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Episode 17, Season 2: Restoring Human Decency: Choosing Kindness in a Divided World · The Dr. Sarah Hensley Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Love Dog Podcast. I'm your co host
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, hey, how are you?
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  Speaker 4: I'm sad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, today is a tough day. Today's September eleventh, which
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  Speaker 3: is always a sad.
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  Speaker 4: Day, sad day.
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  Speaker 3: For people who lived through that.
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  Speaker 1: But also, you know, in the aftermath of what happened
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  Speaker 1: yesterday and the assassination of Charlie Kirk, we are also really,
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  Speaker 1: really sad, and so we're approaching this episode with caution,
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  Speaker 1: but also with wanting to speak about truth and mostly
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  Speaker 1: about human decency.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we had another school shooting, we had beautiful,
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  Speaker 2: innocent woman murdered riding the subway in Charlotte, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: just I'm sick, and I'm fed up with it. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I'm fed up with the violence in this world. I'm
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  Speaker 2: fed up with the hateful rhetoric. I'm fed up with division.
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  Speaker 2: We have completely lost our way and have forgotten that
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  Speaker 2: we are all united under humanity. We are all human,
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  Speaker 2: and we've lost our way completely. I feel like and
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  Speaker 2: I won't participate in fear. I do feel sad today
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  Speaker 2: because of a lot of what I've seen online. And
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  Speaker 2: so you know, guys, when Rain and I decided to
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  Speaker 2: drop this episode after last night's events, So Charlie Kirk
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  Speaker 2: was murdered last night. The point of this conversation is
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  Speaker 2: to remember that at the end of the day, there
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  Speaker 2: are two little children that have to go on without
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  Speaker 2: their father. And as someone who has personally experienced something
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  Speaker 2: tragic like this, not obviously, you know, my eccident die
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  Speaker 2: in front of my girls, that makes this an ultra tragedy,
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  Speaker 2: but the fact that they have to somehow navigate life
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  Speaker 2: now after something this horrific happened right in front of
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  Speaker 2: their face, it just should bring every person to their
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  Speaker 2: knees of why we can't just disagree without having to
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  Speaker 2: see such violence in response to free speech. Yes, it's
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  Speaker 2: we've lost our minds.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's you know, And this was sort of
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  Speaker 1: my point yesterday and speaking to you know, the people
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  Speaker 1: I love the most, because I think it's just pretty
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  Speaker 1: automatic that when something like this, this big of a
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  Speaker 1: tragedy happens. And listen, guys, again, tragedies like this happen all.
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  Speaker 2: All day day, all over the place, and it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: discount those tragedies. I think when we start the conversation
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  Speaker 2: by saying, well, you know, what about the forty thousand
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  Speaker 2: children over here that died, or what about what's going
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  Speaker 2: on in Africa or what we know it's all terrible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not an argument of what's worse. It's all bad.
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  Speaker 1: It's all bad, it's all bad. It's just that when
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  Speaker 1: someone is killed for speaking out on what they believe in,
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  Speaker 1: then it becomes this humanity threat of really jeopardizing our
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  Speaker 1: freedoms and again for whatever he stood for, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I like you could you could think that
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  Speaker 1: maybe he was radical, but I'm sure people thought Martin
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  Speaker 1: Luther King.
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  Speaker 3: Was radical and JFK was radical.
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  Speaker 1: And like, the only way I can describe how I
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  Speaker 1: felt yesterday and today is how I would imagine people
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  Speaker 1: felt when Martin Luther King was assassinated or when JFK
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  Speaker 1: was assassinated, where you just feel this overall sense of hopelessness,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for humanity. But again, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: stay there. That's not what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Talked about hopeless. Yeah, yeah, so we're not going to
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  Speaker 2: stay and hopeless.
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  Speaker 3: It's not it's not hopeless.
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  Speaker 1: And but you can't help but have this flood of
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  Speaker 1: overwhelming feeling for just the the overall well being of
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  Speaker 1: humanity and our children and our children's children and what
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  Speaker 1: it will be, you know, generations from now. And and
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  Speaker 1: so I think what I'm trying to emphasize here is that,
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  Speaker 1: or what Sarah and I both are really trying to
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  Speaker 1: emphasize is how can we take this horrific thing that
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  Speaker 1: happened and all the horrific things that happened and allow
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  Speaker 1: it to bring us together instead of divide us.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I think that you know, a house divide in falls, right,
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  Speaker 2: and so.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how to heal the division in our nation.
