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Did We Just Win the Culture War? Evita + Emily Jashinsky (Ep.135) · V

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  Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to Bongino Report Early Edition. Today,
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  Speaker 1: I am joined by a very exciting guest, Emily Jasinski,
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  Speaker 1: UnHerd's DC correspondent, host of the Undercurrents podcast, and co-host
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  Speaker 1: of the CounterPoints podcast. She's a very busy lady. Emily,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being here.
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  Speaker 2: Avita, thank you for having me and congratulations on all
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  Speaker 2: the success over here.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Now, Emily, before I jump into all the topics
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  Speaker 1: we have today, because I want everybody to know that
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  Speaker 1: you and I used to work together. Before you were
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  Speaker 1: at UnHerd, before I worked for Dan Bongino, we were
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  Speaker 1: writers at The Federalist. And actually, when I started out
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  Speaker 1: as an intern in college, Emily was the intern manager, coordinator.
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  Speaker 1: What would you say your title was, Emily?
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  Speaker 2: The czar.
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  Speaker 3: The intern czar. And I was definitely the best intern.
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  Speaker 3: Is that true?
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  Speaker 2: Ooh, you're putting me on the spot. Yes, of course. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So Emily, I feel like you and I.
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  Speaker 1: by force, but also it's a good thing, have been
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  Speaker 1: on the same beat for years now, working at The Federalist.
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  Speaker 1: And that is just how bad the establishment media is
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  Speaker 1: at their jobs. I mean, Molly Hemingway, Sean Davis at
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  Speaker 1: The Federalist, everyone had this goal of exposing the propaganda press.
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  Speaker 1: That was really The Federalist's mission. And this week was
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  Speaker 1: huge in exposing the propaganda press. We learned that in
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  Speaker 1: some cases, we're dealing with actual paid propaganda from the government. Politico,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, has been receiving USAID funds, so taxpayer dollars
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  Speaker 1: to the tune.
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  Speaker 3: Of $ 8.
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  Speaker 1: Million in the form of subscriptions. And I have to wonder,
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking about this, there was the defund or
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  Speaker 1: the who funds the Federalist scandal and all these allegations that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the right-wing media has all these dark money funders.
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  Speaker 1: And then we realized, oh, the propaganda press, the establishment media,
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  Speaker 1: they're actually funded by the government. And does the Federalist
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  Speaker 1: have to find a new mission? Do we need something
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  Speaker 1: else to report on because you have MSNBC now laying
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  Speaker 1: off staff? Is this the nail in the coffin for
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  Speaker 1: the establishment media's credibility, but I think also perhaps their
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  Speaker 1: bottom line?
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is, I mean, their bottom lines could be
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  Speaker 2: taking a significant hit just because of the scandal of subscriptions.
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  Speaker 2: And it's one of those things, I was really amused
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  Speaker 2: yesterday watching people on Twitter react to the reality that
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  Speaker 2: these Politico Pro subscriptions are like $ 10, 000 a pop. I
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  Speaker 2: think it might even be more than that in some cases,
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  Speaker 2: but at least around there. I mean, they're really, really expensive.
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  Speaker 2: Same thing with places like Roll Call. There are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of subscriptions. Punchbowl, it's not entirely unusual in DC.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, a lot of congressional offices have them. And
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  Speaker 2: so if you're subscribed to Politico Pro, it's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of lobbying shops, subscribe to them, whatever, but it's a
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  Speaker 2: huge huge part of Politico's business. It's a huge part
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  Speaker 2: of Punchbowl's business. And people were sort of realizing this yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: seeing how much government money has been going into them
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  Speaker 2: from congressional offices. And that's going to be, if these
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  Speaker 2: congressional offices are pressured to take those payments away, if
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  Speaker 2: there's some type of like doge regulation that says you
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  Speaker 2: can't pay for Politico Pro, that is a huge problem
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  Speaker 2: for Politico because it's a really big chunk of their business.
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  Speaker 2: And I also, Evita, went to the grant that I
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  Speaker 2: think people saw like BBC was also getting USAID money.
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  Speaker 2: And that's direct government grants. If you go to what
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  Speaker 2: BBC's program that got the grant, if you look at
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  Speaker 2: that sort of vertical, it's like their media outreach. It
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  Speaker 2: looks like a charity when you go to the website.
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  Speaker 2: It is absolutely hilarious. It's so flimsy. All of this
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  Speaker 2: is fungible. And it is literally just money coming from U.S.
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  Speaker 2: taxpayers going to BBC, going to outright censorship organizations. Michael
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  Speaker 2: Schellenberger has documented a lot of this. groups that are
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  Speaker 2: actually actively pressing for American media, American journalists to be censored.
