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S3 #1 Deep and Deeper · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with our radio What's Up Everybody? We are not stopping
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  Speaker 1: anytime soon. I'm Ben Ay and you're joining us on
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  Speaker 1: the almost famous podcast. It's our off season, but we
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  Speaker 1: don't stop. You're just gonna keep going, aren't you. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Bachelor Nation for our whole lives.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds like the best thing I could ever ever
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  Speaker 1: think of. Um, But honestly, at this point in my life,
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  Speaker 1: it does kind of seem what's gonna be happening, and
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna keep doing it. And there actually is a
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  Speaker 1: lot going on in Bachelor Nation still, even though there's
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  Speaker 1: no shows airing, um, and so we thought, why not
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  Speaker 1: catch our listeners up on all the kind of behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes drama. We're also going to talk about ashley
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  Speaker 1: Nights upcoming trip together. Oh my god, Oh no, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: you is We're just gonna make fun of a comment Danielle.
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  Speaker 1: Danielle l also does not know that eyes is not
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  Speaker 1: will never be a word. It'll never be a word. Okay, Well,
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  Speaker 1: nobody would have even said anything if if my producer
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  Speaker 1: did not call me out on this. It's one of
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  Speaker 1: our biggest pet Peeves and something I've learned this year
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  Speaker 1: and every time I'm about to say eyes, now I
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  Speaker 1: say my. And if you watch Sound a Bachelor, I
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  Speaker 1: guarantee you every episode someone says eyes and it makes
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  Speaker 1: me die inside every time. And you know, Bennett the producer,
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  Speaker 1: he said if he corrected everyone's grammar, they would never
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  Speaker 1: finish the show. I don't blame you, but we can
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  Speaker 1: keep having grammatical lessons on the show. But we got
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  Speaker 1: a lot to talk about a right, Actually, there is
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  Speaker 1: a tongue going on right now. It seems like the
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  Speaker 1: most talked about character in Bastination is Danielle l um
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  Speaker 1: catch the listeners up on exactly what's happening, and then
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  Speaker 1: I want to read um an Instagram post that he
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  Speaker 1: did just so our listeners can kind of hear and
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  Speaker 1: make a decision for themselves if this is normal, if
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  Speaker 1: it's crazy or whatever it is. So I actually go
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  Speaker 1: ahead with this, Okay. Well, apparently Danielle l had an
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  Speaker 1: interview with US Weekly magazine this this week, and she
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  Speaker 1: talked about I guess like the love triangle with Christina
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  Speaker 1: and Dean and how she feels like she was kind
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  Speaker 1: of like m less sympathetic, and I guess she feels
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  Speaker 1: like she should have been as much of a sympathetic character.
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  Speaker 1: Am I corrected that, Amy, That's about what I got
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  Speaker 1: from it. Okay, Well, what I learned about Danielle L
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  Speaker 1: this week was that she posted a really cringeworthy personally.
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  Speaker 1: I found it cringeworthy. Um Instagram and Um. It's been
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  Speaker 1: a topic of conversations with a lot of our listeners,
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  Speaker 1: so much so that we got two emails right, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: right right in front of me that kind of question
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  Speaker 1: the same things that I have. So this is how
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  Speaker 1: it goes, UM, an email from Alex Please talk about
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  Speaker 1: the post Danielle L put on her Instagram and what
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  Speaker 1: does it even mean? The pics her and the caption
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  Speaker 1: just don't go together. Is she just doing this to
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  Speaker 1: make her see a man? Wait? Why are we doing
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  Speaker 1: this before we read the caption? We should be reading
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  Speaker 1: the caption first. Alright, alright, Ben, read the caption because
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  Speaker 1: I can't read very well. But but let me describe
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  Speaker 1: the picture. Guys. It's a picture from July post show,
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  Speaker 1: but pre reunion show, with Danielle with a pink baseball
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  Speaker 1: cap on Dean's lap, kissing him. Yeah, UM, so here's
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  Speaker 1: the deal. We want all of you to kind of
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  Speaker 1: to judge for yourself. You don't have to judge. I
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  Speaker 1: guess we just want to start a conversation here because
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  Speaker 1: I guess none of us quite understand exactly what's going on. Um.
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  Speaker 1: The first sentence in the caption I'm gonna pear a
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  Speaker 1: phrase says I've always been criticized and from my looks
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  Speaker 1: and and Daniel, I don't know if you listen to
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  Speaker 1: this or not, but let me be a man to
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  Speaker 1: tell you there. If anybody's criticizing you for your looks,
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  Speaker 1: they are the ones and the wrong. You are absolutely beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Uh no, no, no, no, Ben, this is a gross
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  Speaker 1: Oh I didn't I did not get this out. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my god. No. No. This is where I have a problem.
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  Speaker 1: This is the part of the caption that I have
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  Speaker 1: a problem with, and I'm not going to like hide
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  Speaker 1: my feelings about it. She said, I've always been criticized
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  Speaker 1: and ridicule from my looks and making me work ten
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  Speaker 1: times harder to prove that success comes from my ethics
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  Speaker 1: and not my physical appearance. She is literally saying, boo hoo,
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  Speaker 1: feel bad for me. I'm so pretty it's hard. I'm
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  Speaker 1: so pretty nobody pays attention to my brain. Okay, you guys,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I've always thought that about myself. I can really
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  Speaker 1: um So, if you just I mean, I guess I'm
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  Speaker 1: I lost the whole meaning to this caption. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to learn this myself and kind of listen to
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  Speaker 1: I guess the two of you kind of explained to me.
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  Speaker 1: But it goes on to say, d n I's connection
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  Speaker 1: with so much deeper. Again, sorry, but that's what I said.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's not a word she said, Dean, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm reading a Oh my god, I know where this
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  Speaker 1: is like a big right now, but I do think
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  Speaker 1: it's important to read. It's heartbreaking and disappointing to see
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  Speaker 1: how my relationship was depicted as something that it was
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  Speaker 1: only surface level when our connection was much deeper. She's
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  Speaker 1: blaming her looks like, her beautiful looks on the fact that, um,
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  Speaker 1: I guess nobody looks like into her heart and soul
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  Speaker 1: and that they just look at her looks and then
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  Speaker 1: therefore they don't take anything that she feels seriously. And
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  Speaker 1: that's ridiculous because um every girl on this show is beautiful. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: so I do know behind the scenes that she's got
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  Speaker 1: a chip on her shoulder because they made it seem
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  Speaker 1: like Dean had the emotional connection with Christina, but he
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  Speaker 1: just thought Danielle l was hot. Okay, that I can understand.
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  Speaker 1: Then I would rather her say Dean and I simply
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  Speaker 1: in the caption with this picture. She could have used
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  Speaker 1: the picture and she had said, I wish you guys
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  Speaker 1: got to see the deep, meaningful connection that Dean and
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  Speaker 1: I truly had, and not just the physical connection. Um,
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  Speaker 1: because blaming your looks on the reason that you weren't
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  Speaker 1: shown having a a deep connection with this guy doesn't
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  Speaker 1: explain anything. Because everybody on this show it's pretty. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to be hateful, because I'm sure she
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  Speaker 1: does feel that she's had challenges because she's so pretty.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure she does genuinely feel that. But there are
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  Speaker 1: just things that you say and you don't say. It's
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  Speaker 1: like if if somebody said life is so hard for
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  Speaker 1: me because I'm a billionaire, it's the same thing. It's like, Oh, seriously,
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  Speaker 1: my mom and I were watching Sinner yesterday with Jessica
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  Speaker 1: Bill and my mom can't watch anything with Jessica Bille anymore,
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  Speaker 1: because like eight years ago she said something like I
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  Speaker 1: don't get roles because I'm too pretty, and it's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: Charlie's theoryn and halle Berry both want oscars and uh
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  Speaker 1: for roles in which they looked pretty gross in right
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  Speaker 1: or wrong? Ben, you comment on this, but people don't
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  Speaker 1: like when people say life Yeah, I mean yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: mean I've listened to the two of you uh gone
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  Speaker 1: and I'm hearing you out and I get it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think Amy, you make a great point, right. It
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  Speaker 1: is like complaining, Hey I have too much money or
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  Speaker 1: hey life's too easy, so nobody ever thinks that I
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  Speaker 1: have any like grit and grinded my life. UM. I
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  Speaker 1: want to say, was this the most appropriate caption to
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  Speaker 1: post on an Instagram? I do not think so at all.
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  Speaker 1: But we do have to give her credit for trying
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  Speaker 1: to be vulnerable and transparent with her with the people
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  Speaker 1: out there. I mean, she's obviously feeling this. She's she
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  Speaker 1: obviously is feeling an insecurity that maybe I've never dealt with.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not pretty enough to really have to complain about.
