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Joe Rogan Experience _2476 - Shanna H. Swan · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 2: Great to see you again.
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  Speaker 1: Great to see you, Joe. Happy to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Happy to have you here. So you've got a documentary
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  Speaker 2: about the, essentially about the same subject that you talked
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  Speaker 2: about last time you were here, the impact of microplastics
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  Speaker 2: and all these various endocrine disrupting chemicals that we're dealing with. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me about it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it started as a movie on plastic. And when
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  Speaker 1: I met Louis and he filmed me in New York
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  Speaker 1: about five years ago also, it wasn't the small study
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  Speaker 1: that we have today. But let me backtrack because I
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  Speaker 1: want to tell you something that I never told you,
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  Speaker 1: but So important to me. So you remember when I
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  Speaker 1: was here, you said, are you saying the toxins in
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  Speaker 1: the environment are threatening the survival of the human race?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And then you said something which changed my life.
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  Speaker 1: You said, why don't people know about this? Remember that?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: I went home and I thought a lot about that question.
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  Speaker 1: And that was what led me to create the program
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  Speaker 1: that I have now, Action Science Initiative, which is doing short, impactful,
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  Speaker 1: relatively cheap interventions to alert people to the problem and
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  Speaker 1: communicating this in a way that I'm hoping will reach
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  Speaker 1: more people than academia where I was speaking before, because
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  Speaker 1: before I talked to you, I talked to my peers in,
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  Speaker 1: you know, academia and the ivory tower, you know, at
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  Speaker 1: the meetings where they all went at the, they read
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  Speaker 1: the papers that we all read, but the general public
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  Speaker 1: didn't get this. So you really were, I have to
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  Speaker 1: tell you, thank you. And you were actually very influential
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  Speaker 1: in my life.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm very happy to help. When I first heard
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  Speaker 2: about your book and I started going over the details
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  Speaker 2: of it in the subject matter, I was shocked. I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't imagine that something like this could not just have happened,
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  Speaker 2: but there's no large-scale effort to reverse course or to
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  Speaker 2: change course or to do something about it, or at
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  Speaker 2: least to make people aware of the impact that plastics
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  Speaker 2: are having on us. Let me tell you a story
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  Speaker 2: about a friend of mine. There's a guy named Philip
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  Speaker 2: Franklin Lee. who is a Michelin star chef that lives
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  Speaker 2: in Austin. And he has this amazing sushi restaurant, Sushi
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  Speaker 2: by Scratch, and great chef. Anyway, he was experiencing fatigue,
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  Speaker 2: like always tired, got his hormones tested, extremely low testosterone,
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  Speaker 2: but then got his microplastics tested, and they were off
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  Speaker 2: the charts. Did a series of interventions to try to
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  Speaker 2: clean his body out from that, stopped drinking anything out
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  Speaker 2: of plastic, stopped using plastic. Just by whatever he did,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he did the plasmapheresis thing that
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  Speaker 2: I just did recently, his testosterone went up to 1,200.
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  Speaker 2: With no testosterone replacement, no nothing. Just eliminating microplastics from
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  Speaker 2: his life over a period of time raises testosterone.
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  Speaker 1: So that's Fantastic, and it's what we are seeing in
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  Speaker 1: the film and so on. I want to just make
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  Speaker 1: a small point, which is microplastics and plastics and plasticizers
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  Speaker 1: are not identical, right?
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Right? So microplastics are a relatively newcomer to the scene
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  Speaker 1: because we've had plastics since 1950, right? Microplastics have been
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  Speaker 1: there but not recognized until relatively recently. And actually measuring
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  Speaker 1: them in– in our bodies is much harder than measuring
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  Speaker 1: the plasticizers, which are the chemicals that are put in
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  Speaker 1: plastic to give them the various properties that they have.
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  Speaker 2: Thalates.
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  Speaker 1: Thalates is one, bisphenol A is another, and so on.
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  Speaker 1: So there are other, you know, and by the way, well,
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  Speaker 1: we'll come back to that later. So yes, we can
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  Speaker 1: measure those, but measuring microplastics in particularly if we're going
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  Speaker 1: to go into your brain or into your testicles, you know,
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  Speaker 1: into a woman's placenta, obviously that's much more difficult. So
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  Speaker 1: they're not the same, but the microplastics, what they are
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  Speaker 1: is the actual pieces of plastic that carry the plasticizers
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  Speaker 1: along with them. So they kind of piggyback on. So
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  Speaker 1: they do double damage because they carry the chemical harms,
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  Speaker 1: and they also... physically enter the cells, right? So do
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  Speaker 1: you remember, I'm sure, asbestos you know about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and silicosis, and these were other examples of particles that
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  Speaker 1: went into the body and conveyed both chemical harm and
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  Speaker 1: physical harm, like inflammation and so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 1: So they're all bad, but they're not identical. And what
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  Speaker 1: we studied in the plastic detox, which is the film, Um,
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  Speaker 1: that was, we did not study any microplastics. We studied
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  Speaker 1: the plasticizers. So you probably remember, I think I told
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  Speaker 1: you last time, um, well, why should you remember anyway? They're,
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  Speaker 1: they're water soluble. And so they remember that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so they go into your urine and, and then they're
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  Speaker 1: pretty easy to measure. So I'm going to give this
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  Speaker 1: to you. This is a kit. Open her up. I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Learn what's inside. It looks like you pee in that. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Keep going. And there's more stuff in there?
