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#284 - For Azeroth!: “Rounding the Corner” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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As for me, I am like bolstered by the fact that they are
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addressing all of these things. Still.
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I don't get rid of that, sorry. This is just me.
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Like jumping in with the phantom bullshit.
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I'm so sorry. I don't think I would a single
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intelligent thought all episode continuing.
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Where was I for calendar to the? Burning region for Gilnaeus or
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has not died for the Lich King for the Sindora?
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For the Alliance for. The Horde for Azeroth.
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Hello and welcome to another episode of For Azeroth.
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I am one of the triumphant Manny AKA Distributed Manny and I am
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joined by Sean Mini, me and of course Sean himself.
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Hello, Sean. How are you doing?
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I'm good, Manny, I'm good. How are you today?
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Do it. No, no, no, I'm I'm not doing
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OK, guys. This has been a absolutely
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crappy day and I am so glad to escape to Azeroth because yeah,
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IRL garbage. But you know what?
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We got the good stuff coming up. Lex, we're going to have to not
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team up on Manny as much tonight.
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If he was, I can't. Talk yet I haven't been
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introduced. All right, Manny, who else is
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here? Well, you heard that voice and
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you could follow along with Sean's conversation.
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You may have already guessed. We are rejoined by Lex, who has
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who has returned after a week of absence.
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Lex, how are you? I'm great, happy to speak for
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the first time on the show. I'm I'm bopping right along,
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Sean. We're going to have to not team
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up on Manny. That's so much this episode if
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he's having a rough day. That is a good suggestion, I'm
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glad you thought of it. Thank you but no I'm bopping
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right along. I am in beta I did 2 delves and
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I died horribly because I forgot that I had to reset all of my
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like where everything was and also you can't do delves as a
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healer which not a fan. Hoping that's going to go away
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but so anyway I did 2 delves and then I went back to time running
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but I did two delves which is cool like half of two delves
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because I kept dying. What are you working on on time
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running? So here's The thing is I have
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not actually had a lot of play time for the entirety of
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Pandaland. So I am just like really digging
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into it now. And I also just learned that
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like the whole like, Oh well, you can raid and do dungeons and
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stuff and everyone says that's great.
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That wasn't just like a suggestion.
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That's basically the only way to do Pandaland.
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So for a while I was like, you know, floating right along
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getting, you know, a couple levels a day because I didn't
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play for long and I'm not that bad, you know, going along at my
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nice little, little pace. And then I did my first raid and
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I like just blew up my Cape and got like 3 levels and I'm like,
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oh, I get it now. So I'm only at like level 52,
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but I'm I'm getting my hunter up there.
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We're having a great time, OK? Hunter, not Demon Hunter.
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You're real. Hunter, Yeah.
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OK, OK. Go and drain I all.
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Right. And then kind of flipping it
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back over to you, Sean, you've you've left and to land into
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dust. You've got everything you wanted
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out of there. What have you been doing this
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week? This week in game we did our For
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Rock sale on Thursday. OK, yeah, we did that on
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Thursday. Then this weekend I did, oh, I
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did some raid testing. I guess this was last week.
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It's not this week, but I did raid testing and then on the
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weekend the dungeons there I went.
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I did we every season for dungeons, me and some friends.
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We do like a walkthrough. We go into Mythic zero, we do a
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walkthrough the dungeon to see the mechanics, see what
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everything does, what can be kicked, what can't be kicked,
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what can be spell reflected, purged all that.
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We did the four war within dungeons this weekend, three of
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them. We'll do the 4th one probably
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next week. But yes, from that, and I was
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poking around in the maze tower on my guardian Druid, I'm
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really, really bad at it. I'm probably not going to get
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that Fell Bearer skin. I've basically given up already.
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Yeah, my friend said for a mythic Raider, I quit easier
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than anybody he knows. Yeah, well, I can feel myself
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getting better on a raid boss. I know sometimes with the with
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the bage towers, there are just these like cross like complete
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completely random but painful alignments of abilities.
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And it might happen, you know, 30 seconds into fight, it might
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happen 5 minutes into the fight. But it sucks either way.
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And it like it sucks when it happens 5 minutes of the fight
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and then the next attempt you do, it happens like 5 seconds in
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the fight. You're like, wow, I just, I
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thought I was getting better, but it's just no random chance.
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I feel that, I feel that. So if you live in Nova Scotia
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and you're really good at playing Guardian Druid and you
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want to come over to my house and Ouch me, then let me know.
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Feel like that pregnant pause is enough for people to know about
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the winking, but we'll move on. As for me, I've actually been
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doing just some casual gaming myself.
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Was doing the Eben court or back from like you know, shadow
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lands. Everybody loves shadow lands.
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Expansion, as they all say. Best expansion ever.
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So I did the, I did the court that resets every day.
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It's actually pretty involved and and like actually fun to do.
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So I'm enjoying that because I have a few, very few mounts left
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in Shadow Lands and it's between that two dungeons and of course
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the mythic only boss boss drops, which I, I don't pug for those
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raids. I'll do them solo hopefully with
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the War Within. A lot of a lot of casual stuff
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beyond that. I was right there with you
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testing out some of those dungeons and also moving through
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shaman stuff. Guys, we're not going to be
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talking about all the stuff happening with shaman this week.
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We've got a lot of other stuff to cover.
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But basically go back to the quote UN quote winch fest and
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every single thing I suggested Blizzard has done though I am a
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much happier shaman in the War Within and everything I said,
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hey you know what? This is still a problem.
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They haven't addressed it, Blizzard hasn't addressed it.
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So there's still problems to be dealt with in The War Within,
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but we'll get there when we have more information.
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But it's getting close because as we're saying for this
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episode, we are rounding the corner.
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We have just a little bit of time left before the free
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expansion event comes out. And in fact, that's our first
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story today. So I'm going to pass it to you.
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Sean, Tell us a little bit about what's coming up at the end of
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this month. Well Manny, thanks for passing
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this to me because I have the show notes open and prepped and
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ready to go. Lizard release.