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  Speaker 1: I I fight every day, um to get people to
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  Speaker 1: take me. You know, when I have to post for photos.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot more makeup on my face and probably
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  Speaker 1: Danielle UM. But I do, but I do, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I do think she has UM. I'm reading this through
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  Speaker 1: as you. The two of you were taught sucking and
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  Speaker 1: and it is tough like UM. She's trying to show here.
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  Speaker 1: She has a comment it says, just because they never
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  Speaker 1: showed me crying or being upset doesn't mean that I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like she she's watching the show back and seeing
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  Speaker 1: I look cold, I look distant, I look too good
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  Speaker 1: for school, and it's not who I am, and I
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  Speaker 1: want to show people that I'm I'm deeper than that. UM.
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  Speaker 1: So I can't judge her for that. I just don't
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  Speaker 1: think this is appropriate. It is weird to say nobody
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  Speaker 1: takes me seriously because I'm too good looking. That is
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  Speaker 1: a problem that I wish I had for the rest
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  Speaker 1: of my life. Here's where I throw a red flag.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't want to be mean. I'm trying really
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  Speaker 1: hard not to be mean. Amy. This is this is
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  Speaker 1: the most fired up you've gotten in the two seasons
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  Speaker 1: of our three seasons of our podcast. Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: The red flag for me is if she posted this
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  Speaker 1: and was being truly vulnerable. I find a red flag,
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  Speaker 1: and that she follows it up with an interview with
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  Speaker 1: US magazine and then all these red flags to me,
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  Speaker 1: the one thing Amy, I think you do you might
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  Speaker 1: forget in this situation at least. And also it's a
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  Speaker 1: good lesson for for the people that do the Bachelor
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  Speaker 1: or come off the Bachelor, right is they do think
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  Speaker 1: of themselves. And it happens every time. It's happened with myself,
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  Speaker 1: happens with everybody. You do for a short period of life,
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  Speaker 1: some lasts longer than others. Um think of yourself higher
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  Speaker 1: as a bigger deal than you actually are. And so
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  Speaker 1: everybody's giving you attention, everybody's talking about you, everybody's interested
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  Speaker 1: in your love life, everybody's watching on TV. And soon
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  Speaker 1: that phase and changes like very quickly. That doesn't last
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  Speaker 1: very long. But you know, for some people in their
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  Speaker 1: mind that just sticks with them. And so Amy, you're
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  Speaker 1: used to dealing with the justin timber Lakes of the world,
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  Speaker 1: where they've been around the block, they get it like
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  Speaker 1: they know it, like they know that. But people in
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor world and they're soaking up any opportunity for attention
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  Speaker 1: they can and and that makes sense for all. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: even the captain makes more sense, um, coming from the
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  Speaker 1: perspective of she's just trying to figure this whole thing out. Still, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe it when you say that you've had
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  Speaker 1: that phase. What do you mean? I don't think you
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  Speaker 1: ever want to that phase where you thought you were
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  Speaker 1: better than anyone else and thought that you should be
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  Speaker 1: catered to. Well, I mean part of it, and I've
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  Speaker 1: I've told you both this, I think, uh in our conversations.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I really do. And I have to give
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  Speaker 1: credit to my friends and my family for that, and
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  Speaker 1: that does that's not pushing the attention off. I have
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  Speaker 1: consciously tried hard to keep a foundation. I will give
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  Speaker 1: myself credit for that. Um. But I remember when I
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  Speaker 1: was announced as a bachelor, I was so pumped, right,
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  Speaker 1: And there was like a couple of hours there after
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  Speaker 1: I was announced to the Bachelor where my chest was
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  Speaker 1: a little you know, stuck out a little more, and
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  Speaker 1: I felt a little cooler, and my hairlines seemed to
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  Speaker 1: be a little better, and you know, I just I
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  Speaker 1: was confident and um and I and I opened up
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  Speaker 1: my phone and one of my best friends. Um, Jordan
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  Speaker 1: Fuller had sent me a text that said, in a
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  Speaker 1: group threat with a bunch of people, congratulations, you're now
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  Speaker 1: king of the nerds. I think it was Jordan's it
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  Speaker 1: was one of my buddies, and I was like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: like that now, Like that's a good perspective to keep,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, these are some great people to do
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  Speaker 1: this show. But don't think of myself that cool because
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  Speaker 1: I was announced the Bachelor, Like, I have a lot
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  Speaker 1: to prove still, and I have I have to hold
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  Speaker 1: myself to a standard that allows me to be confident
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  Speaker 1: before I can be confident. I'm just not cool because
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  Speaker 1: I was on the show. That's not the case of anybody. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think what she's frustrated about here is the fact
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  Speaker 1: that her personality didn't come through it all. So my
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  Speaker 1: question here is do you have a personality that's been hidden?
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  Speaker 1: Or are you like blaming other things to hide for
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  Speaker 1: your lack of personality? Um, it's good questions, right, that's
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  Speaker 1: a fine question to ask. We're not saying that she
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have a personality. It's a question we ask about
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  Speaker 1: everybody does a show. Or let's let's make it even
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  Speaker 1: a bit let's you know, Bachelor Nation or Bachelor's seasons
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  Speaker 1: are over, right now, let's talk about it in a
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  Speaker 1: larger perspective, right with any celebrity, with the athletes, anybody
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  Speaker 1: that we know, um from television or not a distance,
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  Speaker 1: do we really know them? And And that's a good question,
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  Speaker 1: like we've talked about on this show, does editing count
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  Speaker 1: out our personalities? And I would say sometimes yes, But
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  Speaker 1: other times, if I have to come out and publicly
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  Speaker 1: say hey, I have a person out, let me prove
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  Speaker 1: it to you, I probably don't have a personality. My
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  Speaker 1: conversation last week, like if you have to give yourself
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  Speaker 1: a compliment, like there's a reason why nobody else has
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  Speaker 1: given you compliments and you should probably look in at
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  Speaker 1: that first. Then you're so smart. Here's what I think
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  Speaker 1: is fair. I'm going to text her right now and
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  Speaker 1: give her the opportunity that we're gonna be here for
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  Speaker 1: another forty five minutes and have her call in, because
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  Speaker 1: otherwise I do feel bad because I would say to
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  Speaker 1: her face, hey, it kind of you. I said it
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  Speaker 1: to her when she asked me for the water. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, really, let's ask her, Okay, Yeah, And texting
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  Speaker 1: her right now, I just want to say, the only
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  Speaker 1: problem I have about this whole Instagram thing and about
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  Speaker 1: Danielle like in general, is really just this whole first
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  Speaker 1: line about being criticized for her looks. Because whenever I'm
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  Speaker 1: criticizing somebody on the show who I don't really know
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  Speaker 1: very well personally, I always think about how, like see
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  Speaker 1: my season three of Paradise and all the things that
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  Speaker 1: just overwhelmed me with frustration because so many people I
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  Speaker 1: believed weren't seeing a lot of the things that they
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  Speaker 1: should have seen for a balanced scenario. Right, So if
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  Speaker 1: this is Danielle responding in a way that I wish
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  Speaker 1: that I could have and I kind of did last season,
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  Speaker 1: like I get it, get it off your chest, it's
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  Speaker 1: so frustrating. So I just always have to come from
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  Speaker 1: that point of view with these people. Yeah, And I
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  Speaker 1: just like want you guys to know that out there too.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, just always remember you don't actually know everything
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  Speaker 1: well and I mean, actually, let me let me ask
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  Speaker 1: you this, okay, And you do think so much, like
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  Speaker 1: your brain doesn't stop. You're very concerned about things. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's about five different times during this podcast that you say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: can we edit that out because I don't think it
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  Speaker 1: sounded right like you do overthink things and and the
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  Speaker 1: truth is, actually, if you look at your life right now,
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  Speaker 1: right for all the things that you're worried about, the
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  Speaker 1: people thought about you or felt about you, you have
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  Speaker 1: a very successful career doing podcasting, doing doing journalism, UM,
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  Speaker 1: traveling around to l A, doing a hearing's is doing
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  Speaker 1: shows like people love you actually, So it just shows
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  Speaker 1: that your concerns and I'm not I'm not trying to
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  Speaker 1: invalidate your concerns, but I'm also invalidating your concerns. Your
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  Speaker 1: concerns a year ago during coming off a Bachelor in Paradise,
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  Speaker 1: We're not true because people actually really like you. Well
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  Speaker 1: that's true. But what I think I've done successfully is
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  Speaker 1: found enough outlets for them to actually get to know
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  Speaker 1: my personality beyond the show. And that's what I've agree.
