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Tommy Dale: Compost, conservation and self care · Blether Together with Farmstrong Scotland

• 0:01
  Welcome
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  to
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  Blether
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  Together
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  from
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  Farmstrong
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  Scotland.
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  I'm
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  Sarah.
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  Stephen.
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  Thanks
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  for
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  being
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  with
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  us.
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  Our
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  chat
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  this
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  time
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  is
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  with
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  Tommy
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  Dale.
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  He's
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  from
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  East
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  Lothian
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  and
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  he's
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  got
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  his
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  fingers
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  and
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  toes
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  in
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  an
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  awful
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  lot
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  of
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  businesses
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  and
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  initiatives.
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  Just
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  don't
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  call
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  him
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  an
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  entrepreneur.
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  I'm
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  dyslexic.
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  I
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  don't
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  even
• 0:22
  know
• 0:22
  how
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  to
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  spell
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  entrepreneur.
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  Tommy's
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  thinking
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  is
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  rooted
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  in
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  farming,
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  but
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  spills
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  out
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  into
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  social
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  enterprise,
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  culture,
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  conservation,
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  charity,
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  his
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  one
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  true
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  love,
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  compost.
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  And
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  his
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  business,
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  producing
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  the
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  only
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  Scottish
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  oat
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  milk
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  on
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  the
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  market.
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  We
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  try
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  and
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  do
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  good
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  whilst
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  making
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  a
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  pound,
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  I
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  suppose,
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  would
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  be
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  the
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  way
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  to
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  do
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  it.
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  He's
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  been
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  so
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  generous
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  in
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  this
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  chat,
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  sharing
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  the
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  difficult
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  lessons
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  he
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  learned
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  when
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  he
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  had
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  a
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  serious
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  mental
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  breakdown
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  a
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  few
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  years
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  ago.
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  You
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  know,
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  one
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  day,
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  just
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  a
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  black
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  cloud
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  came
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  down
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  that
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  just
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  overwhelmed
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  me.
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  They
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  broke
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  me
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  mentally.
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  It
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  was
• 0:59
  unbelievable.
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  It
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  was
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  just
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  so
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  intense.
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  He's
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  a
• 1:02
  ball
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  of
• 1:02
  energy.
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  Here
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  he
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  comes.
• 1:04
  Tommy
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  Dale.
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  Tommy,
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  welcome
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  to
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  the
• 1:07
  Farm
• 1:07
  Strong
• 1:07
  podcast.
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  It
• 1:08
  is
• 1:08
  lovely
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  to
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  have
• 1:09
  you
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  with
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  us.
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  I
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  could
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  see
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  you
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  cringing
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  as
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  we
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  were
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  trying
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  to
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  give
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  you,
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  you
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  know,
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  an
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  ID
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  when
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  you
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  were
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  talking
• 1:14
  there.
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  So
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  East
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  Lothian
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  entrepreneur
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  doesn't
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  work
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  for
• 1:17
  you,
• 1:17
  does
• 1:17
  it?
• 1:17
  Not
• 1:18
  really.
• 1:18
  I'm
• 1:19
  dyslexic.
• 1:19
  I
• 1:19
  don't
• 1:20
  even
• 1:20
  know
• 1:20
  how
• 1:20
  to
• 1:20
  spell
• 1:20
  entrepreneur.
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  Well,
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  thank
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  you
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  for
• 1:23
  joining
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  us.
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  You've
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  had
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  a
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  busy
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  morning,
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  have
• 1:25
  you?
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  Not
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  too
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  bad.
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  It's
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  been
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  relaxing.
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  I've
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  been
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  out
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  with
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  a
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  friend,
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  showing
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  him
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  around
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  a
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  farm
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  along
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  the
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  road.
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  Fraser's.
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  He's
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  in
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  a
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  wheelchair,
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  so
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  he
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  cannot
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  get
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  out
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  and
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  about
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  much
• 1:39
  himself.
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  So
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  we're
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  on
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  a
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  mission
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  to
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  visit
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  every
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  farm
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  in
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  East
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  Lothian.
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  So
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  every
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  fortnight
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  we
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  go
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  and
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  see
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  a
• 1:44
  different
• 1:45
  farmer
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  and
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  get
• 1:46
  them
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  into
• 1:46
  Fraser's
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  van
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  and
• 1:47
  we
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  interview
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  them.
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  So
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  it's
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  now
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  it's
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  my
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  turn
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  to
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  be
• 1:50
  interviewed,
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  so
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  it
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  would
• 1:51
  seem.
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  What
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  was
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  your
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  takeaway
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  from
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  this
• 1:53
  morning's
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  tour?
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  Fresh
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  set
• 1:57
  of
• 1:57
  eyes.
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  So
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  the
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  lovely
• 2:00
  lady
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  farmer
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  and
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  her
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  husband,
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  they've
• 2:02
  been
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  down
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  south
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  for
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  a
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  long
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  time.
• 2:03
  He's
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  from
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  down
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  south.
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  They've
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  moved
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  back
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  to
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  the
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  family
• 2:05
  farm
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  and
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  they've
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  sort
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  of
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  taken
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  a
• 2:08
  look
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  at
• 2:08
  the
• 2:08
  business
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  and
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  they're
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  making
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  lots
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  of
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  changes
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  and
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  they're
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  doing
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  great
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  things,
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  really
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  into
• 2:12
  the
• 2:13
  environment.
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  They've
• 2:13
  got
• 2:14
  a
• 2:14
  social
• 2:14
  twist,
• 2:14
  getting
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  folk
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  onto
• 2:15
  the
• 2:15
  farm,
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  helping
• 2:16
  plant
• 2:16
  hedges
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  and
• 2:17
  we
• 2:17
  campsite.
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  No,
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  it's
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  great.
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  Well,
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  I'm
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  sure
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  Fraser
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  loves
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  his
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  time
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  with
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  you
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  and
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  we'll
• 2:22
  come
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  back
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  to
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  that
• 2:23
  giving
• 2:23
  back
• 2:23
  later
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  on
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  in
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  the
• 2:24
  chat.
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  But
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  I
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  typically
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  start
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  these
• 2:26
  chats
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  with
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  a
• 2:27
  bit
• 2:27
  of
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  a
• 2:28
  rapid
• 2:28
  fire
• 2:29
  question
• 2:29
  round.
• 2:29
  Are
• 2:29
  you
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  up
• 2:30
  for
• 2:30
  that?
• 2:30
  Yeah.
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  Okay,
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  so
• 2:31
  it's
• 2:31
  just
• 2:31
  one
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  word
• 2:32
  answers,
• 2:32
  whatever
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  comes
• 2:33
  to
• 2:33
  mind.
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  If
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  you
• 2:34
  were
• 2:34
  to
• 2:34
  be
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  a
• 2:35
  sport
• 2:35
  in
• 2:35
  the
• 2:35
  Winter
• 2:36
  Olympics,
• 2:36
  which
• 2:36
  sport
• 2:37
  would
• 2:37
  it
• 2:37
  be?
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  Oh,
• 2:39
  the
• 2:39
  one
• 2:39
  that
• 2:39
  jumps
• 2:40
  off
• 2:40
  the
• 2:40
  big
• 2:42
  ski
• 2:42
  jump
• 2:42
  is
• 2:43
  this.
• 2:43
  I
• 2:43
  don't
• 2:43
  know
• 2:43
  what
• 2:43
  it's
• 2:43
  called.
• 2:44
  Eddie
• 2:45
  Eagle.
• 2:45
  I
• 2:45
  would
• 2:45
  be
• 2:45
  Eddie
• 2:45
  Eagle
• 2:46
  Mark
• 2:46
  too.
• 2:47
  Eddie
• 2:47
  the
• 2:47
  Eagle
• 2:47
  Mark
• 2:48
  Two.
• 2:48
  All
• 2:48
  looks
• 2:48
  pretty
• 2:49
  scary
• 2:49
  when
• 2:49
  they
• 2:49
  go
• 2:49
  up
• 2:50
  high
• 2:50
  and
• 2:50
  they
• 2:50
  jump
• 2:50
  off
• 2:50
  these
• 2:51
  things,
• 2:51
  doesn't
• 2:51
  it?
• 2:51
  Okay,
• 2:51
  what's
• 2:52
  the.
• 2:52
  What's
• 2:52
  the
• 2:52
  first
• 2:52
  thing
• 2:53
  you
• 2:53
  do
• 2:53
  in
• 2:53
  the
• 2:53
  morning?
• 2:54
  Think
• 2:55
  about
• 2:55
  how
• 2:56
  I'm
• 2:56
  going
• 2:56
  to
• 2:56
  spend
• 2:56
  the
• 2:57
  day.
• 2:58
  What
• 2:58
  is
• 2:59
  the
• 2:59
  favorite
• 2:59
  thing
• 2:59
  about
• 2:59
  your
• 3:00
  job?
• 3:01
  The
• 3:01
  flexibility,
• 3:02
  the
• 3:03
  variation.
• 3:04
  Would
• 3:04
  you
• 3:04
  rather
• 3:05
  always
• 3:05
  be
• 3:05
  underdressed
• 3:06
  or
• 3:07
  always
• 3:07
  be
• 3:07
  overdressed?
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  Oh,
• 3:09
  you've
• 3:09
  obviously
• 3:10
  never
• 3:10
  met
• 3:10
  me
• 3:10
  before.
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  I'm
• 3:11
  an
• 3:11
  absolute
• 3:12
  scruff.
• 3:12
  So,
• 3:13
  yeah,
• 3:13
  underdressed.
• 3:14
  One
• 3:15
  subject.
• 3:15
  Well,
• 3:16
  I
• 3:16
  mean
• 3:16
  that
• 3:16
  carries
• 3:17
  on
• 3:17
  to
• 3:17
  this
• 3:17
  question.
• 3:18
  One
• 3:18
  subject
• 3:18
  you
• 3:18
  would
• 3:18
  like
• 3:19
  to
• 3:19
  learn
• 3:19
  more
• 3:19
  about.
• 3:22
  Compost.
• 3:23
  What
• 3:23
  do
• 3:23
  you
• 3:24
  think
• 3:24
  people
• 3:24
  misunderstand
• 3:25
  about
• 3:25
  you?
• 3:27
  They
• 3:27
  maybe
• 3:28
  think
• 3:28
  I'm
• 3:28
  cleverer
• 3:29
  than
• 3:29
  I
• 3:29
  am
• 3:29
  or
• 3:30
  no,
• 3:30
  richer.
• 3:30
  They
• 3:31
  think
• 3:31
  I'm
• 3:31
  richer.
• 3:31
  People
• 3:32
  tell
• 3:32
  me
• 3:32
  you
• 3:32
  must
• 3:32
  be
• 3:33
  a
• 3:33
  millionaire
• 3:33
  all
• 3:33
  the
• 3:33
  time.
• 3:34
  I
• 3:34
  says,
• 3:34
  you've
• 3:34
  got
• 3:34
  no
• 3:35
  idea.
• 3:35
  And
• 3:36
  they
• 3:36
  don't.
• 3:36
  Okay,
• 3:36
  well,
• 3:37
  that's
• 3:37
  it.
• 3:37
  So
• 3:37
  you're
• 3:37
  not
• 3:37
  a
• 3:37
  millionaire?
• 3:40
  No.
• 3:40
  We've
• 3:40
  got
• 3:41
  a
• 3:41
  lot
• 3:42
  of
• 3:42
  finance
• 3:42
  agreements.
• 3:43
  Yeah,
• 3:43
  I
• 3:43
  think
• 3:44
  is
• 3:44
  that
• 3:44
  that's
• 3:44
  the
• 3:45
  case
• 3:45
  probably
• 3:45
  across
• 3:45
  the
• 3:46
  board
• 3:46
  when
• 3:46
  it
• 3:46
  comes
• 3:46
  to
• 3:46
  farming.
• 3:47
  Well,
• 3:47
  Tommy,
• 3:47
  well
• 3:47
  done.
• 3:48
  You're
• 3:48
  few.
• 3:48
  Few.
• 3:49
  You
• 3:49
  can
• 3:49
  breathe
• 3:49
  a
• 3:49
  sigh
• 3:49
  of
• 3:49
  relief.
• 3:50
  It's
• 3:50
  over.
• 3:51
  So
• 3:51
  to.
• 3:53
  I
• 3:53
  was
• 3:53
  looking
• 3:53
  at
• 3:54
  what
• 3:54
  you
• 3:54
  do
• 3:55
  and
• 3:55
  I
• 3:56
  thought,
• 3:56
  well,
• 3:56
  rather
• 3:56
  than
• 3:56
  me
• 3:57
  list
• 3:57
  it,
• 3:57
  I
• 3:57
  thought
• 3:57
  it'd
• 3:57
  be
• 3:57
  better
• 3:58
  if
• 3:58
  you
• 3:58
  gave
• 3:59
  us
• 3:59
  a
• 3:59
  brief
• 3:59
  outline.
• 4:00
  If
• 4:00
  someone
• 4:00
  said,
• 4:01
  tommy,
• 4:01
  what
• 4:01
  do
• 4:01
  you
• 4:02
  do?
• 4:02
  Just
• 4:02
  tell
• 4:03
  me
• 4:03
  a
• 4:03
  bit
• 4:03
  about
• 4:03
  what
• 4:04
  do
• 4:04
  you
• 4:04
  do?
• 4:05
  We
• 4:06
  try
• 4:06
  and
• 4:06
  do
• 4:06
  good
• 4:06
  whilst
• 4:07
  making
• 4:07
  a
• 4:07
  pound,
• 4:08
  I
• 4:09
  suppose
• 4:09
  would
• 4:09
  be
• 4:09
  the
• 4:10
  way
• 4:10
  to
• 4:10
  do
• 4:10
  it.
• 4:10
  I
• 4:11
  mean,
• 4:12
  I'm
• 4:12
  an
• 4:12
  environmentalist
• 4:13
  at
• 4:13
  heart.
• 4:14
  So
• 4:14
  everything's
• 4:15
  about
• 4:15
  what
• 4:15
  we
• 4:15
  can
• 4:16
  do
• 4:16
  to
• 4:16
  sort
• 4:16
  of
• 4:17
  help
• 4:17
  the
• 4:17
  countryside
• 4:18
  and
• 4:18
  the
• 4:19
  environment,
• 4:19
  nature.
• 4:20
  And
• 4:21
  then
• 4:21
  I'm
• 4:22
  a
• 4:22
  great
• 4:22
  believer
• 4:22
  that
• 4:23
  if
• 4:23
  nature's
• 4:24
  going
• 4:24
  to
• 4:24
  thrive,
• 4:24
  humanity
• 4:25
  needs
• 4:25
  to
• 4:25
  too.
• 4:26
  So
• 4:26
  we
• 4:27
  have
• 4:27
  a
• 4:27
  social
• 4:27
  twist.
• 4:28
  You
• 4:28
  can't
• 4:29
  expect
• 4:29
  the
• 4:30
  Hebridean
• 4:30
  folk
• 4:31
  to
• 4:31
  look
• 4:31
  after
• 4:31
  the
• 4:31
  corn
• 4:31
  creeks
• 4:32
  if
• 4:32
  they
• 4:32
  can't
• 4:33
  heat
• 4:33
  their
• 4:33
  houses,
• 4:34
  or
• 4:34
  the
• 4:34
  African
• 4:34
  villagers
• 4:35
  to
• 4:35
  look
• 4:35
  after
• 4:36
  rhinos
• 4:36
  if
• 4:36
  they
• 4:36
  can't
• 4:36
  feed
• 4:37
  their
• 4:37
  children.
• 4:38
  So
• 4:38
  I'm
• 4:39
  just
• 4:39
  very
• 4:39
  interested
• 4:40
  in
• 4:41
  how
• 4:41
  nature
• 4:42
  and
• 4:42
  humanity
• 4:43
  get
• 4:43
  along
• 4:43
  with
• 4:44
  each
• 4:44
  other.
• 4:45
  Where
• 4:45
  did
• 4:45
  that
• 4:46
  impetus
• 4:47
  come
• 4:47
  from?
• 4:48
  I've
• 4:48
  always
• 4:50
  loved
• 4:50
  Nature
• 4:51
  can
• 4:51
  remember
• 4:51
  being
• 4:52
  at
• 4:52
  primary
• 4:52
  school
• 4:52
  and
• 4:53
  you
• 4:53
  know,
• 4:53
  that
• 4:54
  was
• 4:54
  just
• 4:54
  the
• 4:54
  only
• 4:54
  thing
• 4:55
  that's
• 4:55
  ever
• 4:55
  really
• 4:55
  interested
• 4:56
  me.
• 4:56
  Right
• 4:56
  the
• 4:56
  way
• 4:56
  through
• 4:57
  that.
• 4:58
  Well,
• 4:58
  and
• 4:58
  farming,
• 4:58
  I
• 4:59
  love
• 4:59
  farming.
• 5:00
  So
• 5:00
  did
• 5:01
  you
• 5:01
  always
• 5:02
  know
• 5:02
  you
• 5:02
  were
• 5:02
  going
• 5:02
  to
• 5:03
  farm?
