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The Kenny Report | 20 March · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 4: I'll show you the easy ride Anthony Albanezian Labor get
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  Speaker 4: from most of the media most of the time, even
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  Speaker 4: on something as ugly as the CFMEU thuggery. But I'll
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  Speaker 4: also show you how Albo's been caught out big time
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  Speaker 4: his attack on Peter Dutton backfiring and exposing his own hypocrisy.
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  Speaker 4: Another reckless renewables battle, this time in the Barossa Valley,
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  Speaker 4: and one state brings in new laws to stop lithium
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  Speaker 4: iron battery fires.
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  Speaker 3: I'll give you an insight.
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  Speaker 4: Into why the Arab world perpetuates the Palestinian crisis. I'll
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  Speaker 4: get Alexander Downer's take on that too, as well as Ukraine.
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  Speaker 3: While Mark Nicholson and Tim.
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  Speaker 4: Blair are back and we'll talk about former Vice presidential
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  Speaker 4: candidate Tim Walls shorting out over Tesla.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get.
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  Speaker 4: The usual attempt to election fix is in. That is
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  Speaker 4: the way the overwhelming majority of the media, and especially
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  Speaker 4: most of the Canberra Press gallery gets on board with Labor,
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  Speaker 4: the Greens and the Tills essentially gives the left of
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  Speaker 4: rails run, saving their attacks for the coalition.
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  Speaker 3: You know the story we showed.
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  Speaker 4: You earlier this week how the nine media newspapers and
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  Speaker 4: sixty minutes produced a disturbing update on the CFMEU, how
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  Speaker 4: this powerful union allegedly was engaged in bullying, standover tactics, extortion,
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  Speaker 4: and was in bed with organized crime and BIKI gangs.
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  Speaker 3: Until halfway through last year.
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  Speaker 4: This union had a representative on the ALP national executive
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  Speaker 4: and it donated millions of dollars to Labour even though
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  Speaker 4: it behaved like a criminal franchise. Nine's report showed shocking
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  Speaker 4: cases of abusive behavior against women, including vision of a
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  Speaker 4: union health and safety officer bashing a woman during his
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  Speaker 4: lunch break and a warning this is distressing, just sickening staff.
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  Speaker 4: And what's worse is that Labor says it's known about
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  Speaker 4: this for years. He is a senior minister on the
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  Speaker 4: ABC this morning.
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  Speaker 5: We never expected that this would be an issue that
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  Speaker 5: would be solved overnights. I mean, this has been deeply
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  Speaker 5: embedded corruption and criminality, both within this one union but
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  Speaker 5: also the wider construction industry. And it's been going on
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  Speaker 5: for years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been going on for years.
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  Speaker 4: And over those years Labor was happy to have this
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  Speaker 4: union on its executive and it was happy to accept
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  Speaker 4: millions of dollars in donations. What's worse, even the current
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  Speaker 4: government has included the union in government grants supporting women
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  Speaker 4: in construction.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, we were advised in a proving these grants around
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  Speaker 5: all of the partners who were part of it, that
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  Speaker 5: includes the CFMEU.
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  Speaker 4: Talk about throwing good taxpayers money after bad. Now, given
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  Speaker 4: all this, you'd think there are some serious questions for
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  Speaker 4: the Prime minister. Shouldn't and shouldn't alban Ezi be asked
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  Speaker 4: whether the Labor Party will return all of the donations
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  Speaker 4: it received over the years from the CFMMEU. Perhaps it
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  Speaker 4: could donate them to charity instead. Shouldn't Albanizi be asked
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  Speaker 4: why his first act as Prime Minister was to ax
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  Speaker 4: the building and construction watchdog that was tackling the CFMEU
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  Speaker 4: and other rogue unions. Shouldn't Albanizi be asked what all
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  Speaker 4: this tells us about the treatment of women in the
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  Speaker 4: labor movement. And shouldn't alban Ezi be asked why he's
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  Speaker 4: continued to funnel government grants to the CFMEU. That's not
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  Speaker 4: to mention, of course, how these extortionate practices have pushed
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  Speaker 4: up building costs.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the kicker.
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  Speaker 4: Until earlier today, Anthony Albanizi has not been asked a
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  Speaker 4: single question about this. The Prime Minister dodged the media
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  Speaker 4: on Monday after the story broke, but since then he'd
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  Speaker 4: done at least six media interviews and had not been
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  Speaker 4: asked a single question about the CFMEU and Labor. Just
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  Speaker 4: imagine the Canberra press pack if someone linked to the
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  Speaker 4: Coalition was filmed bashing a woman. Just imagine the ABC
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  Speaker 4: if a major donor to the coalition was embroiled in criminality.
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  Speaker 3: But for Labor at Albo, so many in the media
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  Speaker 3: were struck dumb.
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  Speaker 4: And then at his press conference this morning, when Albo
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  Speaker 4: was finally asked one question by our own Lauren Forbes,
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  Speaker 4: of course, listen to the short shrift it gets from
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  Speaker 4: the Prime minister.
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  Speaker 1: What did you make the treatment of them in those
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  Speaker 1: allegations US service for that sixteen minutes?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, they are appalling, that's all he said. That's all
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  Speaker 3: he said.
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  Speaker 4: It was appalling, of course it was. But what's Labor
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  Speaker 4: doing about it? What's Alberizi doing about it? Doesn't he
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  Speaker 4: have anything more to say? Why is he still giving
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  Speaker 4: taxpayers money to the CFMEU. Why has Labor kept its
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  Speaker 4: CFMEU donations. Why doesn't Labor tackle sexism in the union movement? Sadly,
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  Speaker 4: it's unlikely the ABC or most of the Canberra Press
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  Speaker 4: Gallery will pursue any of this. It just doesn't fit
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  Speaker 4: their narrative. It's worth pointing out that, unlike most of
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  Speaker 4: the workforce, most journalists are union members. After a series
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  Speaker 4: of Snyder attacks against Peter Dutton, Labor and Anthony Alberizi
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  Speaker 4: have been caught out badly. Remember that pathetic attack on
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  Speaker 4: Dutton two weeks ago when Labor and their media mates
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  Speaker 4: suggested it was wrong for the opposition leader to flight
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  Speaker 4: to Sydney for meetings and the fundraiser four days before
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  Speaker 4: tropical Cyclone Alfred was due to hit Queensland.