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  Speaker 1: I've gained a lot of people who probably didn't love
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  Speaker 1: me from the show, and then I had a core
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  Speaker 1: base coming off of it. Well, okay, so to close
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  Speaker 1: up this conversation, UM, and hopefully Danielle l can come
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  Speaker 1: on the podcast here later later. This thing back. It's
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  Speaker 1: like she said when and I said, right now, I'm
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  Speaker 1: waiting she's sending so hopefully she can come on the
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  Speaker 1: podcast later in the show. We'll wait and hear from
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  Speaker 1: an update on here. We'll make sure to keep you
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  Speaker 1: tuned in as we go on. Um. You know, this
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  Speaker 1: is an interesting world. There's a com it made by
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  Speaker 1: Amy a little bit ago to ask, hey, what is
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  Speaker 1: it like being a normal person and going zero to
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  Speaker 1: a hundred based on the show, And how does your
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  Speaker 1: mind react to that? And it is difficult. I don't
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  Speaker 1: ever want to say it's not it's really hard to
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  Speaker 1: process the fact all of a sudden there is a
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  Speaker 1: tension for you that people are paying you to be places,
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  Speaker 1: that your life has kind of opened up in a
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  Speaker 1: whole new, whole new arena. The key to that, the
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  Speaker 1: key to that is to keep a foundation and know
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  Speaker 1: who you were before. Um And like I've said over
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  Speaker 1: and over an I might have said every podcast, just
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  Speaker 1: use this experience, enhance your life, don't change it. Like,
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  Speaker 1: get up and get yourself a glass of water. I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell Daniel that later. Like, you know, don't let anybody
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  Speaker 1: don't have any don't reach out for people to serve you. Um,
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  Speaker 1: use this time to serve others better because now you
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  Speaker 1: have a platform to do it. Um. And one way
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  Speaker 1: that actually has always served me well, um is through
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  Speaker 1: my fashion styles. I mean, but you did it very
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  Speaker 1: road getting there. Um. I don't dress very well. I'm
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  Speaker 1: a genea T shirt, a boot type of guy with
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  Speaker 1: maybe a hat every once in a while to spice
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  Speaker 1: things up. Um. But actually there's a way which we
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  Speaker 1: could all enhance our fashion. And this way is somebody
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  Speaker 1: that supports us very well. So actually, can you tell
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  Speaker 1: them about what tote? Okay, guys, if you ever wanted
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  Speaker 1: to be more fashionable but you don't think you have
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  Speaker 1: the I for it, or you maybe hate shopping, or
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  Speaker 1: you can't find the time, well this is the time
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  Speaker 1: right to your door. So Danielle l We're going to
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  Speaker 1: call her in fifteen minutes well, she's on her way home.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: So just to between us, I think we should all
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: be strong and say our opinions, but may be just
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: not beat her up about it, right, Like, I just
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: want to know what she means for that, and I
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: know what she's gonna say. She's gonna say, I've had
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: job interviews and stuff where they don't take me seriously
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: because and like I guess I've had job interviews where
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I leave and I'm like, my looks probably not right
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: for that company. Or let's move on. Okay, it up,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: all right, We're moving into a segment. And the reason
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: we're talking about with this person coming up is because
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: after last week's podcast, we got a ton of reader
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: emails and calls about the conversation that we had with
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Daniel Um. They seem to think that Daniel Uh kind
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: of spewed too much information kind of through some of
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: the people on the bus UM. And we had Lacey,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: who is on the line now UM that data Daniel
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: in Paradise reach out and say, hey, let me talk,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: And so we want to have Lacey on. Lacey, you
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: out there, I am hey, Hi, I'm good, I'm good,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, get my life back together. Well, welcome
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: to the almost famous podcast. Actually, and I are ecstatic
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: to have you and thank you for coming on to
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: tell your side of the story about what happened in Paradise. Yeah, yeah,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: thank you. Last week, Um, we had Daniel on and
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I know that immediately got a little nervous, Lacy, right,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: And then you listen to it back and you're like, oh,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: this is this is just not completely accurate, or at
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: least not the way that I saw the whole scenario.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Go down and see messages me on Instagram and you're like,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: can I tell my side of the story. I was like, yes,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you're here. I'm glad I'm here. Tell us
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: your story. Well, I mean, the one thing I really
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: want to the one point I want to drive home
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: is I really want to implore people to just think
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: a little bit. It's obviously impossible to fall in love
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: with someone in five days. So maybe there's more to
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: the story, right, Maybe they're there is more we don't
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: know about. Maybe there's more one half. It's not being
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: truthful about whichever side it is. People choose to believe.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Situations like this, unfortunately, are a lot of he said.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: She said, Um, Fortunately for me, half of what he
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: said ended up on camera. UM actually had clip on
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the finale of him having that sidebar um conversation with producer.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that existed. That was the first time
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I had ever seen that was on stage with him,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: and I was just like wow, So like, I really
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: am not crazy, this is actually happy. So when again,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: what clip? Can you explain that clip to us? Yeah?
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: So it was the next morning in the fantasy suite
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: UM that Daniela had spent the night together, and it
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: was him talking to a producer about how he could
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: never ever be in a relationship with me, where as
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: twelve hours before he had said to me on camera
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: that he wants to be in a relationship. He doesn't
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: want me going back to New York and dating anybody out,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: so he said I don't want you dating anyone else
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: on camera. Yeah. Yeah, it aired during this morning Mum.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: And then you know there was that clip from the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: next morning of him dying to a producer, I could
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: never ever be in a relationship with her. So I
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that clip because it did so sitting
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: next to him was the first time I didn't think
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: that she he said in that clip. I could never
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: be in a relationship with her, he said, I can
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: never change my Facebook status. So he and I, um
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: use the whole like Facebook status thing is a like
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: a figure as kid like four and form of speed.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: We were acts like, you know, we're adults, We're not
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: actually talking about changing ours said it. Dating is just
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: so different now, especially in this world too, that we
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: were kind of just using it in the sense of like,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: are we like boyfriend or girl's girlfriend. Are we entitled
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: relationship or are we just you know, figuring it out? Um?