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Something to send it back. Right. And then this
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  Speaker 2: looks like biohazard bags.
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  Speaker 1: To put your pee in.
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  Speaker 2: So my pee doesn't kill anybody. And this is, it's
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  Speaker 2: got a QR code on it. say hello to a
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  Speaker 2: healthier you.
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  Speaker 1: So those are ways to find out ways to lower
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  Speaker 1: your exposure.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people get these harmful chemicals
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  Speaker 2: from drinking coffee, hot liquids out of paper cups.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. From the paper cups that are aligned with, for example, bisphenols.
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  Speaker 1: But the coffee itself is made in, most coffee makers
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  Speaker 1: contain a lot of plastic also. So it comes in
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  Speaker 1: both the cups and in the, The device that's making
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  Speaker 1: the coffee.
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  Speaker 2: That's why we use metal and just make a French press.
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  Speaker 2: I do that at home, too. I got rid of
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  Speaker 2: my plastic coffee machine.
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  Speaker 1: Me, too.
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  Speaker 2: Me, too. I was thinking about it. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: why am I pouring hot water into this plastic thing
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  Speaker 2: that can't be good? Yeah. It doesn't taste as good.
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  Speaker 2: You're learning.
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  Speaker 1: You're learning.
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  Speaker 2: French press tastes better anyway.
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  Speaker 1: So here's my suggestion. If you're willing to do this.
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  Speaker 2: I am willing to do this. You are.
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  Speaker 1: Good. Cool.
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  Speaker 2: So not hard. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Pee in the cup. Send it in. Got it. My colleague,
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  Speaker 1: Jenna Wah, and her team will analyze it for not
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  Speaker 1: everything in the world, but the bisphenols, the phthalates, and
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  Speaker 1: the parabens. They're going to be adding pesticides soon, and
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  Speaker 1: that would be great to have that as well. Then,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to go to phase two, I have
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  Speaker 1: some things here that you could swap in your kitchen,
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  Speaker 1: and you could go to that. QR code and find
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  Speaker 1: out other things that you could reduce. And then if
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  Speaker 1: you wanted to, we could send you another kit and
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  Speaker 1: you could see if your levels changed.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: You want to do that?
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  Speaker 2: I would love to do that. Yay! What is phase two?
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  Speaker 1: Phase two would mail you back another kit. You take
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  Speaker 1: your urine again and that's it.
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  Speaker 2: So that's to see if it's changed because of lifestyle changes.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Right. That's right. So you would be doing
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  Speaker 1: what the couple's in part of what the couples in
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  Speaker 1: the intervention did. The couples in the intervention also were infertile.
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  Speaker 1: And so we're not going to touch your fertility question,
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  Speaker 1: but they also, the men collected sperm, and we can
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  Speaker 1: do that if you want, but I don't think you,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you may not want to talk about that
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  Speaker 1: on your phone. But that's what we did in the intervention.
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  Speaker 1: So we, in the intervention, we found, I'll just, this
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  Speaker 1: is what the intervention was. There's a company called Fellow,
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  Speaker 1: which has grown out of UCSF. And they're very big now.
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  Speaker 1: I think they have like 200,000 men in their files
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  Speaker 1: who have had their semen tested. And at the time
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  Speaker 1: they have their semen tested, they're asked, could we recontact
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  Speaker 1: you for research? That's one important question. And they're asked,
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  Speaker 1: why did you want your sperm tested? And if they
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  Speaker 1: say because we're infertile or subfertile or we worrying about
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  Speaker 1: our fertility, we ask, or they ask, how long has
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  Speaker 1: it been that you've been having this problem with fertility?
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  Speaker 1: And if it's more than 12 months, then they're technically infertile, right?
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  Speaker 1: So if they said they would agree to be recontacted
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  Speaker 1: and they were infertile, they were potentially eligible for this intervention.
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  Speaker 1: You with me?
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  Speaker 2: Got it.
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  Speaker 1: So actually finding the couples that are in the film
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  Speaker 1: was a long process. They had to, of course, agree
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  Speaker 1: to be filmed. They had to have what we call
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  Speaker 1: a terrible word, idiopathic infertility, no known causes. And they
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  Speaker 1: couldn't be obese. They couldn't be smokers. They couldn't have
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  Speaker 1: a medical diagnosis that explains. We don't want it to
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  Speaker 1: be unexplained.
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  Speaker 2: Got it. Okay?
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  Speaker 1: So sort of we winnowed down to what was six couples.
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  Speaker 1: One of them dropped out for personal reasons. So I
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  Speaker 1: won't go into that. But that's how we got those couples.
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  Speaker 1: They had to be couples, by the way. And they
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  Speaker 1: had to be staying together for the next three months
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  Speaker 1: and not doing IVF.
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So that was the setup. Okay. And then the
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  Speaker 1: company called Million Marker that you're going to send your
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  Speaker 1: P to, they have an education program. And that's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of what they do, the testing and the education.