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I actually do. I realize how sarcastic that's
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sounded, but they're right. They're right here.
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And. Then we just ignore them.
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I feel bad for you guys. No, I love these show notes.
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These are great show notes. I do read them, I honestly do
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and I hardly ever judge. So the I never, I never I don't
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ever want to have to do the show notes.
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Mandy there for the show notes. Well, I just snobbed myself from
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saying the F word. The show notes are beautiful.
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Mandy, this is the best show notes that have ever been done.
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You are, you are an absolute Angel.
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They're flawless. No notes.
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They're well, yes, notes. Some notes in.
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Fact The show notes show notes was it announced this week that
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we are going to be getting our war within pre patch?
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Season four is coming to an end, thank God.
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We don't know the actual end date of season four, but the pre
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patch is going live on July 23rd with the expansion event
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Reliving Azeroth, Remembering Azeroth, Remember the Titans, A
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Walk to Remember whatever it's called.
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That goes live on July 30th, which is going to end.
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That's going to continue till August 26th.
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That's where you're going to get your go to the portal, kill the
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enemies, spawn an elite, kill the elite, get your loot, rinse
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and repeat for a month. So lots of time to get gear on
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your alts. The gear is significantly lower
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than any year that you have if you've been playing season four
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at all, but I'm sure it'll have some.
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It's a it's a nice purple recolor of the Argus stuff, so
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it's definitely worth checking out for that.
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But it's as an Ave. for anybody who has been playing season
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four, it's not it's not gear. You're going to be like, oh man,
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I need that to upgrade. If you're getting a fresh tune
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come out of Remix, however, it would be a good way to give them
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a boost early. And hopefully we haven't seen an
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announcement yet, but hopefully we have a way to pull characters
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out of remix before the end of the remix event.
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I think that would be really nice for folks who want to take
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their new mains through the event.
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And once season four officially ends again, we do not have a
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date yet. We usually get a two weeks
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warning before the end of the season for the arena folks and
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the mythic plus people. We have not gotten that yet.
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This pre fetch announcement is not the announcement of the
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season four end date. But once season four officially
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ends, we're going to lose the ability to get most of the
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mythic plus achievement. We're going to keep some mythic
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plus achievements available. No word yet on if you can still
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get the frock mount skin, but yeah that's the pre expansion.
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You know, we talk a lot on the show about Blizzard having
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obvious favorites and I would like to point out that the War
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Within pre patch is coming out the second day of Leo season, so
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thank you to Blizzard for that one.
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So you're saying that you are their favorite on this show?
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Well, first of all, as a Leo, I'm everyone's favorite, but
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also specifically Blizzards, yeah.
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Yeah, OK, that tracks. I mean, and I get it, Manny and
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I spend a lot of time telling them what they've done wrong,
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and you're sort of like building them up.
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So that makes sense to me. I get that.
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Yeah. Manny started this show by
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complaining about the changes they made to Shaman to make them
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better. Well, you know, I, I feel like
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there's a lot of things to go through and they have very
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little time and you know, Lex is always saying I don't want him
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working that hard. And I'm just saying that like,
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hey, time's getting short. This is problematic.
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So we're all coming at it from different angles.
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But one thing I do want to point out is the 23rd is next week,
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guys. So I don't know how PvP season
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goes through such a fundamental change as the pre patch, though.
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I don't think they're getting the two week warning.
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I think it's pretty much dead and done.
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I don't know how you would have a PvP season go in when you have
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fundamental changes to multiple multiple specs.
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I know a lot of those are in the hero talents themselves, but new
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defensives for shaman in their in their class tree.
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Some of the that hunter rework. Hunters got a big big rework on
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their base level. I suspect that that's too
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disruptive, so the season is likely not going to survive
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that. And then just spell spell
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coefficients and stuff that have been somewhat changed as well.
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That's so I don't think we're going to get the normal two week
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notice. I would prepare yourselves guys
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for next week being the end, the end of things.
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And maybe they'll give a little warning later this week.
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Watch it right after the show goes live being like season's
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ended. Yeah, they're watching right
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now. Whoever whichever Blizzard dev
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team member is responsible for making that an answer, they
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going you know what? Hey, hey, the new for Azeroth
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just dropped. Somebody let them know the
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season ends next week. And so to counter that garbage,
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we're going to put a little wrench into Blizzard plan for
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Azeroth is going to be changing recording days.
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We're going to be moving over to Wednesdays.
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So it'll take them another week to put it through a patch, stick
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it to them that way. At least they're getting Tuesday
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evenings off now. There you go.
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Monday evenings, yeah. I'm happy I'm This is why I
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voted for Wednesdays, so that the the Blizzard employees
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wouldn't have to listen to us. The team assigned to listening
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to for Azeroth will now be able to have it off.
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There is no spoon. Yeah, so that's sorry.
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That's what I thought of when you did.
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You did. The camera was just blurred.
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It's always just like, OK, I just got to like get it to
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refocus. This is great audio content.
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But yeah, like the Warcraft Twitter account put out a tweet
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just today giving that entire infographic showing, hey, this
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is when the pre patch is coming. This is when the when the event
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is starting and all the stuff with that, the launch and early
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access and of course season one. So there's a lot of info kind of
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overlaid into that into that and a lot of stuff coming.
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I do you have anything that you would want to rush to do before
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the pre patch or are we all kind of just really waiting for the
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pre patch at this point? I loved it and cleared out my
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banks on all my tunes. So I sold everything.
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Sell everything. That's it though.
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I got nothing else. Like I I know I, I, I played
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Warrior in season four. I know I'm playing Warrior in
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the first season of war within unless something extremely
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drastic happens to my raid team then.
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So the for me, it was just like, it's pretty easy.
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I'll probably fire up a couple characters in the war within in
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that early access week, but or three days.
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But yeah, sell sell everything in your in your bank now you'll
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get some value for it at least. People are still buying
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materials. I have no idea why.
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My guess is they're they're seeing that they can still flip
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them or something. Wait, you guys put things in
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your bank? Oh dear.
