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Patriots Unfiltered 7/29: Training Camp Day 6 Observations, Khyiris Tonga In-Studio · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: All right, just a heart open here. Welcome to Tuesday's
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  Speaker 2: edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We are here at Jillette Stadium.
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  Speaker 2: Patriots had their second day of full pads practice.
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  Speaker 4: It's in the books.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be joined later on in the show by Caius Tanga,
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  Speaker 2: who stopped by right after practice and sat down with
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  Speaker 2: Paul and I. But let's get right to it. It's
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  Speaker 2: Mike Dussa, Evan Lazar, Paul Prolo, myself Alex is in
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  Speaker 2: the booth today and let's talk about what we saw.
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  Speaker 5: I thought it was a good day for the defense,
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  Speaker 5: not the best day that we've seen from camp. From
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  Speaker 5: the offense in Drake, I thought it wasn't really about
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  Speaker 5: the pressure. To me, it was felt like Drake was
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  Speaker 5: a little off, not his best practice, and it felt
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  Speaker 5: like a lot of the coverage was really good on
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  Speaker 5: the receivers, which was surprised and considering that Christian Zalez,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and Carlton Davis were not at practice, you
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  Speaker 5: thought maybe they'd be able to take advantage of some
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  Speaker 5: of those guys down the depth chart playing at cornerback,
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  Speaker 5: but not really seem like the offense was stumbling a
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  Speaker 5: little bit. They did have their moments in the red zone.
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  Speaker 5: They were a handful of plays that they made well,
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  Speaker 5: but overall defense one the day.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would agree with Mike.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it was a lot of red zone work,
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  Speaker 3: so that does make some of the windows obviously tighter
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  Speaker 3: and a little bit more difficult.
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  Speaker 6: But I thought he had some opportunities.
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  Speaker 3: May you know, one in particular that really stood out
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  Speaker 3: was a throw that I thought he just sort of
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  Speaker 3: led too far a Hunter Henry in the back corner
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  Speaker 3: of the end zone.
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  Speaker 6: You know, it wasn't without some highlight throws too.
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  Speaker 2: You had a really nice throw to what Diggs, he
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  Speaker 2: threw him open. Then he threw one in the bucket
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  Speaker 2: the Kyle Williams in the end zone, which was a
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  Speaker 2: really nice pass.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, there was some good place too.
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  Speaker 3: And in fairness to me, I thought the receivers had
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  Speaker 3: some opportunities to make some place for him. That didn't
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  Speaker 3: Williams being one of them, I thought failed to to catch.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, a, you know, a pretty accurate throw. The
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  Speaker 3: one to Booty really stood out to me. It was
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  Speaker 3: kind of layered in between the coverage on the sideline.
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  Speaker 3: Good throw, really, really top notch throw for may. I
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  Speaker 3: thought Booty was pretty active today.
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  Speaker 7: A couple of.
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  Speaker 6: Good run he was targeted more.
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  Speaker 3: He had a great block by sorry, Booty had a
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  Speaker 3: great block on a toss suite to Stevenson on one
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  Speaker 3: of those red zone places cracked up.
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  Speaker 6: Well, he sprung the guy for a touchdown. So it
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  Speaker 6: was nice run.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, that one was a good one, A nice toss
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  Speaker 8: play and to Campbell's side, seal the edge and we
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  Speaker 8: had I think Jack Westover was out in front of
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  Speaker 8: that one as well. But I agree with the guys.
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  Speaker 8: I think it was controlled by the defense for the
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  Speaker 8: most part.
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  Speaker 7: But I think it should be.
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  Speaker 8: When you're down in the tight red zone, you're inside
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  Speaker 8: the ten yard line trying to throw the ball into
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  Speaker 8: the end zone, usually those types of practices favor the
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  Speaker 8: defense in that situation. So again, you take the four
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  Speaker 8: or five throws that he made that were highlights, and
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  Speaker 8: you can put that on a highlight reel and say
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  Speaker 8: he looked great, or you could say, you know, he
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  Speaker 8: had I think he was about fifty percent completion rate,
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  Speaker 8: So there were seven incompletions that you could.
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  Speaker 7: Look at those two.
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  Speaker 8: But I think the biggest thing, just from two days
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  Speaker 8: in pads it I've come away with is that the
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  Speaker 8: two rookie offensive lineman looked like they can play, and
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  Speaker 8: that's a really exciting development for that group. Will Campbell
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  Speaker 8: and Jared Wilson both looked the part so far. And
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  Speaker 8: I thought Jared Wilson was really really good today, especially.
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  Speaker 7: In one on ones.
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  Speaker 4: He was just you know, engaging his guy and just
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  Speaker 4: stoning him.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah whatever.
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  Speaker 8: It was Milton Williams and Christian Barmore too, So we're
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  Speaker 8: not talking about, you know, down the depth chart here
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  Speaker 8: at the defensive tackle position. So my excitement level for
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  Speaker 8: those two guys is out of ten. My concern level
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  Speaker 8: for some of the veteran players that they brought in
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  Speaker 8: in free agency is maybe getting a little bit higher.
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  Speaker 8: You know, Morgan Moses left practice today with something and
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  Speaker 8: I don't think he's looked great. Milton Williams at times
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  Speaker 8: hasn't necessarily stood out either, so I'd like to see
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  Speaker 8: a little bit more from those guys. But the rookie
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  Speaker 8: lineman looked terrific so far, So that's exciting.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I still say, you know, we had tong
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  Speaker 2: in here and he said, you know, we're going full speed.
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  Speaker 2: We're not going to the ground, but we're going full speed.
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  Speaker 2: I just I just still don't think it really is
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  Speaker 2: you know, like you're not up front.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Really, I think I think they're like they're they're moving
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  Speaker 2: at full speed, but there's not that intention to like
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  Speaker 2: be too violent, you know.
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  Speaker 4: I Cause so I do put.
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  Speaker 3: Evidently you have to temper your enthusiasm.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I put a little caution on all of this
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  Speaker 4: so far. I mean we're two days into pads.
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  Speaker 2: Let's give me the joint practices next week and and
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  Speaker 2: then I think we can start to form more concrete opinions.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: And I'll say this about Milton Williams. I I don't
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  Speaker 8: think Milan Williams is necessarily a flashy rusher. I think
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  Speaker 8: his go to move his speed to power and I
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  Speaker 8: don't know if like that type of stuff is really
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  Speaker 8: He's not like one of these defensive tackles that's like
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  Speaker 8: spinning and ripping and doing all these crazy moves all
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  Speaker 8: the time, Like that's not really his game. So I
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  Speaker 8: kind of look at him as more of like a
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  Speaker 8: game player than a practice player. And I'm not like
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  Speaker 8: concerned of that Melon Williams is going to be a
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  Speaker 8: buster or anything like that.
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  Speaker 7: Moses, though, it worries me.
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  Speaker 8: Like he's thirty four years old, he's coming off a
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  Speaker 8: major knee injury from last season that he played through,
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  Speaker 8: and he's been in and out and he hasn't looked
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  Speaker 8: great when he's been in. So it's just something that's
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  Speaker 8: on my radar. And you know, Deuces guy Trey Jacobs
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  Speaker 8: is taking a lot of those reps at right tackle
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  Speaker 8: when Moses isn't there, so they don't really have a
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  Speaker 8: great solution to that problem if it's not Morgan Moses.
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  Speaker 7: So it's just something to monitor.
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  Speaker 2: I was going up the elevator with one of Paul's guys.
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  Speaker 2: I won't mention his name, but he's like worried about
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  Speaker 2: our left tackle, very concerned, very concerned, and this is
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  Speaker 2: before practice, and I was like, okay, I said, he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be fine.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: It's like I mean, this is shaping up to me
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  Speaker 7: right now.
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  Speaker 5: I think I might have bigger questions about the center
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  Speaker 5: and left guard position than I do about the tackles.
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  Speaker 5: Not to say I don't have questions about the right
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  Speaker 5: tackle position for sure, but we've gotten to a point now,
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  Speaker 5: right now where I'm like, jeez, I hope Bill Campbell
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  Speaker 5: is good and can provide some kind of stability because
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  Speaker 5: right now, I don't know what the season long answer
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  Speaker 5: is at center at les so far.
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  Speaker 2: Like I've seen one rep in one on ones where
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  Speaker 2: Keon White beat him.
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  Speaker 4: That was yesterday. Today he looked fine.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean he won both his reps today. I
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  Speaker 8: should mention one against Keon, one against Chase On. Chason
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  Speaker 8: got him a couple of times, and one early one
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  Speaker 8: late in sort of more team periods. But I think
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  Speaker 8: what you're seeing from Campbell's what I expected. He's already,
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  Speaker 8: in my mind, a really good run blocker, Like I
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  Speaker 8: think he's going to be a great run blocker right
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  Speaker 8: out of the gate. The pass protection, I think it's
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  Speaker 8: more about adjusting to his limitations and how that's going
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  Speaker 8: to work at this level, and how he's going to
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  Speaker 8: protect against his length and all that kind of stuff
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  Speaker 8: and sort of learning how to keep guys out of
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  Speaker 8: his frame and keep guys especially that are speed rushers
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  Speaker 8: that can turn the corner tightly like a chase on, Like,
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  Speaker 8: how do I get out to those guys without compromising
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  Speaker 8: the inside?
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  Speaker 2: Ye, he's got to rely on his athleticism in his
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  Speaker 2: quick feet.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, right, So how can you know he set out
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  Speaker 8: to get his hands on a chase on when he
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  Speaker 8: chase on speed rushes off the edge. But then you
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  Speaker 8: don't want to open the inside and lose your leverage,
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  Speaker 8: So you have to kind of find that sweet spot
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  Speaker 8: that he's sort of still working on, I would say.
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  Speaker 8: But like I said, Wilson and Campbell really excite me. Like,
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  Speaker 8: I think those two guys are headed in the great
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  Speaker 8: direction right now. If anybody on the line worries me,
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  Speaker 8: it's right tackle. Like, I think they'll figure out the interior.
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  Speaker 8: And I think Campbell's gonna be fine. But overall, I
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  Speaker 8: this practice was more about the passing offense than it
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  Speaker 8: was about the line. I didn't think the line was
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  Speaker 8: a problem today, and I thought it was more about
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  Speaker 8: the receivers and the quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: And I just pull on the threat on chase on
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  Speaker 5: focus on him. I think he's been a really nice surprise.
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  Speaker 5: I talked a lot about my concerns on you know,
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  Speaker 5: the edge guys and the leadership he's brought, the way
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  Speaker 5: he was answering questions the other day, seen some of
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  Speaker 5: the veteran mentorships. I'm working with Trade Jacobs a little
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  Speaker 5: bit on the field after practice.
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  Speaker 7: I think he's poised to have a really good season.
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  Speaker 5: It seems like the vrabel was asked about him a
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  Speaker 5: couple of days ago, and you know, first round pick
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  Speaker 5: never really lived up to it in Jacksonville, had a
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  Speaker 5: pretty good year last year in Vegas.
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  Speaker 7: So I think he's been a real surprise.
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  Speaker 5: And one other guy I just think we need to
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  Speaker 5: highlight because I've been hard on him, as Javon Baker.
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  Speaker 5: I think he's kind of started to poke his head
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  Speaker 5: out a little bit the last couple of days and
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  Speaker 5: make some plays. It seems like he's earning a few
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  Speaker 5: more opportunities with the upper level reps that he wasn't
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  Speaker 5: necessarily getting a week ago. So he's a guy to
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  Speaker 5: me that is maybe you know, and Javon and Jalen
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  Speaker 5: Polk caught a pass today as well, But I think
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  Speaker 5: Javon Baker maybe making a little bit bit of a push.
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  Speaker 7: Here, which he needs to do. He needs to take
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  Speaker 7: advantage of the opportunities.
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  Speaker 8: Chason has been their best edge rusher. I'd say through
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  Speaker 8: six practices he's been the most noticeable guy winning the
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  Speaker 8: pass rush. Got Campbell with a cross drop today, which
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  Speaker 8: is his go to move, like he's He's looked really
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  Speaker 8: good now. A lot of this is run, you know,
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  Speaker 8: pass heavy practices. He's a pass rusher. You know, that's
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  Speaker 8: his role, so you expect him to be able to
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  Speaker 8: stand out. But I'm gonna do some on that. I
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  Speaker 8: think he's probably been the most noticeable player on defense. Besides,
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  Speaker 8: you know, when Barmore gets in there, Barmore rex the game.
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  Speaker 7: He just takes over. But Barmore is yeah, Cha has
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  Speaker 7: been good. Also worth mentioning too.
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  Speaker 5: Through these practices that it seems the coaching staff is
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  Speaker 5: taking efforts to manage Barmore just a tiny bit.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 5: He played almost all of it today, which was a
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  Speaker 5: good sign. But you know the earlier days pads he
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  Speaker 5: would come out a little bit more. So I think
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  Speaker 5: they're just being precautious with him and the you know,
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  Speaker 5: the book Cutts thing making sure that that doesn't come back.
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  Speaker 5: But oh my god, Evans right, he's he's he's a
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  Speaker 5: force in the middle. And it makes me you know,
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  Speaker 5: we think we spent so much time focusing on Milton Williams.
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  Speaker 5: It's like if Christian Barmore starts to really get back
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  Speaker 5: to what we thought Christian Barmore could be before last
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  Speaker 5: year and everything got derailed. I mean, he might be
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  Speaker 5: the best player on the whole defense if if he's
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  Speaker 5: able to fully come back.
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  Speaker 7: So it's exciting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we mentioned Keon White earlier. He seems
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  Speaker 2: a step quicker to me than he was last year.
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  Speaker 2: Not not as stiff, a little bit faster around the edge.
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  Speaker 5: It made me part of the scheme too, of just
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  Speaker 5: going and getting it. Yeah, you know, could be part
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  Speaker 5: of it. And he's a key guy and had my
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  Speaker 5: eye on him a lot. I'm curious how he, you know, translates.
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  Speaker 5: He always looks tough to again an interior rep today,
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  Speaker 5: I forget.
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  Speaker 8: To had a couple against the guard backup guards today
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  Speaker 8: that he just.
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  Speaker 7: Took our lunch money. It was good to see that.
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  Speaker 8: But we know he can rush on the guards like
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  Speaker 8: that's that's a really big strength of his the edge rushing.
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  Speaker 8: He's admitted, openly admitted that he's not as good out there,
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  Speaker 8: you know, outside the tackles. So I think he's looked
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  Speaker 8: okay at times, but you know there's other times where
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  Speaker 8: Campbell's gotten him. But that's been a great one on
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  Speaker 8: one there, like it's been all every practice, it's been
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  Speaker 8: Campbell versus keyon White and iron sharpens iron hopefully, and
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  Speaker 8: those two guys have been going at it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, But as we said before, I would say, and
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  Speaker 2: I agree with Evan, the biggest person, the person who's
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  Speaker 2: making the biggest push right now is Jared Wilson.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 5: Mean, and they need him to and it's no question
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  Speaker 5: why they're giving him every opportunity because if he can
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  Speaker 5: provide that stability, it's just one of those spots. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: we were talking about it. Maybe it's asking a lot
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  Speaker 5: for a rookie to come in at center being David Andrews,
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  Speaker 5: another Georgia guy, did do it. But still I think
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  Speaker 5: he's got the talent and the athleticism to contribute and
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  Speaker 5: stabilize the way.
