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Daisy Jones and the Six - by Taylor Jenkins Reid · Lose the Plot with Carla and Emily

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Hi friends, you'll listening to lose the pot with color and
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Emily. In this episode, we're reading
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Daisy Jones and the six by Taylor Jenkins, read.
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We are talking about the entire book, so warning there will be
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spoilers. I'm Carla.
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And that's the glory of being a man and ugly face.
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Isn't the end of you fact. I'm Emily and hard-ons, you
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rather not have should be a con on everyone's list, hard-ons.
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You shouldn't. Have you rather not have whose
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quote, is that? I feel like it's G.
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Oh, it's someone to Billy. Graham, the black sheep of the
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family. Before we get started my first
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impressions. Before we, before I started
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reading, this was I was lowkey scared to start because of the
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seven husbands of Evelyn Hugo. I was worried.
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He still traumatized from that because I was like, oh cool,
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Carla picks. Another depressing book is just
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staring at me is my thoughts. The entire book was Carl.
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Not allowed to pick any more books.
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I got cancels, you cancel cancel, my, I would personally,
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not finish this book. If I wasn't forced to write, I
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think I would have got three pages in and would have been
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like it is not for me. So I was just angry for three
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days. Yeah, it didn't invoke anger in
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me but I was worried. Let's just say that.
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It's so you should have been. I'm concerned.
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I'm not anymore because I finished it this morning.
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I feel like you nearly put me in a reading slump.
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That is so not my fault. It's just like powering through
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million books a year and you're just like reading slump reading,
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I refuse to do the podcast ever again.
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Damn. This is the book to break you?
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Yes, not bad. It was that bad.
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Wow, we have such a differing opinion already.
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I love it. Let's just duke it out.
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First, you please read different books, the grounds.
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Well, I didn't really, I don't know.
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I think I this came up a lot because people were talking
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Think about it because there's that new Amazon series.
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I bet you that's going to be a really great series, probably,
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but the book is shit. Well, I kind of like, when I saw
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the little tiny snippet, so I tried not to watch a lot because
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I didn't want to think about migrating want to give anything
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away. It kind of gave me like,
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Euphoria, but rock and roll lives.
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Yeah, like that like a young show.
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Ya show got young people, sure, young sexy people, young sexy
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people but rise 70s. Yeah, exactly.
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Getting high. Yeah just like That 70s.
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Show me having sex Rock Edition but Stephenie show how pretty
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much a yeah. Sorry, the thing I liked is
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because I listened to the audiobook version.
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I didn't mind that, it kept bouncing around, but I feel like
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if I was physically reading it, I'd be punching holes in the
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walls. So you would be angry.
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I would be because it bounced around.
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So because it had so many different perspectives.
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The audio book is really good because there was a difference.
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Voice. So you could just be like oh
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cool, it's not even perspective. So it's it's the long-winded
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interview. It's DJ a magazine clip from the
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70s. Yeah, that was three hundred and
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eighty pages. Long You not having it.
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I'm not having any fun, it has a great story but it has no story.
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But you know what? I'm pissed off about.
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When you hear about sex, drugs, rock and roll.
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I thought this was going to go in, like I thought this was
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going to have lots more gory details than it.
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Did it was very much a tell book and not a show book if that
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makes sense. Like, it was telling us what was
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happening and not showing if it showed what was happening like.
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Yeah, full detail of an actual book, you would have been so
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much better. Yeah, and it had the same kind
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of style as the seven husbands of Evelyn who go to is that how
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she writes all her books. Maybe because it have a say, I
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never want to read another one. I feel like there is the seven
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husbands. Did it better?
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I won't they it did do it better and I will never forget that
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book, which is really funny but this one, I'm literally, I'm
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sorry, because I know people really loved I see her really
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good reviews. I really did like it but it
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didn't take me as much on a rollercoaster as 700 had no
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plot. Yeah, this one's kind of like
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it's already happened so it doesn't matter because it was
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looking so much into the past. Yeah.
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So it was kind of like it wasn't as exciting because you're kind
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of like it's everything's already happened and you know
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that all these people are fine. Are they?
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Well, they were being interviewed, so they didn't die.
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So, at least it was fun. Dear.
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Well, it was, it was whole. She was, she was the only good
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character Justice for Camilla. I was only one getting me
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through. It was too good.
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I was like, come on girl. Yeah, true in a way.
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I'm Bayern don't be a martyr for Billy.
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Fuck Bill. He's not worth it.
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Billy's a dick fuck Billy Bob. Okay.
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So before we are Carried away. I figured days.
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He's kind of our main character, but we don't get that much
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perspective from her really. There's no main characters.
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It's mm7 main characters like the eight.
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Nine, ten. Yeah, but we do learn about
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Daisy, is her parents were neglectful as fuck, she's a,
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raging drug addict, she had no parental supervision.
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She literally moved out just with a friend of hers that she
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meant going out clubbing. Underage.
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Yeah, which was Simone, who was a few?
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Older than her. We stand.
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She eventually moved out and the parents didn't even know.
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No, they're just like, oh, blah, blah, talking to her one day.
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And she's like, I don't live here anymore.
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Dad my dad had a thing for painting.
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Male models, naked male models, and I just wanted to know more
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of that, like why was that your choice?
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We need more work right out of all, the things males are ugly.
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That penises are gross. Do you want to paint penises on
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it? Why are you asking me if I've
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ever implied that they could be worse ways to make a living?
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It seems like shoveling pig shit?
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I don't know. I'm not seems more fruitful.
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Dude, if you want to be in some sty shoveling shit, instead of
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painting penises, it's the same thing.
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Damn the righteous leaked into all other errands right now.
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Okay, so some Martin was great. She was the only person who gave
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a singular, fuck about Daisy, ever?
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Yeah, I think she's just a couple years older than she was
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a few years older, but Daisy didn't even like it was a weird
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one way friendship really to be fair.
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Daisy was wild and I don't know who she had any friends.
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Well, she kind of didn't she would be so stressful.
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I know. She's like one of those people
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that I could never be as sorry, if it sounds like she's young
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and free. And yes, it's how she wants on
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liar. Look L caught a foot on glass
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because she was on drugs. Yeah, she's not free.
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That's when she was an adult, love learning when she like a
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teenager. She was just bang.
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The thing is, she didn't really want to be with and sleep with
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rock styles. She just did because she got
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away with it. I wanted somewhere else to be,
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but home. Yeah, that's it.
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And I think she thought that's what she had to do.
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Yeah. Because she was like 15 14.
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She was literally like 14 when she started going out now.
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Yeah. Was weird because I sort of went
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into the kind of rock star sleeping with underage girls
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thing, but I'm sure it would be way worse than what they
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depicted in this book. It really weird that the girl
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playing DayZ is Elvis's granddaughter and his Priscilla
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is a Priscilla was like 12 when they started dating so
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essentially. Yeah, it's the same idea.
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Yeah. It was like a nice 20s or
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something. Well day.
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Being a twelve-year-old. I'm pretty sure they.
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Yeah, when they got married, she was 14.
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So she would have needed parental consent of the time.
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Yeah. So Tulsa, call this full circle,
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so I know it's, yeah, she was just interested in.
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Oh, what's this? Drugs and alcohol, shit.
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You know, Frankie, what's it, literally, and that's what makes
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me really sad because it was her only personality tree, I know
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opposite. Yeah.
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Just popping pills, one sugar. At once go down.
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She was apparently, just gorgeous.
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Of course. I don't know how.
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I know, I sweating all the time. Yeah, she was lucky.
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She had no boobs, no, but she does all hair and always wearing
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White Tank's. All dripping in sweat.
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Yeah, just dry under just strung the fuck out at all times.
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I just wish he not like twitching the time.
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Yeah. So I don't even know like she
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started her drug use when she was a teenager.
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I Since you would just take pills, she didn't care what they
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were or how would she survived? The only thing I can think of is
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if this was nowadays with all the synthetic drugs, she would
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have been overdosed a hundred times over.
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I don't even know how she didn't do that already.
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I know but the alcohol in her system.
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Yeah sparked that she kind of just choose like a stubborn
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bratty girl she wanted to do whatever she wanted and she did
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love writing her music. That was kind of her other only
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personality trait. Yeah.
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But you don't hear about it. Yeah.
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Yeah, the thing is she just wanted to like she wanted a
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record deal to fall in her lap and for her to be able to do all
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of her independence songs just off the bat.
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Yeah, while still kind of being a nobody and I think it was when
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Teddy picked her up as her manager.
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And he was just like, you can't fucking do that.
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No. He's like, just roll with his
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first album and then what she never finished a song.
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Yeah, that was her problem. Yeah.
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She never finished a single one. Yep.
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And she just thought they're good enough.