• 5:04
  Well,
• 5:04
  I'm
• 5:04
  not
• 5:04
  really
• 5:04
  a
• 5:05
  farmer,
• 5:05
  I'm
• 5:05
  a
• 5:05
  composter.
• 5:06
  You
• 5:07
  would
• 5:07
  dabble
• 5:07
  in
• 5:07
  a
• 5:08
  little
• 5:08
  bit
• 5:08
  of
• 5:08
  farming
• 5:08
  on
• 5:08
  the
• 5:09
  side,
• 5:09
  but
• 5:09
  I
• 5:09
  always
• 5:09
  wanted
• 5:10
  to
• 5:10
  be
• 5:10
  a
• 5:10
  farmer.
• 5:11
  So
• 5:11
  how.
• 5:11
  Tell
• 5:12
  me
• 5:12
  a
• 5:12
  bit
• 5:12
  about
• 5:12
  Tommy,
• 5:13
  the
• 5:13
  wee
• 5:14
  lad
• 5:14
  growing
• 5:14
  up.
• 5:15
  What
• 5:15
  was
• 5:15
  your
• 5:16
  childhood
• 5:16
  like?
• 5:17
  Oh,
• 5:17
  it
• 5:17
  was
• 5:17
  amazing.
• 5:19
  Just
• 5:19
  living.
• 5:19
  Live
• 5:20
  at
• 5:20
  a
• 5:20
  place
• 5:20
  called
• 5:20
  Seacliffe,
• 5:21
  which
• 5:21
  is
• 5:22
  just
• 5:22
  where
• 5:22
  the
• 5:23
  first,
• 5:23
  the
• 5:23
  fourth
• 5:23
  meets
• 5:24
  the
• 5:24
  North
• 5:24
  Sea.
• 5:25
  My
• 5:25
  mum's
• 5:26
  got
• 5:26
  equine
• 5:26
  compulsive
• 5:27
  disorder
• 5:28
  so
• 5:28
  ponies
• 5:29
  were
• 5:29
  a
• 5:29
  big
• 5:30
  part
• 5:30
  of
• 5:30
  life,
• 5:30
  you
• 5:31
  know,
• 5:31
  galloping
• 5:31
  around
• 5:31
  ponies.
• 5:32
  And
• 5:33
  my
• 5:33
  dad's
• 5:33
  been
• 5:34
  involved
• 5:34
  in
• 5:34
  shellfish,
• 5:35
  so
• 5:35
  it
• 5:35
  was
• 5:35
  like
• 5:36
  catching
• 5:36
  lobsters
• 5:37
  off
• 5:37
  the
• 5:37
  rocks.
• 5:37
  So
• 5:38
  sort
• 5:38
  of
• 5:38
  a
• 5:38
  bit
• 5:39
  of
• 5:39
  a
• 5:39
  weird
• 5:39
  hybrid
• 5:40
  between
• 5:40
  fishing
• 5:41
  and
• 5:41
  farming.
• 5:42
  And
• 5:42
  then
• 5:42
  I
• 5:42
  got
• 5:42
  a
• 5:42
  chainsaw
• 5:43
  of
• 5:43
  16,
• 5:43
  got
• 5:44
  into
• 5:44
  timber,
• 5:45
  so
• 5:45
  a
• 5:45
  lot
• 5:46
  of,
• 5:46
  lot
• 5:46
  of
• 5:46
  cutting
• 5:47
  trees
• 5:47
  down
• 5:47
  as
• 5:47
  well.
• 5:47
  When
• 5:48
  I
• 5:48
  was
• 5:48
  a
• 5:48
  wee,
• 5:49
  we
• 5:49
  were
• 5:49
  older,
• 5:49
  you
• 5:50
  know,
• 5:50
  sort
• 5:50
  of
• 5:50
  17
• 5:51
  and
• 5:51
  yeah,
• 5:52
  just
• 5:52
  great,
• 5:52
  great
• 5:52
  fun.
• 5:53
  Loved
• 5:53
  it.
• 5:53
  And
• 5:53
  now
• 5:54
  my
• 5:54
  kids
• 5:54
  are
• 5:54
  getting
• 5:54
  to
• 5:55
  enjoy.
• 5:55
  Grew
• 5:55
  up
• 5:55
  in
• 5:55
  the
• 5:55
  same
• 5:56
  place
• 5:56
  too.
• 5:56
  Did
• 5:57
  you
• 5:57
  always
• 5:57
  have
• 5:57
  a
• 5:57
  clear
• 5:58
  vision,
• 5:58
  a
• 5:58
  clear
• 5:59
  path?
• 6:00
  Not
• 6:00
  really.
• 6:01
  All
• 6:01
  I
• 6:01
  knew
• 6:02
  was
• 6:02
  that
• 6:02
  I
• 6:02
  wanted
• 6:02
  to
• 6:03
  be
• 6:03
  a
• 6:03
  farmer
• 6:04
  and
• 6:04
  helping
• 6:05
  uncles
• 6:06
  on
• 6:06
  the
• 6:06
  farm.
• 6:07
  Went
• 6:07
  to
• 6:07
  agriculture
• 6:08
  college
• 6:08
  and
• 6:08
  then
• 6:09
  became
• 6:09
  a
• 6:09
  composter
• 6:10
  instead.
• 6:11
  So
• 6:11
  tell
• 6:11
  me,
• 6:11
  come
• 6:11
  on,
• 6:12
  just
• 6:12
  expand
• 6:12
  on
• 6:12
  that
• 6:13
  a
• 6:13
  little
• 6:13
  bit.
• 6:13
  You're
• 6:13
  not,
• 6:13
  you
• 6:14
  know,
• 6:14
  there's
• 6:14
  a
• 6:14
  lot,
• 6:15
  you're
• 6:15
  involved
• 6:15
  in
• 6:16
  a
• 6:17
  lot
• 6:17
  and
• 6:17
  you've
• 6:17
  got
• 6:17
  a
• 6:17
  lot
• 6:18
  of
• 6:18
  fingers
• 6:18
  in
• 6:18
  a
• 6:19
  lot
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  pie.
• 6:19
  So
• 6:19
  just
• 6:20
  tell
• 6:20
  us
• 6:20
  a
• 6:20
  little
• 6:20
  bit
• 6:21
  about
• 6:22
  what
• 6:22
  you're
• 6:23
  involved
• 6:23
  in.
• 6:24
  So
• 6:24
  fourth,
• 6:25
  resource
• 6:25
  management.
• 6:26
  That's
• 6:26
  the
• 6:27
  business
• 6:27
  that
• 6:27
  pays
• 6:28
  my
• 6:28
  salary
• 6:29
  and
• 6:29
  we're
• 6:29
  a
• 6:29
  resource
• 6:30
  management
• 6:30
  company
• 6:31
  based
• 6:31
  across
• 6:32
  southern
• 6:32
  Scotland
• 6:33
  and
• 6:34
  that
• 6:34
  is
• 6:35
  mainly
• 6:35
  composting,
• 6:36
  but
• 6:36
  we
• 6:36
  also
• 6:36
  do
• 6:36
  a
• 6:37
  bit
• 6:37
  with
• 6:37
  aggregates
• 6:38
  and
• 6:38
  wood
• 6:38
  and
• 6:38
  biomass
• 6:39
  and
• 6:39
  different
• 6:39
  materials.
• 6:40
  And
• 6:41
  I
• 6:41
  started
• 6:41
  ephrem.
• 6:42
  I
• 6:42
  was
• 6:42
  at
• 6:42
  college
• 6:43
  at
• 6:43
  the
• 6:43
  Scottish
• 6:44
  Agricultural
• 6:44
  College.
• 6:44
  It
• 6:45
  was
• 6:45
  a
• 6:45
  college
• 6:45
  project
• 6:46
  back
• 6:47
  in
• 6:47
  2002
• 6:48
  and
• 6:48
  over
• 6:48
  the
• 6:49
  years
• 6:49
  we've
• 6:49
  built
• 6:49
  up
• 6:49
  our
• 6:50
  Caledonian
• 6:51
  horticulture
• 6:51
  range
• 6:52
  of
• 6:52
  peat
• 6:52
  free
• 6:53
  products.
• 6:53
  So
• 6:54
  a
• 6:54
  lot
• 6:54
  of
• 6:54
  that's
• 6:55
  sold
• 6:55
  online.
• 6:55
  It's
• 6:56
  also
• 6:56
  sold
• 6:56
  through
• 6:57
  landscapers
• 6:58
  and
• 6:58
  a
• 6:58
  few
• 6:58
  little
• 6:59
  garden
• 6:59
  centers,
• 6:59
  but
• 7:00
  mainly
• 7:00
  through
• 7:00
  our
• 7:00
  online
• 7:01
  Caledonian
• 7:02
  horticulture
• 7:02
  website.
• 7:03
  And
• 7:04
  then
• 7:04
  alongside
• 7:05
  that
• 7:05
  we've
• 7:05
  tried
• 7:06
  different
• 7:06
  things
• 7:06
  over
• 7:07
  the
• 7:07
  years.
• 7:07
  Some
• 7:07
  have
• 7:08
  been
• 7:08
  successful,
• 7:09
  lots
• 7:09
  of
• 7:09
  them
• 7:09
  haven't.
• 7:11
  Timber,
• 7:11
  haulage,
• 7:12
  farm
• 7:12
  shops.
• 7:14
  I'm
• 7:14
  looking
• 7:14
  at
• 7:15
  one
• 7:15
  of
• 7:15
  our
• 7:15
  newer
• 7:16
  projects,
• 7:16
  although
• 7:16
  I
• 7:16
  say
• 7:17
  new
• 7:17
  it's
• 7:17
  taken
• 7:17
  us
• 7:17
  seven
• 7:17
  years
• 7:18
  to
• 7:18
  get
• 7:18
  this
• 7:18
  far.
• 7:18
  Which
• 7:19
  is
• 7:19
  the
• 7:19
  mighty
• 7:20
  Brose
• 7:20
  oat
• 7:21
  milk.
• 7:21
  Scotland's
• 7:22
  only
• 7:22
  oat
• 7:22
  milk.
• 7:22
  And
• 7:23
  Scotland,
• 7:23
  as
• 7:24
  we
• 7:24
  all
• 7:24
  know,
• 7:24
  is
• 7:25
  famous
• 7:25
  for
• 7:25
  oats.
• 7:26
  And
• 7:26
  brose
• 7:27
  is
• 7:27
  a
• 7:27
  modern
• 7:28
  twist
• 7:28
  on
• 7:28
  an
• 7:28
  old
• 7:29
  drink.
• 7:29
  You
• 7:29
  know,
• 7:29
  brose
• 7:30
  was
• 7:30
  made
• 7:30
  in
• 7:30
  farmhouses
• 7:31
  across
• 7:31
  Scotland
• 7:32
  for
• 7:32
  hundreds
• 7:33
  of
• 7:33
  years
• 7:33
  back
• 7:34
  in
• 7:34
  the
• 7:34
  day
• 7:34
  of,
• 7:35
  you
• 7:35
  know,
• 7:35
  the
• 7:35
  horse,
• 7:36
  really,
• 7:36
  and
• 7:37
  the
• 7:37
  oxen,
• 7:38
  and
• 7:38
  when
• 7:38
  folk
• 7:39
  were
• 7:39
  needing
• 7:39
  to
• 7:39
  be
• 7:40
  hydrated
• 7:40
  in
• 7:40
  hot
• 7:41
  harvesters,
• 7:41
  a
• 7:41
  brose
• 7:42
  was
• 7:42
  made
• 7:42
  of
• 7:42
  water
• 7:43
  and
• 7:43
  oats
• 7:44
  and
• 7:44
  honey.
• 7:45
  The
• 7:45
  ice
• 7:46
  had
• 7:46
  taken
• 7:46
  out
• 7:46
  to
• 7:46
  the
• 7:46
  farm
• 7:46
  work.
• 7:48
  Oat
• 7:48
  milk
• 7:48
  is
• 7:49
  part
• 7:49
  of
• 7:49
  it.
• 7:50
  There's
• 7:50
  quite
• 7:50
  a
• 7:50
  lot
• 7:50
  of
• 7:51
  charitable
• 7:51
  stuff
• 7:51
  as
• 7:51
  well.
• 7:51
  We've
• 7:52
  got
• 7:52
  an
• 7:52
  environmental
• 7:53
  charity
• 7:53
  called
• 7:53
  Balance
• 7:54
  Horizon.
• 7:55
  We've
• 7:55
  got
• 7:56
  various
• 7:56
  projects
• 7:57
  that
• 7:57
  form
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  pillars
• 7:59
  of
• 7:59
  our
• 7:59
  community
• 7:59
  that
• 8:00
  we're
• 8:00
  building
• 8:00
  around
• 8:01
  that
• 8:01
  work.
• 8:01
  We've
• 8:01
  got
• 8:02
  Scottish
• 8:02
  Coastal
• 8:02
  Cleanup,
• 8:03
  where
• 8:03
  we're
• 8:04
  busy
• 8:04
  cleaning
• 8:05
  up
• 8:05
  all
• 8:05
  the
• 8:05
  coastline.
• 8:06
  Scotland.
• 8:07
  I'll
• 8:07
  just
• 8:07
  show
• 8:08
  you.
• 8:08
  I've
• 8:08
  got.
• 8:08
  Talking
• 8:08
  of
• 8:08
  props,
• 8:10
  my
• 8:10
  birds
• 8:11
  have
• 8:11
  never
• 8:11
  been
• 8:11
  on
• 8:11
  a
• 8:11
  podcast
• 8:12
  before.
• 8:12
  I
• 8:12
  do
• 8:12
  a
• 8:12
  lot
• 8:12
  of
• 8:13
  talks
• 8:13
  and
• 8:13
  these
• 8:13
  birds
• 8:14
  have
• 8:14
  been
• 8:14
  all
• 8:14
  sorts
• 8:14
  of
• 8:15
  places,
• 8:15
  but
• 8:15
  they've
• 8:16
  never
• 8:16
  actually
• 8:17
  been
• 8:17
  on
• 8:17
  a
• 8:17
  podcast.
• 8:18
  They're
• 8:18
  a
• 8:18
  pair
• 8:19
  of.
• 8:19
  A
• 8:19
  pair
• 8:20
  of
• 8:20
  guillemots.
• 8:20
  Yeah,
• 8:21
  yeah,
• 8:22
  yeah.
• 8:23
  So
• 8:23
  this
• 8:23
  guillemot
• 8:23
  here,
• 8:24
  sadly
• 8:25
  got
• 8:25
  caught
• 8:25
  up
• 8:26
  in
• 8:26
  a
• 8:26
  face
• 8:26
  mask
• 8:27
  in
• 8:27
  Covid,
• 8:28
  a
• 8:28
  tartan
• 8:29
  reusable
• 8:29
  face
• 8:30
  mask,
• 8:30
  and
• 8:30
  was
• 8:31
  pulling
• 8:31
  it
• 8:31
  round
• 8:31
  the
• 8:32
  Firth
• 8:32
  of
• 8:32
  Forth
• 8:33
  like
• 8:33
  a
• 8:33
  parachute
• 8:34
  until
• 8:34
  it
• 8:34
  starved
• 8:34
  to
• 8:34
  death.
• 8:35
  And
• 8:35
  this
• 8:36
  one
• 8:37
  got
• 8:37
  caught
• 8:37
  up
• 8:38
  in
• 8:38
  some
• 8:39
  fishing
• 8:39
  net
• 8:40
  and
• 8:40
  then
• 8:40
  it
• 8:41
  starved
• 8:41
  to
• 8:41
  death
• 8:42
  as
• 8:42
  well.
• 8:42
  And
• 8:43
  that's
• 8:43
  horrific.
• 8:44
  And
• 8:44
  the
• 8:44
  fact
• 8:45
  that's
• 8:45
  happening
• 8:46
  by
• 8:46
  the
• 8:46
  Bass
• 8:46
  Rock,
• 8:47
  which
• 8:47
  is
• 8:47
  one
• 8:47
  of
• 8:47
  David
• 8:47
  Attenborough's
• 8:48
  12
• 8:48
  wildlife
• 8:49
  funds
• 8:49
  of
• 8:49
  the
• 8:49
  World,
• 8:50
  I
• 8:50
  thought,
• 8:50
  you
• 8:50
  know,
• 8:50
  we
• 8:50
  can't
• 8:51
  have
• 8:51
  that.
• 8:51
  So
• 8:52
  we
• 8:52
  started
• 8:52
  the
• 8:52
  Scottish
• 8:53
  Coastal
• 8:53
  Cleanup
• 8:53
  with
• 8:53
  the
• 8:54
  intention
• 8:54
  of
• 8:54
  removing
• 8:55
  70%
• 8:56
  of
• 8:56
  the
• 8:56
  detritus
• 8:57
  from
• 8:57
  around
• 8:58
  Scotland
• 8:58
  in
• 8:58
  five
• 8:58
  years,
• 9:00
  which,
• 9:00
  it
• 9:01
  turns
• 9:01
  out
• 9:01
  was
• 9:01
  completely
• 9:02
  ridiculous,
• 9:02
  because
• 9:02
  Scotland's
• 9:03
  got
• 9:03
  the
• 9:03
  longest
• 9:04
  coastline
• 9:04
  in
• 9:04
  Europe
• 9:05
  and
• 9:05
  the
• 9:06
  rubbish
• 9:06
  on
• 9:06
  the
• 9:06
  west
• 9:07
  coast
• 9:07
  is
• 9:07
  far,
• 9:08
  far
• 9:08
  worse
• 9:08
  in
• 9:08
  many
• 9:09
  places
• 9:09
  than
• 9:09
  east
• 9:09
  coast.