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  Speaker 1: And so all of those couples, you know, they talked
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  Speaker 1: to them and said, tell me about what you put
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  Speaker 1: on your face this morning. Tell me what you washed
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  Speaker 1: your clothes with. Tell me what you clean your counters with,
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  Speaker 1: and on and on and on like that, right? So
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  Speaker 1: they took an inventory of what the couples were doing.
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  Speaker 1: And then they started this educational program, which they're very
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  Speaker 1: good at and have been doing for a while. Once
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  Speaker 1: a week, they talk to them. So how's it going?
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  Speaker 1: Have you changed this? What are you using now?
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  Speaker 2: And so on.
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  Speaker 1: So it was not just a one-time thing. And if
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  Speaker 1: you were doing this, it would be short. You know, just, like,
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  Speaker 1: use these things maybe.
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  Speaker 2: But.
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  Speaker 1: Along with that, we sent them the fellow kits to
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  Speaker 1: collect their semen.
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: So we have beginning, middle, and end. It was three months,
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  Speaker 1: so beginning, six weeks, 12 weeks. And you know why
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  Speaker 1: three months?
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: It takes 70 days to make a sperm. So we
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  Speaker 1: wanted to have a turnover within the course of the intervention. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So we sent them a kit and they collected their
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  Speaker 1: semen at home, which is nice for guys because you
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  Speaker 1: don't have to go into a lab and do it there.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's much better at home, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And they sent it in and they figured out how
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  Speaker 1: to get all the parameters right, even though it's mailed.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, so the couples did that. So we had
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  Speaker 1: over time levels in their body of the chemicals, semen quality.
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  Speaker 1: what they were doing, what they changed in their life,
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  Speaker 1: because we had this record of everything they changed. And
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  Speaker 1: then finally, we saw who got pregnant. And I hope
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  Speaker 1: your listeners will watch The Plastic Detox. It's a movie
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of people love and found, you know,
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  Speaker 1: really moving. And you should watch it.
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  Speaker 2: Can I ask you about the coffee question? When you
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  Speaker 2: go to a place like, let's just say Starbucks, not
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  Speaker 2: to single them out, but are they using plastic with
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  Speaker 2: their coffee machines? Are their coffee machines made with plastic?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about any particular place except my kitchen.
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  Speaker 2: I was just with a question.
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  Speaker 1: I suspect that they are using plastic.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So if people stop at a place like that
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  Speaker 2: on a regular basis on the way to work in
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  Speaker 2: the morning to get coffee. And they use, they bring
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  Speaker 2: their own plastic, or excuse me, they bring their own
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  Speaker 2: stainless steel thermos or mug. That would eliminate some of it,
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  Speaker 2: but perhaps. One source.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But perhaps they're getting it actually from the coffee
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  Speaker 2: machine itself. Yes. Because I see when they slide those.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 2: When you see these big industrial machines and they slide
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  Speaker 2: those filters in, those filters are plastic.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they're.
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  Speaker 1: They probably have bisphenol in them.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It's a plastic tray. It seems like. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But then there's a paper filter in the plastic tray. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So you're getting it no matter what.
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  Speaker 1: And if they use those pods at home. Bruno, one
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  Speaker 1: of our guys in the film, wonderful guy, he was
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  Speaker 1: kind of addicted to his coffee machine, his pods.
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  Speaker 2: Right, the pods.
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  Speaker 1: And we said, Bruno– We want you to stop using
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  Speaker 1: those pods. No, I don't want to stop using them.
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  Speaker 1: But he did.
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  Speaker 2: He did.
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  Speaker 1: And they've had two babies. Now, I'm not saying that's
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  Speaker 1: the reason, but, you know, it's a contribution probably.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there is certainly an issue. Like I said with
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  Speaker 2: my friend Philip, that it made a radical difference in
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  Speaker 2: his sperm count and his testosterone levels. And so this
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  Speaker 2: is probably the case with so many Americans in this
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  Speaker 2: country that are dealing with infertility issues. A big part
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  Speaker 2: of it is probably these plasticizers. Is that how you
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  Speaker 2: refer to them? Plasticizers, all these various chemicals that are
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  Speaker 2: endocrine disruptors that are ubiquitous in the modern world.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, not the women. Let me say something.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't talk about the women last time very much, right?
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  Speaker 2: A little bit we did. A little, yeah. I think
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  Speaker 2: we did.
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  Speaker 1: So the women need testosterone too, you know, for sexual
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  Speaker 1: arousal and libido and so on. And muscle. And we,
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  Speaker 1: in our study, study for future families, I think, or maybe, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We asked, we got the urine. We saw what they,
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  Speaker 1: you know, how much phthalates were in their urine. And
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  Speaker 1: then we asked them some questions about their sexual experience.
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  Speaker 1: So how satisfied were they with their sexual experience? Sexual life.
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  Speaker 1: And frequency. And the women who had higher levels of
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  Speaker 1: phthalates had less satisfaction and lower frequency. So it's not
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  Speaker 1: just the men.