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  Speaker 2: Politics is such a heated issue psychologically because politics are
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  Speaker 2: tied to your values, and your values are tied to
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  Speaker 2: your mortality. So there's a theory in psychology, and I
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  Speaker 2: think I've talked about it before on the pod called
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  Speaker 2: terror management.
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  Speaker 3: Theory we're talking about again, Yeah, where.
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  Speaker 2: When your values are threatened, especially your cultural values, it
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  Speaker 2: actually subconsciously primes people for death, making them think subconsciously
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  Speaker 2: about death. And so the reason that people get so
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  Speaker 2: heated over politics is because their identity, therefore their survival,
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  Speaker 2: their legacy essentially is threatened. And we're losing sight over
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  Speaker 2: the fact that human suffering can be a political conversation,
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  Speaker 2: but it should never be an opportunity to spike the
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  Speaker 2: football and make a political point. Right, Can we use
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  Speaker 2: these things to shape policy or can we use these
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  Speaker 2: things to have discourse, yes, but when you're using someone's
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  Speaker 2: unimaginable tragedy as a way to do a glory dance,
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  Speaker 2: that sickens me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't.
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  Speaker 4: It sickens me.
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  Speaker 3: I can't.
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  Speaker 2: And then the failed attempts to see the hypocrisy. So
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  Speaker 2: I get it that you may really dislike Charlie Kirk.
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  Speaker 2: That is your right as an American to dislike him
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  Speaker 2: and to think what he said is not okay. You
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  Speaker 2: can think his rhetoric was harmful and still not celebrate
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  Speaker 2: his murder. Absolutely, And so that's where I'm stuck because
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  Speaker 2: I made a post today.
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  Speaker 4: Of course I just couldn't stay silent.
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  Speaker 2: God is like, I did not give you this platform
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  Speaker 2: to stay silent, and I'm like, oh God, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to be political. And I already know that the
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  Speaker 2: last couple episodes have been very spiritual and that people,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sometimes leave us comments that they don't want
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  Speaker 2: to hear that, and that's fine.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not for you then.
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  Speaker 2: Because my faith is always, probably in some way, shape
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  Speaker 2: or form, going to be part of a conversation, maybe
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  Speaker 2: not in every single episode, but in a lot of episodes,
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  Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to sit in judgment against you. I'm going to sit
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  Speaker 2: in judgment against Jesus Christ and his teachings' that's.
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  Speaker 4: How I view the world.
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  Speaker 2: So my loyalty and my idol is is Jesus, It's
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  Speaker 2: not anybody else. So if you hate me for talking
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  Speaker 2: about God, that's fine, or if you just don't want
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  Speaker 2: to hear it, Like if you just don't want to
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  Speaker 2: hear it, that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: But this is an episode, I think where it's absolutely mandatory.
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  Speaker 2: If you hated Charlie Kirk or you love Charlie Kirk,
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  Speaker 2: you're welcome here, and we want you part of this
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  Speaker 2: conversation because the conversation should not be about what did
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  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk stand for. It should be about our right
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  Speaker 2: to speak our values and beliefs without fear of retribution,
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  Speaker 2: without fear of losing your life. And when we have
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  Speaker 2: political violence in a country, that's when a country stops
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  Speaker 2: becoming safe and stops speaking coming free. And I feel
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  Speaker 2: like we're sort of teetering on the edge. We cannot
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  Speaker 2: suppress speech, we cannot suppress freedom of religion, we cannot
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  Speaker 2: suppress any ideals or values. And I'm sorry, but in America.
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  Speaker 2: You have the right to be wrong. You have the
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  Speaker 2: right to say things that piss people off. You have
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  Speaker 2: a right to believe in whatever religion you believe in.
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  Speaker 4: You have a right.
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  Speaker 2: And the right to life is in the Declaration of Independence.
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  Speaker 2: It's the first right as when we established this nation.
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  Speaker 2: And then when it's taken away, we're not free, We're pressed.
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  Speaker 2: And I am the last person to take on oppression.
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  Speaker 2: I promise you that. But it's scary that people can
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  Speaker 2: be so angry that they're just overtaken by the demonic
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  Speaker 2: and then the people that are losing sight over the
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  Speaker 2: fact that this was a human being who has children.
