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Killer Thriller: She Knew Murdaugh was Dangerous - J. Smith-Cameron · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ.
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  Speaker 2: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host Alisa Donovan.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, everyone, a Lisa Donovan here and this is Killer Thriller. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: Today we are diving back into one of the most
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  Speaker 3: unbelievable true crime sagas in recent memory, the Murdoch murders.
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  Speaker 3: This involves a powerful Southern legal dynasty, a deadly boat crash,
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  Speaker 3: financial crimes, and then Maggie and Paul Murdoch are shot
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  Speaker 3: and killed at the family's hunting estate. I mean, this
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  Speaker 3: case exploded nationally because it wasn't just about murder. It
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  Speaker 3: was about privilege, legacy, and the collapse of a family
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  Speaker 3: that seemed untouchable. And after a six week trial, in
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  Speaker 3: less than three hours deliberation by the jury, Alec Murdoch
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  Speaker 3: was convicted of murdering his wife and son and was
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  Speaker 3: sentenced to two consecutives life terms without parole.
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  Speaker 1: Then he also.
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  Speaker 3: Received additional decades in prison for financial and fraud convictions
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  Speaker 3: tied to client theft and embezzlement. However, in February of
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  Speaker 3: this year, just weeks ago, the South Carolina Supreme Court
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  Speaker 3: heard oral arguments on Alec Murdoch's appeal of the murder conviction,
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  Speaker 3: but they have not made ruling on that appeal as
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  Speaker 3: of yet. Now, if you want to hear more about
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  Speaker 3: this case, you can go back and listen to my
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  Speaker 3: first episode where I interview Mandy Mattney and Liz Ferrell,
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  Speaker 3: who are the journalists who cracked this case wide open.
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  Speaker 3: So today my guest is j Smith Cameron, who plays
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  Speaker 3: Marion Proctor, Maggie's older sister, in the Hulu series Murdoch
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  Speaker 3: Death in the Family. Jay, thank you so much for
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  Speaker 3: being here today. My pleasure, and I'm going to say,
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  Speaker 3: first off, I'm a huge fan of yours and I
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  Speaker 3: have been for a very long time, so I get
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  Speaker 3: really excited.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when I.
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  Speaker 3: Started doing this podcast, I wasn't thinking that I might
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  Speaker 3: get to actually, you know, talk with people that I admire.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm really thrilled that you're here today.
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  Speaker 2: Is a very nice thing to say. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: And this series, I think is so wonderful that the
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  Speaker 3: performances are so nuanced, the script is so detailed. It's
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  Speaker 3: truly compelling and disturbing. So you play a role that
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  Speaker 3: is very close to the emotional center of the whole case.
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  Speaker 3: Maggie's sister Marion. So were you familiar with the case
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  Speaker 3: before you read the script?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, because I'm actually from South Carolina. I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: whole world followed it, I think, but I particularly was
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  Speaker 2: a glow. I'm not from the Low Country, which is
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  Speaker 2: where they reigned supreme, where Murdos were like above the law.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know them specifically, but I certainly know that culture.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the coastal culture is a little different. But
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  Speaker 2: I grew up in Greenville, South Carolina, but I had
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  Speaker 2: been to Charleston a million times, which is where Marion
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  Speaker 2: lives or lived then anyway, And so I was aware
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  Speaker 2: of it. I was fascinated by it. And then also
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  Speaker 2: just you know, as it kept unfolding, it's like one
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  Speaker 2: of those really really unusual things where it's like the
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  Speaker 2: more they're they're really only looking into this part of
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  Speaker 2: the mystery, and then they find it's connected to this
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  Speaker 2: thing and this death and this fraud and so forth.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought it was fascinating. So I was aware
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  Speaker 2: of it. And then I also when I got cast,
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  Speaker 2: I had worked with Michael who who was the one
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  Speaker 2: of the writers. Yes, and I'd worked with them on
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  Speaker 2: a show called Rectify, which also took place. It took
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  Speaker 2: place in Georgia, but it was also a very realistic
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  Speaker 2: sort of soulful peace and we were kind of in touch.
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  Speaker 2: And it was just like when he announced on Instagram
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  Speaker 2: or something that he had got the you like to
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  Speaker 2: do this? I was like, oh, is it a part
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  Speaker 2: for me?
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  Speaker 1: Dotting?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, where do I feel? Wait a minute, actually, yes
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  Speaker 2: there is. You're perfect for it. And so that's how
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  Speaker 2: that came to be. But yes, I really did follow
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  Speaker 2: the case. And then after after I got the offer,
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  Speaker 2: I really watched all those documentaries and the podcast that
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  Speaker 2: it's based on. An interesting facet of it for you
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  Speaker 2: for sure.
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  Speaker 3: And so we spoke with Manny Mattey and Liz Ferrell.
