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The Flavors of the Week · United We Scan

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  United We Scan podcast. Welcome back, everybody.
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  Episode 78, Flavors of the Week. I'm going to apologize in
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  advance. You're stuck with just myself
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  and James this week. Bill's having some technical
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  issues, so he was not able to join us to where we could
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  clearly hear him. And so on that note, James, how
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  was your week? Yeah, We haven't been able to
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  clearly hear him for a couple weeks now, so hopefully we can
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  get that figured out for the next episode that we do for him.
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  But my week was our state convention, of course, started
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  the week out for me. That was really nice.
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  It was great to see a lot of the people that I knew met some new
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  faces as well. It was great to see a lot of
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  first timers there, you know, standard business procedures
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  through the entire state convention, which we'll talk
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  about next week. Hopefully Bill's back, he's got
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  his state convention this week and that's when we'll talk about
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  all the state convention stuff and wrap everything up then.
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  But then went back to my route and it was normal mail flow for
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  me on my route every day and got to Friday.
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  And because of the short week due to state convention, I
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  actually thought it was Thursday on Friday.
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  So a little screwed up on that, but got through it and got
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  through the weekend here and getting gearing up for the
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  hottest week of the year so far for the state of Michigan.
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  In fact, we're looking at excessive heat watch for an
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  entire week. And I talked with our Weather
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  Service here in Detroit and the meteorologists there and they
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  said that this is the first time they've ever issued 1 for five
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  days in a row. The last little longest period
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  prior to that was 49 hours. So this is a record-breaking
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  week of heat for us down here. How about you, Kristen?
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  Well as like with James, I was at state convention alongside
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  James and yeah it was a good week.
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  I initially had planned to stay for the post convention board
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  meeting, however I had to bring my daughter back Tuesday night
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  and decided, well, I'm off. I took off Friday.
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  So I actually go back to my route tomorrow.
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  I've been off all week. We Wednesday my youngest
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  daughter says hey, can you come get me after work?
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  I said hey, I'm not working, let me get dressed and I'll be on my
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  way. So I made that 4 hour round trip
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  to go pick up my youngest and we had Ruby's doctor's appointment
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  Friday. Things were actually looking
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  pretty good. So yeah, it's been a pretty laid
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  back week for me. Like I said, I'd go back
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  tomorrow and yes, it's going to be warm, going to be warm.
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  Not looking forward to that. I already have my bottles of
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  water in the freezer for the morning.
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  And yeah, what a Monday to go back, let me tell you.
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  But other than that, hasn't been too bad.
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  Well, then Wednesday's the holiday, so we don't have to
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  work Wednesday. So that's regulars anyways.
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  So that's kind of a bonus on that.
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  But other than that, yeah, it's been a fairly laid back week for
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  me. I think Wednesday, Wednesday's
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  gonna probably be one of the hottest days of the week for us
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  down here too. Well, let's see.
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  Right now it's telling me 89 for Monday, which is actually 3°
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  cooler than what it was saying before, and then 87 Tuesday and
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  Wednesday, but we'll see what it actually tops out at.
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  I usually add another 5° or more on that, so we shall see.
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  At least I know. I do know my central air works.
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  I did try that one day this week so my daughter will thank me for
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  having that turned on. Yeah, ours is 9394959492 a week.
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  That's gonna be, it's gonna be a scorcher.
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  I got my cooler ready, so I'll pick up ice in the morning at
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  the gas station, fill the cooler up and that lasts me through the
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  entire route. So, yeah, so that's actually
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  going to start out our topics that I got for this week and
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  that is stationary events. We've heard it before, we've
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  talked about it before. Management has been getting down
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  on not only rural carriers, but city carriers too on this, Cory.
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  And from 8, arbitration talked about this, that there's
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  actually an e-mail out there that they are to talk to three
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  up to three carriers that are on the list of stationary events
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  every day. And they're going to be pushing
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  that, especially in these hot conditions.
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  So I wanted to first start off with that, especially with the
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  heat wave that's building across this country.
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  So Kristen, have you experienced anybody talking about the
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  stationary events in your office?
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  Have you heard anything and things like that?
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  Nope. All I know is a couple weeks ago
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  our 2O4B did a training on stationary events, but it was
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  geared towards the City side. That's the only thing that we've
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  heard in my office about stationary events that I'm aware
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  of, anyways. I've, I've had a few discussions
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  with my supervisor over stationary events and I'm like,
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  OK, show me where they are. He pointed to them.
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  I said, Oh yeah, reload spot, reload spot, reload spot.
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  Because I actually set myself up with specific reload spots that
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  are also cooling spots. I can park the truck in the
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  shade to do my reload and stuff like that.
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  So after the second day of him talking to me, I turned around
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  and I said, if you bring this to me again, I'm going to file a
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  grievance for harassment based on me doing my job.
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  And he has not come to me ever since.
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  And that's the thing. You need to take care of
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  yourself out there, especially in this heat.
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  But you definitely do not let them harass you about them
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  because it is harassment. They're setting benchmarks for
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  how long it takes you to move stuff around in your truck, how
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  long it takes you to take a cooling period outside of these
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  easy bake ovens on wheels and things like that.
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  Don't let them do it. You agree, Kristen?
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  I agree. Yeah, I, I've got my spots too.
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  If they were to ever question stationary events, you know, and
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  if they pinpointed it, we all have our spots where that is
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  easiest for us to move our mail around, realign our packages, do
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  what we got to do. I mean, everybody, I mean, every
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  route I've ever ran, any amount of time, I've always had select
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  spots where I did those things. So yeah, I mean, if they ever
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  questioned me, be like, yeah, that's my reload spot.
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  You got a question about it, Meet me out there tomorrow.
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  Same time, same place, you know. Well, not in the same time, but
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  same place every day. Yes, and disciplining you over
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  GPS data is not allowed. We have MO, us and paperwork on
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  that. That GPS data alone cannot be
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  used for discipline and that is what the stationary events are
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  is GPS data. So take care of some.
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  Carriers getting dinged on on stationary events when they're
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  servicing CV us. Yeah.
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  Exactly. Oh, looks like Bill's trying to
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  hop back in. We'll see if it's working for
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  him. I'm trying is it working?
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  You are clear at the moment. Clear for now.
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  I just won't move my head. How was how?
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  How was your week, Bill? Uneventful.
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  I'm still out on medical and taking calls from carriers and
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  questions. One of the most particular ones
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  was a result of the SD and C where they lost 4 Subs from an
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  outlying office because they didn't want to drive so far.
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  But they think that's OK because one sub from our office actually
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  wants to transfer there. So you know, a four to one ratio
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  is acceptable to them. Makes sense, doesn't it?
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  Oh yeah, always does. Catch you up here, Bill, We were
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  talking about stationary events and management harassing
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  carriers over that. Like Corey talked about on Form
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  8 arbitration and how they're doing 3 carriers a day they have
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  to talk to on a stationary event that they're on the list.
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  And I told them that I've actually been on that list and
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  my, my supervisor talked to me about it.
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  The first time I went over there and he showed me where it was.
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  And I'm like, Yep, reload spot, reload spot, reload spot.