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  Speaker 2: It is such a racket. So it's been a lot
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  Speaker 2: of sunlight this week and way overdue.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think one of the questions a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people had was, well, why is this happening? And this
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  Speaker 1: is a question that we've been trying to answer. I
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  Speaker 1: think we have answered for a while now. What is
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  Speaker 1: the incentive to fund propaganda press here, but also abroad?
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  Speaker 1: And one of these suggestions from Mike Benz, who is
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  Speaker 1: former State Department official, deep state whistleblower, he says, you know,
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  Speaker 1: our intelligence and even NATO, right?
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  Speaker 3: So he calls it the blob, right? They hate populism.
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  Speaker 1: They fear populism because it's a threat to centralized powers.
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  Speaker 3: It's pretty intuitive.
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  Speaker 1: So people like Victor Orban, Brexit, the Vox Party in Spain,
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  Speaker 1: President Trump, they are a real threat to the power
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  Speaker 1: of the blob. And so they have to promote these
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  Speaker 1: censorship efforts here and abroad. And do you think that
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  Speaker 1: with Trump sort of cutting off the life source of
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  Speaker 1: this censorship regime, we're going to see populism start to
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  Speaker 1: really organically rise in the West?
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's a really interesting question because part of
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  Speaker 2: me thinks what we start to see more and more
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  Speaker 2: is a technocratic crackdown along the lines of what we
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  Speaker 2: saw after 2016 when Democrats tried to basically seize Facebook
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  Speaker 2: and were basically successful at seizing Facebook. or other, you know, Twitter,
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  Speaker 2: same thing. Over and over again, we saw the control
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  Speaker 2: being seized and increasing more and more. They were getting
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  Speaker 2: bigger slices of the control pie because one of the
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  Speaker 2: crazy things about technology is that it centralizes so much
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  Speaker 2: of our conversation. You know, you don't have to go
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  Speaker 2: in and duct tape the mouths of people 10 different
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  Speaker 2: bar stools around a country, you can just go to
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  Speaker 2: one platform where so much of these conversations are being hosted.
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  Speaker 2: And that's such a temptation to elites, because I think
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  Speaker 2: to the point you were making about Mike Benz, this
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  Speaker 2: is about control and they fear things that they cannot control.
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  Speaker 2: It's why they crack down on some populist left stuff
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  Speaker 2: as well. If you can't control it, you are afraid
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  Speaker 2: of it and you want to bring it under your apparatus.
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  Speaker 2: You want to bring it under your control. So part
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  Speaker 2: of me thinks what we are going to see is
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  Speaker 2: a shot in the arm to those efforts. But they're
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  Speaker 2: also losing so much power via DOGE, via actual uprisings
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  Speaker 2: in different countries in Europe that has taken power away
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  Speaker 2: from them. desperation can create very dangerous situations. And I
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  Speaker 2: sort of fear, Evita, that there's more and more desperation
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  Speaker 2: among technocratic elites who are really worried about losing their control.
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  Speaker 2: So we could be seeing a heightening of both, a
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  Speaker 2: heightening of organic populist uprising and the crackdowns.
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  Speaker 1: There's this, I mean, I think Sean Davis has been,
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  Speaker 1: our former boss has been articulating this pretty well on
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  Speaker 1: social media, that it's essentially a CIA slush fund is
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  Speaker 1: what USCID was. And that we were promoting American, not
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  Speaker 1: ideals abroad, but really illiberal ideals abroad and overthrowing governments
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  Speaker 1: that were threatening to us. Maybe they were a populist
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  Speaker 1: government and our CIA said, oh, we're not.
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  Speaker 3: In favor of that. We're going to get rid of them.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess the question is, is this is this
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  Speaker 1: going to continue? Or are we going to see a
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  Speaker 1: shift in perhaps exporting a different kind of American ideal?
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  Speaker 1: So instead of a liberalism, perhaps authentic American values. I
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  Speaker 1: think on a much less nefarious example of this would
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  Speaker 1: be yesterday or a couple of days ago, we had
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  Speaker 1: Trump sign this bill about women's sports, finally protecting it
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  Speaker 1: against men who want to infiltrate it. And then he
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  Speaker 1: signaled that hey, the Olympics are going to actually have
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  Speaker 1: to comply as well. I expect them to not allow
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  Speaker 1: men to participate in women's sports at the Olympics going
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  Speaker 1: to be held here in America in 2028. So are we,
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  Speaker 1: do you think that the Trump admin is going to
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  Speaker 1: just stop influencing foreign governments or are we going to
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  Speaker 1: have a different kind of cultural export?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is probably the biggest question for the intelligence
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  Speaker 2: community period right now. And I'm really curious to see
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  Speaker 2: how this plays out. One of the hardest things that
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  Speaker 2: I had to reckon with as an American is when
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  Speaker 2: I realized that our soft power was being used to
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  Speaker 2: undermine the Christian cultures in South American countries, right? If
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  Speaker 2: you look at some of this USAID spending, why were
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  Speaker 2: we funding trans operas in Colombia? That's just one example,
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  Speaker 2: but all over the world. And if you're a Christian
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  Speaker 2: community in a developing country and the United States is
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  Speaker 2: coming in and using its soft power to fund some
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  Speaker 2: of these efforts, it's deeply, deeply offensive. And to reckon
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  Speaker 2: with that is tough, but you go back and obviously
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  Speaker 2: we've been doing this for decades in the fight against communism.