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  Speaker 2: Completely makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone needs testosterone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. My wife's friend got on testosterone. I guess she's
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  Speaker 2: about 50. She got on testosterone because her doctor put
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  Speaker 2: her on some low level of cream or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: And her Her response was like, it makes me horny
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  Speaker 2: like a bloke. She's English. I thought that was a
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  Speaker 2: very funny thing that she said it that way.
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  Speaker 1: Did she think that was a good thing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently. Allegedly. I didn't speak to her directly. But I
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  Speaker 2: think that's what she was saying. Like, whoa. You know,
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  Speaker 2: just whoa.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's the thing that came out of
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  Speaker 2: your the episode that we did that. shocked me the
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  Speaker 2: most is how little this is discussed in the mainstream.
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  Speaker 2: And I had not known until you brought it up,
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  Speaker 2: until you became a guest on the show, until I
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  Speaker 2: started researching it. I was stunned. I couldn't believe that
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  Speaker 2: this was something that was so common. And so one
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  Speaker 2: of the things that comes up all the time is
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  Speaker 2: infertility with couples that are trying and they're using IVF
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  Speaker 2: and it's more common now than ever before. And there's
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  Speaker 2: been a lot of things that people... A lot of
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  Speaker 2: factors that people have attributed to that reason, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of them being older people that are, you know, they
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: put their careers aside in their 30s. They decided now
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  Speaker 2: it's time to have kids. They're worried that it's too late.
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  Speaker 2: But listening to you talk about it, it seems like
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  Speaker 2: that's only one part of the issue and not the
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  Speaker 2: big part. The big part seems to be that we're
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  Speaker 2: being poisoned and we're doing it. by virtue of our
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  Speaker 2: modern world that we live in, where so much of
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  Speaker 2: your life relies on plastic. And it's very difficult for
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  Speaker 2: people that are so set in their ways, they have routines,
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  Speaker 2: they don't really understand, like, what can I do to
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  Speaker 2: eliminate this stuff from my life? Just having the conversation
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  Speaker 2: and understanding that these things are having an impact is great,
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  Speaker 2: but the steps that people need to take in order
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: to eliminate these things from their life. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: what's really important to get out there now.
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  Speaker 1: I thank you. You said it really well. Um, let
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  Speaker 1: me just give people a, um, a place to go.
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  Speaker 1: You go to on plastic, your life.com.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's action. And then you can go to
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: the various places in your home that you can, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Just on plastic, your life, one word on plastic, on plastic,
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  Speaker 2: your life.com. Yeah.
• 19:06
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• 19:09
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• 19:14
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• 19:18
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  Speaker 2: at drinkag1. com slash Joe Rogan. Nonstick cookware, that stuff has...
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: That's different. Is that different?
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: When you have nonstick cookware, does that have any endocrine
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: disrupting chemicals as well?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, but different ones.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Different ones? Which ones are those?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: So those are what's called the PFAS chemicals.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: And.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: It's actually not just cookware. It's anything that puts a
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: barrier between two medium, if you will. Like a rain
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: jacket will put a barrier between the rain and your skin.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: And also stain resistant, barrier with the stain. And it's... Very,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: very prevalent. I mean, it's in clothing. I've read it's.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: In a lot of yoga tights and things along those lines.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, workout clothes.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy. You think you're being healthy, and you're
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: exposing yourself to endocrine-disrupting chemicals.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: And uniforms. There's a book. I probably shouldn't recommend another book,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: but I think it's a good book, I'll just say.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: It's called To Die For, D-Y-E, and it's about the—
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: flight attendants' uniforms and the harms that they do because
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: they're coated, they have a lot of PFAS because they,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: you know, have to keep clean. And they've got, they're
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: not clean, right? Because they have this PFAS in them.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: It's in sports uniforms. You can do a lot with sports,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: all the sports uniforms.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Nylon. Yeah. Is it anything with nylon? Is that what
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: it is?
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Probably, but I'm not sure. I'm not, you know, I
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: could refer you to somebody, but I'm not the clothing expert.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: But I know that they're in And one of the
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: things that is kind of scary is school uniforms. You know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of kids have school uniforms, and they're loaded
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: with it. Oh.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, my kids used to wear a uniform every day.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: When you say to dye for, are dyes in cotton
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: clothes also releasing? Really?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yes. Dyes are very risky.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: We've got to go back to being Amish.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Here it is. Oh, good.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: So, in fact, there's little or no regulation of clothes
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: or textiles we wear each day, from uniforms to fast fashion,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: outdoor gear, and even the face masks that have become
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: ubiquitous in recent years. Wicker explains how we got here,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: what the stakes are, what all of us can do
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: in the fight for a safe and healthy wardrobe for all. Wow.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And that's in the film. It's discussed in the film.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Okay. A little bit.
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: Not the major, but it's... So, blue jeans?