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  And the second time after he got done talking to me about it, I
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  said, if you come to me with it again, I'm going to file a
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  grievance for harassment on this.
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  And he hasn't messed with me since.
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  But there are a lot of carriers that are getting treated this
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  way. And we've got excessive heat
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  watches here in Michigan this full next week and this heat
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  stuff, you know, you're going to be stopping.
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  You're going to want to get out of that truck to reload.
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  I've actually started putting my reload in the back of my truck.
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  So I have to get out of the truck to reload the truck so I
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  can get out of the heat and cool myself off while I'm reloading
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  and stuff like that. But would you like to speak on
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  on the stationary events and keeping yourself cool out there?
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  Well, the first thing I'd like to remind people is start
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  hydrating the day before. You know, don't don't wait till
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  the day of or when you start sweating.
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  It's too late then. You can't get enough fluid into
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  your system. Second of all, the post office
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  is very good in putting some of these warnings into your
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  scanners. Use those messages from the post
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  office against them that tell you to slow down, to take a
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  break, to rest in the shade. Their own messages are giving
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  you clearance to have a stationary event in case of
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  excessive heat. The other thing is you know you
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  can fill out a 17676767 in regards to unsafe conditions
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  because of the fact that these vehicles are microwaves on
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  wheels. I mean, you have a 21 square
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  foot windshield that does nothing but let the heat in.
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  You have a firewall that does nothing but let the heat from
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  the engine comes right in on your feet, your legs.
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  Folks, don't play with your safety.
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  We, we've already had the a couple deaths last year from the
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  heat. You're, you're probably going to
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  see some this year. And God help us, I hope we
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  don't. But people are going to push
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  themselves and they're going to get pushed by management.
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  Fight back. Stand up for yourself because
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  your life is worth more than this damn job.
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  But use the information that the post office actually posts on
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  there. And if you want, you can
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  actually request their messaging and print it out and say, look,
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  you're telling me to take these stationary events.
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  I'm taking them. And if they tell you to take
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  them, you're on the clock because that is a instruction
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  from management, so therefore it isn't on the clock.
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  Not a break. Nope, it is not.
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  And just want to remind everybody, them harassing people
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  on stationary events, that is what killed our city brother,
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  Mr. Gates. They harassed him about his
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  stationary events, threatened him with discipline up to and
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  including termination because he was having stationary events to
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  cool off in the Texas heat, and it killed him.
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  Management killed him. Don't let it happen to you.
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  Your life's not worth his job. Now you got to take care of
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  yourself first and foremost. Yeah, so.
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  And you know, these, these, these, like you said, on average
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  becoming a three carrier, that's a form of benchmarking.
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  Yeah. They've got to meet quotas in
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  regards to who they talked to, like.
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  Yeah. And from aid arbitration talked
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  about it. It wasn't just from district
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  managers. It was further up the chain in
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  in upper management that was bringing this directive down.
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  Yeah, got to take care of yourselves, guys.
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  That that's the number one important thing.
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  Yep, I mean, you're here outside of Philadelphia, they have a
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  heat index over all week long and there is no rain, no relief,
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  nothing. So, you know, detect yourself
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  you're most safe and sound to your family.
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  Next next topic I had doesn't isn't as major as that, but I
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  got messaged by a carrier that they've been getting messaged on
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  the scanner to return for late DPS.
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  They don't return from the route in the middle of the route, they
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  wait until the end and then management has them run the
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  entire route of DPS on a second trip.
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  I had this instance in my office and it actually should be
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  straight time. However we did settle pre a
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  class action grievance was before a grievance could be
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  filed. We did settle for the second
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  trip pay at the time as long as everybody got paid for it, but
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  going above myself at the time to seeking guidance, I was told
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  it should have been straight time.
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  Actually there is a second trip scenarios and compensation
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  issued out by our union and it says management requires you to
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  return to the office at some point during your route to pick
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  up and deliver late arriving mail or parcels that weren't
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  sorted before you left. Basically at issue here is
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  management is expecting you to leave the route and come back
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  in, then go back out to deliver first.
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  Do not answer your phone or acknowledge scanner texts while
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  on the route. Cell phone use on the route is
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  prohibited by management and the Union except in cases of
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  emergency. Real carriers are not to be sent
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  or acknowledged. Scanner text Operational
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  concerns are not emergencies. Management does somehow arrange
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  for you to return and go back out.
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  Compensation As it stated below, the NRLCA position is that real
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  carriers should be compensated at the carriers FLSA overtime
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  rate time and 1/2 as defined in article 9.2 dot A .1 dot K.
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  The same method to use to calculate the Christmas overtime
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  rate. You should also receive
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  additional EMA if you drive apov.
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  If management refused to compensate you in this way, file
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  a grievance. The only time you should be paid
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  for second trip rate is if you have parcels leftover that you
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  couldn't fit in your vehicle or mail leftover that you couldn't
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  fit in your vehicle. That is the only time you should
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  get second trip pay. Great guys.
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  Correct. That's 100% my book and if it
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  doesn't fit and you know, requires a second trip, that's
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  second trip DPS or miss sorted mail or you know, mail that
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  that's coming at the time and and the fact that outside, you
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  know your has nothing to do operations on the deal.
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  It's the one today and it's at the time.
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  Second trip or second? You're still breaking up, Bill.
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  I don't see how it all right. I've.
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  Tried. I've had everything I could.
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  Guys, I'm going to go to the bar.
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  And that's the clearest thing we've heard yet.
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  Something important is going on and it's like, fine, I'm going
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  to the bar. It's like clear.
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  Sorry you're having technical difficulties, Bill.
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  I'll get with you a little later and we'll talk about what what
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  to do with that. Try and figure this out.
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  But yes, no it it shouldn't be second trip pay.
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  The reason we settled that in my office was because my postmaster
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  didn't want to pay anybody anything because they were all
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  back. Those that did take their DP, we
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  had one carrier at the time who chose not to take her DPS and
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  just case it up for the next day.
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  Those that did go out and run it, we're still back from
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  running both times under evaluation.
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  So she, because they were under evaluation for the whole day,
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  didn't feel that she should have to pay them for that.
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  And that's where we we settled before it became a class action
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  grievance on being the second trip pay.
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  If she wasn't going to at least settle for that, then yes, it
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  would have gone higher up. But that was the case of my
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  instance on that one because she well, they're all back within
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  their evaluation. Why should I have to pay them
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  and I? Was fair wages for Fair Work?
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  Exactly, exactly. So actually a couple of the
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  couple of the routes actually made out better doing second
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  trip pay than they would have the other way around for the
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  actual time it took them. So, so, yeah, technically it
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  should be. And no, they're not supposed to
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  call you or text you. I I have that hanging on the
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  bulletin board, but you know that we at least stop the
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  scanner texting, messaging on the rural side of my office.
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  But then when they text me or call me on my phone, I don't
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  even bother answering it or looking at it.
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  I wait till I get back at the office.
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  Well, did you get my text? I don't know, Did I?
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  Exactly. Oh, here it is.
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  Oh, here it is. I see it now.
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  Yep. Yep.