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  Speaker 3: Listen to them.
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  Speaker 5: Get it off to a fundraiser at Sydney Harbourside this
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  Speaker 5: week when his own community was actually trying to get
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  Speaker 5: prepared for this event. So he was filling Liberal party
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  Speaker 5: with money bags while his own community was filling sandbags,
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  Speaker 5: which I think says a lot about.
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  Speaker 4: Him and Albo loved to kick that story along too,
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  Speaker 4: claiming the high ground.
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  Speaker 6: And you know what, the most important thing I was
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  Speaker 6: doing last week was dealing with the impact of the
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  Speaker 6: cyclone on Australians in southeast Queensland and northern New South Wales.
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  Speaker 6: Now one of the political leaders in this country had
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  Speaker 6: to be present during that period.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I was doing.
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  Speaker 4: Hmm, Okay, that's the story so far. We know Dutton
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  Speaker 4: was bad back in Brisbane the Wednesday before the cyclone
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  Speaker 4: because we interviewed him at lunch time from his property
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  Speaker 4: about preparations for the cyclone, and back then we'd heard
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  Speaker 4: Albanez he also had a fundraiser in Sydney on the
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  Speaker 4: same day as Dutton, so it was put to him
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  Speaker 4: have a listen to what he says when he was
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  Speaker 4: questioned about that on Peter.
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  Speaker 5: Dutton's Movements, Well reported that he was a political.
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  Speaker 3: Fundraiser in Sydney on March four. Did you also attend
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  Speaker 3: the fundraising event? Look that to matter for him. That's
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  Speaker 3: matter for you. It's a matter of whether you were
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  Speaker 3: thinking a fundraiser.
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  Speaker 7: It's a matter to him.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not sure what day you're talking about.
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  Speaker 4: He's not sure what day they were talking about did
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  Speaker 4: he just deny he was at a fundraiser in Sydney
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  Speaker 4: on the same day or did he just evade the point?
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  Speaker 4: Make up your own mind. But the Australian Financial Review
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  Speaker 4: revealed yesterday that Albow was at a fund on the
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  Speaker 4: same day as Dutton's in the same city, four days
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  Speaker 4: out from the cyclone.
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  Speaker 3: Albos was at the Cabra.
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  Speaker 4: Vail Diggers in southwestern Sydney where people paid two thousand
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  Speaker 4: dollars ahead to hear the PM, with the cash going into.
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  Speaker 3: Labor party coffers.
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  Speaker 4: This is game, set and match, Labor attacking Dutton for
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  Speaker 4: doing exactly what Albo did and the PM deceptively trying
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  Speaker 4: to hide it. But now he's been caught out. Instead
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  Speaker 4: of apologizing, Albo doubled down today and he still tried
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  Speaker 4: to stick it to Dutton.
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  Speaker 6: I traveled to Queensland on the same day that Peter
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  Speaker 6: Dutton traveled away from Queensland. I traveled away from Queensland
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  Speaker 6: on the same to Queensland on the same day that
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  Speaker 6: Peter Dutton left Queenscend.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, actually both of them headed to Sydney for the
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  Speaker 4: Tuesday fundraisers and the only difference is that Albanezi was
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  Speaker 4: able to fly up to Brisbane that night because he
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  Speaker 4: has a taxpayer funded personal jet, while Dunton had to
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  Speaker 4: wait for the first commercial flight in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: Airbus elbows strikes again. Now, also just.
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  Speaker 4: On labor and women, here's the ALP pushing its medicare
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  Speaker 4: politicking on Instagram.
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  Speaker 3: Authorized perics and ALP camera.
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  Speaker 4: Now that clip is a singer called Sabrina Carpenter apparently.
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  Speaker 4: But again, if this was a Liberal Party ad, you'd
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  Speaker 4: be hearing confected outrage from labor, wouldn't you. That'd be
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  Speaker 4: calling it sexist or something. So what does the Labor
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  Speaker 4: Prime Minister think of it?
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  Speaker 9: Eustrating Labor Party posted this on Instagram and we're just wondering.
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  Speaker 7: Your thoughts on it.
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  Speaker 9: There many things.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to look at a video.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I guess he'll look at that later. Online there
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  Speaker 4: was plenty of criticism. What do we meant to think
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  Speaker 4: when seeing this ad? Asked one person, Sorry, but it
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  Speaker 4: makes labor look like it's back in the nineteen fifties.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a supporter and I hope it's taken down as
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  Speaker 4: soon as possible. Another asked, is your social media person?
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  Speaker 4: Fifteen and one said, this is cringe, alp, what are
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  Speaker 4: you doing? Look, it's pretty low browse stuff for sure,
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  Speaker 4: But I can't wait to see what the liberals might
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  Speaker 4: reveal behind Sabrina's towel.
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  Speaker 3: They should give it a go, just to see.
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  Speaker 4: If that draws some fire and exposes the double standards.
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  Speaker 4: There's a speech about the Middle East that's getting a
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  Speaker 4: bit of attention on social media at the moment.
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  Speaker 3: It's not new.
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  Speaker 4: This speech was given in a Merriora twelve years ago,
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  Speaker 4: and it explains the reality of the Palestinian issue that
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  Speaker 4: I've been on about for years, in which most of
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  Speaker 4: the media simply refuses to comprehend. This is a very
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  Speaker 4: powerful example of this explanation, of course, because of who
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  Speaker 4: it comes from, because.
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  Speaker 3: Of her life experience.
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  Speaker 4: So let me share it with you with a bit
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  Speaker 4: more context than you get from social media. Nonnie Darwish
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  Speaker 4: is an Egyptian American author and she's the founder of
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  Speaker 4: Arabs for Israel, and she knows Gaza.
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  Speaker 10: I was born and raised as a Muslim in Cairo, Egypt,
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  Speaker 10: but I grew up as a child in the fifties
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  Speaker 10: in the Gaza strip. And the reason I was in
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  Speaker 10: Gaza was because Gaza at that time was part of Egypt.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Darwish's description of life in Palestinian schools is all too
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  Speaker 4: horrifying but well known to anyone who's examined these issues.