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  Speaker 4: And who had and who was young, and who was young.
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  Speaker 2: Again, if this person was on the left and saying,
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  Speaker 2: you know, things that the other side disagreed with, I
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  Speaker 2: would really hope that if that person was murdered, everybody
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  Speaker 2: would still have the same exact viewpoint that that was
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  Speaker 2: wrong and that's a tragedy and that's not okay to endorse.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't care who it is. I can't
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  Speaker 2: endorse a gruesome murder.
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  Speaker 3: No one deserves to die for believing in what they
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  Speaker 3: believe in, plain and simple, period.
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  Speaker 4: It is.
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  Speaker 3: It is that simple.
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  Speaker 1: And even I think the people maybe I know there
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  Speaker 1: are some people like celebrating, which is just beyond me.
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  Speaker 1: But even the people that have the I don't care
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  Speaker 1: mentality sickens me as well.
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  Speaker 5: Because you should absolutely care, because regardless of where you
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  Speaker 5: stand politically, this is a threat to your freedoms and
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  Speaker 5: it's a threat to us all and and and this
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  Speaker 5: is my argument.
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  Speaker 1: And why I not argument. I don't want to use
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  Speaker 1: that word. I don't even like that word. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: my point in you know, is that that's not what
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  Speaker 1: it's about. It's it's about understanding that what you just said, Sarah,
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  Speaker 1: as as a race, as as as a human being,
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  Speaker 1: you are given God given rights and you shouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: afraid to lose those because you simply speak out about them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what's what's interesting, And in Jesus name,
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  Speaker 2: I pray this doesn't piss people off. But what's interesting
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  Speaker 2: is that we talk about silent privilege a lot right,
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  Speaker 2: silent privilege, privilege that we may have as being you know,
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  Speaker 2: a certain skin called or having a certain socioeconomic status
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  Speaker 2: or whatnot. Those things, those conversations have validity, but we
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  Speaker 2: also have some American silent privilege. There is privilege being
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  Speaker 2: an American that a lot of people don't recognize. You know,
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  Speaker 2: my husband was in the army for eleven years. He
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  Speaker 2: almost died in Afghanistan, almost lost his life, met of
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  Speaker 2: Act into Germany and multiple surgeries, brain injury, spinal surgery.
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  Speaker 2: You know, his history is very tragic but also had
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  Speaker 2: a beautiful ending to it. But there are people that
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  Speaker 2: lose their lives fighting for the right for us to
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  Speaker 2: speak out about what we believe in without being imprisoned,
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  Speaker 2: without being murdered, and that is fading.
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  Speaker 4: It's slipping, it seems.
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  Speaker 2: And also the reason we don't have ground wars in
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  Speaker 2: the US is because of the Second Amens And I
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  Speaker 2: hate to say that because I know it's going to
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  Speaker 2: piss people off. Does that mean I'm not for gun
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  Speaker 2: control and like smart gun laws. Absolutely, I'm for smart
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  Speaker 2: gun laws. I don't want to see another school shooting.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't have the answer. I'm not saying I do.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have the answer. But also, when we think
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  Speaker 2: about freedom and we think about safety, the reason that
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  Speaker 2: we don't have people from Russia or China dropping out
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  Speaker 2: of the sky in airplanes coming into your home to
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  Speaker 2: murder your family is because of you know, we can
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  Speaker 2: quote Admiral Yamamoto, which it's debated if he actually said
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  Speaker 2: this or not, but he said, we can't have we
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  Speaker 2: can't invade the American homeland because there's a gun under
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  Speaker 2: every blade of grass. And so I think American privilege
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  Speaker 2: that is unrecognized is going to sleep at night and
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  Speaker 2: not worrying about a foreign invasion on your homeland that
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  Speaker 2: could kill half of our country is because as we are,
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  Speaker 2: one of the only countries in the world that allows
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  Speaker 2: us to bear arms.
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  Speaker 4: So if that makes people mad, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with you when I hear you say, but people
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  Speaker 2: kids are dying, I get it, and I don't want
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  Speaker 2: kids to die, and I want there to be an answer.
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  Speaker 2: I think more people are aligned in the middle, common
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  Speaker 2: ground than we hear about on the news. I think
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  Speaker 2: the majority of Americans are for common sense gun control.
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  Speaker 2: I think the majority of Americans believe in free speech.