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  All right. I had somebody reach out to me
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  because a current manager wanted to kick up a grievance to Step
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  2, would not, was not willing to discuss it, was not willing to
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  sit down and have a discussion about it, even though the
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  carrier had filed a similar grievance to this one, pretty
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  much identical grievance to this one previously with a previous
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  manager. What's your take?
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  Repeat that again. What was was that about?
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  So a carrier this, this actually was a steward reached out to me.
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  They had filed a grievance for a situation that was identical to
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  a grievance they had previously filed with another manager.
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  And this current manager does not want to even discuss it,
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  does not want to settle, it just wants to kick it up to Step 2.
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  Well, that would be fair to comply to the first one, number
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  one and he wants to kick it up to Step 2 then then make sure
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  you include that I would include that previous grievance in the
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  settlement with it and pass it up to Step 2.
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  Yeah. If local management doesn't want
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  to talk about it, then yeah, I got it.
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  Should go up to Step 2. I also think I also think that
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  manager is also failing to bargain in good faith.
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  Yeah, yeah. And I think it would fall under
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  a failure to comply because it's that grievance is still within
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  that office and they're not replying.
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  So regardless of that, it's a different manager, it's still
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  the same office. Yeah.
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  I would send it to Step 2 and let District hash it out.
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  Yep, exactly. And you're going to get This is
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  Stewart, you're gonna have new management.
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  And even though you've got previous grievances that are
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  identical, the ones you're filing.
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  Now, the issue is, is that some managers don't want those
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  grievances on their record. They don't want it shown that
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  they had a grievance filed in their in their office under
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  their name. Now, this could be a situation
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  where this manager came from another office where they had a
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  lot of grievances filed under them.
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  And so when they moved to this new office, they want it to look
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  like they're they've changed their tune.
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  They've become a better manager without all these grievances.
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  So that way they can get off the list of grievance issue
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  management that could result in an MOU 25 S, Yeah.
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  I would you know that would be a manager management refuse to
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  meet at step one automatically goes to Step 2.
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  Plain and simple. Exactly.
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  And I think that would actually look even worse upon management
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  for refusing it then it would be trying to trying to hash it out.
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  And if they couldn't come to agreement, then it went to Step
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  2, that'd be one thing. But if they're flat out
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  refusing, not want to do it, yeah.
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  So it's Step 2 that districts, yeah.
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  Yeah, all right. I've actually talked with a
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  carrier who's dealing with managerial harassment to the
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  point that they are counting down the minutes to their
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  retirement that. Sounds familiar?
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  And this this goes to show that management doesn't care how much
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  they violate the joint statements on workplace violence
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  and harassment. They don't care that a manager
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  is causing issues. This carrier alone, without the
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  elder carriers in the office has filed 40 grievances against
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  this, this manager and six EE OS.
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  And yet the manager still works in this office and the other
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  two. Common though.
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  And these other carriers are filing too.
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  And my question is, is I know that our union tracks grievances
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  with management. I know they keep an eye on who's
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  doing what. But my question is, is when is
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  enough enough? Yeah, and unfortunately, we
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  can't control management. I mean, a grievance process is
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  the only thing we have, but when upper management just wants to
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  move the troublemaker around because they don't know any
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  better or I, you know, they don't have to answer to their
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  faults. They don't have to be.
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  Oh, what's the word I'm looking for, James.
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  Accountable. Yes, thank you, accountable.
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  And they know they don't have to.
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  I mean, and that's quite obvious with the way that some of these
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  managers handle themselves and, and treat, treat carrier, you
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  know, treat people on the floor, not just carriers, clerks too.
• 24:27
  They don't, you know, they know that they they're not going to
• 24:31
  be held accountable for it. So why should they change their
• 24:34
  behavior? It's sad and it's nerve wracking
• 24:39
  because I mean, management's never been great.
• 24:42
  I mean, there are great managers out there.
• 24:44
  Don't get me wrong, there are some wonderful managers out
• 24:48
  there. Unfortunately, it's just a small
• 24:51
  handful and and majority of them feel like they're untouchable
• 24:59
  and that's how they act because they know.
• 25:00
  Well, yeah, they'll just move me.
• 25:02
  Maybe I'll go someplace else better.
• 25:05
  Maybe I'll get a pay raise while I do that too.
• 25:07
  Yeah, you know, they don't care. They really don't.
• 25:11
  I mean, and it's sad that upper management will keep bouncing
• 25:13
  the same ones around for the same reasons from office to
• 25:16
  office to office without really negating.
• 25:20
  I mean, it negates anything that the union tries to do or, or,
• 25:24
  you know, people filing the grievances or EOS or anything of
• 25:28
  that matter. It totally negates all that when
• 25:30
  they just move them to another office and they repeat the same
• 25:33
  thing. Well, move them to another
• 25:34
  office, repeat the same thing. When's enough enough management
• 25:38
  and why can't you? Obviously you see a pattern
• 25:42
  here. Why aren't you doing anything
• 25:44
  about it? Because Lord knows we can't keep
• 25:46
  enough people in the carrier, you know, on the floor
• 25:48
  positions. But, you know, let's hire more
• 25:50
  management, OK? I agree.
• 25:56
  I agree completely on that. You know, you, you got managers
• 26:00
  that are coming in off the streets.
• 26:01
  A lot of them only have business management degrees that they've
• 26:05
  hired off the streets. Or you have people that have
• 26:08
  never carried a piece of mail in their life being management now
• 26:14
  and they have no clue what it takes to do this job.
• 26:18
  They just do what they're told from the person above them and
• 26:20
  the person above them's in the same position that that person
• 26:23
  below them is. They never carried a piece of
• 26:25
  mail. They never delivered a piece of
• 26:27
  mail to a customer. They never got to see the joy on
• 26:30
  a customer's face when we delivered them their needed
• 26:32
  medication, things like that. And.
• 26:36
  They never gave a hug to a customer as you're returning
• 26:40
  their loved ones cremated remains.
• 26:43
  They've never shared in the tiers of that.
• 26:45
  They've never, you know, been the one to hand a a college
• 26:50
  graduate their college degree or you know, or you know, anything
• 26:57
  of that nature or whether it's, you know, the end of life, the
• 27:02
  beginning of life, the the steps through life that we all see
• 27:05
  with our customers on our route. You know, whether it's a newborn
• 27:09
  or a graduation or sadly, you know, we lose a customer, they
• 27:14
  don't understand because they don't deal with it.
• 27:17
  They've never had to deal with that on a personal level like we
• 27:20
  all have. Yep.
• 27:23
  And then they also have the mindset of, well, I'm the boss,
• 27:27
  you have to do what I tell you. I'm the boss.
• 27:31
  It's my way or the highway. You're just a little peon who
• 27:36
  means absolutely nothing to me. You're a number on a
• 27:39
  spreadsheet. You're part of the bell curve to
• 27:41
  the Postal Service. And I'm going to look at them,
• 27:45
  be like, you know, I can do my job without you.
• 27:47
  I am an adult, but you do to my job without me.
• 27:50
  Then we'll see how that matters. Yep.