• 9:10
  So
• 9:11
  we
• 9:11
  might
• 9:11
  get
• 9:11
  it
• 9:12
  done
• 9:12
  in
• 9:12
  50
• 9:12
  years,
• 9:12
  but
• 9:13
  we're
• 9:13
  on
• 9:13
  the
• 9:13
  case.
• 9:14
  We've
• 9:15
  also
• 9:15
  got
• 9:15
  a
• 9:15
  lobster
• 9:16
  hatchery,
• 9:17
  Scotland's
• 9:17
  only
• 9:18
  lobster
• 9:18
  hatchery.
• 9:19
  So
• 9:19
  we
• 9:19
  put
• 9:20
  lots
• 9:20
  of
• 9:20
  lobsters
• 9:21
  back
• 9:21
  into
• 9:21
  the
• 9:21
  sea,
• 9:22
  but
• 9:22
  we're
• 9:22
  now
• 9:23
  going
• 9:23
  to
• 9:23
  native
• 9:23
  oysters.
• 9:24
  So
• 9:24
  we're
• 9:24
  going
• 9:24
  to
• 9:24
  be
• 9:25
  rebuilding,
• 9:25
  hopefully
• 9:26
  working
• 9:26
  with.
• 9:26
  We're
• 9:26
  working
• 9:27
  with
• 9:27
  WWF
• 9:27
  and
• 9:28
  Hero
• 9:28
  University
• 9:29
  to
• 9:30
  rebuild
• 9:30
  the
• 9:31
  lost
• 9:31
  ancient
• 9:32
  oyster
• 9:33
  beds
• 9:33
  that
• 9:33
  were
• 9:34
  off
• 9:35
  the
• 9:35
  city
• 9:35
  of
• 9:35
  Edinburgh,
• 9:35
  the
• 9:36
  first
• 9:36
  of
• 9:36
  fourth.
• 9:36
  They
• 9:36
  were
• 9:36
  20
• 9:37
  miles
• 9:37
  long,
• 9:37
  up
• 9:38
  to
• 9:38
  six
• 9:38
  miles
• 9:38
  wide,
• 9:39
  and
• 9:39
  they
• 9:40
  were
• 9:40
  one
• 9:40
  of
• 9:40
  the
• 9:41
  first
• 9:41
  fisheries
• 9:41
  ever
• 9:42
  fished
• 9:42
  to
• 9:42
  extinction
• 9:43
  by.
• 9:44
  So
• 9:44
  we're
• 9:45
  trying
• 9:45
  to
• 9:45
  get
• 9:45
  them
• 9:46
  back
• 9:46
  on
• 9:46
  the
• 9:46
  go,
• 9:47
  which
• 9:47
  is.
• 9:47
  That's
• 9:47
  the
• 9:47
  biggie
• 9:48
  project
• 9:49
  and
• 9:49
  there's
• 9:49
  a
• 9:49
  few
• 9:49
  other
• 9:50
  bits
• 9:50
  and
• 9:50
  pieces.
• 9:50
  It
• 9:50
  sounds
• 9:51
  exhausting
• 9:51
  to
• 9:51
  be
• 9:52
  honest,
• 9:52
  Tommy.
• 9:52
  I
• 9:53
  mean,
• 9:53
  who
• 9:54
  sits
• 9:54
  alongside
• 9:55
  you?
• 9:55
  Who's
• 9:56
  sharing
• 9:56
  that
• 9:56
  vision
• 9:57
  with
• 9:57
  you?
• 9:57
  Oh,
• 9:58
  the
• 9:58
  most
• 9:58
  incredible
• 9:59
  bunch
• 9:59
  of
• 9:59
  people.
• 10:00
  They
• 10:00
  are
• 10:00
  amazing.
• 10:01
  I
• 10:02
  was
• 10:02
  told
• 10:02
  a
• 10:02
  long
• 10:02
  time
• 10:02
  ago
• 10:03
  you
• 10:03
  should
• 10:03
  surround
• 10:03
  yourself
• 10:03
  by
• 10:04
  people
• 10:04
  that
• 10:04
  are
• 10:04
  much
• 10:04
  better
• 10:05
  at
• 10:05
  things
• 10:06
  than
• 10:06
  you
• 10:06
  are.
• 10:06
  And
• 10:07
  I
• 10:07
  think
• 10:08
  that's
• 10:08
  probably
• 10:08
  where
• 10:08
  I've,
• 10:10
  you
• 10:10
  know,
• 10:10
  be
• 10:10
  most
• 10:11
  successful,
• 10:11
  to
• 10:11
  be
• 10:11
  honest,
• 10:12
  because
• 10:12
  I'm
• 10:13
  really,
• 10:13
  you
• 10:13
  know,
• 10:13
  I
• 10:14
  don't
• 10:14
  know
• 10:14
  how
• 10:14
  most
• 10:15
  things
• 10:15
  in
• 10:15
  what
• 10:15
  we
• 10:16
  do
• 10:16
  work.
• 10:17
  I
• 10:17
  spend
• 10:17
  most
• 10:18
  of
• 10:18
  my
• 10:18
  time
• 10:18
  just
• 10:18
  picking
• 10:18
  up
• 10:18
  bits
• 10:19
  of
• 10:19
  rubbish
• 10:19
  and
• 10:19
  talking
• 10:19
  to
• 10:20
  folk
• 10:20
  and
• 10:20
  everyone
• 10:21
  else
• 10:21
  just
• 10:21
  gets
• 10:21
  on
• 10:21
  with
• 10:22
  it
• 10:22
  and
• 10:22
  things
• 10:22
  happen.
• 10:23
  So
• 10:24
  what's
• 10:24
  your
• 10:25
  strength
• 10:25
  then?
• 10:26
  Litter
• 10:27
  picking?
• 10:27
  I'm
• 10:28
  pretty
• 10:28
  good
• 10:28
  at
• 10:28
  that.
• 10:29
  Ideas,
• 10:30
  but
• 10:30
  not
• 10:31
  all
• 10:31
  good
• 10:32
  energy.
• 10:33
  Play
• 10:33
  energy.
• 10:34
  Well,
• 11:35
  I'm
• 11:35
  just
• 11:35
  thinking
• 11:35
  you've
• 11:36
  come
• 11:36
  across
• 11:36
  as.
• 11:36
  You're
• 11:37
  very
• 11:37
  enthusiastic
• 11:38
  and
• 11:38
  very
• 11:38
  passionate.
• 11:39
  Are
• 11:40
  you
• 11:40
  always.
• 11:40
  Are
• 11:40
  you
• 11:40
  a
• 11:41
  very
• 11:41
  upbeat
• 11:41
  person?
• 11:42
  I
• 11:42
  mean,
• 11:42
  are
• 11:42
  you
• 11:42
  always
• 11:43
  very
• 11:44
  on,
• 11:45
  you
• 11:45
  know,
• 11:45
  you
• 11:45
  seem
• 11:45
  very,
• 11:46
  you
• 11:46
  know,
• 11:47
  in
• 11:47
  the
• 11:47
  moment
• 11:47
  or
• 11:47
  is
• 11:48
  it.
• 11:48
  Is
• 11:48
  that,
• 11:48
  you
• 11:48
  know,
• 11:49
  do
• 11:49
  you
• 11:49
  have.
• 11:49
  Your
• 11:49
  off
• 11:49
  days
• 11:49
  as
• 11:50
  well,
• 11:51
  chronically
• 11:52
  optimistic
• 11:54
  about
• 11:54
  things?
• 11:55
  I
• 11:56
  don't
• 11:56
  think
• 11:56
  I
• 11:56
  have
• 11:56
  off
• 11:56
  days,
• 11:57
  no.
• 11:57
  Sometimes
• 11:58
  you're
• 11:58
  a
• 11:58
  bit
• 11:58
  tired,
• 11:59
  but
• 11:59
  other
• 11:59
  than
• 11:59
  that,
• 11:59
  I'm
• 12:00
  all
• 12:00
  right.
• 12:00
  And
• 12:01
  what
• 12:01
  of
• 12:01
  those
• 12:02
  jobs,
• 12:03
  which
• 12:04
  one
• 12:04
  are
• 12:04
  you
• 12:05
  most
• 12:05
  passionate
• 12:05
  about?
• 12:07
  I
• 12:08
  do
• 12:08
  honestly
• 12:08
  have
• 12:08
  not
• 12:09
  got
• 12:09
  a
• 12:09
  favorite.
• 12:09
  It's
• 12:10
  like
• 12:10
  asking
• 12:10
  someone
• 12:10
  if
• 12:10
  you've
• 12:11
  got
• 12:11
  a
• 12:11
  favorite
• 12:11
  child,
• 12:12
  you
• 12:12
  know,
• 12:12
  it
• 12:13
  just,
• 12:13
  it's.
• 12:13
  No,
• 12:14
  I
• 12:14
  love
• 12:14
  oat
• 12:15
  milk
• 12:16
  compost,
• 12:17
  native
• 12:17
  oysters,
• 12:18
  equally.
• 12:19
  I
• 12:19
  was
• 12:19
  looking.
• 12:20
  Well,
• 12:20
  the
• 12:20
  chocolate
• 12:20
  oat
• 12:21
  milk
• 12:21
  looks
• 12:21
  fantastic.
• 12:22
  I'm
• 12:22
  a.
• 12:22
  I've
• 12:23
  got
• 12:23
  massive
• 12:23
  sweet
• 12:23
  tooth.
• 12:24
  So
• 12:24
  that's
• 12:24
  the
• 12:24
  one
• 12:24
  I'd
• 12:24
  be
• 12:24
  taking
• 12:25
  off
• 12:25
  the
• 12:25
  shelf.
• 12:26
  Oh,
• 12:26
  it's.
• 12:27
  It
• 12:27
  is
• 12:27
  amazing.
• 12:28
  I've
• 12:28
  got
• 12:28
  a
• 12:28
  dangerous
• 12:29
  addiction
• 12:29
  to
• 12:29
  this
• 12:29
  stuff.
• 12:31
  Is
• 12:31
  that
• 12:32
  the
• 12:32
  last
• 12:32
  of
• 12:32
  your
• 12:32
  problem?
• 12:32
  Made
• 12:32
  with
• 12:32
  oats
• 12:33
  from
• 12:33
  Aberdeenshire.
• 12:34
  Oh,
• 12:35
  fantastic.
• 12:35
  Well,
• 12:36
  that's.
• 12:36
  Yeah,
• 12:36
  yeah.
• 12:38
  So
• 12:38
  how
• 12:38
  do
• 12:39
  you
• 12:39
  switch
• 12:39
  off
• 12:39
  and
• 12:40
  wind
• 12:40
  down?
• 12:42
  Take
• 12:42
  the
• 12:42
  dog
• 12:43
  out
• 12:43
  for
• 12:43
  a
• 12:43
  walk,
• 12:43
  maybe
• 12:44
  a
• 12:44
  little
• 12:44
  trick
• 12:44
  on
• 12:45
  the
• 12:45
  beach
• 12:45
  or
• 12:45
  in
• 12:46
  the
• 12:46
  woods.
• 12:46
  Do
• 12:47
  a
• 12:47
  bit
• 12:47
  with
• 12:47
  quite
• 12:47
  like
• 12:48
  growing
• 12:48
  trees,
• 12:48
  like
• 12:49
  tending
• 12:49
  young
• 12:50
  trees.
• 12:50
  What
• 12:51
  else
• 12:53
  about
• 12:53
  your
• 12:53
  well
• 12:53
  being?
• 12:53
  I
• 12:54
  mean,
• 12:54
  obviously
• 12:54
  this
• 12:55
  is
• 12:55
  what,
• 12:55
  you
• 12:55
  know,
• 12:56
  we're
• 12:56
  here
• 12:56
  to
• 12:57
  talk
• 12:57
  about.
• 12:57
  Well,
• 12:57
  being
• 12:58
  emotional,
• 12:58
  physical,
• 13:00
  you
• 13:00
  know.
• 13:00
  Do
• 13:00
  you
• 13:00
  think
• 13:01
  about
• 13:01
  it
• 13:01
  a
• 13:01
  lot?
• 13:03
  I'm
• 13:03
  very
• 13:03
  aware
• 13:03
  of
• 13:04
  it.
• 13:04
  In
• 13:04
  2013
• 13:06
  I
• 13:06
  had
• 13:07
  an
• 13:07
  absolute
• 13:08
  mental
• 13:09
  breakdown
• 13:10
  through
• 13:10
  putting
• 13:11
  myself
• 13:11
  through
• 13:11
  far
• 13:11
  too
• 13:12
  much.
• 13:13
  And
• 13:13
  one
• 13:14
  day
• 13:14
  just
• 13:15
  a
• 13:15
  black
• 13:15
  cloud
• 13:16
  came
• 13:16
  down
• 13:16
  that
• 13:16
  just
• 13:17
  overwhelmed
• 13:17
  Me
• 13:18
  for
• 13:18
  about
• 13:18
  a
• 13:18
  month
• 13:19
  and
• 13:19
  I
• 13:19
  just
• 13:20
  remember
• 13:21
  literally
• 13:21
  crying
• 13:22
  for
• 13:23
  days
• 13:24
  and
• 13:25
  it
• 13:25
  felt
• 13:26
  like
• 13:26
  everything
• 13:27
  was
• 13:27
  lost,
• 13:28
  but
• 13:29
  actually,
• 13:29
  again,
• 13:30
  being
• 13:30
  surrounded
• 13:31
  by
• 13:31
  great
• 13:31
  people,
• 13:32
  loving
• 13:32
  family,
• 13:33
  you
• 13:33
  know,
• 13:33
  I
• 13:33
  kind
• 13:34
  of
• 13:34
  got
• 13:34
  through
• 13:34
  that
• 13:34
  and
• 13:34
  I
• 13:35
  realized
• 13:35
  that
• 13:35
  I
• 13:36
  need
• 13:36
  to
• 13:36
  be
• 13:36
  quite
• 13:36
  careful
• 13:36
  and
• 13:37
  not
• 13:37
  push
• 13:38
  myself.
• 13:38
  I
• 13:38
  just
• 13:38
  pushed
• 13:39
  myself
• 13:39
  far
• 13:39
  too
• 13:39
  hard
• 13:40
  and
• 13:40
  was
• 13:41
  trying
• 13:41
  to
• 13:41
  do
• 13:41
  far,
• 13:41
  far
• 13:42
  too
• 13:42
  much
• 13:42
  and
• 13:43
  burnt
• 13:43
  myself
• 13:43
  out.
• 13:44
  And
• 13:44
  so,
• 13:45
  you
• 13:45
  know,
• 13:46
  I
• 13:46
  learned
• 13:46
  a
• 13:47
  massive
• 13:47
  amount
• 13:47
  through
• 13:48
  that.
• 13:48
  And
• 13:49
  so
• 13:50
  I'm
• 13:50
  now,
• 13:51
  although
• 13:51
  I'm
• 13:51
  busy,
• 13:52
  I
• 13:52
  just
• 13:53
  make
• 13:53
  sure
• 13:53
  that
• 13:53
  I'm
• 13:54
  not
• 13:55
  doing
• 13:56
  too
• 13:56
  much.
• 13:57
  Did
• 13:58
  that
• 13:58
  catch?
• 13:58
  You
• 13:58
  must
• 13:59
  have
• 13:59
  caught.
• 13:59
  Well,
• 14:00
  I
• 14:01
  mean,
• 14:01
  I
• 14:01
  suppose
• 14:01
  you
• 14:01
  can't,
• 14:01
  you
• 14:02
  know.
• 14:02
  Did
• 14:02
  you
• 14:02
  see
• 14:02
  it
• 14:02
  coming?
• 14:03
  Did
• 14:03
  it
• 14:03
  catch
• 14:03
  you
• 14:03
  unaware?
• 14:04
  Yeah,
• 14:05
  completely.
• 14:06
  I
• 14:06
  would
• 14:06
  have,
• 14:07
  you
• 14:07
  know,
• 14:07
  if
• 14:07
  you
• 14:07
  said
• 14:07
  to
• 14:08
  me
• 14:08
  in
• 14:08
  like
• 14:08
  2012
• 14:09
  that
• 14:09
  something
• 14:09
  like
• 14:10
  that
• 14:10
  might
• 14:10
  happen
• 14:10
  to
• 14:10
  you,
• 14:10
  I
• 14:10
  said,
• 14:11
  nah,
• 14:11
  I
• 14:11
  don't
• 14:11
  think
• 14:11
  so,
• 14:12
  not
• 14:12
  me.
• 14:12
  But
• 14:13
  it
• 14:13
  just.
• 14:13
  There's
• 14:14
  a
• 14:14
  real
• 14:14
  lesson
• 14:14
  in
• 14:14
  that.
