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It Is Time For Gen Con Keyforge US Nationals · Archons Corner

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  Speaker 1: It's not Nona say nowhere and this is.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy a minute four years now, we've been here for
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: five now mm hmm, hard to believe.
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  Speaker 3: Episode two fifty one.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure now you understand.
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  Speaker 2: Episode two fifty two. I knew what it meant before.
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  Speaker 2: I just never cared.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, is this gonna be everyone against you? Walk tonight?
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  Speaker 1: You know what you all?
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  Speaker 3: We'll find out. I guess so. But what's going on?
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  Speaker 4: Everybody?
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  Speaker 2: I am the one, the only, the w oh okay.
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  Speaker 2: I you joined here by the normal cast of misfits.
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  Speaker 2: We got to the PhD of KeyForge, Doctor Sheep Yay,
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  Speaker 2: the Choke Show Himself, DRaaS Corps that was gone guys,
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  Speaker 2: and the Ewokis of Ewoks Ewok Jr.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, key Ford community. Glad to be here tonight.
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  Speaker 2: We are seven days away key for Nationals, Nationals US Nationals.
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  Speaker 3: Probably by the time we released this episode probably would
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  Speaker 3: have happened a week or two ago.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, you got me. I have Hey, I have off tomorrow,
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  Speaker 2: so it's probably gonna be up tomorrow. Maybe we'll see.
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: I have to go shopping trip. I have to go
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: shopping for our trip. I have to get a few
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  Speaker 2: few items.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you're gonna get into like a new wardrobe or
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  Speaker 3: something like, what are you thinking?
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  Speaker 2: I gotta get a I gotta get a twin air mattress,
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  Speaker 2: some top hat snacks. I don't where do you if
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  Speaker 2: I even wanted to buy one? Where would I get
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: a top hat? That's a good question, and clearly it's
• 1:57
  Speaker 2: the top hat shop. Yeah, yeah, you don't have that
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  Speaker 2: in the uh in the Johnson area, in the thrift shot.
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  Speaker 4: I run whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I rip people off for a living. Oh super yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But got tons to talk over today. A little bit
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  Speaker 2: of news. Still no official article about what happened in
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  Speaker 2: Las Vegas. Maybe that's uh, maybe that's got deleted just
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  Speaker 2: like our Vegas channel.
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: They're waiting to hit the submit button, so justrowided.
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  Speaker 4: To watch Discovery instead. They score Drive to another quadrant,
• 2:44
  Speaker 4: a different space time. Man, it's it's crazy over there.
• 2:47
  Speaker 3: Do space dollars still spend the same?
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  Speaker 4: Uh? No, No, because you don't use space dollars anymore.
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  Speaker 3: What do you use now?
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  Speaker 4: Goodwill?
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  Speaker 2: Goodwill and and gold US Latinum.
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  Speaker 3: There we go.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, doctor Sheep would be a big, big fan
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  Speaker 2: of the Ferengi.
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  Speaker 4: But we.
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  Speaker 2: Want to start out. Doctor Sheep I'm gonna assume this
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  Speaker 2: is extraordinarily important because Eloch organized our show notes he
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  Speaker 2: put it right at the top, highly highly important news.
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  Speaker 2: You have a wins of Death fix? Now, just to
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  Speaker 2: be sad, this.
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  Speaker 4: Isn't mine alone, man, everybody's.
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  Speaker 2: In well, everybody's had a wins of Death fix. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's fine. I don't think we need to fix
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  Speaker 2: winds of death? But what what is.
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  Speaker 4: You're good at being wrong? Like the one thing we
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  Speaker 4: know your idea has always resolved in four poor experiences.
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  Speaker 1: But he is very he is very efficient with taking
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  Speaker 1: his ideas on and turning him into this.
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  Speaker 2: So, like Michael Jordan said, you miss percent of the
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: shots you don't take.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think just treats well? He either like he's
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  Speaker 3: like some sort of idiots of Fox.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he is an idiot.
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  Speaker 2: I think you added, Oh, I wonder if that's a
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  Speaker 2: great idea, and then I just one day I'll stop
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  Speaker 2: talking because no, I don't really do I really want
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  Speaker 2: this to come to fruition? Probably not? But what is
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  Speaker 2: what is your great wad fix?
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  Speaker 4: Somebody else has said it too, but it's basically it
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  Speaker 4: only archives if you're not haunted, right, So you're never
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  Speaker 4: gonna archive more ten cards, and most of the time
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  Speaker 4: you're haunted and you own archive anything.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just a board clear that has no change. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you your maximize. That's only if every every card is
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  Speaker 2: a creature, right.
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  Speaker 3: Ten?
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  Speaker 4: Oh? Yes, nine, you're right. You're better at math, jo
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  Speaker 4: you know, yeah, thank you?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so do I always do. I always board wipe,
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  Speaker 2: but only archive if I'm not haunted.
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  Speaker 4: That yes, that's the only change. But it also works
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  Speaker 4: on your opponent that way, so if they're not, like
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  Speaker 4: the timing becomes actually a little more interesting because it
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  Speaker 4: can still be good where it's like you you wait
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  Speaker 4: for them to be haunted and you're not, and you
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  Speaker 4: get some advantage.
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  Speaker 2: See he says, he says, interesting, I say pain in
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  Speaker 2: the ass, But you know, potato.
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  Speaker 3: No more than any other card. You don't find that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't mind that fix.
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  Speaker 4: There you go. That's the next change. All right, how
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  Speaker 4: about this? It just starts with if you are haunted
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  Speaker 4: or no, it's if you are unhaunted, god, if you
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  Speaker 4: are not haunted, but only clear if you are haunted.
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  Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Okay, so now it's got two effects. So
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  Speaker 2: if you are not haunted, you archive each creature and
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  Speaker 2: your discard pile, or each player that is haunted or
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  Speaker 2: is not haunted, archives each creature they're discard pile. Each
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  Speaker 2: player that is haunted kills everything, destroy all creature, or
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  Speaker 2: destroy each creature for each player that is haunted.
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  Speaker 4: That would make it a very different card.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it would be very different. I like it being
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  Speaker 1: symmetrical for both players, but depending on you being haunted.
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  Speaker 1: I think that mechanic is very clear and grim reminders, and.
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  Speaker 4: So it's too easy to uh effectively control when you're
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  Speaker 4: going to be haunted and your opponent's not to get
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  Speaker 4: way more effect out of cards than them.
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  Speaker 1: But you're simply going ahead in archiving, Like I honestly
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  Speaker 1: say that it is a board and archive cards. So
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  Speaker 1: it's a board clear either way archive cards if you
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  Speaker 1: are unhaunted, and that way you have the determination if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to go ahead and archive the cards at max.
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  Speaker 1: You're not having that many creatures. It's just not as
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  Speaker 1: efficient as digging all the way, you know, booing and
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  Speaker 1: throwing a whole bunch of creatures into your discard pilon
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  Speaker 1: getting those into your archives. So it limits that it
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  Speaker 1: goes ahead and is a major impact on our Key
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  Speaker 1: Abduction and many other plays that we're seeing from it.
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  Speaker 1: I also think that there's some play around when you're
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  Speaker 1: looking at your opponent and depending on where they are,
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to go ahead and you're the determining player,
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  Speaker 1: if you're haunted, well look at how far they are.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's still advantageous for you to archive, even if
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  Speaker 1: it's one or two or three creatures. I still think
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  Speaker 1: there's an advantage. But when we see you know, the large,
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  Speaker 1: obscene amounts of creatures being dumped in because of other
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  Speaker 1: commons in Grim Reminders, I think this is a great fix.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no wins of death. That sounds like that's a bad.