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  Speaker 2: I think the majority of Americans think that what happened
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  Speaker 2: to Charlie Kirk is an insane, disgusting tragedy, right, But
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  Speaker 2: it's it's the media's ability to make viral, all of
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  Speaker 2: the outlier voices right that are celebrating Charlie Kirk's death,
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  Speaker 2: or the outlier voices that our hate and that are divisive.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that that's the majority of us.
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  Speaker 2: And I hope that my audience listening today, whether you're
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  Speaker 2: on the left or on the right, can come together
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  Speaker 2: and say, I think we're a little bit more aligned
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  Speaker 2: in our values. Then we are led to believe at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day, and we are given two
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  Speaker 2: people to choose from at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: two people. It's not like we're giving fifty people to
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  Speaker 2: choose from. And you can be like, well, I'm really
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  Speaker 2: questioning your choice here. We're given two. And so I
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  Speaker 2: don't fall to anybody for making one choice or the other.
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  Speaker 4: I really don't.
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  Speaker 2: I have no judgment to people, no matter who you
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  Speaker 2: choose to vote for, no matter what side of the
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  Speaker 2: political aisle you are on, because I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Really fit them.
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  Speaker 2: Mold. So I can see, you know, positive aspects of
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  Speaker 2: both sides, and I can see negative aspects of both sides.
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  Speaker 2: But what I can't see any positive in is celebrate
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  Speaker 2: a tragic death that occurred in front of their family.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and young and young people's lives. I mean, there
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  Speaker 1: were tons of college students, and yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I can't I can't see a positive in that scenario
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  Speaker 2: at all. It will even if everything out of his
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  Speaker 2: mouth you said was evil. We don't fight evil with evil.
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  Speaker 2: An eye for an eye leaves both people blind, That's right.
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  Speaker 2: And Jesus commanded to love that enemy. He commanded it.
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  Speaker 2: And I had somebody on my TikTok this morning, and
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  Speaker 2: my TikTok this morning was about how if you, if
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  Speaker 2: you haven't had to look your kid in the eye
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  Speaker 2: and tell them that their father was dead, maybe we
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  Speaker 2: should Maybe you should not take part in this discussion
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  Speaker 2: because I've had to do that, and it's a level
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  Speaker 2: of pain and a level of trauma that honestly, most
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  Speaker 2: people can't really comprehend. And can we not see some
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  Speaker 2: humanity in the fact that there's a woman who's going
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  Speaker 2: to have to try to explain to her two children
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  Speaker 2: what they saw and their brains and their nervous systems
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  Speaker 2: will never be the same ember again and.
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  Speaker 3: Then live their whole lives never knowing that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so why are we celebrating childhood trauma? Why are
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  Speaker 2: we celebrating that. I just can't get on board with that,
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  Speaker 2: and I would like to believe that everybody that's listening
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  Speaker 2: today can at least go, yeah, you know what, You're right.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I didn't love what he had to say. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: I thought, you know, he's spewed hate. That's your right
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  Speaker 2: to believe that, that's your right. I'm not arguing with
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  Speaker 2: your your belief system here. I'm arguing with the fact
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  Speaker 2: that you believe that he should die over it if
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  Speaker 2: you do, or that he deserved to me, that you
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  Speaker 2: don't care magically murdered, or that if you simply don't care.
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  Speaker 2: We should care about all loss of life of the innocent.
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  Speaker 4: We should care about that.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about these about
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  Speaker 1: the mental illness that you feel in your opinion, right
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  Speaker 1: in your professional opinion, about what leads people down this
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  Speaker 1: road to go to a place like the person who
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  Speaker 1: did this to Charlie Kirk did.
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  Speaker 2: First and foremost, I think anybody that did this is
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  Speaker 2: demonically oppressed. It's an oppression from the demonic And this
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  Speaker 2: is a spiritual world, guys. This is a spiritual battle.
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  Speaker 2: It's not between flesh and blood. It's against good and evil,
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  Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, I think the
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  Speaker 2: devil's voice is first he's a liar, but he's very convincing.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it starts with fear, and it starts
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  Speaker 2: with victimization. I'm afraid of what you have to say,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm a victim, and so the only way I
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  Speaker 2: cannot be a victim is to silence you. And that
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  Speaker 2: is the devil's playground, because, like we said in a
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  Speaker 2: couple episodes ago, fear's opposite of faith. And then victimization
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  Speaker 2: is the super glue to hell. If you are determined
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  Speaker 2: to stay oppressed and you believe there's nothing that can
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  Speaker 2: be about it, you will stay oppressed.