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  Speaker 10: We recited poetry every day in the school, wishing upon
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  Speaker 10: ourselves to die as martyrs. And you know, I used
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  Speaker 10: to see girls reciting this poetry while they're crying, and
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  Speaker 10: they would wish upon themselves to die as a martyr. See,
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  Speaker 10: our value system was about victimhood, thinking of ourselves as victims,
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  Speaker 10: or to be a martyr. To go kill everybody and
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  Speaker 10: die as a martyr. Either a victim or a martyr.
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  Speaker 10: There is nothing in between.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: And this specie then goes on to explain how Arab
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  Speaker 4: countries deliberately perpetuate the Palestinian crisis. They could solve it,
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  Speaker 4: but they prefer it as an irritant on which to
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  Speaker 4: blame every problem in the Arab world. Neighboring Arab countries
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  Speaker 4: like Egypt, Jordan and Syril deny citizenship for Palestinians, and
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  Speaker 4: they don't accept Palestinian immigrants.
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  Speaker 10: Why because the Arab League wanted the Palestinian problem never
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  Speaker 10: to be solved. This is not their agenda. The agenda
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  Speaker 10: is to keep them refugees from birth to death home.
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  Speaker 10: That's how what the plan was.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the Arab nations prefer the Palestinians to keep constant
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  Speaker 4: pressure on Israel.
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  Speaker 10: They are rejected from being absorbed and constantly pushed against
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  Speaker 10: the borders with Israel in order to keep the problem alive.
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  Speaker 10: The Arab world doesn't have a shortage of land. If
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  Speaker 10: you look at the Arab world from the Atlantic Ocean,
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  Speaker 10: Morocco all the way to Persia, from Turkey all the
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  Speaker 10: way to Sudan.
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  Speaker 3: Now this cuts to the chase.
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  Speaker 4: The Palestinian question could easily be resolved with goodwill from
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  Speaker 4: Arab nations. Every chance at peaced in the past, every
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  Speaker 4: peace initiative in the past number of decades has been rejected.
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  Speaker 4: Israel vacated Gaza twenty years ago, forced its own people
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  Speaker 4: out of the territory, handing it all over to Palestinians,
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  Speaker 4: and look where that's ended up.
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  Speaker 10: You know, this international conflict called the Arab Israeli conflict really.
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  Speaker 1: Is a fabrication.
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  Speaker 10: This is not a conflict over land, and anybody who
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  Speaker 10: thinks it's a conflict over land is misguided because we
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  Speaker 10: don't see the truth. The truth is Arabs.
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  Speaker 11: There is something in.
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  Speaker 10: Islam, anti Jewish, anti Christian, especially into Jewish. And I
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  Speaker 10: will tell you why those people calling themselves Palestinians who
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  Speaker 10: live in the Daza and the West Bank are the
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  Speaker 10: pawns of the Arab world. I don't believe that they
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  Speaker 10: care about their happiness or welfare. They are set up
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  Speaker 10: to live a miserable life on purpose in order to
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  Speaker 10: show the world that we're victims. Do you think Saudi Arabia,
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  Speaker 10: with all the money they have the Gulf countries, all
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  Speaker 10: these oil money, they can't give them good roads and
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  Speaker 10: good homes and good police and turn it into a
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  Speaker 10: productive area of the Middle East. They can, but that
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  Speaker 10: is not their objective. There is a hidden objective. And
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  Speaker 10: I don't understand why Western culture doesn't get it, why
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  Speaker 10: Western media doesn't it. It's so obvious.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is obvious to anybody who informs themselves, but
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  Speaker 4: most in the media, and most in the Western liberal
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  Speaker 4: media at least, they're not interested in that. They prefer
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  Speaker 4: that victimhood narrative.
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  Speaker 3: If you like.
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  Speaker 4: Now that WASH's father was actually killed by Israeli agents,
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  Speaker 4: yet she can still see what's playing out now. Of
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  Speaker 4: course she's got many critics. This is controversial stuff, but
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  Speaker 4: she is right and there will be little prospect of
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  Speaker 4: lasting peace until public debate, politics and diplomacy all faces
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  Speaker 4: up to this reality. Let's now go to Susan McDonald,
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  Speaker 4: the Shadow Resources Minister, joining us live from Brisbane.
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  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again, Susan.
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  Speaker 4: I want to get straight to the gas shortage, the
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  Speaker 4: energy crisis in this country. Another warning out today from
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  Speaker 4: the Australian Energy mark Operators saying we need more gas
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  Speaker 4: into the system.
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  Speaker 3: This does my head in. We're endowed with gas right
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  Speaker 3: across this country.
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  Speaker 4: We've got Labor going slow on approval for the Northwest Shelf.
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  Speaker 4: We've got the Victorian government stopping any exploitation or exploration
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  Speaker 4: in Victoria. We've got a massive gas filled out around Narrabriyan,
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  Speaker 4: New South Wales that keeps being stymied. I mean, we're
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  Speaker 4: literally jumping on gas, but we won't exploit it.
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  Speaker 3: We need to. How would the coalition fix it?
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  Speaker 11: Well, it is an absolutely crazy situation for so many reasons, Chris.
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  Speaker 11: But as you've identified, this has been a gas shortage
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  Speaker 11: that has been looming since Labor started their terrible gas
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  Speaker 11: market interventions three years ago. We have been warning every
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  Speaker 11: year this crisis is getting ever closer, and it is
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  Speaker 11: not for the lack of gas, not for the lack
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  Speaker 11: of willing drillers and companies willing to invest. In fact,
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  Speaker 11: I spoke to a company yesterday who has been sitting
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  Speaker 11: on a production license application for ten years for great
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  Speaker 11: gas that they know is in the ground in Victoria
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  Speaker 11: would absolutely be supplying households and businesses and energy production,
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  Speaker 11: but the Labor government there has absolutely refused to allow.
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  Speaker 3: Them to proceed.