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  Speaker 3: They're the first episode we did of of this podcast,
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  Speaker 3: and she those two are just like what powerhouses and
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  Speaker 3: the work that they're doing is extraordinary and so important
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  Speaker 3: and one of those things.
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, when you.
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  Speaker 3: Know something is meant to be, it's like the secret
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  Speaker 3: sauce of oh, this is all supposed to happen, Like
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  Speaker 3: those women just you know, when where their spirits took them,
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  Speaker 3: did the work and supposed like it's it's really incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty amazing.
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  Speaker 3: She So obviously, when you're playing a real person, it
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  Speaker 3: is I would imagine different than I've never played a
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  Speaker 3: real person who existed in history.
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  Speaker 1: So did you.
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  Speaker 3: Feel like what sort of responsibility did you feel? Did
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  Speaker 3: you feel protective of Marian?
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about that.
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  Speaker 2: I know that the family is very you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they've been turned inside out by not just what happened,
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  Speaker 2: but all the exposure. And I think that I think
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  Speaker 2: it is true that Marian really bonded with Buster and
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  Speaker 2: we helped him out post all of that. But I
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  Speaker 2: know that they were really like, please leave us alone,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and I can really first of all, my
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  Speaker 2: heart went out to them about that. So as much
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  Speaker 2: as I would have liked to have talked to her
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  Speaker 2: or even just contacted her and said that I empathized
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  Speaker 2: with her, I just felt the right thing to do
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  Speaker 2: was nothing at all like leave her alone. But there
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  Speaker 2: was all the footage from the trial, which is watch
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  Speaker 2: on YouTube. And also just I've known a lot of
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  Speaker 2: women that you know who can say they're exactly like them,
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  Speaker 2: but I mean, no one's exactly like anyone. But I
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  Speaker 2: know that kind of woman. I know that sort of
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  Speaker 2: I know dozens of them. Like, I felt like a
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  Speaker 2: camaraderie with just the relationship that Maggie and Marion had
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  Speaker 2: and just there it's just a very particularly Southern, jovial,
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  Speaker 2: kind of close knit family vibe. And I'm very close
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  Speaker 2: with my big sister, So I did I felt this
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  Speaker 2: real protect I did feel really protective of her. And
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  Speaker 2: also I so the makeup person on our show, and
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  Speaker 2: really all the departments knocked themselves out being as literally
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  Speaker 2: exact to the real thing as they could. The costume designer,
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  Speaker 2: you can't believe what he did, Like he would literally
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  Speaker 2: track down do you know about this? Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was going to say, I've watched everything that
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  Speaker 3: the series, but then also the documentaries, and I would
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  Speaker 3: get them confused because all like the striped shirt that
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  Speaker 3: Alec is wearing in when he's being interrogated in the
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  Speaker 3: police like all of I'm like, oh my god, I'm
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  Speaker 3: literally getting them confused.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And I mean even you know, Buster's girlfriend, they
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  Speaker 2: found exact dress somewhere online that she's born in the
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  Speaker 2: in the at the trial, just sitting in the audience.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So but what they did was, you know, like Marian
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  Speaker 2: appears to have little or no makeup on. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the pictures of her that exist are
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  Speaker 2: pictures from some wedding or some big occasion. Those are
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  Speaker 2: not the scenes that are happening generally speaking in the show.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yes, there's one big party scene, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: she's you know, her face is shaped different than mine,
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  Speaker 2: her hair is a different texture, so they wanted to
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  Speaker 2: literally do exactly the hair style as much as they could.
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  Speaker 2: But I have like skinny, fine hair, so if they
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  Speaker 2: pull it back in a ponytail, I felt it looked
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  Speaker 2: less like the real Marion's hair. But at that point
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  Speaker 2: was just like, I mean, I didn't want to That's
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  Speaker 2: not where I wanted to put my energy. I often
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  Speaker 2: have that. I often just you know, acquiesce in the
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  Speaker 2: makeup chair, especially if it's like an emotional part, that
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  Speaker 2: that's the more important part. That's my job, that's my
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  Speaker 2: my part of it. So but I felt like, in
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  Speaker 2: their diligence to have me exactly that, I just pointed
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  Speaker 2: out how different I look from her in real life.
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  Speaker 2: But on the other hand, it did help me kind
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  Speaker 2: of channel her temperament and her she you know, is
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  Speaker 2: a quiet, luxury type dresser and which you know, who
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  Speaker 2: doesn't admire that. I'm fascinated by her, and I just
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  Speaker 2: felt so bad for her situation where she had, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because she if you followed all the episodes, you see
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  Speaker 2: that that my character with Marion is really suspicious of
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  Speaker 2: a lot just from just from without there being any
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  Speaker 2: deaths involved. She's just like he's always running off and
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  Speaker 2: doing shady, unexplained things. He's having indiscretions. I think, I
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  Speaker 2: don't even know about the drug problem. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm protective of her, and I'm going to be one
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  Speaker 2: of the one voices that speak to her about this
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  Speaker 2: isn't has it should be, you know, And then of
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  Speaker 2: the irony of being like, well this once, why don't
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  Speaker 2: you go because you really are close to his father
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  Speaker 2: and you want this to this parting to be peaceable,
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  Speaker 2: and well this is what I inferred that she was thinking,
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  Speaker 2: and then to have her feel like she sent her
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  Speaker 2: to her to and it was such an awful death
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  Speaker 2: is just a horrible thing, and I just I feel
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  Speaker 2: so badly for her. I don't know her, but I
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  Speaker 2: feel like of all the cast characters, she was the
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  Speaker 2: most prudent and careful and sensitive, and I mean that's
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  Speaker 2: my bias.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure, yes, No, I think that that seems clear.
