37
things gave me gave me enough credibility to say I would love to get a
35:42
top ten list from you and the ones that were you able to do it
35:45
and remember who I was, and all that came through. And those two
35:50
Quarrymen were examples of if I call them on the phone, I said,
35:53
hey, this is Charles, it would be Charles Hoho, Charles Rose Nay,
35:57
I know the name, what's it from? You know? And I'd
35:59
have to go deeper and deeper. So those are two situations of that where
36:02
I really had to go deep. But once they came through, I think
36:07
both their lists were really good. Rod Davis his memories hearing Lonnie Donnigan's Rock
36:13
Island Line for the first time, which of course was a big influence on
36:16
all the Mersey bands at the time. The day his parents brought him a
36:21
banjo, which led to him being in a band with John Lennon the day
36:25
he was asked to join the Quarryman. The photo of the Quarrymen in Blueberry
36:30
Street, Roseberry Street in June of fifty seven with John Lennon, the famous
36:35
picture that has him and Lennon on the same you know, Laurie going down
36:39
the road at that famous event, and then his dad's photos of the Quarrymen
36:45
on the back of the truck, and it's just the recording of the Quarrymen
36:51
with John Lennon singing on a tape and how they got to play the cavern.
36:55
It's you know, I forget about thank you for bringing that. I'm
37:00
thanking you a lot because I forgot that. There's so much stuff that's in
37:08
the book that goes beyond the list. And if you're a Beatles fan,
37:14
you're getting some history and you're getting some tidbits that aren't anywhere. He said,
37:19
you could have come. I guess John said, pity, you can't
37:22
play drums. You could have come to Hamburg and play with us, And
37:25
he writes another missed opportunity to become a Beatle. These guys we didn't think
37:30
about were so close you know, to being a Fab four or Fab five,
37:37
And of course it was meant to be, you know, the bigger
37:39
picture. I always say the stars aligned when the Beatles appeared on The Ed
37:45
Sullivan Show, but they started the stars aligned before that because it was meant
37:50
to be. Pete Best was a great drum or, a great personality,
37:53
a great guy, but he wasn't a Fab four. He wasn't the mesh
38:00
for John, Paul and George. And you know, whether he whether he
38:04
sees it or not, it's the truth. Will they would they have gone
38:07
as far as they did with Pete or not? I mean that's a whole
38:12
book, that's a whole speculation that we can talk about forever. I think
38:15
they would have. But would they have been as happy? Would they've been
38:20
as creative? You know, they loved Ringo. They loved Ringo more than
38:22
Pete. You know, why does somebody love a friend more and want to
38:27
be with a friend more than another friend. Yeah, they were mates with
38:30
and buddies with Pete, you know, longer than Ringo. But there was
38:35
something that clicked and it proved. I mean, you'd look look at the
38:38
success, look at the fact that we're talking about a band whatever. Sixty
38:42
years later they did. Okay, they did, They did pretty decent.
38:45
You know, you either either come out of Southern as a as a as
38:50
a broadcaster and you do great that way, or you come out of private
38:53
joke for us, or you'd come out of Liverpool and you become the biggest
38:59
sensation that the world has ever had. Yes, Charles and I are graduates
39:01
of Southern Connecticut State University in New Haven. That's right, that's right.
39:07
Let's talk Billy Harry. He created Mercy Beat, a newspaper in the early
39:10
sixties focused on the Liverpool music scene. Can you share a few picks from
39:15
the very interesting list he came up with, which has to do with the
39:19
ladies in the Fab four's lives? I love another great list, another product
39:22
of you come up you want? Yeah? Right, Bill Harry first of
39:28
all, love him. Only met once at one of my Beatles conventions in
39:34
Detroit that I was hosting. But Bill Harry and I have shared so much
39:38
through the years. As he was writing books, I was reporting on them
39:43
in Good Day Sunshine. As I was publishing this magazine, Good Day Sunshine.
39:46
He was my English correspondent and he would send me articles on all these
39:52
bands that the world never heard of, and here I was reporting on the
39:57
Beatles and his article was talking about the Undertakers or the Mersey Beats, or
40:02
the Swinging Blue Jeans, all these amazing other Mersey bands. And so I
40:07
always had a high unrash for him because aside from that, he's the guy
40:12
who reported on the Beatles in Liverpool before they were known, and he's the
40:16
one who did those Mersey poles which put the Beatles finally at number one.
40:21
And I said, you know, I'd love to have a top ten horror
40:24
list from you, and he gave me one after my book was published,
40:29
so that's been put on the side, and if I ever do a volume
40:31
two of that, he'll be in that. But it was the scariest places
40:36
in Liverpool, by the way. He was even thinking out of the box
40:38
for that. When I requested a list for this, I also asked them
40:43
to write the foreward for it. Gave me a great piece on that and
40:47
then he said, Charles, I'm gonna give you an article which I think
40:51
is going to be great as a top ten, but you might not want
40:53
to print it. And I said, this is all an email. I
40:57
said, Bill Harry, you could tell me the top ten places the Beatles
41:01
urinated on the streets of Liverpool and I will print it, but anything.