• 27:55
  So it's it's one of those things that I do not tolerate
• 27:59
  harassment in any shape, way, shape or form in the Postal
• 28:03
  Service. You know, you can have joking
• 28:06
  and ribbing with each other as long as it's mutually done.
• 28:10
  When it's one sided, it's bullying, it's harassment, it's
• 28:15
  intimidation, you know it's treating.
• 28:20
  It's disparagement, especially if you're only pinpointing out
• 28:25
  one craft or another, or one carrier over another.
• 28:29
  It's. Or one gender over another.
• 28:32
  Oh yeah, I mean, I've seen all three of those in my office.
• 28:36
  But anyways, yeah, no, it it's, I swear management just
• 28:44
  completely removes the humanity out of the job anymore.
• 28:48
  I know, and a lot of that has to do with technology.
• 28:53
  Yeah. Everything they have to do with
• 28:56
  with monitoring carriers today is on the computer.
• 29:02
  Except if you actually read the M38, they're supposed to be
• 29:07
  physically monitoring carriers. They're supposed to be
• 29:11
  observing. They're supposed to do route
• 29:13
  observations. They're supposed to do, you
• 29:15
  know, we're getting back into doing route inspections again
• 29:19
  when mine will be rescheduled for.
• 29:21
  I have no clue. I think there's stuff going on
• 29:23
  with the City side with the routes right now.
• 29:25
  So they're concentrating on that.
• 29:27
  But you know, there there's, if they think that you're just
• 29:32
  sitting there on a stationary event, then get off your butt
• 29:35
  out of your chair, be from behind the computer and get out
• 29:37
  there and see what's going on. That's where we lose carriers is
• 29:42
  because, well, they're going to bitch about stationary events.
• 29:45
  But when a carrier is sitting still for hours and they don't
• 29:48
  go out and check or don't do anything, that's what happens.
• 29:53
  And it has happened, and we've lost some really good people
• 29:56
  because of that. Yeah, even here on the rural
• 30:00
  side, our good friend David Troutman.
• 30:05
  Yes. So yes, it's, you know, yeah.
• 30:12
  Dog pammies. Yeah, we'll go down a rabbit
• 30:17
  hole we don't want to go down. Exactly, exactly.
• 30:22
  But another one that I've gotten this week was Order of
• 30:28
  consideration. An RCA was not called for their
• 30:32
  primary route due to being in overtime.
• 30:38
  That is a double. That is in, but the order of
• 30:44
  consideration says that even if they're in overtime, the primary
• 30:47
  relief carrier's responsibility is to the primary route.
• 30:51
  Yes, and they are entitled to the evaluation of the route when
• 30:53
  the carrier's gone. And I have heard of a lot of
• 30:57
  Poms and poms, whatever you want to call them, that are trying to
• 31:01
  restrict RCA overtime. 40 hours. That's it.
• 31:05
  They can't work over 40 hours. This includes my Pomeria too.
• 31:09
  This has been said and it's BS. So you'd rather pay regular
• 31:14
  carriers overtime than pay an RCA in overtime?
• 31:19
  I don't care if you're table one or Table 2 regular carrier,
• 31:22
  you're still paying out a lot more on an OT for them than you
• 31:26
  are for an RCA. And on top of that, it's a, it's
• 31:30
  a violation. It's a violation of the order of
• 31:34
  consideration if that relief carrier is assigned to that
• 31:38
  route and that route is available to be worked.
• 31:41
  I don't care if you have an RCA doing clerk work or an RCA doing
• 31:45
  janitorial work and already in the office.
• 31:48
  You have to contact that RCA first and see if they're
• 31:52
  available to come into work. Yep, and if they're sitting at
• 31:56
  home and you have somebody else run that route, that RCA sitting
• 31:59
  at home has a grievance. Yeah.
• 32:02
  And that's when I told him I said that RCA needs to file
• 32:05
  agreements for loss of available work and talk with your
• 32:09
  designated union Rep because that needs to be filed because
• 32:12
  that RCA should get paid and that RCA is now going to get
• 32:16
  paid the evaluation of that route for sitting at home.
• 32:21
  And yeah, I mean, that was like this, you know, with me being
• 32:25
  gone this week. I was gone Monday through
• 32:28
  Friday. I did work my K day on Saturday,
• 32:31
  last Saturday, I should say, just 'cause they needed my sub
• 32:35
  on to assist with a newer RCA and she was looking at what day
• 32:43
  to give him as a relief day. I'm thinking you don't.
• 32:45
  He's entitled the evaluation of my route, so he's entitled to
• 32:49
  those 46 hours and those five days that he's scheduled on my
• 32:52
  route, plain and simple. And he did work all those those
• 33:01
  five days on my route. It's amazing to think how much
• 33:07
  management tries to get away with and 9099% of it is coming
• 33:13
  right from the district manager. And I guarantee you at least 70%
• 33:18
  of that coming from the district manager is coming from the
• 33:20
  regional manager and at least 50% of it's coming from national
• 33:24
  office down to down to the district manager.
• 33:28
  So these guys are on a power trip from the top down to two
• 33:34
  Ras carriers. And it's our job as well
• 33:38
  informed and educated carriers to hold management accountable.
• 33:43
  And it's up to our stewards to also help these carriers hold
• 33:48
  management accountable all the way through the whole chain.
• 33:51
  Yeah, because once you get out of the office, all they're
• 33:54
  looking at is spreadsheets and numbers.
• 33:56
  And obviously if an office is having issues, aren't you want
• 33:59
  to go go to that office, say OK, why are we having these issues?
• 34:05
  What can we do to help? Do we have to get more people
• 34:08
  in? Do we have to see if we got our
• 34:10
  CAS and another office that are available to help come in, do
• 34:13
  you know? But they're not the So shit
• 34:17
  rolls downhill, basically. Yeah.
• 34:21
  Instead of addressing the issues at the office level like they
• 34:25
  should be, it all rolls downhill to all the offices in the area.
• 34:29
  No, RCA is over 40 hours. None of this, none of that.
• 34:33
  Don't do this, don't do that. Instead of addressing the issues
• 34:37
  where the issues are at. Instead of solving the problem,
• 34:42
  they're kicking the can down the road by making these changes
• 34:45
  that make things worse for everybody else, and it's one of
• 34:51
  the biggest things that has been going on since before COVID.
• 34:56
  Oh yeah. And it hasn't stopped.
• 34:59
  There were managers that were saying, oh, RCA should only work
• 35:02
  six days a week, RCA should only work 13 days and two weeks,
• 35:06
  things like that. You know, in some offices that
• 35:10
  may work well, there are some Rcas that are still only working
• 35:13
  Saturday, Sunday and Monday at offices that have good managers
• 35:18
  that people want to continue to work underneath.
• 35:21
  But there are some offices out there that the Rcas are working
• 35:24
  seven days a Week, 2 routes a day.
• 35:27
  Been there, done that. I mean, I have that stretch
• 35:32
  between when I that last Christmas season as an RCAI had
• 35:36
  that stretch between that Sunday after Thanksgiving.