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I want to be able to do my songs.
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Yeah. Like they're not polished.
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You've got to eat a bit of Humble Pie and like understand
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that bitch. You're dumb, you don't?
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Yeah, he gave her big dose of reality and she was like, okay
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and then so she recorded her first album.
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So she was kind of getting a name.
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As a socialite though before she got that first album off the
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ground, just because she was sleeping with rock stars,
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everyone knew who she was? Yeah, she does that photo taken
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and dogs out all the time. What's dogs, why did I think you
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mentioned? Sorry.
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She She would have the grossest fucking feet and tell me.
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They would be so dry and crackly.
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She born, no shoes anywhere, just tone, a lie, those feet of
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never seen soap. Hmm.
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And she's like, he's walking around.
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On sticky, gross, floors. Floors back, rooms Hotel.
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Dodgy hotel room was I don't know.
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Threw me for a loop Emily: With daisies dirty feet.
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You know they were black on the bottom.
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Yeah, that's true. She's just a happy baby Emily.
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She just does what she was. She was definitely not the tree.
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Hugger type free guy at all. She was some take pills all day
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and have coffee for breakfast and that was it.
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It wasn't even coffee was coffee and champagne.
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That sounds so fucking disgusting.
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It's very cigarettes and grapefruit.
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Isn't it or cheese block of cheese?
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Yeah, but At least champagne in the coffee and then washing down
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your pills with it before you've even open your eyes properly is
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just like how she did not die from the lack of nutrition and
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variably. I know her body would be in some
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kind of starvation mode. Just shitting out the pills.
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Like look at David's. Come here.
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She's like, did I put that up? I just came out.
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She wouldn't know. No, she didn't.
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So that's her upbringing wild. Her parents were apparently
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famous. So know what He's just like a
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little kid from The Wild Thornberrys.
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No, that's not. It is.
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If that's why she can climb installment climb a tree.
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She didn't have the literacy skills to finish the focus that
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again, politics book with an illiterate child.
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It's very important for you. I've had enough Three Degrees of
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Separation with every book. I choose an illiterate children.
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It's funny because you always have a go at me for why people
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like, you literally pee, The same thing in a different fun
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every time I don't even mean to and then we getting so different
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and then you get mad, there's like, no smut stains because
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that's the only thing that gets you through it.
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And it's, you know, why are people saying books like this is
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spicy when they're not. I blame everyone on big dog.
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You should because a spice Factor on Tick-Tock is not real.
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Well, they'll be like five out of five spice and K2 black Tell
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me, like, five out of five spicy.
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It's just the Bible. You don't get the dictionary.
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You need a pick the ones where they put the actual light
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chapter. Mmm, Yeah, screen page true.
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I've got to spoil myself a little so that I'm only at least
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getting what I want out of it. Although to be fair, the Bible's
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more spicy than this, there's lots of, there's a lot going on.
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There's a lot more sex going on in the Bible than this.
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There's a lot more drama. It wasn't about what I thought
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it was going to be about. I thought it was going to be
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like Wolf of Wall Street, 70s, rock and roll's, you shouldn't.
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I don't really know why I thought that.
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All right I think it's because when you look it up on Tick-Tock
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which is all good reads. You have all these people
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hopping up and they're like it's the best book ever but no one
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tells you it's interview font. Yeah.
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And that's all it is. Is them saying it's all
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repetitive way through. Mmm.
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Yep. There's nothing.
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Well. Surprised.
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It was actually a lot shorter than other books on audio book
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and I was like, okay that's fine.
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I won't like a quicker, read, I suppose.
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But when things weren't happening enough, I was like,
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least you can speed it up in audio.
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That's yeah, well, it kind of plateaued at a point where I
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thought this book is very skimmable.
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You can skim a lot and ideal grass but the entire plot I
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there's a lot of pages I did not read, it was a bit like on
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autopilot and when you have a book about rock and roll in the
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Nice. You kind of expect it to be
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dirty and crunchier spicier. Yeah, where was the real drama?
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And even the drama I didn't have drama.
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Hmm, I think it would make a very good TV show.
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Yeah. It's because it's like a basic
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plotline. Hmm.
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And you can fill in all the blanks someone else can fill in
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all the blanks. Yeah.
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And you need to see more of it I guess while days he's growing up
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and being a teenager Billy. And his brother Graham.
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They have their own like 2% and yeah and it's just them to and
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it's called the Dunn Brothers and they just play local gigs at
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weddings and stuff like that one wedding.
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They're at, they casually, see their own dad, who abandoned
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fuck his daddy with a young girl, you're dancing with some
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young girl at a wedding. Was it his child or was it his
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date? I think they implied, it was his
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date it off like he's still out philandering around and they're
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just like and be Ali 40 year olds and 12 year olds, don't
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mix. Well, they shouldn't unless
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that's your parent, dad and his daughter and you're like I will
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always think the was my house event.
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So my sensible child is like it's my day and was basically
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Like, I can't believe he doesn't even recognize his own kids, but
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Billy hasn't seen me since you guys were in nappies.
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What do you think you go to years old?
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Yeah. What do you staked, your just
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two random guys to him. Yeah, he's living his back.
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Hey life, he's not going. Oh, I had kids last 19 years
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ago, has not passed, a thought about you in the toy.
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In two years, I'm amazed he's not paying child support.
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No, are you kidding? And then Billy sort of realized
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this is when I realized that people can be the worst or
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Buckner Mine lame. I mean, it wasn't when he
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skinned out and never seen you again and left for your mum to
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pay for everything. So yourself, it's now when he
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doesn't recognize you, he's got a complex of how been
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recognized, I know. So Billy meets this girl
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Camilla. And he likes a straightaway
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asks, her out and then pretty quickly.
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Their relationship becomes serious.
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Yeah. And they're not really a
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fully-fledged band yet, anyway, so that's totally fine.
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She thinks it's kind of cool that she's dating a guy in a
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band, whatever. They're Bend slowly gains
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momentum and then they turn into the six.
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Yeah, so they've got more band members.
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They've got more instruments, Billy still, the lead singer,
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and his brothers grown still there.
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Who grammed has to deal with so much.
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He's got a lot going on. He's like Billy Shadow sort of
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got the start, I see Billy is. So self-centered, it's insane.
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It's he reckons it's for him and only him.
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He thinks the band is his Action.
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Yep. He thinks he owns everybody and
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he keeps telling them what to do and micromanaging them, and it's
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so annoying. But him and Camilla they have a
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bit of like, a turbulent relationship because he starts
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doing little tours, and proper gigs out of town and stuff.
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And then, I don't know. Like, they just can't get it
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together. Basically, they find?
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Yeah, and one time, I'm pretty sure they broke it off a little
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bit, and he was like really missing her.
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And then they got the record contract.
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And he goes if I told you, I had a record Contract, would you be
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together or something? And then she's like, yes, yeah.
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And then she reveals that she's pregnant, and then he
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immediately has to get married to her.
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Yes. So they did it that day.
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They're from strung out and fucked up.
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And they just had some guy come over and get them married, and
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it was so funny. Yeah, at 3:00 in the morning.
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Yeah. Out of all the times.
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And then he, it's so funny because he's the one who
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initiated this to be. So rushed.
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Yeah. And then he was the one getting
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cold feet and was like, this is the worst decision I could.
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Ever make well, then don't do it.
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Idiot exactly right. And the only reason he got
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married to Camilla in that moment is because he just didn't
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want to be his dad. So it was all about his own ego
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again. Oh my God, it wasn't about like,
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oh cool, only to get married to this chick.
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He wasn't even good at it. That's what I mean.
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So they go on to us as the six and he's like immediately
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cheating on her and the the bit or the bit that pisses me off
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the first time he cheated, it seemed like he was genuinely, he
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didn't really know because Work, he was drugged fact obviously.
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Yeah, he woke up and this chick was just in his bed or whatever
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and he was actually remorseful. Yeah.
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So just don't do it again idiot? Yep.
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He only didn't even change. Well, he might not have a few.
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Who knows? If he even got it up here, they
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were both in the bath house and she was passed out on top.
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It could have just been that but instead he doubles down and she
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and just keeps changes carries him on the cheating.
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Like, you know what? I really don't like all day, all
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night. It's every day, bro.
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But like, I feel like if you cheated, that first time, when
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you felt that bad about it and you weren't even sure if he
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cheated because you were fucking unconscious at the time of yet,
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wouldn't you just not? Do it again?
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Yeah, just chill. He's like, you know what?
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I'm just going to give myself a date.
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I'm just gonna know. He didn't even do that.
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She did she gave him an ultimatum because and for that,
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she shit, oh, so yeah, he's going him there.
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Drinking doing drugs. And then he just fucks every
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groupie, right? And the thing is Camilla.