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I mean, yeah, I, I cleared out my bank.
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I did that earlier because I expected the the prices to just
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drop drastically. Do you not like pick up any kind
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of like rocket boots or levelling stuff?
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Me. Yeah.
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No, no, no, Lex, no. Manny, you think that you?
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First of all, I almost certainly have rocket boots in my bags.
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There's like an almost 100% chance that I have all of this
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and I will never think to use it and it will never go anywhere.
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But no, lovely, OK? For me, the joy of the early
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expansion is that it's the one time that I don't have to be
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good. Like, nobody has any
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expectations. Nobody's asking me to do
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anything. We're all in like leveling mode.
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So I get to pop around, I get to talk to all the little people, I
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get to play with all the little things, I get to go look at all
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the trees. It's great.
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So no, I am certainly not finding ways to make leveling
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easier on myself. OK, but for those of you who
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might wonder like, oh, what would be good?
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Just like we can. Fly we can dragon ride, why
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would we need boots? Because sometimes it's just
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faster to get to a distance. But it's.
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Faster than dragonflying? Yeah, because they work indoors,
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man. You don't need as many as you
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used to. Like it's not like we don't have
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any flying, but they do work indoors.
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They can't, and they can't help you through some stuff.
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I would say beef tartare. It is something that people used
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to use though, that I think they changed that.
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So that's got a cat, A level cap on it, making sure that you have
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like if you don't have your infinite, your infinite gem,
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then there's I would say maybe wait till the last minute, pick
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up the other ones kind of cheap would be a good thing.
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And then just changing around some of your gear so that maybe
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if you got some pieces with some speed or some pieces that are
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allowing you to do more burst damage, having that together so
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that you can go into the mansion and just mow down something
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quickly move on to the next one. That's just good stuff to do.
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These are good tips, Manny, I did not take you for a speed
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leveller. This is this is efficiency that
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I expected not to hear. I, I got to be honest, I thought
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you would have said something along the lines of like, you
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know, slow down, read the quest text.
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The quest team put a lot of effort into these.
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This is your opportunity to do that.
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You don't have to race. That's what's.
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The betas for guys, you want to, you want to go through Questex,
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jump on to the beta. You don't want to pay for the
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beta and you want to go through Questex.
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That's what your alt is for. Like Manny is I Sean, I will say
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Manny is the most organized man I've met in my life.
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Like if you were like who in this group has like a plan of
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things that he does before a new expansion, no question would be
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Manny. And I mean that 100%
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affectionately manly. I think I I, I I'm very
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impressed with your list making and your note taking and your
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doing things appropriately. Yeah, for the people listening
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at home, the chat here at the live show, which happens every
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time we air an episode. Mondays now, Wednesdays next
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week. They're also dropping some
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banger tips. Raya is flipping cheap cloth
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into bags on their realm. We're wondering if the boots
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work in delves. Yamakirk's the only one with the
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right opinion, where they sort of just take their time and
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vibe. Thank you.
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Thank you. That's skilled bias.
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We we throw that one out. No, it's correct.
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It's correct. That's the that's the best
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opinion. Thank you.
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It is. Megan.
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Sir also also said that, you know, make sure this is an
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opportunity to put your stuff in the catalyst for that trans mug
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you're missing. There's a lot.
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Wow. There's a lot more than my my
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flippant. I don't know, just wait for it
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to start, OK? OK, so then moving from just,
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you know, stuff to get yourself levelling, let's actually skip
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a, a portion in the notes. We're going to go to something
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that I think, Lex, you were talking about earlier, Delves.
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Delves. Because you were saying, we were
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saying that like, hey, you're doing Dells.
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Felt really hard. And you know what?
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The team has heard you. Oh, I'm going to let you take
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this one the The Dells and what community manager Linksys has to
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say about that. Yeah, so they announced some new
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Dell tuning and rewards coming in, in the War Within.
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They're going to increase XP given during leveling Blast.
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So you don't actually have to do your quest.
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You can just go into Dells is what I'm getting out of that.
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There's general tuning across all tiers as they were, delves
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were really becoming punishing as you were leveling.
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They, they were saying that specs were feeling like there
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were several item levels higher than what was recommended so
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they could survive. So they're just bringing things
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down, making it a little bit easier, which is really good
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because I thought I was like, Oh my God, I'm so screwed and.
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You were doing this so slowly. So at first I did try unholy.
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So OK, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go on a little bit of a tangent.
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There's a chance that I'm just a little dumb.
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I will, I will put that as the, the possibility at the entrance.
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Beta is so confusing. Like, I swear to God, I don't
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know what I would have done. Frankly, this is one of the
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reasons I haven't done more beta testing is because like I was
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completely lost without like I, I spent so much time trying to
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get to like, I thought that I'd to like accept a quest.
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There was a Legion quest and they didn't let me in and I was
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running around trying to. Accept this goddamn quest
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because it had a little exclamation mark.
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And I'm like, I guess I got to go in there because you go to
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the quest. That's what you do when you play
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World of Warcraft. And then it's like, who?
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There's so many big, huge things.
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It's like, who do I talk to? And they all have little tiles
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you figure out. And then apparently there's like
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different, different servers. Or if you want to do different
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things, I assumed they were going to put me in and tell me
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what to do. And then you have to like you.
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It was very complicated. My first question that I was
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going to ask you and you kind of just answered there was like
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which server did you go on? And then he said, so there's all
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these big guys standing around like, Yep, this one goes to 11.
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Yeah, that's the end game server.
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And if you wanted to do more questing, it's like every other
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server. So you just happened to go to
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the end game realm. It's.
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Not a happen that's the one they put you in.
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Or maybe that's the one. Maybe they just really wanted me
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to suffer. They were like, Lex, gotta have
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a bad time. I had a great time.
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I did very poorly in Dells, but beta is complicated.
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I am very used to World Warcraft like holding my hand and like
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walking me through like, OK, next we're going to do, you're
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going to go over here and you're going to go to the fun little
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exclamation mark and you're going to talk to them.