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Probably.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I can't, you know.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: There is a river, I believe it's in China, where
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: a series of blue gene factories exist where the entire
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: river is blue. It's so disgusting. Like not blue like
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: beautiful clean water. Blue like dyed.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Dyed water.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Look at this. Look at that. That's the blue gene
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: capital of the world.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: That's where they make a lot of blue jeans. And
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: look at the stinky, dirty, disgusting blue dye water that
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: is just that river leaking out into the ocean, which
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: also looks polluted. You want cheap clothes, kids? This is
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: what happens. It's so crazy. Like, look at that stuff.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, how many jeans are they making? And what
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: are the, you know.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And this is a good point for me to point
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: out that these things are affecting everything. animals, of course,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: like the animals fish in this.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Look at this, African rivers as well. Of course we
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: do it in other places. If we did in America,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: people would be aware. Canada too.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure they'd be aware.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: You don't think so? We're trying.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: We're trying.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: We're trying to get them aware. I mean, that's what
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: we're doing right now, right? Right.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: So to go back to that point you raised about,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: you know, reasons that people give for low testosterone or
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: low fertility, low sperm count. And particularly, this comes up
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: for fertility. More couples are, you know, the fertility is
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: in the toilet, right?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: That's a weird thing to say, but yeah.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: For lack of a better. Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: And I mean, used to be five children per couple
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: on the average in 1960. And now it's, in South Korea,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: it's like 0.88.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: That's the worst, you know.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Why is South Korea the worst? I don't know.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, all of East Asia is very.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Very low. South Korea is, their replacement numbers are so low.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: That it's, they're in danger of complete population collapse.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And Japan is getting there and, you know, all
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: of that Southeast Asia. And, Um, so when there's a
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: lot of articles about this, a lot of editorials, a
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: lot of articles, and they make me so, Joe, they
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: make me so mad because they say correctly that having
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: a child at older age will do this to some extent,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: you know, not wanting to have children, as many children
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: will do this to some extent, but they never mention toxics.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: And so I've written editorials saying, hey, guys, we're not
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: alone on this planet. And we're not the only species
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: that's declining in number. And then if you look at
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: the curve of the number of species that are declining
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: and the rate of decline of human fertility, they're parallel.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: It's all about 1% per year. And we know they're exposed,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: these other species. You showed it. Those fish in that
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: water are exposed and animals on the periphery. So I
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: would love for everybody, when they look at these numbers
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: of declining fertility, consider that it's not all choice. Animals
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: are not choosing to have their children later or to
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: delay childbearing, right?
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: They have big careers. Beavers are trying to make dams.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: They don't have time for children. Right. Exactly.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah. So for me, you know, it's not– those
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: are good– those are explanations for sure. Obviously, when you
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: get older, your fertility is less.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Obviously, if you have a busy life and you don't
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: have time to have children, you shouldn't have children. But
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the toxics matter.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: They matter a lot. Yeah, 100%. And the animals, is
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: the issue exposure to water that has these chemicals in
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: it because of pollution? What is causing it with that?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: It's in the water. It's in the soil. It's in
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: what they eat because it comes in the plants.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: It gets into the plants? Yeah.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Do you know that phthalates, I'm just, this is a
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: little fun fact, phthalates are put in pesticides. Why would
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: they do that? Well, because one of the things that
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: phthalates do is they increase absorption. That's why they're in
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: hand cream.
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: You see, you put your hand cream on, it goes
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: in your skin, right? Phthalates help that. You have the
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: pesticide you wanted to go into the plant? Phthalates help that. So,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: you know, these exposures are all over the place, and
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: animals are getting them too. A long time ago, I
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: don't think we talked about this, but there was a
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: wonderful scientist who's not living anymore. His name is Lou Gillette.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: He lived in Florida. And he showed that alligators swimming
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: in a lake that had a lot of runoff of
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: pesticides— Get this, their penises were small. He measured them.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: And he was a big guy. He had to do
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: it at night. He went at night, wrestled them into
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the boat. And I have pictures of that. Took them
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: to his lab.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Measured their penises.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Measured their penises.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: They must have been very confused when they got let go. Like,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: what is this guy kinky with? What is his thing?
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: You know, and they had fewer.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Eggs. Right.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: So they're a declining species. That's just a very dramatic
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: example of, you know, can you put up penis size
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: and alligator penis size?
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: I'm just wondering.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: As if you don't already Google that, Jamie.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Let me find you a photo.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: I asked our perplexity this thing.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: So our sponsor perplexity said, yes, this has actually been
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: documented in wild alligators. Males and heavily polluted lakes have,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: on average, smaller penises and other reproductive problems linked to
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: hormone-disrupting chemicals. We are shrinking alligator penises. ladies and gentlemen.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: And not only alligator penises.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: 20 to 25% smaller penis sizes compared to males from
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: a cleaner reference lake. Males of lower testosterone levels, around
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: 70% lower, abnormal relationships between hormone levels and penis growth,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: unlike alligators from cleaner lakes. Alligators from polluted lakes also
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: show other reproductive issues, abnormal sex hormone patterns, altered gonads,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: low hatching success, various birth defects, all consistent with exposure
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: to endocrine-disrupting contaminants, EDCs such as DDT derivatives, dildrin, PCBs,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: and related compounds. Wow. So it's all endocrine disruptors from pollution. Oh, boy.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: You would think that this would sound the alarm.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: And this is not new. He's dead. This is old work.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: And no one knows. First of all, there's not a
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: lot of people that say, first problem on my list today,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: alligator penis sizes. It's a real issue. You're in front
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: of Congress. We've got to talk. Alligator penis sizes are shrinking.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: They'd kick you out of the building.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Actually, he, Lou Gillette, went to Congress and he Gave talk.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: And he said, every man in this room is half
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the man his grandfather was.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: As far as testosterone levels, right?