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  Speaker 3: I would agree with you on that and that difficult position.
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  Speaker 3: We were speaking about this off air before about once
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  Speaker 3: you know, relationships are complicated and as a friend or
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  Speaker 3: a family member, if you have a female friend who
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  Speaker 3: you know is perhaps in a relationship that is not
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  Speaker 3: great for them, whether it's violent or emotionally violent, you know,
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  Speaker 3: whatever the circumstances are, once you cross that line of
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  Speaker 3: saying this needs to end or this person is bad, like,
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  Speaker 3: you can't take it back, so that that conversation is
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  Speaker 3: so careful, you know, and that's just it's it's devastating.
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  Speaker 3: She must I would imagine that it's.
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  Speaker 1: Not easy for her.
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  Speaker 3: And this is also you know, I think this series
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  Speaker 3: is a really nice job of developing that relationship between
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  Speaker 3: Marion and.
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  Speaker 1: Buster, particularly in the later episodes.
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  Speaker 3: Can you talk a little bit about that did you
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  Speaker 3: know about You mentioned that you did know a little
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  Speaker 3: bit about that in real life that they had it,
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  Speaker 3: But was that on the page or did you to
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  Speaker 3: create it. Will Harrison as the actor who plays Buster.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's a really remarkable actor. He was very open
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  Speaker 2: both both the boys who played the sons were very
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  Speaker 2: open and responsive. I mean, I didn't have that much
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  Speaker 2: to do with the younger brother, but yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 2: I thought he was wonderful who was wide open. And
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  Speaker 2: of course those are those are those are not based
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  Speaker 2: on fact. Those are somebody's imagination of what kind of
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  Speaker 2: thing might have happened between them. And I just think
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  Speaker 2: that the circumstances drove Marian too. This is again conjecture,
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  Speaker 2: but it seems born out that she began to just
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  Speaker 2: pick up the slack like one parent to suspect only
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  Speaker 2: brother and only mother are gone, and it's sort of
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  Speaker 2: touching that I don't think they were particularly close before that.
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  Speaker 2: And then she makes a point of reaching out to
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  Speaker 2: him and helping him. And I believe I read or
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  Speaker 2: heard from one of my South Carolinian friends that she
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  Speaker 2: helped him get a home outside of that part of
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  Speaker 2: South Carolina, and she bought him a house in Greenville,
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  Speaker 2: which is where I grew up. I don't think he's
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  Speaker 2: there now, but I think he lived there for a
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  Speaker 2: while his family. So I just think she really, really
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  Speaker 2: really tried to show up for him in a way
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  Speaker 2: that's very heroic and touching.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like the truth really the innocent one in
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  Speaker 1: the whole.
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  Speaker 3: Scenario did so because it going back to Marian and Maggie,
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  Speaker 3: it does it seems as though in reality and in
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  Speaker 3: this series that the way Marian and Maggie grew up
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  Speaker 3: was a bit more refined, a different kind of family
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  Speaker 3: like culture. And you really see that juxtaposition and that
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  Speaker 3: kind of where.
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  Speaker 1: We don't, you know, like talk about that. Do you think?
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  Speaker 1: Am I right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? I think you're right. I think that's exactly right.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I mean, I think that Maggie married into
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  Speaker 2: this good old boy kind of culture. But Marian, on
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  Speaker 2: the other hand, as I understand it, married into a
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  Speaker 2: really refined, well to do Charleston family. And so that
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  Speaker 2: division of the girls family and the Murdoch family was
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  Speaker 2: even more pronounced in marry and I think after they
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  Speaker 2: had married, and you know, and you can kind of
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  Speaker 2: see that in the costume costume choices and uh, that
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  Speaker 2: customer designer went above and beyond. He was so brilliant.
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  Speaker 2: He had this thing. He found out that their parents
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  Speaker 2: had gotten them engraved lockets when they I want to say,
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  Speaker 2: graduated high school, I graduated college, and they had their
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  Speaker 2: initials on it, and he found the same kind of
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  Speaker 2: luck and had them engraved and we saw them. He
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  Speaker 2: never saw they were touched in my collar like mine
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  Speaker 2: was tucked in my collar. But he was like, He's like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll ever get to see them.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I love this so much, don't you love him?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, well, And this is the thing.