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Back home maybe sleeping the bus if he could he's out there just
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fucking exhaust pipes and shit. I think he was and so Camilla's
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like getting a bit antsy and she rocks up one day and some
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chickens giving him head just like whatever no big deal.
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Yeah it obviously happens all the time.
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She walks in on it tells the chick to walk doesn't tell but
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the chick just runs off. She reads the room.
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Someone else she's like, was this supposed to be at she's
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Like, I don't know. There's a pregnant chick in
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here, so she fucking runs off and then Camilla's just like
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you've got until the due date, get it together.
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She's one more patience than I have, and then she leaves.
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And then what is he doing? Again?
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He again just doubles down and goes.
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All right. I'll just keep cheating until
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bad date. She's like, just from changing.
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Yeah, fucking Jesus. Why does he have to put his dick
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in everything? Home, I guess like because
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they're onto us at this point, they're gaining popularity.
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So they groupies are just throwing the puss.
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Adam. Yeah.
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Doesn't that certain point where you can just be like, no,
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thanks. He loves her so much.
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Stop it. He just loves her so much.
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She is the most important thing in this world.
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So fuck someone else. What threw me through a little
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bit of what when we can I I know it's a bit head, but we can go
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back when the author is, in fact, their daughter.
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Yes. Oh my God, that made it's so
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gross later. I was like, so she's hearing all
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these stories about how disgusting, how we follow
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everything he seen. Yeah.
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Yeah. That was so casual about it.
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So, your cash, I think it's funny because he claimed to love
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Camilla's so much. He wasn't even willing to put
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one percent of effort, in know, with the drinking that The
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drugs. All the cheating.
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Here we are another book again with be single.
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When the women, give everything in the man who gives their very,
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that's the only thing I didn't like about Camilla.
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Yeah. Because it was all laid out for
22:54
her. Yeah, she knew.
22:56
Yeah, so their relationship pissed me off.
22:58
I feel like she had like come to terms with it like trauma.
23:02
Bonded to him a little, why not, trauma bonded.
23:05
But like, he doesn't even have that great of a personality.
23:09
That's what I mean, I'm kind of like Like I get that they liked
23:11
each other, but when they are always long distance, what is
23:14
like, what? Maybe that's what she liked.
23:16
Helping their relationship in long distance.
23:19
She's like, what? I know, a way to live your life
23:21
than all this free time, just nowhere near him.
23:24
But she really wanted to be a mom.
23:26
So maybe she's just doing a Khloe Kardashian and she wanted
23:29
the matching set. Yeah, children.
23:31
She deserved more. So because they were going on
23:35
band properly and he was just completely going downhill and
23:38
everything. He missed the birth of the baby.
23:40
Because he didn't clean himself up enough to be there.
23:44
Yeah, he just was writing himself off every night.
23:46
He decided he didn't want to go in there, and then she had to
23:50
give him another, another ultimatum of being like, you're
23:53
either going to rehab or the relationships over.
23:56
And I'm moving with my mom to like whoopty, woo!
23:58
She treated him like a child because she actually said, you
24:01
have two options and then was it, Teddy or Rod or something?
24:05
Was like, she only gave you these two options.
24:07
You didn't give you another one. Yeah.
24:09
Like you can't even leave the relationship.
24:10
Tripura not if you don't get to pick this is it literally
24:14
because she didn't she wouldn't let him leave either.
24:17
So that was interesting as well. It's like he kind of was forced
24:22
to just go along with the fact that they're never breaking off.
24:25
But I don't think he ever thought about breaking up
24:28
either. Yeah, because it was easy, she
24:30
was providing him everything on the outside that he could that
24:33
any like he could go guy, could want have a normal life and then
24:37
just do whatever on the road. Yeah.
24:40
What I think it's dumb is just fucking organized.
24:42
Have an open relationship. Yeah, they eluded to it later
24:46
and this pissed me off so fucking much.
24:49
So later on he's explaining their relationship and goes, we
24:53
just never had to talk about it, we just had an understanding.
24:56
I'm like, I'm pretty sure Camilla didn't have an
24:58
understanding and goes, she went on a for our dinner date with a
25:02
guy that she dated in high school and I never ask too many
25:06
questions about it and therefore, that means that she
25:09
has her own personal Has come on bullshit.
25:12
You know what she did? She probably sat in a hotel room
25:15
in quiet because she doesn't have three kids on her.
25:18
Yeah. And her husband is not off
25:20
fucking on tour, she's by herself.
25:23
She probably had a number of sub four fucking hours.
25:25
Just relax, she probably met up with this guy and realize why
25:29
she hates dating and then went back to her own private hotel
25:32
room. You really think she banged this
25:34
random guy from Highschool walk, she did whatever.
25:37
But do you really think She Bangs this guy?
25:40
In. She was that convinced that
25:43
Billy was the one for her. I do not know.
25:45
I don't think she would have slept with someone else but he
25:48
pretended like okay. It was a cop-out him going ham
25:52
on groupies all tours all the time.
25:55
Yeah. He thought that was the same as
25:57
her having one dinner with one guy.
25:59
And he, that's why I told him about.
26:01
He didn't tell her about the groupies all the time.
26:03
Yeah, yeah. So I know fucking build his
26:07
never-ending, weird thing, he had Daisy.
26:10
I feel like it was just an excuse, so he could have that.
26:13
Yeah, so constantly alluded in this book that he was sleeping
26:17
with Daisy. I know it was very confused, but
26:20
then they never slept together. Yeah, it was weird.
26:24
So, Billy was getting worse and worse and worse, I didn't even
26:27
know you could snort heroin fuck, I don't even do drugs,
26:32
drugs. Don't know how to take them.
26:34
Don't know her darn. I don't know, the only drug use
26:39
of I've ever seen is Shameless where they put it between like
26:42
their toes and shit like that. Yeah, that's my knowledge.
26:45
Yeah. So when he was like snorting
26:47
heroin was like, you can do that.
26:49
We learn things every day. I know.
26:51
I'm like, this is what I came to this book haul and then I guess
26:54
because he had no choice, he then did go to rehab and then he
26:57
kept telling himself, I'm just going to be this good husband
26:59
and good this. And that and he always had to
27:02
cling to that like, oh, I've just got to keep it together so
27:05
I'm this good guys. Like, shut up Billy.
27:08
We know what you are. You're a piece of shit.
27:10
It just be just be the right ear piece of shit.
27:13
That you all think that you can erase a whole year of each
27:19
eating like multiple times a day with a 60 day trip to rehab.
27:27
Thank fuck. You actually has Camilla though.
27:30
She could be with any guy. She's like hot as fuck.
27:32
She's probably too good to in be with him in the first place.
27:35
He knows that deep down. Yeah, so when he's out plowing
27:38
through the entire world of groupies and let's be honest
27:41
groupies are that low line? Oh they're sweaty, they're
27:46
gross. Yeah, there's it really worth
27:49
now. The risk of getting someone else
27:51
pregnant too, they could even help for your child support to.
27:54
He probably did. Yeah, I'm surprised.
27:57
They should have had like a groupie Scandal web, one of them
27:59
tried to claim like, you know, as he gets more famous, it's got
28:03
money jerk. And he was like using condoms.
28:06
No. Because he was true, it was
28:08
fucked up all the time. Yeah.
28:09
Yeah. I don't think so.
28:10
He could have a million babies out there.
28:12
I'm surprised he sperm even works.
28:14
Maybe it didn't. That's why he didn't have any
28:16
babies. Yeah.
28:17
The awkward part. So Karen who's the keyboard
28:20
player? Billy put her in such an awkward
28:22
position because she's friends with Camilla.
28:24
Yeah, she knew that he's cheating all over the place.
28:27
Yeah and then she Lo he couldn't tell us straight up and confirm
28:31
it so she was glad when she walked in.
28:35
Yeah, in a normal situation I would tell you if I thought
28:39
someone was cheating on you but you better fucking hope so yeah.
28:42
Yeah. In a situation where it's it's
28:45
your band made this kind of imagine how pissed he would be
28:50
to. Yeah.
28:52
And you don't like she doesn't show their relationship that
28:55
well at that stage. Like, I don't think her and
28:57
Camilla were best buddies know like, well later.
29:00
But I mean, Billy Billy, Billy. They should be like Billy hate,
29:06
just I hate, the Glee Club. Yeah, Billy socks.
29:10
Apparently, he had so much Charisma on the stage but his
29:14
real personality was awful. Like he's a good singer, he's
29:18
good. Like a good rock star but he's
29:19
just not convincing me. This is just what the book was
29:23
telling me. I wasn't even convinced.
29:25
I was like But I don't know. I think just break up with her
29:29
fucking dumbass dummies. Everyone was so angry with him
29:35
all the time too. Yeah.