• 35:39
  I did not have a single day off till Christmas Day, 27 days
• 35:43
  straight. And I had one other regular that
• 35:46
  had just gone full time, you know, that September before he
• 35:51
  and I were the only two of that whole office currently not, I
• 35:54
  was the only RCA at the time, but he and I were the only two
• 35:58
  that worked those 27 days straight.
• 36:00
  We had a couple of the regulars that volunteered to come in on
• 36:03
  Sunday here and there, but we, we got her done.
• 36:07
  Oh, that's there is nothing. I mean, yes, some, some, some
• 36:13
  districts, some areas have their little rules on, you know, not
• 36:17
  working. RCA is over six days or nine
• 36:21
  days, 13 days, whatever it be in a row.
• 36:24
  But contractually there is no nothing out there like that.
• 36:29
  RCS could work 365 up to 12 hours a day and there nowhere on
• 36:35
  there some RCS that would do it, but good luck.
• 36:41
  Yeah. It's just it's sad that they
• 36:43
  want to try and do that when they're already short anyways,
• 36:49
  and then to turn around and yeah, I'm trying to behave.
• 37:00
  That's good, that's good. You're not going to go off like
• 37:02
  into a rabbit hole. We're not going to take this
• 37:05
  where way too far. You know, it's, it's the
• 37:08
  biggest, the biggest things about all of this is management
• 37:12
  is going to do the best they can to mismanage the office, abuse
• 37:16
  the carriers, break the contract, violate the Mous and
• 37:19
  other documents that we have. And it's our responsibility as
• 37:24
  carriers. And even if it's not you that
• 37:26
  it's being affected to still to step up and say, hey, that goes
• 37:31
  against this, this and this. Because the only way to protect
• 37:35
  this craft is to become united together and working for a
• 37:39
  common goal, which is the protection of this craft in
• 37:42
  every document that has ever come forth.
• 37:45
  There's a lot of documents out there, but you know it.
• 37:49
  It doesn't mean one carrier needs to read them all.
• 37:52
  If you can try and at least get other carriers in your office to
• 37:54
  educate themselves to one point or another, especially if it's
• 37:58
  something particular they may be going through themselves, you
• 38:00
  know, point them in the right direction.
• 38:01
  Hey, read this. Hey, check this out because you
• 38:05
  know, the more you know better that you can try and nip it in
• 38:11
  the bud. Try.
• 38:16
  Yep. And for the carriers that need
• 38:18
  to know information and are trying to understand the
• 38:21
  contract and things like that, there is the R Cam, the rural,
• 38:25
  the rural carrier administration Manual.
• 38:30
  And that is basically a translation of the articles of
• 38:34
  the contract, a little bit easier to digest than the lawyer
• 38:38
  speak that's in there because unfortunately contracts have to
• 38:42
  be in lawyer speak so that they are enforceable in a court of
• 38:45
  law. Yeah, definitely check that out.
• 38:49
  I know you can get it up on the new website and stuff.
• 38:52
  It is a definitely a helpful tool.
• 38:54
  It said it took so long to get it out and definitely could use
• 38:57
  some tweaking, but it is a definite tool to use, especially
• 39:01
  when approaching management on issues.
• 39:05
  And if anything in the RCAM text that the translation of the
• 39:10
  article contradicts what's in the article, the article
• 39:15
  supersedes the RKM translation. Yeah, what?
• 39:20
  He said. Basically, out of everything,
• 39:28
  the contract supersedes anything management puts forth.
• 39:32
  It is the law of the land for rural carriers you can have.
• 39:39
  The Art Cam basically has given you what is supposed to be a
• 39:42
  joint agreed upon interpretation of the article it's explaining.
• 39:52
  So, well, that was literally all I really had.
• 39:56
  If Phil was here, this would have been an hour long episode
• 39:58
  at least. Let.
• 39:59
  Me. Let me see if I got anything
• 40:01
  here real quick. I know I've had a few things pop
• 40:04
  up, but we'll see. If anything important.
• 40:09
  And if anybody in the chat has anything they want to bring up,
• 40:14
  you know? So what if you you know you need
• 40:20
  an RCA to cover a route and you're you're reaching out to
• 40:23
  offices but you have local managers in other offices nearby
• 40:31
  saying no or telling their Rcas you do not want to go work in
• 40:34
  that office because management is blankety blank?
• 40:41
  Wow, uh huh. Wow.
• 40:47
  That is quite interesting. So management against management
• 40:50
  there, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:53
  I've I've heard of, I've heard of them doing that to Rcas that
• 40:57
  they don't like saying, you know, we're not gonna go to any
• 41:00
  other offices. You're not allowed to volunteer
• 41:02
  at any other offices or we'll fire you.
• 41:05
  But I haven't heard that one before.
• 41:07
  Management telling their their Rcas, you don't wanna go work
• 41:11
  there because management sucks. Yeah, yeah, I can think of a
• 41:19
  couple instances not too far away.
• 41:23
  Yeah. So Neil's to say most of if any
• 41:29
  borrowed Rcas that we have any more are driving pretty darn
• 41:34
  close to that fifty mile range. Yeah, so one of our listeners in
• 41:41
  the chat said. And when my leave was denied
• 41:43
  because of six day rule, I asked Are you sure?
• 41:46
  Article 10 says nothing about six days.
• 41:49
  Are you sure the next day it's magically approved?
• 41:53
  Exactly, Exactly. Standing, standing up to
• 42:01
  management and just saying, hey, that's not in the contract,
• 42:05
  that's not in the PO6O3, that's not in the M38, you know, can
• 42:10
  you show me in writing where it says that that's that's the
• 42:12
  case? That's the biggest way to get
• 42:15
  management to shut down on things.
• 42:17
  Ask it to be shown in writing. Yep, had that instance too,
• 42:21
  where, well, you need to put a leaf slip in for your K day
• 42:24
  'cause you're on the relief day work list.
• 42:26
  Just swap the K day and I'm like, here, here, here's all the
• 42:30
  information you need and then put it out.
• 42:33
  Looks at her and says will you show that to me in writing,
• 42:36
  please? Yeah, that changed real quick.
• 42:43
  Yeah, that's the biggest way. If management's trying to wants
• 42:45
  to try and impose something or come up with their own rules,
• 42:48
  you just ask for that stucker in writing.
• 42:53
  And if they give you some little hand type thing in writing that
• 42:57
  says here, this is what I said, it won't hold up, Grieve it.
• 43:06
  Do want to put a a little somber note here.
• 43:10
  We do wish our friend Josh all the best.
• 43:14
  He had to put the male cat down and so we wanted to wish him the
• 43:19
  best on that. Yes, we're here for him.
• 43:23
  That pulls up the heartstrings. Definitely we're.
• 43:27
  Going to miss the all of us we're.
• 43:28
  Going to miss male cat pictures. Yes.
• 43:33
  No. But anything else you got that
• 43:38
  came to you in the past few, few weeks, Kristen?
• 43:41
  I'm looking, I'm looking. Let's see here.
• 43:45
  Let's see. One was about a route
• 43:50
  inspection. They did get it resolved.
• 43:52
  But here's The thing is you know when you have your own,
• 43:55
  especially with PO VS and route inspections.