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: And penis size. Well, he didn't measure their penis.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: But he was making this point.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: And fertility and all this.
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it completely makes sense. But what doesn't
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: make sense is how little attention that's being paid. You
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: would think that in a society... I mean, America is
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: also facing a potential population collapse. People don't think about that.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: But our reproduction numbers, we're not reproducing. Yeah, they're down
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: quite a bit. And they're not at the level that
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: we need in order to keep our population.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: It's the, you know, the normal shape of the population
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: is like this, right? So this is up here, not
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: very many people. And down here, lots and lots of people.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: And this is terms of age, older, younger at the bottom. Right. Right.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Lots of people are living longer, but few are down here.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: And then what that means is the ones down here
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: are supposed to support the ones up here.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: But there's not enough of them.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: But not enough of them.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: So it's a huge societal problem.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just so confusing how few people are even
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: aware of this. We were talking– I didn't realize it
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: had been five years since our last podcast, which is
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: pretty crazy. But in that five years– You barely hear
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: about it. It's occasional. People bring up certain chemicals they
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: think are bad. Oh, avoid this. Paul Saladino was the
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: one that showed that the paper cups that you get
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: from a coffee shop, that if you take that paper away,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: what you have is essentially this plastic membrane. And that's
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: what you're drinking your coffee out of. You're not drinking
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: your coffee out of paper. And how terrible these things
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: are for you. But even that, it's like people just
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: dismiss it. The line around Starbucks is always the same.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: There's always people going to get their coffee. They don't
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: think anything of it. And they're just consuming these chemicals
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: that mess up your health, mess up your vitality, your
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: energy levels, everything, brain fog.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: But whose responsibility is it?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Well, to talk about it, I think it's ours. It's
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: certainly yours and mine. And, well, we'll spread this word
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: and more people discuss it. And I think more people
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: need to be aware that this directly impacts you. Like
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: this is not like in the future. I don't have
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: to think about it. I'll be dead. No, it directly
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: impacts your health, your energy levels, your vitality right now
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: as a living human being listening to this show.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: So just to add to that how it affects you,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: not you.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Humans.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Maybe your levels are lower. I don't know, but we'll
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: find out. But– Both men and women who have lower
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: fertility on average, these are studies, there have been about
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: four or five studies that have shown this, lower fertility
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: and sperm count on the male side die younger. Die younger. Okay?
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: This should be of concern to everybody.
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Well, it makes sense. Your life expectancy is short. Yeah.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: You have less vitality, less energy, less life force. Yeah.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Your sperm, your vitality, your testosterone are also affecting. It's
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: a canary in the coal mine, if you will, of
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: lots of things that are going south.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: At the same time.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Which completely makes sense. And as the case of my
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: friend Philip, all this fatigue, all these issues that he
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: was experiencing.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It's not just one. Never just one thing.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: It is quite disturbing how uncommon these discussions are, though.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: That's what's crazy. You know, that this is a, this
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: should be a huge factor. I mean, we get concerned
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: with so many, oh, there's people concerned with alcohol consumption.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: It's a big thing, like, and that has had an impact.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Children today, or young adults, I should say, today are
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: consuming much less alcohol than people in the past. Cigarette smoking,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: we're aware, very dangerous. Much less cigarette smoking than in
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: the past. The consumption of these drugs endocrine disrupting chemicals
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: is essentially the same as when we talked five years ago.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: So I want to go back to this question I
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: asked is whose responsibility. So I don't think it's, I mean,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: it's great for you and I to be concerned and
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: for your listeners to be concerned. But in fact, it
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be our responsibility because, you know, the drug, FDA
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: does drugs, right? They have pretty good control of, you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: safety of drugs.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Pretty good.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: OK, we can talk about that. But compared to chemicals
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: in our daily products, the products we use every day,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: it's fantastic because the regulatory agencies are not doing the job.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Right. OK.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: And so that's why it's all out there. They're not
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: doing the job here in Europe. It's much better, by
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: the way.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Well, that's bad. Because they're going to beat us. They'll
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: out-reproduce us. We'll go away.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: They'll take over.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: No more America.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: We have to get people angry enough to put pressure on,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a bill, the TSCA, Toxic Substances Control Act,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: which should be doing a lot of this and I
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: think it's coming up for revision. And, you know, maybe
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: people can pay attention to that and read about it and,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: you know, think government should be doing this. It's not
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: our job. It's not our job to worry about what's
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: in our pants and what's in our this and our
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: this and our this. You were asking what kind of
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: denim and so on. Should we have to read up
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: on that?
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Are there dyes for jeans and clothes that are not toxic?