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  Speaker 3: I love his athleticism, you know, no question. And then
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  Speaker 3: Bradbury got banged up late in practice, so that's something
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  Speaker 3: to keep an eye on going forward. Bradbury didn't do
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  Speaker 3: the conditioning runs at the end with the rest of
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  Speaker 3: our team, So maybe tomorrow you see Jared Wilson right
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  Speaker 3: from the right from jump.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, Bradbury got stepped on in the pile, so hopefully
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  Speaker 8: it's just that. But with Wilson, I at this point,
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  Speaker 8: if it continues this way with Wilson, I don't know
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  Speaker 8: how he's not starting. I just don't know where. Just
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  Speaker 8: take your lumps alright, Like I I'm not sure if
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  Speaker 8: it's going to be left guard center, but if he
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  Speaker 8: plays this well throughout the entire camp, then he's got
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  Speaker 8: to be starting.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really just sorry if I real quick, just yesterday
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  Speaker 5: was really hot. Today was really hot, full pads like
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  Speaker 5: this little trio of practices, guys leaving you say, guys
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  Speaker 5: looking hot afterwards, looking you know, like they're about to collapse.
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  Speaker 5: Really gonna be a challenging practice tomorrow. I think like
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  Speaker 5: mental toughness, and that to me sets a great stage
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  Speaker 5: for Drake. Maybe because a lot of the throws Drake
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  Speaker 5: missed today, I felt like I've seen him make that
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  Speaker 5: throw you know some of them. I just I didn't
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  Speaker 5: really get like, well, it seemed to me a little
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  Speaker 5: bit like he was off and hopefully tomorrow similar conditions
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  Speaker 5: it's hot, hopefully he can bounce back because it's it's
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  Speaker 5: gonna be I think a similar practice script Again, one
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  Speaker 5: of my.
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  Speaker 3: Things with May that I've noticed is it's almost backwards.
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  Speaker 3: He makes his better throw as well moving. Yeah, when
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  Speaker 3: he's kind of clean in the pocket and just regular
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  Speaker 3: pocket passer, I think sometimes he loses his accuracy.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, which is odd, you know, because you guys mentioned
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  Speaker 3: the protection wasn't really an issue today, and I thought he.
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  Speaker 6: Was a little bit off.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like a guy who can hit his runner,
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  Speaker 2: but he can't hit free throws, right.
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  Speaker 5: I was noticing a little bit of a yeah the pup,
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  Speaker 5: the pump pulled down a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: You just want to see clean motion throw foom, you
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  Speaker 7: know it goes. But I think Drake will be okay.
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  Speaker 5: I think this ultimately is probably a good practice because
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  Speaker 5: they're probably turning the screws on him right now and saying,
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  Speaker 5: you know, it wasn't wasn't a great day for him.
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  Speaker 5: But I think that's what training camp is. It's ups
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  Speaker 5: and downs, and they're gonna be games that are down
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  Speaker 5: like this too. You're gonna have to bounce back. So
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  Speaker 5: it's nice stage stepher tomorrow though.
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  Speaker 4: For him, we.
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  Speaker 2: Mentioned Davis and Gonzales out. Davis has been out. Gonzales
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  Speaker 2: left practice yesterday with something with his leg. Jordan Schultz
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  Speaker 2: is reporting that it's a hamstring uh and that his
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  Speaker 2: uh you know, September is and in jeopardy because of it.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know where he's getting his information from,
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  Speaker 2: but let's hope he's right.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, Gonzalez popped his head out at the
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  Speaker 5: end of practice. I think a lot of the you know,
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  Speaker 5: reporters saw him and.
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  Speaker 7: His leg was still attached. He yeah, was still walking,
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  Speaker 7: so I think he's gonna be okay.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, they say he wasn't limping, so that means
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  Speaker 2: he didn't completely tear it. He probably just tweaked it, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and he's you know, precautioned, you know, want
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  Speaker 2: to make sure.
• 14:01
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm in the Plo school of hamstring injuries.
• 14:04
  Speaker 7: Scare me a little bit, like.
• 14:05
  Speaker 12: I know, always many guys they don't worry the cranberry,
• 14:10
  Speaker 12: see they worry me for speed guys like that's like
• 14:13
  Speaker 12: if you're like a guard and you pull a hamstring,
• 14:15
  Speaker 12: you know, I'm okay with that.
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: But when you're a corner or a receiver and you
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: rely on your legs like those can linger I mean.
• 14:22
  Speaker 8: In season sure, like, because obviously that would cause you
• 14:24
  Speaker 8: to potentially miss games.
• 14:26
  Speaker 6: This time of year, I'm not as concerned about.
• 14:28
  Speaker 7: I'll see you week one gone.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just about to say, don't push it, because
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: that's what happens. You get these soft tissues they try
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: to get on and then you re injure it.
• 14:37
  Speaker 6: Just just why they worry me.
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: This time of year, you don't have that sort of
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: urgency to get back out there, and you don't have to.
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: I don't think he'll be tempted to say, well, I
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: don't want to miss the preseason games.
• 14:48
  Speaker 6: No, like I hope he.
• 14:49
  Speaker 7: Doesn't play anyways in the preseason games.
• 14:51
  Speaker 6: You have three full weeks, four weeks.
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: You know this is by design.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: I would never you know, you have you know, actually
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: closer to five weeks now like before you them to
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: be ready.
• 15:00
  Speaker 6: So I'm not concerned at all, not really.
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: All right now, I just say I mean it's a
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: little bit of a different, disappointing start for the free
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: agency class overall. Yeah, you know that, that to me
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: is what's sticking out a little bit. I like to
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: see a little bit more from that group on the field.
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: So far, it hasn't been it's been up and down.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: Guys have been missing time.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: Well, it's been a mixed bag. Splaine, I think has
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: been active and good. I think Diggs has been better
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: than we all sort of hoped. I think Carlton Davis
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: would be sort of you know, I guess you're right
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: when you put it that way, Paul. I guess it
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: goes to what we said after twenty twenty one.
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: It's a whole different guy.
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: But you're right, and that's how we looked at twenty
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: one though in hindsight, and we said it even going
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: into this year, that not all these guys are going
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: to work out, and I think sometimes you start to
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: get in it.
• 15:49
  Speaker 7: Look, this just start up a week of practice.
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: It's not you know, we haven't written everything about them,
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: and Paul's right to highlight the positive of those guys,
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: but I think Morgan Moses has been in and out
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: of practice.
• 15:59
  Speaker 7: Carlton Davis hadn't really practice.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: Those those two guys make out to me absolutely, you know,
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: guys that were really hoping for so hopefully they can
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: get back. And I don't know what the plan is
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: with most it seems like they've been working on it
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: for a while.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: You know, you're going against your own guys. So if
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Morgan Moses has been dominant, that had been great.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: But it's like what, Chason's not doing anything. You can't
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: do anything, you.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Know, So like again, let's you can't get too pumped up,
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: you can't get too down right now, let's just give
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: it some time. We're less than a week into training camp.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Let's see what happens next week when the commanders come
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: here and guys are playing.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: I think just that.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Little extra juice because you're going against players from another team. Uh,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: let's see what happens in that one.
• 16:41
  Speaker 7: The corners don't worry me at all, Like.
• 16:44
  Speaker 8: All right, Ganza, you got that guy, Carlon, you got
• 16:46
  Speaker 8: that guy, Like I'll see you in September.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: So I've just got one slight caveat to that. I
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: would agree everything about the schematic aspect of what you.
• 16:54
  Speaker 8: Just don't have anything to learn, like they're getting.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Carlton Davis has durability issues in his career. He's missing
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: he misses games every year, so I'm not necessarily about
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: the fact that he's banged up right now.
• 17:07
  Speaker 8: But how much is that as the sports science saying
• 17:09
  Speaker 8: you no idea if we go easy on them in
• 17:11
  Speaker 8: training camp, like maybe that'll give him some more longevity
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: once the games come around. I just think it's different
• 17:16
  Speaker 8: when you talk about corners specifically, especially man corners, where
• 17:19
  Speaker 8: like there's no scheme that they're learning, like they're not
• 17:22
  Speaker 8: they don't have.
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: To learn, not worry about the schemes at all.
• 17:24
  Speaker 8: Right, Like it's not like some of these other guys
• 17:26
  Speaker 8: that are learning a new system like receivers, like they
• 17:28
  Speaker 8: have to learn and build chemistry with the quarterback and
• 17:31
  Speaker 8: learn routes and learn you know, timing and anticipation and
• 17:34
  Speaker 8: all those little things like corners. It's just you know,
• 17:36
  Speaker 8: you're on an island. You got your guy, and it's
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: that's all it is.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: I'm going to give you a little pushback because they
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: got to go to Miami week two and they got
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: to go chase around those two guys, and I hope
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: that's not good.
• 17:49
  Speaker 8: But that's a physical concern, right, Like, like I'm saying, like,
• 17:52
  Speaker 8: if they have to shut Conzo down for a couple
• 17:54
  Speaker 8: of weeks of practice, he's not like learn missing anything
• 17:57
  Speaker 8: that he's supposed to.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: Be mentally, I guess I'm saying more the physical aspect
• 18:01
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• 18:45
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• 18:55
  Speaker 4: He gave me a current ball.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: The tax free weekend to me though, was like I
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: have a big purchase, like something from Bob's.
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: Like I need to purchase a piece of furniture. This
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: is the weekend to do it.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: But you can go to New Hampshire and do it anything.
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: But what do you do?
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: But it's not like you're going like I'm gonna go
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: do some close shopping and I, I mean, I don't
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: think of it that way.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: But well, clothes aren't taxed in Massachusetts. No, I don't
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  Speaker 4: know that. Food and close no tax.
• 19:20
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• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Food, I don't think there's well restaurants, but not a
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: grocery store.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: Oh there's a meal tax.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, but not in a grocery store. So anyway, Yeah,
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• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Is the way to email us anything else we want
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: to cover before we open it up.
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: And I feel like we should just mention the kickers.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you.
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: Know yesterday Park six for six. Apparently we think very little.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I got a confirmation that, you know, from Mike Reese,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: who checks with the coaching a member of the coaching staff,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: he says he did.
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: In fact, it's confirmed six for six.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: If I had to put my mortgage on it, I
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: would say he missed the fifth one, but they're going
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: six percent.
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: We didn't watch the practice together, but we saw it
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: the same way. Those last two kicks looked at like
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: the first three. First first, fore look good.
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: That's when you're looking last two.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: You know what, I think would be fun A little
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: bit of it wraw.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Like every practice at the end, he either pulled somebody
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: from the media or somebody from the crowd to be
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: the person and do this.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be fun.
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: Eric Alexander used to do that for us.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: You remember.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: He would always stand under the goal post and he
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: would come forward like that like he was like one
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: of those Australian rules football guy.
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: He would and then to go yeah right.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: I like the two though, where you look at each
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: other you do the nod, and then he would do it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: He would he would point and there'd be nobody there, point,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: nod and then yeah.
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: You think it's interesting how they split up the kicker reps.
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: Now it's like yesterday was a Romo day and today
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: it was a borgalisday. Instead of having them go one
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: after another within the practice because I feel like there's
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: a little bit more pressure right when like it's all
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: you Bergolis goes from forty one and then Romo goes
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: and if he makes it, then it's kind of like
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: a PK shootout right where it's a little bit more pressure.
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: This now they're giving all of the reps to one
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: kicker per day instead of doing it the other way.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: Feels still very straightforward this year with the kicking drills,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: but I remember last year where they have everybody lining
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: around them and screaming at them and trying to disrupt them,
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: and it's the same special teams coaches. I just I
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: wonder if they'll get back to that. If they've gotten
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: away from that, they're going to continue to perhaps.
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: Have been good though, which I have something I've been
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: noting operation.
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: I haven't noticed any issues.
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: I haven't said Julian Ashby's name once, which.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: So you have to make a decision right now, who
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: do you keep.
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: I think it's close enough to yeah, it's I mean
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: it's yeah, it's but you put the other guy on.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: The practice squad just in case, keep him keep him
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: on ice.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if you can I mean, I guess
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I'll be the turn in the punch bowl. I think
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: we're almost kicked better.
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: I would agree, but I don't think it's I don't
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: think that it's so different that I'm not I'm cutting
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: a guy I drafted this year to keep Parker Romo,
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: who I do think would probably make it to the
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: practice squad unless he has like some crazy kicks and season.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: I would also say that the coaching staff is certainly
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: dealing with a lot more information in terms of what
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Parker Romo is, you know, at this stage of his career.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I'm just judging it off of six days, right, That's
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: not how these decisions get made on the six days.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: To me, there has been a discernible difference. I think
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Romo kicks them normally every time, and Boragalis has at
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: least a couple every day that don't look right, even
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: ones that go through. So based on that, I would
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: say Romo. But that's not, like I said, they have
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: a whole you know, backlog of you know, information on
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Romo and why they drafted Boragalis. I might say it's
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: been a it's a little bit of a struggle after
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: a week, but it'll work itself out.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: But that's interesting.
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: Ones are a good point.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: If they go through he made today that I would
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: not feel great about.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: It, right he hit those wobbly.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: When they go through, it means you have a lot
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: of power behind it and you're you're hitting through the mishit,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: But that's not a good sign, especially once the.
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: Weather starts to turn and it's yeh cold.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Or there's been no weather, there's no like wind wind,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: you know, that's that's really affected. Maybe one day the
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: wind may have had an effect on some of the
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: longer kicks, but not much.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: It's been pretty hot and humid, good good kicking conditions.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: We should mention, you know, thoughts go out to the
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: people at the NFL offices and everyone in that building
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: at Park Avenue yesterday with what happened, particularly the loss
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: of life from the police officer. Just not a good
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: scene over there. And I know NFL dot com or
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: they're social they've gone dark today.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: They're not posting.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Because if you were there, that's kind of a scary,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: scary time.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know you have a shelter in place, yeah, hide.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And apparently the guy took the wrong elevator. Otherwise
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: he was going for the NFL offices. He you know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: the reports, So they'd had a note in his pocket
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: about CTE and this whole thing. So yeah, so not
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: a good situation, all right, eight five five Pats five
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: hundred is the hotline. Let's get it open to you.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: We'll start with Todd and Gardner. What's up Todd?
• 24:26
  Speaker 13: Hey, guys, I've been loving the camp coverage, but I've got.
• 24:30
  Speaker 14: A quick question.
• 24:32
  Speaker 13: Previous years, you guys would shut the camera down, but
• 24:35
  Speaker 13: you'd stay and watch and give it kind of play
• 24:37
  Speaker 13: by play, a little bit of highlights. I know you
• 24:39
  Speaker 13: couldn't help exactly like a bry Woods or anything, but
• 24:42
  Speaker 13: that was really great just to hear the inflection is
• 24:45
  Speaker 13: in your voices, the excitement, the disappointment from time to time.
• 24:49
  Speaker 13: Two and you guys have been doing that this year.
• 24:51
  Speaker 13: Is there a reason why did they ask you not to?