• 43:58
  And I know quite a few carriers that may or may not have right
• 44:02
  hand drives, but they take all the seats out that they don't
• 44:04
  use, so they have more room for parcels and whatnot.
• 44:08
  And then route inspections come up.
• 44:10
  They were able to, that was the biggest question on that.
• 44:14
  And they were able to come in an agreement where management
• 44:17
  followed behind them on the route inspection.
• 44:21
  How that worked, I don't know, but that's what they were able
• 44:24
  to come up with. I know route inspections have
• 44:26
  kind of been a big one, especially with those that Dr.
• 44:28
  mattresses and those that have Povs that they have retrofitted
• 44:32
  for their needs. Yeah.
• 44:37
  And if you do not have a safe location to for that manager to
• 44:43
  secure themselves in that vehicle, that means a seat with
• 44:46
  a seat belt. A lot of states it's illegal to
• 44:49
  not be a seat belted in a vehicle safely.
• 44:54
  You know, yes, our LL VS have that crappy little bolted in
• 44:57
  seat that wouldn't survive an accident if it tried, but it's
• 45:02
  still a seat belted seat that is installed in the vehicle and
• 45:07
  that is required by most state laws and and as postal manuals
• 45:11
  say, you have to abide by federal and state laws when
• 45:14
  driving on the roads all. Right.
• 45:16
  I do have one and this is about brand new Rcas.
• 45:19
  This will be a good one. We have an issue here in my
• 45:23
  office. We've had four new Rcas in the
• 45:25
  past two months. The first girl got three weeks
• 45:29
  of training with five different trainers because she couldn't
• 45:32
  get along with anyone and refused to do anything.
• 45:36
  The 2nd girl I trained 3 days and got and another got trained
• 45:42
  one day and she's doing great now.
• 45:45
  We had two guys come in yesterday.
• 45:49
  One guy was put with a trainer and the other guy was tossed
• 45:53
  around. Nobody wanted to train him so
• 45:56
  they ended up giving him one row off of my case to deliver since
• 45:59
  I was off today. He came in and they put him on a
• 46:02
  route but since we only had one jump seat and the other guy is
• 46:05
  riding with his trainer, they told him to come back at 11 and
• 46:09
  carry half the route. No training, no casing, no
• 46:13
  learning where to get the mail, parcels, etcetera.
• 46:16
  No learning either the return to write, where return to writer
• 46:21
  mail goes, etcetera. They will then schedule him to
• 46:24
  do the route by himself Saturday.
• 46:26
  The regulars upset because it'll affect his route evaluation as
• 46:30
  well. I'm not happy he carried on my
• 46:32
  route yesterday. Is there any recourse?
• 46:37
  I did send her the article on training so.
• 46:42
  I mean if the if the steward could file grievances on behalf
• 46:46
  of the carriers that that carrier would be protected if
• 46:51
  the carrier. Had a proper oji in place.
• 46:56
  DOJI could file a grievance. Well, not only that, but if they
• 47:00
  had a proper OJI in place, then the scheduling of the new
• 47:04
  trainees would go in order and the OJI would be working with
• 47:08
  that new trainee on their primary route, not the Oji's
• 47:12
  route, the primary route that RCA is assigned to.
• 47:17
  And that Oji would get Is it P time right now?
• 47:22
  Yeah, it is P code for a regular yes.
• 47:25
  Yeah, you get P and that would mean you.
• 47:26
  Your route evaluation for training on another route.
• 47:30
  Yeah. And if you do it, and if you do
• 47:34
  it on your relief day, it's a daco Y and you get an X day.
• 47:40
  I know I've done that twice. Yeah, and that is setting up RCA
• 47:47
  for failure is what that manager is doing.
• 47:52
  It is setting up Rcas for failure, it is setting up for
• 47:55
  evaluation failures, It is setting up for year long
• 47:59
  problems in that office. And it's sad to hear.
• 48:04
  It's sad to see. I understand the manager wants
• 48:07
  bodies to to cover for mail and stop the bleeding of 2080 and
• 48:14
  2240 times for regular carriers and stuff like that, but that's
• 48:20
  not the way to go about it. And in fact, the carriers that
• 48:24
  are getting that RCA to touch their route, they should be
• 48:27
  filing a grievance because technically that that RCA should
• 48:31
  not be touching that mail until they are properly trained on how
• 48:34
  to run a route and that includes the OJI time.
• 48:37
  And they're supposed to be on their primary for the first two
• 48:41
  full pay periods following the OJT, with the exception of
• 48:46
  running parcels. So in my opinion, the district
• 48:50
  refs to be involved in that. I completely agree.
• 48:55
  That would be the one that you'd want to get on the horn forward
• 48:58
  to your ADRDR immediately. Yeah, and.
• 49:03
  That's one of the reasons why we can't keep our CAS either.
• 49:08
  Yeah next one is the 50 mile radius is crap.
• 49:13
  Some people already travel to their office due to bad
• 49:16
  management in their own town. From our listener chat.
• 49:20
  Yeah, yeah. And it's 50 miles as the crow
• 49:24
  flies. It's not.
• 49:26
  Easy, I really. Thing is.
• 49:29
  Is I really? Find you.
• 49:32
  You rarely actually find the 50 miles in writing.
• 49:36
  Yeah. And I also think of areas like
• 49:40
  the UP of Michigan and down along the the lake shores where
• 49:46
  it's less than 50 miles across the lake.
• 49:49
  And so you're sending the guy over into Wisconsin 50 miles as
• 49:54
  the crow flies. He's driving 130 miles to get
• 49:57
  there. Yeah, I don't think gonna have
• 50:00
  that happen too much, but no. That's that's all worded.
• 50:05
  I know, I know. Unfortunately, yes, it.
• 50:13
  But you do have the FLSA standards on travel pay.
• 50:18
  We have that in our our top, our Discord server.
• 50:24
  Which which section is that in Kristen, the Discord server that
• 50:27
  you put that in? That's a good question.
• 50:32
  I think I put it under gonna be under useful info, yeah.
• 50:39
  Well, you guys post it in. You can always post it in the
• 50:42
  helpful info. Yeah, it's in the.
• 50:45
  Discord and it's also on our our group on Facebook, you can find
• 50:52
  it and it talks about how they should be paying you for that
• 50:55
  travel time to those offices and you should be paid from your
• 51:01
  office to that office and back and it's good.
• 51:08
  And it also applies to your 12 hour rule for the day.
• 51:11
  Well, 11 1/2 + 1/2 hour lunch. All right, the next one
• 51:18
  unscanned parcels. They want proof.
• 51:23
  Well, that's if you got it right there in the office.
• 51:27
  I would just say unscannedable parcel.
• 51:29
  Here's your proof. There we go.
• 51:32
  If you're out on the route and they didn't see what you took
• 51:34
  when you went in, carry your discretion.
• 51:38
  Here's my argument. I you want proof, show me in
• 51:45
  writing in the rural information where it says what an unscanned
• 51:51
  parcel is. There is no definition as it
• 51:55
  stands because our contract, the latest contract, deleted the
• 52:00
  mail count section of the PO6O3. And as I stated earlier, the
• 52:05
  contract supersedes any and all manuals that the post office
• 52:09
  has. So if they try to bring the
• 52:11
  measurements back to you, as discussed at last year's state
• 52:16
  convention with our Director of Labor Relations, Bridget Boziak,
• 52:20
  they're still in discussions on what an unscanned parcel is.