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  Speaker 1: Thing that the death better.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, wins the death and booze and stuff does make
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  Speaker 4: games that just change, you know, like they swing very hard,
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  Speaker 4: very fast, and that.
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  Speaker 2: My whole thing deep into this cycle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Do we think we're actually gonna see a UHTA?
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't think we're gonna see an Errata.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't man.
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  Speaker 3: Ecto charge man Bam Errata like that.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it would have been done already if
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  Speaker 2: we were going to get another one.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think CTP read the card after it was
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  Speaker 3: printed and you're like, why did you do this? They're like, uh,
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  Speaker 3: read any of his job follows well beyond anything that
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  Speaker 3: has to do with actually reading cards and gameplay. You
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  Speaker 3: think he was playing. And it was like, Jeremy, tell
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  Speaker 3: me this does read this card to me?
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  Speaker 2: And Jeremy didn't know, so they had to go. Then
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  Speaker 2: I had to actually read it. But I just I
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  Speaker 2: don't think we're going to get a change to it.
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  Speaker 3: But it would be.
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  Speaker 2: Idea is not not interesting? Not not not not interesting?
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  Speaker 2: I'm I would be interested.
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  Speaker 1: I think that Wins of Death it's a great board white,
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  Speaker 1: but the combined effect really is having an impact on
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  Speaker 1: many different decks, and so that is the reason why
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  Speaker 1: we should see a correction. And I'm not a big
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  Speaker 1: fan of going ahead and having a rata. I will
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  Speaker 1: say that, well, we'll.
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  Speaker 3: See if so. Let here's my guess. My guess is
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  Speaker 3: that they come out with ember Skies and Toke it's
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  Speaker 3: the change and mmma man discovery, and then if all
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  Speaker 3: of that does it dethrone or at least reduce the
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  Speaker 3: consistency of us seeing Winds of Death, then maybe they'll
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  Speaker 3: do it. But my guess is is they just throw
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  Speaker 3: a ton of sets at it first. That's my guess.
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  Speaker 3: We'll be getting a ton of sets.
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  Speaker 4: But you can't just blame how it killed. Whoa.
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  Speaker 3: It is crazy, right, like like I.
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  Speaker 4: Just gave away a ton of vodacks and I'm like, eh,
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  Speaker 4: these are all trash now.
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  Speaker 3: But don't you get you get to Oh no you don't.
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  Speaker 4: It's just the yeah, no, you get dark have a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of creatures you don't really want.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, because you got the big board, right,
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  Speaker 2: but then you kill that big board. But then the
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  Speaker 2: board just dies and they have that big arc because
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  Speaker 2: you're tokenizing not putting stuff in your discard.
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  Speaker 4: Pile, and a lot of the creatures that are good
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  Speaker 4: sort of work with tokens and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So mm hmm.
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  Speaker 4: When you've lost everything, it's it's sad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is true. But it's time for our favorite segment,
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  Speaker 3: everyone's favorite segment.
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  Speaker 4: Why suck at KeyForge?
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  Speaker 3: No, that's everyone's second favorite segment.
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  Speaker 4: Oh but this this is every my second favorite.
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  Speaker 3: It's true.
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  Speaker 2: It's time for op news with Sheep Sheep. What's going
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  Speaker 2: on in the world of tournaments op for KeyForge?
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  Speaker 4: Well, we got Mars, right, we did. We talk about Mars.
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  Speaker 2: We got Mars Mars.
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited about that. We're actually uh.
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  Speaker 4: Time right now to get your store to log into
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  Speaker 4: ghost gouts dot com and order the kits for twenty
• 12:03
  Speaker 4: bucks apiece from that website. Right. You cannot get them
• 12:06
  Speaker 4: through distribution. You have to log in. You have to
• 12:08
  Speaker 4: have a ghost Galaxy account. You log into the ghost
• 12:12
  Speaker 4: Galaxy retailer portal and buy them there. So make sure
• 12:17
  Speaker 4: your store knows what to do to get them. If
• 12:20
  Speaker 4: you want to run these events, it's enough for six players.
• 12:22
  Speaker 4: They're twenty bucks, no prizes, but you get a neat
• 12:27
  Speaker 4: Mars pod that we know nothing about, so that should
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  Speaker 4: be fun. And then we have nationals and a bunch
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  Speaker 4: of international vaults still. So Nationals are supposed to run
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  Speaker 4: in like starting in like three weeks right in foreign
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  Speaker 4: countries or something something.
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  Speaker 3: Have we heard of anything about nationals and other countries?
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  Speaker 1: Not?
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  Speaker 2: No, not a peep. We still have let's see, we
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  Speaker 2: still have Hamburg, Germany, Shanghai, Lawrence, and Madrid all still
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  Speaker 2: vault tours that are going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Shortly.
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  Speaker 2: That is cool, none for us. We've had ours. Now
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  Speaker 2: it's time. It's time to find out who's the national
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  Speaker 2: championship and move forward?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, otherwise we've got national champs we know our nationals,
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  Speaker 4: US Nationals. Gen Con coming up here in less than
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  Speaker 4: a week. We'll be playing sealed, but it's sealed Thursday,
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  Speaker 4: ARC on Friday, Alliance Saturday, and then the interesting part
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  Speaker 4: of this is they have made it clear if you
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  Speaker 4: multi top cut going into Sunday, you have to pick
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  Speaker 4: the format you're going to and then they will fill
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  Speaker 4: out the top cut from people who didn't quite make it.
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  Speaker 3: Something tells me that's not really gonna be a thing.
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  Speaker 4: What that people are going to multi top cut?
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  Speaker 2: Nope, that we're going to really have that issue? Well
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  Speaker 2: why don't why don't we go? I had to purchase
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  Speaker 2: my tickets because I didn't. I was dumb, dumb, Yeah, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: tell us, tell us what you see.
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  Speaker 4: There on that?
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  Speaker 2: So I was dumb, dumb, I didn't. I don't have
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: it in front of me right now. But I forgot,
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  Speaker 2: like I had purchased the gen Con badge, right and
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: then I paid sheep for our lodging, But I never.
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  Speaker 3: Bought my ticket to actually play in any of events.
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  Speaker 4: I remember I sold out last year. Are consol out.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: Hold on, let me let me just let me pop
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  Speaker 2: this up here real quick. Should we should play some
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: elevator music? Do Do Do, Do Do Do? I can't
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  Speaker 2: find out even where to go, but I had buy
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  Speaker 2: my tickets, was the short and skinny. I think there
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  Speaker 2: was still sixty four tickets left? Was it sixty four
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  Speaker 2: tickets left? I think it came out to like there
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  Speaker 2: are forty people playing Sealed, twenty four people playing ARCon,
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  Speaker 2: and fourteen people playing Alliance. That's what was signed up
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  Speaker 2: as of Tuesday. So I mean, if we're we're starting
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  Speaker 2: at nine in the morning, right, ten o'clock, ten.
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  Speaker 4: O'clock in the morning, now at nine o'clock, at.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: Nine o'clock, not at nine ten. These things are.