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: No, they didn't ask us not to.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: We decided not to because I didn't feel it was
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: very good content. Not a lot of people were actually
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: listening at that point. You know, the numbers wise, you know,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: we we we know how many you know, and so
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: like there was a big drop off so we just
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: didn't think it was worth it.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: It also ate into how much we could actually watch
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: an analyze practice because you're worried about not having dead
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: air and trying to relay stuff, whereas now we can
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: really focus on it and then come in either here
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: or in the camp cast and get into what the
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: details were that happened, rather.
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: Than oh, that was a big play by Gonzalez. We
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: can't tell exactly what happened, but that kind of thing.
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 25:32
  Speaker 13: And plus there's like w Ee I and some of
• 25:34
  Speaker 13: the other guys that are live casting and you can
• 25:36
  Speaker 13: watch there or something, So I guess there are other options.
• 25:39
  Speaker 13: I just prefer you guys.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: All right, Okay, thanks Todd, Thanks Todd.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Well anyone else that's doing it live, they can't be
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: showing anything, you know, I hope.
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: So.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: No, their cameras are on right them right. Mike's on
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: lung Island. What's up, Mike, A gentleman?
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: How we're doing?
• 26:01
  Speaker 11: All?
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 26:03
  Speaker 11: Then read yet?
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: What do you say? I didn't say that again? Did
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: you do?
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: Then read the bront reads?
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Oh not yet, but we will Mike. You work for Brunt.
• 26:14
  Speaker 15: No, No, the good rule anyway?
• 26:20
  Speaker 11: Uh So all the book talk the last couple of
• 26:23
  Speaker 11: weeks and the Jaws talk.
• 26:24
  Speaker 15: I don't wanted to.
• 26:25
  Speaker 14: Call him half they able to. I read the book,
• 26:29
  Speaker 14: the Jaws Book, and it's way better.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: The movie sounds like an affair going on, and well
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: we're not talking to Jaws today.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: But thanks Mike.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: That might be the first person I've ever heard say that.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I know a lot of people that have read the book.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I read the book and I thought the book was
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, the.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: Movie was was actually good Ties, and.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they had all kinds of like this complicated affairs.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: You know, Hopper has an affair with with bro It's
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: like mafia ties, and that the mayor is like compromised.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: I read the book and the movie is much better.
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: That's what I hear more often than not.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I will say though, I am about halfway through
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: Casino Royale. I jumped into my first James Bond book
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: and interesting, it's very Yeah, well it's it's nice to
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: just read a James Bunnen just interpret him as a
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: character and I'll think about like Sean Connery or any
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: of the guys that acted us.
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: So it's very, very short, very sparse book. That was
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: what was interesting to me. So I'll full report for everybody.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, but.
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: Casino Royal is the first book.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: They didn't make that one until Daniel Craig, So I
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: was like, why are they why they mix up with
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: Connery back in the fifth The books are written in
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: the fifties and then they jump right into like book
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: five was the first one.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: All right, we'll get that.
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: Fred's not happy with this.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: I just want to get football.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: We just got out of time, so I just want
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: to make sure that we're talking football for a little
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: bit before people will yell at us.
• 27:44
  Speaker 16: Well.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: I have my eye though on obviously the cornerbacks and
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: and Paul mentioned did you mention DJ James and this one?
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: DJ James, Alex Austin and Marcela Style.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: So those are the you know, guys behind the scenes
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: that these injuries linger or they pop up during the season.
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: These are the guys they're looking at.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Alex Austin talked after practice, still talking to Uncle Willie McGinnis.
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: Mike Greasee asked him. He said, Willie told him exactly.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: What to expect from Mike Rabel, So, you know, just
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: looking for rout s Austin to start the year like
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: he finished the last two years he made you know,
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: he had some good contributions at the end, battled injuries
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: the start of these last two seasons, so hopefully he's
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: able to mix in and provide some insurance behind Davis
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: and it's AWESO.
• 28:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: I don't know if Marcel's dials an outside corner, but
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: he's played a little bit in the slot at the
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: nickel spot and he's looked pretty good there. I thought
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: he had pretty good coverage on Hunter Henry a couple
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: of times today and was really good against the run
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: yesterday in that run heavy practice. So I wonder you know,
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: they talked a lot about big Nichols and getting some
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: more size there, and you know who's exactly going to
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: cover tight ends when they do face the team like
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: right out of the shoot with brock Bauers in Week one,
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: Like who's going to cover him? And maybe Dials somebody
• 28:51
  Speaker 8: that can play more of like a slot nickel safety
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: type of role.
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: He's a good tackler.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: Marcus Jones two has had some injury issues like pretty
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: much of the years, so you need to ensure I
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: don't know.
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: If I love him on the outside, but if that
• 29:03
  Speaker 8: says the role they have in mind for dial.
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: I don't mind that.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: That's an interesting point about Bowers, and we'll probably you know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks away from really sort of diving
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: into that. But it's something that I have been thinking
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: about because Marcus Jones not big enough for that for
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: that role, and I do think they need a corner
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: on him.
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: Not I don't.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: I don't like the idea of the safeties unless they
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: just wanted to try to rough them up. But I
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: think that's a dangerous game you're playing. I don't know
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: if Craig Woodson or you know, Marcus Epst, I don't
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: think those guys are necessarily you know, at that stage,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: you might need an Alex Austin or a Marcella's dial.
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: As Evan just mentioned.
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: Would you ever go gonzo upon him about you? Could
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: you could do that?
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Because it's really only Jacoby Myers, like that's going to
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: scare you, you know, as a receiver, and he's not
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: really even going to scare you. He's just a good
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: professional receiver. But they they don't really have much else before.
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: I think it's the rookie right why elder Thornton Mellon.
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: I wonder about Davis uh on Bowers like long physical
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: corner and Carlon Davis maybe he plays Bowers and then
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: you put Gonzo on Jacobe Myers.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: And good luck, yeah, and then we win.
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: And then we went with Turner in a fast like
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: Pop Douglas type, right, So, like I wonder if maybe
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: that's the matchup. Like Carlon Davis seems like the type
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: of guy that could that could give Bowers some problems,
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: you know.
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: I mean he's a special player.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: He's the kind of guy where you might need to
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: get a little bit outside of the box.
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: Thinking that kind of thing too.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you need someone with corner cover ability
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: on him, and I think Davis that makes a lot
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: of sense.
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: You got to worry about genty but that the Raiders
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: are going to go and win twelve games. As I'm
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: hyping up all their skilled players, but they, I mean
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: probably gonna want to have a decent amount of guys
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: in the box, seven eight guys in the box against
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: gent And you just realized.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: That the way we're looking at all these teams is
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: the same way they're looking at us. It's like that's
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: a winnable game. The paid like every one of these
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: teams were saying the Raiders are a winnable game. The
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Raiders are saying the Patriots winnable game.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yep Emery writes in red zone work, he puts in
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: quotes can meet a lot of different things.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Was it first and ten from the.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Twenty third and go from the five first quarter trailing
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: in the fourth Drake's incentive to force the ball or
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: throw it away are massively different depending on the details.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: Can you please expand and what red zone work meant today? Yeah?
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, I mean it's I can give it right
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: to you. They started seven on seven in the red
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: zone and then they moved into eleven on eleven. The
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: first portion was going from the thirty five into the eighteen,
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: and they were those were running through first, second, third
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: downs consistently. The second one they moved to the eighteen,
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: did four reps there, and then the final one was
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: red zone plus twelve to the plus three, so right
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: down to the end. But a lot of those were yeah,
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: like the touchdown throw to Diggs was a third down
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: touchdown throw. A couple of the couple of the groupings
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: they had four reps, but for the most part it
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: was first, second, third down for Drake or for Dobbs,
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: whoever was in there at those specific yardages. So you're
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: totally right, that's that's good context to provide it.
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: It was fair.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: It wasn't live scrimmage, but it was first, second, third
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: down that side of the field that you're you're building
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: up towards.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Actual I would just say that none of it was
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: got to have it place like, none of it was
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: like he's just forcing it because you know, it doesn't
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: matter if it's incomplete or not.
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: The game's over. There were no situations like.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: You've never gotten the sense in this camp that's happened
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: in camps before, where it's very able putting the ball
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: in all right offense, whoever wins this gets push ups.
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: There hasn't been any of that kind of stuff either
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: where it was.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: And I would also say that it doesn't really matter
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: what quarter it is, you know, unless, like I said,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: it's like the game is ending and it's you know,
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: you lose if this is incomplete, you don't want to
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: like throw it away. Yeah, you know you're forcing one
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: in there. But these practice reps doesn't matter.
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: If it's first quarter or fourth quarter.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: It's you know, yeah, they're trying to execute the red
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: score points.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: That's the job.
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: They did have some quarterback round stuff in there today
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: that I thought was interesting.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: But I know I was talking about that.
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: It didn't go so.
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: Hot, I would say, but you know, that's that's again
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: another thing that's gonna take some timing and you know,
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: a chemistry to build it, the mesh points and all
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: that fancy stuff. But it was I'm interested, you know,
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: I'm a little bit excited.
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: As a little bit about it too. I don't know
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: if you heard that, but yeah.
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: It's good that it's in there, and we'll see how
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: much they actually end up using it. But you know,
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: I've been found on the table for it, especially in
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: the low red zone, like down by the goal line,
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: like he can just waltz right in if you know
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: the end crashes, He's just gonna walk into the end zone.
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: So you might as well have him be a threat
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: to at least be able to do that. So we'll
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: see how much of that they end up doing. But
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: there was some of that today.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: John Wrightson and Paul will love this email. Are you
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: guys only going to slam Drake May for two hours?
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: He's been excellent every other day.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Well, I would say he wasn't excellent on Saturday. He
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: was up and down on Saturday. I thought he was
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: better than most other people thought he was. But I
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: don't think he was excellent on Saturday under anybody's of you.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: So we're gonna comment on what he's what he's like
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: that day. I'm not going to tell you that he was.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, Kyle Williams was really good on last Wednesday.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: I haven't really seen a whole lot from him since today.
• 34:21
  Speaker 14: Today.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: I thought he had a horrific back shoulder dropped today
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: on one of the best throws that May made.
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: He did have him dropped into the end zone.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: It was down it was downfield. I don't know if
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: it was in the end zone, but it was a
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: great time level. Yeah, and that's what you have trouble seeing.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: And that's why I saw it perfectly. He has hit
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: him perfect hit him right on the shoulder.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: And he dropped.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Because one of our emails, you were saying you don't
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: like using binoculars. He was saying that they have a
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: new thing that you might be interested in. There were
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: some glasses.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: I wear glasses to see distance.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, I mean that's I wear contact lenses so I
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: can see so wise, I would.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Walk into the trouble.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: See there's a long your way.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: So why didn't you use the binoculars.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I don't like binocars. I like to see everybody. I
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: don't want to just see the two guys that you
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: can see in the monocotar.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: That's not how binoculars work. Pull I kind of a
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: bunch of things.
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: You zoom in on one individual, you.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Don't have to. I see. I see a whole line
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: when I'm in.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: I told the boys today that it was interesting that today,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: after we had the whole thing yesterday, they did everything
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: down the.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: Far end of the field.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, we were.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: They could probably see a little bit better than me today.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Now I wouldn't have been able to see because it
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: was even further away from it. But it's like, you
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: have a problem seeing one hundred feet, so let's go
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: four hundred feet in the air so it's even further away.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: Like that, that's a good solution. I would good suggestion.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I would take things that Paul says with a little
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: grain of salt, because he's not really even through millions.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Of people I know.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Evan watches the game unlike you did you see the
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: early It was an early reping team. It was maybe
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: the second series of plays that that Drake had. I
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: thought the timing was perfect on a back shoulder throw
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: that Kyle Williams job to give me that.
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: It's interesting.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: There's only one guy here that didn't see it. You
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: he saw, but he just blocked it out of his
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: memory because time did.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: I not.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: But not on the air. You're saying that I couldn't
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: see it because I was at field.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: But you have troubles perfect. You have trouble seeing. You
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: admit it. You have trouble seeing.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I do have trouble saying, but I saw that, So
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: we have to Yeah, the negative one. But you know
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: some people have rose colored. You know, he has this
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: like dark cloud colored.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Now now, now I'm not anymore too negative. I've been
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: getting made fun of it being too positive all camp.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Now I'm too negative.
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: I have I just the email or don't want me
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: to get They can have their own takes.
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: That's okay. But I think Drake's been fine. I think
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: he has been too.
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: I don't like he hasn't completed every pass, but like
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: I've seen exactly what I wanted to see out of
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: him for the most part, Like he is not going
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: to be Tom Brady. He's not going to complete seventy
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: five percent of the pass in a training camp. Practice
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: is not the style.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: I've had no issues with Drake may. I don't think
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: today was one of his better days.
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: I agree with you. But he's going to have those sprays.
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: He's going to have the erratic throws, and he's probably
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: going to have what three four of them a game
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: that you're like, where was that one going? But then
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: he's also going to drop one in the bucket of
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: Pop Douglas sixty yards down the field off platform, and
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: you're going to be like, oh right, yep, Like that's
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: that's why he's The throat that was so good.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: I think I've written about it three different times, right.
• 37:26
  Speaker 8: So, like, you know, the throat of booty at the
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: end of practice. I thought was ending it on a
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: high note. I thought he made a nice throw that
• 37:32
  Speaker 8: Fred mentioned earlier, the feeder throat of Stefan Dix, you know,
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: right over Craig Woodson.
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: Williams fade.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Yep, but Kyle Williams fade touchdown when they work in
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: the hut in there in the red zone.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: It's not that hard, but it has. Tony told me,
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: who's Tony?
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: It's funny that this email though he's right in so
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: we would stop talking about it, and now we're just
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: going to double down on top about Drake's day.
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: Just like I don't I don't really have time for children.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: I really don't like if you don't want to hear that,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: like the offensive line has been an issue at times,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: don't listen.
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: Just pretend it's not an issue. If you don't want
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: to hear that.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Drake May made a lot of really good throws that
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: were really tough on Saturday, but he also missed some.
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: Don't listen, Like I don't want to tell you not
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: to listen.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Obviously we want everybody that we can, but I can't
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: just make it up right now.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: I'm only kidding. Oh, I know you.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: And that's what's like funny, is like Evan and I
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: watched practice and I walk down, you know, go right
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: up to Paul and would you think and it's just like, yeah,
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: we both watched the same practice.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: You know, that's for everybody. Everybody.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: No, there's times where, like as I said on Saturday,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: I had all of those guys making fun of me
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: because I thought, because of the level of difficulty on
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: some of the throws that Drake May was pretty good
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: on Saturday. Everybody else that covered the practice thought he
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: was really erratic, and I was like, Oh, it's kind
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: of hard to complete a twenty five yard over route
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: with a guy in your grill. Today he didn't have
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: guys in his grill as often, so when he was
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: missing some throws today, I was a little bit less
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: forgiving on some of the misfires. Tomorrow he might be
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: perfect and we'll say that he was perfect.
• 39:19
  Speaker 8: I just feel like, you know, I think the scribes
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: had him seven for fourteen today, and given where the
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: field position was and where they were working, like I
• 39:27
  Speaker 8: kind of expect a quarterback to go seven for fourteen
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: when they're throwing the ball from the three yard line,
• 39:32
  Speaker 8: like those are going to be tight windows, those are
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: gonna be hard passes to complete. So I'm not surprised
• 39:37
  Speaker 8: that it wasn't perfect. And I don't think his accuracy
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: is perfect, Like, I don't think he's a precision quarterback.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: You know, It's so funny here in New England because
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: other than Tom Brady, we've never had a hot you know,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: a top quarterback to watch in training camp.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: You know Cam Newton and Mac Jones, and.