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: And it was my takeaway from the night before when
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: he said I don't want you going back to New
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: York and dating anybody else, that we were in a relationship. Um,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: And then that the whole thing happened, Um where we
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: went conversation. So we have had a private conversation off
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: camera when in the fantasy suite following that conversation, we
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: want to know everything that happened in the fantasy suite,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, wa, January, if you are we want to
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: know everything that like the conversations that happened in the
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: fantasy speak also, well, yeah, but if we are going
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: to get a little was it was actually only conversations
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: that like that perfect all right, that's what we need
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: to know. UM. So yeah, so the camera's left, and
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: this is what I discussed with Chris is that when
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the cameras left the room and we were actually legitimately
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: alone for the first time, um, for our entirety, the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: entirety of our time in Mexico. UM, I just didn't
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: feel comfortable with how that conversation went down. Something in
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: my gut just didn't seem like that some that's that
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: is what Daniel wanted to say, or that that's actually
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: how he felt. It just didn't feel right. It was
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: like a women's intuition thing. Um. Lying that he was
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: lying about the conversation that happened on camera. Not necessarily
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: that he was lying, but maybe he just said some
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: things he didn't mean. Maybe he got caught up in
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: the moment. It's it's really easy too to get caught
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: up with the camera being in your face. And I
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: do understand that. I want to give him a little
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: bit of credit. Um, But at the same time, it's like,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: those are some pretty some pretty big things to say.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: If you don't mean them, you know that you're falling
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: for someone. So UM, I brought it up. You know,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: he and I, throughout our our whole relationship and even
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: our friendship before Paradise, have really really good communication. Usually, Um,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: we talked about everything. We don't We never keept secrets
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: from each other or anything, so I didn't have any
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: problem talking to about it. So I brought it up, um,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and not necessarily in these words, But what what we
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: ended up talking about was that he didn't he did
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: not that it wasn't just me, like, he did not
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: mean that in that way. And he brought it up
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: because we were on camera, So he admitted that conversation
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: had gone down for the first time off camera would
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: be completely different, he said, I exaggerated on camera for
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: the sake of camera pretty much pretty much. Yeah, and
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I want to know more about the history. You met
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: him in January, You made out with him in January.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: So I actually met him in October New York. Yeah,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: in New York at Vinnie's birthday party. There was a
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: big group of bats where people there um and we um,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: So we met for the first time there and um,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: we like made out at the bar um and then
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I went back to his hotel room with him, where
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: literally nothing else happened. All we did was just hang
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: out and kids a little bit. I realized used the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: word on camera hooked up, and that means something different
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: to everybody. Um. We could have an entire podcast one
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: day about the meaning of hook up and what it
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: means individually. So I realized I probably should have used
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a different word. To be completely clear, Daniel and I
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: did not have sex that night, because that's another rumor
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: that's swirling around, because I did use the word hook up, um,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: and that was pretty much it. You know. He went
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: back up north. I stayed in New York, but we
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: did keep in touch um sporadically until that January. In January,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: we started keeping in touch a lot um every single day,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: every hour. Turned it around, UM, spread it up to
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: be honest, and this is gonna sound so so so
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: so strange and ridiculous, but um, Daniel doesn't have an
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: iPhone and so he doesn't text UM, and he like,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: we became Facebook friends. So we just started Facebook drink
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: all the time. Because that's why Facebook official is something
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: like as bizarre as that sounds, it's like, you know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: he doesn't sign message. It's technically international texting. But we
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: became Facebook friends, and that kind of just help in
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a way. I know anyone's listening to this, it's probably like,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: what the hell, no, no, no, no, no, I guet
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: how her communication could be faster with him via Facebook.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: But all right, so are you just like you saw
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: him on launch over and you did not see him
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: in real life until you started filming Paradise in June? Correct? Yeah,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: we had been talking every single day up until then,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: from like January up until filming and video chatting and
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: all that stuff, but we physically had not been in
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: the same place since October. I'm just more stressed out.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: The idea that you were messaging each other every hour
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: on the hour for a few months, that gives me
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to hive that well. But now do you understand why
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I'm so disturbed by what's going on a little bit? Yeah,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I mean I do, but it's not a great I
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: guess I'm just not a great text here, and so
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: the idea of being on my phone that often just
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: does stress me out. I have some things before actually
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: continues on with the questions because she just crushes these questions.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: She gets the hardest core, the core of the story.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I do want to clear up a few things, okay. Um.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: One is, you started out this conversation say it's not
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: possible to fall in love and the amount of time
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: you're in paradise, do you really believe that's true? Um? Well,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: for us, um to Daniel's point to two of us
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: were only there together for five days, So I think
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: the five days part is unrealistic. But I think they're
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: people who were there together the entire time. It could
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: totally happen, right, Okay, so just too short of a time. Uh,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: five days wasn't long enough. Love at first sight doesn't
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: exist in your eyes, especially in Paradise. I think lust
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: at first sight exists first. Sorry, perfect. Um. My next
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: question is to clear up here, and this is mostly
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: based on I'm kind of doing this on behalf of
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of the Bachelor contestants out there, because it's
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: been a question that I've had that a lot of
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: us have had that we can't figure out. Um. For
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: for the listeners out there, Vinny does this thing right now,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I don't get it, Like he has a videographer around
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: with him all the time. I don't know why. I
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: don't know what he's doing with it, but he seemed
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: a video there's like out on YouTube somewhere. I got
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: it sent to me two weeks ago from a fellow
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Bachelor contestant, asking what the heck is this? There's a
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: video of like a birthday party. It's I don't know
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: if it's like a commercial or whatever. It is. Everybody's
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: in suits and dresses and they're looking nice. What's up
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: with Vinny in these videos? I wish I knew. Okay,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: there's no good reason that. That's a great question. And
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I've been around Vinny and his videographer and like a
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: couple of club appearances, and it's a little bizarre. I
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: thought it was like for higher once or twice to
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: show off, you know. I think it's also I think
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: it's one of his friends too, so kind of just
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: helps his friend get to get his name out there
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and stuff. Well, hey, you know what, We're a podcast
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: about helping people. That's you know what we might be
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: about The Bachelor, but we're but we're mostly about helping people.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: So for all the listeners out there, if you're wondering,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: go to YouTube. Type in Vinny vinsanity. I don't know
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: what he calls himself these days. Birthday party video watch it,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: get some YouTube hits, help him out promoted a little bit.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: It's the weirdest thing I've seen in a long time. Um,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: but hey, if the guys trying, the guys trying, so
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: go ahead and go out and watch it. You know,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: if you pay attention really really close to one of
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: those videos, if you find Vinney's birthday party video from
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: last year, you'll see me in it before all the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: magic started to happen. Lacy, I just want to clarify
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: your bottom line as to work. Where you and Daniel
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: differ on what's been aired, is that you're like, hey,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: we've been talking like crazy since January. This is why
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I had such intense feelings for this guy. I'm not
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: a crazy person, and he could have been feeling just
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: as much as I was, given the communication we had. Okay,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: but I think what ended up happening with you know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: just the way the finale was presented. But you know,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: none of us know how that happen until it happened. Um.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I think maybe just sent him into this survival mode
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: where he felt he needed to defend himself so much.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: In doing that, there's so many holes in the story
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: and so many pieces missing. Like, even I myself got confused,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and the glory of Facebook messengers that you can go
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: back and check everything, So I like went back to
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: to reread. I'm like, is this really? Like in my head?
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Is he right? Like? What is going on here? Give
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: me an example from Facebook, some juicy stuff that he
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: said to you that you have in type I might
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: have to save those for his next interview. UM See,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: my thing is, um this is only the second interview
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I've done talking about this. I think you could tell
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: in the finale it was really tough for me. I
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: was like, my voice was shaking. I couldn't even really
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: like get through the story because this is actually pretty
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: serious for me, Whereas for him, it's like, you know,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: he's taking any any interview he can get, and in
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: that he's just continuing to spread all this stuff that's
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: not true. So that's why I reached out to you.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I was like, at some point this has got to stop.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: And maybe this is me reaching out via podcast world saying, hey, Daniel,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: let's mom with our lives to stop talking about this.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Where do your current feelings for him lie? You know,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: as much as I want to hate him, he's not
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: a bad person. He just he just did a bad thing.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: But he's not a bad person. And it actually really
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: breaks my heart to see like there's you know, the
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: whole social media world like writing awful things on his photos,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: and like, that's not what I wanted. I just wanted.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I just wanted the truth to be out there. So
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: when I see kind of people turning on him, it
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: breaks my heart because even I don't hate him. You know, again,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: he's not a bad guy. He just did a bad thing.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: So all um, before you leave, I thought we could
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: have a nice little off topic conversation on topic, off
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: topic conversation. Do you guys like to text the person
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: your quote talking to dating all day long? Or do
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: you like to like have a call at the end
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: of the day. And that's it, because I am like
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: this with my friends and with people that I'm quote
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: talking to. I just needed sprinkle here or there. I'd
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: rather one substance call than a whole bunch of like