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  Speaker 2: This is all coming out of the end of World
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  Speaker 2: War II and the beginning of the Cold War. And
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  Speaker 2: we did it many, many times. The CIA was instrumental
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  Speaker 2: in the founding of the Paris Review, for example. This
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  Speaker 2: is really old history. And this is another reason to
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  Speaker 2: get back to the technocratic elites. They have a really
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  Speaker 2: hard time resisting the control that is now at their fingertips.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's going to be true of somebody
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  Speaker 2: who's on the right or on the left. And there's
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  Speaker 2: a good argument to be made that it's the right
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  Speaker 2: thing to do if you see that there's a population
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  Speaker 2: starving somewhere. Let's just say, hypothetically, we have our own
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  Speaker 2: house in order, which is hard to believe. And you
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  Speaker 2: see a population starving somewhere that you end up feeding
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  Speaker 2: them and addressing famine and addressing legitimate genocides. These are
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  Speaker 2: worthy causes that can actually help keep us safer at
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  Speaker 2: home because they can increase the positivity with which other
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  Speaker 2: people in the world see the United States. So I
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  Speaker 2: think there's an argument to be made for that. But
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  Speaker 2: I think Donald Trump recognizes that there's just absolutely no
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  Speaker 2: appetite with the American people right now. to be spending
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  Speaker 2: money elsewhere because this is something you talked about all
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  Speaker 2: over for, what, the last 10 years. People don't feel
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  Speaker 2: like our house is in order. So what are you
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  Speaker 2: gonna do? I mean, I have a hard time thinking
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  Speaker 2: that he believes the people will stomach it if you
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  Speaker 2: see it coming from, for example, a Rubio State Department
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  Speaker 2: or a much smaller Rubio USAID. The last thing I'll say, Evita,
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  Speaker 2: is the vibe shift that a lot of people felt
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  Speaker 2: culturally after the election. I think you can feel it
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  Speaker 2: here in Washington, D.C., because what it's doing is switching
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  Speaker 2: the permission structure, the permission structure to just not engage
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  Speaker 2: in some of this foreign meddling. You know, if you're
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  Speaker 2: getting fired, if you're getting laid off, if you're getting
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  Speaker 2: bought out, it's been chilling. And I think in some
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  Speaker 2: ways for the better.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you have, I mean, you definitely have people who
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  Speaker 1: probably have a lot less power, who are afraid, they're
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  Speaker 1: going to the shadows, they're actually doing the job that
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  Speaker 1: the administration has tasked them with, like you just laid out.
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  Speaker 1: But then you also have Democrats, bureaucrats and Democrat representatives
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  Speaker 1: and senators in Congress who flipping out, they're in the streets,
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  Speaker 1: they're protesting, they're screaming on the top of their lungs,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, mad about the, you know, Doge and the
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  Speaker 1: cutting of USAID funding. And I'm just, I want to
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  Speaker 1: read to you, Emily, some of the, because you talked
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  Speaker 1: about the transgender operas that we've been funding abroad. There
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  Speaker 1: are so many insane projects that we were funding. $ 40
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  Speaker 1: million on AIDS drugs for transgender prostitutes in South America. $ 425, 000
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  Speaker 1: for Indonesian coffee companies to become more climate and gender friendly.
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  Speaker 1: $ 14 million in cash vouchers for immigrants at our southern border.
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  Speaker 1: $ 1 million to help disabled people in Tajikistan become climate leaders.
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  Speaker 1: $ 10 million worth of meals for al-Qaeda affiliated fighters in Syria.
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  Speaker 1: None of this seems like a good use of our
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  Speaker 1: tax dollars. And what's interesting is you have Democrats furious,
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  Speaker 1: taking to the streets like a revolution of bureaucrats, Democrat politicians,
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  Speaker 1: and lobbyists, I guess. And the American people have really
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  Speaker 1: kind of not been catching on to this revolution they're
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  Speaker 1: trying to start. It's not BLM 2.0. I'm seeing on
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  Speaker 1: social media instead leftists say, wow, it's really crazy. We
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  Speaker 1: were spending money like this. Do you think this is
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  Speaker 1: going to be even further demoralizing for the Democratic base
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  Speaker 1: to see their politicians coalesce around these really indefensible projects?