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  Speaker 3: I think that people who aren't involved in entertainment really
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  Speaker 3: like you, people from the outside, might not understand why
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  Speaker 3: something is good right in general, like why did I
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  Speaker 3: respond to this movie or this show? And it's all
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  Speaker 3: of these pieces that inform everything. It's like a you know,
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  Speaker 3: when it's the perfect storm of everybody has so much
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  Speaker 3: care for their job and very similitude.
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  Speaker 2: You know that the principle of it being as authentic
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  Speaker 2: as possible, that sort of specificity, even if you're unaware
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  Speaker 2: of it, it rings true. It has an undeniable ara
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  Speaker 2: of truth, and I think that hooks people, That makes
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  Speaker 2: them kind of lean in and pay attention more. This
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  Speaker 2: is always great theory anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Mandy Mattey lis Ferrell talked about this about the emotional
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  Speaker 3: truth of always keeping that you know where whenever you're
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  Speaker 3: making a project, a narrative story about something real.
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  Speaker 1: There's always that question of how much agency do you have?
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  Speaker 1: What has to be truthful?
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  Speaker 3: And you know that that baseline, being the emotional truth
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  Speaker 3: is what's important.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel that so much from this.
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  Speaker 2: Sir Tricia, Well, I mean, oh great, then forget about it.
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  Speaker 2: But I worked mostly with Right, but Patricia, I just
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  Speaker 2: adored her. I felt such a connection with her. And
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  Speaker 2: she's such you know, she's so free, she's I thought
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  Speaker 2: this about Kiaren Culkin, although their energies are completely of course,
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  Speaker 2: but Patricia is a director once corrected me that it's
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  Speaker 2: not so great to be relaxed as an actor. You
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  Speaker 2: always want to say, oh, she's so relaxed on set.
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  Speaker 2: She's not relaxed. She's released, right, She's like free and
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  Speaker 2: released and in the moment, and I so it was
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  Speaker 2: so powerful, like you would feel like you'd slip into
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  Speaker 2: that flow state with her, and it was just wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: She's just such a very down to earth person.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I love that.
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  Speaker 3: You could absolutely feel the connection between the two of you.
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  Speaker 3: And also I started to feel as though they look alike.
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  Speaker 1: They really could be sisters.
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  Speaker 2: Is this real? So funny because we both are actually
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  Speaker 2: blue eyed, and you know that they were. Do you
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  Speaker 2: know about those No, not all, none of them had
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  Speaker 2: brown eyes. But the Murdoch family, both sides of the family
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  Speaker 2: brown eyed, and they wore which were extremely uncomfortable for
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  Speaker 2: them because none of them I don't think war contacts
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  Speaker 2: in real life. Oh god, yeah, but they have brown eyes,
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  Speaker 2: which is that kind of a little bit unusual combination
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  Speaker 2: of a brown eyed blonde. Right, So they're like, we
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  Speaker 2: don't have in the budget. Yes, but do you know
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  Speaker 2: somehow I don't know whether it's my imagination, but I
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  Speaker 2: think on the stand in my eyes do love little
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  Speaker 2: brown like when you see me in close ups, like
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  Speaker 2: they don't look oh as they were, they're not really
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  Speaker 2: blueish or blue green in my eyes, and sometimes they
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  Speaker 2: look very conspicuously greenish bluish. Yeah whatever, And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I kept like winding a bag going do they they
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  Speaker 2: just willed them to look?
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  Speaker 1: They will them you know?
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  Speaker 2: Uh the other anyway, So they were they were hounds
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  Speaker 2: for authenticity, which is I just respect it so much,
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  Speaker 2: and yet those scenes that they had to invent are
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  Speaker 2: filled with you know, he has they just have a
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  Speaker 2: good ear. The writers have a really good ear for
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  Speaker 2: Southerners and for family, and you know they really both
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  Speaker 2: of them were, and the directors were great too on that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is one of those really great experiences
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  Speaker 2: where you.
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  Speaker 3: See everything right, where everything is functioning at a high,
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  Speaker 3: high level. So when I spoke with Mandy and Liz,
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  Speaker 3: they revealed that Marian no sorry Alec, went and lived
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  Speaker 3: with Marian after the murders.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know this?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that, or if I did, I've not
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  Speaker 2: forgotten it because you know.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the most insane thing I've ever heard.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like he he kills these people and then
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  Speaker 3: he goes and lives with her. It's almost like it's
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  Speaker 3: so controlling and so twisted.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's truly psychotic. I mean, he's got a split.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't you know whatever that is. He's really truly.