41:07
I didn't really say that to him, Eric, I'm kidding, but you
41:09
know I would too. I would have printed anything he gave me. And
41:15
he caught out of the box and he said, kind of the loves that
41:17
got away, the top ten Beatle gals who they never wound up married,
41:22
but they had relations with and you talk about these six degrees of separation.
41:29
One of the gals, he mentions, Bernadette Burne Byrne, happened to wind
41:36
up marrying. She dated George Harrison, right, she was one of those
41:39
cavern girls. She happened to marry Mike Byrne, who was a Liverpool musician.
41:46
The two of them opened up The Beatles Story, which was the first
41:52
exhibition in Liverpool if you want to call the Beatles a Beatles museum so to
41:58
speak. Went on to write a book about it, and that is currently
42:04
one of the top attractions in all of England, not just Liverpool. The
42:08
Beatles Story. And it wasn't for them, that might never have happened.
42:12
So she's in the book. Not only in Bill Harry's list as one of
42:16
those not birds because we can't call them that the ten girls they left behind.
42:22
But she's also in the book with her husband Mike, giving a top
42:27
ten list and they were both there at the time, so their lists are
42:30
really cool because they knew the Beatles, they played in the same clubs as
42:35
the Beatles, or attended Beatles shows at the Cavern. And there's even a
42:38
rare picture of her with George Harrison in the book. And there's a picture
42:43
of Paul McCartney with Dorothy Roan. That's the one. Yeah, I was
42:46
gonna say, you got some really rare photos in there. Yeah, who
42:49
was in the book? So really proud of not just yeah, we don't
42:53
even mention this. There's an amazing list, but there's amazing photos. And
42:57
I'm really proud of the photos that I put it in from my collection because
43:01
I was happy, you know, and lucky enough to meet so many of
43:04
these people, and in the cases where I met them, I tried to
43:07
put in the pictures of me with them. Booked on Ron podcast will return
43:12
after this. How about Paul McCartney's sister Ruth, who gives readers a great
43:17
look at historic locations in early Beatles history. Yes, places that she remembered.
43:22
And these are like old school sites. What are a few that stand
43:28
out? A lot of them pubs, a lot of them, places to
43:30
go drinking, places to go, you know, knock one down to have
43:34
a Guinness or two. I loved her list because again it wasn't your top
43:38
ten Beatles songs, and nothing wrong with that people who did that, but
43:43
that was nice to get as a change. You read two lists of Beatles
43:45
song lists and then you find oh wow, she called it. There are
43:49
places I remember, which is perfect, and it's the Beatles places she remembered,
43:53
and a lot of them were pubs. But for example The Empress,
43:59
which is a play that you can definitely drink. We go there when we
44:01
do our Beatle tours. But it was on the cover of Ringo Sentimental Journey
44:06
album, so that was a perfect tie into a great place. We can't
44:10
just mention Ruth who was Paul's stepsister without mentioning Angie, who's Paul McCartney's stepmom.
44:19
She married Jim McCartney and her list is in the book two. She
44:23
gave me a list in the horror book You Would Never believe that they list
44:27
in the Horror Book too, but hers were really special because what she did
44:30
is she gave me her top memories of being you know, of Paul McCartney's
44:37
stepmom, how she first met with Paul, her cousins, all that good
44:43
stuff. And then she went into her favorite songs and we mentioned you know,
44:47
yesterday and that was her favorite. But she threw in some surprises,
44:52
you know, while my guitar gently weeps and act naturally. Whereas Ruth again
44:58
gave her favorite places. If you've ever gone on any of my Beatle tours
45:01
Liverpool tours dot com, some of the places that are listed are places that
45:07
are still around and that we still go to, and of course Penny Lane
45:12
and the Cavern and the Kazba, but some that you know, somebody might
45:15
not, you know, think of right off the bat, a place called
45:19
the White Star where the Beatles you know, would meet after their gigs,
45:23
or the Anglican Cathedral. And I don't want to give away like every bit
45:27
of the book, but you know, you're mentioning some really cool lists and
45:31
some really cool people and the fact that I have a McCartney in there,
45:36
and a Lenin relative and all these people that played with the Beatles. Yeah,
45:39
it gives the Beatle fans something to latch onto. But I think you
45:45
mentioned Steve Ludwig who gave me a nice review. Thank you Steve, and
45:49
the Amazon book. It's the fact that you're getting tidbits of information and I
45:54
think we touched on that earlier that really haven't been in other books. And
45:59
the fact that it's all in the same book that also has the fun part
46:02
of aspect of it of the Beatle List. It's a nice addition to a
46:07
Beatles library where you know you've gotten all the histories and you've gotten all the
46:13
biographies. Well, I think you're not expecting to get as much info and
46:19
facts and surprising stories in a top ten list book. So that's the bonus.