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  Speaker 2: I am like, I have very low expectations of the
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  Speaker 2: democratic party, but completely baffled by the way they've reacted
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  Speaker 2: over the course of the last week, they're still bickering
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  Speaker 2: and arguing about pronouns. Um, and currently freaking out over
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  Speaker 2: the plight of like deep state bureaucrats in the streets
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  Speaker 2: of Washington, DC, um, waxing sanctimonious about the fate of
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  Speaker 2: bureaucrats whose jobs basically nobody knew existed. And most people
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  Speaker 2: don't want to exist. Like this is their response and
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  Speaker 2: their reaction. It's not the only thing they've been doing,
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  Speaker 2: but it's the most prominent thing they've been doing. It's
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  Speaker 2: completely insane. So I agree with you. I think this is,
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  Speaker 2: it could be used by people on the left, although
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  Speaker 2: we haven't really seen it, but it could be used
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  Speaker 2: by people on the left to turn a corner. And
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  Speaker 2: to transform the Democratic Party into one that actually represents
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  Speaker 2: the concerns of its own voters, which are not climate
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  Speaker 2: and gender friendly baristas in wherever you just listed off. Indonesia. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there you go. Amazing. Like, this is insane, insane stuff. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like. It's not just the aid. Tulsi Gabbard
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  Speaker 2: has talked about how people in Syria were being like
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  Speaker 2: our enemies. We were arming our enemies. Again, it goes
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  Speaker 2: back many years. These are our tactics that we've done,
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  Speaker 2: but it has been so stupid. And so the question
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  Speaker 2: is whether there will be, this is going to sound dramatic,
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  Speaker 2: but sort of sleeper cells in all of these different agencies,
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  Speaker 2: like everything from like education to energy, to USA ID,
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  Speaker 2: if it's smaller under Rubio and house under state, um,
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  Speaker 2: that can just easily be sort of reactivated when a
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  Speaker 2: democratic president wants business to return to usual. If that
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  Speaker 2: happens in the near future, then hey, they might still
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  Speaker 2: be there. But I don't know. I just have really
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  Speaker 2: felt the vibe shift because the Democrats' arguments are landing
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  Speaker 2: like a lead balloon. Nobody wants this stuff. And it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of finally come to light. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Emily, I want to get your reaction to this because
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  Speaker 1: there were all these headlines circulating about $ 20 million being
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  Speaker 1: spent on Sesame Street in Iraq.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, there's no way this is real.
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  Speaker 3: It has to be fake. Turns out it's definitely real.
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  Speaker 1: And actually, we have a clip of Sesame Street in Iraq.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get your reaction to this, Mikey.
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  Speaker 2: I love this song.
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  Speaker 3: You guys get the idea. I mean, this is Sesame Street, Iraq.
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  Speaker 1: And frankly, Emily, I'm surprised that it actually got done,
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  Speaker 1: that there was a real Sesame Street, at least one
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  Speaker 1: episode produced from the $ 20 million that we spent on it.
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  Speaker 3: Is that worth our tax dollars?
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  Speaker 2: Of course not. Of course not. Of course not. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you've looked at the reactions from like
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  Speaker 2: Claudia Scheinbaum, who's sort of a left, the left president
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  Speaker 2: of Mexico, AMLO's successor in Mexico, she's been like, it's
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  Speaker 2: great that USAID is closing up shop because this is
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  Speaker 2: not helpful. You know, it's soft power. And this is
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  Speaker 2: what's really driving me insane about the bureaucrats who are
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  Speaker 2: whining about some of the legitimately wonderful aid that the
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  Speaker 2: United States has been providing to other countries through USAID,
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  Speaker 2: which is that you are you have been running this
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  Speaker 2: program into the ground using these charitable donations as a
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  Speaker 2: front for Americans. foreign meddling against different democracies, different parties
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  Speaker 2: you don't like, and to push left-wing ideology on cultural
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  Speaker 2: issues for decades. And you are now blaming the people
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  Speaker 2: who are getting rid of the program that you ruined
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  Speaker 2: for the loss of the aid. You ruined the program
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  Speaker 2: over the course of years. It is your fault that
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  Speaker 2: the program needs to be gotten rid of. It is
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  Speaker 2: not the fault of the people who are carrying out
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  Speaker 2: the will of most taxpayers who would look at Sesame Street,
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  Speaker 2: Iraq and say, that is not a use of my money,
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  Speaker 2: an appropriate use of my money. So it is insane.
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  Speaker 2: No need for Sesame Street, Iraq.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's a cute show.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it looked fine to me. I'm like, okay, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But I just don't want to fund it. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to pay for it. And I mean, that's actually
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  Speaker 1: a lesser, a more reasonable example. I mean, some of
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  Speaker 1: these things I actively am against the funding of or
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  Speaker 1: the creation of. And I think, of course, one of
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  Speaker 1: them is we talked about before, these censorship machines at
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  Speaker 1: home and abroad that the government has been directly funding
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  Speaker 1: or indirectly funding through various left-wing NGOs. And I've been
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  Speaker 1: noticing something on my social media. Yes, I have TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: Emily doesn't like TikTok, but I also have Instagram Reels.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm seeing- I've been fighting with you about this
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  Speaker 2: for five plus years.