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: I don't forget about Bailey Zappy.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Though, you know, so, like I wonder what it looks
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: like at other places for you know, like like.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: One of the better quarterbacks.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Like what does the first week of practice look like
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: for you know a quarterback, like a top fifteen quarterback.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Let's say, I mean, I just say real quick for me, like,
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: I've been surprised at how well Drake has looked through
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: these early practices. I expected that there would be some hesitation,
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: some not quite knowing where to go with it, that
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: kind of thing. But he's been really good picking up
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: the offense. It seems like knowing where to go with
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: the ball being decisive. So the last couple of days
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: and I'm probably a little bit more on the everybody
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: making fun of Paul side than Paul's side. From Saturdays,
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: I thought he was erratic and missed some throws, but
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: again today, like I thought a lot of those, I've
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: seen him make those throws and it's not like the
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: offense looks like too much for him. It's not push
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: the panic button. Anybody who played sports they ever have
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: a bad day of practice where you felt a little off,
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: Well maybe that was what today was. But again that
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: what I'm excited now is to see how does he
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: bounce back tomorrow? How does he take this performance with
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: which Again, the first thing Harold Landry says is the
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: offense kind of took it to us that, you know,
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: and the coaches were kind of on us and we
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: so now it's time for the offense to try to
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: respond and get their buzzing gear.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Rick in Riverside, Rhode Island, he has two points. Booty
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: may not be a number one, but he's solid and
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: had some big plays last year. Do you see him
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: benefiting from Josh's system and Diggs drawing more attention? I
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: think he can be a fifty sixty catch eight to
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: ten touchdown player. And his second point is the O
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: line looks much improved with a talent in flux creating
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: strong camp competition. Do you see Remandre benefiting from a
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: revamped O line. I know we had the fumbles last year,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: but he is still a good to great running back.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: So the first point, what about Booty.
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: Pody a nice practice say?
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: I think Paul said a couple of days ago feels
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: like he's a little bit of a slow starter. I
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: think he's been a little bit more quiet than Diggs
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: and Douglas have been.
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: Through the early practices.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: But as Evan pointed out, he caught a TD to
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: wrap up today, you know, from Drake nice throw.
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: So I think he's absolutely in the mix. I don't
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: evenally consider him on the bubble.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: We'll see how it develops over the course of the
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: year if Kyle Williams maybe is able to eat into
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: some of his snaps.
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: He's been good, but he's he's been solid. Yeah, I
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: mean it's not flashy, you know, he's not you know,
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: but I think he's for the role that they need
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: him for. I think he'll be He'll be pretty.
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: Eight to ten touchdowns is a lot. I would say,
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: maybe you're closer to him potentially on the reception side,
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: Like I don't necessarily watch key Shan Boody and think,
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: like red zone threat that all of a sudden he's
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: going to start racking up a bunch of touchdowns.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: But I.
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: Think that for the role that they want that X
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: receiver to play, which in the past has been referred
• 42:39
  Speaker 8: to as just like a sacrificial X, Like you're basically
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: just on the outside taking taking the top off, you know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: occupying the deep safety. If you're one on one backside,
• 42:49
  Speaker 8: you might get a target like that that role. I
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: don't see why he can't do that. I mean, hopefully
• 42:54
  Speaker 8: it's down the route, down the line. They can upgrade
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: that spot. But for the time being, he's the best
• 43:00
  Speaker 8: that they got.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: What do you think about run blocking? Can you make
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: any judgment yet?
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: It's it's been good. I think through two practices. It's
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: two practices, so I think it's premature to make any
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: big judgments. But like Campbell and Jared Wilson could really
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: help their run blocking. You know, they're both really good
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: run blockers, really athletic players as well, so it kind
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: of allows them to do some different things, you know,
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: whether it's like tossing or getting up to the second
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: level or pulling, you know, either one of those guys,
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: Like they have that athleticism and that movement skill, so
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: I think they're gonna be able to run the ball
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: a little bit if this continues to progress.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: This Dirrection and Campbell he does seem like a maller
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: in the run game. He does once he gets his
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: mits on a guy.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: It's all over.
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he moves his feet. Well he's aggressive and.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to the phones.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: James is in belize. What's up?
• 43:51
  Speaker 15: James, Hey break, Yes, I don't want to talk about football.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, you don't want to talk about football.
• 44:05
  Speaker 15: This is first of all, because I'll call you from
• 44:07
  Speaker 15: the middle of nowhere.
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: Oh double o seven?
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Is that you?
• 44:10
  Speaker 9: I like it?
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: What's up?
• 44:13
  Speaker 13: So?
• 44:13
  Speaker 15: Yeah, so's not very much. I'm a visit, like, visiting
• 44:18
  Speaker 15: all the local bars to try and find the official
• 44:21
  Speaker 15: Patriot bar here, trying to represent the fan club. But
• 44:24
  Speaker 15: obviously that takes a lot of information and things like that.
• 44:27
  Speaker 15: So I just thought i'd check in and see how things are.
• 44:30
  Speaker 15: I think I think mostly like Paul and Mike, there
• 44:35
  Speaker 15: are definitely fans, so I think of the majority of
• 44:38
  Speaker 15: the stick by you, I'm cautiously optimistic about eight wins.
• 44:43
  Speaker 15: If I squinted, I think I can see, you know,
• 44:46
  Speaker 15: maybe ten wins, but you know, we'll see how it gets. Yeah,
• 44:50
  Speaker 15: those are Michaels.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Listen if they have eight wins, even eight wins, and
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: thanks James. Even eight wins is four better than last year,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: and some things will have to go right.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: Now, obviously nine times they.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Didn't they ended up losing. But even to get to
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: eight wins, you're gonna have to see a lot of
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: improvement from last year.
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've talked to Mike Grease before practice. We've talked
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: about a little it's just the last couple of years
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: I felt, you know, I felt optimistic last year too,
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: And it's just trying to figure out because right now,
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: I feel like this looks like a football team. To me,
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: it looks like an NFL football team that's gonna win
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: some games. I don't want to put a number on
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: it what it's gonna be, but it looks like a
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: team that's gonna have an identity, that's gonna have a
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: play style, that's gonna follow.
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: The lead of their head coach.
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: But even like two years ago, you felt like, yeah,
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: it hasn't been great, but we got Bill Belichick and
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: it's gonna come together.
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: And you know, last year maybe it was a little
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: bit more.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: I'm maintaining an open mind, trying to be positive, but
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: this is gonna be something completely new. So I feel
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: a little bit like I just I'm not quite sure
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: what I believe anymore, Like I need to see and
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: feel like if these guys come out and.
• 45:53
  Speaker 8: Looks so you don't know, it's just a kid who
• 45:56
  Speaker 8: was told Santa Claus right right.
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: It's been hurt.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: But but I mean, you guys have watched plenty of teams,
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: and I mean it's you're probably a little skewed because
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: you're watching, you know, the greatest run in football history,
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: and the other teams are probably like, you know, more
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: up and down. And some quarterbacks aren't just Tom Brady
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: where he just seems to keep getting better and every
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: year he's awesome. And you know, some guys are like
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: Russell Wilson, where it's good and it's bad, and it's
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: good and it's bad, and it's bad and it's bad
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: and it's good and it's bad. You know, those kind
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: of ups and downs, and when people ask us to
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: predict like what we see. I feel really positive about
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: the team that they're putting together up there. They might
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: have some words, they might not be the greatest team
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: in the world yet, but I feel good about.
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: The team that they're building right now.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: I don't know what it's going to translate to, but
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: I'm just hoping that I'm not again being the cock
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: eyed optimist of well, Mike Rabel's running around and doing
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: drills and everybody's saying all the right things.
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: And you get in the regular season.
• 46:47
  Speaker 17: And you're like, oh my god, we don't have those
• 46:49
  Speaker 17: means Honestly since Brady left, Paul and have we had
• 46:54
  Speaker 17: a training camp time a summer and you get through
• 46:58
  Speaker 17: into the you know, September where we said, wow, that
• 47:02
  Speaker 17: was a great training camp, that was a great preseason.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: This team's ready to go. Have we had that since Brady?
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: Even with Brady?
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Did you feel that way though?
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: I mean, do you still feel kind of like a
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: few things?
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: So there were a couple of times I did, But
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: to be honest, no, I didn't always think like that.
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: I mean, you knew they were good because they had him.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Right right, that's the greats Like seven, they just looked
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: like it was different, Like you could just tell that
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: the team had a look that was really efficient and effective,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: and you could tell that that team was going to.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Be things that you hadn't seen before.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean when Brady was here, I always thought, well,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: you know, it's going to be twelve and four minimum,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: you know, are they going to host the championship game?
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: Dude got very upset at that, but.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: You were probably saying the reason they're going to lose
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: these four games in training camp is becaurect.
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: I don't think like we don't have the depth on
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: the defensive.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: You know, we can't.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: I used to argue with Bill O'Brien.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Bill O'Brien used to give Andy and I a hard
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: time about it, like, I don't know how you guys
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: I don't know how you guys.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: And we explained to them, like Billy, we're not saying
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: that the team's not great. What we're saying is is
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: there something about the team that's going to cause you
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: to have to go on the road in a big
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: playoff game? And you know, and it would be something
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: like that, like I don't know if they have enough
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: depth at corner like that nickelback spot, or you know,
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: where are they going to get you know, the pass
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: rush from you know beyond X or whatever, you know something.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: It was never like I don't know if they have
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: a number one receiver, Well, I don't know if they
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: have an answer at left tackle.
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: It was never something like that.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: It was always like a depth related secondary piece that
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: might be the difference between twelve and fourteen wins. Now
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: we just we just want to get back to respectability.
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I feel like that's like the way I see
• 48:47
  Speaker 8: what's been going on really since the spring is like
• 48:50
  Speaker 8: I feel like they're going to put eleven guys in
• 48:52
  Speaker 8: the field that know what they're doing because of the coaching.
• 48:54
  Speaker 8: Like I feel like they're going to be coach correctly
• 48:56
  Speaker 8: and they're going to know their assignments and they're going
• 48:58
  Speaker 8: to play fundamentally sound. I think that they're gonna be
• 49:01
  Speaker 8: able to do all that. You know, where the roster
• 49:04
  Speaker 8: is and where that is are two different things. Like
• 49:06
  Speaker 8: there's a professional football player, so there's a if you
• 49:09
  Speaker 8: coach him right, they can get to that level of
• 49:11
  Speaker 8: like we're competent, right, right, But are they gonna have
• 49:16
  Speaker 8: the top end talent in certain areas? Are they gonna
• 49:18
  Speaker 8: have the depth in certain areas? I think that still
• 49:21
  Speaker 8: remains to be seen.
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: Looking back, I feel like I looked at certainly twenty nineteen,
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: my first season here, when Brady was still here, but
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: even after Brady left, no matter what happened in camp,
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: I think I would defer to we have Bill Belichick.
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: We have the greatest coach of all time. It's gonna
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: pull together, even no matter how things look in camp.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: He's a good enough coach, he's gonna pull it together.
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: And maybe I, you know, had the wool pulled over
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: my eyes a little bit with those observations twenty three,
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: twenty four.
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: Now you're starting not to.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: Just blindly believe that this team's gonna somehow pull it together.
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: And right now, I really do feel really good about
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: what they're building out there, and it's just I'm you know,
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: I'm trying not to be like over the moon because
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: I know it's not going to be as great as
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: you think it could possibly be, but I still think
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: it could be really good. And what I've seen from
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: this team in the first week, I really believe in
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: Mike Rabel as a coach.
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: I believe in the program that he's doing.
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: I just hope that they have the talent to really
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: trade punches with these really good teams that they inevitably
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: have to face up and down there.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, is there things that you need to
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: see in August, in the month of August to be
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: able to definitively say, yeah, this offense is going to
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: be okay.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, It's hard, right, It.
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: Is hard because it is you talk about joint practices
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: and yeah, you know, I'm sure Philly came out of
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: here feeling like, well, maybe the Patriots just stunk last
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: year and their offensive line was terrible, and you know,
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: or they felt like, wow, we are primed to do
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: what we're about to do.
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: It's so hard. It's just it goes back to the
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: only real truth is games.
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: And no matter what we talk about from preseason, from
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: joint practices, from OTAs and all this stuff, and we
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: certainly get information about how the coaches feel about players,
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: and we see big plays, but how's it all going
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: to come together in an organic game setting where there's
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: ups and downs on the flow of the game and
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: this team needs mental toughness and they need to preserve
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: a lead or they need to come from behind, like.
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: All those characteristics.
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: I just I don't think there's any way to know
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: from what happens in August up to August until they
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: blow the whistle and it's kick off week one.
• 51:23
  Speaker 8: This cam feels a little bit like twenty one to me,
• 51:26
  Speaker 8: Like they've had this free agency class that they brought
• 51:29
  Speaker 8: in that has some guys that you feel like are
• 51:31
  Speaker 8: veteran players that are proven commodities in the league, and
• 51:34
  Speaker 8: you're not filling holes with guys that are really not
• 51:37
  Speaker 8: meant to be in those roles, Like Millan Williams is
• 51:40
  Speaker 8: a starting defensive lineman, Morgan Moses is starting tackle in
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: the NFL. But we know what free agency is, we
• 51:47
  Speaker 8: know that that's not really where the top end talent is.
• 51:49
  Speaker 8: So the difference is is you hope that Drake May
• 51:53
  Speaker 8: is better than Mac Jones and you hope that Will
• 51:55
  Speaker 8: Campbell is better than some of the guys that they
• 51:57
  Speaker 8: drafted in that timeframe. But I feel like what I'm
• 52:01
  Speaker 8: watching feels similar to that, where it's like, Okay, they're
• 52:05
  Speaker 8: going to be competent, and that your competent men ten
• 52:07
  Speaker 8: wins in the playoff Berth. I don't know where it's
• 52:09
  Speaker 8: going to get them this year, but we'll see. I
• 52:12
  Speaker 8: think offensively, you want to see them be able to
• 52:14
  Speaker 8: be multiple, Like can they do everything at their disposal
• 52:18
  Speaker 8: to move the football? When you're one dimensional, if you
• 52:21
  Speaker 8: can't run the ball, you can't pass, block, you can't run, block,
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: you can't throw.
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: You make it easier to defend.
• 52:28
  Speaker 8: So if they can, that would be my sequence at
• 52:29
  Speaker 8: all together, then they can smart.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: The way even't just put that I think is perfect,
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: and I would want to make sure that they do
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: not have to do a lot of really different things
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: to scheme around pass protection, scheme around the tackles, because
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: I think that's a hard I mean, you can do it,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: and I know Josh can get away from a little.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Josh will be better at it than Alexander. But I
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: think you're very limited if you can only do it
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: one way, you know, and then you know, in other words,
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: you have to glue. Somebody will campbell every time you
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: face a speed rusher like that's not ideal.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: So in the past, you know, no matter what it
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: looked like, we had faith in Belichick that he'll figure
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: it out. That faith started to erode, I think really
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: in the Patricia year where he named him offensive coordinator
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: and it didn't look good and it wasn't good. Like
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: even I was saying, oh, it'll be fine. You know,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: it's Belichick, he knows what he's doing. Patricia was used
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: to be a head coach. He knows football. It'll be fun.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: It wasn't.