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  Speaker 3: So if that the.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Depends on which which time zone you're okay, So I'll
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  Speaker 1: want myself out now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say we are in the Indianapolis time zone,
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  Speaker 2: all right, Just to.
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  Speaker 4: Be clear, so you make sure you understand your numbers.
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  Speaker 4: They cap at sixty four.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, oh, they cap at sixty four.
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  Speaker 4: There are twenty eight available tickets, so there are over
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  Speaker 4: thirty players for ar Con.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, there are forty, so there are only twenty four
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  Speaker 2: people signed up for there's twenty four people for ARCN.
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  Speaker 4: Sealed. There are twenty eight tickets left, so that's thirty
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  Speaker 4: six plus yeah, thirty two plus four. That's thirty six
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  Speaker 4: people signed up for Sealed, and there are forty nine
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  Speaker 4: tickets for Alliance. So that's that's.
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  Speaker 3: A fourteen fifteen fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: Well I signed up. When I signed up, there was
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  Speaker 2: so I took a spot, So fifteen.
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  Speaker 4: That's only fifteen people who want to play Alliance at
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  Speaker 4: gen Con.
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  Speaker 2: So if we started pay for seats at gen Con,
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  Speaker 2: I if I started now, if we started nine right,
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  Speaker 2: even going Sealed, there's a good shot we could just
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  Speaker 2: finish Sealed in one day, go all the way to
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  Speaker 2: el ow it the whole way, and just be done.
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  Speaker 4: They might do that with Alliance.
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  Speaker 2: They might do that with Arkon only twenty four with
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  Speaker 2: thirty something. They will make a top cut happen on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: Otherwise it will it won't have the right appearance. But anyways,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I like Wookie's idea here of actually being able to
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: allow you to play in all three top eights, because
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  Speaker 1: any other national that's exactly what happened, not necessarily organized.
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  Speaker 1: They could and they have in the past, so.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, but it's also not guaranteed May thirty first finalized
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: by June, like they were supposed to have Nationals. All
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: details in an event must be finalized by June thirtieth
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  Speaker 4: for Nationals. Yeah, and we haven't yet. I'm guessing. I mean, like,
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: did just nobody sign up for Nationals this year? I
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: don't know, be interesting to see.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you also went ahead and made a comment that
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  Speaker 1: they're not that gig is not paying for their seeds,
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  Speaker 1: and well, my understanding is for gen Con, you most
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: you most definitely are paying for the space.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't think you pay for the space.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Oh I what.
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  Speaker 3: Did How do you just walk in and be like,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, this is mine?
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: Like, no, no, you you have to submit for events
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: and they give you space and some amount of your
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: ticket sales probably goes back to gen Con. Well I don't,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: but I don't. I actually don't know. I do not
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: know how you get bigger table because like, if I
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: want to run like a six player board game, I
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: don't pay for anything. I just basically sign up to
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: run it and they tell me if I have space where.
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  Speaker 3: Hmm, okay, yeah, I assumed it was.
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  Speaker 4: Somewhere in this there's something on how to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like something for another day. Yeah, there
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  Speaker 2: are multiple, multiple other events. You got some Grab and
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Go sealed, lots of Grab and Go sealed, lots lots
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: of Grab and Go sealed, Three ring Circus, which is
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Menagerie sealed, and then the Insanity of the Architects, whatever
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: that is, and then the Vaults Assault. What in the
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: world is Insanity of the Architects. Each participant will bring
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: one deck from the key Forge n never mind unchained Menagerie.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody cares so well it does.
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  Speaker 4: It says event costs will be calculated upon submission.
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  Speaker 3: We're Insanity of the Architects.
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  Speaker 4: It's it says it's two dollars for every two hours or.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Fractionip your ear finding event costs. But either way, not
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: a lot of people showing up to nationals, can I.
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  Speaker 2: I mean we talked about yes, we know why someone.
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  Speaker 4: It's like two dollars per player per hour is what
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  Speaker 4: it kind of looks like.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: So the less players they have, the better do they
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: pay for all sixty four seats and then however much
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: time they need, times per hour or whatever.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Gen con based police two dollars for every two hours.
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  Speaker 4: And then this is the amount you will be paid
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: per player you turn in tickets for. So you can
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: add an additional fee that you're going to charge the
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: players that that money comes to you.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: So the sixty dollars goes to yeah.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: And then it's event costs will be gen Con plus
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: additional fee. Now this is so it is two dollars
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: per two hours. Is just what gen Con charges for seats.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Is what it looks like, right, That's how it does it.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: So like, so a dollar per player, and we.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: As players are paying that cost, not the event runner.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Do you think they charge more for premium locations or problem.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there might be something beyond that.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: For stadium. Maybe the stadium is a cheap one.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: The stadium, I would assume it'd be the cheap one
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: because the the other one is the event hall, which
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: is right next to the well.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: They they kind of tell you where you're going to go,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: and you know, depending on your type of event, the
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: will your event and if you have time with gen
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Con in the past, you like get better.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: And they'll group items that are similar together. I actually
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: really like the space that we're at, so I don't
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: have any.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Issue close to the food trucks. It's nice.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Well it's close to the food trucks, it's separate and
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: frankly there's there's bathrooms, there's a lot of space for
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: the gaming tables. I still would love to see. I
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: know there's multiple different games that are happening, not just
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: key Forge, but multiple other types of games that are happening,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: but it would still be amazing to have the finals
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: stream down a jumbo tron for the various games. I
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: think that would be absolutely amazing.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: So yeah, so nationals people are supposed to be submitted
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: by the end of June. We haven't seen a single
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: national announced except ours. I had heard some rumors, I
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: think in early July about where it was going to
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: end up for Canada, but I haven't seen any thing
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: about it since No.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: I heard it was the same place.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: That's That's what I've heard as well, But we haven't
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: heard time frames. It's just like there's zero information about.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: What you get. So this is where the problem comes in.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: You notice that shape you're able to discover we were
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: going back to Vegas. Vegas had a good turnaround based
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: on its location, easy access for flying in relatively cheap
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: gen Con more expensive to be able to get to frankly,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: or paying a lot more to get into gen Con
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: than just for our event.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: We're going cheap this year.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I have also heard multiple people in our small niche
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: keybarge group that are going ahead and talking about, Hey,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I'm going to play other games. So you even see
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: less involvement in.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Oh do do we spoil it? What did Sydney tell us?
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: I No, Sidney said I'm not playing Alliance.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Oh no, No, she didn't say she wasn't She said
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: she was thinking.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: About that, she was not going to play Alliance.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Is that Do you think that's because.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Because there's also there's there's so many other games and experiences,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: and I think that has to be kept in mind.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: It adds to the cost gen Con prizing, uh, just
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: to be able to have a spot, to be able
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: to stay, let alone, for parking, for food, it's it's
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it is much more than what you're going to see
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: for vaults, and Frankly, I would argue it's going to
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: be much more than many other national tournaments that people
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: are going to see around the world. So I mean,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: she you you want to had an attended Canadian Nationals
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: last year? Did it cost you more to go to
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: US Nationals or Canadian Nationals even with the transportation, which
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: was an exorginant.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: US nats were way more. Yeah, and and people like
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: that were one hundred bucks each just for the hotel room.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, I mean said it. Sunday said it right here.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Gen Con is just expensive, period, and it is. He's
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: not wrong.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Well, you could huggle him like we're going.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: To I mean, we made a last minute decision to hey,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: let's see if we can go play key Forge, and
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: how cheap can we make it? And it's still really
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: not that cheap?