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  Speaker 4: There's no other road.
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  Speaker 2: I'm oppressed and I can't get out of it, Well,
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  Speaker 2: then you're going to give up.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's what these people do.
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  Speaker 2: I think they get to a point of sheer desperation
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  Speaker 2: because they're overcome with fear and they're overcome with self
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  Speaker 2: pity and oppression, and they don't believe that their actions matter,
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  Speaker 2: and they believe they have to go all the way
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  Speaker 2: to this drastic action to matter, and nothing could be
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  Speaker 2: further from the truth. Every little act of kindness you
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  Speaker 2: put out into the world matters. The smallest act of kindness,
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  Speaker 2: holding the door open for somebody matters, speaking life into somebody.
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  Speaker 2: When somebody you compliment them, you have no idea what
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  Speaker 2: people are facing every day in their lives. And to
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  Speaker 2: be so callous, and to be so to look at
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  Speaker 2: people with such disdain is selfish and it's entitled, and
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  Speaker 2: it's the opposite of what Jesus taught. I think we
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: need to go about our world looking for as many
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: ways to be kind and helpful, but also truthful as possible.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I think love means telling the truth. I tell my
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: clients all the time. In conflict resolution, your job is
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: to speak your truth, but to have empathy for your partner.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Nobody is asking you to abandon your reality in favor
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: of someone else's. That's dangerous.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: You don't have to agree.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: You don't have to agree, and this is what I
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: teach in conflict resolution. You do not have to agree
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: with your partner. Let's just pretend you said something to
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: me that I didn't like. I was like, well, that
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: was rude. Like in my brain, I'm like, I didn't
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: like that. I have some options here. I can snap
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: back at you and be rude or mean back to you,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: or I can go Hold on a second, I don't
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: love what she said, And how do I want to
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: handle this with love?
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: How do I want to handle this with respect?
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Because I can't control you and what you just said, right,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: But I can control me and what I put out
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: into the world. And I'm determined to put love out
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: into the world. Right, So I can handle you back
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: with love or I can handle you back with hate.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I can And so this is what I don't understand
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: about the whole Charlie Kirk argument. A lot of people
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: were posting on not a lot some we're posting on
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: my post like quotes from Charlie Kirk about how he
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: didn't like the word empathy. So then they're like, so
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to give him any empathy because he
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: said he doesn't believe in empathy. I'm like, hold on
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: a second, this looks like hypocrisy to me. You're saying
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: you're mad at him because he doesn't like the word empathy,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: so you're going to stoop to the level you believe
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: he's at to prove a point and not have empathy.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: You say not having empathy is bad, so you're going
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: to prove that point by not having empathy. Right, Yeah,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: that's quite it's completely hypocritical. Same thing with the gun argument. Well,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: live by the Sorba, Dad by the sord He didn't
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: want gun control? Yeah, well, first of all, I think
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: most Americans do want some form of gun control. We
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: don't want just everybody in the world to just have,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: you know, unlimited access to guns. I think there are
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: there's a middle ground between having no guns and having
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: unrestricted guns. Right, there's a middle freaking ground there, and
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I think most of us are like wanting to try
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: to find where that is. But if you are, your
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: like die on the hill? Is gun violence?
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. It's a huge problem, and I
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: want to see it fixed too. I don't want anybody
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: to die by gun violence. Then why are you celebrating
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: a death by gun violence?
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Exactly?