• 14:16
  So,
• 14:16
  yeah,
• 14:17
  and
• 14:17
  with
• 14:17
  young
• 14:18
  kids
• 14:18
  and,
• 14:19
  you
• 14:19
  know,
• 14:19
  with
• 14:19
  lots
• 14:20
  of
• 14:20
  people
• 14:20
  depending
• 14:20
  on
• 14:21
  me
• 14:21
  with
• 14:21
  the
• 14:21
  businesses
• 14:22
  and
• 14:22
  everything
• 14:22
  else,
• 14:22
  you
• 14:22
  know,
• 14:23
  got
• 14:23
  a
• 14:23
  responsibility
• 14:24
  not
• 14:24
  only
• 14:24
  to
• 14:24
  myself
• 14:25
  but
• 14:25
  to
• 14:25
  everyone
• 14:25
  else
• 14:26
  just
• 14:26
  to,
• 14:27
  you
• 14:27
  know,
• 14:27
  to
• 14:27
  keep
• 14:27
  myself,
• 14:29
  you
• 14:29
  know,
• 14:30
  on
• 14:30
  the
• 14:30
  straight
• 14:30
  and
• 14:30
  narrow.
• 14:31
  So
• 14:32
  would
• 14:32
  you
• 14:32
  mind
• 14:33
  sharing
• 14:33
  what
• 14:33
  caused
• 14:34
  that?
• 14:35
  So
• 14:36
  I
• 14:36
  think
• 14:36
  part
• 14:37
  of
• 14:37
  it
• 14:37
  was
• 14:38
  my
• 14:38
  good
• 14:38
  friend
• 14:39
  Johnny,
• 14:39
  who
• 14:40
  was
• 14:40
  captain
• 14:40
  of
• 14:40
  our
• 14:40
  rugby
• 14:41
  team,
• 14:41
  broke
• 14:41
  his
• 14:41
  neck
• 14:42
  playing
• 14:43
  rugby
• 14:44
  and
• 14:45
  he
• 14:46
  recovered
• 14:47
  well
• 14:47
  to
• 14:47
  a
• 14:47
  degree
• 14:47
  in
• 14:48
  terms
• 14:48
  of
• 14:48
  got
• 14:48
  out
• 14:48
  of
• 14:48
  hospital,
• 14:48
  but
• 14:49
  he
• 14:49
  was.
• 14:49
  He
• 14:49
  just
• 14:50
  couldn't
• 14:50
  use
• 14:50
  his
• 14:50
  limbs
• 14:50
  really,
• 14:51
  and
• 14:51
  he
• 14:51
  was
• 14:51
  getting
• 14:52
  more
• 14:52
  and
• 14:52
  more
• 14:52
  depressed.
• 14:52
  Social
• 14:53
  media
• 14:53
  was
• 14:53
  just
• 14:53
  coming
• 14:53
  on
• 14:54
  and
• 14:54
  he
• 14:54
  was
• 14:54
  watching
• 14:54
  everyone
• 14:55
  else's
• 14:55
  lives
• 14:55
  on
• 14:55
  social
• 14:56
  media
• 14:56
  and
• 14:56
  I
• 14:57
  said,
• 14:57
  look,
• 14:57
  Jonny,
• 14:57
  we
• 14:57
  need
• 14:58
  to
• 14:58
  get
• 14:58
  you
• 14:59
  doing
• 14:59
  something.
• 14:59
  So
• 14:59
  we
• 15:00
  started
• 15:00
  a
• 15:00
  social
• 15:00
  enterprise
• 15:01
  together
• 15:01
  called
• 15:01
  Growing
• 15:02
  Forth
• 15:02
  so
• 15:03
  that
• 15:03
  we
• 15:03
  could
• 15:03
  create
• 15:04
  opportunities
• 15:04
  for
• 15:04
  people
• 15:05
  like
• 15:05
  Jonny
• 15:06
  and
• 15:06
  others,
• 15:06
  people
• 15:06
  recovering
• 15:07
  from
• 15:07
  drugs,
• 15:07
  addiction
• 15:08
  or
• 15:08
  alcohol,
• 15:09
  people
• 15:09
  with
• 15:09
  learning
• 15:09
  difficulties
• 15:10
  to
• 15:11
  contribute
• 15:11
  and
• 15:11
  feel
• 15:12
  they
• 15:12
  were
• 15:12
  involved
• 15:12
  with
• 15:13
  something.
• 15:14
  So
• 15:14
  we
• 15:15
  started
• 15:15
  that
• 15:15
  and
• 15:16
  try
• 15:17
  and
• 15:17
  preserve
• 15:17
  some
• 15:17
  of
• 15:17
  that
• 15:17
  last
• 15:18
  market
• 15:18
  gardening
• 15:19
  heritage
• 15:19
  that
• 15:19
  you
• 15:19
  slothing
• 15:20
  was
• 15:20
  so
• 15:20
  famous
• 15:20
  for.
• 15:20
  So
• 15:21
  Growing
• 15:22
  Force
• 15:23
  and
• 15:23
  we
• 15:23
  built
• 15:24
  up
• 15:24
  a.
• 15:25
  A
• 15:25
  veg
• 15:25
  box
• 15:25
  scheme
• 15:26
  we
• 15:26
  had.
• 15:27
  I
• 15:27
  like
• 15:27
  the
• 15:28
  model.
• 15:28
  So
• 15:28
  with
• 15:28
  frm,
• 15:29
  our
• 15:29
  model
• 15:29
  is
• 15:30
  good
• 15:30
  that
• 15:30
  we
• 15:30
  charge
• 15:30
  the
• 15:31
  councils
• 15:31
  and
• 15:31
  landscapers
• 15:32
  to
• 15:32
  bring
• 15:32
  us
• 15:33
  their
• 15:33
  garden
• 15:33
  cuttings.
• 15:34
  We
• 15:34
  then
• 15:34
  make
• 15:35
  it
• 15:35
  into
• 15:35
  a
• 15:35
  compost
• 15:35
  and
• 15:36
  we
• 15:36
  sell
• 15:36
  it
• 15:37
  back
• 15:37
  out
• 15:37
  the
• 15:37
  door.
• 15:39
  So
• 15:39
  we
• 15:39
  tried
• 15:39
  to
• 15:39
  find
• 15:39
  a
• 15:40
  model
• 15:40
  like
• 15:40
  that.
• 15:40
  So
• 15:41
  the
• 15:41
  idea
• 15:41
  was
• 15:41
  that
• 15:41
  we
• 15:42
  would
• 15:42
  charge
• 15:42
  the
• 15:43
  kitchens,
• 15:44
  the
• 15:44
  restaurants
• 15:45
  and
• 15:45
  the
• 15:45
  hotels
• 15:45
  to
• 15:46
  take
• 15:46
  away
• 15:46
  their
• 15:46
  food
• 15:46
  waste,
• 15:47
  which
• 15:47
  is
• 15:47
  something
• 15:48
  my
• 15:48
  great
• 15:48
  granddad
• 15:49
  used
• 15:49
  to
• 15:49
  do.
• 15:49
  Used
• 15:49
  to
• 15:49
  have
• 15:49
  a
• 15:49
  swill
• 15:50
  run
• 15:50
  up
• 15:50
  in
• 15:51
  Edinburgh
• 15:51
  pig
• 15:52
  farms
• 15:52
  on
• 15:52
  the
• 15:52
  edge
• 15:52
  of
• 15:52
  the
• 15:52
  city.
• 15:53
  So
• 15:53
  collect
• 15:53
  the
• 15:54
  food
• 15:54
  waste
• 15:54
  Feed
• 15:54
  it
• 15:54
  to
• 15:55
  pigs.
• 15:55
  So
• 15:56
  we
• 15:56
  were
• 15:56
  doing
• 15:56
  that,
• 15:56
  but
• 15:56
  it
• 15:56
  was
• 15:57
  going
• 15:57
  to
• 15:57
  anaerobic
• 15:57
  digesters.
• 15:58
  And
• 15:59
  then
• 15:59
  we
• 15:59
  were
• 16:00
  selling
• 16:00
  back
• 16:01
  the
• 16:01
  vegetables
• 16:02
  to
• 16:02
  the
• 16:02
  kitchens,
• 16:04
  which
• 16:04
  on
• 16:04
  paper
• 16:05
  sounds
• 16:05
  amazing,
• 16:06
  but
• 16:06
  chefs
• 16:07
  at
• 16:07
  the
• 16:07
  end
• 16:07
  of
• 16:07
  their
• 16:07
  shift
• 16:08
  generally
• 16:08
  just
• 16:08
  want
• 16:09
  to
• 16:09
  put
• 16:09
  an
• 16:09
  order
• 16:10
  in
• 16:10
  with
• 16:10
  a
• 16:10
  24
• 16:10
  hour
• 16:11
  food
• 16:11
  service
• 16:11
  company
• 16:12
  and
• 16:12
  get
• 16:12
  their
• 16:12
  carrots
• 16:13
  delivered,
• 16:14
  washed,
• 16:14
  clean,
• 16:15
  chopped
• 16:15
  up
• 16:15
  in
• 16:16
  a
• 16:16
  bag,
• 16:16
  whereas
• 16:17
  ours
• 16:17
  were
• 16:17
  wonky
• 16:18
  and
• 16:18
  covered
• 16:18
  in
• 16:18
  compost.
• 16:18
  And
• 16:19
  so
• 16:20
  they
• 16:20
  loved
• 16:20
  the
• 16:20
  concept
• 16:20
  but
• 16:21
  they
• 16:21
  didn't
• 16:21
  really
• 16:21
  want
• 16:22
  to
• 16:22
  use
• 16:22
  the
• 16:22
  service.
• 16:24
  So
• 16:25
  it
• 16:25
  was
• 16:25
  struggling
• 16:26
  a
• 16:26
  bit.
• 16:26
  We
• 16:27
  took
• 16:27
  on
• 16:28
  the
• 16:28
  local
• 16:28
  farm
• 16:29
  shop
• 16:29
  so
• 16:30
  that
• 16:30
  we
• 16:30
  had
• 16:30
  a
• 16:30
  market
• 16:31
  and
• 16:32
  thought,
• 16:32
  well,
• 16:32
  we
• 16:32
  could
• 16:32
  sell
• 16:32
  our
• 16:33
  compost
• 16:33
  there.
• 16:34
  Still
• 16:34
  involved
• 16:35
  the
• 16:35
  lobster.
• 16:35
  So
• 16:36
  we
• 16:36
  had
• 16:36
  like
• 16:36
  tanks
• 16:36
  selling
• 16:37
  our
• 16:37
  lobsters
• 16:37
  there
• 16:38
  as
• 16:38
  well.
• 16:38
  We
• 16:39
  had
• 16:39
  three
• 16:39
  different
• 16:39
  market
• 16:40
  gardens.
• 16:40
  One
• 16:40
  at
• 16:41
  the
• 16:41
  farm
• 16:41
  shop,
• 16:41
  we
• 16:41
  had
• 16:42
  some
• 16:42
  more
• 16:42
  converted
• 16:43
  polytunnels
• 16:44
  on
• 16:44
  a
• 16:44
  mushroom
• 16:44
  farm
• 16:45
  or
• 16:45
  just
• 16:46
  full
• 16:46
  of
• 16:46
  tomatoes
• 16:47
  and
• 16:47
  cucumbers.
• 16:48
  And,
• 16:49
  you
• 16:49
  know,
• 16:49
  we
• 16:49
  had
• 16:49
  a
• 16:49
  walled
• 16:50
  garden,
• 16:50
  Archfield,
• 16:51
  that
• 16:51
  had
• 16:51
  been
• 16:51
  redone
• 16:52
  and
• 16:53
  we
• 16:53
  were
• 16:53
  growing
• 16:53
  there
• 16:54
  and
• 16:55
  it
• 16:55
  was
• 16:55
  just
• 16:55
  insane.
• 16:56
  Like
• 16:56
  we
• 16:57
  had
• 16:57
  the
• 16:57
  most
• 16:57
  incredible
• 16:57
  bunch
• 16:58
  of
• 16:58
  people
• 16:58
  involved.
• 16:59
  A
• 16:59
  lot
• 16:59
  of
• 16:59
  them
• 17:00
  were
• 17:00
  volunteers,
• 17:00
  but
• 17:01
  as
• 17:01
  they
• 17:02
  spent
• 17:02
  more
• 17:02
  and
• 17:02
  more
• 17:02
  time
• 17:02
  with
• 17:03
  us,
• 17:03
  they
• 17:03
  deserved
• 17:03
  to
• 17:03
  get
• 17:04
  paid.
• 17:05
  So
• 17:05
  we
• 17:05
  started
• 17:05
  to
• 17:05
  pay
• 17:05
  them
• 17:06
  because
• 17:06
  they
• 17:06
  needed
• 17:07
  to
• 17:07
  be
• 17:07
  paid.
• 17:07
  And
• 17:08
  then
• 17:08
  economically
• 17:09
  it
• 17:09
  just
• 17:10
  didn't
• 17:10
  have
• 17:10
  legs
• 17:11
  and
• 17:12
  it
• 17:12
  was
• 17:12
  so
• 17:12
  stressful
• 17:13
  and
• 17:13
  I
• 17:13
  was
• 17:13
  just
• 17:13
  running
• 17:14
  harder
• 17:14
  and
• 17:14
  harder
• 17:15
  trying
• 17:15
  to
• 17:15
  keep
• 17:16
  it
• 17:16
  going
• 17:16
  because.
• 17:17
  And
• 17:17
  then
• 17:17
  poor
• 17:17
  Johnny
• 17:18
  died
• 17:19
  with
• 17:19
  two
• 17:19
  young
• 17:19
  kids.
• 17:20
  Passed
• 17:20
  away.
• 17:20
  So.
• 17:21
  Johnny
• 17:22
  passed
• 17:22
  away?
• 17:23
  Yeah.
• 17:23
  No,
• 17:23
  thank
• 17:24
  you.
• 17:24
  And
• 17:24
  the
• 17:25
  farm
• 17:25
  shop,
• 17:26
  you
• 17:26
  know,
• 17:27
  oh
• 17:27
  God,
• 17:27
  we
• 17:27
  had
• 17:28
  free
• 17:28
  range
• 17:28
  hens
• 17:29
  and
• 17:29
  yet
• 17:29
  like,
• 17:30
  you
• 17:30
  know,
• 17:30
  the
• 17:30
  eggs
• 17:31
  were
• 17:31
  like
• 17:31
  proper
• 17:31
  pasture
• 17:32
  eggs,
• 17:32
  so
• 17:32
  they're
• 17:32
  always
• 17:33
  filthy.
• 17:33
  So
• 17:33
  like
• 17:34
  cleaning
• 17:34
  eggs.
• 17:35
  I
• 17:35
  remember
• 17:35
  paying
• 17:35
  my
• 17:35
  kids,
• 17:36
  like,
• 17:36
  I
• 17:36
  think
• 17:36
  it
• 17:36
  was
• 17:36
  two
• 17:36
  pen
• 17:37
  an
• 17:37
  egg
• 17:37
  to,
• 17:37
  to
• 17:38
  wash,
• 17:38
  washing
• 17:39
  dry
• 17:39
  eggs.
• 17:39
  I
• 17:39
  know
• 17:40
  maybe
• 17:40
  not
• 17:40
  meant
• 17:40
  to
• 17:40
  wash
• 17:40
  eggs,
• 17:41
  so
• 17:41
  maybe
• 17:41
  shouldn't
• 17:42
  say
• 17:42
  that.
• 17:43
  So,
• 17:44
  yeah,
• 17:44
  it
• 17:44
  just,
• 17:44
  it
• 17:45
  was
• 17:45
  awful.
• 17:45
  It
• 17:45
  was
• 17:45
  too
• 17:45
  much.
• 17:46
  And
• 17:46
  then
• 17:46
  one
• 17:46
  day,
• 17:48
  just
• 17:48
  the
• 17:48
  black,
• 17:49
  the
• 17:49
  black
• 17:49
  lives
• 17:50
  just
• 17:50
  came
• 17:50
  down
• 17:50
  and
• 17:51
  consumed
• 17:51
  me.
• 17:52
  It
• 17:52
  broke
• 17:52
  me
• 17:53
  mentally
• 17:54
  and
• 17:55
  it
• 17:56
  was
• 17:56
  unbelievable.
• 17:56
  It
• 17:56
  was
• 17:57
  just
• 17:57
  so
• 17:57
  intense.
• 17:58
  And
• 17:59
  as
• 17:59
  I
• 17:59
  say,
• 18:00
  you
• 18:00
  know,
• 18:01
  I
• 18:01
  cried
• 18:01
  for
• 18:01
  a
• 18:02
  month.
• 18:02
  Just
• 18:02
  like
• 18:02
  it's
• 18:02
  been
• 18:02
  raining
• 18:03
  for
• 18:03
  a
• 18:03
  month
• 18:03
  here.
• 18:03
  It
• 18:03
  was
• 18:04
  like
• 18:04
  me,
• 18:04
  but
• 18:05
  just
• 18:05
  tears.
• 18:06
  How
• 18:06
  much
• 18:07
  of
• 18:07
  a
• 18:07
  challenge?