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And then there's going to be a little arrow and it's going to
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point you in the direction you want to go.
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And that is not how beta is. Beta very much expects you
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understand the concept and then you try to submit a bug report.
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But it's like if like mouse over the right thing, but it'll only
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do bugs first. Like so if you want to submit a
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bug of like this thing isn't working but it's not a thing you
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can mouse over. It's literally I don't
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understand how I'm supposed to submit a bug report about
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anything. I think they need to fix the
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tuning on beta. Beta's too complicated for me.
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But I didn't hit record. Oh no, that's OK, We've got a
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Twitch recording. We'll have to pull it from that.
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Yeah, I can start it now and then we can get it from this
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point forward if you want, or just do Twitch do.
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The twitch work, John, it was all go, go, go, go, go Manny,
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get started now. I thought this was a dull thing,
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like I was trying to like put the things together.
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Wondering why you were so hurt about your like, like wow,
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Sean's really dejected that you're having.
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Some hard time hearing at this. I was like, I feel like there
22:24
should be a way for me to put markers on this because I wanted
22:27
to mark that for a short later. And then I was like, where's my
22:31
mark clip? And then where the mark clip
22:33
button should be was the button that said record that hadn't
22:39
been pressed yet. Yeah, these, these.
22:44
Those make me feel so much better about not figuring out
22:47
beta. Every Everybody has their
22:50
moments. Everybody has their moments.
22:52
Sorry, I'd like to apologize to everybody listening to this show
22:57
or any audio issues this episode.
23:01
I'm mostly very excited for anyone listening to the show
23:03
like show only without this contact where like the audio
23:06
just got so much better. Yeah, they're.
23:10
Like none of the rest. Important I guess.
23:12
Manny just seamlessly edited it and leaves out the part where I
23:14
screwed up. That's basically what's going to
23:17
happen. I would.
23:18
Leave it in Manny. I would leave it in the People
23:21
need to know this is a travesty. They should know who to blame.
23:26
Me yeah, the the delves were having tuning issues you you
23:32
started what Holi you said or Tri shadow.
23:36
I so I don't know if this is is this beta?
23:39
This has got to be beta only because they don't let you heal
23:42
delves. You have to be DPS or like you
23:45
can go in, but there's no like like Brand can only be DPS or
23:51
tank. I'm sorry, No, he could only be
23:53
DPS or Keeler. Yeah, so if you go in with him
23:58
as DPS and you as healer, you're screwed.
24:01
Like you're just going to get your absolute faithful.
24:04
And like, that's that's fine. Because to be honest, I don't
24:06
level as a healer by and large. I level as Shadow, but I don't
24:12
really know enough about Shadow to be interested in testing
24:14
Shadow. So I just quick, I very quickly
24:15
went over to Demon Hunter and then I realized I also don't
24:18
know enough about Demon Hunter to pick my talents and have any
24:20
interesting information. But it was fun.
24:22
We had a good time. But yeah, it doesn't seem like
24:27
it's really built for healers, but I feel like I remember them
24:30
saying it like BlizzCon and stuff, that it was going to be
24:32
built for you to do whatever you wanted.
24:34
So my guess is that's a beta thing that's going to be added
24:36
in. Don't quote me on that though.
24:39
Well, I thought I'll give you a quote from Linksys because what
24:43
they were saying was that it was difficult for particular classes
24:48
or specs. In fact, before I give the
24:51
quote, Sean and I were talking about earlier and Sean was
24:55
saying like, Oh yeah, it was so easy.
24:57
And I said, well actually it really hurt.
25:00
Like they were doing a ton of damage.
25:03
And it seems like if you weren't a tank like that, just the auto
25:08
attacks were very punishing. And of course Sean, you have
25:12
your perspective and you're gonna go in and you're gonna
25:15
tank and it's gonna be incredibly rare that you're
25:18
going to not be tanking cuz you'll either be with a group or
25:21
if you're by yourself, why not? So it definitely felt that based
25:28
on like role or spec, different people were having issues.
25:32
And the the quote is that many specs felt like they had to be
25:38
several item levels higher. That's what you're saying than
25:41
what was recommended to survive. Because if like if you don't
25:46
have defensives, if you are more of a paper class, it just not
25:51
even the cone abilities. Like there's a lot of nicely
25:53
telegraphed abilities that you're supposed to avoid, but
25:55
just the regular attacks will just tear you apart sometimes.
26:01
Can I play devil's advocate for a second?
26:03
Sorry, Lex, you go. Crazy.
26:05
I was gonna say I am really happy about that because like a
26:08
lot of it was beta, so I didn't have access to like, you know,
26:11
the talent trees built for me and everything like that.
26:13
But I've been talking such a big game about being really excited
26:16
for Delves and so to kind of go in and just find them really
26:19
frustrating was not great. I mean, it was fine.
26:23
I'm talking like everyone, you know, I but I was just like, oh
26:25
damn, it. Like this has been the thing
26:27
that I've been saying for so long.
26:28
I'm hype about and it's just not feeling good but.
26:33
Yeah, Devil's also my first. Day on beta.
26:36
And I didn't know what zone of what Ramma was on.
26:40
Delves are meant to be a new end game pillar designed around solo
26:47
play right? So should they not then present
26:51
and they drop heroic raid level gear?
26:54
Did they not? Then when you get.
26:55
High enough and if you do it under certain criteria, so like.
26:59
So should they not then present a difficulty that's on par with
27:03
with Heroic Raid? Two.
27:07
Yes. But because it sounds like, and
27:10
again this devil's advocate, it sounds like we're saying no, no,
27:15
no. We want them to be easier, but
27:18
we also still want that. OK, so I I I'll dispel that I.
27:23
I don't believe that. I I watched people try and do
27:25
them that weren't tanks. They got their faces beat in
27:28
they're way too hard. So I don't, I want to preface, I
27:31
don't believe that. But if that was something that
27:34
was a community concern, you know, should we expect them to
27:38
be hard type thing? Yeah, go ahead.