29:36
Because he's a control freak. He tried to take over every
29:40
decision of the band. Hmm.
29:42
So I kind of get it. But you know, what's funny?
29:44
Because the whole Billy and Daisy Feud was long term.
29:49
Yeah. But fucking Eddie was more angry
29:51
at him all the time. I know where was where's and
29:54
he's Justice. Where's the Rolling Stone?
29:56
Article about how much Eddie fucking hates billion which is
29:59
hated him from day one, but was the best and Eddie was only
30:04
brought on so that he could do more guitar work.
30:07
So Billy could focus on the lyrics and everything but Billy
30:11
still fucking over. Does everything micromanaging
30:13
everyone. Yeah.
30:15
So Eddie from day dot was like fuck, this guy, she's here, he
30:19
hates great, it was refreshing from everyone being off.
30:23
He's asshole. It's so cool. 7 I know.
30:25
So by this time I'm Daisy was still writing her own music and
30:29
her debut album was good. It was getting good reviews.
30:33
So she was getting a kind of name out there and then because
30:36
they have the same manager, he suggested Daisy on one track
30:40
that Billy wrote and it was freaking song about Camilla.
30:43
Of course, all of his songs are about Camila, he's got to make
30:46
up. He's got a lot of work to do so,
30:50
there's a song honeycomb. Yeah, and it's about Camilla,
30:53
and them and their future and they're going to live out
30:55
amongst the honeycomb or Something like that.
30:57
So it was like a nice romantic. Yeah.
31:00
So Daisy comes onto it and she's in the recording booth and then
31:04
she changed his lyrics which is like, oh, the number one thing
31:07
you don't want to do to Billy. Yeah.
31:08
And she made it more insecure and she was questioning him if
31:12
she can like trust him kind of thing.
31:14
No I only think he was mad about that because that's how Camille
31:18
yeah should feel. Yeah.
31:20
And he was mad about it because it wasn't conforming to what he
31:23
wanted. Yeah it's not perfect little
31:26
bubble here. He's in perfect little wifey.
31:28
Holding it all down and not giving a fuck.
31:30
Yeah, so he was all like he was raging about it but it came out
31:34
better. One thing about Billy has
31:36
eventually, he would turn around to what was better for the song.
31:40
And I know, but it just took a long time to get that after
31:43
being a prick about it. So I know just be on your own in
31:46
your own bed idiot. He has no teamwork whatsoever.
31:50
No. But at least Teddy would try and
31:53
like rein him in yet at times. Yeah.
31:56
So that was good. So that song started getting
31:58
really popular but Billy was still being a dick about it
32:01
because they went on like a mini tour and he wasn't like inviting
32:04
Daisy on the tour but it's like she's on the main fucking single
32:07
idiot. She's on the only song anyone
32:10
wants to leave and then so they're just out doing a public
32:14
gig and she's there. Of course Barefoot.
32:16
Yeah. She's Loki stalking them because
32:18
she knew that they were going to be singing it which is fair
32:20
enough. Imagine not getting booked for
32:22
the song that you're singing on. Yeah.
32:24
That's just embarrassing. So the only reason In.
32:26
He asked her to come up and sing was because it would look bad if
32:29
he didn't. I know, it's got to be perfect
32:32
for everyone. I think that's why Eddie hated
32:34
him the most. Yeah, because he's such a
32:36
narcissist and he's just faking front of all the fans.
32:39
Yeah. So he invited his like orders.
32:41
Everyone to see, Daisy singing the song and it was like high
32:44
school. Eyes are rolling back in his
32:46
head. Then she runs on the stage
32:49
Barefoot, just like you doing a Willy's run and then they smash
32:56
out the song. It goes really well again and
32:59
then because Ted he's just like oh my God, we have to get this.
33:04
We have to get Daisy on. Yep.
33:06
The song like on the tour and everything.
33:08
Like when we do gigs and she still funded with the change
33:11
lyrics, she's like I'm sure Uncle Billy.
33:14
She was the only one to ever put him in his place properly and
33:16
people would follow behind like the band would follow behind.
33:19
Yeah, and I think just because she's so stubborn to the both
33:23
the same person the both narcissistic vortex Has that
33:27
would suck everyone else into their life problems depression.
33:31
But that's why this, so the same but that's why they also hate
33:33
each other. Mmm, so kind of makes sense.
33:36
Isn't it funny how they did that at one of those rolling stone
33:39
interviews? And they guy was talking about
33:42
how she just would take loose pills out of a bucket and I have
33:45
Michael lint on them. Yes, that's disgusting.
33:49
Good pills. Amazing happen and even in my
33:53
pocket absolutely, I don't even put my far in my Pocket.
33:57
I know. That's so disgusting.
33:59
An idea came up of Daisy. Actually, joining the band and
34:04
putting together an album because they were thinking,
34:07
maybe it would be good for the album, I guess.
34:09
Hmm. Billy hated that idea.
34:11
Obviously, of course, we gonna have to avoid know, and they
34:16
both kind of lead singers. Yeah, so that both might have to
34:20
be both singing. I think she had about two songs
34:24
on there where it was just her though.
34:26
That's because by Then he was being loving us that he is in
34:29
love with her. Yeah, pretty much.
34:31
So they organized a deal that she was gonna jump on the next
34:35
album. Yeah.
34:36
And they were all going to collaborate together for this
34:38
album but because Billy and Daisy are both songwriters.
34:42
They were going to have to work together alone a lot of the
34:44
time. Yes.
34:45
And the rest of the band would like to thank fuck days.
34:47
He's here to keep Billy busy. Keep it over.
34:49
We can work on our own shit. Yeah.
34:51
Like we can do our drums, we can do a guitar and we can do our
34:53
fucking keyboard shit without Billy jumping or A heart.
34:57
So that was so excited. Yeah, and they also like, yes
35:00
dip days. He's pissing him off so much
35:02
that he's not noticing the things that they want to bitch
35:04
about as much, so they loved it. Straight away, Billy rejected,
35:09
all her ideas, who was like, fuck these ideas, she had a
35:12
notebook and he was just like, yeah, I don't think we're gonna
35:14
use it, and, but he did it. She did the same.
35:16
She's like, Fuck Your Ideas. I don't want to think about your
35:19
girlfriend and literally, yeah, well his wife, yeah, he's like
35:24
it's supposed to be rock and roll.
35:26
All you want to do is sing about your wife and how sorry you are
35:29
that you cheated for a million years which is like true.
35:32
It's so funny because every now and then he'd be like it's not
35:36
rock and roll enough and it's like it's It's you.
35:38
You're the problem. I can Ed Sheeran over.
35:41
He's like, can we fuck off? It's not exactly like I can
35:46
Motley Crue. He's so pop star of the group.
35:49
If you'd if you're he's the Justin Timberlake is the group
35:53
hug like stop Billy. Well, to be fair, he kept trying
35:57
to say, yeah, but love songs are great way to disguise.
36:00
What you really want to talk about.
36:02
It's like okay, like what rock and roll everyone therapist, you
36:06
Bernard And was it Eddie that was always like we want to make
36:10
a fucking rock and roll albums just getting so pissed.
36:14
He's like I don't want to be a pop star and by this time I'm
36:17
pretty sure Camilla was either pregnant or had had twins.
36:20
So now, yeah, they've got three girls.
36:22
Yeah. So these are like little kids
36:25
toddlers that shows dragging everywhere and she would take
36:29
them onto your and shit like, dude.
36:31
Yeah, she is stronger than I, I wouldn't know.
36:34
I can't imagine. So it took so long for Billy to
36:38
even warm up to some about her ideas.
36:40
And one day, she wrote all over one of his songs.
36:43
Yeah. And he kind of liked it.
36:45
Yeah. He and then he was sort of
36:48
admitting that she was for whatever reason, a bit of a
36:50
musical, genius a little bit. If she though, I don't think she
36:55
is. She's like, I don't think either
36:58
of us know that they have the songs in the back.
37:01
Oh, I haven't read the songs in the back.
37:04
I was gonna watch some clips on Tube from the show, maybe to see
37:08
ya because they, when they describe all these songs, they
37:11
were like, oh my God, they're so lay it in there, so deep and
37:13
meaningful. And whenever I read her lyrics,
37:15
I was like, really yeah, I've got me up, he's I've got my
37:18
dealings of the Coolidge, my champagne English, it out, you
37:22
know, I don't know. He's not, you know, what's
37:28
really fucking stupid? Yeah, just realized the only
37:32
time he gained the tiniest iota of respect is because when they
37:35
were in the car, And they heard that song in the radio which was
37:38
from her ex you happen to be a rock star.