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  Speaker 3: Allegedly I'm being told to say allegedly. Everything I just
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  Speaker 3: said was alleged.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they may have told me that or
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I may have read that, but I have blocked that out.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Now because and then she testifies against him, like that's
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: it's a beautifully you do a beautiful job in this
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: series of.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: This and.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Just showing all of the sort of colors of that
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: entire thing. You know that she can feel like this
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: is her sister, but then wanting to protect the family
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: and knowing that that balance of like talk about that
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: a little bit.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: That's really hard to do.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I feel like she's she knows she's
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: on the stand, and I think she unlike that. Look,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I think she has respect for right and wrong and
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: respect for the law, and I think she's you know,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: she has to tell buster, Look, I have to I
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: have to tell the truth. I'm on the stand, and
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: this is about finding her their murderer. And she's very circumspect,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Like she says exactly the truth. She doesn't color it
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: with like, you know, she just has sort of a
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: matter of fact that I'm thinking none of my performance,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: but of her the on YouTube of like you know,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: he said, you know, someone must have planned this for
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: a really long time. But she doesn't say it with
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: like arching a brow or looking at him or you know,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: insinuating anything. It's like just like very matter of fact
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: and very circumspect. And she just says as little as possible.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: But you know that some part of her brain has
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: sorted out exactly how to make her point without being
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: flagrantly accusatory. You know, in fact, I think it's weird
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: because I do say that I think she was happy.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I know that I know that she wasn't always happy.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Do you remember this, I yes, you know in the testimony.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: So I mean there were times in spite of herself
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: that she was like because I think and also the
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: way the show was fashioned was to underline I'm very
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: aware of Buster's feelings, you know, And so I mean
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: in the past tense because she was happy at some point.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: But you know, it's I'm really being careful ye about
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: not overeaving seems to.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Me, I mean, that kind of pressure for her, I
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: just I can't even imagine. And you know, there were
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: so many things that Alex says were he he orchestrated
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: his own demises, essentially saying things like that or you know,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: what a tangled web we weave. It's like he couldn't
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: help himself of sort of revealing.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Who he truly is.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I just I think we know some other people like
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: that in the public eye these days, just really feel
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: who are just unaware of consequences when it comes to
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: them because they feel like they're above the law and
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: they or maybe they're not even that's too conscious of thought.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, when our president his first term,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: said I could go out on Fifth Avenue and shoot
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: somebody and no one would care, you know. I mean,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I think that was like an innocent comedy made like
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: that's just a fact, you know. Yeah. I mean, not
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: that he was going to kill anyone or that he
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: you know, but that was such a telling thing and
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: that he just said it is it was almost something
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: he was proud of, and like, uh, you know, I
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: just do think some people, really I don't think they
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: can't They can't envision consequences for them, right, you know,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: And in that little part of the world's real estate,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: they were king, you know, right.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's the the accountability, you know, certainly, the
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: lack of accountability that I think is such a part
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: of so many of these things. And and well and
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: the fact that he never you know, Marian says, he
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: never seemed concerned about finding the killer. He was more
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: concerned about his son, you know, the case being dropped
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: against him, which is like I think the series does
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: a brilliant job of this too, where you're all of
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: a sudden like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Wait a second,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: why does no one worried about who killed these people?
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Why is this not the biggest question?
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: You know? Exactly? Well, it is for Marion, and that's
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: why I think it was an important part, a small
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: but key role, both in the story and in the series,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: you know, because she's like, but don't you want to
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: know who did do it? You know, like it was
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: very upsetting.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Right when do you think, again, you're just instinct or opinion?
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: When do you think that she fully believed that Alec
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: was guilty?
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know if she. Well, when she fully finally did?
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I think it's that. Do you remember the scene in
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the police station where they finally play the cell phone footage, Yes,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: and they'll all realized he was there. And I think
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: that's when this nickel drops for her. But I think
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: she's always picking up a signal that you know, there's
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: something very dangerous afoot, and even before it happened, I think,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: you know, she just sends to say, your heads had
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: a sort of radar about that is It's.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Such a reminder and a lesson to everyone that when
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: we have those those instincts, that feeling, this spidey sense,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: that's like this, something's not right, like this is not okay,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: that it's so important to listen to those things, as
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: uncomfortable as it might be. Or as you know, no
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: one wants to have those conversations. Nobody wants to say,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I think your husband's violence or you know, whatever it
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: may be.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: But you don't even want to believe it yourself, right,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: It's like right, you want to look at it through
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: your beloved sister's eyes, you know, and at the same
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: time you can't quite ignore your spidey sense, as you
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: put it brilliantly, right, yeah.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Right, So this this family had power for generations. So
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: do you think that that kind of legacy creates blind spots?
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, And I think they're in a small distinct part
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: of the world where they were born into having just
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: absolute authority in a way. You know, there's that feeling
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: all along from the boat accident on of like just
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: let me talk, let me do the talking, and just
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: he seemed at ease, really right.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Right, like knowing there's no consequence.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even I felt like it didn'tven occur
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: to them, like, well, I'll take care of this as
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I always have done and has everyone before me. Has done.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: And I believe that Michael told me that that if
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: you look back, I think it as Michael told me this,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: that going back in the far history of the Murdocks,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: there's all kinds of unexplained weird shit that from his forebears,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: which is also just unplumbed depths of suspicious stuff. You know.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: So you said the survivors of this family have one
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: of the roughest stories. What hit you the hardest about
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: what they've lived through?