27:40
They should be challenging at the higher levels where you can
27:43
get access to the heroic gear, but they're not always going to
27:48
give you heroic gear. That's the bountiful chess that
27:52
we'll talk about in a bit. You go in, you have right when
27:57
you're leveling, you have the option to get from level one,
27:59
level 2, and I think Level 3 might be level 4 where you can
28:04
only access it at Max level. When you do that, you have
28:11
increasing rewards and difficulty from level 4 up to
28:14
level 8, and then 9:10 and 11:00 are just bragging rights.
28:19
They're the challenge challenge mode sort of stuff.
28:22
So if it caps out at heroic gear, let's say heroic gear
28:26
shows up at six, right? That's when it should be
28:30
commiserate to heroic. I feel like I am heroic early
28:36
mythic Raider and I would say that the damage right as a solo
28:40
player is too high on the like. And I specifically said the
28:45
white attacks. This is not the Telegraph stuff
28:47
that you're avoiding. But you're scaled the gear
28:50
you're scaled to when you're testing del.
28:52
This is the same issue they have with the Mystic mythic plus
28:54
testing the gear you're wearing when you're scaled in delves is
28:58
lower than LFR. It's 580.
29:00
Sure. So you're not if I'm?
29:02
Doing a four, I wouldn't be getting your commiserate to an
29:05
LFR and still the damage would be high.
29:08
And then if I'm doing the higher ones, then yeah, the, the gear,
29:12
the scaling could be an issue, but it's just, it's, it is.
29:16
And like, obviously they're, they've, they agree with this
29:19
because they're making these changes, right?
29:21
It has been that like even though you're supposed to be
29:24
able to solo this, it feels like you if you are a specific spec
29:29
that that isn't a tank, you are going to need some support with
29:34
you like a healer to keep you up as ADPS or DPS to like keep in
29:38
front of them so that the healer can can throw out the heels.
29:42
And I don't believe that that is the where it's supposed to
29:46
supposed to be aimed towards. Yeah, no, I get that.
29:50
And they remind me. So for my actual opinion, they
29:53
remind me a lot of a slightly less exciting version of
30:00
Horrific Visions from the end of BFA and Horrific Visions for
30:05
anybody who played that you needed.
30:08
Like there was multiple tuning passes before healers were even
30:11
really able to do those successfully on their own.
30:14
To the point that the final result was all damage and health
30:19
on the enemies was nerfed by 40% for any groups for any solo
30:23
healers and then any group that included a healer got AI think
30:27
it was 20% damage and health production on the mobs.
30:30
I think they reduced. The the health, but not the
30:33
damage. If it was a feeler coming in,
30:35
yeah. So that I, I suspect I really
30:38
like terrific visions. That's why I say less fun.
30:41
I was a really big fan, but again, as a tank, those were
30:44
more forgiving. So the delves just I don't know
30:48
if it's because there's no timer on it, You know, the the sanity
30:52
timer and horrific visions. I think really I enjoyed that
30:56
you're playing against that, that timer and delves don't
30:59
really have that you can just sort of walk your way through.
31:01
So for me, it's yeah. I, I wanted to say that with the
31:07
like increased complexity as you get to those higher levels where
31:12
they have the the quasi affix, but it only applies to some of
31:19
the packs that delves might be more interesting as you as you
31:24
go. But like at the level I was
31:26
testing, it just felt like it felt more like a grind through
31:31
PAX, especially since you're not going up against a timer.
31:34
So the only thing they can challenge you with is just this
31:37
hits really hard and this takes a lot to get through.
31:42
I'm, I'm hoping that more interesting things are going to
31:45
be coming up as they do the tuning because I was right there
31:48
with you, Lex and Sean definitely knows this.
31:50
I, I was really excited for Dells.
31:53
I was expecting like something to be really special about that.
31:56
And right now, this close to release, it's not doing it for
32:00
me. Yeah.
32:03
I think that the other thing I would say to Sean's question
32:05
that I know we don't actually any of us believe is that
32:09
there's a difference between something being hard because
32:12
it's interesting and complicated and I feel successful when I'm
32:15
done with it and something being hard just because it sucks.
32:18
Right. Like if, if it's just like big
32:21
hammer hit real hard that it's like, oh, great, cool.
32:26
And now I'm, I'm dad and I got to run my way back through and
32:29
hope I get to the thing And, but like versus like a, a puzzle
32:33
that I have to solve or like like a thing that I, I work my
32:36
way through. Like, you know, I, I, I think
32:38
that heroic rating too, is not we know it's heroic.
32:42
Is it heroic dungeon gear? Yes.
32:47
It's heroic grade gear. Oh, nevermind.
32:50
OK, great. I'm now I'm, I'm really caught
32:51
up. Yeah, like, like the, the
32:54
complexity of heroic isn't just that it's higher like hits and
32:58
and more damage that it that it takes to get a boss down, it's
33:01
that it is more complex and you have to be more precise and more
33:04
exact. So I'm excited that they are
33:07
tuning, I think correctly and they're making it so it's not
33:13
just a challenge of like, yay, great, I'm dead again, sick.
33:18
I guess I'll go back through so I can get my loot and hopefully
33:21
trying to make it so it's an actually interesting experience
33:24
with excitement and joy. Yeah, I definitely feel good
33:27
about it. It's, and I think this is a
33:30
great segue too, because they've shown already that they are
33:33
willing to adjust, adjust and adapt on the fly to what is best
33:39
for players and what players want and what is most fun.
33:42
We're seeing it with Delves in this post.
33:45
So they're saying, hey, we're going to do this thing.
33:47
And based on Mythic Plus, I have no reason to doubt that they're
33:50
not going to keep their finger right on the pulse of what
33:52
people want for Delves. Manny, was there any Mythic Plus
33:56
changes this week? Well, yes there was, and well,
34:00
you know what? Mythic Plus is really your your
34:02
love. So I feel like I should hand
34:04
this to you. We got some more Mythic Plus
34:07
changes that apparently Sean's OK with.