37:40
Yeah. And then she said that was my
37:42
dear and the only reason why he respected her a smidge with
37:46
because it was in a guy song that he respected already the
37:49
misogyny, the massage later everyone dose.
37:53
She could have been lying though, that's what I mean and
37:55
he was just like, okay I'll actually listen to your
37:58
brilliant, your words speaks from now on, I'm gonna listen to
38:02
the things coming at your word hole.
38:06
The funny thing is he thought she was hot but he also thought
38:09
she was a hot mess. Yeah, but he loved it, but he
38:12
resisted her because he knew that she was going to take him
38:15
down. You know, how there's certain
38:17
people in life where you're like, oh he had that element to
38:21
him as well. Yeah.
38:22
Like she had the external hotness, but he knew that like
38:26
dating someone like that would have been a complete like it's
38:30
Josh. Oh, yeah.
38:31
And he knew he couldn't hold it together for someone.
38:33
If he was dating someone like her, you're both going down.
38:36
Oh yeah, hundred percent. There's no way.
38:38
No. Like, you'd have to be at the
38:40
worst of your drug use and everything to even tolerate her
38:42
career. And her husband, it would not
38:44
might be much different. Literally, they were working on
38:47
the album. It was going good.
38:50
It's going great. And so, Karen and gray, and
38:53
start hooking up. Yeah, at some point, it might
38:55
have been a little bit before this but the thing is, she
38:58
didn't want to tell anyone and he didn't mind telling people,
39:01
but she was just like, I don't want to tell anyone.
39:03
Yeah, there's only so long you can do that girl.
39:07
I'm really offer. It's not horrible for him.
39:10
Yeah. Loki that's his own fault.
39:12
That is his own fault. I've got sympathy for her if she
39:19
liked it then she should have put a ring on it.
39:20
Yep. Snaps Graham.
39:22
We get with it. He doesn't know what he's doing.
39:25
He needs to go. Read some of those like books.
39:28
But if he had a single conversation with her, he would
39:30
know that I know. Yeah.
39:32
He did not Safeguard his heart. No, you just He's worried on his
39:39
idiot. It's like, tell me it's like,
39:42
you know, you're gonna get played, but you still do it
39:44
like, okay, come along great and Camilla one of the sensation of
39:49
being together, people and good wheel of a bland couple.
39:54
Well, he could have been the Step Daddy to his own niece
39:58
named would assign a difference nieces.
40:00
Yeah, yeah. Well, you don't know the
40:03
difference like, how come uncle is now Daddy?
40:06
Initially, I would have thought the faculty like similar to
40:10
that. It's fun.
40:11
Yeah, that would have been a bit of a scandal that would have
40:15
made it spicier like Graham truck and sweep in and take
40:18
Camille's. Do not exist in this book.
40:20
Oh, come on. They should have run him.
40:23
Something else. Something was missing.
40:25
It means everything. It was black sorry, just like I
40:28
hate it. Okay.
40:30
So the bit that was I didn't find believable was Daisy and
40:34
Billy slowly gaining Things simply testing more like shut
40:38
up. That was a proximity thing.
40:40
Yeah, and they must have just wanted to bone but every night
40:43
he was going home and with Camilla anyway.
40:46
Yeah it wasn't even long distance at that stage.
40:48
I had a house there were living together and because they were
40:51
recording, they could just go to this recording place and then
40:53
go, I can't think of anything gross than being with a hot mess
40:58
girl, every day. Yeah.
41:00
And fighting, I'm surprised. They didn't want to kill each
41:04
other. I know.
41:06
Around this time there was a reporter because the album is
41:09
coming together. So in a lie and it was nearly
41:11
release time and a reporter comes and interview.
41:14
Some again to get this big article going in the got a big
41:17
photo shoot and everything. Yeah and then Daisy was all
41:21
fucked up when she did the entire and then she gave away.
41:24
That Billy was all kinds of fucked her had to go to rehab
41:27
was a ho. Yeah, because she was in just a
41:30
pissy mood. That.
41:31
Yeah, because he rejected her, that's how he's really had a.
41:34
Why do I know He's finally doing this shit, he should I know her.
41:39
And then also Daisy, what do you expect?
41:42
Dumb bitch, dumb, bitch. She just wanted the ego trip
41:46
though. Yeah, she never really wanted to
41:48
date. Billy know why they probably
41:52
would have had sex one or two times and then never talk to
41:54
each other. What a totally fizzled out.
41:56
Yeah. Do you consider this story
41:58
enemies to lovers? No, because they weren't lovers
42:01
enough dickheads to dig in a straight line.
42:06
Straight lies because I'm both like they just were the exact
42:11
same person. That's so true.
42:13
So the interviewer came and he's like, okay, so he goes to Billy.
42:17
He's like so Daisy told me and out all your dirty laundry.
42:20
So you're going to have to give me something better to print
42:22
them that otherwise I'm going to have to just roll with that.
42:25
Yes, my edit is going to be pissed if I don't have something
42:28
juicy. Yeah.
42:28
Juicy for the story and then Bill he's like well how about
42:33
you print how much of a fucking bratty bitch days?
42:36
She is and how much I hate her every moment of every day Z and
42:39
then she's like shit that will do that will do.
42:41
He's like that's better and then they manipulated the photos to
42:46
look like they were and kind of like hating each other but not
42:50
and then everyone sort of speculated that they were
42:52
together and that's why they pretending to each other.
42:54
It was so wild. And the rest of the band was
42:56
like, for fuck's sake, we hate them all, can we get any
43:01
attention over here? The fucking photos that
43:03
practically cropped out of all the photos too?
43:06
How pissed would you be? They put in all the work.
43:09
Yeah, they're getting all of the credit but then they remixed
43:12
everything. Yeah, and remixed all of the
43:14
work that the band members did out.
43:16
Yeah. At that point I just be like,
43:17
bye, bye, Rage, Quit, get your own little house.
43:21
Band, doesn't play on stage with you anymore.
43:25
That the album release was good. Yeah, so that was super popular
43:29
and Daisy was getting more fans of her own because she was kind
43:32
of like the lead. Yeah, they ended up calling it.
43:35
Daisy jonesing. The six.
43:36
Yeah, which is hilarious because, you know, Billy would
43:39
have been up and I just sweating about other staring at the wall,
43:44
but claiming he wants to be just a normal Dad.
43:46
Yeah, yeah. Like a good husband, normal that
43:49
album's release. It's going well, and they can
43:51
finally have a break. So Daisy just fucks off to
43:54
Thailand because she was rejected by Billy her ego.
43:56
Can't take it. And she's like, I had to just
43:58
get as far away from him as possible, and she's fucked up
44:01
every day in Thailand, she gets get spoiled us.
44:04
But do you know how bad that would be?
44:05
If she got caught? She must have really been Rich.
44:08
Yeah. Because if you get caught over
44:09
that, you're going to judge you Giles, it's probably different.
44:13
If you're a movie star or a riser, don't think it's
44:16
different? No, I mean, you've got enough
44:18
Handler, someone will take the pills if you're caught there
44:21
with like the amount of drugs that she has.
44:23
I'm sure they'll be ways to pay people off.
44:25
Yeah, and so she meets this guy, this Italian Prince called
44:29
Nikki. Just at the pool, why?
44:31
I like at the hotel. Yeah.
44:32
What is this man doing? I do not.
44:36
Stay at him. He's an influencer before
44:38
influences. He was a prince with no money.
44:41
Like one of the band members said, as soon as they met him
44:43
there like, oh, he's a scammer. Yeah, so he's one of those guys
44:46
on 90 day. Fiancé, who's just looking for
44:48
some weighty and he's just like, yeah, I just I'm just an
44:52
adventurer that means he's unemployed.
44:54
Yes. And who knows how, even though
44:57
on the Run? He's totally that guy.
45:00
The tender swindler probably. It's just in the 70s version.
45:05
No, no. But he's hot enough so she's
45:07
like chatting to him. It's he horror she high but
45:11
that's the real question. He's noises probably falling off
45:15
but they ran a drug seems doing. There is bad as each other, but
45:19
they have a whirlwind romance and then they got married
45:23
straight away. I don't like them, it's very
45:25
Evelyn. Hugo of you.
45:26
Oh my God, I was like teleported to that book, but I stopped it.
45:30
All right. Okay.
45:32
And only later did Daisy realize that she was bankrolling.
45:35
Everything. Come on.
45:36
Yeah. How do you not realize that
45:37
until later like this man doctor should have a bank account?
45:40
She's higher the time, he the things like feeding it to where
45:44
he's a Yes Man. And that's what you don't want,
45:47
an apartment. No, I think he fishes giving her
45:49
so many drugs that she didn't realize that he was the scammer.