46:24
That's the gravy with the book of top ten Beatle Lists, sixty four
46:30
people in all. One last one I want to ask about before I ask
46:32
you quickly about your own list. No soup for you, guy Seinfeld.
46:37
Fans know who this Larry Thomas, No soup for you. How did he
46:43
end up in this book? And what was his list? When people ask
46:46
me to think of the actors who are in the book, you know,
46:50
or the TV people. I always forget to mention him. My first go
46:54
to was Mackenzie Phillips, you know, yeah, right time, because she
46:59
also you know, Mama's in the Papa's history. Larry Thomas and I were
47:04
at the same convention in New Jersey called Chiller Theater. There's a Chiller Theater
47:08
Expo which I happen to be a guest at upcoming April twenty eight, twenty
47:14
ninth, and thirtieth at Parsippany Hilton in Parsippity, New Jersey. I'll be
47:19
signing copies of all my books. I'm also bringing Melanie, the famous singer
47:23
from Woodstock as it get, She'll be there signing books. But when I
47:29
put out the book of Top ten horror lists, I was a guest at
47:31
Chiller and in the next room was Larry Thomas, and I thought, Wow,
47:37
should I he's sitting there, he doesn't have a big line. Should
47:42
I buy an autograph and ask him for a list? I just went in
47:45
there and we talked for a while. He's such a nice guy. He's
47:51
not a soup natzi. He's not you have the picture him that top ten
47:55
list for you. He did not said, He said, can I do
48:00
it when it's quiet and give it to you tomorrow. I'm like, yeah,
48:05
Eric, he gave me a top ten horror list, which will eventually
48:07
go in the next book. And he gave me a Beatle list pal,
48:10
and he knew his stuff right. He included the Abbey Road Medley as one
48:15
of his favorites, and you know a lot of group songs, but he
48:20
threw in, isn't it a pity? And he writes a simple, honest,
48:23
heartbreaking realization from George that's really how does he come up with that?
48:30
Just sitting at a convention in between signing autographs. So yeah, he gave
48:32
a lot of thought to his list and gave me a great list. I'm
48:37
just so proud to have. You know, so many great people in here.
48:40
And you know, when you talk about sixty four different lists, I
48:45
forget some of them. And when I do these interviews, it's the top
48:49
ones that come to mind, but it's all the others that you know deserve
48:52
mentioning. So Larry Thomas, we salute you. Oh yeah, so let's
48:57
finish out with your own list. What list did you come up with?
49:00
And could you just share a few picks. I wish that I worked on
49:05
my list for a few years, because growing up I would always be one
49:10
of these nerdy kids who would do a top one hundred songs of the Year
49:15
list, my top ten favorite movies of the year list. I mean literally,
49:19
from when I was a little kid, I would do list, list,
49:22
list, list list. I said, I could never do a Beatles
49:24
list because I loved every Beatles song and it would be like picking a favorite
49:30
child. You know. I thought I could never do it. But growing
49:32
up here, there and everywhere, it was always the song I said,
49:36
would someday be my wedding song? Well it was. It was one of
49:39
two, and the other one was a Monkey song because Davy Jones proposed to
49:45
my wife on my behalf and played one of his songs. So at the
49:50
wedding. Wait a minute, how did this all play out? Tell us
49:52
this story time out? How did he end up asking for you? Well?
50:00
Owned Davy Jones for quite a long time, and he was a dear
50:02
friend and legend, Yeah yeah, legend. He'd been to He'd been at
50:08
my Monkey conventions as a guest. He was at a Beatles convention in Stanford,
50:14
Connecticut as as a guest in the mid nineties, and I knew he
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was appearing at Mohegan's Son at the Wolfstend in Connecticut, and I it was
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the time I was dating my now wife, and she came with me.
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One of my best friends, Mike Strieto at the time, came with me.