34:10
Honestly, this came. I don't know how you know that
34:13
many well. Because this came up last week
34:17
and after Sean had been like, oh, I'm going to get Kyvex some
34:20
Maple cookies, we're going to send that over to him.
34:23
This came up and I was like, huh, wonder if Sean still has
34:27
this love affair with Kyvax? And I had the message.
34:29
So Don, tell us about these. Your message, King, before I
34:35
played it. I'm gonna start with that.
34:39
So there was mythic blessed changes They had heard the
34:42
community people, some people had said, you know, hey, the
34:46
ascendant, that's the orbs. There's far too many of them on
34:49
the screen. I need less name plates please.
34:52
And Blizzard said OK, we hear you.
34:55
So instead of 20 orbs spawning with Zalatas ascendant, only 10
35:00
orbs spawn. I am middle of the ground on
35:05
this change. If so, less orbs means less AOE
35:09
stuns required to get all of the orbs.
35:12
That's a win. Or AOE disrupts.
35:16
But it also means less buff unless they adjust the buff to
35:20
match. So my hope.
35:22
I didn't see this one this week unfortunately, but my hope is
35:25
that they adjust the bonus percent to go up by 2% per orb
35:31
instead of the 1% per orb now that we have half as many orbs
35:35
and I'm I'm good with them also doubling it on the the enemies.
35:37
Give the enemies 20% per instead of 10% per whatever.
35:40
I'm not going to miss any of these orbs.
35:42
I don't care. That's a bug problem.
35:45
The less orbs that more impactful per or.
35:47
Both ways, Yeah, yeah, I'm OK with that.
35:48
And I get it. People don't want the clutter on
35:50
their screen and it does make the affix easier to deal with,
35:53
so I'm good with that change. The other change they made that
35:57
got rid of Frenzied, I think I talked about Frenzied on the
35:59
show where I said it sort of felt like a nothing burger.
36:02
I just ignored it and I noticed no difference when they put in
36:07
Zalitas bargain. So now Zalitas spawns, we have
36:10
to nuke down her shield either through a purge or through DPS
36:16
and once the shield is gone she stops buffing the enemies around
36:20
you and then your team gets a crit buff which is nice.
36:24
And in practice it's it's OK. The issue is she spawns at
36:31
really awkward times. You have to switch DPS to break
36:36
her shield, and as seen in some testing, if it spawns just as
36:44
you're killing a pack, it'll pull a pack, it'll target the
36:48
next closest pack and buff it, which then puts them in combat
36:52
with you whether you wanted to fight them or not.
36:56
Another one that I felt was really bad was like, she spawns
37:01
and she buffs the pack and then you just as she starts, you kill
37:05
you kill the pack. Well guess what, she keeps you
37:08
in combat so you have to turn around and kill her even though
37:11
she can't do anything anymore. And it's so it's like she's just
37:14
got a couple of really annoying interactions right now.
37:19
Yeah I think make a despawn when combat ends would be a good fix.
37:25
Don't let it pull packs that aren't in combat will be another
37:27
good fix and or just give us back frenzied.
37:31
I I liked frenzied but I understand people didn't want it
37:34
because they felt like it was doing nothing.
37:39
Which is why Shawn wanted. It yeah, but just why I liked it
37:41
Yeah yeah, this could the South has briar for the the void bound
37:48
and a lot of people they saw a void bound emissary and because
37:52
Internet people don't do anything except doom over their
37:55
past they saw void by an emissary remembered an old affix
37:59
from BFA and instantly decided they weren't going to like this
38:02
no matter what. But the reality is if you played
38:07
it, you you fix up yeah, people were just like Oh my God, I
38:10
don't know what about emissary? Why is this coming back?
38:12
Like, relax, guys, pump the brakes, all right?
38:14
They've done everything they can to make us believe they want
38:16
this to be good. Except for some of the dungeon
38:18
changes. Heaped it void bound.
38:21
Yeah, pulling back my. Trauma.
38:23
Yeah, how dare you. Yeah, Anyway, IA couple of
38:28
tweaks on that on that affix and I think it's OK.
38:33
Trivacs remains on the Christmas card lists.
38:36
Two boxes of Maple cookies will be coming their way this holiday
38:40
season. Dooming they revert some of
38:43
those changes in Myths of Janice Scythe, OK.
38:47
And for every change you don't revert, one cookie comes
38:50
out-of-the-box. No, I'm going to lick one.
38:52
See, that's the thing, you don't.
38:54
You don't remove a cookie for every change that doesn't get
38:57
fixed. You open the pack, take some
39:00
out, lick some, put them back in, reseal it.
39:05
You reseal it and then they never know do.
39:08
You think, wait, Manny, do you think the customs is like
39:10
testing? Actually wait is customs
39:12
testing? They're not checking cookies for
39:14
so long. No, they're not.
39:16
No. Yeah.
39:18
So that's. I.
39:20
Mean enjoy your slightly moist Maple cookies.
39:24
I was going to get you so you can send the cookies.
39:29
Not anymore. I'm not involved with that.
39:32
We'll just wait and see if the mythic question if the Mr.
39:35
changes happen. Yeah, but there were also a
39:40
bunch of the real. Reason that Blizzard.
39:42
Go ahead. Oh I was saying this is the real
39:44
reason that Blizzard listens to this podcast is just so they can
39:47
like mark down all the threads. Yeah, don't eat cookies from
39:50
Canada. No cookies from no cookies from
39:53
Sean. I also think that this wasn't
40:00
the worst of it. I honestly think that the per
40:02
dungeon changes that they've made this week, those were
40:07
brutal. They made changes to some of the
40:10
returning dungeons, and we're not talking about just the stuff
40:13
that you can no longer interrupt that's instant cast or
40:16
uninterruptible. They made some very specific
40:18
changes that are 1. Melee unfriendly in many cases
40:23
and two, just generally punishing.
40:28
And I didn't want to go through all of those just because when
40:32
we checked on the weekend, I was also halfway out the door.
40:35
But is there any particular one that you would say please revert
40:39
this while while you've got the mic, Sean?