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  Speaker 3: We have. We've been arguing about this for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: I'm pro TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: Emily thinks it's a national security threat. I have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Gen Xers and some boomers and I listen
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  Speaker 1: to the show. So you guys will probably agree with
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  Speaker 1: Emily on that topic. But I will say that since
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  Speaker 1: the presidential election, I have noticed a massive uptick in
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  Speaker 1: right-wing content just in my scrolling feed. And I'm a
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  Speaker 1: right-wing individual. Of course, the algorithm is probably gonna give
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  Speaker 1: me more right-wing content, but that was actually not the case.
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  Speaker 1: I was being like just inundated with tons and tons
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  Speaker 1: of like Marxist communist content on my TikTok. Suddenly it
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  Speaker 1: has changed dramatically. And I'm seeing posts and videos that
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  Speaker 1: actually I think reflect my worldview, which is really what
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  Speaker 1: the algorithm is supposed to do. What do you think
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  Speaker 1: is happening, Emily? Has there been a deal on the inside?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we know that Trump is in conversation with
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  Speaker 1: these tech oligarchs. They sat right behind him at the inauguration.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Are we seeing a dismantling of these political algorithms that have,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I think, been making conservatives feel much smaller than we
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: really are publicly?
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: So this is a really interesting question for the reason
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: that I think back to when after October 7th, there
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: were a lot of studies showing, for example, that content
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: on TikTok was dramatically more in favor of Palestinians than Israel.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: And this was like the months after October 7th. And
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of people on the right looked at that
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: and said, China is manipulating this. But what I think
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: is even more interesting is is that there was a
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: sort of organic reaction among Gen Z on TikTok and
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: that was reflected in polling. And I feel like that's
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: actually what's happening now. So I think on the one hand,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: this is like pretty natural. There are a lot of
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: people who felt the vibe shift now feel comfortable making
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: content that is coded more conservative than left. And the
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: leftists are like, actually, it's not as fashionable anymore to
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: be making some of the like purple hair, non-binary content
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: that we were seeing for years that was doing really well.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: But then, so I think that it's, it's partially that.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: And I think on the other hand, there wouldn't have
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: even need to have been a deal because I know
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: that Trump has been open. He likes seeing pro-Trump content
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: do really well on TikTok. He likes when Barron is
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: showing him that he's doing really well. So you don't
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: even need a deal to be made if you're TikTok
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: or Mark Zuckerberg. You just need to say, hey, there's
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: an appetite for this right-wing content. We aren't going to
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: get in trouble from this administration for failing to suppress
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: or censor it. we can flip the switch and it'll
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: be better for us. So I feel like that's kind
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: of what's happening right now. They're trying to please Trump.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's true. I think there's a mix
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: of both for sure.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: But it's a welcome change for me as somebody who,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I just felt small as I scrolled through my feed.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't agree with any of this.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: And your feed really is supposed to reflect you for
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: better or for worse. And that just was not happening.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: And I think something that's been really indicative of the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: vibe shift was this really famous New Yorker magazine cover
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: that ran a while ago. It was of a bunch
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: of young, hot MAGA supporters partying at the inauguration.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: There's one girl in the front. She's just beautiful.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: She's got this sleek black dress on with white lace.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: On the top.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: And it was just a beautiful girl. And the cover,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: of course, says the cruel kids table.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: And they are.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Smearing, the New York Magazine is smearing these young people
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: as not actually cool, not beautiful, but they're cruel. And
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: to me, it felt like they were trying to get
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: ahead of what was coming, of what is already perhaps here,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: that right-wing politics, right-wing ideology is back and it's cool
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: and people are gravitating toward it. And instead of allowing
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: the culture to consider these beliefs and this movement as cool,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: they have to come out ahead of it and smear
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: them as cool.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Emily, what do you think is happening?