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah all day long, back and forth.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: And I'm just curious because lazy you seem like somebody
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: who wants me in constant contact. What about And then
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Ben seems like he's on the other side of the spectrum.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I think it's circumstantial, you know. I mean, I live
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: in New York City. I live a really busy life.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I work, I'm not around a lot during the day.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Um So when it comes to, you know, having free time,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I'd love to spend that free time talking to people. Yeah,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with lazy. I guess, like you know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: life does catch up with you and you get busy.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: There's there's moments of business. Um. I found out recently.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: And this is my own personal struggles. UM, I have
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: a to do list every morning that I do it
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: before I go to bed at night. And so I
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: wake up and I have this list, and I'm starting
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: to see that I'm adding in phone conversations into that.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: So call my buddy Corey, or hey, call you know,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: some one of my friends at this time, because I
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: have thirty minutes free and that's not really necessity to
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: the life I want to live. Because it feels like
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I'm doing a checklist and instead of investing in relationships,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just fulfilling relationships. I'm just making just kind of
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: crossing him off the list. And but when it comes
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: to dating relationships, I'm definitely not a Texter. No, There's
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: just I feel like so many things that we could
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: be doing outside of sending memes to each other or selfies. Um,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: it's definitely important then they are. It's definitely a generational thing,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I think. I think like people, you know, lower twenties,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: they need that constant texting all day long. But for me,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's mus more meaningful of you even
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: call and have a ten minute conversation with me. Um, Ben,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I think it was nice that you or even I
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: kind of think it's nice that you're pennciling in conversations
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: just because you're dedicating time to your friends. And like
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like I ignore texts and I'm like,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: why am I ignoring the text of my friends? Yeah, no,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I've seen that before too, I have. I think it's
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: a security thing for me when it comes to dating.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: It's like I want to know that the other person
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: is thinking about me, and if they're you know, just
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: texting me, then I know that they're thinking about me.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: When I'm you know, not physically seeing them. I lay,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I think that Daniel will be thinking about you. Um.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: After listening to this podcast, thank you for clearing everything
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: up today. We really appreciate it. I hope I hope
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: listeners get a little more clarity now. Yeah, you know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: and and we just appreciate you coming on and trying
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: to trying to tell the truth. Uh, it's a hard situation.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Like you said, you don't hate Daniel, so nobody out
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: there should hate Daniel. It's it's he did maybe a
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: bad thing or just the situation was a difficult one
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: for him. But the end of the day, you both
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: invested into relationship that you allowed all of us to
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: have a close, up close and person to look at,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: and we have to appreciate that. But now we appreciate
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you coming on the podcast because that's what this podcast
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: is all about. It's telling the behind the scenes to
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: a world that we just get to watch on TV.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: So Lacy, thank you for joining the Almost Famous podcast today.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. We'll
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: talk to you soon. You know. You know what else
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: we appreciate, Ben, I mean, I appreciate sending a good
• 35:13
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• 35:17
  Speaker 1: You've never sent me a selfie? How will weird would
• 35:19
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• 35:21
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• 38:05
  Speaker 1: here in an upcoming segment. Actually, we have a lot
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to talk about, a lot to break down a lot
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: of things that we think will happen. We'll actually fall
• 38:11
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• 38:13
  Speaker 1: and see. But we are lucky enough before that segment
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: to talk to something. I'm out Earlier, Danielle l is
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: on the line. Um, Danielle, Hello, I'm Ben. Thank you
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: for doing the Almost Famous podcast. Danielle Hi, Hello, how
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: are you guys? Good? How are you? We're just talking
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: about your Instagram the other day and how much buzz
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: it's got. Oh goodness, you know, I'm like I didn't
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: need to photo oh like, just get rid of it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: There's like so many questions post posting that photo. But yeah,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, what did you definitely to the photo or
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: the caption? Um, it was a pretty interesting next because
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I feel like the people who reacted, I mean the
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: photo on the captain definitely don't or respawn necessarily. I mean,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: that was the only photo that I had of us
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: post Paradise, like outside of the show. But I didn't
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: want to take a photo from Paradise because we had
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: a relationship outside of that. So it didn't really make
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: sense for me to post something from the show. That
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: was the only photo you guys had of all the
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: times that you guys went out. I'm not really the
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: type of person, like, especially in the beginning of relationship,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: to like take my phone out and all this initiat
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: taking photos. So that photo was actually taken by a
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: friend Daniel. Before we get started here, UM, I want
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: to clear some things up. And so obviously this is
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: a talked about photo, right uh, with the caption and
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: the picture and everything. I mean, it's gotten a lot
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: of buzz, a lot of attention. We on the Almost
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Famous podcasts have our own questions about it. We do.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: We started out this podcast honestly saying, hey, uh, in
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: all honesty, this kind of shocked us. It surprised us.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: We don't get it. Um, I couldn't understand. I mean
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I read the caption for the first time Daniel, and
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, wait, she says she isn't pretty, like
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Daniel is one of the most pretty people I've ever
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: seen on Tell of as and and then they explained
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: to me, no, she's actually saying she is pretty and
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: that she's not getting the respect that she deserves because
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: people can't look past the outside of parents. Um. And
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: so we just have a lot of questions we brought
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: up and as we started started to talk as a
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: team here like, you know what, it just sounds like
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: we're making speculation, we're making assumptions we don't really know,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: we don't know the true meaning behind it. So we
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: wanted to get you on the phone to explain yourself
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: and so that we're not coming off as three people
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: really two people, but a producer that's very fired up
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: about this topic. UM, that that are just coming up
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: with things off the top of head. We want to
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: talk to you at the source, So can you kind
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: of cleared up for us and our listeners. What exactly
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: was the intention with the photo. Yeah, well, I mean,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: do you and know how a relationship post Paradise it
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: was on boyfriend girlfriend, I definitely wouldn't say so, but
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: we definitely continue things outside of Paradise, and you know,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: it always told me that, you know, no matter what,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: like you would always have my back and you would
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: stand up for me. And I just felt like seeing
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: how things are portrayed on the show and how it
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: just showed a very physical, surface level relationship versus things
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: that I felt like actually occurred on Paradise and post
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Paradise was so different, and I felt like, you know,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I think you and I both experienced a lot of
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: backlash from fans and people in the audience just speculating
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: in terms of like what our relationship was and what
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: kind of people we were. And so I was really
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: just expecting him to kind of help my back and
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: stand up for me a little bit more in terms
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: of social media and the press, and I think he
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: took the route of, you know, just giving more validation
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: to relationship with Christina and and so I don't know,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I had talked to him and he said that he's
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: just going to post something like kind of clearing everything
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: up and having my back, and I just never felt
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: like he did. So after the Funaley, I was like,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: this is kind of like my parting gift, and it
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: showed people that now there's more than meat fine that's
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: shown on TV, and that we did have a relationship.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: And it kind of sucks how they just portrayed me
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: as someone who it's looks and doesn't have anything else
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: to offer. So that's kind of what my captain endailed.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I guess I wouldn't question the captain at all if
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: it didn't have to, if it wasn't a picture like that.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: And I guess if you had simply just said, like
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I wish you guys would have seen like our deeper,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: more meaningful communicative relationship on the show versus just the
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: physical side, like why and then a photo of a
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: kissing I know, yeah it's a little ironic. Um, Yeah,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: why did you feel the need to bring in the
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: whole criticize and ridiculed figure looks? Because I think people
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: automatically want to jump to an assumption when they meet
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: someone that you know, all there is to them is
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: their boss. And I think you know, there are a
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: lot of people that you know, I love to be
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: recognized for the our looks, and I feel like, you know,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I've worked so much harder on things in terms of
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: my career and who I am as a person, and
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: that's not the only thing that I have to offer
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: a person or relationship. And I don't think that was,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: you know, the main reason why Dean and I did
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: have a connection. So I don't think anyone was actually
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: saying that. And here's the thing. I'm gonna be brutally honest.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: It's very hard for people, and I'm speaking just in
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: general to sympathize with somebody who's like and I'm I'm
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: not trying to put words in your mouth. Oh it's
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: so hard for me because I'm so pretty. The analogy
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I used is it's like somebody saying life is so
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: hard for me. I only have a hundred and eighty
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: million dollars. It's really difficult where I think there are
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: other ways you could have done what your intention was. Yeah,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and maybe that's so, but I just felt like, you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I don't know, like I'm not
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: going around saying that like I'm the most hard to
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: person or these things. But it just changed that's not
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: the only thing that I have to offer a person,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily saying that I think so highly
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: of myself in terms of my physical parents. I'm just
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: saying that is something that does play factor in my
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: life and by relationships with people and have for CVD.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Do you think that life has been harder in ways
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: because you're pretty No, I don't think life has been
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: harder at all. But I'm just saying that, you know
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: mine movement that life has been hard because of my luck.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that it's something that I feel like
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I have to work harder for in terms of proving
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: my roles and work and my relationships with people. So
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's harder, but I definitely think it's
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: a factor. But Daniel, I understand what you're saying because
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you had such a frustration because there was like so
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: many things left out and people didn't get to see