• 53:28
  Speaker 18: It was.
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: It was terrible.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: And then every and then the next year was even
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: when you had Bill O'Brien.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: It just still didn't look good.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: You were thinking, Okay, we'll get out of August and
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien's a good offensive coordinator, he'll make it fine.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: It still wasn't good, and there wasn't any indications in
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: the summer that it would be. We just had faith
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: in Bill O'Brien. But that didn't work either. And so
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: I'm a little bit, you know, still traumatized by that. Now.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I do believe in Mike Rabel. I think he is
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: a good coach, and like you said, it does seem
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: like they're buttoned up and he is stressing the fundamentals
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: and situation will play and taking care of taking advantage
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: of bad football.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: So you hope that that's true.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: But we got to see it now like where you know,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: where where a fan base that's been kind of, like
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: I said, traumatized over the last few.
• 54:21
  Speaker 8: There's a couple of things and like that to that
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: point about like buttoning things up, like Tyrus Tonga just
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: comes unblocked through the a gap today and and sacks
• 54:29
  Speaker 8: drink may and like under a second, like you can't
• 54:32
  Speaker 8: have that like that, you can't have that.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: So like, oh, yesterday it was speline came.
• 54:37
  Speaker 8: Unbelowing, right, but like that's at least a blitz from
• 54:40
  Speaker 8: the second level, Right, you can't have the nose tackle
• 54:42
  Speaker 8: standing right over the center going what happened? You know,
• 54:45
  Speaker 8: Like so that's that's unacceptable.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: And we saw that like I don't know if it
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: was last year, last year when you'd have linemen just
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: like in space, like who am I blocking?
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: So, like the communication was terrible?
• 54:56
  Speaker 8: Does Raybell take that next step of like being like no,
• 55:00
  Speaker 8: like where that is? You know, this is where the
• 55:03
  Speaker 8: s that gets you beat? Yeah, right, Like that's in
• 55:05
  Speaker 8: that category, not part of that gets you beat, you know,
• 55:09
  Speaker 8: the snaps like they had they've had three aborted snaps
• 55:13
  Speaker 8: at this point through six practices. Like they got to
• 55:15
  Speaker 8: clean that up. That goes in that bucket too, yep.
• 55:18
  Speaker 8: And if that stops, like by next week, if all
• 55:20
  Speaker 8: that kind of stuff stops because they clean it up,
• 55:23
  Speaker 8: then I feel like I'm going to be feeling pretty
• 55:25
  Speaker 8: good about where they're going. But the one thing that
• 55:28
  Speaker 8: has to be optimistic about the offense is I think
• 55:30
  Speaker 8: that they're going to be able to run block. And
• 55:32
  Speaker 8: if they can run block, then you can scheme stuff
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: off the run game, you get play action involved, you
• 55:37
  Speaker 8: move the pocket like you do, different things like that
• 55:40
  Speaker 8: that are around the run game that aren't necessarily about
• 55:43
  Speaker 8: volume of run game. But if they can truly run
• 55:45
  Speaker 8: block like that, then you can be optimistic about that's
• 55:49
  Speaker 8: a foundation of an offense. That's like an identity of
• 55:51
  Speaker 8: an offense, and hopefully that continues in that direction. But
• 55:56
  Speaker 8: can't have Kiros Tong. He's three hundred and forty pounds. Like,
• 55:58
  Speaker 8: no one put a hat on that guy, Like.
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: It's kind of hard to miss.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, come on, Javon's in New York? What's up? Javaon?
• 56:08
  Speaker 11: Hey?
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: Javaon?
• 56:10
  Speaker 11: No?
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: Okay? How about Dan and Vermont? Hey Dan?
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Dan?
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's how you.
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: If Patty doesn't come through, it's time to push away
• 56:23
  Speaker 6: from the table.
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: Patty's an agawam? What's up? Patty?
• 56:27
  Speaker 14: Guys?
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: Are you okay?
• 56:30
  Speaker 13: Cann Senior day, Just a question on the right tackle position.
• 56:38
  Speaker 19: Has Mark Marcus Bryant and John Jack Connelly haven't taken
• 56:41
  Speaker 19: any reps at right tackle? And these tup added practices?
• 56:45
  Speaker 19: Because I don't know about you, guys, but demonstra Jacob
• 56:48
  Speaker 19: Scar's the hell out of me if he has to
• 56:49
  Speaker 19: play any extended time.
• 56:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a little bit, but not not in any
• 56:55
  Speaker 8: meaningful eleven on eleven work. Conley has played some tackle
• 57:00
  Speaker 8: both sides, like with the threes and like that stuff
• 57:03
  Speaker 8: like that, like opportunity reps for those guys. But yeah,
• 57:06
  Speaker 8: I mean right now, like having a I'm gonna give
• 57:09
  Speaker 8: Morgan Moses the benefit of the doubt for now, Like
• 57:12
  Speaker 8: he's a twelve year veteran in it's training camp and
• 57:14
  Speaker 8: like a lot of guys don't even show up to
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: training camp this time of year anymore in his shoes.
• 57:19
  Speaker 8: So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But
• 57:21
  Speaker 8: is he gonna be there for seventeen games is a
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: real question. And if it is, Demontre Jacobs is his
• 57:27
  Speaker 8: top backup or Caden Wallace kicks back outside or whatever
• 57:30
  Speaker 8: the case may be, Like they have to figure out
• 57:33
  Speaker 8: they need to have a functional backup right tackle because
• 57:35
  Speaker 8: I don't know if Morgan Moses is gonna be there
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: for you know, the entire season, Like he's probably gonna
• 57:40
  Speaker 8: have some bumps in the road.
• 57:42
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: Sean's in Virginia.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Hey Sean, Okay, I mean you talk.
• 57:53
  Speaker 20: About this as far as like the death of the
• 57:54
  Speaker 20: team like that, you know whatever. I guess people to
• 57:58
  Speaker 20: be perfect, you know, because I don't really see the
• 58:02
  Speaker 20: talking being appropriate. At least graft I can think about
• 58:04
  Speaker 20: this that we all can really agree of funds, it's
• 58:08
  Speaker 20: really uh that this team actually does have guys and
• 58:11
  Speaker 20: talking different teams. I mean, that's what we have said
• 58:15
  Speaker 20: in the past. So obviously that you can compete against
• 58:20
  Speaker 20: the best of the best, because I guess songs kind
• 58:23
  Speaker 20: of a players, so they didn't have the best.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, is there a question there or no?
• 58:33
  Speaker 20: No, not necessarily just talking about the team as far
• 58:37
  Speaker 20: as everybody to be perfect and you know, in not
• 58:40
  Speaker 20: different ways. But yeah, even even the contenders that we
• 58:43
  Speaker 20: named don't have that.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's it's it's never perfect. It's never perfect.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: But I think you know, thanks Sean. You know, we're
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: kind of doing.
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: What the coaches do.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: We're we're really getting into the weeds and analyzing, you know,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: almost every play, who had a good one, who didn't
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: have a good one? You know, on a play that
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: the defense wins, you know, somebody in the offense. You
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: could say somebody in the offense didn't do their jobs,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: or you can look at it the other way. Somebody
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: on the defense did a really good job, but you
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: have to do that. That's what practice is all about.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: They go after the each practice, they go and they
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: look at each you know, play and they break it
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: down and then they present it back to the players
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: and you know, they call out who had who did what,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: and that's how you get better. So no, it's it's
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: not perfect. It's just impossible to be perfect. And I
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: don't think that's the expectation here, you know.
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: I think it's about figuring out.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: But if you have three botch snaps, those are three
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: botch snaps. Those are those are clear mistakes. You have
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: to call those out.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: A couple of those were like, you know, to go
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: back to Evans's point, you know, the bleep that gets
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: you beat.
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: A couple of them were in the red zone.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: So that's potentially taking points off the boards at least four,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: but maybe even seven. You know, if you're losing the possession,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: that's the stuff you can't overcome.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: You can't. You got to It's not a stride for perfection.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know all coaches want to strive for
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: perfection knowing that they can't achieve it. But We're not
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: like nitpicking things. These are major, major problems that need
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: to get cleaned up. You know that we're you know,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: the things that we're talking about specifically are issues that
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: last year were problems all summer and they carried over
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: into the station.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: And at the same time, you know, you want to
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: focus on the center position, you know, the three bunch snaps,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: but we're also saying that Jared Wilson is a bright
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: spot at center, like he could be a guy pushing
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: for a job either there or at left Guard. You know,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: even with those and I don't think I think he
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: only had one of the bunch snaps a little.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 7: Paul, Well, we're in disagreement.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's another one that I'm positive, Paul,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: I think two of them are on Bradbury.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, But regardless whether it's you know, Wilson or Bradbury,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: you know, if it's Wilson, we think that that's a
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: positive so far.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: He's a guy pushing, pushing, a veteran for a starting
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: job right now.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a I just love how Rabel Bricks broke
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 8: it down, the good, the bad, and the stuff that
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 8: gets you believe the beat because it's just like that's
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 8: so perfect, Like that's exactly what it is. And like
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 8: some of the throws that like to the caller's point,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 8: it has to be perfect, Like some of the throws
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 8: we were talking about earlier that Drake missed today.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 7: That's just the bad. That's not the stuff that gets
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 7: you beat.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Right now.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 8: The stuff that gets you beat is letting Kiro's tongue
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 8: come through the a gap unblocked. That gets you beat.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 8: The box snaps get you beat. There actually haven't been
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 8: a ton of turnovers. They haven't thrown a ton of picks.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: I think there's only been two picks the whole camp,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: which is all the quarterbacks, So.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: That's just straight. I don't think Drake's thrown any.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: He hasn't thrown any yet.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 8: Now he's had a couple dropped, but he you know,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 8: he hasn't thrown any had some turnover worthy plays. But
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 8: that's the stuff that gets you beat. The stuff that
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 8: we're talking about is kind of you know, some of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 8: the throws and that's nipicking. Like already kind of had
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 8: Hunter Henry there and he sailed it a little bit
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: and it was like that that's the bad, and like
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 8: I'm that stuff's not going to lose you games necessarily
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 8: like the other stuff will. So that's not perfect, right,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 8: Like that's by definition.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, even without the expanding beyond the context of a
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: game and getting beat. It's you know, what issues are
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: they are we seeing in camp that are going to
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: be problems into the season, and what issues which I
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: would think, like the snap are things that are camp
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: clean up stuff like that shouldn't be an issue.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: If that's an issue, you got major problems.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: But you know, some of this stuff, I think with
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: the just overall depth and the performance level in important positions,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: that's the stuff that you're really trying to identify and
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: lock down and figure out what the answers are going
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: to be, because you know, I still think like not
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: that west Schweitzer was the answer, but I think, you know,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: to have another veteran guard to maybe it played some
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: games at this point, looks like that might be nice
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: to have.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: Maybe that's something they're on the lookout for.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I have.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 8: I don't think that col Strange has been terrible.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: I think he's I think he's been pretty good.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 7: Passable grade for him.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: Like, so I would say, like if it's him and
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 8: Jared Wilson or Bradbury at center, Like I would still
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 8: put Jared Wilson at left guard.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: That's just me.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 8: But maybe that's just because I can't get over the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: whole having a twenty two year old rookie at center
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 8: like that just worries me. But in general, I think
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 8: that Cole Strange has been okay. So maybe that is
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 8: that's your interiors. It's strange Wilson.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: You know they did it with David Andrews. He was fine.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but David Andrews was like a four or five
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 8: year starter at Georgia. Like we were talking about a
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 8: twenty two year old kid who started twelve games at Georgia,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 8: and so like it's just a lot. It's a lot
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 8: to put on him. And you already have a second
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 8: year quarterback and there's a lot on his plate. And
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 8: so it's just you have a very young battery. Like
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 8: those two guys are very young together. But it doesn't
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 8: mean they can't do it.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: Just some of the He's my favorite personality guys personality
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: rookie just listening to he just seems like really well spoken,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: thought out, you know, has his head on his shoulders,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: has a good perspective, on things.
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  Speaker 10: I like him.
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  Speaker 22: You were a rookie with the Pittsburgh Steelers. I believe
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  Speaker 22: in your first padded practice, you might have gotten into
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  Speaker 22: a fight. Should I assume that you don't want your
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  Speaker 22: rookies doing that.
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  Speaker 23: I don't want any of us doing that.
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  Speaker 1: It's a long time ago, Karen.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, can you give a little details?
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  Speaker 11: No?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you a follow up. Have the players been told
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  Speaker 1: that they can't do it? Of course, I mean we don't.
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  Speaker 23: I mean we want to be able to practice the
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  Speaker 23: same way we have to.
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  Speaker 1: Play, which is physical and within the rules.
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  Speaker 23: And I have a great play demeanor, finished through the
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 23: whistle and all those things. And you know if you
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 23: throw a punch or you get kicked out of the game,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 23: which is going to cross the team. So I don't
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 23: anticipate any of that. I want us to celebrate with
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 23: our team, and the defensive unit celebrate with each other.
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  Speaker 23: Offensive unit, get excited and celebrate with each other. Now
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 23: get into the taunting and the things that we would
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 23: you know that we can't.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Have during the game.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 22: Did you at least win?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 23: I think I did. It's a good story about don't
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 23: use the fight. But the about a veteran player, Greg
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 23: Lloyd was a very dominant player, imposing figure, and I
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 23: got drafted in April and he didn't say a word
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 23: to me through OTAs and I'm on the defense, mind you,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 23: And so I didn't say a word to me.
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  Speaker 1: The entire offseason. We go to training camp.
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  Speaker 23: You know, there was a fight with me and a
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 23: tight end and I'm exhausted after practice and I see
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 23: this like shadow coming over me as I'm sitting in
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  Speaker 23: the locker room and he's like in his deep voice
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  Speaker 23: and he's like, yeah, the next time, you want to
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  Speaker 23: come up underneath the face mask.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, you just now are going to
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  Speaker 1: talk to me.
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  Speaker 23: He's like, yeah, I just wanted to make sure you
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 23: weren't like a punk, and then I would talk to you.
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  Speaker 23: So it's a good example of just a veteran making
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 23: sure that, you know, rookies kind of earned their stripes,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 23: I guess a little bit.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: But with the foundation filled, the cancer far to get
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: to the point of yeah, I think.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 23: So you know this will be you know, truthfold will
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 23: be down in the red zone. We'll be getting a
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 23: lot of work in the red zone. Things happen a
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 23: lot quicker down there, Uh, tighter windows, just the speed
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 23: of everything.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: That could just gets sped up.
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  Speaker 23: And so that'll be good for us to move on
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 23: to that situation as well as to see how we
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 23: you know, start to practice and pads and our pad level,
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  Speaker 23: our fundamentals, our hands and those types of things.
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  Speaker 18: Mike, as you share that story and talk about the
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 18: guy not talking to you for a couple of months
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 18: while you're together, do you feel like it's different in
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 18: the NFLER with this specific team now.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: I just think that.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 23: That was a Greg That was a Greg Lloyd type
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 23: of thing. I think that's that was certainly his personality.
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  Speaker 23: I think that there's you know, you're always trying to,
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  Speaker 23: you know, prove yourself to your teammates, especially as a
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 23: young player, and Greg probably took it a little to extreme.