• 52:24
  Still is no answer on what an unscanned parcel is from our
• 52:27
  union or management, but I have come to the conclusion that if I
• 52:34
  have to handle it differently than a flat or a letter, meaning
• 52:38
  it doesn't fit in my case, it's an unscammed parcel because
• 52:45
  you're handling it differently so you're doing an extra step.
• 52:49
  You should be paid a different rate for touching that object
• 52:52
  and delivering it no matter where it is that you're
• 52:55
  delivering it to. I've delivered diplomas into a
• 52:58
  large farm box mailbox as an unscanned parcel.
• 53:02
  I've had U lines that were more than an inch and a half thick
• 53:08
  that one that was an that one. Management.
• 53:12
  Management argues that it's not a a an unscanned parcel.
• 53:15
  It's a flat. But if you read the postal the
• 53:19
  PO6O3, it's a one inch slot for flats.
• 53:22
  So being 1 1/2 inches, it does not fit in the one inch slot for
• 53:26
  a flat. Yeah.
• 53:29
  And I do know Upper Union will say you lines are flats, but
• 53:36
  that's why we'll just leave that as a carrier discretion.
• 53:40
  Exactly, and that's why you've got to tell them show you the
• 53:47
  definition of an unscanned parcel.
• 53:51
  There isn't one for rural, there's one for city, there's
• 53:55
  one for clerks, but there is not one for rural.
• 54:01
  On top of that, on top of that, if they're, if they're asking
• 54:04
  you to come and show them something, it's 8127 time.
• 54:10
  Or do it under start load either way. 8127 time gets them to stop
• 54:20
  quicker that. This is true.
• 54:23
  You're outside of my normal route duties.
• 54:26
  That would be 8127 time. OK, here's a good one.
• 54:32
  Process for overtime if needed to assist a down route.
• 54:37
  All right. If you are volunteering to
• 54:42
  assist on a route that's down, the correct way of handling this
• 54:47
  is to run your route in its entirety.
• 54:50
  First hit your return to DEU duties, finish up your end of
• 54:57
  shift. And then when you go and then
• 54:59
  just hit PM casing and then change over to the other route
• 55:04
  in your scanner, which is option 6.
• 55:08
  And then you would, when you go to load that portion of the
• 55:12
  route, you're going to hit start load and your end load and then
• 55:18
  go run the route and track of your time from the moment you
• 55:22
  started over to that route. So that moment you hit PM
• 55:25
  casing, that's your start time on that other route.
• 55:29
  And then when you get back and you finish all the duties that
• 55:34
  you were doing with that other route, you change your scanner
• 55:36
  back over to your route and hit clock out.
• 55:40
  That is supposed to be the proper way of doing it.
• 55:44
  If it's a portion of a route that butts up to your route and
• 55:48
  you know you could easily take it while you're out on the
• 55:52
  street. My suggestion from experience
• 55:55
  would then be to flip over when you get load your route or any
• 56:02
  time you're loading the other route.
• 56:05
  Flip your scanner over to the other route, hit the start load
• 56:08
  and load, then back over to your route.
• 56:12
  And then when you go to off your route and into the other route,
• 56:16
  you would then just hit the change this route over again.
• 56:21
  Watch your time, keep track of your time for the moment you
• 56:24
  left your route to the moment you come back to your route and
• 56:26
  that will be your time for that other route.
• 56:30
  And then of course, when you get back to your route, flip your
• 56:31
  scanner back over again and then that you know you're going to
• 56:35
  watch. I know in my office they prefer
• 56:38
  if I work an hour and a half on another route.
• 56:40
  They just prefer me to write the 90 minutes route 2 or something
• 56:44
  on the end. It's easier for them when they
• 56:46
  go and put it in the dropout rather than trying to, OK, you
• 56:49
  started at that time, you started at that time, you did
• 56:51
  this, you did that. You know, just keep track of
• 56:54
  those times that you were doing the work for the other route.
• 56:58
  And when they put it in the system, it'll actually deduct it
• 57:01
  off for your complete time from your clock into your clock out
• 57:04
  on your your route. The only thing I would add to
• 57:12
  that is, and this is just my opinion, it should be what we
• 57:17
  do. But it's my opinion is if you do
• 57:21
  the first one where you come back, do your end of shift PM
• 57:24
  casing and you go deliver the route, when you come back to the
• 57:28
  office, you should hit start load and then hit end load when
• 57:32
  you're done with the route. So you give that route the end
• 57:35
  of shift time of you putting the stuff away from that route.
• 57:40
  That's my opinion. It is not what is written in the
• 57:42
  books, but that would be my opinion just to help the
• 57:45
  evaluation of that route out. All right, James, you got to do
• 57:48
  the talking. I got to take a phone call real
• 57:50
  quick. So going back to our previous
• 57:58
  discussions, one of our listeners said we have GPS on
• 58:02
  the scanner tell them to go get it.
• 58:04
  We don't get paid to document that.
• 58:05
  Speaking of the unscanned parcels, that's another great
• 58:09
  argument you can make with management.
• 58:11
  You know where we did it, Go look and see what it is.
• 58:15
  I don't remember what it was. I delivered it and I forget what
• 58:18
  I delivered when I get two boxes down the road from it.
• 58:21
  Great way, great argument to have.
• 58:24
  Sherry says if they throw it in my in my cart instead of doing
• 58:28
  their jobs, it's an unscanned. Otherwise I don't get credit for
• 58:31
  it. There is a step four out there
• 58:33
  that if it is in your cart, it is an unscanned parcel.
• 58:38
  Doesn't matter if it's a flat, doesn't matter if it's a letter
• 58:42
  as if it's in your cart, it is a parcel.
• 58:45
  And that was actually back during the old mail counts.
• 58:48
  But it is a step four. It is still valid.
• 58:51
  It doesn't say anything about mail counts in the actual text
• 58:54
  of it. It just says anything in the
• 58:55
  card is considered an unscanned parcel.
• 58:57
  So you can still use that Step 4 for anything that's in that
• 59:00
  parcel. I guarantee you if you use that
• 59:02
  Step 4, management's gonna try and pull every unscanable parcel
• 59:06
  they think is a flat out of your cart to stop you from getting
• 59:10
  that unscanned parcel credit. But then again, that's
• 59:13
  benchmarking. Using the the unscanned parcel
• 59:17
  numbers to harass carriers is benchmarking.
• 59:22
  I'm back. So welcome back, yeah.
• 59:26
  No, there was a little incident with my car in the parking lot
• 59:29
  where my daughter parked it for work.
• 59:31
  So nothing major. Yeah, yeah, nothing major.
• 59:35
  They just, they kind of, I don't know if somebody backed into it
• 59:40
  or hit or something. It's just kind of like a little
• 59:42
  scratch below the tail light. But they were bringing the, the
• 59:45
  guy was bringing over the insurance info and the bar next
• 59:49
  door in the back parking lot there, they have the camera
• 59:52
  footage too. So nothing major if I ain't
• 59:55
  worried about it might just be something I probably barely
• 59:58
  notice. I don't know.