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: what you felt, you know, because you guys had conversations
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: and you felt deeper and you were respectable and all
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: that stuff. But that just doesn't seem to be something
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: that people are thinking about, and they're just thinking about
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: your physical connection, right, And you just wanted to be
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: like you guys, there was more, there was more beyond that. Yeah, exactly.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like for me, that was my closure.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Like I said, my beef, I said things that I
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: felt like weren't for traded on the show or afterwards,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: and and now I just want to be able to
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: move on. I mean it makes sense to me. I
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: mean I guess, yeah, you kind of hit the firing
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: line there. Um. I tried to set you up to
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: warn you, right, because there are a lot of questions.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: But if you're gonna if you're going to post a picture,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: and I've I've I've I've been there, Daniel like I,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: and I think Ashley has and and Amy is usually
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: the firing one. So um, but we've all been criticized
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: for something we've posted, um, and we've all had to
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: respond to it. And so in order for this to
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: make sense, I think it is appropriate and fair for
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: people to ask you questions and you to respond and
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: you have. Um. The one thing I have is you
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: kind of took in the caption or the picture. It
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: seemed like there is a bigger purpose behind it, right,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: You weren't just explaining a television show, and you weren't
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: just explaining your looks and saying, hey, you know, I'm
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: more than just a pretty faith You're you're talking to
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: a deeper I guess you're trying from what I got,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: you're trying to talk to a deeper audience. Um, you're
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: trying to talk to people saying, hey, if you're struggling
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: out there with not being respected or being judged for
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: one thing or another, Um, just know that you know
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: you're not alone in that, because I am as well.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Is that true? Yeah, I definitely think so. I think
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: it's relatable, and I mean the response that I got
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: definitely a lot of questions, a lot of negativity. But
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I think someone really sparked at the fact that it
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: felt like bind me posting that and my caption it
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: was just me kind of standing up for myself. I'm fair. Um. So,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I mean you're on the phone now, we've heard your
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: your thoughts. Where are you at with Dean? I mean,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: we we got to find out exactly what happened in
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: this relationship post um finale or post film shutdown, and
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: and where does your relationship stand with Dean today? Um?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I think my relationship with Dean I've been talked to
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: him in a while, you know, I said my piece,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: he'll text me hand just to take in and see
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: how I'm doing. But there's no romantic relationship. I mean
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: for me after watching the show and things. He said,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I don't see how why I would want to continue
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: our relationship with him, and Um, from what I know,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: I think he's trying to work that with Tokima. So
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I'm just kind of trying to be respectable and keep
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: find distance. That's fair. I mean, that's It's gotta be
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: a tough situation for you, UM and Christina and Dean,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: but I mean we're talking to you currently, and so
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: has this I mean, has this been tough on you?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, how are you doing today? Oh? I mean
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: talking about it and having to like relive it. It's
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: definitely tough. But I mean I've moved on. I'm dating
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: kind of trying to look at things in a positive
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: light and move forward. You know, I don't I don't
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: hope anything Againstean. I think I am disappointed by the
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: way I felt like Key handled things, but I don't
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: hope anything against Christine And I think it's just one
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: of those situations where a guy like you girls, and
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: it just caused a whole lot of drama in paradise,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: but I just want to move through it. So all right, well,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: daniel I think you did clarify a lot and I
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: really appreciate you coming on. Oh yeah, of course, we
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: really And I know this. This sounds like we were
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: just and you're gonna if you listen to podcast, you're
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: gonna hear the beginning. And we started to talk and
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: we started to go to on a rabbit hole. We're like, hey,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: this isn't going anywhere good. It just sounds like we're
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: being critical. That's not fair to Danielle, and so we
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: need to figure out from her what exactly the meaning was.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: And that's why we called you, and it does. Thank
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: you for coming on Almost Famous podcast to to talk
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, of course, yeah, and thanks for letting
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: me explain. Hey, have a greg rest of the day
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: clarity on a subject that is public. You can come
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: to the Almost Famous podcast. Yeah, all right, Hey, thanks Danielle.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Of course, all right, thanks guys. Right, well, she's I mean,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: it's tough, right. Actually I listened to her and I
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: can hear that. You know, it's a hard situation. I
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: don't know if if she realized exactly it sounds like
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I guess she doesn't realize exactly what she posted when
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: she posted it until the reaction came out. Right. I
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: think at least she did admit that it was a
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: really ironic picture to choose for the messages trying to
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: convey that might be the whole thing here. It's a
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: poor picture choice, and we could probably pretty much leave
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: it at that. She knows that now, you know, she's
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: even talked about taking it down. She realizes it was
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: probably mistake. Um. But even if she did make a mistake,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: and this is what I don't want to ever communicate.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about daniel We'll talk about Vinnie's videos,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about Danielle on here. You know, we can
• 49:13
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• 49:15
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• 49:17
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• 49:20
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• 50:56
  Speaker 1: one of fastel Nation's longest running contest since um. He
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: has a lot of experience on these television shows. He
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: knows this world very well. In fact, he's been around
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: long enough to actually know in person our next Bachelor,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Ari Liondike. Hey, guys, this guy has a plaque like
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: he had a plaque um or like one of those
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: things like banners. You know how stadiums they have banners for,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: you know, to commemorate each Super Bowl or each World series.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: This guy had in his own banner because he's been
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: on five seasons of the Bachelor franchise, right, and he's
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: back for his first episode of the Almost Famous podcast.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Hey Chris, you're on Who the heck are you? Who
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: the heck are you? Well, you've been on the show
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: five times. We know who that you are. This is
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: this is true. What's going on? Guys? How you doing? Chris?
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Not too bad? No complaints? How about yourself doing well?
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on Almost Famous podcast. We have
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: one of our favorite segments is and It is titled
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: who the heck are you? For all of our listeners
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: to figure out you know who we're talking to you.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: You've been around for a long time, um, some of
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: our listeners and I might not have been born on
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: your first season of The Bachelor at but you have
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: an interesting perspective because you have been on five seasons
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: of this show and you know are upcoming Bachelor, And
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: so I want to start saying, I guess you know,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I'm more interested. I can't wait. I'm anxious. I want
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: to know about your season with Emily. That's how we
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: know you. You're on Emily Maynard season. What do you
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: think of Ari as a person? What do you think
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: of Ari as the Bachelor? And then I guess if
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: you can also in that little time talk about you know,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: how people might remember you? Yeah, sure, um, yeah, I
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: mean I'm pumped for already for the Bachelor. Um, you know,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: obviously he was on my season and uh you know
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: he was won the Final two and I was Final four,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: so we got to spend a lot of time together
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: and um, we actually room together when we were traveling
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: to just like let's know him real well, Um, no,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: he's you know he's a good guy. He's definitely there
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: print than I guess previous bachelor's. Um, you know, he's
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: he's um, he's definitely different. He's just he's witty and
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: he's kind of got like, um, are no better to see.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like trying to struggling. You know that was a
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Bachelor and Chris, Chris, I'm telling you, just be honest.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: I can take it. Don't be kind. You can you
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: can talk are up and talk me down. I'll just
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: sit here and listen. No, I mean that actually, I
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: mean are you know he's not your typical like he's
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: not like jacked or ripped or anything. You're not gonna
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: find like all these shirtless photos of him on Instagram
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: and stuff. He's just like cool, like smooth guy and uh,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: you know successful you know outside of you know the
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: bachelor world. You know you know his dad was his ari,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Lewin Dyke, so you know that's pretty cool. He's he's
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: a race car driver, um and just pretty down to earth.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: It doesn't really be wrong the push and he's he
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: he's an honest guy. That just um, you know I
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: have I really don't have any bad things to say
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: about him. Well, was the last time you had a
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: real full conversation with him that wasn't via text. Um,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: you know recently actually, because um, you know Michael Man's
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: from our season who who passed away. Um, are was
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: actually really close with him, and you know I knew
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Michael pretty well too, so we all kind of connected
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: after that, and you know, uh spoke about that a
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: little bit. So you're saying you don't have any insight
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: as to this girlfriend that he broke up with in June,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: who seems to have some pretty gnarly things to say
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: about him, which one, Um I actually did. I actually
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: did know one of his old girlfriends, Jenna. Um, but
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: that was that was a while ago when he was
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: um probably a couple of years ago. But no, I
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: feel like you know everyone you know once someone gets
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: chosen to be the batchelor. I don't know if that
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: happened for you, Ben, but I feel like, you know,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of girls kind of kind of come out
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: of the works, and um, you know, I mean I
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: don't I don't really know what the relationship was. But
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: if it wasn't serious, um, what's the big deal? I mean,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: the guys you know, I got chose to be the bachelor,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: so he's he's getting after it. Yeah, and they broke
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: up before he was even probably being considered so right.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's a big deal at all.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: She's she's probably just looking for some attention. Have you
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: ever been intimded by his kissing skills? He is the
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: kissing bandit, after all, I've intimidated. No. But it was
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: funny on my season because, um, I actually had the
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: first kiss with Emily, and you know, then he had
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: the next kiss and he was just like just eating
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: her face, just like owning it, and like I was
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: like super amateur compared to his his kissing skills. Um. So,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: I guess a little bit after after seeing that, Let's
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: take a thing here, all right, Chris, we have the
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: opportunity to talk to Ashley, and that's who I can
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: find in about my situations with with females. Um women?