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I feel so badly for Buster. I mean that's
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: but you know, and there's stuff that the series doesn't
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: even get into about maybe his past too, Like we
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: don't really know everything about some other shady things that happened,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken. But I can say about my
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: character at least I felt she was one hund percent
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: and innocent, drawn into a web of deceit and machinations
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: and I and it's almost like a Greek tragedy, like
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the fact that she encouraged her to go back, Like
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I feel so glad that I wish I could give
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: her a hug, which is a storing to say, but
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I just that would be insufficient, and why would she
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: want a hug, But I just I mean, when it impossible,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: that's really like out of a Greek play, isn't it.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: It really is. I mean it truly is.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: And the way it just keeps unfolding, it's it's unbelievable.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: If it weren't real. I mean, it's like truly unbelievable.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Truth is structure than fiction.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: It truly is.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: So what was the hardest emotional scene for you to
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: shoot in the series.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I think maybe just the uh, the party scene where
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: he's making a toast and I later kind of get
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: him aside and like, well, who do you think did it?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: And you know, and he just what you were referencing earlier.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: That was difficult. I mean it was difficult a good way,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Like it was a because I think I'm a little
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: afraid of him m hm, on top of everything else
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: we talked about. Sure, I think I'm like, well, I
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: want to shoot me.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I mean that's just me talking, but yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean. And that might be why
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: if he stayed with someone during the trial, he picked
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: her because maybe he felt like.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Right, she was susceptible, she was afraid.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: She was captured there because of by marriage being connected
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: to it sort of. But the insinuation within insinuations within
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: insituations in a huge group scene and you just you
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: only have like a couple of lines. That's when that's
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: when the hardest parts of the series were was to
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: get across that in just a little tiny crafted moments, right,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: trying to get you know, I think she really wants
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: to know. She's not trying to.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Entrap him, right, she really wants to know.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: She's also picking up on another part of her brain.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: She's like, why is he acting like this? You know?
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot to do in a few little lines,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: and Jason be moving around getting himself more and drink
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: more to eat, So I'd be like trying to stay
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: in my shot saying, you know, by.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Mark, let's talk about Jason Clark's work for like a
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: second or for ten years. Yes, He's like, I, I, yeah.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: It's really on another level.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: And I, as I said from the start, everyone is
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: wonderful in this series. He is like, was it as
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: chilling up close as it is to as a viewer?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah. I mean, first of all, except for being
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: a big guy, you know, like I didn't think he
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: particularly looked like him, but he does. When he's acting
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: it like he. People kept telling me he looks so
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: much like him. I was like, he does.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like no, he's like a handsome guy.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, he's channeling him so that yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: quite quite scary.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: It's very very powerful.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Marian has stayed almost completely out of the spotlights since
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: the trial. And do you think, like, what do you imagine?
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, we've talked a little bit about this, but
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I like, how does she function? I mean, does she
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: she doesn't have.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Does she is she married? Does she have her own family?
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Well, as far as I know, I mean she did
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: at the time. She would refer to her daughters. She
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: had daughters while her her sister had sons, and the
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: sons were always rambunctious, and Maggie was always kind of
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: in overhead even just with them. So and whereas I
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: had daughters. And there's a couple of times in the
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: show that my character is saying, like, well, they're they're
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: they're they give me, they give me their own problem,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: like you know, they're rambunctious in their way too, And
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: she says, remember we were we were kind of we
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: were not we did stuff. So as far as I know, again,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I just sort of had this feeling like once the
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: show was wrapped, I was like, I am not going
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: to I'm just gonna like, you know, not that she
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: would ever know or care what I was thinking or doing,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: but I am not going to pry into her life anymore.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Like I just felt this incredible. She's so she seems
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: so private, even just the way like I think I'm
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: probably you know, she gets emotional in stand but being me,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I think I get more emotional, Like I think she
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: just had such a lid, not out of falseness, but
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: out of you know, poise and these ladylike and she
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: wanted to acquit herself well, and she wanted you know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I have real admiration for her and real, as I've
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: said a million times, I just felt for her so much.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: As far as I know she still is. I told
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: you the one thing I heard about her helping buster
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: her out and that for a life in Greenville. And
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I think my friend said he's since moved, but I
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: have really tried just spiritually. I'm like, I, for one,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: am not going to pry into I mean, if I
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: find out more crimes about that family, I would be
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: as fascinated as anybody. But in terms of the innocence involved,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the innocent ones. I don't want to, you know, have
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: that in my I don't want to be guilty of
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: that somehow, right if you understand, like it was incredibly
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: helpful that there was so much material on really all
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: the characters to different degrees, available online. But you know,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I just think their life, her life probably goes on
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: being difficult. It's such a the notoriety of it and
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: the huge you know, the layers of it, right.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: And the violence of it was just silence so huge,
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: you know, to that end, the you know, true crime
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: audiences can be very intense, and you know they know everything,
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: all the timelines and the transcripts.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: And did did you feel any pressure with regard to that?