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  Speaker 19: After all these OTAs in the first four days without pad.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 8: Your your excitement level today maybe on a scale from
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 8: one to ten.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 23: I just think coming off of a day off, I
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 23: think this is just another step and in our program.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 23: So I try to come out here with the same
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 23: excitement and give him everything I got and and help them.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 23: So this is just another important step throughout the process
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 23: of preparation. Go ahead, don't you.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 22: What's it been like coming Torell Williams back out there
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 22: with the team defense him?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, he has an energy to him.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 23: There's there's you know the players are you know, they
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 23: respond well to him. And when he you know, he
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 23: has his clips that he shows them and the things
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 23: that he thinks are important as a coordinator. You know,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 23: I think that they're believing in what we want to
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 23: do in our style of play, and so just keep
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 23: moving ahead. And but it's it's great to have him back,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 23: just his personality and demeanor.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 24: Mike, if you were in our shoes, what would you think,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 24: you'd say? You know, you guys should really watch this.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 24: You've been doing this for a long time, you know how.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 23: I mean if I was the part of the media, Yeah,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 23: if you would, like say, you don't think there's ever
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 23: a scenario where that would happen.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 24: Oh, that's absolutely a matter of time. He already did
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 24: stuff with Felga fifteen years ago.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 23: As soon as I'm done with this, I'm gonna be
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 23: in the witness protection point and you want you will
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 23: never find me, all.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, if you decid you would help us.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 23: I mean I just think that how maybe some of
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 23: these uh you know, to me, it's it's it's critical
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 23: at a lot of scrimmage, right just being able to
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 23: make contact, there's going to be a stealmate. There's two
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 23: professional players lined up across from each other. Who can
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 23: re engage, who can reset their feet, maybe get a
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 23: little extra movement. You know, how do we play? Do
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 23: we stand our feet? Can we practice like this and
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 23: stand our feet? We've got a bunch of guys falling
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 23: on the ground. I'd rather not see that. I just
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 23: don't think that that good teams end up practicing that way.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 23: And again, just the urgency in which we move around
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 23: practice that there's we're in and out of the huddle,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 23: the players are running on and off the field. Those
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 23: are all things that I think are critical. I think
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 23: that translate to the field to the game.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Excuse me right where you know?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 23: You don't you're not standing ten yards behind the ball,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 23: You're you're coming from the sideline, and we're communicating the
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 23: personnel and the quarterback has to echo that. Those are
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 23: the types of things right now that we're trying to.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Build, like us to be having a pretty strong camp.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 10: So what have you seen from him?
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: What have you learned about him with this offseason? Right?
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 23: Great energy, great demeanor, very cochle one of our off
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 23: season Award winners, So we obviously worked extremely hard. Was
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 23: what was here every day, ready to learn, ready to
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 23: earn a role. And I love being around pop. He's
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 23: got a great, great energy and it's got a lot
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 23: of respect from everybody around here.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: It's some one on one that passors result a little
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: bit the other day.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 14: How much of that period is for experimentation with new
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 14: moves or techniques versus the evaluation where guys are really
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 14: obviously trying to win every rep.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 23: Watch it a little bit. I do think that that's
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 23: probably a great question. One of the players I coached
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 23: in Houston, Whitney Merciless. You know, we went through some
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 23: developmental things with him. He was a very talented player.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 23: The one thing I always respected about Whitney was his
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 23: willingness to try new moves during practice and you know, some.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: Of them wouldn't work.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 23: Some of them he needed to see at full speed
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 23: for him to say, you know, that's not something that
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 23: I'm going to commit a lot of time to. And
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 23: then others that you worked and that he would commit
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 23: time to. So that's exactly why you do practice, is
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 23: so that you can, you know, sometimes figure out what
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 23: doesn't work and you can eliminate some things and you
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 23: can move on.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Especially as a pass rusher.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 23: Right, you're trying to have a couple of different pitches,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 23: not too many, but I certainly need some a fastball
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 23: and some off speed pitches and some counters. So this
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 23: is why we practice, is to be able to go
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 23: out there and do that.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: And I understand you know a lot of those things.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 23: And you know when you get to the team periods
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 23: and you get to the games and you can see
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 23: how guys pass rush. But you know, I think that's
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 23: obviously a good thing. The offensive linemen are going to
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 23: work on different techniques and things like that, so they're
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 23: not doing the same thing every single snap.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 9: And now great moments in history.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 6: Are you going for a barbecue?
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I know I'm not a big barbecue guy.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: That's wrong with really.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: Now I probably go across the street to like Del
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: Frisco's or something.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: Just bring back the memory.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: I hate supuper Bowl week super Bowl which you hate?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: There three times did expensed everyone's rubber pick?
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 9: One of the one of them was picked up? What
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 9: was the what was the go to? Different things?
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 7: Different things each time? Are the same thing three times?
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: With you might have had.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Different things, ye, keyboard a steak, but the rabbi than
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: the filet i had.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: Different things, different different parts of the animal.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: But it's literally across the street, so yeah, right there.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: And there's a great breakfast joint on that street too.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, your breakfast.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: Yes, if I ever travel scout, I'm in with you
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: any break right.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: It's called Desserts House of Pie, that's what it's called.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: Like, yes, definitely.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 23: That's another great moment from.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: Straight off the practice field.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 9: Is kiris tanga kius.
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  Speaker 4: How you doing?
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 9: I'm doing well? How you doing? I'm Fred Kersh. This
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  Speaker 9: is Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 2: This is the team's podcast, flagship podcast Current and I'll
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: have you know this is the world's longest running podcast
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: in the world.
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  Speaker 4: Really yeah, and.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 9: I'm not kidding, that's true.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Part Frank started it, really yeah, back in two thousands.
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  Speaker 6: He's a little he's a little older than me.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah, a little bit, just a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: So, how the thing's going for you?
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 9: It's going well, everything's going well, yes, sir, Sorry, that's
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 9: all right. Good things are going good, sir.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: All right, So you've been around a couple of different teams,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: any differences on how teams do things in training camp
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: or you know, is it pretty much the same?
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 9: You know, every team is usually kind of the same.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 25: They have they have their own little flavors to how
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 25: they like their schedules. But but here, yeah, it's been
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 25: very well, you know, being because variable and how he
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 25: runs it. He's so I mean he's been in the
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 25: league and he's been a player in this league, so
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 25: he understands kind of the how the body works for
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 25: players on these long camp days.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 9: So it's so.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 25: Cool to see him tweak schedules and kind of fit
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 25: into our so that we can get the best out
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 25: of and the most out of everything that we do.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 9: So it's been it's been very cool.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's interesting. Was there a little bit of
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: a tweak today?
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: Because it did seem yesterday you guys were very active
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: bouncing around. Today it did seem to be a little
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: bit of a lower pace. Was that a tweak to
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: the schedule?
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 25: Yeah, I think just him knowing like, okay, we got
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 25: full pads and making sure our legers are good and
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 25: the days we got to run long, he's gonna make
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 25: sure we're good before the days we got the short
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 25: yard is stuff, make sure that we're using that full
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 25: maximum effort in those short yardis. So he does a
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 25: very good job of taking care of us.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he comes off as a tough guy
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: and all that, and he was I mean I was
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: here when he was playing.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: He was a tough guy and he is a tough guy.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: But he does have that care for the players, like
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: there's no sense in beating everybody up in the first
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: last week of July. You know, so like I I,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: you know, I would think players appreciate that exactly, Yes, sir,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: we do.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah, we definitely.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: And it was hot out there today, Yeah, it's going
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: to be hot out there tomorrow.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: So defensively, you're one of them. A lot of new
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: faces and a new scheme for New England. I know,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: your first year here anyway, So just curious to your
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: thoughts about how those pieces are coming together, your initial thoughts.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: You're about a weekend to training camp now, just how
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: that front seven specifically is coming together.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 25: Yeah, we're stacking these days kind of like our coach,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 25: he really harps on just being able to go out
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 25: and just be consistent and how we are.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 9: Some days are gonna be bad.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 25: We're gonna have some bad plays and some days are
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 25: gonna be very very well. However, that list we just
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 25: got continued to stack, and I think for our front
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 25: seven that's kind of been the theme, just continuing to work,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 25: feed off each other, learn from one another, and it's
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 25: been it's been working very well so far.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you guys did a little bit of red
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: zone today, but even though you're in full path, there's
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: still not like one hundred percent.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: Going to the ground yet and all that stuff.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 25: Yeah, that's the only thing we're not doing. Everything else
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 25: to that point is full speed one hundred percent. We're
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 25: just not throwing guys on the ground so we can
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 25: get take care of each other.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: Right, So, as a space heater up front, like, is
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: there a point in practice or in training camps in
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: the past where you get to, Okay, this is now,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: I can do what I do, you know, Like I'm
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: goal line for example.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 25: I love goal line just just being that mentality of
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 25: they got to gain one yard and you being the
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 25: person that they got to move. It brings it brings
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 25: out a chip and some of them, like like me
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 25: and those d linemen, But I think just anywhere on
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 25: the field really if it's third down, second down, goal line,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 25: just being able to go out and just do your
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 25: job is very exciting.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: So you have you know, Milton Williams and Christian Barmore,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: and they're a little bit of a different sort.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 9: Of body type than you.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: They're a little bit you know, smaller and more penetrating,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: you know, past rushing. You are more of a space
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: seeding run stopper, right and that, yeah, sir, that be accurate.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: So I'm just how does that dynamic work with you guys?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: How well do you think you guys complimentary each other.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 9: I think it works very well. We get to feed
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 9: off one another.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 25: I think, just like you said, the get offs, Moon
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 25: william is really good at doing that, and I think
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 25: being able to show the room that's possible and and
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 25: even if your nose, you can still get off in
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 25: this league. And so just having that confidence and teammates
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 25: like Million just helping you out that makes it so
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 25: much easier. And then with bar More, he's just a freak,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 25: so he's he's such an athletic free that he can
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 25: play the position inside and out, and just seeing that
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 25: the same things, just learning from him and being able
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 25: to feed off one another.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 9: It's been. It's been amazing.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: Now, when Christian gets really excited and starts talking really fast,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: do you have any idea what he's saying?
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, Sometimes you just gotta let him talk.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's transcribe.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 25: Anytimes he just he talking. He gonna talk And I
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 25: love that about being more man.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 9: He's amazing.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: So how do you what do you think of New England?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: What have you know, how do you like living here
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: so far?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 9: You know, New England has been cool.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 25: It's been such a different vibe from the West Coast,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 25: but you know, I love it out here. Scenery wise, beautiful,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 25: team wise, it's been very welcoming from players standpoint, and
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 25: the coach has been very cool and in the in
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 25: the fans have been very welcoming and very nice. So
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 25: it's been, it's been. It's been good.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: Now you've been settled in you you mentioned because I
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: was listening to your talk out there.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 6: Have you gotten your family here too?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Or four year old?
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah? I got a yeah, four year old.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 25: Now during the camps it's kind of hard because it's
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 25: so far and you know, yeah, yeah, So I usually
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 25: try to bring them out during the season, same as
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 25: my siblings and my parents. They try to come out
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 25: during the season, so during camp time, it's just we're
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 25: locked in and no family around, so it kind of makes.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 9: It a little easy.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 6: And you also were one of the off season award winners.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 6: I saw this moting you know what what went into that?
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: And you know, does that I assume that's a point
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: of pride for you.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 25: Yeah, you know it's Ah, it was pretty cool. I
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 25: was shocked only because everybody was working and literally anybody
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 25: could have gotten that word like this OTAs was. Everybody
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 25: was just go, go, go, and we were feeding off
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 25: each other, so and that and just coming into camp
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 25: the same mentality and nothing's changed, Like it's been cool.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 25: But everybody's working. You see it on the field, so
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 25: it's it's been pretty Uh it was good though.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: You must have had the neatest locker or something like that.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: You must have done something.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 6: There were only four guys, just one of them.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: You must have done something.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 9: Man, it was just working. It's just working.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: As fans, we love to hear that, and uh, we
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: love seeing seeing you here.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you coming by and all you got stuff to do,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: get showered up and get some food in you and
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: get ready for the meetings this afternoon.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 9: So I appreciate you guys for having me. Thank you, Yeah,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 9: thanks so much. I appreciate it.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: All right, Kyrius Tanga, we'll be right back after this.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: All right, we're back here on Patriots Nfit Altered. That
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: was Paul and myself's interview with Kiris Tanga. Real nice guy,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: as you could see, it's real nice.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: I listen to him a little bit outside as well.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: And the big man in the middle. Yep, he's going
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: to be a big part of that.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, sneaky player, I think, Yeah, I think he's kind
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 8: of one of one. Yeah, exactly what I was about
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 8: to say.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 7: He's the only guy on the team that does what
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 7: he does.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I kind of.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to necessarily throw any of his teammates
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: under the bus when I asked him that question, but
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: that's kind of what I was talking about, Like, you know,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: Milton Williams and Barmore different kinds of players, even though
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: you guys all played the same position. And he was like, yeah, no, no,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: you're right, you're right, And I was like, you have
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: more of a run stuffing space eater, And I didn't
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: want to say you don't really have any breed and well, no,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to say, you don't really have anybody
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: else like that, right, because they kind of got rid
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: of most of the bigger defensive lineman.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 6: They have a lot of athletic defensive.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: Tackles they got.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: I don't want to put words in him one, but
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: this is kind of how you would prefer it. Like,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: you know, you're a big fan of you know, paint
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: Devon Godshaw, who is like a high priced tongue.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 7: I want to stop their on on the way to
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 7: the quarterback.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: I yeah, I mean, I just feel like if the
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: other team wants to try to beat you running the ball,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: I think it in general will work to the Patriots'
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: favor because I think it'll keep the score down and
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: you don't have an offense that's necessarily conducive right now
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: to getting in thirty five point shootouts. Yeah, so I
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: think if team wants to run the ball and they
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: give because I do think that they have a chance
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: to be a little bit leaky against the run. So
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: they're smaller front seven, you know.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: With him, like I think he was a seventh round
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: draft pick or something like that, and he started playing
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: special teams and things like that. But over the court,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: Like I think last year was the most games he's
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: played in, so that's kind of a good thing. Like
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: he's been on a lot of teams, but like he
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: got more playing time recently than early in his career.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: Like he's built toward that. So maybe maybe he could
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: be a sneaky contributor to the defense.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: Who knows.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think unfortunately for him, like he said, dying
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 8: breed like that.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: Oh no, but there will be times where you know,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: situation or don't.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: I don't talk about every play situationally where we've got
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: to make this stop. It's you know, third inches or
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: around the goal or whatever, and they put him in.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 8: Yep, it just doesn't you know what I Mormant was like,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 8: that's not a very sought after commodity in today's NFL.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 8: So you're not seeing a lot of nose tackles drafted
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 8: high anymore. Like Vince Wilfork is a first round pick,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 8: Like you'd have to be that dominant probably to get
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 8: drafted in the top.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 7: Fifty these days.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Like it's just not a position that lends itself
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 8: to that. But situationally, whether it's just end of game,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 8: four minute offense. They're trying to close out the game.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 8: You're trying to get a stop. They you know, they're
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 8: going to run the ball goal line, third down, fourth down,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 8: Like those are spots where I could see Milton Williams
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 8: coming off the field maybe for a Cairis Tongo or
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 8: you know someone like that.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: That's well, that's where I was just about to go
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: av was who is the someone like that? That's what
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: I'm curious about. You know, Tong is gonna have a
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: real you know, Williams and Barber will have big roles.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: But I think what we're seeing a little bit of
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: is Jeremiah Farms maybe or could you know Farmer the
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: draft pick, Josh Farmer from Florida State.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 7: I haven't seen much from him just yet.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 5: It still seems like today Jeremiah Farms is the guy,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 5: the next guy up with that group.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 7: So we'll see how that continues to progress.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: Podcasts at Patriots dot Com is the way to email us.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: Linda from Georgia right Sid made it to camp today
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: to see everything in person and form some opinions what's
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: going to be the twenty five pat season. Also got
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: to meet Evan before practice. As a bonus, Jerry took
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: a selfie. Nice her husband.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 7: We're here and they're both fans of the show. I
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 7: think he's an ex husband.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 23: Now, Evan.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: Oh after that.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 7: Oh so I'm also.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: Now to football. I thought the rotation for offensive side
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: was notable. O line, left, guard and center. Changes That
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: look like they're going for the best combo. This is
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: the time of year to do that, and it helps
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: find the next man up should injuries happen, as they might.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Wide receiver lots of changes with each formation too, with
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: multiple lineups to block or be a decoy for the defense.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: Running back.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: Good to see them securing the ball with two hands
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: on almost every possession. Good sign for the group tight end.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: Great to see Hooper in the mix again. What do
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: you say anything I missed for these positions? Tomorrow I'll
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: be looking for a defense from the stands and get
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: my opinion formed there.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: So there you go.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 5: That's all good stuff. I mean, that's, you know, kind
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: of what we're telling you. But if you need further confirmation,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: that's that's.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 7: How it goes in camp. It's you know, it's hard.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 5: You don't want to overreact every time you see this
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: is a bad example. But Fton Chisholm all of a
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: sudden is out for a rep. You know, you don't
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: want to, oh my god, it's happening, But you see
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: a few days a guy starts to like Jerry Wilson.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 7: You know, you start to see.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: Him expanding his role a little bit more. You start
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: to track those things. That's what it really I've been
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: watching and some of these injuries that have offered opportunities
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: for other guys. That's what makes it interesting to me,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: is I look at my NERD depth chart and start
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: to put together, you know, how to they see the team?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: Who's the next guy up? You know, at this position?