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  Speaker 11: So at the same time that we have this crisis
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  Speaker 11: of gas, this shortage, we have the federal Labor government refusing,
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  Speaker 11: refusing to honor the approvals that the Western Australian government
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  Speaker 11: has made for the expansion of the Northwest Shelf, a process,
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  Speaker 11: a plant that has been or a field i should say,
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  Speaker 11: that has been operating for forty years, a very well
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  Speaker 11: understood region and part of the world producing gas for
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  Speaker 11: the Western Australian market. So to have the Western Australian
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  Speaker 11: Resources Minister, Labour's only minister, only cabinet minister, not going
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  Speaker 11: out and supporting Western Australia the expansion of that gas
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  Speaker 11: field beggars belief.
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  Speaker 3: But that's that's what you expect from a government that sure.
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  Speaker 4: Now that's mainly for export, right, and that's massive, it's
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  Speaker 4: a huge issue and it's got to be fixed.
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  Speaker 3: But that's mainly for export.
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  Speaker 4: But to power the national electricity grid, that means we
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  Speaker 4: need gas on the Eastern seaboard. We need more gas
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  Speaker 4: generation here.
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  Speaker 3: Now, this one, this one you can do. You can
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  Speaker 3: divorce from the big energy.
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  Speaker 4: Debate because whether we can actually power ourselves eventually largely
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  Speaker 4: with renewables, which I don't think in an engineering sense
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  Speaker 4: we can, but if you want to argue that, or
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  Speaker 4: we'll get to a lot more nuclear eventually. Regardless of
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  Speaker 4: which option you go down, we need massive amounts of
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  Speaker 4: gas generation in the meantime and into the future.
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  Speaker 3: So where are we going to get that gas from?
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  Speaker 4: How can you get the state governments in particular to
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  Speaker 4: give the approvals.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's exactly right.
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  Speaker 11: Look, a huge portion, a huge amount of gas does
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  Speaker 11: come out of the New North Were Shelf to power
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  Speaker 11: Western Australia, even though a lot goes to export.
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  Speaker 8: That's correct.
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  Speaker 11: But you're right, the main game is on the East coast.
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  Speaker 11: We have one hundred and forty three pedadules per annum
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  Speaker 11: which is available to be extracted in the Victorian in
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  Speaker 11: New South Wales fields that's been clearly identified. I've been
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  Speaker 11: speaking to those producers. They're ready to go with the
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  Speaker 11: right approvals. That is all available for the domestic market.
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  Speaker 11: None of that gas goes to the export market. And
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  Speaker 11: in Queensland we saw the Atlas field come on last year.
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  Speaker 11: That'll be one hundred pedadules of gas just for the
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  Speaker 11: domestic market. As I said, we have to get labor,
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  Speaker 11: get out of the way, stop try to manage demand
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  Speaker 11: down to or supply down to demand, because demand is increasing.
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  Speaker 11: Electricity and energy requirements are increasing.
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  Speaker 4: Just briefly, apart from more gas, a lot more gas
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  Speaker 4: into the markets, a lower prices and increase supply. Do
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  Speaker 4: we obviously need more gas generation don't where there's the
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Curry Curry plant coming on in New South Wales, but
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: surely we're going to need two or three plants at
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: least as large as that added to the generation capacity
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: of the national electricity market.
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: That's exactly right, and under the Coalition we would be
• 21:14
  Speaker 11: encouraging that adding gats back into the capacity investment scheme,
• 21:18
  Speaker 11: ensuring that there is more gas being used to replace
• 21:23
  Speaker 11: retiring production retiring assets currently, but ensuring that we're meeting
• 21:29
  Speaker 11: our increasing need for electricity in the near term and
• 21:32
  Speaker 11: longer term. And of course nuclear as we've always said,
• 21:36
  Speaker 11: zero missions a great long term solution.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but we're going to need a lot of gas
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: to get there in the meantime. World, Thanks for John Will,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: thanks for joinning, and Susan. Sorry to cut you off.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Susan McDonald there joining us life from Brisbane. I want
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: to stay with energy and go to another major fight
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: brewing over reckless renewable installations. This time is the world
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: famous wine growing region of the bross A Valley that's
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Hidden Australia, where locals are opposing the Twin Creek wind
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: farm that's about ninety kilometers northeast of Adelaide. The project
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: involves forty two turbines up to two hundred and twenty
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: meters tall, overlooking this picturesque and world famous valley. The
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Brossa Valley is, of course, one of the crown jewels
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: of South Australia's tourism industry, attracting hundreds of thousands of
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: people every year. Imagine the iconic scenery of farmland and
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: bushland on the hillsides overlooking the historic vineyards in the valley,
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: and then a bunch of two hundred meter tall turbines.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Capping it all off.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Locals are getting together tonight to vent their frustrations in Europe.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: But Mary Morris is an organizer and she joins me. Now,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: thanks for joining us, Mary, tell us how many people
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: you're expecting there tonight and what your main concerns are.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I'm expecting at least two hundred people here tonight because
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the Brousso has suddenly woken up what it's going to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: be like for them. Some of the turbines are the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: bases are as high as the Mendler's Hill look out
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and so and then there'll be two twenty meters taller
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: than that. So well, it's going to be so overwhelming
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: on the skyline. And I think people are just really
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: waking up to it now, and this is the chance
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: they've got to put in a submission against it.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Look, I know that Brossa Valley well to people go
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: there to try the wines, to stay the weekend, to
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: wander around the whole part of the charm. It's not
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: just the wine, it's the natural beauty of the place.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: And you're saying that's going to be compromised.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: It seems hard to think it won't be compromised when
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: you're talking two hundred and twenty meterol turbines.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Well, that's right. This project was actually improved once before,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: but it was never built because of the environmental concerns there.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: The company is having another go. They're closer to the
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Brussel because they bought a property that was constraining them before,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: So closer to the Brusse, taller than they were before.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: It's going to be an absolute iesore.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Do you have any political support for this? I know
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: South Australia is a renewable energy capital of the country.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: That's why you've got the most expensive power by the way,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: But do you have that much political support or you're
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: up against them all.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm hoping that tonight's event will show the strength
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: of community concern so that then that'll encourage the Labor
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: government to not approve this development, which is absolute idiocy
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: in the state's premiere tourist destination.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the bottom line is, if they really need another
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: forty two to two hundred meters tall turbines for more
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: wind energy.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: In South Australia, the.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Hills disappear into the distance northeast of the brass So
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: surely you can go sort of ten or twenty kilometers