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Where I mean, we're pretty cheap, right because we're
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: only like one hundred and twenty bucks for gas and
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: sleeping arrangements.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Right, But then you're also talking one hundred and fifty
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: to one hundred and seventy dollars for your.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: Badge, yeah, and then another and then another one hundred
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: dollars one hundred dollars in entry fees.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so where are two almost four what four four fifty?
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Unless you're truly gonna go cheap, you spend quite a
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: lot of money on food, Like we're all planning to
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: do breakfast at the sleeping arrangements, But like lunch, there's
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: no way unless you really gotta pack sandwiches. But none
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: of us are gonna do.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: That mm hmm.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: And then dinner, we're gonna drink and eat more than
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: we spent on anything else.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Probably more than likely.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: We will. We will still have some dress core experiences
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: even though dress cord will not be there. So do
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: we now consider this cheap experiences?
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: I was wondering if we don't give each person a night.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, everybody chooses what they want to do one night,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: and that means you guys are doing karaoke carryka already.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I already got a place. I already Not only do you.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Have to karaoke, you're gonna have to dress up in
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: that karaoke too.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I was gonna not participate in the dress
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: up portion and just do the karaoke.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: No, I'm more interested in you guys dressing me.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, now I'm in Now, I'm I.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Mean, maybe you can just call up x Ray and
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: get his princess outfit for it.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: We've done, We've done weirder ship on the road.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: So now I will say some griping because frankly, gen
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: cons are very expensive nationals, but it's gonna be a
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: great time. I'm looking forward to seeing, even even with
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the low numbers that we're seeing right now, I'm looking
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: forward to seeing people who are coming by for gen
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Con and will be there for other items or for
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: people who are playing for key Forge. I love playing
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: key Forge. Frankly, I just took last night and watched
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Adaptive being played finals, So congrats, congrats their quick Draw
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: with his second Adaptive title. But like, yeah, hey, I'm
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: going to add props and it's just it's good to.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: See low Forge even slower.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Right up Ewok's alley.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Uh that that that was a whole nother, whole other game.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: But honestly, key Forge time, I will tell you that.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I will tell you that watching both JT. Russell and
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: quick Draw play, you can see that they understand those decks.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: They understand how to be able to manipulate and have
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: very very small gains. It's very different from ARCon, but
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: it was still an enjoyable experience and so not to
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: yuck on anyone else's Yeah, man, if they're enjoying it,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: we need all of our key Forge players. We can
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: definitely see that with those coming out for gen Con.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to seeing everyone who's gonna come out.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have a great time, and uh, you know what,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: maybe it just means a little bit more extra socialization
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: time for some of these other events, and I'm okay
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Here's the next thing, right, So we talked about just
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: general cost being a contributing factor to why people aren't
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: showing up, just general knowledge of the event. Although we
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: knew we were getting Nationals at gen Con.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, but you have to tell us what prizing is,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: what's there, what's something to look forward to?
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Come over and pissing my cheerios. It's like you've never
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: done a podcast before. I was totally getting to just
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: that point, and you're like, yep, prises, You're you're really
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: you know, I was going around, I was taking a
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: scenic group, but we were getting there.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: We don't even know what the fuck we're getting. So
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: if you win Nationals, what do you get?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I am there.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: There are definitely a few players that indicated that, like
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: with the quality or value that we got last year,
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: especially in the US because we weren't playing for travel bouchers,
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: that some mats and some miscellaneous like the deck boxes
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: and the sleeves and uh, the mats were unique, right,
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: the mats were national mats. Everything else this was just
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: the old FFG rising. Okay, so we which it's all
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: available on Ghost Galaxies website.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: So it's all. It's all stuff you can buy.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for a while less and yeah, I would say
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: for significant Well, I mean once you total it all up.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Well, so here here's the real conundrum. When I can
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: go ahead and honestly pay for what I'm going to
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: pay for gen Con last year, and I could go
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I could go on and and.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Invites that you cannot buy.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, listen, listen, I can Actually that same
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: amount of money is enough to be able to provide
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: me as a plane trip over to some of our
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: European national sorry, our European vaults, to be able to
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: fly there and back and to play for roughly what
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the cost of gen Con is, which is in our
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: continental US. That is something that people are missing. It
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: was very close. It was a difference. It was a
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: difference of twenty dollars last year. And that is crazy.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Is that hold on, hold one days of fun together?
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: The difference of twenty dollars, right, does that include if so,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: let's say I don't have a pass.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Rooms, foods, and all that crap over there.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: No, I'm saying like, let's just say I don't have
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: a passport, right, that's additional cost for somebody a passport
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: a passport. I'm just saying I have a passport for years.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: There are people who do not have a passport. That
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: might be an additional cost.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: Well, there's also traveled to the freaking airport and paying
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: for parking. There's lots of other costs. We're not talking
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: about that.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: But Bookie, when you're doing yeah, when you're going ahead
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: and looking at the cost to fly international, it's almost
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the same cost.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: As compowers on an airplane.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Well, that's just that's just a cost that that has
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: no real cost but is a pain on your side.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: But what I'm trying to be able to say is
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: that actual physical monetary cost was there was. It's expansive
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: and people miss that because you would think, oh, hey,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I can go to multiple nationals over in Europe and
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: you should be able to do the same here with
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: your vaults. In the US, the distance that our individual
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: states are spread out. People on the West Coast, it
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: is a full, full travel to be able to get there.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: You're you're not going ahead and driving very easily to
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: get from California over to India.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: That's that's my sense.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Let's move it.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: But I will hopefully, I don't really know how I'm
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: going to do this quite yet, but hopefully I'll be
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: able to release some little tidbits of video for you
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: guys as things come about. I figured out a way
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: to do a handful of things. So hopefully we can
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: get you guys something. We don't know if it's going
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: to be streamed or not. My my assumption is the
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: answer is no, So we'll see.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about So you're you're saying we can't do
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: our show live next Thursday evening.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, probably not, probably not, or.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Next Wednesday when we get to gen Con.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Probably not.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: No, probably not.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: You're really really we're not doing it in the car
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: on the way down, maybe we will have you know what,
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: But just like I tell my children, maybe, so.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: You're gonna go ahead and feed me said it is
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe and throwing me in the back.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Feed my children's sedatives and throw them anywhere, feed myself
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: sedatives and go to bed.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Anyway I can hook you up if you want to start.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: All right, next topic my loveliest.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Next week on child drugging with Sheep. All right, Star distribution.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I believe this is another Sheep segment, is it? Okay? Well,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: you know the most about it.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: So stores should have got their email, and in their
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: email it'll tell them how much they can buy, and
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: then Alex will reach out with an invoice that I'll base,
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: so it would be the invoice for whatever you were
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: buying from the game Found Plus. However, many M plus
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: extras you can buy, which for our for our our
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: three two on known number of votes, so level one
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: whatever we were called shack you can Yeah, for key
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Ford Shacks, we can buy three extra boxes. The tier
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: after that can buy six boxes, and then in theory
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: there's a third tier, which I'm guessing is twelve boxes,
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: but I don't know. We haven't heard from any of
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: those stores yet.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there, because we don't know which stores are in
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: which tier. Right, that was not announced, right, right?