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Is this vibe shift as big as it feels for
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of us who might have voted for President Trump?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: And what do you make of the New York Magazine's
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: smear of these young people who are gravitating toward MAGA?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a seismic vibe shift. Seismic vibe shift.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: And of course, in that New York Mag cover, they
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: cropped out many of the Black people who are in
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: bigger picture. Like they literally cropped them out. Um, yeah,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: it's amazing. And they included a detail in the story
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: about how everyone, uh, one, one person remarked on how
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: everyone is white, but of course the party was hosted, um,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: by a black man and there are a lot of
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: black people there. Um, so it's just like, they read
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: the vibes wrong. Uh, that's my like that like, I
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: think you're right. They were trying to get ahead of
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: what was coming, but in their effort, they totally missed, uh,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: the sort of the, the way that this would be received,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: which was just laughably, like it wasn't a good story.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: It didn't actually capture as I was reading. And I
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: was like, this is not familiar to me at all.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Having been around some of the stuff that was happening
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: over the weekend at the inauguration, it read like fiction. Um,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: so I think they just completely missed the moment while
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: they were trying to capture the moment that they were
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: sort of writing for 2017 instead of uh 2025 um
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: and just i remember when uh you don't like me
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: bringing this up but your mom once had me like
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: uh babysit you and your brother when you were really
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: young at the the reagan ranch and uh because she
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: was speaking and this was like 2015 somewhere around there
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: and i'm thinking back to that um and i've been
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: thinking back a lot to those days recently because if
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: you had told me I remember your mom was talking
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: that day about culture and about how conservatives needed to
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: take the reins of culture. If you had told me
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: back then that youth would be swinging towards the Republican president,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: that this is like a decades long effort among the
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: professional conservative movement to try and fight this Pyrrhic battle
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: between to get young people to like conservative ideas. And
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: some of it is really cringe to look back on.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Some of it made sense. But if you had shown
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: someone this 10 years ago, their jaw would have been
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: on the floor. Whatever happened, nobody knows why. It doesn't
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: make sense, except for the explanation is Donald Trump. And
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: so that makes me wonder how sustainable it is. You know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: does it last beyond Donald Trump? Is this something that's
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: like hot for the next five years and then goes away?
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I don't have a good answer to that. But for now,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: it's definitely energy around Trump. Yeah.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: And what I'll say to Emily, this I mean, I've
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I've gotten a lot of flack at at even from
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: colleagues at The Federalist, from other people in right wing media,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: because I am a defender of Andrew Tate. And I
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: am not a defender of everything that Andrew Tate has done. No,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you, Emily, just hear me out. Hear me
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: out on Andrew Tate. Because he has done some really
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: egregious things. And I think that, is he a man
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: that I would want to marry? Is he a man
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: that I would want my daughters, future daughters to marry? Like, no,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: absolutely not. But what Andrew Tate has done, and what
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of manosphere individuals have done in the wake
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: of Donald Trump, is seize onto this just frustration. with
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: identity politics, with speech policing that has really been specifically inhibiting.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: On young men.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And this is Andrew Tate or Donald Trump in sort
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: of a bombastic, not always, you know, PC or Christian
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: way has been the gate to them saying.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, why are, why are we, I'm going to question.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: The left-wing orthodoxy on not just identity politics, but everything
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: on the values that they espouse to the world, the
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: vision that they have for our country. And that to
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: me is a really positive thing. And it can't stop
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: with Andrew Tate, right? Because he's a really imperfect individual,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: but I'm seeing a rise of even just Christian nationalism
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: of in the Catholic community, people embracing Latin mass and tradition.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: And so while the manosphere might be an imperfect gateway
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: into questioning the left, suddenly you're seeing you swing even
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: further to the right because I feel like that is
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the only answer, right?
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: To combat.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Really godlessness, Satanism in some cases on the left and
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: have an authentically Christian country.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know what you think about that, Emily.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, you were talking about a lot of
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: this stuff before other people realized it. And I think
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: what Tate is doing is sort of he unlocks the
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: door for people. And what you see on the other
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: side of the door is a lot of truth. I
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: think the problem with him is that he then guides
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: people in the wrong direction. You know, you've said something
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: similar right just now. But, yeah, I mean, I think
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: there's this again, it's the permission structure. Like once you
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: have permission to start questioning some of these things, once
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like it would be a huge, you know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: risk issue. to you to start questioning some of these things,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: to your friend group, to your family. Everyone is looking
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: around and saying, yeah, we're not for this whole locker room,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: bathroom thing. As soon as that starts to happen, you
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: hit a point of critical mass. I think that's what's
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: happened in recent months is everyone is starting to question
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the orthodoxy and the dogma. of the left and the
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: left took that for granted. They took for granted how powerful, um, they,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: how powerfully they had shamed a lot of people into
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: not questioning those things. And now the floodgates are open
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: and a lot of things that maybe are true are
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: being questioned. Um, you know, you see that with like
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: someone who I know you follow and watch closely like Pearl. Um,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: there's some, there's some good things like marriage, like this
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: is a good thing. Uh, but you know, it's, it's