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: up the road so that you're not overshadowing the this
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: major tourist destination.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't be happy with that because that's closer
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: to my house. So there's South Australia. It's pretty big,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of area in it that has no
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: people at all, and close to transmission lines. Is just
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: absolutely no justification for putting it so close to the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Brussa Valley.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Mary, good luck. We'll check in.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Let us not tomorrow, how the meeting goes tonight, Mary
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: Morris there joining us.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: From the wonderful Barossa Valley.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Imagine that you got for a nice weekend in the Barrossa,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: sit back, drinks and charaz from some of those older
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: charaz vines in the world, and you listen to the
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: whir of the wind turbines as they clunk around and
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: supply some clean energy to Adelaide.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know, just got to draw the line somewhere,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: don't you. Now? After the break.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: We want to check in on regulations after a speed
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: of lithium iron battery fires.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: We've been on those. Now politicians are going to act first.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: A bit of breaking news out of Western Australia in
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: the wash up from the state election there the other week,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: and the Liberal leader Living Metham has announced that she
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: won't be recontesting the leadership. She's put out a statement
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: just now saying that I am announcing I will not
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: be seeking re election to the position of the leader
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: of the Parliamentary Liberal Party. I made a commitment to
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: consult my colleagues before making a decision on my continued leadership.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: I thank my colleagues for their public support and they're
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: considered advice to me.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: So there you go.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Libby Metam, who has been the opposition leader in Western Australia,
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: she's not recontesting the leadership. Basil Zempliss, of course, was
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: elected at the state election. We don't know whether he's
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: going to put his hand up or not. Stay tuned
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: for that one.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: I want to return to the dangers posed by lithium
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: iron batteries. In New South Wales alone, there have been
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: three hundred and eighty four fires sparked by dodgy batteries.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Just in the past fifteen months.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: This resulted in at least thirty three injuries and at
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: least one fatality, maybe more.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: It's forced a New South Wales government.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: To take action, including new legislation now on the design,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: manufacture and disposal of these batteries. Joining me in the
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: studio now is Superintendent Adam Dewbrey from.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: The Fire and Rescue New South Wales. Good to talk
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: to you again, Adam. We've focused a lot on these.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: There's a real danger and ongoing risker people charging e
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: bikes and scooters and golf buggies and whatever.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: At home and the next thing, you know, the whole
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: thing's in flames.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely, it is a growing risk. We know it. It
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: is growing. We're seeing the numbers with that, you know.
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: Even about three weeks ago we've had a tragic incident
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: where a young student who was a food delivery driver
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: to earn a few dollars, his bike battery that was
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: on charge in his bedroom broke down, failed, caught fire
• 27:50
  Speaker 9: and unfortunately he was killed in that fire. So we
• 27:53
  Speaker 9: are seeing a number of these fires around. They are
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: a great convenience, but they also come with a risk,
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: particularly if you're not looking after them properly or you're
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: not buying the good product.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I'll come back to those tips in a moment.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: But these new laws that are going through the New
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: South Wales Parliament, presumably other states will look at similar laws.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: They put the onus on the suppliers and the manufacturers
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: to make sure people get the right batteries for the
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: right products and they know how to use them properly.
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think anything that strengthens what the community buys,
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: our family, our friends and the broader community is a
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: good thing. And fire risk in New South Wales is
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: doing our best to inform those discussions by the regulators
• 28:34
  Speaker 9: or the legislators and the industry, whether it be the
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: insurance counsel or other bodies. You know, one of our
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: mandates in our legislation is fire prevention and to prevent
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: these files and that's what we're doing here. So we're
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: using our lived experiences, the jobs that we are going
• 28:48
  Speaker 9: to we're seeing every day to inform to accurately inform
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: those decisions that legislators are considering it and making.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Just on this, a lot of people are adding batteries
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: to their Solwer'll set up at home home batteries that
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: you haven't had problems with them. It's more of these
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: rechargeable items like bikes and scooters.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: And the like.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, it's the small portal devices that were seeing, particularly
• 29:11
  Speaker 9: around the e bikes scooters. There's a lot of them
• 29:14
  Speaker 9: that are blasting out onto the market, and I don't
• 29:17
  Speaker 9: think people realize, particularly even power tools. You know, one
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: of my colleagues, he wasn't on call five a builder,
• 29:23
  Speaker 9: for example, a good product. They dropped it onto the ground.
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: It happens on a building site and that just started
• 29:28
  Speaker 9: to battery when the thermal run away started to let
• 29:31
  Speaker 9: a lot of smoke out. Now that smokey is extremely
• 29:34
  Speaker 9: toxic and explosive, and now that pottery powered power toil
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: started to spin then ignite. Now that's happening in your home.
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: That's happening with e bikes, and it can happen with
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: any other devices and scooters as well.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: So the key warning is get good products and don't
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: mix and match your charges and batteries. But also while
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: it's convenient, of course to charge overnight, don't leave things
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: charging while you're sleeping in the house overnight. Try and
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: charge them when you're awake with them, or have charging outside.
• 30:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely hard services, preferably outside, but we've got to
• 30:04
  Speaker 9: be practical. But definitely don't leave them on charge overnight
• 30:07
  Speaker 9: because they can break down. Even though there's no moving
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: parts in a battery, they do break down still, they
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: wear out, they break down, and that's when we can
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: see failure happening. And I will say always be careful
• 30:17
  Speaker 9: when you're buying. Be watching that little word battery for
• 30:21
  Speaker 9: a device. You could be just buying a cheap imitation.
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: Just look out for those little words that are a
• 30:27
  Speaker 9: bit trickery with people you're buying. I think you're buying
• 30:29
  Speaker 9: a battery for a good product, that's just those little words,
• 30:33
  Speaker 9: So just be careful how your purchased.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Hopefully these laws might help a little bit. But thanks
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: for dropping me again, Adam. Thanks you.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Adam Gibbrey there from the New South Wales Fire and
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Rescue Service.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: We're going to take a break.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: On the other side, I'll catch up with Alexander down
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: I can to get his take on Ukraine and Gaza.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Plus Mart Nicholson and Tim Blair are back.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: We're going to talk about former Vice presidential accounting to
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Tim Waltz, he's actually shorted out over Tesla. Now we've
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: given you an insight before to the amazing School of
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Saint Jude in Tanzania. It was founded by Ozzie Jemma
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Sisia just over twenty years ago and it's now educating
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: close to two thousand disadvantaged children every year.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Have a look at some of their work.