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: That is not ouse. They are listed at the same retail.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: At least the thing I saw m M plus is
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: the same retail as other stuff, So it's fifteen dollars
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: a deck. It was not listed as twenty dollars a deck.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Oh that didn't somewhere expecting it. It was priced enlisted
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: for around fifteen dollars a back. So we we order them.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: So store I worked for. Your store is one who
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: got six? Right?
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: That's right? Yeah, we are castle, yes, and we're shack.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: So this is this is a little to Actually we
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: got to verify that the shack we play at ordered
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: whatever they could.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: So this is where I had thrown this information in
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: because we deduced Drascour that you're a castle. How did
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: you do this because you told us your castle.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: That was what that's called deduction.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Well, but the problem is this, we had this general
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: statement of hey, here's go ahead and vote for your stores.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: So there's really two issues. One, it was never clear
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: as to what you needed to be able to achieve
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: each of the categories. They made that pretty clear at
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: it times fine tensional, I get that.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: But the.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: But now that we have gone ahead and have fulfilled
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: our votes, you should be able to tell hey, if
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: your store hit this amount of votes. This is what
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: actually made the Strongholder castle. I think we talk about transparent,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: transparency and being able to communicate.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: It's frustrating with transparency or communication. When it comes down
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: to GG, we see nothing. We get information when they're
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: ready to sell us shit.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: I got dinner with Mayne and.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I will put this. This is more my gripe. My
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: frustration was that early on we had a lot of communication,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: we were told things, and there was hope, and now
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: we're back in this FFG days with GG where frankly,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: hey you have something coming, but it's not clear and
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: even after the fact, we're not knowing. So yes, we
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: have figured out Drascore that you are a castle, but
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: there even the community, we're trying to figure out what
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: made up a stronghold, what store went ahead and actually
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: achieved that. How many votes was it? It would have
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: been really nice to know, and we could almost champion
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: some of these stores and say, hey, your guys are
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: doing awesome. You had this amount of players who not
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: only play but voted for your store. And then I
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: will say the second key piece for me that is
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: really frustrating is it was announced how many triple M
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: R M plus boxes will be available to the store
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: to be able to Now, okay, so our M and
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: MS ore M and MS, We're going to go M
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: and MS we're more. If you have multiple people who voted,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: let's say you have four or five, and the distribution
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: is limited to three boxes, it prevents real issues. So
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: my plea Togg is before this gets out of hand,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: because it is limited distribution for all of the people
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: who actually went ahead and voted for a store, make
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: sure that there is at least a box available to them,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: and that means that the store should be able to
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: order one for them. That is a real worry. I
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: will say it's a worry at this point because nothing
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: has been happening.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: That's like, but Claire, there isn't one per voted player
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: at a store.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: This is why I'm trying to bring it up now,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: because frankly, it's really irritating that you had multiple people
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: who weren't going to go ahead and vote at all
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and not invest their money in this set or multiple
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: sets that are coming out, but they did so to
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: be able to help others at their own individual store.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: And so while we had an initial idea to help
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: our stores, what are you doing when you have less
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: boxes available than the people who have themounted to vote.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: Not selling them whole boxes like this seems easy? I
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: don't I don't know where those is complex? Why do
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: you have to buy things by the box?
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: If individual players wanted to buy a box, they should
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: be able to, especially if they've invested in Why.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: Why Because it's just an arbitrary thing you have decided.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I'm going to tell you. I'm going to
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: tell you that if you put a vote for a store,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: you should be able to get the amount of product
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: that you want. It should not be limited there.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: But that's the point of limited product, right, No, no,
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: no limited It should only be sold for sealed in
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: store and that's the only way to get it. Like,
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: that's my opinion, but that's not what's going on, because
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: it's not stuff that's going to my stores getting put
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: in boxes and shipped all over the country to people
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: who didn't have stores. But that's that's what my stuff
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: is doing. But I think they should have.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: It.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Does it's gonna how many votes do you think your
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: store got? Dress eight or twelve or something?
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: So I'm not actually sure because we're a guess. This
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: is a scene, so we yeah, we don't need exact
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: We were guessing originally between eight and ten. However, the
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: there's a store about an hour from us that was
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: not going to get in on this, and then last
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: moment they decided they were. So we had a couple
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: folks an hour west of US vote for that. So
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: I don't actually know, we might have only gotten six
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: or so.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Because if you got six, that's that's It's like the
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: store that has four or five votes gets the worst
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: of it, right because in Jr's world, you know, there
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: isn't as much product as spread, but there's there are
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: certain numbers, and then it's going to be the stores.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: It's actually probably the stores center at like ten or
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: eleven but didn't make the cut to go to the
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: next one that really get the the screws put to them.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: It's also like, are still some folks in Philly who
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: might have voted for us even though they don't really
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: come out. That's also possible.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: I guess I currently don't have I plan to open
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: like one.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I am very much open to being able to play
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: it as sealed as you had offered, but I'm telling
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: you I don't want to see individuals. If there are
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: four people at a store that that basically are getting
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: three boxes, and they past their four votes and they
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: each want a box, they should each be able to
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: get a box. I think that is limiting the stor's
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: potential to make the money off of it versus square head.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: That's where I have an issue. I don't see a
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: reason why we're limiting it in that manner if.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Just put out put out a number is about no.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: But you could have you could have gone ahead and
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: put in the stipulation it's going to be one box
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: available as an option for each vote that's cast.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: So it doesn't seem unreasonable to me and anyway, But
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: that is not what it was. That's clearer. That was
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: pretty clear, I think to most of it. That was
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: never what the plan was.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: No, it was a very it was it was a
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: very ambiguous of hey, you can reach these three tiers.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: But because that wasn't clear, that's where some of the
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: frustration from the group comes from. I can voice it
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: from being able to hear and to be able to
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: see from our own individuals who are playing.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: So I mean, I can't disagree like not knowing like
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: what made a castle, what made a shock, what made
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: a stronghold?
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: What made of this?
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Like not They're just like, well, we don't want to
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: give those numbers because reason x y Z. Well they
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: said they didn't want to what resulting.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they said, get this minimum and we'll see what
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: is bigger. Yeah.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I think that's fine. Yeah, but then you never you
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: didn't know, like, okay, so what do I get for this?
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: What do I get for that?
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: What you get for whatever you got?
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Did they?
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Store, it's not it's not your problem, right, it's
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: your store's problem. And that's the other thing is like
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: they don't tell you who voted for your store, so
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: you don't even know who to contact and be like
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: how much of the stuff of my gun? You better
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: be in pretty good contact with your players because otherwise
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: that does seem weird. I'm with Jarror, where it should
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: have been much clearer, like your players can pre order
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: something special for you. Make it clear to the player
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: that you vote for the store, and then you go do.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: It get them to come to your store.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Well that would also be kind of friendly, like somebody
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: who plays key forwards who didn't do anything just comes
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: up and swoops in all the boxes. Well, no, that's
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: what it should have been clear, Like if you get
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: a vote, they can come to you and order a
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: box of M M m plus and and that's how
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: it works, right, And if the player votes and doesn't
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: actually care about the box, then they don't even go
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: into the store in order. And if they care, they
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: come in and order.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: That's where I was at. Sorry, it just it was
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: one of the feedback items that I had seen, and
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it has been a while since we've seen
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Castle and Stronghold. But there was some discussion this week
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: on the number of votes, and.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: It is what it is.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: We do have another topic though, on to.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: The forty seventh set of twenty twenty four No hold on.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Someone said, and I love this. No, no, I'm enjoying this.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: They're calling it our basic sets and we're going to
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: short change it to our BS set. We could tell
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: that should be no, no, no, not not BB our BS.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Set Basic bitch a right set?