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, but... As I said, this is not my area.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I can give you a name if you want. Get
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: somebody on clothing on this.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be happy to.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Just because it was relatively new to my consciousness when
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I was doing the film and before that, we didn't
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: collect data on that, unfortunately. Maybe we should do another study.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Which reminds me, there is just so much work to
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: be done and for my program. There's so many interventions
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I want to do that we did this one, which
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: great success. And now we're doing another one and we
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: have another one. But if anybody wants to help with this,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: it's all privately funded. The government is not going to
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: fund this.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Right. Unfortunately.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately. So, you know, let me know if anybody comes
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: to you and says, how can we help?
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure somebody will reach out. They usually do.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: The The thing that I would imagine would be the
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: response to something like this was that there are so
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: many industries that are established already that require the use
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: of all these compounds, all these chemicals, all these endocrine
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: disrupting chemicals. And it's just everywhere. It's everywhere in everything.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: They use plastic in the production of so many different things.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: These things are leaching into our food. They're leaching into
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: our clothes. They're leaching into all these various products that
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: we use that contribute to these chemicals entering into our body,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: disrupting that. So you're aware of glyphosate, I'm sure. They
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: were trying to eliminate glyphosate from the industrial agriculture.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Good luck.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Well, the president passed an executive order blocking it
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: because- some enormous percent, 90-something percent of all of our
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: food in terms of wheat, corn, all the agriculture in
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: this country relies on glyphosate for production. And so the
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: idea is we need poison so that we can make food,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: which is so crazy, especially when you consider the fact
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: that all these other countries don't use glyphosate and feed
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: their population. So how are they doing it and what
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: do we need to do to to get back on
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: that track. I had RFK Jr. in here to discuss it,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: and he was very crestfallen when he was explaining that
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: there was an executive order passed and that he was
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: working very hard to try to eliminate glyphosate in something
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: that he discussed in previous meetings that he and I had.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: It was one of his primary concerns. Glyphosate is toxic.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: It's terrible. It's just completely awful for your body, yet
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: the use of it is ubiquitous in agriculture, industrial agriculture.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: And he was trying very hard to try to eliminate it,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: and then– the government passes this executive order because in
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: their estimation... Yeah, exactly. Pressure. Yeah. And this is what
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I worry about with... Yeah, of course. And I don't
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: want to mention any names, but there's a lot of
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: these popular clothing brands that people wear that are, you know, fitness.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I'm healthy. I'm fitness wear. And these fitness wear that you're...
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: These clothings that you're wearing are leaching these chemicals into
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: your body that are screwing up your health, which is
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: so crazy.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Crazy, right?
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: But it's so... I don't want to say it's perfect,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: but it sort of encapsulates how screwed up our modern
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: life is. Yes. The paradox.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: So I did a study on glyphosate. I mean, I
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: examined our populations for glyphosate. And interestingly, they also have
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: an effect on, remember anal genital distance?
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Yes. The taint size.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: The taint size. They influence the taint size. Yeah. Now
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: that's not, We did it in two studies, and there's
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: been some animal studies. I can't say this is an
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: established fact, but I'm just pointing out that it has
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: very many unforeseen consequences, none of them good. And by
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: the way, I was asked to go to talk to
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: RFK tomorrow, but I can't because I have another meeting.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: But I would love to talk to him about this
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: because glyphosate is a big concern of mine.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I hope you do talk to him.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He has these roundtables on different scientific topics. So
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: this one is on microplastics, which is not perfect for
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: me because I haven't measured them. But if he has
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: one on glyphosate or pesticides, that would be a good place.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Well, his hands are tied right now on the glyphosate
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: issue momentarily. They have some non-toxic solutions. One of them
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: is they have this new device, which is like the
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: same way these machines pull the crops out of the ground.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: These machines go over the crops and zap all the
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: non-essential crops with a laser beam. Non-essential crops, excuse me,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: non-essential plants. So weeds, I would say. So as the
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: corn's growing or whatever else it is, they're zapping crops.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: all the other stuff that's growing around it that's sucking
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: up all the resources, all the weeds.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: That sounds like a good step.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: That's a great step.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Because it minimizes the use of pesticides.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And I asked, does it have any residual effect
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: on the food? He said, no. Well, that's great. But then,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: you know, farmers, one of the big problems is they're
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: already barely making money. So if you now require them
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: to spend, you know, X amount of dollars on some
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: gigantic weed zapping laser that has to cover who knows
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: how many acres they're running these. I mean, I'm sure
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: you're aware, but monocrop agriculture for people who've never seen
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: some of these places that grow corn and wheat, you're
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: talking about these massive pieces of land that only grow
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: one thing, which in nature doesn't exist. So, of course,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: nature wants to rectify that. Nature's like, why is there
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: only weed here? You need weeds. And so, you know,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: birds drop seeds, all these seeds fly in the wind,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: and then all these things grow. So you're going to
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: have to get these machines that are capable of traveling
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: over all of those crops and zapping out all the weeds.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: How much is that going to cost to people that
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: are already struggling? You know, because the American farmers are
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: barely getting by, barely, and we need them. And, you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: the last thing you want to do is burden them
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: with another cost. But also the use of, especially when
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: it comes to things like wheat, because they're using it
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: after they harvest the wheat to dry it out quicker
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: so that it doesn't grow mold on it. That's why
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: they're using glyphosate. So it's not even, it's not even
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: as a pesticide.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Yeah.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: They're using it as a, I guess, a desiccator.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's why so many theorized to be why
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: so many people in this country have a problem with bread,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: you know? It should make sense.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: And with their tape, no.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: And their tape, yeah. A lot of tape problems. A
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: lot of people are complaining. But it's just, it's so
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: weird that we're so intelligent and so informed. And, you know,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: now we all have supercomputers in our pockets that have
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: access to things like perplexity that can answer any questions
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: you have about anything. But yet we're being poisoned by
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: the very food that we eat, the coffee that we drink,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: the clothing that we wear.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: The water we drink.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: The water we drink. Everything. Here's a good question. Are
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: there any good filters on a consumer level that will
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: remove a lot of these chemicals from water that a
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: person can buy?