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Um uh? Is that a good thing? Actually too? I
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: mean too he is known as a kissing bandit. I've
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: seen some videos of it. He seems fine at it.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure he's great, but he does faith
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: is that attracted at it? Um? I Like the thing
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: about Ari is that he's very lippy. He doesn't use
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: much tongue, which I prefer. We're gonna get really detailed.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: And he also is very slow to move in. He
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: knows exactly where to put his hand. It's all about
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: like his smooth motion going in for it. And I
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: wasn't like, I wasn't into our like I was into
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Jeff watching like that season, I was all about Jeff.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: But but Ari, I could not deny his smooth kissing skills.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Well you've really studied that. Huh. It's been a while
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: since I've even watched it. That's how vivid the memories are. Yeah, yeah,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: he's um. He's definitely I guess known for that, so
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: nothing could be worse. Yeah, But then as a girl,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: you think, wow, how many girls has he kissed that
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: he's perfected? This aren't like that? Well, I mean he's
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: thirty thirty six, so I guess he's probably had probably
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: had his run in with a few girls. Can you
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: give us, like, um, just a little bit of trivia knowledge,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: something interesting that you know about Aria? The general public
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: doesn't um a story from when you room together on
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Emily say. One thing that I really remember that was
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: kind of weird is like him and Jeff would cut
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: each other's hair, um, which was which was pretty interesting. Um,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: nothing really kind of out of the ordinary because as
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: you guys know, I mean we're just kind of like
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: locked up in hotel rooms and kind of it's just
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: pretty basic stuff. But he's a funny guy, I mean,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: very wee and and and uh, you know, just funny
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: in general. Well, oh my gosh, you just brought up
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Jeff and Ari and how they used to be such
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: good friends. You No, I have to ask what was
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: the fallout all about? You know, I honestly don't really
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: know the exact details. But yeah, like I said, when
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: we were trying, it was pretty much the three of
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: us that would ruin together, and they were like inseparable, um,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: even you know, right after the show, and I'm guessing
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: you had to probably do something with I don't know,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Jeff spending up with Emily and something going on there.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: But um, you know, I know they were both at
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: um I believe it was Seawan and Katherine's letting UM,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: and I believe they were at John Wilsoner's letting as well.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, Um, like I've seen Jeff a
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: couple of times recently out in l A. Um, I
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: really don't really know the details uh with that, do
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: you guys know? I have no idea. I love to know.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: They were so oddly close for too final too, you know,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: the final four as close usually, but when you get
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: down stard final two, there's always a bit of hostility.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: But it didn't seem like that between the two of them,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: even when Jeff was engaged to Emily. But I do
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: believe I would just assume that between the two of them.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: I bet you that that riffs came from a girl.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Oh for sure, it has to be. It has to
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: be that. Um yeah, I don't I don't really know
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: what the details on that, but it's um definitely something
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: that we're probably gonna find out eventually. I would imagine.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: What's interesting is that season. Your season was five years
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: ago and it's still one of the ones that I
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: remember most clearly, and it's still ones where we still
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: have some names from it. We have Ari, Jeff, you
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: and Sean. Interesting, right, but you don't remember and I
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: don't remember anyone from Ashley's season or from Desert season. Um, yeah,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: that's that's true. I guess you know, Um, you know
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I've been on like five shows after that. I think
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I was really the only one you know that wasn't
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: that was kind of on like some of the spinoffs
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: that didn't end up being in The Bachelor Obviously, Sean
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: was the Bachelor right away, now Aris the Bachelor, and
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Jeff was, you know, the winner. Um so yeah. Other
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: than that, you know, I don't really remember a lot
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: of people from the other seasons either. I guess I've
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: come up with so many questions for you in this
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: amount of time. Um, why do you think that Ari
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: has never done a spinoff, never done Paradise. That's a
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: good question. Um. I know he felt pretty jaded because
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: I feel like he had the opportunity to be the
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Bachelor and I actually asked him to be the Bachelor
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: who season my season, Christal season? Oh really all right, right, yeah,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: he had some pretty good jokes on that. I was good, um,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: and um so I think after that he just like,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: screw it. I don't really remember them, you know, hum
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: really talking about them asking him to be on one
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: of the spinoffs. I know Jeff was always talking about,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: you know, possibly going on one of the one of
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: the spinoffs that Jeff wasn't wasn't really desired for that role.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Any whole other topic. We do need to have Jeff
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Home on here one day. Jeff, this is me begging you.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: I used to have a hardcore crush on you. Would
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: love to talk to you and have you in studio
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: one day. Anyway, Chris, thank you so much for being
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: on here, and um, congratulations for being somebody in the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Bachelor Hall of Fame. Did we ask Christy as a
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: girlfriend now? Chris? Chris, do you have a girlfriend? Now?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: I feel I just we It's a tough one because
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: we're just Um, I was getting someone for like two
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: years and we just kind of broke it off like
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: a month ago. So it's a it's an interesting time
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: for me. Um, So I guess the inswer that would
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: you know? Well? I mean this, This is one thing
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: we can take from this is it's never too late, Chris.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: And so if you can be the bachelor, you're single.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Who knows what happens next year, we could be seeing
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: you as the next bachelor. Crazy. It's in my five
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: year plans, So I got It's awesome. Man. Well, hey,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the day. Of course,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: thanks for having me. That guy is then a round
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: a while, and as you said, actually it is kind
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: of odd that we remember so many people from emly season.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: But he makes a good point, right, you had. Sean
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: is a bachelor, the most beloved bachelor of all time
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: who marries Uh, Katherine, you have. I do think that
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: you and Sean are tied for most beloved bachelor. You,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: of course, I truly believe Fire far higher on the scale,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: but I know that in the general population's eyes, you're
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: about tied. Well, you're a very biased uh listener to
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: and fans, so um, but there's a lot of people,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: and it was a great season, um, with a lot
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: of big names. Actually, I am so excited for this
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: weekend and and I want to tell a listener is
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: exactly what we're gonna be doing. So I get to
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: spend another weekend with Ashley I, which I'm telling you,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: when you have to spend a weekend with s I,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: it's always a blast. We're not only gonna be with
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Ashley I. Uh, We're gonna have a couple of other
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: bachelor people with us in Vegas for the I Heeart Festival. Obviously,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: this is a I Heeart podcast, so we're go about
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: the Vegas support my heart, listen to some great mu
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: zick um. But actually we have a couple of ideas
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: on things that might happen to my heart. Who's gonna
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: get married, who's gonna get arrested, and who's just gonna
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: fall in love? Okay, well, I have so many ideas.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: We have quite the crew. It's gonna be me, Ben, Becca, Dean,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: Peter meeting Peter for the first time, very exciting, and Wells,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: who also is part of our I Heart Radio family. Um,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: you guys, there's that little white chapel there. Would love
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: to marry one of them there, but I have to
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: say the person I'm going to bring over there the
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: first choice. My first choice would be Harry Styles. But
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: how funny would because Harry is going to be there,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: How funny would it be if Ben and I came
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: on the podcast next week and we were married? Wait?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: You and I? Yeah, what if we were married this weekend?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: That sounds awesome? That sounds really really great. You know. Actually,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: I am um ordained in Nevada, in Vegas. I've married
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: people based on it. On my season The Bachelor. Becca
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: and I actually were able to marry people in Vegas,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: the Little White Chapel, So Ashley, if next week your
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: last name's Higgins and this whole new podcast changes in
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: such a positive way. Oh my god, how cute the
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: van and I see Higgins show. Uh. Um. And one
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: thing I want to give a shout out to is
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: uh Miley Cyrus is going to be a I Heeart
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: festival um this weekend. And and Miley has been one
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: of my favorite entertainers for a long time and and
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: and in short, I want to hear a quick story.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: So I did a Humanitian hope fundraiser with Fierce forty five.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: That's a gym in Denver here a few weeks ago.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: And part of that fundraiser there's a silent auction and
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: one of the item auction items were was a date
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: with me um, which is ridiculous, but it's for charity
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: and it's all great and too wonderful. Girl's been on
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: it and and actually uh mought the date with me well.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Um through some events, the one girl said, hey, Ben,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: if you can find us a Miley Cyrus autograph, um,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: it will replace us going out to dinner. I would
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: rather have a Miley Cyrus petograph and so I reached
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: out to Brandy Cyrus and Wells because Brandy and Wells
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: are friends, they reached out to Miley. Miley actually within
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: a week, I'm not kidding you, within a week sent
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: a magazine UM with a signature on it from Miley
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: signed it twice UM to this young lady UM to
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: support a foundation that I care a ton about. So
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: I want to give Miley a shout out right now
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: on this podcast and Brandy and well and say thank
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: you all for supporting me and I hope united and
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: also just doing some charity work but making it fun.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: And so this girl is so excited for this autograph.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: I'm excited because now I have a free night that
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to dinner. UM. But I want to
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  Speaker 1: take this time to say, hey, I cannot wait to
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  Speaker 1: watch Miley this week and I'm gonna be her biggest
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  Speaker 1: fan UM because of what she's done for me. So Miley,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. UM. And in addition to this week, Ashley
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  Speaker 1: and I are saying in some pretty sweet digs at
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  Speaker 1: the Planet Hollywood Resort and Casino. Planet Hollywood Resort and
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  Speaker 1: Casino is actually now a sponsor of this pod cast
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  Speaker 1: and we are ecstatic about it. I mean, how cool
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  Speaker 1: is this? So let me read you what Planet Hollywood
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  Speaker 1: is all about. The Planet Planet Hollywood Resort Casino is
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  Speaker 1: celebrating ten years with all new rooms and suits. Stay
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  Speaker 1: in a bright, contemporary altra hip, which is what I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to consider myself room, or upgrade to a spacious
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  Speaker 1: suite with panoramic views of the Las Vegas trip. Whatever
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  Speaker 1: room you choose, you'll feel like a Hollywood v I P.