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: All right? Anyway.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Key Forge will celebrate in six years since it's release
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: this November. Each new key Forge set release has looked
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: to evolve the game through new card pools, new houses,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: and new mechanics for players to discover and adapt their play.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: For veteran players, a new set and mechanic brings excitement,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: keeps sayings feeling fresh as you break into new decks. However,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: game advancement can take an increasing toll on many new players,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: as the added layer is a complexity can be intimidating
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: when one gets started with the game, as key Forge evolved.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: When question is often asked of key Forge players to
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: be what set should I start with? The question has
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: now a definitive answer? Definitive? Okay, there's no there's no
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: arguing this. It's now definitive. The set that you can't
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: get currently, yeah, the set that you cannot buy. Key
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Forge Discovery a gateway to endless enjoyment that is key
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Forge and the best way for new players to break
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: into the game. Why didn't we just call it portal?
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Never mind?
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: No understands that reference. That's fine, that's magic.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, we're we're you have to be super understand
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Oh mant cards existed?
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: I played magic.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Portal cards are not really expensive, but anyways, Keyfards all
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: very expensive keyboards.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Key Fords Discovery is a set of more than three
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: hundred classic Keyford cards chosen for their simplicity, intuitiveness, and
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: fun factor. Ship Oh sorry, uh, every ye, thank.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: You for your donation, No problem?
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Who wants fun factor.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Every unique deck generated from this set provides an easy
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: introduction to the game with a focus on core gay
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: mechanics and only a minimal use of keywords. There is
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: just enough variety in depth to keep with a new
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: and veteran player excited and engaged in discovering what key
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Forge has to Oh god, I just looked over and
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: our chat is just going crazy.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Players will call upon the strength of the house. These
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: houses in this set Brobnar dis So if this is coda, Brobnar,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: you can just throw all those away.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Well a car. It does not say coda.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: It just could be.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: It could have Riot, because that's not.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Keep keep looking at all the houses because one of
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: those is not in coda.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Sos logos. Oh Ship Sanctums in the set Sanctum Shadows
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Star Alliance, what Star Untamed?
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Sorry? Sorry you you said on tamed, But it's not
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: really untamed. It's been corrected now, but it.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, it is, it's corrected.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: But it was Unfamed, and I really like Unfamed. I
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: wanted to see where Unfamed was going.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: That's the new house is unfair.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: It was Yeah, it's a cross between.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Seeing dalst celebrities that made up an entire.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: All right, the Star Alliance, it has only been good
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: in one set two one? What what?
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: What are your two? I want to hear this argument.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I was thinking World's Code, MM, World's Glide not MM.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, it is. It is adjacently good to MM
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: because it had Curt.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there can be good builds, but.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: I would not call what Star Lions did and Worlds
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: Collide new player friendly.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: No, I would agree with you on that one, which means.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: We're going to get Star Lions from what set?
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Well, you're not going to see oh not Science Officer
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: she heals three wards one.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Medic ingram. I guess it depends if they want to
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: introduce house cheating. They could potentially still keep Kirby, but
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: you're not definitely.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Not because they could keep some play fight reap effects
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: and so.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so like you'll probably see like the Keys class
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: plus three Gal I'm drawing a complete blank on her name.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: You'll get like arms Master Molina. You know, yeah Molina
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: has hazardous or you'll get yeah, she has hazardous, gives
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: her neighbors hazardous. Three Yeah, the car has t Ember
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: tracker maybe.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: Anyways, who knows what we're gonna get, but we get discovered.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: What lot is failing?
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: So bad? Over here?
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: If if they indeed.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Has three farms, Master Malina.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: Did you see the artwork on the Discovery box?
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a ship. Yeah, do you know it?
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: It is a DT specific card ship.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I had to look it up because I
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: was like, look it up. I had some power counters
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: and then yeah, it's Mississtti.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: You had to look up.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like, oh, yeah, there's some bad card
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: that does something stupid.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: And yes, that is what it is. It is bad.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: I can't argue with this, like here it is.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: It's an artifact beast ship the arts kind of yeah.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Action exhaust one or more friendly untamed creatures.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: If you do.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Right, give so you're spending three ember to do this thing.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Spend three ember if you do give the mystery three
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: plus one power counters for each creature exhausted this way,
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: move it anyone in your battle line as a creature
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: with zero power and taunt.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Why you're saying three amber. It says exhausts one or
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: more friendly creature.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: Which means you're not reaping.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Ok no, no, that would be spending one, you're spending
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: one amber uh get a three power three?
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I was reading ahead. So you're spending one
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: or more ember to get a creature that's exhaust.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: The only way this is possibly good is you like
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: have a giant on tame board and you make like
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: a twenty power token. No then waste not no.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: No no, no no, and then you have to do
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: that on the turn. Let me ask the very simple question, Wookie,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: how many times have you played this card? And I
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: played what the mississetti cheap? How many times have you
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: played the mississtti?
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: Ah?
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: How many times have you used the action to actually
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: take that effect?
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: Maybe once?
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Drascore? How many times have you actually used.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: I might have had a tone, I've there you go.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever actioned the Mississetti.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I have never actioned the mississeti either, And I would
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: argue that most individuals who are looking not in a
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: fun manner, but in a competitive manner, are not going
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: to go ahead and use the Mississti. So yes, that
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: is disappointing. My hope for this set is that it
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: does not contain the Mississtti.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: How about that? Well it will Yeah, that would be
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: good at least, but like, I don't know, like it
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: it is slightly wordy, Like I guess it's it's not complicated,
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: but like I don't know to like teach the game
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: and be like, here's a bad thing you could do
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: here have this card.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: So I wonder also because it says it's everything you
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: need to play. But then it also said in the
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: article that you're not getting in rage, you're not getting wards.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: So does that mean the token set isn't coming with
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: any of those tokens eithers So you don't actually have
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: enough to like expand into real key Forge.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Oh maybe maybe it's just umber and keys.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm not terribly worried about and stunn
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: or they say, we don't even get stunned. Enraged Stunner
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: war tokens are not there, So in key Ford Discovery
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: you won't see cards making the use of enraged Stunner Award.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I know there's been some other questions about other keywords
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: that would or would not be included in this set.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I'm curious to see. I'm simply gonna say I have
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: a big giant poster that says bring Mars back. So
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: there you go.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: Bring Mars. I just like a lot of people are going, oh,
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: this is gonna be super strong, It's gonna be like
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: really distilled the better and like this is just reading
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: to me like a bunch of junk creatures.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Well except that they're gonna they're gonna put like control
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: the week in here. They're gonna put yeah, you will
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: not get to control the week of this.