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: And has anybody reached out to you telling you their
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: opinions about your performance or your interpretation.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: No one has. If someone said something on social media,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I didn't catch it, but none of my friends. I
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: have a couple of friends who are interested in true crime,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: like fascinated by it, and I find it fascinating and
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I love a I love fiction or true crime on television.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I think a well made series about that love it.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: You know. I'm just me too. That kind of thing
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: is just so fascinating, right, So, but I think they
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: just that was their strong suit, besides having cast that
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: family so well. Their strong suit was their attention to
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: detail and truth. And you know they had to edit
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: some because there was just vast amounts of material, right right.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that like kept coming, also.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Kept that's right, kept coming. Yeah. Real, they did an
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: incredible job. They just had such a surfeit of, you know,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: fascinating stuff that they had to contain in the eight
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: episodes or whatever it was. Yeah.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was sad when it was over. I felt
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: like I wanted it to be longer.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: It's a sequel.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Well, he continues to do absurd things, you know, the
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: phone calls from jail and all. I mean, it's just
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: a sort of endlessly fascinating. So why do you why
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: do you think people are so fascinated with true crime
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: and what and you know, watching series of it on TV.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have anything profound or unusual to
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: say about that, except that I just think it's human
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: nature to be fascinated because I think there is a
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: basic human sense that we're all we're involuntarily making judgments
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: all day long. Every day of our own lives to
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: stay alive. That's like, we don't need to think to
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: take the next breath. We do it. We instinctively, We
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: all of us have an instinct to stay alive, and
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: for most people to keep other people alive. You know,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: people are famously jump in the water after someone, even
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: if they're scared of the water or they're you know,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: famously you know. So I just think it's I mean,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: this is just what I feel. But so I think
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: it's when someone doesn't have that piece in their psyche
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: that to whatever degree they step outside of that to
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: make a choice or to in the moment of inspiration
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: do something like kill someone. I just think it is
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: it's such a perverse break of human law, like of
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: involuntary built in law, Like it's like what you know,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: that's my take on it. But I know that there's
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: kind of all kinds of killing that happens in the world,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: such as warfare and all kinds of things that happen
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: where people compartmentalize and I don't know what they do
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: to live with themselves. But it's you know, dead tricky. Yeah,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: you know, I just finished. I just in January shot
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: an episode of Elsbeth. Do you know that show Elle'sbeth.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: It's a kind of a Columbus show. Elsbeth is a
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: character that was a good wife, then she was in
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: a good fight, and now there's its spent off that's
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: just about her. She was a defense attorney in those shows,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: but she's now helps the police department in New York
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: City solve crimes. Is the idea yes O type you know,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you watch those other shows, but
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Carrie President is yes good in it, and she yes,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: she's great. This character is the lawyer, has a d D.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: And she's seemed to be very ditzy and capable and
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: then she's like, you know, her brain is just you know, clicking.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: And so it's a really fun show because it's a
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: little bit like only Murders in the Buildings say, where
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: it's whimsical. It's funny, but there's still some tension because
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: there's a murder involved, you know, right, right, So the
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: every episode starts with her murder. The audience knows who
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: the murder is, just like Colombo did. And you watch
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Elsbeth and you know, trap them and find out the
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: truth and nail them. Yeah, it's right not to be
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: a murder on Elsbeth this season, I think in fun
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: second and I haven't seen it yet, but I had
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: so much fun doing it.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Oh I can't wait. I will I'll watch that all day,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Like murder. She wrote, all that, you know, all that's.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Gosh, aside from the weird that the only thing doesn't
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: trans doesn't like sort of holdover for murder, she wrote,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: little misogynist, but yeah, it's okay. So you've played so
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: many intelligent, layered women. What is it about Marian that
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: you find or found the most interesting?