• 18:07
  I'm
• 18:08
  just
• 18:08
  wondering
• 18:08
  how
• 18:08
  much
• 18:08
  of
• 18:08
  a
• 18:08
  challenge
• 18:09
  it
• 18:09
  was
• 18:09
  to
• 18:10
  put
• 18:10
  your
• 18:10
  hand
• 18:10
  up
• 18:10
  and
• 18:10
  say,
• 18:11
  this
• 18:11
  is
• 18:11
  just
• 18:11
  too
• 18:11
  much,
• 18:12
  it's
• 18:12
  overwhelming.
• 18:13
  Well,
• 18:13
  I
• 18:13
  think
• 18:13
  that
• 18:14
  was
• 18:14
  part
• 18:14
  of
• 18:14
  the
• 18:14
  problem.
• 18:14
  I
• 18:15
  didn't
• 18:15
  do
• 18:15
  that
• 18:15
  because
• 18:16
  I
• 18:16
  kept
• 18:16
  thinking
• 18:17
  until
• 18:18
  that
• 18:18
  point
• 18:18
  I
• 18:18
  was
• 18:18
  a
• 18:18
  believer
• 18:19
  that
• 18:19
  you
• 18:19
  could
• 18:19
  pretty
• 18:19
  much
• 18:19
  achieve
• 18:20
  whatever
• 18:20
  you
• 18:20
  wanted
• 18:20
  just
• 18:20
  by
• 18:21
  trying
• 18:21
  harder.
• 18:22
  So
• 18:22
  I
• 18:22
  just
• 18:22
  kept
• 18:22
  Trying
• 18:23
  harder
• 18:23
  and
• 18:23
  harder
• 18:24
  until
• 18:24
  it
• 18:24
  completely
• 18:25
  broke
• 18:25
  me.
• 18:25
  I
• 18:25
  was
• 18:25
  just
• 18:25
  mentally
• 18:26
  and
• 18:26
  physically
• 18:27
  exhausted.
• 18:29
  So,
• 18:31
  yeah,
• 18:33
  there
• 18:33
  wasn't
• 18:33
  a
• 18:33
  lot
• 18:34
  of
• 18:34
  thought
• 18:34
  went
• 18:34
  into
• 18:34
  it.
• 18:34
  It
• 18:34
  was
• 18:34
  just
• 18:35
  go,
• 18:35
  go,
• 18:35
  go
• 18:35
  until
• 18:36
  you
• 18:36
  break.
• 18:37
  Tell
• 18:37
  me
• 18:38
  a
• 18:38
  bit
• 18:38
  about
• 18:38
  it.
• 18:38
  Just,
• 18:38
  I'd
• 18:38
  love
• 18:39
  to
• 18:39
  know
• 18:39
  a
• 18:39
  bit
• 18:39
  about,
• 18:39
  obviously
• 18:40
  acknowledgement
• 18:41
  and
• 18:41
  the
• 18:41
  recognition.
• 18:41
  Right.
• 18:42
  This
• 18:42
  is.
• 18:43
  Yeah,
• 18:43
  I'm
• 18:44
  in
• 18:44
  a.
• 18:45
  And
• 18:45
  then
• 18:45
  recovery,
• 18:46
  you
• 18:46
  know,
• 18:47
  what
• 18:47
  did
• 18:47
  you
• 18:47
  do
• 18:47
  to
• 18:47
  recover?
• 18:50
  So
• 18:51
  my
• 18:52
  partners
• 18:53
  in
• 18:53
  frm,
• 18:53
  basically,
• 18:54
  Alex
• 18:55
  and
• 18:55
  Ben,
• 18:56
  just
• 18:57
  take
• 18:57
  a
• 18:57
  bit
• 18:57
  of
• 18:57
  time
• 18:58
  and
• 18:58
  I
• 18:58
  suppose
• 18:59
  over
• 18:59
  a
• 18:59
  month,
• 18:59
  I
• 18:59
  just
• 19:00
  slowly
• 19:01
  but
• 19:01
  surely
• 19:01
  sort
• 19:02
  of
• 19:02
  re.
• 19:02
  Emerged
• 19:02
  from
• 19:03
  the
• 19:03
  darkness
• 19:04
  and
• 19:05
  we
• 19:05
  had
• 19:05
  to
• 19:06
  make
• 19:06
  some
• 19:06
  pretty
• 19:06
  big
• 19:07
  decisions.
• 19:07
  Unfortunately,
• 19:08
  the
• 19:08
  social
• 19:08
  enterprise
• 19:09
  had
• 19:09
  to
• 19:09
  be
• 19:09
  shut
• 19:09
  down.
• 19:10
  And
• 19:11
  telling
• 19:12
  folk
• 19:12
  in
• 19:12
  wheelchairs
• 19:13
  or
• 19:13
  folk
• 19:14
  that
• 19:14
  have,
• 19:14
  you
• 19:15
  know,
• 19:15
  like
• 19:16
  got
• 19:16
  their
• 19:16
  first
• 19:16
  ever
• 19:17
  job
• 19:17
  because
• 19:17
  they've
• 19:18
  got
• 19:18
  quite
• 19:18
  severe
• 19:18
  learning
• 19:19
  difficulties
• 19:20
  or,
• 19:21
  you
• 19:21
  know,
• 19:21
  recovering
• 19:22
  from
• 19:22
  addictions,
• 19:23
  that
• 19:23
  they
• 19:23
  no
• 19:23
  longer
• 19:24
  have
• 19:24
  a
• 19:24
  job
• 19:24
  or
• 19:24
  a
• 19:25
  purpose
• 19:25
  was
• 19:25
  awful.
• 19:27
  But
• 19:27
  it
• 19:27
  had
• 19:27
  to
• 19:27
  be
• 19:27
  done,
• 19:28
  there
• 19:28
  was
• 19:28
  no
• 19:28
  other
• 19:28
  option.
• 19:29
  And
• 19:29
  we
• 19:29
  restructured
• 19:30
  the
• 19:30
  farm
• 19:30
  shop
• 19:31
  and
• 19:31
  eventually
• 19:32
  got
• 19:33
  short
• 19:33
  of
• 19:33
  that
• 19:34
  and,
• 19:35
  yeah,
• 19:35
  just
• 19:36
  made
• 19:36
  the
• 19:36
  changes
• 19:37
  that
• 19:37
  needed
• 19:37
  to
• 19:37
  be
• 19:37
  made
• 19:38
  and
• 19:38
  a
• 19:39
  lot
• 19:39
  of
• 19:39
  learning
• 19:41
  was
• 19:42
  found
• 19:42
  in
• 19:42
  a
• 19:43
  short
• 19:43
  period
• 19:43
  of
• 19:43
  time.
• 19:44
  And
• 19:44
  I
• 19:44
  promised
• 19:45
  myself
• 19:45
  at
• 19:45
  that
• 19:45
  point
• 19:45
  that
• 19:46
  all
• 19:46
  the
• 19:46
  other
• 19:46
  businesses
• 19:47
  going
• 19:48
  forward,
• 19:48
  we'd
• 19:48
  run
• 19:48
  for
• 19:49
  the
• 19:49
  triple
• 19:49
  bottom
• 19:49
  line
• 19:50
  because
• 19:51
  we'd
• 19:51
  had
• 19:51
  to
• 19:51
  get
• 19:51
  shot
• 19:52
  at
• 19:52
  that
• 19:52
  social
• 19:52
  enterprise,
• 19:53
  because
• 19:53
  I
• 19:54
  thought
• 19:54
  we've
• 19:54
  got
• 19:54
  the
• 19:55
  social
• 19:55
  enterprise,
• 19:55
  we've
• 19:55
  got
• 19:56
  the
• 19:56
  commercial
• 19:56
  businesses.
• 19:57
  So
• 19:57
  we
• 19:58
  just
• 19:58
  restructured
• 19:59
  it
• 19:59
  and
• 19:59
  I
• 19:59
  just
• 19:59
  said,
• 19:59
  well,
• 19:59
  look,
• 20:00
  if
• 20:00
  I'm
• 20:00
  going
• 20:00
  to
• 20:00
  be
• 20:00
  involved
• 20:00
  in
• 20:00
  businesses,
• 20:01
  they're
• 20:01
  going
• 20:01
  to
• 20:01
  work
• 20:01
  for
• 20:01
  the
• 20:02
  triple
• 20:02
  bottom
• 20:02
  line.
• 20:03
  People
• 20:03
  plan
• 20:03
  it
• 20:03
  in
• 20:03
  profit,
• 20:04
  not
• 20:04
  in
• 20:05
  any
• 20:05
  particular
• 20:05
  order,
• 20:06
  but
• 20:06
  just
• 20:06
  those
• 20:07
  three
• 20:07
  things
• 20:07
  are
• 20:08
  what
• 20:08
  we're
• 20:08
  about
• 20:09
  and
• 20:09
  that's
• 20:10
  what
• 20:10
  we've
• 20:10
  tried
• 20:10
  to
• 20:10
  do
• 20:10
  ever
• 20:11
  since.
• 20:12
  And
• 20:12
  do
• 20:12
  you
• 20:12
  carry
• 20:12
  those
• 20:13
  learnings,
• 20:14
  as
• 20:14
  you
• 20:14
  say,
• 20:14
  every
• 20:15
  day?
• 20:15
  Yeah,
• 20:16
  yeah.
• 20:17
  I
• 20:17
  mean,
• 20:18
  I've
• 20:18
  probably
• 20:18
  got
• 20:18
  a
• 20:18
  tendency
• 20:19
  to
• 20:20
  forget
• 20:20
  a
• 20:21
  little
• 20:21
  bit
• 20:21
  and
• 20:21
  then
• 20:21
  you
• 20:21
  push
• 20:22
  yourself.
• 20:22
  Oh,
• 20:23
  just
• 20:23
  calm
• 20:23
  down
• 20:23
  here.
• 20:24
  But
• 20:25
  we've
• 20:25
  tried
• 20:26
  a
• 20:26
  lot
• 20:26
  of
• 20:26
  things,
• 20:26
  a
• 20:26
  lot
• 20:26
  of
• 20:26
  things
• 20:27
  haven't
• 20:27
  worked.
• 20:27
  So
• 20:29
  I've
• 20:29
  not
• 20:29
  got
• 20:29
  as
• 20:29
  many
• 20:30
  ideas
• 20:30
  as
• 20:30
  I
• 20:30
  used
• 20:30
  to,
• 20:31
  which
• 20:31
  is
• 20:31
  probably
• 20:31
  a
• 20:31
  good
• 20:31
  thing.
• 20:33
  Oh,
• 20:33
  that's
• 20:33
  okay.
• 20:34
  I
• 20:34
  mean,
• 20:34
  they
• 20:34
  come
• 20:34
  and
• 20:35
  go,
• 20:35
  don't
• 20:35
  they?
• 20:35
  You
• 20:35
  know,
• 20:36
  Tommy,
• 20:36
  they
• 20:36
  come
• 20:36
  and
• 20:36
  go
• 20:37
  and,
• 20:37
  you
• 20:37
  know,
• 20:38
  thinking
• 20:38
  about
• 20:38
  your
• 20:39
  young
• 20:39
  children
• 20:40
  and
• 20:40
  your
• 20:40
  family,
• 20:41
  what
• 20:41
  age
• 20:41
  and
• 20:42
  stage
• 20:42
  are
• 20:42
  they
• 20:42
  at?
• 20:43
  So
• 20:43
  three
• 20:44
  girls,
• 20:45
  16,
• 20:45
  14
• 20:46
  and
• 20:46
  11,
• 20:47
  and
• 20:47
  they're.
• 20:48
  They're
• 20:48
  amazing.
• 20:49
  I
• 20:49
  bet
• 20:49
  they
• 20:49
  are.
• 20:50
  I
• 20:50
  bet
• 20:50
  they
• 20:50
  are
• 20:50
  chip
• 20:51
  off
• 20:51
  the
• 20:51
  old
• 20:51
  block.
• 20:52
  But
• 20:52
  I'm
• 20:52
  just.
• 20:52
  You
• 20:52
  mentioned
• 20:53
  their
• 20:53
  social
• 20:53
  media
• 20:54
  and
• 20:54
  I
• 20:54
  wonder,
• 20:55
  what
• 20:55
  is
• 20:55
  your
• 20:56
  approach
• 20:56
  to
• 20:57
  social
• 20:57
  media?
• 20:57
  What.
• 20:58
  What
• 20:58
  do
• 20:58
  you
• 20:58
  think
• 20:58
  of
• 20:58
  it,
• 20:59
  do
• 20:59
  you
• 20:59
  use
• 20:59
  it
• 20:59
  and
• 21:00
  how
• 21:00
  do
• 21:00
  you
• 21:00
  control
• 21:00
  it?
• 21:02
  If
• 21:03
  you
• 21:03
  knew
• 21:03
  me,
• 21:03
  you
• 21:03
  would
• 21:03
  know
• 21:04
  that
• 21:04
  I
• 21:04
  do
• 21:04
  not
• 21:04
  use
• 21:04
  social
• 21:05
  media.
• 21:05
  I
• 21:06
  can't
• 21:06
  even
• 21:06
  turn
• 21:06
  the
• 21:06
  telly
• 21:07
  on
• 21:07
  in
• 21:07
  the
• 21:07
  house
• 21:07
  anymore.
• 21:08
  I
• 21:08
  have
• 21:08
  to
• 21:08
  get
• 21:08
  a
• 21:09
  child
• 21:09
  to
• 21:09
  put
• 21:09
  the
• 21:09
  rugby
• 21:10
  on
• 21:10
  for
• 21:10
  me
• 21:10
  because
• 21:10
  there's
• 21:10
  like
• 21:11
  three
• 21:11
  remote
• 21:11
  controls.
• 21:13
  My
• 21:13
  dad's
• 21:13
  76
• 21:14
  and
• 21:14
  he's
• 21:14
  totally
• 21:14
  embraced
• 21:15
  AI
• 21:16
  and
• 21:16
  he
• 21:16
  gets
• 21:16
  it
• 21:16
  to
• 21:17
  write
• 21:17
  letters
• 21:17
  for
• 21:17
  him
• 21:17
  and
• 21:17
  all
• 21:18
  sorts
• 21:18
  of
• 21:18
  things
• 21:18
  and
• 21:19
  I
• 21:19
  can't
• 21:19
  turn
• 21:19
  the
• 21:19
  telly
• 21:20
  on.
• 21:20
  My
• 21:20
  dad's
• 21:21
  all
• 21:21
  over
• 21:21
  social
• 21:22
  media.
• 21:22
  I've
• 21:23
  never
• 21:23
  had
• 21:23
  any
• 21:23
  social
• 21:24
  media.
• 21:24
  I,
• 21:25
  you
• 21:25
  know,
• 21:26
  I
• 21:26
  had
• 21:26
  to
• 21:26
  get
• 21:26
  someone
• 21:26
  to
• 21:26
  set
• 21:27
  this
• 21:27
  computer
• 21:27
  up.
• 21:28
  Well,
• 21:29
  I
• 21:29
  just
• 21:30
  don't
• 21:30
  like
• 21:30
  technology.
• 21:31
  I
• 21:31
  should
• 21:31
  have
• 21:31
  been
• 21:32
  born
• 21:32
  in
• 21:32
  the
• 21:32
  Victorian
• 21:33
  era
• 21:33
  probably.
• 21:34
  It's
• 21:34
  not
• 21:34
  for
• 21:35
  me.
• 21:35
  And
• 21:36
  don't
• 21:36
  get
• 21:36
  me
• 21:36
  wrong,
• 21:36
  I
• 21:36
  can
• 21:36
  see
• 21:37
  the
• 21:37
  absolute
• 21:37
  upside
• 21:38
  of
• 21:38
  it.
• 21:38
  I
• 21:38
  mean,
• 21:38
  social
• 21:38
  media
• 21:39
  for
• 21:39
  us
• 21:39
  business
• 21:40
  wise
• 21:40
  is
• 21:40
  fantastic.
• 21:42
  It's
• 21:42
  a
• 21:42
  huge
• 21:42
  thing
• 21:43
  for
• 21:43
  Caldeni
• 21:43
  horticulture
• 21:44
  and
• 21:45
  for
• 21:46
  balance
• 21:46
  to
• 21:46
  rise
• 21:46
  and
• 21:48
  the
• 21:48
  environmental
• 21:49
  community.
• 21:49
  It's
• 21:49
  so
• 21:50
  important
• 21:50
  for
• 21:50
  us.
• 21:51
  Well,
• 21:51
  I'm
• 21:51
  just
• 21:52
  thinking
• 21:52
  there,
• 21:52
  you
• 21:52
  mentioned
• 21:52
  about
• 21:53
  your.
• 21:54
  So
• 21:54
  sorry
• 21:54
  to
• 21:55
  hear
• 21:55
  about
• 21:55
  Johnny,
• 21:56
  but
• 21:56
  Johnny
• 21:57
  Doom
• 21:58
  scrolling
• 21:58
  on
• 21:58
  social
• 21:59
  media
• 21:59
  and
• 21:59
  then
• 21:59
  thinking
• 22:00
  about
• 22:00
  your
• 22:00
  girls
• 22:01
  and
• 22:01
  how,
• 22:01
  how
• 22:02
  do
• 22:02
  you
• 22:02
  sort
• 22:03
  of
• 22:03
  manage
• 22:04
  that
• 22:04
  within
• 22:04
  your
• 22:05
  household?