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: getting questioned and people should question our institutions. Um, but Yeah,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: it's happening for better or for worse. But at least
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: the baseline is that we all know that we've been
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: lied to by elites for decades. And as soon as
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: you're comfortable questioning that stuff, A, it becomes cool to
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: question it because everyone's doing it. And the old dogma
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: is like sort of gross. You know, it's like it's
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: conformist and gross. And then B, you realize a lot
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: of it was fake.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I have no... And I think... You're right.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you for congratulating me for being on top of
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: this before a lot of other people. But I think
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: it was because I was scrolling through my feed, because
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I'm a Gen Z-er, and I was seeing this shift
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: a lot in young men, but also in young women
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: that we were just done with any politics. And I
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: think it was because Gen Z has experienced the worst
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: of the worst, right? Like you had friends who have
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: been chemically castrated and mutilated. Like you have had the
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: worst of the worst, you know, social emotional learning in
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: elementary school. Then you get inundated with like crazy Marxism
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: as you go into college. And it's just, it's become
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: so overwhelming that it's impossible to ignore how fake and
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: really how abusive it is, left-wing orthodoxy. And so I
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: noticed this shift with Gen Zers, much less pronounced with
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: young women, but really pronounced with young men, What do
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: you observe as a millennial, Emily? Because it seems to
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: be really a young person's movement, like even Gen Alpha.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: More so than Gen Z.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Are you seeing people change their ways or is it
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: more like you can't teach an old dog new tricks
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: and millennials are kind of set in their ways. They're
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: stuck in 08 politics.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: No, I think millennials are mostly stuck in 08 politics.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I like this. It's like, tell me about Obama, grandma.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: But truly millennial cringe is a very real thing. And
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: once you see it, you can't unsee it. The embodiment
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: of it is Taylor Swift. And it's very much this, um,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: sort of peak feminism era of like Sheryl Sandberg and, um,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: you know, definitely Obama, just this, this idea that it's,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: it's your virtue was built on your public sanctimony, um,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: about different left-wing causes. Um, and, and that's like virtue
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: signaling was a sense of self-esteem and for a lot
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: of millennials, because frankly, they weren't turning to God. That was,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: it is a very, you know, it's a generation that
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: is sort of spiritually adrift. And so a lot of people,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: as has been observed by many intellectuals, a lot of
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: millennials used virtue signaling and, quote, wokeness as their sort
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: of sense of self-esteem because it didn't come from religion.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: And that doesn't change overnight. It gets a lot less
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: cool to do it sort of publicly when Gen Z
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: is out there just like ripping cigs and, you know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: having Zen all day. But Um, it's, it's still there and,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: you know, we'll, we'll see what happens with Gen Z.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I was talking to a bunch of like Zoomers, uh,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: last week at a campus that I was giving a
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: talk to, and it was amazing how much COVID changed
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the way that they saw the world and like led
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: them towards like the, the true, the good, the beautiful.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: And that's been amazing. Again, like it's really sad because
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: if you had told us 10 years ago, it was
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: going to happen. We wouldn't have believed you, but between
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Trump and COVID, um, it just, you guys were forced
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: to grapple with a lot of things that other people
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: hadn't been forced to deal with because they didn't have
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: the sort of immediate pain and the urgency that COVID brought.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I love that you brought up COVID, Emily, because I
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: do think that was really radicalizing for a lot of
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: young people, even younger than sort of my generation, but
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: even my younger siblings, right?
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: They didn't get to go to prom.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: They didn't have any high school sports. I mean, these
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: are like really important, super formative years that they just
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: missed out on. They didn't have those experiences. They were
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: robbed of it. And Emily, I told the story before,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to tell it to you because I
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: think it's really indicative of something broader. When I was
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: in college, obviously COVID was underway, the COVID tyranny. And
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the administration said, Nobody can hang out in groups. You
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: have to be socially distanced. I think it was like
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: a cap of like three people together at once. Otherwise,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: you're not allowed to have.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: These group gatherings.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: And this was enforced on campus property, but also off campus.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: So you could be punished as a student if you
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: were all gathering in somebody's apartment. And so the frats
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: obviously could not have frat parties. But being frat brothers,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: they said, we're still going to have frat parties. And
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: the frat bros had still parties. They tried to sort
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: of keep it on the DL. Lots of students showed up,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: the same students who would be posting black squares for
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: George Floyd and who would be wearing the N95 masks
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: during the day. They take the masks off at night.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: They're wearing their crop tops and they're partying with the
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: frat bros. And it's all sort of, you know, like
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: it's just weird. It was just like, we're going to be,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: we're going to party. And all these students, I realized,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: were just normal kids who were sort of just trying
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: to abide by what was acceptable. If they violated the
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: COVID rules during the day, right, they'd be told they
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: were going to kill people, kill people's grandmothers or whatever.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Except for there was one girl who would show up
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: to the frat parties and every frat party virtually, and
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: she would have a list on her phone and she
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: would write down the students that she recognized, their names,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: and she would turn them into the administration and say, oh,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: these students were at the frat party, you know, punish them.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: And they did get punished. And so that I feel
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: like is sort of a meta.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: example of what it's like in America, right?