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  Speaker 1: You might actually feel almost famous. Gordon Ramsey's Burger a
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  Speaker 1: casual burger joint that all that has always fresh and
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  Speaker 1: is always energetic. Look for the thirty foot firewall or
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  Speaker 1: Florida ceiling keg display and prepare for the kind of
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  Speaker 1: dining experience that only Gordon Ramsey can deliver. Planet Hollywood's
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  Speaker 1: Access Theater is home to the hottest resident headliners on
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  Speaker 1: the strip. This is the place to see blockbuster shows
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  Speaker 1: like Jennifer Lopez, Backstreet Boys, How Britney Spears, My Brittney
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  Speaker 1: and I grew up to get Lionel Ritchie. Hollywood six
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  Speaker 1: floor Pool Deck features all new cabanas, great entertainment, the
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  Speaker 1: the rapper, but the flow writer wave machine, and of
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  Speaker 1: course great views of the Las Vegas Strip. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: blast this weekend. We'll tell you all about it when
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: we get back on the next podcast. Actually, I and
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  Speaker 1: myself will be in Vegas this weekend at the I
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  Speaker 1: Heart Festival. Make sure you tune in and watch. We'll
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  Speaker 1: see you there. Yeah, and guys, UM, I was actually
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  Speaker 1: staying at Planet at Hollywood when I wanted to see
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  Speaker 1: the Backstree boys in June and these new suites they
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  Speaker 1: really are their bomb dot com and I can't wait
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: to stay on one again. UM. Also been talking about
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: the good stuff that Miley did, I just want to
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  Speaker 1: give it out a little Charlotte shout. Miley. I thought
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  Speaker 1: that she's always been like the coolest, kindest hearted person.
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  Speaker 1: And I've never met her, but even when she's going
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  Speaker 1: through her wild rebel phase, I was like, this girl
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  Speaker 1: has a good heart. I like her. I've always liked her. UM.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: But speaking of like doing things for charity, UM, I
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  Speaker 1: did want to give a little shout out to something
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  Speaker 1: that a couple of us bachelor peeps are doing for
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  Speaker 1: if only UM. We're trying to help the victims of
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  Speaker 1: both hurricanes Harvey and Irma. So we're raising money by
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  Speaker 1: throwing the greatest bachelor day of your lives. It's a raffle, So,
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  Speaker 1: um amy, how do we get them to the link
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  Speaker 1: to if Only dot com slash Bachelor. Okay, so if
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  Speaker 1: only dot com slash Bachelor, you're going to see the
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  Speaker 1: day that we have put together. First, you're gonna go
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  Speaker 1: shopping with Amanda stand then you're gonna have lunch with
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  Speaker 1: me and Becca, and then you're gonna go on a
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  Speaker 1: two on one drink and appetizer date with Nick and Dean,
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  Speaker 1: and then you're gonna hang out with us all at
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  Speaker 1: a Jason Al Dean concert. So if you are interested
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  Speaker 1: in having this ultimate bachelor day, then go to if
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  Speaker 1: only dot com slash Bachelor and just enter to win
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  Speaker 1: the raffle. You know, you put as many raffle tickets,
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  Speaker 1: donate as much as you want. The more you donate,
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  Speaker 1: the high chance of winning. And the day that we
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  Speaker 1: will be hanging out with the winner is October six.
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  Speaker 1: Here in l A. We are setting up hotel and
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  Speaker 1: airfare for the winner as well, so please go check
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  Speaker 1: that out. All right, um one reader email let one? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this one's kind of funny. So it's from Liz, and
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: she goes, hi been And actually my question for both
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  Speaker 1: of you is how do you get over someone you've
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: dated and have invested so much time in and hoping
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: that it will work and it just wasn't reciprocated in
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  Speaker 1: the end. I feel like it's so difficult because they
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: were a huge part of your life and now all
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: of a sudden they aren't there anymore. Do you have
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  Speaker 1: any advice or words of wisdom for dealing with loneliness
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  Speaker 1: or rejection? I really don't, because guys, I just nope. Um,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: I just stay attached to them for a very very
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: long time. And all I can say is that I
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: think the way to get over someone is just finding
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  Speaker 1: someone new. I normally don't get over the personal. I
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: find somebody now. Oh. Actually, I might have to disagree
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  Speaker 1: with you on that. I'm not saying it's the boy
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  Speaker 1: to be. I'm just saying that that's how I am.
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  Speaker 1: What about you? Uh? You know you again, I'll say.
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  Speaker 1: And I think I saw a tweet this last week
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: it says, Ben, you always pump actually up so much
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: as getting awkward. Well, dang it, I'm going to get awkward,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: then I'll be awkward every podcast. If that's could it takes.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Um you do you just actually, I know, I know
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  Speaker 1: you have a heart that doesn't leave easily, which is
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: respectful and an admirable UM, I feel similar, I guess
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: in the sen sense of I don't have as big
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: as hearts as you do. Please now you're listen, listen, listen.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: So the email says something there that that I think
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  Speaker 1: spot on the hardest part about a breakup, at least
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: in my circumstances, the fact that you have somebody there
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: beside you, your partner, your your your partner in crime,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: your lover, you know, and then all of a sudden
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: they're gone. They're gone, and they're out of your life
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: and there and there's it's not exactly appropriate to keep communication,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: it's not exactly appropriate to keep a relationship because it's
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: hard and stuff and it's lonely. Um, that's difficult. And
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: my advice to that is allowed to be difficult. And
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like that doesn't sound like the best advice.
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  Speaker 1: But feel that moment, feel that time, feel feel why
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  Speaker 1: it's so hard, and I believe that through the loneliness
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  Speaker 1: you will get to know yourself better, that you will
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  Speaker 1: get to be stronger as a person, that you will
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  Speaker 1: become less dependent on others and more dependent on where
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: you're at with yourself and with your faith and with
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: your relationships. Um, with whatever you know, faith you have
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: you know for me, I leaned on God a lot
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: during that time. UM. But with your family, relationship, with
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: your family, lean on those things. UM. I've always said
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: is in the best relationships, right, And I think we
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: forget this sometimes, and it's so easy to cross over.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: It's so easy to become codependent with your partner. And
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: I think when you become codependent, when you lose that person,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: if you happen to lose them, then you've lost a
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: huge piece of yourself. But instead, if you're walking in
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: parallel in relationships, if you're if you're just solid partners
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: with each other, that you're not dependent, then when you
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: lose that person, you can look back and say, hey,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: I've learned a lot, this is a great experience, um,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: And now I have to find myself outside of this relationship.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: So my en shure, I would say breakups are terrible,
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  Speaker 1: they're hard, they're ugly. There's not a lot of great
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: there's not a lot of great ways to do them.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: They're going to hurt, um, allow them to hurt, but
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: don't let that pain paralyze you. UM. And that's how
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: I get over its. Continue to find yourself in an
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: in a process that can feel dark sometimes. And also
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: remember you're not alone. UM. There's a lot of other
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: people out there, including myself, including Nashley UM, who have
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: dealt with breakups before as well. Um, you're not an anomaly,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: you know, you're You're still lovable. I've been had to
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: be told it a lot, but you're still lovable girl. UM,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: so so so so never forget that. Um, Actually you're
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: very lovable. Well, thank you. But there is one little
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: thing I wanted to mention in the email. It's such
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: a brief emale, but there's so much to say about it.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: It is that the death of the day dreams of
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: your future, you know what I mean, Like those daydreams
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: that you have for your future. It's not just losing
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: the person that you're within the moment, it's also losing
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: all those day dreams and all the things that you
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: hope to happen with that person one day. And that
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: is part of that's I think that's the hard part,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: is just having to let those dreams die. The fantasy
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: has to fade at some point. Um. But hey, we're
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: not fading. We're fading right in the Vegas this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with another Almost Famous podcast.
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  Speaker 1: This is season three, Episode one, We're a Rap. I've
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: been been, I've been Ashley. Thanks for joining us. We
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: love you. Keep the tweets coming, well, I like you,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: but yeah, all right. Follow the Benn and Ashley I
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