45:53
Yeah. Do you know how much of a big
45:54
school that is for him? He just goes to Thailand
45:57
randomly, y'all meet up with this person who's a rock star
46:00
and gets to go home and live the VIP rock star life.
46:03
Yeah, I'm not home but to her home doesn't have to pay for Any
46:06
of these drugs, food living so good?
46:09
Yeah, she was just like, I'm so glad someone understands me but
46:12
days is the type of person where she's just Ram like drug
46:15
rambling to you at 2 a.m. and then she thinks that you're
46:18
connected. Now, the only thing she wants
46:22
people to understand is her doing drugs.
46:24
So I know any thought in that was the understanding that they
46:28
have both doing drugs and no one would tell her off, she
46:31
steamrolls everyone anyway. So she just needs someone
46:34
compliant and off to put up with her.
46:35
Yeah. Ow and to rock up and still be
46:37
there in the morning. That's all that she needed at
46:40
that time. Yeah.
46:41
Only later did she realize like I probably want someone who
46:44
actually cares about my well-being as person to Tom.
46:49
So fun. It's almost like Simone has been
46:51
traveling around the country. Try to catch her.
46:54
That was so bad. I felt so bad.
46:56
I was like just leave her. She went all the way to Thailand
46:59
to meet up with her. They're the worst time in years.
47:01
Yeah, and then she was never fucking there.
47:04
I will see you later. Never talk to her again.
47:07
Know that was such a one-sided friendship.
47:09
By this time, Graham and Karen were having problems.
47:13
Yeah, it was just great and wanted a lot more and Karen just
47:17
wanted to live. My theory is she wanted to be a
47:20
woman? Obviously she didn't want to be
47:22
a man, but she wanted the man's Rock style Dal.
47:25
Yeah. Yeah.
47:26
And that's what she wanted. Yeah, that's it.
47:28
Which is fair because remember she was like she stopped wearing
47:32
dresses and that she will like turtlenecks and jeans.
47:35
Look as she did want to be sick. Realized.
47:36
Yeah. But she just wanted children
47:39
wanted to be a musician. That's all it was.
47:41
She was just one of the career she wanted and then she wanted
47:44
to retire and do fucking nothing.
47:46
Yeah, it's fair goals. That is goals.
47:49
And the funny thing is just because she was pregnant, Graham
47:52
thought that that was enough, that she should just quit
47:55
everything and become barefoot and pregnant and give up her
47:58
career. But she made some good points.
48:00
She was like why that if you want to?
48:01
Why don't you stay home? Yeah.
48:03
And he was like no he didn't even know.
48:05
That was an option. Not like nah.
48:08
And he goes, we can just replace you in the band and she was
48:10
like, I fucking worked to get this spot until he's always
48:13
fucking editing me out. Like, you imagined must be nice
48:17
to be the brother of Billy and not get edited out.
48:20
I'll do anything. Oh my God, and he took it so
48:23
personal when she said, she'd never wanted to be a mom, just
48:26
respected idiot. She's wanting us to do it
48:29
because he's acting as if she can just pop it out and then
48:32
just fuck off. Yeah, but he was always jealous
48:35
of what Billy had. With Camilla.
48:37
So that's the type of woman he wanted someone who's not going
48:39
to question him and someone who's just going to pop out the
48:41
babies and rock up to the Torah and Baba.
48:44
It's almost like he sure is got with Canola.
48:48
Yeah but Camilla's the type of girl who wasn't going to go for
48:51
the second runner-up in the band, she had to have the lead
48:55
singer for being kind of thing and she was super possessive
48:58
over him. No matter what it took she
49:01
didn't care if he was banging underage.
49:02
Groupies that's foul what a foul me.
49:06
And Karen and Graeme obviously kind of had to split up after
49:09
that because she had to get an abortion and he just was like I
49:12
thought we had more time dude you get an abortion you don't
49:16
know unlimited time. I've had like two week window my
49:18
friend so blase because he was like all people change their
49:22
mind about things all the time. Pretty sure she lived her entire
49:25
life knowing she didn't want to be a mom.
49:27
Yes. Q Zu G.
49:29
You can be changed your mind. I know honey, I don't know he
49:34
pissed me off. Yeah, his brother.
49:36
As with Billy. So what can you really expect?
49:38
Same Vibe, Billy's lucky that he had Camila.
49:41
Camila was good. She's good friend to cairn
49:43
terrier because she went in there and she didn't make her
49:45
feel bad or yeah. Yep.
49:48
Because even that was a little bit in there and Karen was like
49:51
oh I'm just trying to she's like I think I've just flip-flopping
49:55
so I everyone else doesn't feel bad and Camilla was like don't
49:59
do that. Yeah I don't feel bad.
50:02
Yeah. So at this point Billy's kind of
50:05
because he's Realizing he has feelings the daisy, which is
50:09
just such as part of this whole book.
50:11
I know I was, I was getting angry.
50:13
Yeah. And then he was just about to
50:15
have a drink. So he was grappling with his
50:18
sobriety and whose wigging out about that but also Graham was
50:22
in the worst of the worst because he just had this big
50:23
fall out with Karen and he needed someone to talk to about
50:26
this abortion and all this shit goes up to Billy for five
50:30
fucking minutes. Billy can't give him the time of
50:33
day, it's Billy's, well, and that's it.
50:36
I've never been more pistol, Billy.
50:37
And that's saying something because I like you fucking mind
50:40
you that you made everyone deal with your bullshit, four months
50:44
him all the time. He ended tours hourly.
50:47
Yeah. Fucking every people had to save
50:49
his life multiple times. Yeah.
50:51
And he can't give his brother five minutes of the day.
50:54
No. And even Graham was like, you
50:56
can't give me five minutes of time.
50:58
No, he doesn't Billy deserves nothing but so mad to be dumped
51:03
in the middle of the ocean. Yeah, and this was the starting
51:09
point for everyone. Hmm, everyone was done.
51:12
Yeah, but they had been on tour. Hey like they had started the
51:16
tool for the new album and everyone was liking.
51:19
Yeah, the door but they they gotten to a point where they'd
51:22
have this one particular show and all the wheels fell off
51:25
because Karen and Graham were breaking off and fighting.
51:28
Yeah, fucking Daisy was spiraling out of control because
51:31
she was so in love. I think she really just was
51:34
addicted to him. Yeah, because she seems like,
51:37
I'm just so in love, I've never been that in love with the
51:40
person that I'm like, ready to ruin his marriage.
51:43
No, there was just an ego trip. Yeah.
51:45
Because she divorced Nikki. Yeah.
51:49
So, her ego was all bruised. Again.
51:51
Yeah. And she thought the only way
51:52
she's going to fix it instead of trying win Billy.
51:55
Yeah. Actually, the one of the only
51:57
Parts I really liked of this book, was Camilla having a go at
52:01
Daisy? And she's like, she's like, if
52:04
anyone's not going to win it, You do students cheat and that's
52:08
like it were being stubborn too. But also she was like, it's not
52:11
going to be me. It's not going to be Billy.
52:13
It's going to be, that's not going to win.
52:14
And then that was it. Oh, that was iconic.
52:17
That was the best part. How was Camilla not part of the
52:20
band? But she was the most pivotal
52:22
character in the phone book because like she came out of the
52:25
ashes, I reckon, because I'm lost respect for Camilla.
52:28
But then at the end, I was like, yeah, like she fucking did, they
52:31
decided what she wanted? She was not going to let him
52:35
walk. Dave, take it away from
52:37
strung-out ass bitch. Take action.
52:40
You're having this conversation and days like twitchin sweating
52:45
blackfeet and she's like, you're not going to win against me like
52:50
look at me being a hot mum. Yeah that was so good.
52:54
Yeah, she's like I smell good all the time.
52:56
He's talked about it but it's just dumb that Billy was even
53:00
considering throwing his whole life away.
53:02
I don't want I don't even think he liked days.
53:05
See, I know they keep saying that.
53:06
I think he liked the idea the to him.
53:10
Daisy was the alcohol partying. Not was it?
53:13
It wasn't he loved Daisy and what she was the best person
53:16
ever. Yeah it was him copping out of
53:18
his wife and kids. His good-guy routine.
53:22
Yeah it's him. Yeah literally Breaking Free he
53:25
wasn't even that Lusty about her.
53:26
It was about the emotional cheating literally was and the
53:30
only time he ever thought about actually cheating with Daisy is
53:34
when he wanted. Yep.
53:36
He like tried to alcohol to a daisy.
53:39
Yeah. And then she came to him one
53:42
night in his hotel room but she wanted help going a rehab.
53:45
Yeah, she was like fucked up but she was kind of trying to hook
53:48
up with him too. So I was like, girl starts
53:51
really? The only reason she was there.