• 22:07
  I
• 22:07
  don't
• 22:07
  think
• 22:08
  I
• 22:08
  really
• 22:10
  have
• 22:11
  any
• 22:11
  say.
• 22:12
  I
• 22:12
  mean,
• 22:13
  I
• 22:13
  thought
• 22:13
  I
• 22:13
  was
• 22:13
  gonna
• 22:14
  be
• 22:14
  one
• 22:14
  of
• 22:14
  these
• 22:14
  dads
• 22:14
  that
• 22:14
  would
• 22:15
  not
• 22:15
  allow
• 22:15
  their
• 22:15
  daughters
• 22:16
  to
• 22:16
  go
• 22:16
  to
• 22:16
  school
• 22:16
  with
• 22:16
  a
• 22:16
  short
• 22:17
  skirt
• 22:17
  on.
• 22:19
  Completely
• 22:19
  overruled.
• 22:20
  Like,
• 22:20
  you
• 22:20
  know,
• 22:22
  it's
• 22:22
  unbelievable.
• 22:23
  They
• 22:23
  just
• 22:23
  don't
• 22:23
  listen.
• 22:25
  Social
• 22:26
  media.
• 22:26
  Lorna.
• 22:28
  Yeah,
• 22:28
  just,
• 22:29
  you
• 22:29
  know,
• 22:29
  Lorna's
• 22:30
  good
• 22:30
  with
• 22:31
  that.
• 22:31
  You
• 22:31
  know,
• 22:32
  I,
• 22:32
  I
• 22:32
  think
• 22:32
  they
• 22:32
  probably
• 22:33
  spend
• 22:34
  too
• 22:34
  much
• 22:34
  time
• 22:34
  on
• 22:35
  their
• 22:35
  phones
• 22:35
  but
• 22:36
  thankfully
• 22:36
  that
• 22:36
  they've
• 22:37
  got
• 22:37
  their
• 22:37
  sports
• 22:38
  and
• 22:38
  you
• 22:39
  know,
• 22:39
  they
• 22:39
  got
• 22:39
  their
• 22:39
  granny
• 22:40
  with
• 22:40
  the
• 22:40
  ponies
• 22:41
  and
• 22:42
  they've
• 22:42
  got
• 22:42
  a
• 22:42
  lot
• 22:42
  going
• 22:42
  on,
• 22:43
  but
• 22:43
  I
• 22:43
  just
• 22:43
  feel
• 22:43
  for
• 22:44
  so
• 22:44
  many
• 22:44
  kids
• 22:44
  that
• 22:44
  aren't
• 22:45
  fortunate
• 22:45
  enough
• 22:45
  to
• 22:45
  have
• 22:45
  that,
• 22:47
  you
• 22:47
  know,
• 22:48
  and
• 22:48
  if
• 22:48
  you've
• 22:48
  not
• 22:49
  got
• 22:49
  these
• 22:49
  other
• 22:50
  things,
• 22:50
  how
• 22:50
  you
• 22:50
  could
• 22:51
  just
• 22:51
  be
• 22:51
  sucked
• 22:51
  into
• 22:52
  that
• 22:52
  all
• 22:52
  the
• 22:53
  time,
• 22:53
  which
• 22:53
  is
• 22:53
  a
• 22:53
  terrible
• 22:54
  thought.
• 22:55
  You've
• 22:55
  mentioned
• 22:56
  sport
• 22:56
  a
• 22:56
  couple
• 22:56
  of
• 22:56
  times.
• 22:56
  You
• 22:57
  mentioned
• 22:57
  rugby
• 22:57
  and
• 22:57
  your
• 22:58
  girls
• 22:58
  being
• 22:58
  sporty
• 22:58
  and
• 22:59
  horses.
• 22:59
  I
• 22:59
  mean,
• 22:59
  what
• 23:00
  do
• 23:00
  you
• 23:00
  do
• 23:01
  to
• 23:01
  keep,
• 23:01
  you
• 23:02
  know,
• 23:02
  yourself
• 23:02
  fit?
• 23:03
  Just
• 23:04
  keep
• 23:04
  active
• 23:05
  at
• 23:05
  work,
• 23:05
  I
• 23:06
  think.
• 23:06
  I
• 23:06
  don't.
• 23:07
  Are
• 23:07
  you
• 23:07
  a
• 23:07
  gym
• 23:07
  goer?
• 23:08
  No,
• 23:08
  I
• 23:09
  don't
• 23:09
  see
• 23:09
  the
• 23:09
  point
• 23:09
  in
• 23:10
  that.
• 23:10
  Like
• 23:10
  why?
• 23:10
  No,
• 23:11
  I
• 23:11
  did
• 23:12
  a.
• 23:12
  Again,
• 23:13
  this
• 23:13
  is
• 23:13
  probably
• 23:13
  reckless,
• 23:14
  I
• 23:14
  shouldn't
• 23:14
  say
• 23:14
  it,
• 23:14
  but
• 23:14
  my
• 23:15
  cousin
• 23:15
  wanted
• 23:16
  to
• 23:16
  do
• 23:17
  a
• 23:17
  beer
• 23:17
  a
• 23:18
  thon
• 23:18
  before
• 23:18
  Christmas
• 23:19
  so
• 23:19
  we
• 23:19
  did
• 23:19
  a
• 23:20
  beer
• 23:20
  a
• 23:20
  thon
• 23:20
  dressed
• 23:20
  as
• 23:21
  Santa
• 23:21
  Claus.
• 23:22
  Well,
• 23:22
  we
• 23:22
  had
• 23:22
  to.
• 23:22
  I'm
• 23:22
  sure
• 23:22
  that
• 23:23
  counts,
• 23:23
  Tommy.
• 23:24
  Well,
• 23:24
  it
• 23:24
  was.
• 23:24
  It
• 23:25
  was
• 23:25
  a
• 23:25
  lot
• 23:25
  of
• 23:25
  exercise
• 23:25
  in
• 23:26
  a
• 23:26
  day,
• 23:26
  wasn't
• 23:26
  it?
• 23:27
  It
• 23:27
  was
• 23:27
  26
• 23:28
  miles
• 23:28
  and
• 23:29
  26
• 23:29
  beers.
• 23:30
  It
• 23:30
  took
• 23:31
  us
• 23:31
  all
• 23:31
  day
• 23:32
  long.
• 23:32
  And
• 23:32
  my.
• 23:33
  My
• 23:33
  first
• 23:33
  toenail
• 23:34
  fell
• 23:34
  off
• 23:34
  last
• 23:34
  night.
• 23:34
  A
• 23:35
  lot
• 23:35
  of
• 23:35
  my
• 23:35
  toenails
• 23:36
  died
• 23:36
  that
• 23:36
  day.
• 23:36
  It
• 23:36
  was
• 23:37
  awful.
• 23:37
  So
• 23:38
  more
• 23:38
  thinking
• 23:39
  about
• 23:39
  your
• 23:39
  liver
• 23:39
  than
• 23:39
  your
• 23:40
  toenail?
• 23:41
  Yeah.
• 23:41
  Yeah,
• 23:42
  they
• 23:42
  were
• 23:42
  just
• 23:42
  wee
• 23:43
  beers,
• 23:44
  but
• 23:44
  still.
• 23:45
  Oh,
• 23:46
  well,
• 23:46
  that's.
• 23:46
  That,
• 23:46
  that,
• 23:47
  that's.
• 23:47
  That's
• 23:47
  relief
• 23:47
  as
• 23:48
  well,
• 23:48
  isn't
• 23:48
  it?
• 23:48
  It's.
• 23:48
  It's
• 23:49
  being
• 23:49
  among
• 23:50
  friends
• 23:50
  and,
• 23:50
  and
• 23:51
  doing
• 23:51
  things
• 23:51
  and
• 23:52
  letting
• 23:52
  your
• 23:54
  down
• 23:54
  sometimes
• 23:54
  is
• 23:54
  very
• 23:55
  cathartic.
• 23:56
  Exactly,
• 23:57
  exactly.
• 23:57
  So
• 23:58
  we've
• 23:58
  got
• 23:58
  an
• 23:58
  old
• 23:59
  boys
• 23:59
  team
• 23:59
  called
• 23:59
  the
• 23:59
  Puffin
• 24:00
  Gannets
• 24:00
  in
• 24:00
  North
• 24:00
  Berwick.
• 24:00
  So
• 24:00
  we've
• 24:01
  got
• 24:01
  a
• 24:01
  rugby
• 24:01
  match
• 24:01
  on
• 24:02
  Saturday,
• 24:03
  which
• 24:03
  I'm
• 24:04
  looking
• 24:04
  forward
• 24:04
  to.
• 24:04
  I've
• 24:04
  not
• 24:04
  played
• 24:05
  for
• 24:05
  a
• 24:05
  year.
• 24:05
  Is
• 24:06
  that
• 24:06
  contact?
• 24:07
  Aye.
• 24:07
  Yeah.
• 24:08
  Okay.
• 24:08
  I
• 24:09
  was
• 24:09
  thinking
• 24:09
  maybe
• 24:09
  at
• 24:09
  your
• 24:09
  age
• 24:10
  it
• 24:10
  might
• 24:10
  be
• 24:10
  in
• 24:10
  touch.
• 24:10
  My
• 24:11
  age,
• 24:11
  My
• 24:12
  age.
• 24:12
  Oh,
• 24:13
  dear.
• 24:13
  I
• 24:13
  still
• 24:14
  think
• 24:14
  I've
• 24:14
  got
• 24:14
  some
• 24:15
  games
• 24:15
  I
• 24:16
  played.
• 24:16
  I
• 24:16
  had
• 24:16
  to
• 24:17
  stop
• 24:17
  a
• 24:17
  year
• 24:17
  ago
• 24:17
  because
• 24:17
  I
• 24:18
  got
• 24:18
  such
• 24:18
  a
• 24:18
  bad
• 24:18
  head
• 24:18
  knock
• 24:19
  playing
• 24:19
  for
• 24:20
  North
• 24:20
  Berwick
• 24:21
  up
• 24:22
  against
• 24:22
  Dunfermline.
• 24:23
  And
• 24:23
  on
• 24:24
  the
• 24:24
  bus
• 24:24
  home,
• 24:24
  I
• 24:24
  realized
• 24:25
  that
• 24:25
  I'd
• 24:25
  been
• 24:26
  playing
• 24:26
  for
• 24:26
  the
• 24:26
  club
• 24:26
  four
• 24:27
  years
• 24:27
  longer
• 24:28
  than
• 24:28
  most
• 24:28
  my
• 24:28
  teammates
• 24:29
  had
• 24:29
  been
• 24:29
  alive.
• 24:30
  I
• 24:30
  was
• 24:31
  44
• 24:32
  and
• 24:32
  they
• 24:32
  were
• 24:33
  like
• 24:34
  18
• 24:34
  to
• 24:35
  22.
• 24:36
  So,
• 24:36
  yeah,
• 24:37
  no,
• 24:37
  I
• 24:37
  am
• 24:37
  getting
• 24:37
  a
• 24:37
  bit
• 24:37
  old
• 24:37
  for
• 24:38
  it,
• 24:38
  but
• 24:38
  I
• 24:38
  like
• 24:38
  it.
• 24:39
  Well,
• 24:40
  well
• 24:40
  done
• 24:40
  you,
• 24:41
  you.
• 24:41
  I
• 24:41
  mean,
• 24:41
  you've
• 24:41
  spoken
• 24:42
  a
• 24:42
  bit
• 24:42
  about
• 24:42
  your
• 24:42
  dad
• 24:43
  and
• 24:43
  your
• 24:43
  grandfather
• 24:44
  and
• 24:45
  I
• 24:45
  know
• 24:45
  we
• 24:45
  spoke
• 24:46
  before
• 24:46
  we
• 24:46
  started
• 24:46
  recording
• 24:47
  about
• 24:47
  what
• 24:48
  they
• 24:48
  achieved
• 24:48
  in
• 24:49
  terms
• 24:49
  of.
• 24:50
  They
• 24:50
  were
• 24:50
  very
• 24:50
  pioneering
• 24:51
  in
• 24:52
  East
• 24:52
  Lothian
• 24:53
  and
• 24:53
  your
• 24:53
  dad
• 24:53
  sounds
• 24:54
  like,
• 24:54
  you
• 24:54
  know,
• 24:54
  embracing
• 24:55
  AI.
• 24:55
  How
• 24:56
  fantastic
• 24:56
  76
• 24:57
  is.
• 24:57
  He's
• 24:58
  way
• 24:58
  ahead
• 24:58
  of
• 24:58
  you,
• 24:59
  it
• 24:59
  seems,
• 24:59
  in
• 24:59
  terms
• 25:00
  of
• 25:00
  technology.
• 25:01
  It
• 25:01
  seems
• 25:02
  to
• 25:02
  be
• 25:02
  a
• 25:02
  real.
• 25:02
  I
• 25:03
  know
• 25:03
  you
• 25:03
  don't
• 25:03
  like
• 25:03
  the
• 25:03
  word
• 25:04
  entrepreneurial,
• 25:04
  but
• 25:05
  enterprising
• 25:06
  spirit
• 25:06
  within
• 25:06
  your
• 25:06
  family.
• 25:08
  Yeah,
• 25:08
  I
• 25:08
  would
• 25:09
  say
• 25:09
  so.
• 25:10
  And
• 25:10
  is
• 25:10
  that,
• 25:10
  I
• 25:10
  mean,
• 25:10
  is
• 25:11
  that
• 25:11
  quite.
• 25:11
  I
• 25:11
  mean,
• 25:11
  I
• 25:11
  wonder.
• 25:12
  With
• 25:12
  that
• 25:12
  becomes,
• 25:13
  I
• 25:13
  suppose,
• 25:14
  comes
• 25:14
  the
• 25:14
  encouragement
• 25:15
  that
• 25:15
  they've
• 25:16
  done
• 25:16
  it.
• 25:16
  So
• 25:16
  you
• 25:16
  see
• 25:17
  them
• 25:17
  and
• 25:18
  you
• 25:18
  want
• 25:18
  to
• 25:19
  emulate
• 25:19
  that.
• 25:19
  But
• 25:19
  is
• 25:20
  there
• 25:20
  pressure
• 25:20
  there
• 25:20
  as
• 25:21
  well?
• 25:21
  Oh,
• 25:22
  no
• 25:22
  pressure.
• 25:23
  No,
• 25:23
  definitely
• 25:23
  not.
• 25:24
  I'm
• 25:24
  just
• 25:25
  so
• 25:25
  lucky
• 25:25
  that
• 25:25
  my
• 25:26
  mum
• 25:26
  and
• 25:26
  dad
• 25:26
  have
• 25:26
  been
• 25:27
  so
• 25:27
  supportive
• 25:28
  for
• 25:28
  every
• 25:28
  turn
• 25:29
  right
• 25:29
  the
• 25:29
  way
• 25:29
  through.
• 25:30
  But
• 25:30
  there's
• 25:30
  definitely
• 25:31
  never
• 25:32
  been
• 25:32
  any
• 25:32
  pressure
• 25:33
  from
• 25:33
  anyone.
• 25:33
  I
• 25:33
  mean,
• 25:35
  When
• 25:35
  I
• 25:35
  was
• 25:35
  20
• 25:36
  and
• 25:36
  started
• 25:36
  FRM,
• 25:37
  a
• 25:37
  lot
• 25:37
  of
• 25:37
  people
• 25:37
  said,
• 25:37
  look,
• 25:38
  come
• 25:38
  on,
• 25:38
  just
• 25:38
  go
• 25:38
  and
• 25:38
  get
• 25:38
  a
• 25:39
  job,
• 25:39
  you
• 25:39
  don't
• 25:40
  need
• 25:40
  to
• 25:40
  do
• 25:40
  this
• 25:40
  now.
• 25:41
  But
• 25:41
  I
• 25:41
  didn't
• 25:42
  listen
• 25:42
  and
• 25:42
  they
• 25:43
  all
• 25:43
  came
• 25:43
  back
• 25:43
  and
• 25:43
  said
• 25:43
  they
• 25:44
  were
• 25:44
  sorry
• 25:44
  and
• 25:44
  they
• 25:44
  were
• 25:44
  wrong.
• 25:45
  That
• 25:46
  so.
• 25:47
  But
• 25:47
  no.
• 25:48
  And
• 25:48
  how
• 25:48
  do
• 25:48
  you
• 25:49
  approach
• 25:49
  that
• 25:49
  with
• 25:50
  your
• 25:50
  girls
• 25:50
  coming?
• 25:50
  I
• 25:50
  mean,
• 25:51
  are
• 25:51
  they
• 25:51
  interested
• 25:51
  in
• 25:51
  farming?
• 25:52
  How
• 25:52
  involved
• 25:52
  are
• 25:52
  they?