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: There's a chance that they put good cards in the set,
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: but like there's an accident, are they going to have archive,
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: like a is this going to be distilled to the
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: point where it's like.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: I so make the most sense if they just scaled
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: it all back to CODA, right, like not not re
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: release coda, but like you can have cards like what
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: they're doing because I understand, but like if they.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Just they'll put like nine toes into oh my, but like.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: Right, that might be your good card they actually ready
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: on the turn you play it.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: So I know we are joking Tuesday at our locals
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: that we'd like to see at first print run Coda,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: and I think that you'd have people who are going
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: to go out and buy be aware that and you're
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: buying your individual decks that this is intended for the
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: new player. It's not intended for us.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: I think this is tournament legal.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: It is tournament legal. Okay, So here here's the good
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: and bad news.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: You can alliance it.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, that's that that's not good and bad news. Stress.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: There is a real chance that they just totally botch
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: it and they make like something great well like shadows
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: that's like VM twenty four quality shadows. And then they
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: actually put in Brobnar with fight effects and anger and
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: relentless assault and stuff, and they actually like make Brobner
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: able to just make a ton of flight amber. They
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: would potentially make any of these houses and then saying
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: them a job, so yeah that one that one won't be.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: There, and then and then both mark of dis and
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: control the week, right.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: I don't think we'll see that. I think you could
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: see some ridiculous amber pushed. And then the question is
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: our key sheets cord to this game? And do they
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: have a key cheating there? Yes?
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, so.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Not Yoda, but my my, my thought on this announcement
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: coming out this week, because one it was unexpected.
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, totally out of the blue.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I will say that a number of us have been asking,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: requesting for a while that we have a basic set
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: CODA and some people have like, hey, you can always
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: play CODA or AA And the short answer is CODA
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: and AOA are f FG products. They are not g
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: So I think this is that being just and there
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: your star shelf. But this is what I'm saying is
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: to set up in a uh more basic set RBS
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: sets of Discovery. It allows GG to have their base
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: set that they can relate people to, Hey, you want
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: to learn the mechanics, you want to learn the game,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: but not be encumbered by a lot of the mechanics
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: that were seeing from gr and WHOA, then go check
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: out Discovery. I like that aspect. I am excited for
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: that component of Discovery. I hope I go ahead.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, me too.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: I So sorry were just ragging on it, but like,
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: but that we're joking from a competitive standpoint, right, So,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: like and they could make it so it's not fun.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: Hopefully they figured out how to make it fun. So
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: as long as it's a fun set, I think it's
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: gonna be great.
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: Not for us, but you know what, it could actually
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: be a set that's very well designed for them playing
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: into the adventures as well. If it's got less of
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: the really goofy because it's the really goofy stuff that
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: makes the adventures. You can't break them with crazy key
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: cost stuff.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Shan't stop it. Sorry, we need to separate out adventures
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: from the rest of this game. Okay, do not no, no,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: we're not looking at adventures.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: Some some weirdos want to do that. I was just
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: spent the weekend trying to pitch a like Roguelike Legacy
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: key Forge experience where you like, as you're playing, you're
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: developing your back where you'll add and remove cards and
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: like add enhancements. So each game to play with the deck,
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: the decks change a little bit, and you're gonna like
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: build stories into some of your characters because they're gonna
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: be out at the right time and do cool things
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: and enhancements and stuff right Like, I think key Forge
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: would actually be really good with that.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I can't disagree with you. I'm for us how I've
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: seen key Forge, you know, I'm very very staunch in belief.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Here's your deck place.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: I need a reason to not hate Carlo Phantom and fraud.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: He needs to be a hero something.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Carlo Fantom can just be the toss away card there, Okay,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: so I do like that Gigi will now have a
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: a set that can be their base set that is
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: more new player friendly. My request for Gigi please please
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: please get marketing out then to let people.
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: Know, yeah like this this set. Without heavy marketing behind it,
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: I can't justify telling a single store that we go
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: to or play at that they should stock more than
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: one of these. Yeah.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: I told my guy to buy a very small amount.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: They come in cases of twelve. Yeah, thankfully you don't
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: have to buy a case of twelve. You can buy
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: them individually. They retail for twenty bucks now. And the
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: picture they showed us.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: It was two different there's two different products. Right, there's
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: the one player Discovery one player.
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: It showed them as like and then.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Right, so there's that is not a currently.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: Available to order on their site, so I can't order them.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: I can start placing orders for one player starters, but
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: I cannot place orders for the boxes. And I am still,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: based off of this, willing to bat a little bit
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: that this shows up at gen Con.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a discussion point. I don't know.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: They could be printed right now. They could be printum
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: right now.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: I mean CTP might have said last week Hey, guys,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: so we don't have any orders in for for our printer,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: So like, what are we going to do with the
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: printer over the next week that we could bring to
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: gen Con? And so they went in the back room
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: for uh the afternoon, and this is what came out.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: I guarantee that the printer for Artiforge is backed up
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: significantly longer than that Drascore it is out months.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: If not, I mean, I mean maybe they planned planning
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: this for a long time. But but I do think
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: there's some credence too. They're saying they're talking about this now,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: therefore they're working hard to get this printed for gen Con.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: I think they key reay.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: I do agree that they could have had it printed
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: out a long time ago, or they've been working on
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: it for a long time in but I don't think
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: this is hey, we're going to stop the printers in
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: order to go ahead and make discovery sept. What I
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: do want us to be able to understand is that
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: on the negative, what are the printing Well right now
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: you should have all of the orders for amber Skies
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: for two seven I mean.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: I mean that's like seven boxes, so that was done
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: a while ago.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Well, you say that, But the short answer is, when
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: we're looking at all the individual boxes that have or
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: the individual sets that are being released for this year
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: along with Vault Master twenty four, you have quite a
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: few little sets. Now, we made quite a We made
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: some comparisons to a little micro brewery as we were
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: looking at this idea of how many individual sets for
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: the year. But I think it does need to be
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: kept in mind of how many are our main sets?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: And is this the new facet that we're looking at
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: from GG is that these many offsets? Is this something
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: that you guys want to see? I think the Discord
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: community was pretty vocal this week that it was necessarily
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: not something we wanted to see. But I'm curious that
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: the overall group, so.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at other things.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure saying this isn't something we wanted.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: Like I clearly we asked for what look he asked
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: for it. Clearly we asked for this sort of thing. Now,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: now I asked for a Discovery set. I'm telling you
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: that to try and teach gr and woe to someone
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: who's new was trying to go ahead it it was,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: it was It was a very very big endeavor and
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: so right now, if you're having a hey, welcome to
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: key Ford tonight, we have no product that we can
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: really say, here's gg even here's the website to go
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: and check it out. People don't know about key Forging
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: dot com. People don't know about this great game, and
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: so we need to have a product that's a little
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: bit easier to get in their hands, to explain they
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: can walk home with, and then to realize that the
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: game is not dead, but we have a new company
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: that's been running it and we have an amazing community.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: Is this discovery gonna have new cards in it? Or
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: they all reprints?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: It sounded like all reprints.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: Because like the packaging they show shows the picture of
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: a dude that isn't going to be in the set.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: Then the big eyebrows, Yeah that is interesting, Well maybe
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: that is in amber Skies and then they could print
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: it in here because it's a okay, okay, fair, fair,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: I can accept that.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean there is a little bit of
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: because like honestly, with all the stuff that's going on,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, we just put some both cards,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: like they're clearly not really spending much time on testing
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: this right, Like so is there like a risk that