53:53
Yeah. He was having to go to rehab
53:54
because she did it. But the problem is he didn't, he
53:58
couldn't help her because then he was grieving because Teddy
54:01
died of a heart attack, I don't know.
54:02
Yeah, yeah. I knew that some fucking person
54:05
would die. Billy was all withdrawn and he
54:07
was freaking out about his sobriety basically.
54:10
And then he was like, well, I couldn't have helped easy anyway
54:12
because I was grieving and shit, but then Daisy was also like,
54:15
everyone must be there for me to shine.
54:19
Those just such bad timing and then this is when because
54:23
Camilla knew something was going on between Daisy and Billy.
54:26
Yeah, she had hints and she had like an intuition about it and
54:28
that's when she just came to her and was like, she just clocked
54:31
her, it was like mess around and find out that's literally what
54:35
she She was basically like even if you do cheat with him, I'm
54:41
still going to be here. Anyways, she said what yeah
54:43
she's like I'm gonna no matter what he's going to be at my
54:47
house and I'm still gonna have his kids.
54:49
I'm going to have the home and you're just going to be the
54:51
strung out bitch. Yeah.
54:52
You're just going to still lose. Yeah.
54:55
So it was so good. It was so good.
54:57
It's the only part I really liked and she wasn't even mad
55:01
about it. No.
55:02
She was just confident with that.
55:03
She's like you're still going to be the loser.
55:06
Yeah, Camilla doesn't lose. No, she doesn't love you.
55:09
And she doesn't need the fame. So days is kind of like, oh,
55:11
shit. Because technically days, he's
55:13
going to be more famous and powerful than her.
55:15
But Camille is the one being like, no, I'm going to have the
55:18
life that you pretend that you want to stand for me.
55:20
Yeah. Daisy's never going to move into
55:22
fucking Billy's mansion and have the kids and blah blah.
55:25
Blah de days. He could very like let's be
55:28
honest because she's a woman, she's very easily lose her
55:31
entire career. If there was an article that I
55:34
was like Daisy Jones Ruining my home wrecker to.
55:38
Yeah. Lauren her three kids.
55:39
Exactly. Yeah.
55:41
Like you would have been fucked. Yeah, there's no good end for
55:43
her and she basically did need to go to rehab or she's going to
55:47
die anyway. So Camilla was given you a good
55:49
advice. She was kind of, like, you need
55:51
to quit the band. Yeah, I fucking live.
55:53
She didn't give her a choice either.
55:54
No, no choices from her. She had that way of swooping
55:58
into people's lives and telling them exactly what to do.
56:00
Yeah. And she had no, she's like,
56:02
never apologetic. No, she like, this is what you
56:05
have to do. She did it to fucking Graham.
56:08
She did it to Karen. She did this to Daisy.
56:10
He obviously did it to Billy. She did it when they tried to
56:12
have fucking Burgers. One day.
56:14
Yeah. Imagine living a lie for you
56:16
force everyone. So you can have what you want.
56:20
That is brilliant. Just quietly steamrolling.
56:22
Yep. So she effectively ended the
56:25
band herself. No I think it was going to be
56:28
done anyway and if ya just ended up being Daisy and Billy.
56:32
Yes he is, it Pete. He Out, Eddie wouldn't have
56:38
stayed if his brother didn't stay, and then there was just
56:40
one, I don't even remember morons.
56:44
I don't even know what words doing and then you had Karen's.
56:47
I didn't want to be there because G it.
56:49
Yeah, it was totally done. It was already toast, I guess,
56:54
Daisy, come around and realize. I probably would be better going
56:56
to rehab some dying because Camilla gave her a bit of hope.
56:59
She's like bitch you're young, you can still fucking have kids.
57:02
It's not that hard and you can find this 7 billion people in
57:05
the world. She could have dated anybody
57:07
just? Not my husband, literally she's
57:10
so like Daisy could have dated anybody?
57:12
She's so in her own little. Yeah, she just cuz you know, her
57:17
and Billy just would have been on drugs all the time.
57:19
Yeah, ranking all the time. Yeah.
57:21
And would have both died. Yeah.
57:22
By 30. But that's why he never picked
57:24
her because he already knew how it was going to go.
57:27
So they all Branch off and do different things and we find out
57:30
that the reporter is in fact Julia, which is obviously
57:33
billion CD daughter. And I was like that added
57:35
nothing to the No, that isn't really a true standout.
57:39
But yes, baby grossed out too. I was like, cool.
57:42
That was on the side a little chapter that then is then.
57:45
And now it's the only chapter I want.
57:48
Hmm. And it was it was just them
57:51
being like Oh once like I do real estate now.
57:54
What was like I've got to turf company Karen's living her best
57:58
life. She was, she played for another
58:00
20 years and then she went and lived in the mountains.
58:03
Like that's all she wanted to do and he became I'm a Producer
58:06
instead which was a lot better. He's like I should have done
58:09
this ages ago. I shouldn't uh years ago and
58:12
then Daisy grew up in managed to adopt kids two boys.
58:16
You started Foundation or something.
58:18
Yeah. Billy became like a pop writer,
58:21
right? Yeah.
58:21
He would just write his worst nightmare.
58:23
My worst nightmare. So he has to just admit that
58:26
that's all he was. He was a pop right on.
58:28
Yeah, it's hoarsely. It's like he could have been
58:32
doing that from the beginning, if he but, but anyway, it's so
58:35
funny because Technically it was one album and 1/2, a really, but
58:40
them together. It was one album only together,
58:43
Aurora, that's it. Yes, it Daisy Jones.
58:46
And the six collectively, it was only that one album and they
58:49
couldn't even finish the fucking tour because of all the drama.
58:52
So that's how did like iconic. Yeah, it is went out and fucked
58:57
it all. Fucked it all made, everyone
59:00
know who they were and then just disappear.
59:02
Like, bye-bye Tree on our roll over.
59:06
Again, and then we find out the Camilla died.
59:08
Five years before this publication gets put together by
59:11
her daughter. She died from lupus at the age
59:14
of like, 63 or something if I can't and then Billy's all just
59:18
sad and stuff and then Camilla left a letter for Julia.
59:22
And the girls that said, give your dad Billy some time and
59:25
then give him daisies phone number.
59:27
So he can reconnect with her and make a song for Camila.
59:30
Do you think Daisy after all this time?
59:32
Once you add one more fucking, sorry about Camilla.
59:36
Three albums. Uh, imagine might do you think
59:41
she was giving them permission? Yes-huh giving him permission to
59:45
have like a life together? Yeah, she's like it days.
59:48
He's not going to be sexy anymore.
59:50
Nothing imagine being nagged from the grave, hmm.
59:55
To write another song about Camilla.
59:57
You can't say he's gonna be like a kidding me bitch.
1:00:00
I don't write songs anymore and she's sick of right, sides of
1:00:03
back Camila. But why would they, You want to
1:00:06
be with Billy? Now, I don't think they have
1:00:08
enough, it was only because the proximity that they would ya.
1:00:11
Even anything? He's angry rock stars that were
1:00:14
writing pop songs together. I'm kind of glad that they never
1:00:18
hooked up. Yeah.
1:00:20
But it was alluded to and it really annoyed me.
1:00:22
Ya know, because they allude to it and not tell us no, but they
1:00:26
would allude to it and then Billy at the end was like, oh,
1:00:29
we never hooked up. I stayed faithful to my but I'm
1:00:32
like, are you just saying this because it's your daughter.
1:00:35
Yeah. That's what I'm thinking.
1:00:37
I'm thinking they're clearly something happened.
1:00:40
Otherwise, I'm gonna blow something a bit more.
1:00:42
Yeah, of course. I'm just staring at each other
1:00:45
on stage. I know, there's no way that she
1:00:48
went off to fucking Thailand. No, for no reason.
1:00:51
Thailand is where you go. When you're having a fucking
1:00:53
life crisis like why would ya tenshi Revenge married?
1:00:58
Someone, come on, come on, something happened.
1:01:00
Something happened. More than a kiss or a hawk um,
1:01:03
almost kiss. What are they 12?
1:01:05
He just didn't want. Admit it because he's a family,
1:01:08
man. I decided then and there that I
1:01:10
would taking it to the Grave. Yeah, I think he just realized
1:01:13
he didn't want to pack in his family for her.
1:01:15
He's like, oh yep, not worth it. My family is actually better.
1:01:19
Could you imagine being the daughter?
1:01:23
Interviewing all these people. And there she was telling you
1:01:26
about the couple of times that he thought that Daisy was more
1:01:29
worth it. Then I know your mum, your mum
1:01:32
and you as a child exactly foul I think, because in the book,
1:01:38
they had bits where people lied, remember that manager who lied
1:01:41
and said he never had a personal relationship with Daisy and I
1:01:45
was sleeping together the halftime.