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: How would they you know if right tackle went out
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: or if Trey jcobs? How would you know those questions?
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: How would they affect the inevitable kind of juggling you
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: always end up doing a rosters.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: Colleen from Houston says about the box snaps, it seems
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: like the common denominator is Drake. Has Dobbs received a
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: box snap? Could it be Drake who's messing up the
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: snap and not the center? Yes, that was the thing
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: last year too, regardless of the center.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yep, I definitely think that that's there's a chance
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 8: of that and it just goes back. I mean, he
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 8: did more last year. But like these college quarterbacks are
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 8: not under center. They don't take snaps from under center
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 8: in the college game anymore. Everybody runs spread, everybody runs gun.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 8: Like the amount of times, like some of these teams
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 8: are so anti under center they kneel from the shotgun
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 8: like they had it's a shotgun snap into a quarterback
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 8: neal at the end of the game. That's how allergic
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 8: these teams are to going under center. So Drake May,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 8: you could probably count on two hands the amount of
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 8: times that he was under center at North Carolina. It
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 8: just doesn't happen. So for a lot of these young quarterbacks,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 8: it's an adjustment. But the other question that I've always
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 8: had with it is do they eventually just adjust to
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 8: him right, Like, Okay, if you're really not comfortable doing this,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 8: maybe we go to the pistol, maybe we go more
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 8: shotgun heavy offense, and we build it around the fact
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 8: that you're not necessarily comfortable being an under center quarterback.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 8: Because they're teams that have done that too, you know,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 8: Philadelphia with Jalen Hurts, Like the only times that the
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 8: eagles are under center at the touch push.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's it.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: So Colleen could be onto something there one of those
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: box snaps. I did notice it was up here, so
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know what, Like, how do you go from
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: under center and it ends up up on your shoulder?
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: But it could be like you just mishandled it and
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: it flew up over his shoulder.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there were there were some low snaps and shotgun too.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: I think part of the appeal to me, though, of
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: Jared Wilson is Drake, get your hands on up under
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: his butt, get used to it. The next ten years
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: that you guys are going to be a married couple
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: like this are going to grow together. If they could
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: somehow get on the same page with that stuff, that'd
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: be you know, part of the appeal to me of
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: having a young center that he can grow with and
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: can get used to having his.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 7: Hands up there. I mean ideally he gets.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: The way talks about it. It's a little dirty, yeah,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: having his hands up here, up there.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you would like to be able to go under center?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I imagine John the action.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 8: Advantages are palpable or statistically proven, like you'd want to
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 8: be able to do that at at least like a
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 8: twenty five to thirty percent clip.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: Can't imagine Josh would say that our playbook will be
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: really limited if we're unable to do that.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: Why do you think it does?
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: Why do you think the stats do bear that out?
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: Is it because it gives an advantage to the runner
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: to be able to get a good look at things
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: before he takes off, or like, why is.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 7: It they're coming?
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 8: Well, I think the main reason is the running backs
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 8: coming from deeper in the backfield, so he has a
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 8: run up to the line of scrimmage, whereas when he's
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 8: in the shot gun, he's starting from a stagnant stance,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 8: so he's not I.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: Used to get made fun of when I talked about that,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: When I said that he's starting from a dead start.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: Paul would make fun of me.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 6: A dead start, yes, I did.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the same thing as stagnant, dead start, stagnant
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: or a dead stop.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 6: What do you think?
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 7: Oh, this not so much.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 6: Argument, which you think it was?
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: I didn't know, Like, I get what Fred's saying, that's right, right,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: but no dead start.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: It was one of those just kind of was a
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: funny phrase and me and Andy took notice of it,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: and you know, you don't think it.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: Was anything relevant.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 8: Behind the quarterback under center's eight yards in the backfield.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 8: So now Remandre has eight yards of a running start
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 8: into the line of scrimmage, so he's moving a lot
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 8: faster at the point of attack.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: But if you're at shotgun, now the quarterback is five
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: or six yards back and he hands it to the
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: running back, you're still.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 8: But the running back doesn't have our head start like
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 8: the running back, and under center is running before he
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 8: even has the ball.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: Oh, so he's running to the quarterback.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 8: Correct, because they're going to meet up the junk kings.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 8: But the other thing that's really big is play action
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 8: because when you're under center, you turn around and you
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 8: turn your back to the defense and you can hide
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 8: the ball, whereas if you're in the shotgun, the defense
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 8: can see the football.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 8: So that's why RPOs became a thing. Not to go
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 8: down the whole rabbit hole, but that's so RPOs became
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 8: a thing because it teams that were gun heavy, like
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 8: in college, they had to find a way to be
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 8: more effective with play action from the gun because they
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 8: couldn't do it like you do it from me.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: What about the fact that on the shotgun the ball
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: gets to the running back faster.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean that could I guess you could say
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 8: that's an advantage in the other direction. But I think
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 8: most of the time the advantages of being under center,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 8: oh weigh that, Okay, I would say, all right, especially
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 8: just from like a running back perspective.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: And to your point, Fred, like I can tell you
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: pushing back, which I like. Obviously, the things that are
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: an advantage of being under center are not necessarily viewed
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: as outweighing the benefits of the vast majority of teams
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: are gun more often than.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 6: Not, right, or at least a high percentage.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, So if it was such a big advantage, I
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: think more teams would say, no, we have to do
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: this right.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 8: You know, it's a big advantage for the run game.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 8: In play action, if you want to be like a
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 8: traditional play action team. Now, a lot of offenses nowadays
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 8: run the pistol, which is the perfect medium. It's right
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 8: in the middle because you still have the back behind
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 8: the quarterback, and you can still turn and hide the
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 8: ball when you turn in the pistol.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: So the pistol, you're just closer to the center.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 8: Well the running back is directly behind the quarterback instead
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 8: of offset like he is in the gun. So like
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 8: Miami is Shanahan Tree, you know, Mike McDaniel, but Tua
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 8: doesn't like going under center because he's so short. So
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 8: what they do is they put to in the pistol
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 8: and then they run all the same actions that like
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 8: Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay run from under center, but
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 8: they it from the pistol. So there's just different there's
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 8: different ways that you can do it. And I've been
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 8: clamoring for the Patriots to run more pistol because I
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 8: don't think Drake is great from under center.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: And the slingshot for example, like in between the pistol
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: and under.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 7: Center, that has not been invented.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 8: But if you there's like there's different variations of like
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 8: you know, ways that they have like the side car
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 8: right where you have like a lead blocker is offset
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 8: and then the running backs behind the quarterback and you
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 8: kind of have a three man backfield. And the Ravens
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 8: do that a lot. But there's not a slingshot.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: No, no, what a bow and arrow.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 18: No.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 8: You can invent it though, if you want to tell
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 8: Josh maybe, by.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 7: The way, do we ever figure out your no Lampy today?
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 7: I don't want to talk about it. I don't want
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 7: to talk about it.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: No, no brock Lampy, No brock Lampy, no full back in.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 8: There was some speculation from from Paul's people from the
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 8: media tent well they cut them.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: How could they do that this day after Pats That
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 5: seems I mean, it would be disappointed.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: I say, no, it's in Toronto, he says.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: I'm worried that I haven't heard anything about the QB
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: run game slash read options. Do you think this is
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: coming soon? Or are we going to hamstring ourselves again
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: this year?
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 8: I just talked about it earlier and they did a
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 8: ton of it today. I don't want to give away
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 8: too much, but they did it today.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 7: It's in the back.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 6: The Jets have re signed Nick Folk.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 7: Everybody for him that's.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 9: Plays.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 7: When's the weel going to fall off the bus with him?
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 7: Like he's just going to keep kicking field goals?
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 6: Well, he's on the Jets.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: So now Randy's in Providence. What's up, Randy?
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 7: Randy, Hey, how's it going?
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 16: So I've got two questions.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 20: For you guys.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 11: Regarding the position battles there Borgles versus Parker Romo, it
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 11: sounds like the reporting through the past couple of days,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 11: but it's kind of lean more towards Parker Roma. And
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 11: I was watching the after practice interview, I think would
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 11: work all this the other day, and it's just like
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 11: and maybe I'm reading into it too much or whatever,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 11: but he was like, oh, yeah, you know, I got
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 11: a good foot on the ball, but it didn't go in.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 11: But that's fine because I got a good foot on
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 11: the ball. And it just seemed to me, like that's
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 11: not the result that you want. You don't the result
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 11: that you're pursuing is three points at one point.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 15: It's not getting a good.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 11: Foot on the ball, and sometimes you gotta you know,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 11: like anticipate those sorts of things, and again not getting
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 11: a minutia kicking, but like, it just didn't seem like
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 11: there was a lot of lot of caring about the
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 11: result from him.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 8: I sort of understand that though, Randy, because like kicking
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 8: is it's it's almost like a golf swing, like it's
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 8: repetitive stroke and you just want the stroke to look
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 8: exactly the same, and you want your routine to be
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 8: exactly the same. So like if you're having a repeat,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 8: repetitive stroke, then the results usually come. It's when like
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 8: one time you're you know, you're leaning this way, one
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 8: time you're leaning that way. That's when thanks the shanks
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 8: start to happen.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: I think what he's basically telling you is I feel like,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: if I hit it like this a hundred times, I'm gonna.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 6: Make ninety five of them.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like it's gonna happen. It's I think the golf
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: analogy is a perfect one. I've done that a million
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: times as a hacker. I might be, you know, one
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty yards and I hit my iron and
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: I hit it flush, and I you know, I just
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: hit it a little bit left of the green or
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: right of the green. I'm like, I'm okay with that.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: I'm not on the green. That's what I was trying
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: to do. But I hit it the way I normally
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: want to hit it. And I think if I hit
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: it like that every time, more often than not, it's
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: going to go on the green. And I bet you
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: that's what he meant is if I hit him like
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: that all the time, more often than not, we're going
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: to be happy.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 8: I always hear the golf and when you talk to
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 8: special teams, coordinators and stuff, they always use golf. It's
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 8: just a repetitive swing. You want the stroke to look
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 8: exactly the same every single time. And now those are
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 8: the best kickers. The best kickers, they don't change even
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 8: if they're kicking from like sixty like and they're trying
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 8: to it's a.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: Change in trajectory.
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  Speaker 2: Though, if you're going longer, you need to kind of
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: drive it a little bit more.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe, but you can't heal it as high.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 8: The legs swing, they the steps and the whole process
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 8: of getting the ball off the ground. They want to
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 8: keep it the same.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: Now to Randy's you know, initial concern, I would say,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: it's just you know, small.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 11: See.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 6: I do think Romo has been a little bit better.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: We talked about this earlier in the show, and there
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: have been times where I haven't felt Borgallis hit it
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: quote unquote the way.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: I don't think he got a good foot on every
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: one of these misses. You know, to use Bora Gallis's terminology,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: I think he's struggled a little bit with that golf
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: swing trying to get there.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know how close you know, we can
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: actually see. But when he had those, when the ball
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: just didn't look right coming off? Was the placement of
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: the ball right, you know, like I don't know, A.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: Lot goes into it.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's that like ten to four, you know
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: that that sideway.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what you're saying. It looks like a
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: buckle ball.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: Sometimes I just don't get the jump, Like, I don't
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: think any of his balls look like that in college.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 7: Like is it the different ball or.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it could be, you know, or like.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 7: I said, I take an adjustment to kick it, laces out.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: All that type of stuff is a little bit, you know,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: left to right.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 7: I never hear much. I mean I've worked here for
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 7: six years now.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: I've never really heard much about the change in ball
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 5: from college kball, Well, from college to the pros.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 8: And it is bigger ball.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, is the college ball a little fatter?
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 6: Shorter and fat.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: They're basically the same size, but they're yeah, a little
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: bit different. The consistency is different. Shorter and fatter in college.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 7: And you're looking for a consistent strokes.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't know where that came from.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 5: Well, it's just effects you're going to have a consistent
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 5: stroke to a short, fat one.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 7: It's not Wow. I was going to say something serious too.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: But pros are longer.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 7: Sorry, I let myself down there.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: Just long.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 6: That's exactly how I.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: Was feeling, like I really just listen. Size matter.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 26: Okay, well it does, and not enough players talk about, like,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 26: you know, all of a sudden, like I can't imagine
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 26: going from college hockey to pro hockey and the buck's
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 26: a little bit longer now. I mean, all of a sudden,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 26: I had this great snapshot and now it kind of
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 26: comes out the stick funny, and I'm just won't stop.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 8: Like the three point line of basketball in college it's shorter.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the NBA, he used to it.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 7: But people never really talk about like now the ball
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 7: is a little weird for me.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 6: No one ever says that I agree with you. You don't
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 6: hear a lot of people talking.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 5: When I was about to bring this up two seconds ago,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 5: I had to like do mental inventories, like the ball
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: is different.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: Maybe we should get Bory Allison here.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 7: We'll ask us Jeremy Springer, what do you like it's
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 7: short and fat or the long?