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Just that she had a private She seemed to have
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: a private life that was very rich, and it was
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: a unique opportunity, a unique challenge to have that be
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: not transparent, I mean hopefully transparent, like reveal that when
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: the very nature of her is concealed, like what she's thinking.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I thought that was I don't know if that's exactly
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: an answer to your question, but that's that was my
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: favorite thing about the character, like to yeah, in terms
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: of an actor, like being an actor, like I like
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: that problem to solve, you know, yes, very circumspect, deliberate, careful,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: excellent manners. But the storytelling of it is you need
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: to know what she's thinking or or guess it, or
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: pick up on something that's something that's worrying her or
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: you know. But she's just she's tight lipped, and she's
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: she's conscious of being always ladylike and correct. And maybe
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: ladylike is a kind of an antiquated term, but that's
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: very it's a very South Carolinian property to ask like,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: you know, I have in the most respectful way. I
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: realized it's a bit updated to say that.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and she has to be the one because she
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: is the one that literally says on the stand, I
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: don't understand why this is this way, you know, like
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: she has to and it is. It's totally contrary to
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: her character, her demeanor.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, her nature is. But she also I think that
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: just you know, she's it struck me, as she said
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: as little as possible, but got her pointed, yes right
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: like just so economic. Yes, I just that's why, I mean,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I just admired her so much.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think I know the answer to this question,
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: but I'll ask it anyway. When you wrap a project
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: like this, does it linger with you or do you
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: just leave it behind?
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Well, it lingers, but of course, but this time, this
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: kind of thing was so scary that I did psychologically
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: go shut the door there, Like I kind I didn't
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: watch it right away it was on air. I still
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: haven't finished watching it because it was really it was
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: very nightmarish like that. I remember Patricia saying just sort
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: out of the blue between you know, they're changing camera,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: and she just said, this is so horrible, this is
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: so what a nightmare. It's like, who you think? I mean,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: we've all seen horror movies that are really incredibly violent
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: and horrible. This was a true story that is playing
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: out horror, you know. And she just like I just
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: saw her think about that, and I thought, oh, she's
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: gonna have PTSD from this, you know, right right. But
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: but I didn't have that kind of role. But still
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I just, you know, you didn't want to. You don't
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: want to foster some kind of priant, you know, interest
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: in a ghastly thing that happened to real people like
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: you don't want to. I didn't want to dwell on it.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: So have you?
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: So you have not watched the whole thing.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I haven't watched the whole thing. I've watched some of
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: every episode, but I'm kind of like I have not
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: to the place yet where I could sit down and
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: enjoy watching the whole thing, do you know what I mean?
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Interesting, So you would take you you've watched hearts of each.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I would set out to watch it, and I would
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: watch a little bit and I'd get uncomfortable and walk
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: out of the room and like so, but I know
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: what will happen. It'll be like I'll get a little
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: distance on it, right, and and I'll just sit down
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: and enjoy the hell out of it. Like you know,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I'm still I'm I'm I. I want to do a
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: rewatch of Succession because I watch those episodes. It's a
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: must or twice. I never saw an episode twice that
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I'm aware of, And so I want to go and
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: watch that in a way that I would just be
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: in regular audience members, right, just enjoy it.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: You know, you have so much many hours of joy
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: ahead of you for that we've already watched.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I've already watched it. Yes, well I'm going to do it.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And this is really you know the nature of
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: this podcast is about talking about true crime obviously, and
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: the and how you create narrative around that.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: And I feel like there is.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: You know, this series of particular, and when it's done,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: when things are done right there, they're really quite beautiful
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: in being able to transmit the human condition and the
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: experience and the nuance of these stories and how important
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: it is that they're they're told, and it really is
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: incredibly well done. And what do you hope that people
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: who have watched it or actually not, what do you
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: hope if Marion ever watches this or has watched it,
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: what do you hope that she takes away from it?
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine that she watch it, but I would
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: hope that she gets some relief in I hope that
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: it seems truthful to her, and that that might be
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: in some horrible roundabout way kind of a relief like
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: do you know, just to have it, yes told, the
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: true story told. And I hope that she that I
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: hope that she senses the dignity I try to give
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: her character, because I feel like she's just a very
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: dignified person and a very person and respectable, you know,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: the irony it's just you know that she would marry
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: into this family with very little sense of responsibility or
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: and that she just I would hope that she would
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: pick up on that but you know who knows. She
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: might just think I'm a kook and like, why'd they
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: get her hurted by me? And you know who knows?
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I mean like because imagine like.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, I am certain of the multitude of things
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: that she could be thinking.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's even in but I.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Am kind of a kook, so I mean, she wouldn't
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: be wrong.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Listen from one cook to another. I am I'm on
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: that page. Well, Jay, you or such a joy.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: I really mean it that. I'm so thrilled that I
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: got to spend this time with you. And maybe you
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: can come back and talk about being a playing a murderer.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I'd love to time I got to do it in
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: criminal intent many years ago, but I can't. I can't
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: wait to find out. I decided my character on Elsbeth
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: emulated an a Windour. I'm not playing at a window
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: or anything. I'm playing in a weirdo who wants to
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: have that incredible authority and sense of style.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I had fun inside of fun. Inside of fun. It's
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: really complicated.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: You know well, I will definitely be watching that and Mardoc.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Death in the Family is an eight part series it
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: is streaming on Hulu.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I cannot recommend it enough.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: It's a phenomenal series and you're terrific in it along
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: with everyone else.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: So thank you so much for spending this time with us.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: You're lovely, you are to have a great day.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: Thank you.