1:01:47
Yeah, so they're all lies in the book.
1:01:49
So I feel like Billy and Daisy, just didn't admit that anything.
1:01:53
I record it out because there's one bit where when he was
1:01:56
getting married. And he was like, she was wearing
1:01:58
a white white top and like jeans and then and being said she was
1:02:02
wearing like a yellow top and I'm like so you weren't Paying
1:02:06
attention to your own wife. Well, it was literally decades
1:02:10
before. Oh my God.
1:02:11
So I had a lot of alone time together and no story, but
1:02:18
that's alright. Pissed me off about the book.
1:02:20
Give us the juicy. Hey, Lucy.
1:02:21
It really was nice. Not a story.
1:02:24
Yeah, something happened. All that rehab night.
1:02:27
That she went to his hotel room at least because he was in his
1:02:30
underwear to at least something happened that night.
1:02:33
Come on. You can't tell me.
1:02:35
Otherwise, Don't know. I like this story.
1:02:38
It wasn't as much of a roller coaster.
1:02:39
Is it shouldn't mean you do that?
1:02:41
Like just give me more juice. I hated it.
1:02:44
Yeah, I know that's really bad because so many people love that
1:02:48
but I just never want to read another book like this again.
1:02:51
But the thing is, I think you could be really good book if it
1:02:54
was written like an actual story.
1:02:57
Yeah. You wanted to be there in the
1:02:58
present. Hey I want it.
1:03:00
Yeah I wanted to be a part of it.
1:03:02
I didn't want to read a conversation so it was the Matt
1:03:06
that you more mad about yes story but there was no story
1:03:09
there. It was just people being like Oh
1:03:11
yeah they were mad at each other.
1:03:14
Yeah, I was mad at her. I think you would have enjoyed
1:03:17
it more. If you had the audio book should
1:03:18
be honest. Nah I would have zoned out.
1:03:21
Hmm. It was good as the audiobook.
1:03:24
It was just more. It was like listening to a show.
1:03:27
Yeah. So at least it had like a
1:03:29
podcast maybe. Yeah.
1:03:30
It had more going for it because I know, if I had it on word, I
1:03:34
would be like, fuck this. Oh yeah.
1:03:36
It was a long struggle because I didn't think ever know when I
1:03:40
was ending because I downloaded a pdf version fucking idiots.
1:03:45
It's okay. So, not fun.
1:03:47
That's why I messaged you. I was like, how long do I have
1:03:48
left in your life? You're about a quarter.
1:03:50
Three quarters of the way in. Sorry, Arkin next book.
1:03:55
We've got a obviously pick something spicy because this was
1:03:58
lacking in the spice aisle with her.
1:04:00
I was looking for fucking sex, drugs and rock and roll and I
1:04:03
got zip you need to start researching.
1:04:07
It looks you can see that. The reason I do research is
1:04:09
because I don't want to give away too much but then just give
1:04:12
it away. It's fine.
1:04:13
I was hyping this up like so juicy and I was like where's the
1:04:17
juice know where it's likely? Dehydrated orange.
1:04:20
She's like a long conversation that Just have a ending.
1:04:25
So what are we going to write this out of days?
1:04:27
He's sweating. Her dirty-ass feet other five
1:04:35
days. He's mystery lint pills out of
1:04:38
five. Yeah so you can begin to see
1:04:42
right is 0 loud and negative 10 times 0 is 0.
1:04:49
No redeeming qualities. It just feels like a cop-out for
1:04:52
a book. It feels like she brought down
1:04:54
what she wanted to write about and then never flushed it out.
1:04:58
Yeah. I liked it but maybe I'm just a
1:05:00
basic bitch because I did like it.
1:05:04
I'm going to give it a 4 linty pills out of five.
1:05:07
You so confused. No sense to me as a person.
1:05:11
You make no fucking sense, I love games.
1:05:14
Are you allowed an opinion anymore?
1:05:19
Muddy spicy spook for you for your horny.
1:05:22
Decide which one all of them? Most of the time, they have
1:05:27
non-stop sex scenes and that's all you want.
1:05:30
And theyíre always wrote them so hard because yeah, you know,
1:05:37
why? Cause I always get caught up
1:05:40
with like, if because this book seemed more realistic, I'm the
1:05:44
queen of realism for thing, right?
1:05:47
Sire for the beautiful believable Moorings.
1:05:50
Yes, I'm like, if I can believe it happened, it's a 5 out of 5.
1:05:54
I can't even nice. Just eating crap I think is.
1:05:58
I know it's topics about though. I know it's garbage.
1:06:02
I prefer talking about that through this.
1:06:05
I don't understand. But why did I like it, though?
1:06:10
That's what I don't understand. I just think it's because I'm a
1:06:13
basic bit. It's because you don't actually
1:06:15
like books. I'm convinced I'm just gonna
1:06:17
have a pumpkin latte in my Uggs and leggings and this book I
1:06:22
don't even think it would drink a pumpkin laughing while It's
1:06:26
because I'm a scam. It's, I'm Daisy. 35 class
1:06:31
degrees right now. Where we aren't you going to
1:06:33
wear? Uh, yes.
1:06:34
I am drink. A lot of tea.
1:06:37
Yeah. A hot pumpkin.
1:06:38
You're so full of shit right now.
1:06:42
Did he afford to piss me that? I can't wait to go home bitch
1:06:56
about you. Okay so we've got to pick
1:07:00
something. I think I don't know what's
1:07:03
going on. Okay I'm gonna make you read
1:07:05
some fucking fucked-up shit. Yes please come on ready to have
1:07:10
fought because I found a book the other day and I'm like I
1:07:13
know I will hate this but I know it will be fast.
1:07:17
Is it haunting Adeline or some shit?
1:07:19
Because I keep seeing that on tiptoe.
1:07:21
I really wanted to read that. I remember that because
1:07:24
remember, I was trying Vince you yes.
1:07:26
But then it might be too dark. It might be a bit too much.
1:07:31
People say it's a four out of five spicy but then I assume
1:07:35
that's a one out of five. No I actually think that one's a
1:07:38
four out of five but it's a lot of stalking and a lot of.
1:07:43
So you pick what? You're going to pick anyway and
1:07:45
surprise me, I'm literally gonna say you do it immediately
1:07:49
because I feel a book. That's my favorite like to talk
1:08:03
about. Just a really fast one.
1:08:04
This is my favorite. I feel like wasn't that the one
1:08:07
with all the anal sex? No I think it was so swans.
1:08:12
Ah right did you like it that? Right, remember the moment I
1:08:16
wanted to share with you I didn't because I always read the
1:08:37
day before we do the podcast and I knew you would be finished and
1:08:41
I didn't want it to go to waste. Well it's too late for me to
1:08:44
return the audible. So At least want my money back.
1:08:48
It would be doing something very true.
1:08:51
I don't know if I take this pose commit, when we commit okay, no
1:08:54
vetoes it's fine. We'll just do the little razzies
1:08:57
thing at the end of the year and then, yeah.
1:08:59
What? Wherever the chips may fall?
1:09:02
Okay, so I if I pick the grossest, yes, to his think how
1:09:07
the alien porn, but, uh, you're thinking it is not them to what
1:09:13
it is in that range. Can we just not do fairies?
1:09:17
Like, is there a way to not night?
1:09:20
This is karma figuring out. All right.
1:09:24
But just remember this goes down as your pick, I know.
1:09:28
But I think it would be fucking funny.
1:09:29
That's yeah, it's not even funny.
1:09:31
Here's the thing, wants to roommates alien stuff.
1:09:34
Yes. Not because I enjoy it.
1:09:36
It's because I think it's fucking kind of an excuse.
1:09:41
I reckon as long as there's enough.
1:09:42
People who want to listen to a podcast about it, then I'm on
1:09:47
board. Okay, so anything else before we
1:09:49
wrap up this is all you baby. Yay we're having our own billion
1:09:55
Daisy moment but we just really distinguish yourself I love
1:10:00
that. I'm just I don't know how we got
1:10:02
here but it's okay because if we have the same opinion, would be,
1:10:05
it'd be a very boring podcast. Thanks for joining us on, lose
1:10:09
the pot with color and Emily. Don't forget to read us, five
1:10:11
stars and subscribe if you enjoyed slide into your DMs, on
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1:10:00
I love that. I'm just I don't know how we got
1:10:02
here but it's okay because if we have the same opinion, would be,
1:10:05
it'd be a very boring podcast. Thanks for joining us on, lose
1:10:09
the pot with color and Emily. Don't forget to read us, five
1:10:11
stars and subscribe if you enjoyed slide into your DMs, on
1:10:15
Tick-Tock or Instagram lose the podcast.