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: there's something super broken in this that like suddenly were.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: It?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: So the amount of time? So I am not a
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: blight tester, right, there's other people who are. And I
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: just thinking about all the different sets that are coming
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: out in a very short period of time. How much
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: testing could they legitimately have done? Do you mean to set?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Do you mean to tell me? This year we've had
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: Grimm Reminders, Amber Skies, Triple M, Talk Discoverage, Vault Master
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: twenty four, and your playtesters also would have worked on
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: the Mars scenario that's coming up.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So and there's there's what one and
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: a half designers that work for the companies, So they
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: aren't even spending that much time, right hmm.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: I mean the idea that a number of aresigner who Steven,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know who our new guy is?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: His name?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: Dam sense like they announced they hired a dude and
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: we haven't heard a single word about that dude.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Well, what's funny is they announced they hired a dude, right,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: and then we started fate where I'm sorry LinkedIn stalking. Yeah,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: we didn't even get a name.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: Did we ever get a name? Besides us Lincoln.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: You know what, and they there's there's been zero mention
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: of them at Vaulteur's or nothing like I've heard. Yeah,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: kind of forgot that guy existed. Yeah, I mean it's
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: it's I mean, he's already just become that. We forgot
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: the guy.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: And then you know, Michael Hurley spends time all right,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: but but at least from my talking with some GG folks,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: it's like it's really sky Jedi full time, right, And
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's another full time designer unless unless
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: I'm wrong.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: No, no, don't work there.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'll check.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: I'll check back for six weeks.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: I hate to tell you cats, there there is no
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: chance this set has anything ridiculous in it, not a
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: shot like I don't know. I mean, I bet you
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: has do fairy great fairy boy, you know that fairy dust.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Nature's call, right, Yeah, I.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Think Nature's call. We're gonna go ahead and throw more
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: complexity and they might throw a knuckles boat. I was
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: gonna say, you you, I don't know what this set
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: is gonna have in it.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: Niffle apes, oh gosh, you're right, it's gonna have nipple apes,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: it's gonna have the whole Niffle army, the whole it's
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: it's gonna have, it's gonna have, and it's gonna have
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: Niffle grounds and Paul, now that's too. Yeah, but there
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: was another really bad Nobody had.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Noticed the ironic nature of this is just men grounds.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: There's the other one, the one that oh no, that
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: wasn't No, that was the pent Gigantic and that was
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: not a Niffle card. It's just in the Niffle value.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: No, nobody is realizing the ironic, ironic nature of all this.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: We're releasing a set right to like kind of go
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: back to basics, right, but yeah, like ironic a little bit.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: But yet we're releasing thirty seven other sets. Yeah, thirty
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: sets there they what do you mean you have ember
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: skies coming out?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: When we went through that one, No, no, I was.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: They have decided that if they print a set, people
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: will buy it. Yeah.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: Clearly that they're like, hey, how much money can you
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: get out of these suckers?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: This said much like this set, like VM takes pretty
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: low developer time, right because it's basically just remix your
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: old cards print hopefully well okay, sure, but it is
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: proved that they can do that pretty effectively because they've
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: made VM twenty three and twenty four and this is
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: just another VM style set.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Right, both of those the style, but it is targeted different.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: They both have one broken house in them.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they which it's unclear if they realized, so
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: this could have three. And then there's then the it's
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: got something.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Because they released one broken house but yet every but
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: don't realize it takes three houses to make any deck decent.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: Does this have logos? It does?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it does.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: Okay, this could be.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: We got lowos. The shadows right could be classic Now.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: When and when they nerve un death potential for four
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 6: even if I do feel like this set is going
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 6: to in in the in the land of Sas is
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: going to like land in the sixty two range, but
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: like it is going to cap at like the seventy
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: eight range, Like that's going to be the high end
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 6: of this set.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Do you think that's how I feel like it's that's
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: being optimistic?
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Are you basing that on the Mississippi or you also
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: think the.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: Low end of this set is going to be like
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: fifty two? Functionally they really go way to any creatures
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: like this, this could be a twenty six Creature deck where.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: You if we know anything from VM twenty four, that's
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: a thing, you know that that has way too many creatures.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: Hey creatures? Okay, well what else we're talking about.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: That's it. That's all we had. Wait to kill it.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: Thanks for.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: Discovery jokes. Was actually watched Discovery to make Discovery joke.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: I did not watch Discovery.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: We Discovery didn't do a Discovery themed escape room at.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: Gen Con, and that was very good. Not gen Con
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: at Vegas, Yes, Vegas, yep, which we forgot to mention
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: in our rundown.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: We had an excellent time there too, that was good.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: Killed it. We actually, I feel like we did too
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: good because we paid our money and then we only
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: got like forty two minutes of Yeah, we like slam slammed.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: Through it, and uh we had a we had a
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: good crew, rock and rolling, all right. It was myself,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: doctor Sheep. We had Sydney there, man and d G.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: We had Miggy, we had snack there and uh we
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: uh we definitely definitely crushed it.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: We rocks it, socks. We did a good job of
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: ignoring the excess information they tried to put in that one.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm yeah, it was very like computer screen interaction y,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: which I just pros and cons, right, like you could
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: do a lot of stuff with.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: Uh you know. Yeah, well, they definitely build it as
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: the more technologically advanced escape room than some of the
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: other ones that they do. I mean it is also
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: Star Trek bassed with Star Trek screen, so you expect
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: a bunch of touchscreen interface.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, we have any other meaningful key
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Forge things to talk about.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: None of us know what we're playing at gen Con.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: No, I know what I'm playing at gen Con.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: I'm playing Seal Than then arn An Alliance.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: Like Keyford.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I am also playing KeyForge, and we'll see
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: how it goes. I'm interested in the turnout.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: Make sure you make sure you're following the the YouTube channel.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: I sure I am going to be a little sad because, uh,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: I won't be there, and I'm sad this week a
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: little bit because a bunch of my friends are at
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: the World Board Gaming Championships and I'm not.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not there either, but there's still time. I have
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: one snuggle buddy position available.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: You just look at add position you.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: Got.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: You just got to apply on my indeed, m that's
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: all deep in the exciting stuff at work. Budget for
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: next year, and it's it's you know, it's a brawl.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: It's always fun.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: You gotta learn some new some new financing terms on
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: how they give you a budget.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: Then they yeah, well here's here's my plants term your spreadsheets. Rog,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: that's my line.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: The spreadsheets, rug.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, well that's gonna do it for us. Again.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Make sure you are watching, pay attention to the YouTube.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: If you're not following less on TikTok, follow so around TikTok.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: I'm sure I'll be doing all the things, all the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: fun and you can see what's going on with KeyForge.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: If they don't have a stream, because I'm guess they
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: don't have a stream. We have a TikTok. We do
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: have a TikTok.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: What TikTok?
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: They should be able to.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: That where we give all our secrets to China.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know that, Yes, I did it help. I
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: guess they haven't had their their vaulture yet, so we'll
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: never know.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: Their so I don't.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: But you have internet, and they have internet, and you
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: gotta have stuff you got people. That place is really noisy.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: If you remember when FFG did it, they like put
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: up a booth.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you don't need the booth. I don't
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: think that it's gonna be noisy no matter what you do.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: But I don't think they would probably pay. I'm sure
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: it is a crazy amount to get a dedicated internet
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: segnal there, and even on that, I don't think.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: You'd be able to do it. So with that being said,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: we'll see y'all next week at people Forging everyone.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: May the Forge be with you.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: Actually, we won't see you next week. I lied to
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: all of you.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: We'll see you in two weeks after gen Conn.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: Actually we might think some of you next week.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: I would say, if we see you, it will be
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: in person because we will be talking.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but by.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: At the same song it's rain Aye.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: Maybe I said no week Jack The History
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: Of Being My Year