• 1:00:01
  Wow, not just that, but also in the chat.
• 1:00:12
  Wow, yeah. If a carrier is getting harassed
• 1:00:16
  about it every week, like I said about the stationary events at
• 1:00:20
  the beginning of this episode, that carrier needs to turn
• 1:00:24
  around and say, you've asked me about this multiple times, You
• 1:00:28
  asked me again, I'm going to need an 8191 grievance form
• 1:00:33
  because this is turning into harassment.
• 1:00:36
  Yeah, I would definitely be harassment if they're doing that
• 1:00:38
  every week. Yeah, obviously there's a
• 1:00:41
  pattern. So why is it now becoming an
• 1:00:44
  issue? It's not.
• 1:00:46
  It's no longer benchmarking because it's a constant,
• 1:00:49
  constant pattern. So obviously it shouldn't be
• 1:00:51
  showing up as a benchmarking marker on the on the scanner
• 1:00:55
  stuff, but. That's crazy.
• 1:01:03
  So she's doing it for each sack and they're complaining about it
• 1:01:10
  versus all the parcels that she's actually delivering.
• 1:01:16
  Wow. Yeah, I mean, I I'd be
• 1:01:18
  threatening the same thing. If they were getting mad about
• 1:01:20
  the sacks. I'd be like, well, then I'll
• 1:01:22
  just claim every individual package in there and bite me.
• 1:01:25
  At least she's just, you know, doing it the proper way of
• 1:01:28
  counting the sacks. So.
• 1:01:30
  Yeah, she's not opening the sacks and giving them the
• 1:01:34
  parcels. She's giving them the the sacks.
• 1:01:36
  So I would ask management, if they're not an unscanned parcel,
• 1:01:39
  I want to see you case it. I want to see you case this sack
• 1:01:43
  into my case. Get it to fit.
• 1:01:49
  Yeah, wow. I management just never ceases
• 1:01:53
  to amaze me at times of their levels of ignorance and
• 1:01:57
  stupidity at times. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:05
  The route dropped from a 48 2K to a 42 J Ouch.
• 1:02:10
  Ow, that makes me hurt. And I was a 42K, so yeah, I
• 1:02:19
  mean, that's oh, man. And I mean, I'm guessing that
• 1:02:23
  if, if she really wanted to, she could, I guess the question
• 1:02:27
  would be, are those USPS bags that she's delivering?
• 1:02:31
  And if that's the case, she probably should be taking those
• 1:02:34
  parcels out of that bag and delivering them individually
• 1:02:37
  when she gets to the jail and counting them each one as an
• 1:02:42
  unscanned parcel if it's a USPS bag, and bringing the bag back
• 1:02:48
  when she comes back from the route and putting them in the
• 1:02:50
  proper receptacle on into shift duties.
• 1:02:56
  I don't know. There's a lot of underlying
• 1:02:57
  variances that we obviously don't know from not being in
• 1:03:00
  that office. So.
• 1:03:02
  Exactly. Yeah, I know.
• 1:03:09
  My old office, they had AT shirt printing company that you know,
• 1:03:15
  would get bags or returns and pick up.
• 1:03:18
  Well, I didn't, the pick up was part of a city collection route
• 1:03:22
  or part of the city route collection wise to pick stuff up
• 1:03:25
  there. But once in a while I would have
• 1:03:27
  to run and get collections and everything was already in the
• 1:03:30
  bags. I didn't have to, you know,
• 1:03:32
  touch any of it. So yeah, it should count as, you
• 1:03:36
  know, each bag if you're not having to do anything else with
• 1:03:39
  the packages inside the bag. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we rotated
• 1:03:44
  bags too. I did the same thing at one of
• 1:03:46
  the other companies or home based business that sold the
• 1:03:50
  lot. We'd go and pick up the bags and
• 1:03:52
  we'd leave bags there or they could stop by and pick them up
• 1:03:56
  and yeah, rotate them out. But yeah, they should be.
• 1:03:59
  Each sack should be counted as an unscannable parcel at that
• 1:04:01
  point, because that's how you're.
• 1:04:04
  And. Then if you have additional
• 1:04:06
  trips, that's additional trips to the door.
• 1:04:09
  Yeah, door miscellaneous in in in some instances.
• 1:04:14
  No, that would be a dish. That would be trip to door.
• 1:04:16
  In the pickups. In the pickups, yeah,
• 1:04:20
  Authorized. It's an authorized dismount.
• 1:04:22
  So yeah, it would be authorized discounts.
• 1:04:24
  Yeah, that's correct. You got anything else in your
• 1:04:31
  notes, Kristen? I don't.
• 1:04:34
  So if we want to wrap this up tonight, make it somewhat short
• 1:04:38
  and sweet. Yeah, I mean, we're what, at
• 1:04:40
  about an hour now? Yeah, we are all.
• 1:04:45
  Right, Yeah, I think we can wrap this up pretty much just
• 1:04:49
  remember everybody, management's gonna do what management does
• 1:04:53
  and it is our responsibility to hold management accountable to
• 1:04:57
  what they do. Whether it is telling us an
• 1:05:00
  instruction that goes flies in the face of the contract, or the
• 1:05:03
  PO6O3, the M38, or any other documents that we have, it's our
• 1:05:08
  responsibility to step up and let them know that it's
• 1:05:12
  incorrect. And if they are not willing to
• 1:05:14
  correct it, then we have to grieve it because it's your
• 1:05:21
  money. Fighting for your money is worth
• 1:05:25
  it. Even if it's just a penny, it's
• 1:05:28
  worth it because you're holding management accountable to a
• 1:05:32
  contract that was negotiated in good faith and should be adhered
• 1:05:37
  to. So same for stewards.
• 1:05:40
  They should be fighting for the craft and fighting for the
• 1:05:43
  carriers and getting the carriers renumerated and made
• 1:05:48
  whole. Because no matter what, at the
• 1:05:52
  end of the day, we're all in this together.
• 1:05:57
  Absolutely. Guys.
• 1:05:59
  Remember, especially with this heat coming up in most areas,
• 1:06:02
  stay safe, stay hydrated, stay cool.
• 1:06:05
  No, we are a first line of defense against management.
• 1:06:08
  You know, I get it, some people don't like standing up for
• 1:06:12
  themselves or don't they just want to write under management's
• 1:06:17
  radar. But you know, if you don't stand
• 1:06:21
  up from yourself, nobody else will do it for you.
• 1:06:24
  Just have to remember that not every office has people that are
• 1:06:28
  going to stand up for their entire office, that's for sure.
• 1:06:32
  So sometimes you just have to bite that bullet and and stand
• 1:06:36
  up for yourself. Definitely it does does help
• 1:06:42
  against management at times, definitely does.
• 1:06:44
  But all right, guys, you take everybody take care of this
• 1:06:48
  week. Stay safe, stay hydrated, try
• 1:06:50
  and stay as cool as possible, and we'll be back next week.
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