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  Speaker 7: Welcome to the.
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: School Saint Jude. Our mission is to find children who
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: are very, very naturally gifted, but who would never be
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: able to afford the school feest for a private education.
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: Look.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I've had a bit to do with this school and
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: its story.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: And I love to mention it at least once a
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: year when Jemma Sisia comes out to Australia raising the
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: profile for a visit and she joins me.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Now from Adelaide. Thanks for joining us again, jem are
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: always good to talk to you.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Let me your school does such great work in Tanzania,
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: literally changing lives some of the kids. You've given a
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: free education to, our teachers, nurses, doctors working in Africa
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: helping helping their compatriots and the like. But you've done
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: it all, not just as an Aussie but with an
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: enormous amount of Aussie support, right, and that's why you're
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: here again now to drum up more support.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, so each year.
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  Speaker 8: So a few weeks ago we enrolled two hundred and
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: fifty students into our scholarship program and then we jump
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: on a plane, come out to Australia for a month
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: and try and get a more sponsors. So it's that
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: season again where we come out to Australia.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Now, that's the fantastic thing about your scheme explained to
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: people how it works because you can people here in
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Australia can directly sponsor kids.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: And get them all the way through their education.
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: Yes, So we started the school with three kids about
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: twenty years ago and now we have eighteen hundred students,
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: all on full scholarships, ninety percent of which KRUSA sponsored
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: by Australians, which is wonderful.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Just incredible that so many Australians are supporting that and
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: doing so much much good. Now, tell me what age
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: is it the school from the beginning right through to
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: the end of high school.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, we have.
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: So we start a school with three kids, but now
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: we have three schools, so we've got two secondary schools
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: which are one hundred percent boarding and one primary school.
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: And then we also have over four hundred students at
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: university that we support in ten different countries.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: With the university studies just extraordinary. What are the biggest
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: problems you're encountering now?
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: You must have so many issues that you're dealing with
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: day in day out as you're expanding in that way.
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: Yes, so probably our biggest issues, well, my biggest issues
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: probably finding good staff. So ninety eight percent of our
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: staff at Tanzanian and we're always trying to find good
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: leaders that can help us to continue to expand the
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: school and have more of an impact in our community.
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: But luckily, well thankfully, we now have alumni who are
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: able to come back in our school. So for example,
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: we open a new girls secondary school a few years
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: ago and the boys' school were beating them in the
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: national exams. But we've got lots of old girls now
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: who are physics teachers and maths teachers. So last year
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: the girls school finally beat the boys' school in the
• 34:12
  Speaker 8: national exams, which was wonderful.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Look, it's an amazing outcome when you think of how
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: you started.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: So small and you must have had big dreams.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Then, but tell us what's the most surprising thing about
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: what you've been able to achieve over these decades.
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: I think the most surprising thing I didn't expect alumni
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: to make an impact so quickly. So for example, I
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: had to go to hospital not long ago i'd broken
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: my arm and I turn up in the radiology and
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: the radiologist is an alumni.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: My daughter had a seizure.
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: Sadly at the end of last year, we had to
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: go and get an MRI at the big regional referral
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: hospital that only thankfully go to a couple of times
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: the last twenty years. And who works in the m
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: I right apartment another alumni and even one of our
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: alumni got the top Safari guide of the entire country
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: and he's only really just been working as a guide
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: for a few years, a top guide of Tanzania Safari Guide.
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: So my surprise really is that they're really making an
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: impact really really quickly, which.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Is wonderful, absolutely brilliant.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: You're getting to see that in real time already brilliant stuff. Jimmy,
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: I enjoy you stay back in Australia. I hope you
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: get a lot of support. Great to catch up.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: With you again.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Jema Sissia there from the School of Saint Jude. She
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: founded it. It's her baby. All of that success is
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: just incredible to see. You can jump onto their website
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: School of Saint Jude dot org to see what they do,
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: and it's easiest pie if you want to sponsor a
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: kid and get them a really good education in Tanzania
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: that they otherwise simply would not get. Let's stay in
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: Adelaide though now and catch up with Alexander down to
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: the former foreign minister of this great country. Good to
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: catch up with you, Alexander. So much happening when it
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: comes to foreign affairs. I'm pretty keen to get your
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: take on Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and Vladimir's lance.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: What on earth are we seeing unfold?
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: There some tentative ceasepire that's being toyed around with because
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: put in my buy in full time on a grand scale.
• 36:12
  Speaker 12: Yeah, well you wouldn't expect that on day one. I mean,
• 36:15
  Speaker 12: this will take time, but I think it's encouraging to
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: see gradual progress being made. I mean the ceasefire in
• 36:25
  Speaker 12: terms of attacking energy and infrastructure is a start. Then
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: there's obviously further discussions that are taking place in the
• 36:34
  Speaker 12: Middle East between the two sides or three sides. I mean,
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: people have to be patient. This war is a war
• 36:43
  Speaker 12: that might have killed around a million people. Is a
• 36:47
  Speaker 12: hugely bloody war which has come to a deadlock. And
• 36:53
  Speaker 12: the important thing is that the two sides eventually agree
• 36:56
  Speaker 12: to both a ceasepire and eventually some negotiations for a settlement.
• 37:03
  Speaker 12: But it's not going to happen overnight. It's going to
• 37:06
  Speaker 12: take time, so we just have to be patient.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: I think you're absolutely right, and this is significant progress
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: in a short period of time. Although I suppose the
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: person who most elevated expectations for a quick settlement was
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump, and he's been busy walking that back.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: But it is encouraging to see this progress. Now.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Here's his White House spokesperson talking about the latest call
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: with Donald Trump speaking to Vladimir Lenski.
• 37:32
  Speaker 13: The two leaders also agreed on a partial cease fire
• 37:35
  Speaker 13: against energy. Technical teams will meet in Saudi Arabia in
• 37:38
  Speaker 13: the coming days to discuss broadening the ceasefire to the
• 37:41
  Speaker 13: Black Sea. We have never been this close to peace,
• 37:44
  Speaker 13: and it's only because of President Trump that we are here.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the way to see it, really, isn't it
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: that this is acaspire and you're looking to expand it
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: over time?