40:42
The the most egregious is in midst of Chain of Scythe,
40:45
there's defender mobs in the maze, and they used to do a
40:48
tank, a frontal cone based on the tank that you could
40:50
sidestep. That was like a flurry of blows.
40:52
I actually think that's what this bell was called.
40:55
They removed that and instead they cast a giant blue circle on
41:00
the ground underneath them that while they're casting it'll
41:04
follow you, but once they're done casting you can move out of
41:07
it and then they it'll it'll remain on the ground.
41:12
As a tank it's an annoyance. As a melee DPS you just have to
41:14
get out. Like you just have to stop DPS
41:16
and get out That's not fun. Nobody wants to do that.
41:20
And it because the the maze is so tightly spaced it it really
41:23
does limit some of the rooms you're in.
41:25
That's the most egregious one. There were some changes in the
41:27
last boss as well that don't make any sense.
41:31
Adding a pull to the the lines that connect you in that phase
41:35
and also putting a poison circle under him when he does that.
41:38
It's, it's strange. Some of the mechanics are just
41:41
strange, but they like, and I don't know why they made them
41:45
because it wasn't like it was things people were exploiting,
41:47
but that people were getting away like with any kind of
41:49
advantage on. It just actively makes it
41:52
unpleasant to be melee in those in those situations.
41:56
My chair has sunk. Yeah, I was going to say
41:59
something, but I think that they generally just when they're
42:04
adding these affixes or these not these affixes, these
42:06
changes, they I kind of put too many stuff that was unfavorable
42:12
to melee. I think that boss, the end boss,
42:15
I kind of understand it a little bit.
42:18
The pull in sucks for range more than melee.
42:22
And sorry, continue. And the the poison circles that
42:27
come out, you have to move, move around and run through those.
42:31
And that also feels more punishing to range than melee.
42:34
So in that case it seems OK. But just in general, there's
42:38
been a lot of things that they added that to to the sea, to
42:45
Siege of Rallis that are just incredibly painful to melee.
42:49
And I hope they balance it up a little bit.
42:52
With that said, one of the big things that happened in the
42:56
dungeon that I've been testing is actually the damage that
43:00
we've been taking. And Blizzard has now made some
43:04
healing changes, or at least expressed some of the healing
43:08
changes that are going to be just dictating how we're going
43:12
to be dealing with stuff in the War Within.
43:15
Though. Lex, as our resident healer, can
43:17
I get you to talk about these healing changes?
43:20
Yeah, you bet you can. So basically they've been
43:23
working on healing for a while, and they've been talking about
43:25
this quite a bit. They are making some decisions
43:29
to make healing more interesting and more exciting.
43:31
Health pools are going to be increased overall.
43:34
The strength of percentage based healing spells is being reduced,
43:37
while hybrid healing and single target healing is being
43:40
increased. And they're working to shift
43:43
some of the challenging moments from just like a big burst of
43:46
damage to more of a sustained sort of damage over time that
43:50
people need to deal with. And I will say I'm actually
43:53
really excited about this. I think over the past, I don't
43:55
remember what I've said in previous podcasts, but I think
43:58
I've been kind of like, I didn't realize, I don't think healing
44:00
needs that many changes, but I guess if other people are
44:02
unhappy. And then I was actually sitting
44:04
and thinking about it and I was like, I've been so bored through
44:08
most of Dragonflight and just like feeling like there's like
44:11
two times you got to do things. And like I've literally taught
44:14
myself a whole DPS rotation because there's nothing to do
44:17
most of the time as a healer. And I thought it was because we
44:19
had a couple like really big bursty healers, really people
44:24
who were just absolutely killing it on the meters.
44:27
And so I was like, well, I guess they're getting to all the
44:28
healing first. But I actually do think that
44:33
healing has gotten kind of boring in Dragonflight and
44:36
there's not enough going on. So with that, I'm actually
44:40
really excited. I think that we do need some
44:41
tuning and we need some tweaking and we need healing to be more
44:46
interesting and more exciting and more of a team sport,
44:48
especially on things like rating.
44:49
We need healing be more of a team sport and Mythic Plus is
44:51
what I actually think. I think you guys need to start
44:52
having two healers. Per for.
44:54
Mythic Plus, but apparently that's an unpopular tag.
44:58
But no, I'm excited. I think this is this is going to
45:00
be good. I think that that we need to
45:02
shake things up a little bit. I, I think this is kind of like
45:06
what happened when we went from the end of Wrath of the Lich
45:10
King into Cataclysm, like wrath king.
45:14
That's like wrath King. Lich King was a lot of just
45:20
damage happened. Spam heel, get everybody back to
45:22
full. You would like throw off a chain
45:24
heel. You would, you would top
45:26
everybody off. It would, and there'd be nothing
45:29
left to, to for anybody else. And druids would sit there being
45:32
like, Oh my, my hots, except then they would cover everybody
45:35
with the hots so that the first heel that went off was the the
45:38
hots. And it was a bunch of just who
45:41
got there first to top everybody else off and over healing was
45:45
just massive. And then we went into Cataclysm
45:49
and it was thoughtful feeling where you had to like do triage
45:54
sort of thing, like, hey, he's at 70 health.
45:58
He can, he can make it. I need to make sure I'm dealing
46:01
with these guys who are at 40 and 30, respectively, and then
46:05
get them them up. And so you weren't like
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immediately getting everybody topped off.
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It would take you a couple of GCDS or like some strong
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cooldowns to to stabilize the rate, but you were constantly
46:19
being engaged with healing. There was always something to
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do. And it also made different types
46:26
of healing decent. Like if you had a healing
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something that was like a damage shield, that wouldn't just
46:33
negate a mechanic. There would be damage coming in
46:36
afterwards. If stagger would be, it wouldn't
46:41
be like, oh OK, well I guess I've got like forever to do
46:44
this. You would have more damage
46:45
coming in constantly working on that stagger.