• 25:54
  So
• 25:54
  the
• 25:55
  oldest,
• 25:55
  Hannah,
• 25:56
  she
• 25:57
  is
• 25:58
  interested
• 25:58
  in
• 25:59
  animals
• 25:59
  and,
• 25:59
  you
• 26:00
  know,
• 26:00
  might
• 26:00
  go
• 26:00
  and
• 26:01
  do,
• 26:01
  you
• 26:01
  know,
• 26:01
  veterinary
• 26:02
  nursing
• 26:02
  at
• 26:03
  uni.
• 26:04
  Yeah.
• 26:04
  So
• 26:04
  they're
• 26:05
  interested.
• 26:06
  I
• 26:06
  wouldn't
• 26:07
  say
• 26:07
  they're
• 26:07
  particularly
• 26:08
  interested
• 26:08
  in
• 26:08
  the
• 26:08
  composting
• 26:09
  side
• 26:09
  of
• 26:09
  things.
• 26:10
  Ellen,
• 26:10
  the.
• 26:11
  Our
• 26:11
  youngest,
• 26:12
  she
• 26:12
  invested.
• 26:12
  One
• 26:13
  day
• 26:13
  she
• 26:13
  heard
• 26:14
  me
• 26:14
  saying
• 26:14
  that
• 26:15
  Bruce
• 26:15
  was
• 26:16
  really
• 26:16
  tight
• 26:16
  for
• 26:16
  money,
• 26:18
  which
• 26:18
  like
• 26:19
  most
• 26:19
  businesses,
• 26:19
  you
• 26:20
  know,
• 26:20
  it's
• 26:20
  the
• 26:21
  case
• 26:21
  a
• 26:21
  lot
• 26:21
  of
• 26:21
  the
• 26:21
  time.
• 26:21
  And
• 26:22
  she
• 26:22
  said,
• 26:22
  dad,
• 26:22
  I've
• 26:23
  got
• 26:23
  some
• 26:23
  savings,
• 26:24
  I
• 26:24
  could
• 26:24
  help
• 26:24
  you.
• 26:25
  So
• 26:25
  she
• 26:25
  went
• 26:25
  upstairs
• 26:25
  and
• 26:26
  she
• 26:26
  got
• 26:26
  all
• 26:26
  her
• 26:26
  money.
• 26:26
  He
• 26:27
  came
• 26:27
  back
• 26:27
  down
• 26:27
  with
• 26:27
  £45
• 26:28
  and
• 26:28
  invested
• 26:29
  it
• 26:29
  in
• 26:29
  Bros.
• 26:30
  So,
• 26:31
  yeah,
• 26:31
  that
• 26:31
  was
• 26:31
  very
• 26:32
  sweet.
• 26:32
  So
• 26:32
  I
• 26:33
  think
• 26:33
  Ellen,
• 26:34
  she's
• 26:35
  also
• 26:35
  got
• 26:35
  an
• 26:36
  old
• 26:37
  trailer
• 26:37
  that
• 26:37
  she's
• 26:38
  trying
• 26:38
  to
• 26:38
  turn
• 26:38
  into
• 26:38
  a
• 26:39
  pizza
• 26:40
  wagon
• 26:40
  to
• 26:40
  sell
• 26:41
  pizzas,
• 26:41
  which
• 26:42
  I
• 26:42
  think
• 26:42
  given
• 26:42
  she's
• 26:43
  11,
• 26:43
  it's
• 26:43
  pretty
• 26:43
  good.
• 26:44
  I
• 26:44
  think
• 26:44
  that's
• 26:45
  pretty
• 26:45
  good.
• 26:45
  So
• 26:45
  that
• 26:45
  spirit's.
• 26:46
  That
• 26:46
  spirit's
• 26:47
  carrying
• 26:47
  on.
• 26:47
  Yeah,
• 26:48
  hope
• 26:48
  so.
• 26:49
  I
• 26:49
  mean,
• 26:49
  I
• 26:49
  think
• 26:50
  it's
• 26:50
  interesting,
• 26:50
  isn't
• 26:50
  it,
• 26:50
  what,
• 26:51
  what
• 26:51
  children,
• 26:51
  what
• 26:52
  you
• 26:52
  see
• 26:52
  and
• 26:53
  what
• 26:53
  they
• 26:53
  pick
• 26:53
  up
• 26:54
  as
• 26:54
  well
• 26:54
  and
• 26:54
  how
• 26:55
  that
• 26:55
  can
• 26:55
  really
• 26:55
  affect
• 26:56
  them.
• 26:57
  Yeah.
• 26:57
  She's
• 26:57
  worrying
• 26:58
  about
• 26:58
  her
• 26:58
  dad,
• 26:58
  isn't
• 26:59
  she?
• 26:59
  Or,
• 26:59
  you
• 26:59
  know,
• 26:59
  and.
• 27:00
  And
• 27:00
  then
• 27:00
  the
• 27:00
  business.
• 27:01
  Yeah,
• 27:02
  yeah.
• 27:02
  I
• 27:02
  think
• 27:02
  she's
• 27:02
  trying
• 27:02
  to
• 27:03
  make
• 27:03
  money.
• 27:04
  Oh,
• 27:04
  I
• 27:04
  see.
• 27:05
  Okay.
• 27:05
  I
• 27:05
  think
• 27:06
  that's
• 27:06
  what,
• 27:06
  that's
• 27:06
  what
• 27:06
  we're,
• 27:07
  we're
• 27:07
  all
• 27:07
  doing
• 27:07
  now.
• 27:08
  Right
• 27:09
  at
• 27:09
  the
• 27:09
  beginning
• 27:09
  of
• 27:09
  the
• 27:09
  chat,
• 27:09
  we
• 27:10
  spoke
• 27:10
  about
• 27:10
  Fraser.
• 27:11
  You
• 27:11
  explained
• 27:11
  that
• 27:11
  you'd
• 27:11
  been
• 27:11
  out
• 27:12
  with
• 27:12
  him
• 27:12
  this
• 27:12
  morning,
• 27:12
  and
• 27:13
  there
• 27:13
  seems
• 27:13
  to
• 27:13
  be
• 27:13
  a
• 27:14
  bit
• 27:14
  of
• 27:14
  a
• 27:14
  theme
• 27:15
  from
• 27:15
  the
• 27:15
  word
• 27:16
  go
• 27:16
  from
• 27:16
  your,
• 27:17
  you
• 27:17
  know,
• 27:17
  university
• 27:18
  early,
• 27:19
  early
• 27:19
  days
• 27:19
  of
• 27:20
  wanting
• 27:20
  to
• 27:21
  give
• 27:21
  back
• 27:22
  and,
• 27:22
  and
• 27:22
  help
• 27:23
  and
• 27:23
  be
• 27:23
  very
• 27:23
  much
• 27:23
  part
• 27:24
  of
• 27:24
  the
• 27:24
  community.
• 27:25
  That's.
• 27:26
  That
• 27:26
  seems
• 27:26
  very
• 27:27
  important
• 27:27
  to
• 27:27
  you.
• 27:27
  And
• 27:28
  where
• 27:28
  do
• 27:28
  you
• 27:28
  think
• 27:29
  that
• 27:29
  comes
• 27:30
  from?
• 27:32
  Well,
• 27:33
  I
• 27:33
  think
• 27:33
  just,
• 27:34
  you
• 27:34
  know,
• 27:34
  raised
• 27:35
  to
• 27:35
  know
• 27:35
  the
• 27:35
  difference
• 27:36
  between
• 27:36
  right
• 27:36
  and
• 27:36
  wrong.
• 27:36
  And
• 27:37
  it's
• 27:37
  not
• 27:37
  all
• 27:37
  about
• 27:38
  money.
• 27:39
  And
• 27:40
  I
• 27:41
  suppose,
• 27:42
  like
• 27:42
  people,
• 27:43
  I
• 27:44
  just.
• 27:45
  I
• 27:45
  don't
• 27:45
  know.
• 27:46
  How
• 27:46
  rewarding
• 27:46
  is
• 27:47
  that
• 27:47
  for
• 27:47
  you?
• 27:48
  Oh,
• 27:48
  very
• 27:49
  rewarding.
• 27:49
  I
• 27:49
  mean,
• 27:49
  I'm
• 27:50
  far
• 27:50
  more
• 27:50
  interested
• 27:51
  in
• 27:51
  frm,
• 27:51
  like,
• 27:52
  you
• 27:52
  know,
• 27:52
  of
• 27:52
  course,
• 27:53
  profit
• 27:53
  is
• 27:54
  crucial.
• 27:54
  Like,
• 27:54
  you
• 27:55
  know,
• 27:55
  you
• 27:55
  ain't
• 27:55
  got
• 27:55
  a
• 27:55
  business
• 27:56
  unless
• 27:56
  you
• 27:56
  can
• 27:56
  keep
• 27:56
  the
• 27:57
  profit
• 27:57
  coming
• 27:57
  in.
• 27:58
  But,
• 27:58
  you
• 27:58
  know,
• 27:58
  we're
• 27:59
  not
• 27:59
  just
• 27:59
  about
• 27:59
  that.
• 28:00
  And,
• 28:00
  and
• 28:00
  if
• 28:00
  you
• 28:00
  look
• 28:01
  at
• 28:01
  our
• 28:01
  team,
• 28:02
  a
• 28:02
  lot
• 28:03
  of
• 28:03
  the
• 28:03
  guys
• 28:04
  that
• 28:04
  are
• 28:04
  in
• 28:04
  the
• 28:04
  middle
• 28:04
  management
• 28:05
  now
• 28:05
  started
• 28:05
  with
• 28:06
  us
• 28:06
  as
• 28:06
  litter
• 28:06
  pickers
• 28:07
  when
• 28:07
  they're
• 28:07
  in
• 28:07
  their
• 28:07
  Teens
• 28:07
  or
• 28:08
  early
• 28:08
  twenties
• 28:09
  and
• 28:10
  things
• 28:10
  like
• 28:10
  that,
• 28:10
  I
• 28:11
  just
• 28:11
  find
• 28:11
  brilliant
• 28:12
  when
• 28:12
  you
• 28:12
  can
• 28:13
  see
• 28:13
  people
• 28:13
  progress,
• 28:14
  guys
• 28:14
  that
• 28:14
  are
• 28:14
  coming
• 28:15
  to
• 28:15
  you
• 28:15
  through
• 28:16
  a
• 28:16
  training
• 28:16
  scheme.
• 28:17
  Well,
• 28:18
  the
• 28:18
  folk
• 28:18
  at
• 28:18
  Bros,
• 28:22
  it
• 28:22
  was
• 28:22
  a
• 28:23
  kickstart
• 28:23
  scheme.
• 28:24
  And
• 28:24
  Josh,
• 28:25
  who's
• 28:25
  the
• 28:25
  MD
• 28:26
  at
• 28:26
  Bros,
• 28:26
  or
• 28:27
  CEO,
• 28:27
  he's
• 28:27
  American,
• 28:28
  he
• 28:28
  calls
• 28:28
  himself
• 28:29
  a
• 28:29
  CEO,
• 28:29
  but
• 28:29
  let's
• 28:29
  call
• 28:30
  him
• 28:30
  the
• 28:30
  managing
• 28:30
  director,
• 28:33
  took
• 28:33
  on
• 28:34
  all
• 28:34
  these
• 28:34
  youngsters
• 28:35
  that
• 28:35
  never
• 28:36
  had
• 28:36
  jobs
• 28:36
  before
• 28:37
  because
• 28:37
  he
• 28:37
  got
• 28:37
  them
• 28:38
  paid
• 28:38
  for
• 28:38
  by
• 28:38
  the
• 28:38
  East
• 28:39
  Louis
• 28:39
  Council.
• 28:40
  And
• 28:41
  I
• 28:41
  said,
• 28:41
  josh,
• 28:41
  surely
• 28:42
  can't
• 28:42
  have
• 28:42
  all
• 28:43
  your
• 28:43
  staff
• 28:43
  from,
• 28:44
  you
• 28:44
  know,
• 28:45
  with
• 28:45
  no
• 28:45
  experience.
• 28:46
  But
• 28:46
  it
• 28:46
  was
• 28:47
  unbelievable.
• 28:47
  I
• 28:47
  was
• 28:47
  so
• 28:48
  wrong.
• 28:48
  It
• 28:48
  worked
• 28:48
  amazingly.
• 28:49
  And
• 28:50
  Brendan
• 28:50
  and
• 28:51
  Tyler
• 28:51
  and
• 28:51
  the
• 28:51
  team
• 28:51
  there,
• 28:52
  they
• 28:52
  just,
• 28:52
  they're
• 28:53
  doing
• 28:53
  so
• 28:53
  well
• 28:53
  and
• 28:54
  they've
• 28:54
  been
• 28:54
  there
• 28:54
  since.
• 28:55
  Since
• 28:55
  the
• 28:55
  start.
• 28:56
  So
• 28:56
  I
• 28:56
  think
• 28:57
  seeing
• 28:57
  that
• 28:58
  is,
• 28:59
  you
• 28:59
  know,
• 28:59
  I
• 28:59
  see
• 28:59
  businesses
• 29:00
  being
• 29:01
  able
• 29:01
  to
• 29:01
  be
• 29:01
  a
• 29:01
  force
• 29:01
  for
• 29:02
  good
• 29:02
  and
• 29:03
  that's
• 29:03
  what
• 29:03
  I
• 29:03
  like.
• 29:04
  If
• 29:05
  you
• 29:05
  could
• 29:05
  go
• 29:05
  back
• 29:06
  and
• 29:06
  start
• 29:07
  again,
• 29:07
  go
• 29:08
  back
• 29:08
  to
• 29:08
  young
• 29:09
  Tommy
• 29:10
  University,
• 29:11
  would
• 29:11
  you?
• 29:12
  Well,
• 29:13
  get
• 29:13
  another
• 29:13
  shot.
• 29:13
  Knowing
• 29:14
  what
• 29:14
  I
• 29:14
  know
• 29:14
  now,
• 29:14
  how
• 29:15
  could
• 29:15
  you
• 29:15
  not?
• 29:15
  I
• 29:16
  mean,
• 29:16
  like,
• 29:17
  oh,
• 29:17
  my
• 29:18
  word,
• 29:18
  what
• 29:18
  an
• 29:18
  opportunity
• 29:19
  that
• 29:19
  would
• 29:19
  be.
• 29:20
  Just,
• 29:21
  yeah,
• 29:21
  a
• 29:21
  lot
• 29:22
  of
• 29:22
  time
• 29:22
  and
• 29:22
  effort
• 29:23
  spent
• 29:24
  on
• 29:24
  things
• 29:25
  that
• 29:25
  were
• 29:25
  complete
• 29:25
  waste
• 29:25
  of
• 29:26
  time.
• 29:26
  We
• 29:26
  just
• 29:27
  got
• 29:27
  rid
• 29:27
  of
• 29:28
  our
• 29:29
  timber
• 29:29
  haulage
• 29:29
  business.
• 29:29
  We've
• 29:30
  got
• 29:30
  quite
• 29:30
  a
• 29:30
  lot
• 29:30
  of
• 29:30
  lorries,
• 29:31
  got
• 29:31
  maybe
• 29:31
  20
• 29:31
  trucks
• 29:32
  and
• 29:32
  FRM,
• 29:32
  but
• 29:32
  we
• 29:33
  had
• 29:33
  a
• 29:33
  timber
• 29:33
  haulage
• 29:34
  business
• 29:34
  and
• 29:36
  like
• 29:36
  2009
• 29:38
  till
• 29:39
  now,
• 29:40
  hauling
• 29:40
  logs,
• 29:41
  hundreds
• 29:42
  of
• 29:42
  tons
• 29:42
  of
• 29:42
  logs
• 29:43
  a
• 29:43
  day,
• 29:43
  and
• 29:44
  we
• 29:44
  couldn't
• 29:45
  make
• 29:45
  it
• 29:45
  work
• 29:45
  where
• 29:45
  we
• 29:45
  are.
• 29:47
  So
• 29:47
  if
• 29:48
  I
• 29:48
  could
• 29:48
  miss
• 29:49
  out
• 29:49
  certain
• 29:49
  things,
• 29:51
  I'd
• 29:51
  be
• 29:51
  quite
• 29:51
  happy
• 29:52
  about
• 29:52
  that.
• 29:52
  Tommy,
• 29:53
  you've
• 29:53
  been
• 29:53
  very
• 29:54
  open
• 29:54
  with
• 29:54
  us
• 29:55
  today
• 29:56
  and
• 29:56
  the
• 29:57
  impression
• 29:57
  often
• 29:58
  is
• 29:58
  of
• 29:58
  farmers
• 29:59
  that
• 29:59
  they
• 29:59
  are
• 29:59
  closed
• 30:00
  books
• 30:00
  and
• 30:00
  they
• 30:00
  don't
• 30:01
  like
• 30:01
  to
• 30:01
  share
• 30:01
  because
• 30:01
  they
• 30:02
  don't
• 30:02
  like
• 30:02
  to
• 30:02
  show
• 30:03
  the
• 30:03
  weakness
• 30:04
  or
• 30:04
  the
• 30:04
  chinks
• 30:05
  in
• 30:05
  the
• 30:05
  armour.