• 37:55
  Speaker 12: Well, right, I mean you have to try to think
• 37:58
  Speaker 12: of analogous situations in history. I think the best example
• 38:03
  Speaker 12: was the war on the Korean Peninsula in the early
• 38:06
  Speaker 12: nineteen fifties. Eventually there was a ceasefire along the current
• 38:11
  Speaker 12: line of demarcation between the North and the South. But
• 38:14
  Speaker 12: I'm sorry to say, not since the nineteen fifties has
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: any successful negotiation led to a peace treaty between North
• 38:23
  Speaker 12: and South Korea. And South Korea has not been able
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  Speaker 12: to reunify the country, nor North Korea to unify the country.
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  Speaker 12: So it's a deadlock, but it's a deadlock which is
• 38:36
  Speaker 12: not killing anybody. And I think this is the analogy
• 38:41
  Speaker 12: to think of here. In terms of Ukraine, you lend
• 38:45
  Speaker 12: up with a deadlock. Negotiations might start over a peace treatise,
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  Speaker 12: some peace agreement. They could take a very long time.
• 38:54
  Speaker 12: The main thing is to get a ceasefire in place
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  Speaker 12: first and foremost, and you just have to be patient.
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  Speaker 12: These things take time.
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  Speaker 4: Well, speaking of ceasefires, it has fallen aside in the
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Middle East with Israel now attacking Hamas terrorists in Gaza.
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  Speaker 3: Again, I'm keen to get your assessment of that.
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  Speaker 4: And also you might not have seen it at the
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: top of the program, but I ran an old speech
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: by Nony Darwish, an Egyptian American who.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Grew up in Gaza, and she outlined, I think, in.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Really easy to understand terms, this sense that the Arab
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: world has never really wanted to settle the Palestinian issue.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: They like the idea of this permanent refugee Palestinian class
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: keeping pressure on Israel and being an excuse for any
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: problems in the Arab world.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm not sure I quite share that view. I
• 39:45
  Speaker 12: think there are a lot of reasons for there being
• 39:47
  Speaker 12: problems in the Arab world which have nothing to do
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  Speaker 12: with Israel and everything to do with the structure of
• 39:54
  Speaker 12: Arab societies, which are very diverse. They're not unified, and
• 39:58
  Speaker 12: you can't generalize about them. But look, Humas people want
• 40:05
  Speaker 12: to continue to hold the hostages and the bodies of
• 40:09
  Speaker 12: those that they've already killed rather than hand them over.
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  Speaker 12: I would have thought if you were interested in peace,
• 40:16
  Speaker 12: you would hand over the hostages and peace will be achieved.
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  Speaker 12: There'll be no no need for further fighting. For as
• 40:24
  Speaker 12: long as they hold those hostages, there will be fighting.
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  Speaker 12: I don't see the fighting ending until either we know
• 40:31
  Speaker 12: all the hostages are dead or they're handed over the
• 40:36
  Speaker 12: ones left alive are handed over. Otherwise the fighting will
• 40:40
  Speaker 12: just continue. And Hamas seems to be happy with that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, just going back to that theory is certainly not
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: suggesting that Israel is the problem of the Arab world,
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: but the Arab leaders like to use it as an excuse.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Three of their problems is this sense of Arab victimhood,
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  Speaker 4: if you like.
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  Speaker 12: I don't think. No, I'm not sure that I would
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  Speaker 12: really buy that. I mean, I think their problem with
• 41:06
  Speaker 12: the Palestinians as they're called, is that these people have
• 41:11
  Speaker 12: become very radical, and so moderate Arab leaders like the
• 41:16
  Speaker 12: President of Egypt, the Gulf leaders, the King of Jordan,
• 41:23
  Speaker 12: these moderate Arab leaders, they don't really want too many
• 41:27
  Speaker 12: of these Palestinians intruding into their territory because the Palestinians
• 41:32
  Speaker 12: are overwhelmingly supporters so as opinion polling shows overwhelmingly supporters
• 41:39
  Speaker 12: of Hamas, and these Arab leaders are very anti Hammas
• 41:45
  Speaker 12: and the extremism of Islamist organizations like that. I think
• 41:50
  Speaker 12: that's much better explanation for their attitude to the Palestinians.
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  Speaker 3: Excellent stuff, Alexander, Thanks so much for joining us. Alexander
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  Speaker 3: downa the Live of Adelaide.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: Now let's move on with the Tim Blair and Mark
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Nicholson Marks joining us now from Steps Mates Studios.
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  Speaker 3: Good to see you, Mark.
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  Speaker 4: I thought we might start off by showing a bit
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: of protest action today. It's dominated the news a bit,
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: which annoys me because that's what these people wanted to do.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: But Peter Dutton gave a set piece speech on foreign
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: policy today and some climate yahoo turned up.
• 42:26
  Speaker 9: Have a look, mister Dutton, why are you lying to
• 42:29
  Speaker 9: the Australian people.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: About the past of nuclear They're coming all out heart now.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: A couple of things amused me about this Mark.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: The first is, if you're a climate alarmist, if you're
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: the climate action the sky is falling, you've got to
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: you've got to save the planet thing. How could you
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: possibly be opposed to nuclear? I mean, the nuclear is
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: the savior for your emissions free economy. And secondly, if
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: you're a shock and lefty, when's the last time you
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: complained about the cost of anything your government does.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, precisely, mate, But no you're not getting though, Chris,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: is this is so edgy and cool.
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  Speaker 3: Do you get it?
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: This is this is awesome, This is protesting. You know,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: it's just like back in our day, listen to rage
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: against the machine, go down there, you know, you know,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: fight against power. It's incredibly lame. It's just so lame.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: All of it's really lame. And the worst bit for
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: me is that it's just ineffective. That's the problem.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: And it's they're.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Sitting there, they're complaining about nuclear but they're not even
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: really suggesting an alternative.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: What is the what are they advocating for?