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: This makes no freaking sense to me. Yeah, get the
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: log out of your eye. Okay, get the log.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: And I mean one of the tragedies that happened this
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: weekend didn't even involve gun a gun.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: No, somebody was stabbed in the neck.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Look, Timothy McVeigh blew up a whole building and killed children,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and killed hundreds or thousands of people in the Oklahoma
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: City bombing.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just the tool.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: It's just a tool at the end of the day.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, we have to have some laws that govern a
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: deadly tool, I believe some degree, but we have.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: To get it. It is a right.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: It is a right too, and so we have to
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: be careful when we start restricting rights. We have to
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: be careful that's right, and what those restrictions look like.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: There's a middle ground here.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Well, and there's a deeper root calls, right.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: There's a deeper root calls, which is the demonic evil
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: in the world where fallen world people. It's been fallen
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: since the day that Eve ate the apple. There's always
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: going to be suffering. There's always going to be human tragedy.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: But it's when we become complacent about it and we
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: start to say, well, this tragedy matters, but this one doesn't,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Or that tragedy matters but this one doesn't. All the
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: tragedies matter, And no, we don't need to be making
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: everything political. We're also allowed to have some sanity and
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: to disengage. It's another conversation they're trying to cancel Taylor
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Swift now because she's not using her platform right in
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: this season of her life to speak about politics. And
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, GESU all, please people. She not allowed
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: to be engaged and plan her wedding.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: She's not allowed to be human. I suppose.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I think. I think we just see fair and I
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: think that's at the essence of this is we dehumanize
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: people so badly all the time. We dehumanize them when
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: they disagree with us, We dehumanize them when they vote
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: on the other side of the aisle. We dehumanize them
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: when there's tragedy and we make it political. We use
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: it as a chance to spike the football before they're
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: even in the ground.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: And another dangerous thing I think that's happening is just
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: pure disassociation from it all.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like that, I don't even care to It
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: doesn't even I don't even feel a pang in my chest.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: When I hear this that that really is concerning.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: You don't even feel the tiniest punch in the guy.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: That might be more concerning, actually, I think, because you
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: know emotion, if we're talking about like good and bad
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: or you know, good and evil, it's like and I've
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: struggled with this with my own son, is like, sometimes
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I just want him to show something, whatever it may be,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: whether it's good, whether it's bad, whether it's mad, whether
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: it's sad, you know, but nothing concerns me more.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: It's complacency, it's it's maybe desensitized ourselves to it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a lot of that is going on.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, I all these videos are it happened?
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: The video, the up closed videos.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: I will not watch it. I will not watch it.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: I couldn't. I can't like why why?
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Because I would my mind would never be able to
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: unsee it, and then it would just be more traumatizing
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: than it already is.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: And so I can't. I refuse, I will not want which.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: Is just as horrific as you could have ever imagined.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I can't. I can't.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: And then I think that you know, something I read
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: yesterday is we're using and this is dehumanizing us. We're
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: using death and murder as as a form of entertainment.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: And I think that you know, social media plays a
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: role in this and the mass reach that people have,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: and again not saying that we have the answers, I
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: think that you know, you do, for one what you
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: wish to do for many, And ultimately I think that
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: that's our mission here at the Love Dog is to
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: to do for one what we want to do for millions,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: and that's to really get to the deep root causes
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: of emotional pain.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: It is, and I think it goes beyond emotional pain,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: though I think it goes I think it does go
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: to the demonic.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I mean most humans could not bring themselves to kill
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: another person. No, and so unless you know, they're defending
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: their own life, right, But that's what we're looking at,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: psycho the here, right. We're not looking at a crime
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: of passion or impulse, as bad as those are. We're
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: looking at somebody who was cold and calculated and premeditated
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: and probably relished in knowing that they were going to
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: traumatize people and end somebody's life. And if your response
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: to that is anything anything but that is wrong, I'm
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: okay with losing you as a follower. I'm okay with that.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I am okay with at the end of the day,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: my follower account going down because you refuse to see
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: murder as a tragedy. And like I said, I am,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I am here with you. If you disagreed with what
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: he said. I can support your right to believe that.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I can be here with you if you loved what
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: he said. I can support your right because I believe
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: you're an American and you have the right.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: To speak whatever the hell it is you want to speak.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Amen, you even have the right to speak freely and
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: joyfully celebrate the murder of Charlie Kirk. I think it
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: makes you indecent and inhumane. But I also don't think
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: you can be arrested for it either.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: No, you can't.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: You can't, right, But we can think you're disgusting. Yeah,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: we can think that it's gross. Yeah, And I don't
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: apologize for that. I don't apologize for saying that, celebrating