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My dad was still alive. Four of us came and I'd written a
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bunch of his email. I left a message on his phone every well possible
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way, Hey, will you propose to my wife on my behalf at the
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show. I had no confidence that he got any of those, because he
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was touring. It's very possible that he didn't check any of the above,
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so I left a note at his room. I left a note with the
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sound man. When he came on stage, I slipped another note to one
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of the members, and sure enough, before he played the song I Would
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Love You Forever, he made a big announcement about his friend Charlie, which
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he knew I didn't like to be called Charlie, but he felt, all
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right, he's my buddy. I can say it. He said, I
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hope he's done the nasties and gotten on his knees and proposed to his wife,
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which I hadn't yet, but then he said, Melissa, you know,
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Charles wants to marry you, and she was all flustered in the crowd
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applauded and it was really special, and one of my friends had recorded it,
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so we have a recording of it, which is really special. And
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then he was a second late night show and apparently he said, I don't
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know if Charles came to the second show too, but in dedicating this to
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him and his new fiance again the second show, so we played that and
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here, there and everywhere at my wedding. That's great. And through the
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years, somehow while my guitar gently weeps has sneaked up on me every band
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that plays it, I'm like, yeah, this is the highlight of the
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of the Beatle tribute band show. And it was a song that growing up,
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you know, I was everything was Paul with me and John was second,
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and yeah I love George, but none of his songs resonated with me
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except for maybe something and here and here Comes the Sun. But while my
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guitar and gently weeves was in that race, I just never knew it was
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in that race. Who was behind all the others? And somehow creeped up
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forward. So when I talked about my favorite Beatles songs, that's always up
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in the top um and the third of the three I list before I go
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into other reasons for picking other songs, was and your bird can sing.
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And it's really funny because I managed a band called the Hoffner's, my friend
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Mike's Trito's band. And I was on a radio station a long time ago,
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WCCC and Hartford. I was there. Well, you were on the
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other. I was on the other. Was on the air as a guest.
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Oh, I was. I was Fletch. I was the DJ Fletch
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in the I don't believe it. That's so funny. Yeah, anyway,
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sorry, I think it was the afternoon job. You went to that building
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that was kind of dangerous area, terrible neighborhood. Yeah. The program director
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when he hired me for five dollars an hour, he said it was overnight's
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weekends. He says, park your car is close to the door as you
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can. I said, why, oh no, no, no, nothing
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will happen. Don't worry. Just in case I remember. It was one
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of the few times I actually put the club in my steering wheel. Yes,
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oh yeah, yeah, I went in and he goes, all right,
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so we're interviewing you about your Beatles convention. I'm gonna play a song.
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What's what's currently the song that you want to hear more than any other
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song? And don't say, well, and don't say and your bird can
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say, Eric, that was the song I was ready to say. And
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I said, and your bird can sing. He says, you're only saying
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that because I said not to. I go no. I love the guitar
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parts on it. I love that I want to play that play that song.
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It's the one that no one ever requests. So that was always you
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know, it's a great song. Is it's such a long well, I
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got to come up with my own top ten. I'm gonna put a list,
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you know, Spotify list, and and I think across the universe might
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be my number one, and I know it's not. It's in your book.
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Once Leo Sayer mentioned just yeah, he's the only one who means he's
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the only one according to what I'm looking to hear. Yeah, that's very
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surprising. And had a top twenty, it probably would have found its way
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in there. It's really great. You know, when I when I my
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kids were very young. I put together discs called Beatles for the kids compilations,
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and it was the obvious stuff Yellow Submarine, Maxwell, Silverhammer, She
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Loves You, Yeah, yeah, yeah, the songs that I felt they
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needed to rudimentually learn before I ease them into other stuff. But all together
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now and and across the universe were on that first one. It's hard man
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to come up with a top ten lists. You're talking the Beatles, right
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man. So the book just came out, the Book of Top ten Beatles
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list. So people can get it through all the usual places. It's through
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Kiwi Publishing. Yeah, but they're a Connecticut publisher and they put out In
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Between Heart my second book called True ghost Stories of Connecticut. I speak that
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in between the best play Thank You. I would love that. The best
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place to get the book if you just want a regular copy, Amazon free
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shipping, get it a second day. However, they do their magic and
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it's easy to get. It's the book of Top ten Beatles lists. But
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if you want to get a signed copy and you want me to write,
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you know, to Eric or two whoever's listening, and I autograph it and
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sign it, you can see me at a library. You can see me
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at a personal appearance, or you can shoot an email it to a book
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of top ten the number ten not to een Book of Top ten Beatles Lists
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at gmail dot com, and the website is the same Book of Top ten
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Beatles Lists dot com. The other email is at Gmail and too mixed up.
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So the Beatles Tour is www. Liverpool Tours dot com. The email
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for the book is Book of Top ten Beatles Lists dot com. The email
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is Book of Top ten Beatles Lists at gmail dot com. I have so
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many library appearances. If you do go to the Facebook and you find Charles
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Rosnay, I'll usually list all my appearances like this. This Record Store Day
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is coming up on Thursday of this week. I'm gonna be at Merles,
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Record Rack and Orange on Sadday, I'm gonna be at Exile on Main Street
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in Branford. And this is all Connecticut, of course. Um, but
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all Well said no, They said no Roland, Wallingford. Um, they
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said, um, record Day, that that whole weekend is too busy anyway
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that they put into assigning. It's okay, Well, you are welcome back
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here anytime. Charles, thanks so much. This was a blast. Eric.
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Thank you, that's it. It's in the books,