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Like, do we keep going down this path that's clearly
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: jacking up prices and it isn't working and he's actually
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: destroying the environment at the same time and destroying the economy.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Is that what they're suggesting we do? Because it seems
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: like that's what they're advocating for, but they're just going
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: about it in this really emotionally immature, intellectually immature way.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: It's given me the errots. Yes.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: The other thing that gives me the rots is they
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: don't ever seem to turn up out the front of
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: the Chinese embassy where most of the emissions are coming from,
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: most of the growth in emissions.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: I mean they have a bit more street cred if
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: they turned up there, wouldn't they It'd be racist. It's
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: too racist to do stuff like that. That's the thing
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: you've got.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: You've got a lot of pots on the pan, You've
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: got a lot of pots on the burner. You've got
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: to look after a lot of things all at once.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: When you're a lefty, it's it's busy work juggling all
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: of these balls you've got to be. You've got to
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: make sure that you're not racist. You've got to make
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: sure you're looking after the climate. You've got to make
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: sure you don't have anyone's feelings except those crazy rities
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: like us that you know getting in trouble. You've got
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: you've got so many, so many things to make sure
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: you're juggling all at once.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: It's tough.
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: We've been a lefty.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: We need to bring a fell and gong onto the
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: climate and energy debate. That's what we need to do.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Tim Blairs joined us now from from Western Victoria. Good
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: to welcome you aboard.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph. There's a trouble in Paradise.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: I want to get to take from both of you
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: on this one. A fascinating story in the in the AFR.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: I think it was this morning when it comes to
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: the Teals and their puppet meister, Simon Holmes at Court.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: You know, because he spoke at the Press Club earlier
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: this week and he's the one that where they all
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: get all their funding from the best funded candidates in
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: our in our body politic and they get their money
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: from Climate two hundred. Well, there's this quote from this
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: Phil Cory story saying that, speaking strictly on condition of anonymity,
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: one Teal insider said homes of Court was being increasingly
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: likened to a progressive Clive Palmer. That is, every time
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: he speaks publicly, be it at the National Press Club
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: last week or as part of the current tour of
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: this film about No Safe Seat, it fuels the perception
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: that the candidates are the puppets of these billionaires. This
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: is a problem, isn't it. Tim When the person who
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: is your puppet meister speaks public publicly, it makes you
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: look like a puppet.
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: Just a little bit. You know, there should be maybe
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: perhaps a little bit more honest for this sort of stuff,
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: and just to be more direct with people and say, yep,
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: puppet master, just embrace it, go with it. But progressive
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: Clive Parmer, that's a that's gotta that's gonna heard them.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: That's a that's.
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: Blow the belt, that's a bit of a stick. Well,
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: you can see both parties taking exceptions to that one.
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: So you know, brace for the defot lawsuits they might be.
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: They might be coming down in the highway any minute.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: He's a progressive Clive Parmer. He's nowhere near as rich's
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: Clive Palmer. His dad was a billionaire. That's why he's
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: a millionaire. But he's not in the billionaire class.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: Like, yeah, that's.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: But I'm intrigued, Tim by the mark, by this this
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: issue of of the tills not being puppets, that they're
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: so scared about the whole puppet thing, the cover being blown.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's a radical idea wear a different color
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: shirt or or propose a different policy, you know, or
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: say something different.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: If you don't all do what he says, then you
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: wouldn't look like puppet exactly.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: They're standing in line, all wearing the same color nodding
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: whenever Simon Holmes the court is talking and all that
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: sort of stuff, and then going around and saying that
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: you're independence and that we're all on board for real
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: change on climate change. That was the last election and
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: sort of blew the lid off that as well. Nothing's happened, Like,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: what have they done? I've not seen them do anything.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: So you're right, the cover's blown and it's their own fault.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: It's kind of hilarious.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: There is one catch, though, tim to this strategy.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: If they were to break the strings and actually run
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: their own policies and choose their own colored T shirts,
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: and then they wouldn't get climate two hundreds millions of
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: dollars anymore.
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: That's right. It would be similar to the setup in
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: the US where its states want to go their own
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: way and disregard federal instructions. Well, they also lose federal funding.
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: But in this case, mister Holmes a court in that metaphor,
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: he's the big US government. Another another thing that you
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: might take exception to give us who's currently leading the
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: current government. So yeah, people who pay the bills generally
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: have it to say with the way things are run.
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: So you know, you don't throw money at something without
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: expecting something in return.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Do well, some of us do, Some of us do,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: but it's not the way of the world.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: Now we've had a look at quite a bit at
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Tesla and the way people are vandalizing even Tesla. Setting
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: Fighter Teslas now as a protest against Elon Musk is
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: the latest example in Canada.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: All right, so that's the radical thing to do.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: Now set fighter Tesla's or graffitia Tesla dealership, and their
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: stock price is now plummeting. So have a listen to
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: the former vice presidential candidate and former governor of Minnesota,
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: Tim Walls on the stock price.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: That little stock app I added Tesla tude to give
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: me a little boost during the day two twenty five
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: and dropping.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: So do they wonder why they didn't win the election?
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Mark here he wanted to be vice president. Now he's
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: cheering the downfall of a major American company.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: It's so edgy. It's so cool, you know, to become
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: full circle Cress. It's just so edgy and cool these
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: guys are. So they're going against the grain. Man, This
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: is awesome, This is progressive, This is rage against the machine.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: You're right, and he's clearly making a run for it
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: as well, Tim Watz, and he's old. The Minnesota pension
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: plan is all backed by Tesla. He was bragging about that.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Not that long ago, a couple of years ago, exactly
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: about how.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: He backed the whole pension plan on Tesla. His own
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: constituents are in trouble now, but he's trying to be Trump.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: This is what they're doing.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: They all tried to be Obama after the Oba the series,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: and now they're trying to be Trump and it's failing.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Because Trump's the best at trash talk. You're not going
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: to be able to do it. You can't pull it off.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: And if that is supposed to be presidential, you look
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: tamp on. Tim is not pulling it off, That's all
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: Indeed, yeah, he's cheering the downfall of the Tesla stock
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: price and one point six million shares that are held
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: by his own States pension fund.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: Smart move. Tim. Thanks for joining us at Tim Blair
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: and Manduson will catch you next week.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: We are right out of time short break and then
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: Caleb Bond will be up next