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: trauma and murder it's gross.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's grotesque, it's awful, it's terrible.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I apologize none for that. No, No, I apologize none
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: for that.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: And that's where I think, you know, we've we can
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: lost our way. We can yeah and well, and where
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: we can speak really open and truthfully because these are
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: really sensitive subjects and we absolutely take that into consideration.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: When we're sitting here unscripted trying to talk about this stuff.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Think about it from a relationship standpoint. Again, in conflict,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: if my husband gets upset for something that I said,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I can go, Okay, you know, I'm choosing to love
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: someone with a certain level of sensitivity or a certain
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: need for a certain way of communication. I'm choosing to
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: be in partnership with this person, in love with this person.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: And I can do a couple of things. I can go, well,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: you're too sensitive and you shouldn't have taken it that way,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: and that wasn't my intent.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: So go piss off, right, yeah.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Or I can say, wow, I see the impacts that
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I've had on you, and I don't like that impact,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: and I apologize for impacting you that way. And I
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: feel misunderstood here, and I feel like, you know, that
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: wasn't my intent to hurt you in that way. So
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: in no way did I say, you know what, You're right,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I'm an insensitive a whole, and I agree that you're
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: level of sensitivity is the appropriate level.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: I actually didn't say that.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: No, No, what I said is I recognize the impact
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I'm having on you, and because I love you and
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I'm choosing to love.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: You, I'm willing to see yourself.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I'm willing to understand you. So what ends up happening
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: in conflict and relationships so much is people get so
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: stuck on No, it's my reality, that's correct. No it's
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: my reality. No it's my reality. No it's my reality. No,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: it's my reality. When our job isn't to pull someone
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: out of their reality, Our job is to understand theirs
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and to stay ours without abandoning your own. And in
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: all honesty, whether you agreed with the content of his message,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I do believe those were his methods.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: His methods were to debate openly and honestly. You tell
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: me why you believe what you do, and I'll tell
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: you why I believe I.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Was just trying to create well, I don't want to
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: use the word healthy, but because again I think a
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: lot of people could disagree with that. But I think
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: he was just trying to create a rhetoric between young
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: people so that they could create critical thinking skills.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I think he was just trying to bring discourse, civil discourse,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: and it was always civil. There was, you know, at
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: least from what I understand, And of course I didn't
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: watch a ton of his content. I have some content
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: that I've seen, but I you know, I'm not a
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk expert over here. I didn't in the content
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: that I watched, I didn't see him ever calling anybody
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: a name, or advocating for anybody to be harmed, or
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: advocating for violence. I didn't see any of those things.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I watched a lot of his content. I mean, honestly,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: he just showed up a lot on my algorithm during
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the election. And maybe maybe it was because I was
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: about to send a kid off to college.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: I have no idea.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know and always understand how the algorithm works.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: But to me, most of what he said was just
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: common sense. I mean, one of the ones that I
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: remember watching, you know, a girl was arguing the topic
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: of abortion and that you know, it was her right
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and you know, her choice, and that if she didn't,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: if she was to get pregnant in college, you know,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: she would have to drop out of college and how
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: awful that would be. And you know, Charlie's argument was just, hey,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: you know, if you were going to choose to partake
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: in sexual activity, you also have to face the consequences
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: that can come from that. And you know, again there's
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: more to it in terms of like the rhetoric between them,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: but you know she was gung ho about like arguing
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: her fact. And I think Charlie's point all along was
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: just hey, I'm here to just preach, not really preach,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: but just say, hey, here is the act, here is
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the consequence.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, God tells
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: us that we are supposed to love the people we
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: disagree with, but that doesn't mean taking on their opinion either, right,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: So I think that's what we keep in mind. If
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: you're pro choice and you come across a pro life person,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: realize that at the end of the day, you get
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: to keep your reality and you get to keep your opinion.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't be threatened by somebody else's opinion, right, And
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: then you use the power that we are given, which
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: is with your vote, to make the difference. That's the
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: only true real power we have. And you can advocate
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: and you can stand up for what you believe in,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: hopefully without getting killed.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: That's why we're here.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: That's right, right, I mean, what if he was protesting
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: at a pro choice rally, would you agree that?
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Would you be tap dancing on his grave?
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Then at what point do we draw the line and
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: say no, it doesn't matter what is political beliefs were
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: who cares?
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: And I think the power of curiosity is too often
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: overlooked to your because what a powerful tool that we
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: have at our disposal at all times is to lean
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: into people more with more curiosity and wonder and ask
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: why they think and believe.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: The way that they do.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Why do you believe that right?