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Where you have all these people who are sort of
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: abiding by the speech codes and the left-wing orthodoxy because
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: they want to fit in, they want to just live
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: their lives in peace. And then you have the one person,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: the real minority, who is the enforcer. And that person
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: feels really loud on social media, but maybe they're actually
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: not that loud in real life.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: That is such a fascinating case study because I think
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: that's an illustration of exactly what was happening. And part
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: of the vibe shift is that people in corporate America
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: have recognized the enforcers. they were being overly responsive to
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: because the enforcers were the loudest on social media. And
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: people like you and me for years were trying to
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: explain that. We're saying Twitter represents a tiny fraction of
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: the country and the people who are shouting at you
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: on Twitter about pronouns represent a tinier fraction of that
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: already tiny fraction of the country. But there was so
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: much fear and there were so many of those enforcers
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: who had found their way into middle management. And this
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: is what I wonder about going forward is I think
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of them are still there. The federal bureaucracy
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: is another thing because Elon Musk is like, you know,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: smoking them out. But in a lot of the corporate world,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: people whose values were built on that era of enforcement
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: who went to funnel through the same system of elite
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: universities and all of that are still in those positions
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: of middle management. What's changed is that. They don't have
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: grassroots support on social media anymore and they don't have
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: the fear or the tacit support of the upper, upper level,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: like the CEO level. You know, the CEO level is like,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: you guys are crazy. I've thought that all along and
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I can finally tell you to shut the hell up.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: That's basically what's happened. And that makes them a lot
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: less powerful for now. But it doesn't mean that if
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: something else comes into fashion five years in the future.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: We just saw the culture change really quickly with the resistance.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: You and I know a lot of this political correctness
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: was bubbling up in academia for a really long time.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't until Trump was elected that they felt
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: like they had the permission structure to absolutely seize the
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: reins of power and start running things. That happened really quickly.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: It can happen quickly in the reverse. It doesn't seem
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: like it now, but there are still a lot of
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: people out there whose values were built on this system
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: of virtue signaling. It's more comfortable right now in American
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: culture to be on the left or the right. You
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: can just like talk. Everyone loves it. Everyone's feeling liberated artistically, spiritually, politically.
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  Speaker 2: But that can change because there are still a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people whose values are based on this idea of enforcement.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: And that's a great word for it.
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  Speaker 1: And what do you think, Emily, to close things out,
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  Speaker 1: we have to do? to build a movement that's sustainable
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  Speaker 1: beyond president Trump. I know that's like the money question
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: and it's a really hard one to answer, but we
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  Speaker 1: obviously can't just continue by simply critiquing. We have to
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  Speaker 1: be for something too. So what do we have to
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: be for?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think we have to be first
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  Speaker 2: and foremost for the country. And that sounds really obvious,
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  Speaker 2: but there's a lot of like humorism about the country.
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  Speaker 2: Like I actually was talking earlier in just this interview
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  Speaker 2: about how it was kind of a personal reckoning for
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  Speaker 2: me to realize how we were using our soft power
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  Speaker 2: for leftist cultural purposes. ends around the world. And there's
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of things we're waking up to that America
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: has done bad and probably should have been realizing those
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: things sooner or reckoning with them sooner. But we have to,
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  Speaker 2: I think, focus on the good that America has done
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  Speaker 2: historically and how lucky and blessed we are to have
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  Speaker 2: this system Um, and not, you know, to, to ruin
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  Speaker 2: the system, to abuse the system. Uh, we're very, very
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  Speaker 2: lucky to live in the country that we live in.
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  Speaker 2: And so I feel like we need to be for
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  Speaker 2: America as dumb as it sounds. Um, we need to
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  Speaker 2: be for the freedoms that we have. So in a
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  Speaker 2: broad sense, um, all of that and the, the way
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  Speaker 2: that we, the challenge is what does that mean? Um,
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  Speaker 2: if Donald Trump isn't the figurehead, isn't the person on
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  Speaker 2: the ballot, Um, that's really tricky because he sort of
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: articulates the vision of America that you, the, the right
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  Speaker 2: is in favor of. Um, but it's not necessarily the
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  Speaker 2: orthodox Republican vision of America. And so that's where I
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: think it'll get challenging in the future.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I think America first articulated it really
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  Speaker 1: well that that needs to be the priority that needs
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  Speaker 1: to be the focus of this party past Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that a, a neocon, a Mitt Romney,
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  Speaker 1: a John McCain could ever rally the right in the
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  Speaker 1: way that Donald Trump has. It would be impossible to
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  Speaker 1: repeat that, the past with the Republican Party. Emily, thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much for joining me. I want to be
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: respectful of your time. So where can people go to
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: follow your work?
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Avita. You can go to Undercurrents on YouTube,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. That's where you'll find the show.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: And over at UnHerd, I'll write there a few times
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: a week as well.
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  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people are underestimating the Trump
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  Speaker 4: effect in this midterm. You've heard it yourself. Act like
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: I'm on the ballot. Why is he saying that? You
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: think he doesn't know what he's doing? That is the
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: X factor. Folks, elections are a math issue. That is it.
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  Speaker 4: This is not a football game.
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