• 30:06
  Do
• 30:06
  you
• 30:06
  think
• 30:06
  that's
• 30:07
  getting
• 30:07
  better?
• 30:07
  Do
• 30:08
  you
• 30:08
  think
• 30:08
  farmers
• 30:08
  are
• 30:08
  getting
• 30:09
  better
• 30:09
  at
• 30:09
  being
• 30:09
  more
• 30:09
  open
• 30:10
  and
• 30:10
  sharing?
• 30:11
  I'd
• 30:12
  like
• 30:12
  to
• 30:12
  think
• 30:12
  so.
• 30:13
  And
• 30:13
  I
• 30:13
  think
• 30:13
  it's
• 30:14
  important
• 30:14
  to,
• 30:15
  you
• 30:15
  know,
• 30:15
  likes
• 30:16
  of
• 30:16
  myself.
• 30:16
  That's
• 30:16
  why
• 30:17
  I'm
• 30:17
  quite
• 30:18
  open
• 30:18
  about
• 30:18
  it.
• 30:20
  My
• 30:20
  brother,
• 30:22
  he's
• 30:24
  bipolar
• 30:24
  and
• 30:25
  Robbie
• 30:25
  is
• 30:25
  fantastic
• 30:26
  at
• 30:27
  being
• 30:27
  able
• 30:27
  to
• 30:27
  talk
• 30:28
  about
• 30:28
  that
• 30:28
  as
• 30:28
  well.
• 30:29
  And
• 30:29
  I
• 30:29
  think
• 30:30
  both
• 30:30
  of
• 30:30
  us
• 30:30
  recognize
• 30:31
  the
• 30:31
  power
• 30:31
  and
• 30:32
  being
• 30:32
  able
• 30:32
  to
• 30:33
  share
• 30:33
  experience
• 30:33
  and
• 30:34
  just
• 30:35
  encourage
• 30:35
  others
• 30:36
  because
• 30:36
  sadly,
• 30:37
  so
• 30:37
  many
• 30:37
  folk
• 30:38
  in
• 30:38
  the
• 30:38
  past
• 30:39
  and
• 30:39
  today
• 30:40
  don't
• 30:41
  and
• 30:41
  they
• 30:41
  try
• 30:41
  and
• 30:42
  keep
• 30:42
  it
• 30:42
  hidden
• 30:43
  and
• 30:43
  then
• 30:43
  they
• 30:43
  don't
• 30:44
  get
• 30:44
  the
• 30:44
  support
• 30:44
  from
• 30:45
  their
• 30:45
  loved
• 30:45
  ones
• 30:45
  that
• 30:46
  maybe
• 30:46
  they
• 30:46
  might
• 30:46
  have
• 30:46
  got
• 30:46
  if
• 30:47
  they.
• 30:47
  If
• 30:47
  they
• 30:47
  had
• 30:48
  been
• 30:48
  more
• 30:48
  open.
• 30:49
  So
• 30:49
  that's
• 30:49
  why
• 30:49
  I
• 30:50
  was
• 30:50
  happy
• 30:50
  to
• 30:50
  come
• 30:50
  on
• 30:51
  to
• 30:51
  the
• 30:51
  podcast
• 30:51
  and
• 30:54
  not
• 30:54
  just
• 30:54
  talk
• 30:54
  about
• 30:55
  the
• 30:55
  positives
• 30:56
  and
• 30:56
  what's
• 30:57
  gone
• 30:57
  well,
• 30:57
  but
• 30:58
  just
• 30:58
  talk
• 30:58
  about
• 30:58
  the
• 30:58
  challenges
• 30:59
  and
• 30:59
  what
• 30:59
  hasn't.
• 31:01
  And
• 31:01
  I
• 31:01
  think
• 31:01
  that's
• 31:02
  the
• 31:02
  whole
• 31:02
  point
• 31:02
  of
• 31:02
  the
• 31:02
  podcast,
• 31:03
  is
• 31:03
  people
• 31:03
  like
• 31:03
  you
• 31:04
  sharing
• 31:04
  makes
• 31:04
  other
• 31:05
  people
• 31:05
  think
• 31:05
  they're
• 31:05
  not
• 31:06
  alone
• 31:07
  and
• 31:07
  that
• 31:07
  they
• 31:07
  can
• 31:08
  reach
• 31:08
  out
• 31:08
  to
• 31:08
  others
• 31:09
  and
• 31:09
  get
• 31:09
  help.
• 31:10
  And
• 31:10
  I
• 31:10
  just
• 31:11
  wonder
• 31:12
  your
• 31:12
  sort
• 31:12
  of
• 31:12
  middle
• 31:13
  age,
• 31:14
  you
• 31:14
  know,
• 31:14
  sometimes,
• 31:15
  as
• 31:15
  you
• 31:15
  said,
• 31:15
  sometimes
• 31:16
  things
• 31:16
  bear
• 31:16
  down
• 31:17
  in
• 31:17
  you
• 31:17
  and
• 31:17
  I
• 31:17
  just
• 31:17
  wonder,
• 31:18
  you
• 31:18
  know,
• 31:19
  with
• 31:19
  your
• 31:19
  brother,
• 31:21
  that
• 31:21
  must,
• 31:22
  I
• 31:22
  suppose,
• 31:22
  I
• 31:23
  don't
• 31:23
  know
• 31:23
  where
• 31:23
  I'm
• 31:23
  going
• 31:23
  with
• 31:23
  this,
• 31:24
  but
• 31:24
  I
• 31:24
  suppose
• 31:25
  that
• 31:25
  means
• 31:25
  that
• 31:25
  you're
• 31:26
  very
• 31:26
  open
• 31:27
  and
• 31:27
  very
• 31:27
  sensitive
• 31:28
  to
• 31:28
  when
• 31:29
  people
• 31:29
  are
• 31:30
  not
• 31:30
  coping.
• 31:32
  Yeah.
• 31:32
  And
• 31:32
  that's
• 31:33
  maybe
• 31:33
  a
• 31:33
  factor.
• 31:35
  And
• 31:35
  you
• 31:36
  know,
• 31:36
  having
• 31:36
  lost
• 31:37
  friends
• 31:37
  over
• 31:37
  the
• 31:38
  years
• 31:38
  to
• 31:38
  suicide
• 31:39
  and
• 31:40
  other,
• 31:41
  you
• 31:41
  know,
• 31:42
  mental
• 31:42
  health,
• 31:42
  the
• 31:43
  struggle
• 31:43
  with
• 31:43
  mental
• 31:43
  health,
• 31:43
  you
• 31:44
  know,
• 31:44
  there's
• 31:44
  so
• 31:44
  much
• 31:44
  of
• 31:45
  it
• 31:45
  about
• 31:46
  and,
• 31:47
  you
• 31:47
  know,
• 31:47
  we
• 31:47
  are
• 31:48
  getting,
• 31:48
  collectively
• 31:49
  getting
• 31:49
  better
• 31:50
  at
• 31:50
  speaking
• 31:50
  about
• 31:51
  it.
• 31:51
  But
• 31:52
  hopefully
• 31:52
  the
• 31:53
  aim
• 31:53
  of
• 31:53
  the
• 31:53
  game
• 31:53
  has
• 31:54
  to
• 31:54
  be
• 31:54
  through
• 31:54
  learning
• 31:55
  and
• 31:55
  through
• 31:55
  speaking
• 31:56
  that
• 31:56
  in
• 31:56
  future
• 31:57
  we
• 31:57
  can
• 31:57
  try
• 31:57
  and
• 31:57
  get
• 31:58
  to
• 31:58
  a
• 31:58
  point
• 31:58
  where,
• 31:58
  you
• 31:59
  know,
• 31:59
  we
• 31:59
  can
• 31:59
  help
• 31:59
  folk
• 32:00
  before
• 32:00
  they
• 32:00
  get
• 32:01
  into
• 32:01
  such
• 32:01
  dark
• 32:02
  circumstances
• 32:03
  and
• 32:03
  people
• 32:03
  like
• 32:03
  me
• 32:04
  can
• 32:04
  learn
• 32:04
  and
• 32:05
  listen
• 32:05
  to
• 32:05
  others.
• 32:06
  My
• 32:06
  younger
• 32:06
  Tommy,
• 32:07
  so
• 32:07
  that
• 32:07
  you
• 32:07
  don't
• 32:08
  just
• 32:08
  keep
• 32:08
  throwing
• 32:09
  yourself
• 32:09
  at
• 32:09
  something
• 32:10
  until
• 32:10
  you
• 32:10
  break,
• 32:11
  you
• 32:11
  know.
• 32:11
  So
• 32:12
  going
• 32:12
  back
• 32:12
  to
• 32:12
  your
• 32:12
  question
• 32:12
  earlier,
• 32:13
  it's
• 32:13
  like
• 32:13
  if
• 32:13
  I
• 32:13
  change
• 32:14
  something,
• 32:14
  well,
• 32:15
  I
• 32:15
  would
• 32:15
  know
• 32:15
  where
• 32:15
  my
• 32:16
  breaking
• 32:16
  point
• 32:16
  is.
• 32:17
  So
• 32:17
  if
• 32:17
  I
• 32:18
  was
• 32:18
  doing
• 32:18
  this
• 32:18
  again,
• 32:18
  I
• 32:18
  wouldn't
• 32:19
  maybe
• 32:19
  have
• 32:19
  broken
• 32:20
  like
• 32:20
  that.
• 32:22
  And
• 32:22
  how
• 32:22
  does
• 32:22
  your,
• 32:23
  you
• 32:23
  know,
• 32:23
  what
• 32:23
  is
• 32:23
  your
• 32:24
  relationship
• 32:24
  with
• 32:24
  your
• 32:24
  brother
• 32:25
  like?
• 32:25
  Oh,
• 32:26
  brilliant.
• 32:26
  Great.
• 32:26
  He's
• 32:27
  fantastic.
• 32:27
  I'm
• 32:28
  very
• 32:28
  proud
• 32:28
  of
• 32:28
  him.
• 32:29
  He
• 32:30
  had
• 32:30
  the
• 32:30
  idea
• 32:30
  for
• 32:30
  the
• 32:30
  oat
• 32:31
  milk.
• 32:32
  That's
• 32:32
  his
• 32:32
  project.
• 32:33
  Well,
• 32:34
  he's
• 32:34
  part
• 32:34
  of
• 32:34
  the
• 32:34
  team,
• 32:35
  but
• 32:35
  it
• 32:35
  was
• 32:35
  his
• 32:35
  idea.
• 32:36
  Yeah.
• 32:36
  And
• 32:37
  what,
• 32:37
  you
• 32:37
  know,
• 32:37
  the
• 32:37
  most
• 32:37
  valuable
• 32:38
  lesson
• 32:39
  you've
• 32:39
  learned
• 32:39
  along
• 32:40
  the
• 32:40
  way
• 32:41
  probably
• 32:42
  don't
• 32:42
  give
• 32:42
  up.
• 32:43
  You
• 32:43
  know,
• 32:43
  there'll
• 32:44
  be
• 32:44
  a
• 32:44
  lot
• 32:44
  of
• 32:44
  folk
• 32:45
  that'll
• 32:45
  give
• 32:45
  up
• 32:46
  when,
• 32:46
  if
• 32:46
  they
• 32:47
  just
• 32:47
  kept
• 32:47
  plowing
• 32:48
  on
• 32:48
  or
• 32:48
  made
• 32:48
  a
• 32:48
  few
• 32:49
  changes,
• 32:50
  might
• 32:51
  have
• 32:51
  made
• 32:51
  it.
• 32:52
  But
• 32:53
  the
• 32:53
  other
• 32:53
  side
• 32:53
  of
• 32:53
  that
• 32:53
  is,
• 32:54
  is
• 32:54
  knowing
• 32:54
  to
• 32:55
  when
• 32:55
  to
• 32:55
  give
• 32:55
  up.
• 32:56
  You
• 32:56
  know,
• 32:56
  like
• 32:57
  for
• 32:57
  us,
• 32:57
  we're
• 32:58
  just
• 32:58
  coming
• 32:58
  out
• 32:58
  of
• 32:58
  agricultural
• 32:59
  contracting.
• 32:59
  I
• 32:59
  thought
• 32:59
  that
• 33:00
  was
• 33:00
  going
• 33:00
  to
• 33:00
  be
• 33:00
  the
• 33:00
  dream,
• 33:01
  you
• 33:01
  know,
• 33:01
  not
• 33:01
  going
• 33:02
  to
• 33:02
  be
• 33:02
  a
• 33:02
  proper
• 33:02
  full
• 33:03
  time
• 33:03
  farmer,
• 33:03
  but
• 33:03
  we
• 33:03
  could
• 33:04
  be
• 33:04
  agricultural
• 33:04
  contractors.
• 33:05
  So
• 33:06
  with
• 33:06
  2019,
• 33:07
  we
• 33:07
  bought
• 33:07
  a
• 33:08
  friend's
• 33:08
  contracting
• 33:09
  business
• 33:09
  into
• 33:09
  the
• 33:09
  fold.
• 33:10
  We
• 33:10
  built
• 33:10
  it
• 33:11
  up,
• 33:11
  we
• 33:11
  had
• 33:11
  lots
• 33:11
  of
• 33:11
  tractors
• 33:12
  and
• 33:12
  we
• 33:13
  even
• 33:13
  had
• 33:13
  like
• 33:13
  a
• 33:13
  really
• 33:14
  big
• 33:14
  forage
• 33:14
  harvester,
• 33:15
  like
• 33:15
  a
• 33:15
  proper
• 33:16
  good
• 33:16
  one.
• 33:17
  And
• 33:17
  this
• 33:17
  was
• 33:18
  going
• 33:18
  to
• 33:18
  be
• 33:18
  the
• 33:18
  dream
• 33:19
  quite
• 33:20
  quickly.
• 33:20
  Turned
• 33:20
  out
• 33:20
  to
• 33:21
  be
• 33:21
  an
• 33:21
  absolute
• 33:21
  nightmare.
• 33:22
  You
• 33:23
  know,
• 33:23
  when
• 33:23
  you
• 33:23
  started
• 33:24
  getting
• 33:24
  reports
• 33:24
  back
• 33:25
  of
• 33:25
  a
• 33:25
  video
• 33:25
  spied
• 33:26
  on
• 33:26
  TikTok
• 33:27
  of
• 33:27
  a
• 33:27
  trainee
• 33:28
  tractor
• 33:28
  driver
• 33:28
  racing
• 33:29
  another
• 33:29
  tractor
• 33:29
  driver
• 33:30
  down
• 33:30
  the
• 33:30
  M8
• 33:31
  and
• 33:31
  putting
• 33:31
  it
• 33:31
  on
• 33:31
  TikTok
• 33:32
  Live
• 33:32
  and
• 33:33
  oh
• 33:33
  my
• 33:33
  God,
• 33:34
  just
• 33:35
  no
• 33:36
  end
• 33:36
  of
• 33:36
  issues.
• 33:37
  So
• 33:37
  I've
• 33:37
  got
• 33:38
  so
• 33:38
  much
• 33:38
  respect
• 33:38
  for
• 33:39
  agricultural
• 33:39
  contractors
• 33:40
  and
• 33:40
  timber
• 33:40
  haulers
• 33:41
  and
• 33:41
  farm
• 33:41
  shop
• 33:42
  owners,
• 33:42
  Sarah,
• 33:43
  so,
• 33:43
  you
• 33:44
  know,
• 33:44
  because
• 33:45
  they're
• 33:45
  not
• 33:45
  easy
• 33:46
  gigs.
• 33:49
  Thank
• 33:49
  you
• 33:49
  very
• 33:49
  much,
• 33:49
  Sarah.
• 33:50
  It's
• 33:50
  been
• 33:50
  very
• 33:50
  nice
• 33:51
  speaking
• 33:51
  to
• 33:51
  you.
• 33:52
  A
• 33:52
  huge
• 33:53
  thanks
• 33:53
  to
• 33:53
  Tommy
• 33:54
  Dale.
• 33:54
  And
• 33:54
  of
• 33:55
  course
• 33:55
  you
• 33:55
  can
• 33:55
  find
• 33:55
  links
• 33:56
  to
• 33:56
  all
• 33:56
  of
• 33:56
  Tommy's
• 33:57
  projects
• 33:57
  and
• 33:57
  endeavours
• 33:58
  in
• 33:58
  the
• 33:58
  the
• 33:58
  show
• 33:58
  notes
• 33:59
  for
• 33:59
  this
• 33:59
  episode.
• 34:00
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• 34:00
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• 34:01
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• 34:02
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• 34:02
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• 34:05
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• 34:06
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• 34:06
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• 34:06
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• 34:06
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• 34:07
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• 34:07
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• 34:08
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• 34:08
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• 34:09
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• 34:09
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• 34:09
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• 34:09
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• 34:10
  your
• 34:10
  mental
• 34:10
  well
• 34:11
  being
• 34:11
  and
• 34:11
  what
• 34:12
  you
• 34:12
  might
• 34:12
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• 34:12
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• 34:13
  to
• 34:13
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• 34:13
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• 34:13
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• 34:14
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• 34:14
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• 34:14
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• 34:15
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• 34:15
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• 34:16
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• 34:16
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• 34:16
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• 34:16
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