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 6: We changed the college ball. It's not different anymore now.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 8: I do remember in those Friday press conferences last year
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 8: with Jeremy Springer where there would be like five of us,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 8: you know, people that actually stay for the Special Teams coach,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 8: and he congratulations. He actually talked about the different holds,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 8: like there are different holes and certain kickers depending on
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 8: the conditions and stuff like that. The way that the
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 8: ball is literally pointed and held can be different. And
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 8: I know it sounds silly and like I'm making excuses
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 8: for him, but like there's a chance that him and
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 8: Bearinger are still in the lab like trying to figure
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 8: out exactly how he likes the ball to be held.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 8: Distance matters, wind conditions matter, the surface sometimes matters on
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 8: the field. So like these things do factor into all.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: This when you need them.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 5: And I was expecting was just to magically appear like
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 5: I dream Egenie like smoke and then he's like, is
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 5: someone talking kicking?
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 8: It's funny, it's the basic as much as we all
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 8: just kind of ran all this stuff off, like that's
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 8: the Special team's coach, Like this is their job, and so,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 8: like like any job, they know all the minutia of
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 8: like all the details of the different holes and all
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 8: this kind of stuff.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 7: So maybe maybe.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: That's I just did a quick Google search and they
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: are roughly the same.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 6: College footballs are.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: Generally winning the same length and circumference range NFL footballs,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: but can vary more due to different manufacturers. And it
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: talks about, you know, it's twenty seven to twenty eight
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: and a half around.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: They get the stripe. Maybe that makes it look shorter.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 6: I like the stripe.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 7: I like this. Do you like the stripe?
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: I do too.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 7: When I buy a backyard football, I'm looking.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 6: I'm going to the weight, the pressure. It's you can
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 6: tell the spiral stripe.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: Eldred's on the line. What's up, Eldredge?
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 7: There we go?
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: All right, hey.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 14: Talks up on the report yesterday. I normally get to
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 14: the show. But how bad is gun?
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: Though?
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 14: And they did it? Pope showed out a little bit,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 14: so I'm like.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 11: Here we go.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: Well, Gonzo, according to the reports, Uh, it's a hamstring.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: It won't threaten his availability for the season, but they're
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: gonna just take it easy on him right now and
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: let him rest. But it's nothing major. It's it is
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: a hamstring. Hamstring tweak according to Jordan Schultzer.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: So just three minutes ago, Karen greg And I'm told
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: the Patriots aren't sure how long top corner Christian Gonzalez
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: will be out with a hamstring injury.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 6: They're just taking a quote day by day.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so day by day for him and then Polke,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know if catching a pass is showing up.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: I mean there's there is no scenario that you could
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: say polk has been showing out. He's back on the
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: practice field the last two days, which is a really
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: positive sign for him just getting back into it.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I mean one passed yesterday and I think
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 7: one pass with a Tuesday.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 8: And the touchdown that he was as schemed open as
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 8: you can possibly be.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: It was very similar for people that didn't see it
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: the touchdown that he caught last year in Chicago.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: Actually he had a good catch, thanks Aldrea.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: I don't know it was a catch for sure. It
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 5: seemed like he thought it was a catch, but the
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: far end zone back left like it was.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know. It was now the one where he
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: jumped out of bounce.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: See I didn't I nitpicked that one because that was
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: the play that Drake was extending, you know, he was
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: running around and Poke ran himself out of bounds, like
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, like you're trying to get open
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: for your guy, and you know, the sideline becomes the
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: second defender on you, like moved to where there's more space.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: He just ran out of room.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 7: I came to it later, but I thought maybe he
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 7: was open.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 6: He seemed like he thought he was open.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: I'm with you his touchdown, I mean it should have been.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 6: There were two occasions last year.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: About.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: The one we were talking about together where you could
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: get me there. We were talking about the one we
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: all talked about together where we were like, oh that
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: was out of bound.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah that was clearly I know you're joking about that.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: It wasn't even close.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 7: He'll take guess. I don't know, so he'll.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: Emorys in Virginia, what's Emery? What's up?
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 10: Emory could have put it afternoon, gentlemen. Hey, you guys
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 10: are doing an amazing job keeping us Pats fans and
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 10: formed with the good, the bad, and the ugly.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 9: Thank you will, thank you, thank you you.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 20: I love it.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 16: Hey, listen, I need I need your update from your optics,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 16: not not not with just what the reporters are saying
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 16: the other people who.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 11: Are covering the past.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 16: What your optics as far as the linebackers and the dvs,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 16: which include both the corners and safeties. Tell me what
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 16: you're seeing. I would greatly appreciate it.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: Okay, e Marie.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: You're looking for the optics of the back end of
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: the defense, the back eight or whatever you want to
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: call it.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, we've seen Splain and Christian Ellis paired together a
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 8: lot as sort of like the top inside linebacker duo,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 8: and explaining is not surprising, but not to buy in
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 8: these practices. He's been out, so that might contribute a
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 8: little bit to Ellis being so involved.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 7: But I feel like those two.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 8: Guys have been pretty locked in there as the top
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 8: two inside linebackers, with maybe like a little bit of
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 8: Jack Gibbons every once in a while.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: And then I mean on the safety, it's a lot
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: of Dugger and Peppers, but a lot of rotation going
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 5: on back there, giving guys like Jalen Hawkins a chance.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: Marcus Epps mass made a nice play today coverage on I'd.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: Say, you know, Craig Woodson hasn't really entered that conversation
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: yet which something to watch and as he's entered the chat,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 5: it hasn't entered the chat yet that with the Young
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: Top unit. But like I said, I think last show
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: a lot of rotation going on in the back. Seems
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: like they're looking for what how the best three fit?
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: But they clearly seem to understand that Peppers and Dugger
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: play well when they're close to the line.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: You know, I.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: Mentioned that, you know, show me what goes on in
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: the joint practice and I'll be able to come up
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: with a little bit more informed opinions. But Friday nights
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: in stadium practice for Foxborough residents and season ticket members,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: we're told will be more like a scrimmage, you know,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: an actual scrimmage, or like, well, well that's the thing
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: we've been conditioned because Bill, I think, out of spite,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: kind of made those in stadium practices glorified walkthroughs like
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: they'd be in uniform.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: But it was no more than a walk through.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 7: It's more about knowing.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 6: What I've heard.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: I heard that this might be more like a scrimmage.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 5: I think Vere might have said something to somebody on
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 5: the radio. Maybe if I thought I saw that might
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: have been serious or something. Maybe it was to the
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: to the pat like a.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 8: Lot of times these are like like you said, and
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 8: it's like, you know, we're laying things from the sideline
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 8: and substitution flatters and like making sure that game day operation.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: Which is fine, you got to do that.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: But do you think it'd be like any different than
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: say yesterday was maybe just not talking about exactly what
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: they do.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 7: But I mean, oh, like, are we going to kick
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 7: it off and we're going to start like.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 5: I don't think we're going to get anybody tackled, which
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 5: is kind of what they did though don't they usually
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 5: do that?
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 7: Like they do a kickoff and they I mean they
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 7: don't go full speed through it, but it.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 6: Was they stop yea, like they don't return it.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 7: That's probably the most difference is that it will be.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 6: My guess is we're not going to get any tackling.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 6: It's going to be.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's going to be just like practical.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: I think it's which is good that to Fred's point,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: it's a step up from what Bill you should do.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 6: It's like they did last year.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: I think that with Rabel though so that there could
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 5: be a competitive element to it. And I'm not saying
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 5: that means tackling, but maybe just a little bit more
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 5: make it again, let's make it a little bit of
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 5: a game. But I think that the pace will be
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 5: the same, but it will be more controlled of you know,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: kickoffs and you know the stuff we always thought was
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 5: like and this is where you stand for the national anthem,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 5: and then you go over here, and then at halftime
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 5: we go out this door.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: You know, it's one of those things, Freddy like, we've
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: seen a million of these. You know when you see it, Oh,
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: that's a little different than that they normally do.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you'll be able to tell you you would like
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 8: because we haven't really gotten to Like it's first and
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 8: ten from the twenty five. We're gonna put the ball down.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 8: We're going to put everybody to the side. The coaches
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 8: aren't going to coach. We're just gonna let it run.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 8: We're gonna blair the music. Like if that happens on
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 8: Friday night, that would be different.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: And if it's incomplete, does it go second and ten
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: or do they move it where it was supposed to
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: move right right?
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 6: You know, that's the kind of stuff.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: Yeap Williams and Philam. What's up? Willem?
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: Hey, hey Bred?
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: How you doing all right?
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 15: Okay, congratulations Evan, thank you, thank you.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 14: Uh, just keep the life happy, right.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 7: I'll try, Oh he is, it's hard this time of year.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 20: Try right, here's just a question.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 27: And I talked to Evan about this before, so I'll say,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 27: you got the quarterback, God women, you got to tackle
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 27: God women.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 9: But you know we're missing.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 27: And I talked to you about a certain receiver and
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 27: I'm on this train until that meantime.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 15: I know he is when we are about two years
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 15: when he come out. But Evan know what I'm talking.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 8: About talking about Jeremiah Smith.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 9: Oh jeez, yes, sir dude.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 7: If the Patriots are drafting high enough to draft.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 8: Jeremiah Smith in two years though, it's got a little while.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 16: Draft and watch, I know we're only got in twenty
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 16: twenty five.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 15: I get it.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 14: It's just makes sense though, because.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 27: Of how we're trying to get number one and it's
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 27: been so long since we have one.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 15: Yeah, and it just it just makes sense to me.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know it makes sense, but I hope we're
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: not in a position to get believe it or not.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 8: If we are we're picking number one overall, if we're
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 8: drafting Jeremiah Smith.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: Right at least right now.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so like yeah, I don't want to be that
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: bad where he's.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 27: Not that but like us trading up to get him done,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 27: you know what I mean, Like Shay, we got all
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 27: the pieces and everything hopefully and we go ahead and
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 27: make that big deal.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 16: You know, we always trade back, but we never trade up.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 15: It's been a.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 9: While, you know.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 8: I mean we're talking about a for a non quarterback,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 8: like an all time package to get it Jeremiah Smith.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 8: Like he's it's not just the season that he had
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 8: last year at Ohio State. Like he's been on the
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 8: radar since he was like sixteen, Like you know, like
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  Speaker 8: he's been ready for the NFL for like three years.
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  Speaker 8: So it's not just that he had the great year
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  Speaker 8: last year at Ohio State. You know, he's a generational talent.
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  Speaker 7: You might need the Burro Chas thing to happen.
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  Speaker 2: That's where my my my concept, thanks William, That's where
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: my concept of future picks being able to future pick
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: a guy and giving up your first round pick no
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: matter what happens, you've lost it to be able to
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: say two years from now we've drafted.
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  Speaker 8: They could have drafted him instead of Will Campbell this
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 8: year and stashed him.
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  Speaker 7: For They could have taken baby Gronk in the third round.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just wait, David Maine says, have you guys seen
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: any reps with Strange at center and Wilson at guard?
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: Strange did okay at center last year? Could you see
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: that being the best five?
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  Speaker 7: No?
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  Speaker 5: I think that experiment's over. But but Wilson, Yes, Wilson
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  Speaker 5: at left guard in center.
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  Speaker 23: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: So we haven't seen Strange at center at all? No,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: not one snap.
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  Speaker 8: Interesting they've had Bradbury, Ben Brown, Jared Wilson.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 7: I said to Evan too, like. I just I like
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 7: Ben Brown size.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if he's really even in the mix
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 5: of the conversation for that spot, but I just think
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 5: i'd like. I like the idea having a big center
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 5: with so many tough, big interior guys, and our recent
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 5: history of guys on skates getting pushed back into the pocket.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 7: There is a there's a chance.
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  Speaker 4: Are you talking about a certain retired.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 7: No, No, nobody retired.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, there's a there's a sliver of a chance that
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 8: it's Jared Wilson and Ben Brown as the backup center.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 8: I'm not saying that it's we're there yet.
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  Speaker 3: But do you think they might release Bradbury?
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 7: There's a slipper.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: I do not think that that is much of a possibility.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: Destiny from Maryland writes in have you guys heard how
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: Taekwon is lighting it up at Chiefs training camp? Apparently
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: he's been running with the first team offense and the
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: Chiefs fans are gushing. I love to see the downfall
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: of other fans. Okay, let's let's but I do wish
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: he pans out.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 8: We have to teach you a lesson about Taekwon Thornton.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 6: This is what he does.
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  Speaker 8: This is what he shines. This is when he shines.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 8: It's non padded practices and stuff. It's nobody gets hands
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 8: on him. Nobody's gonna actually like press him or be
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 8: physical with him. This time of year and the fourth
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 8: two comes out and he just is like last year
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 8: he was. He was Moss and Christian Gonzales last year.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 8: In these early practices, this is the Taekwon experience.
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  Speaker 7: I've been duped.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 8: Don't don't get duped, can't don't get duped.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: Well, maybe you know what the fourth year is?
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 8: This his fourth year in the league, fourth year jump?
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 9: Maybe?
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 8: Wow, very common fourth year jo.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 7: Life comes at you.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: Fast, new environment, your setting, fresh start. Who knows, maybe
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: you put some pounds on in the right place.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 8: I've never heard that before about Taekwan. Oh, he gained
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 8: fifteen pounds of muscle in the off season. Different guy.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 6: Fred's rooting for him. Sure, Melbourne, he's on another team.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 4: Jake and Melbourne.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: Apologies if it's always already been mentioned, But what has
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: the backup five on the O line?
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: Ben?
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 4: Or has it been too mixed up?
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: I can tell you what it was today. Yeah, it
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: was Marcus Bryant, Kayden Wallace, Jared Wilson, City Sow and
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: Trey Jacobs left to right.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 6: That was your second group today.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 4: By the way, City so had some good one on one.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he had had the best one on one I
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: saw yesterday.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he absolutely destroyed Farmer. Yeah, just Joshua Farmer.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 5: Donald still doesn't seem like he's getting a sniff at
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 5: at left guard yet.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 8: It's weird like him and Laden Robinson are both wrapping
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 8: at right guard and it's like, I get you need
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 8: to have a backup. But like if they're not gonna
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 8: if they're not gonna swing, if you're not gonna have
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 8: if you're not gonna be able.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 7: To multiple, you can't.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 8: You can't be a one position backup on the especially.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 6: Exactly what Wilson said yesterday, one in the days this week.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 8: Especially on the interior. So like at some point they're
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 8: gonna have to throw them in. They if they have
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 8: real like hopes of them making the team, then they're
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 8: gonna have to throw them in at left guard and
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 8: see if can they hold up on both sides so
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 8: that they can be a backup on game day. Otherwise
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 8: you're one position backup.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 7: You don't want to be.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna end it a little early today.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: I've got some things I've got to do. Busy, but
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: appreciate everyone watching listening.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: Tomorrow.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: We'll be back at our normal time, No, one o'clock tomorrow.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: Right, we'll start at one o'clock again tomorrow.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 6: Nomorris Wednesday showed them tomorrow two to four.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 8: I believe that's correct, two to four, a little bit
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 8: after two because Bart's busy, so you know, a little.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 7: Laughter maybe like all the punting spars world.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 6: We're all just living.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 8: He's got to talk to Zoe about practice.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: We'll let everyone know.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, So catch twenty two tomorrow and then we'll be
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: back on Thursday.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 4: See you then.
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