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And I think that it just made healing, tanking and defensives
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just way more interesting to use, way, way better to use in
47:01
different profiles because not everything was bringing you from
47:03
100 to 2% in a single shot. And it just made things better,
47:10
especially like, you know, back in Cata, like I, I was running
47:12
around with my, with my warrior and the, and warriors back then.
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And Sean, you can tell me about this, if it's true now.
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Warriors back then was all about smoothing out the damage.
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Like you weren't healing yourself, but instead of taking
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like 100% of the damage, you would be like, OK, like I got my
47:29
shield block up, I've got my defensive up and I'll take 6060
47:34
damage. And then I'll take, and then
47:36
I'll take a little bit more damage.
47:37
But like, because the damage is smoothed out, you'd be a lot
47:41
easier to heal. Like they would give your
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healers time to react like I don't know what is.
47:47
Like we just don't take any damage now.
47:49
Ignore pain. She'll be you have 100% of time
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on shield block. You got a ton of ignore pain.
47:53
We just don't take damage now. I think Blizzard needs to make
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healing great again. I think that's definitely the
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way to go. I, I, yeah, I think they got to
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make it engaging. I do think that like it
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shouldn't be. OK, damage event happened.
48:09
Here's two GCDS. Now I got to go back to damage
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because there's nothing else to do.
48:15
Yeah, this is actually really interesting because I think I
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attributed a lot of my frustration with healing in the
48:21
last couple raid tears to burn out, especially the Farrakh,
48:27
which apparently I can't think of the name of the last raid
48:29
that we did. But I was like, damn, I guess
48:31
I'm getting kind of. Yeah.
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Amir Dasal, thank you. I guess I'm getting kind of
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burnt out because I'm just like not having as much fun.
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But I think it really was that it was on like it was tuned
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badly. Because I I'm also remembering
48:43
now that like every single time, the like the number of times I'd
48:49
be like, Oh my God, I'm finally having fun.
48:50
This is so great. But also we're wiping all the
48:53
time. And then we'd be like, I guess
48:54
we got to pull up another healer because the issue is that
48:56
everyone is dying. And it was like, but this is the
48:58
first time that I've had a good time, but the burst was just too
49:01
big to handle. So this is OK.
49:04
Yeah, I'm actually feeling really good about this.
49:06
And I'm also feeling better about World of Warcraft in
49:08
general. So it's a win all around.
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Yeah. And like, that's why they're
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dealing with the percentage heal stuff, because if you have
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something that is that is supposed to heal you for 55% of
49:18
your life, that's a lot more powerful now that our healing
49:23
health pools are much larger compared to like what the
49:27
average heal does. So they're, they're evening it
49:29
out a bit there. I think that this is going to be
49:32
good. So I'm I'm happy that you're
49:33
happy. Lex, Let's see if this is going
49:36
to be good. And Rashawn, this means
49:38
something for your defensives. Are you going to be happy now
49:43
that you can't ignore pain shield wall all of the damage?
49:48
Or do you prefer? Did you prefer?
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No, I'll get stronger because ignore pain is percentage based
49:56
on health and my health is going up.
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OK and she'll block just blocks percentage.
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Yeah, I'm I'm just going to get stronger.
50:08
Oh yeah, I'm OK with it. Yeah, there.
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You go. Yeah, they're they're they're
50:17
they're reducing percentage based healing spell strength,
50:20
but ignore pain is not a healing spell to absorb.
50:22
So yeah, it won't count. Like, let's hope that go ahead.
50:28
I was going to say, let's hope that they don't realize that.
50:31
I'm certain they do not that they don't care.
50:33
Well. It it goes with like some of the
50:36
stuff that shaman's got like our our totem, right?
50:42
That's only giving us like a, a shield that's roughly 15% of our
50:47
Max HP, which in Dragonflight numbers is not anything.
50:52
But in the war within, as I've been testing it in dungeons has
50:55
been quite effective. And so like that 15%, I think
51:00
translates to maybe 40% in dragon fight numbers.
51:04
And so I'm, I'm hoping that when people see these changes,
51:06
they're not thinking, oh, they're nerfing us in a way.
51:09
They are nerfing healing, but that means that like it's just
51:14
more engaging gameplay. Now with that said, is there
51:20
anything else that you guys would want to talk about before
51:25
before we end this? No, I got, I really got nothing.
51:29
It's been a go ahead, Lex. Oh, I was going to say, I'm just
51:33
really excited with how much the Blizzard team has been following
51:38
like what people are saying and making really good decisions.
51:42
And I think I keep trying to doomer it.
51:44
Like every time something goes a little bit off, I'm like, this
51:47
is what happens when you listen to the people too much and you
51:51
don't make decisions. And then they're like, actually,
51:53
we figured out how to listen to you guys and also make everyone
51:55
happy. So who knows?
51:58
Who knows where things will go. We can't be too optimistic ever,
52:02
because then if we have too much joy, what do we do with our
52:05
lives? But I'm feeling really good
52:06
about war within. I really am like I every concern
52:09
I've had so far has been managed.
52:10
And that makes me think that even when I do have a concern,
52:12
I'm like, OK, well, this is going to be managed though.
52:14
And. Then, Sean, you don't have much
52:17
to say. Nothing, I just am ready for
52:19
season four. Season four has been done for me
52:22
for a long time, since about an hour and a half after launch,
52:26
and I am just ready for the three patch to begin in earnest.
52:31
I'm not going to get much out of the event, some of my alts might
52:33
pick up some gear, but I like those moments when the community
52:37
is zooming around doing a thing together and that's fun for me.
52:41
And it's a nice Before the Storm heading into The War Within when
52:46
I will play the game at degenerative levels.
52:51
As for me, I am like bolstered by the fact that they are
52:55
addressing all of these things still.
52:58
I didn't. Get rid of that, sorry.
53:01
This is. Just me like jumping in with the
53:03
random bullshit. I'm so sorry.
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I don't think I have a single intelligent thought all episode
53:09
continuing. What was I?
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That should be the bumper. Until next time guys, may all
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your hits be grits. Goodnight.