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: And everybody's got their right story.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: That's the point, Like we should if we stand on business,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: if we have a really strong conviction, we should know
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: why we believe it. And I think a lot of
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: what was exposed was a lot of our youth didn't
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: know why they believed the way they did, and I
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: think that it made I think some people feel like
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Charlie was out to embarrass people, and I don't particularly
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: think that was his goal, but I can see why
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: people felt that way, and he still didn't deserve to
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: get shot and killed at the end of the day,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Like can we just all agree on that? Like that's
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: really all we're asking is, so let's come together as
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: humans and say that violence is never the answer. It's
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: never the answer, ever, ever, ever the answer, because God
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: says it's never the answer, and that goes for political violence,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: that goes for violence on our streets, goes in our schools.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: It's never okay.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: And I don't have all the answers politically, and I
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: don't really like either. I don't like politics at all.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: I'm sickened by Frankly, both sides.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: I can't today. I know I can't.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I sick either. Yeah, I'm just feeling like this pit
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: in my stomach. I felt it, you know, all day
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: yesterday and all day to day.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: And and you know, I kept looking at Josh last
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: night and like, I don't know what to do.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: I just like I don't know what to do.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't disassociate from this. I can't
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: escape these feelings. Like and I just but I think
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: we're meant to sit in it, just like when we
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: have any type of pain.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Suffering, we're meant to say it. We're meant to learn
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: from it, We're meant to grow from it. So what
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: if at all good can come out of this?
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: There will be there, always is.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Well, God says, there will be right with love.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: With love, because love is the only thing that can
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: fight darkness.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, love, perfect love, all fear. Yeah, I mean.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: There can't be darkness when there's light, and our job
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: is to be the light even when you disagree with someone.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: And I want people to disagree with me, disagree with me,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: let's teach me something, but let's have a conversation. Let's
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: not go to low blows. Let's not go to character assassinations,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: and let's not go to true assassinations, because that's horrific.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: And I think that that's the point that we're trying
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: to make with this episode, is scale it back.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: It's easy to be a.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Keyboard warrior where you feel all big and tough, but
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: if you had to sit and stare at his wife
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: and children's face, I don't think you would say the
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: stuff that you're saying online to the people that are
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: celebrating and spitting on him in the hour of his
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: tragic death.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: I think that.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I personally know, I don't care what side of the
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: aisle you are on. If you're shot and killed in
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: front of your children, I'm going to pray, I'm going
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: to shed a tear. I'm going to condemn that from
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: every corner, absolutely and so, and I think that you
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  Speaker 2: should too, regardless if it's because you're a believer and
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  Speaker 2: you believe that Christ said that we are commanded, commanded, commanded,
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  Speaker 2: he did not stutter, commanded to love our enemies. And
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  Speaker 2: that might not look like agreeing with everything, but it
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  Speaker 2: looks like not dehumanizing people and making them less than human.
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  Speaker 1: It's right, And we hope again that the overall message
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  Speaker 1: here is just one of love, one of compassion, one
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  Speaker 1: of you know, trying to understand the understand the misunderstandings
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  Speaker 1: of the world. You know, because we're here sitting as
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  Speaker 1: sinners and people who don't absolutely do not have all
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  Speaker 1: the answers. But what we do have is a platform
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  Speaker 1: that we can hope and pray can bring people together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, at the end of the day, you don't have
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  Speaker 2: to like what someone says. You don't have to agree
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  Speaker 2: with their beliefs. Nobody is ever saying you have to
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  Speaker 2: agree with someone. What we're saying is you are commanded
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  Speaker 2: to love them. And sometimes loving someone is telling them
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  Speaker 2: the truth, it is setting boundaries with them, It is
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  Speaker 2: saying no, you know, I'm not gonna put up with
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  Speaker 2: this behavior, right, and so the boundary that I'm setting
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  Speaker 2: today is on any of my platforms, if you come
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  Speaker 2: with hate and cruelty, and dehumanization. You're going to probably
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  Speaker 2: be removed civil discourse, disagreement. Your right to speak your
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  Speaker 2: values and beliefs always welcome here, even if they're different
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  Speaker 2: from my own. Your right to say, hey, I don't
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  Speaker 2: believe in Christ. Okay again, I am not here to
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  Speaker 2: please you. I'm here to please God. So if that,
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day means that you don't
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  Speaker 2: want to be my friend or my follower, that's okay,
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  Speaker 2: be fine.
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  Speaker 4: But I beg of you to go out and try
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  Speaker 4: to make a difference in the world through love and
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  Speaker 4: through good instead of through hate. Please.
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