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I can't name any brands.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: But are they available?
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, there are.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Is it reverse osmosis? Like what are the ones that
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: work the best?
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you my solution in my house. That's very personal.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: We distill our water. So the water out of the
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: tap goes into a big container, and then it's boiled.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Steam is formed, crosses over, and the steam is condensed
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: into another container, right?
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: And that has nothing in it. And removes everything. And
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: by the way, all germs also. So that's what we've chosen.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: And in this thing that sits on the counter, my
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: husband does this every other day. It's kind of a nuisance,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: but not too bad. And the water is fantastic.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Do you have to remineralize it?
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: You should take minerals somewhere. You can do it in
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: the water. You can do it in your supplements. It
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: does remove the minerals, yes.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: And.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: That's what I've heard is the problem with drinking distilled
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: water is that it actually leaches minerals and nutrients from
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: your own body.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: That I don't believe. No?
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: But the water itself has had its minerals.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Well, let's put it into perplexity. What is the issue
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: with drinking distilled water for health purposes? And is it
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: recommended that you add electrolytes or minerals or what have you?
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Because that's– so one of the things that fighters do
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: when they're cutting weight, I don't think most of them
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: do it anymore. But a lot of them were drinking
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: distilled water so that the water would go in their
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: system and right out of their system. Because cutting weight
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: for fighting, I don't know if you know about this,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: but they have to weigh in a certain weight class.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: And essentially what they do is radically dehydrate themselves 24
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: hours before a fight, which is not a great idea.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: It's a terrible idea.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Perplexity says it is generally safe to drink distilled water.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Most people do not need to add minerals to it
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: as long as they eat a reasonably balanced diet. Distilled
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: water is simply water that's been boiled and recondensed, so
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: it's very low in contaminants and minerals. Health sources note
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: that it is safe to drink but tends to taste
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: flat because minerals like calcium, magnesium are removed. What about minerals?
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: You get the vast majority of needed minerals, calcium, magnesium, potassium,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: et cetera, from food, not water. So distilled water alone
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: does not usually cause deficiencies in healthy people with a
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: good diet. However, some organizations and reviews point out that
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: long-term use of very low mineral water may slightly reduce
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: mineral intake. And in specific groups, children, heavy exercisers, there
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: we go, people with certain illnesses could contribute to electrolyte
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: imbalance if diet is poor. So when might adding minerals help?
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Distilled water is humane or only drinking water. Your diet
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: is low in fruits, vegetables, and other mineral-rich foods. Adding
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: a pinch of mineral salt or using a remineralization cartridge.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: That sounds terrible. Cartridge sounds like plastic, right? Or drops
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: can help restore small amounts of calcium, magnesium, and electrolytes
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: and improve taste. Athletes who sweat heavily, people with kidney
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: or hormonal issues affecting electrolytes, and those on very restricted
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: diets should be more cautious about relying exclusively on distilled water.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: And may benefit from electrolyte or mineral replacement as advised
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: by a clinician. I mean, I recommend people take electrolytes anyway.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I always add electrolytes to water every day.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Here's a funny anecdote. We have a cat.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: What's the cat's name?
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: His name is Archie.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Archie.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Archie. And Archie patrols the house and steals our water
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: whenever possible. He comes and drinks from our glasses unless
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: we cover them up.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: So they think Archie probably likes your water because it
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: doesn't smell like poison to him.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: He loves our water. And he has the choice of
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: his own water, which comes out of the tap. And
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: he will 100% prefer our distilled water.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Which makes sense. If you think about a cat's sense
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: of smell, it's got to be off the charts.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: So he can probably smell like this water's got a
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: bunch of junk in it.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: And when you do the process, which Stephen does every
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: other day, and he goes to clean- The container that
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: you put the water in, it stinks. It really stinks.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: You would be shocked.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Wow. Well, we have a crazy filter at our house.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: We have well water and then we have this crazy filter,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: this giant machine that filters all the water. It tastes delicious.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: But it's not. distilled.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, you know, you shouldn't distill. That's
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: an alternative. I mean, sorry, you shouldn't filter. That's an alternative.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying what we chose to do.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Right. And so the distilling, it removes chlorine and all
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: these other issues that are in the water as well. Yeah.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: And fluoride, everything. Fluoride is another one that's bananas that
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: we add to water under the guise that it helps
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: your teeth. Like, shut up, brush your teeth. I don't
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: have any cavities. I don't use fluoride. I have fluoride-free toothpaste.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: I don't have fluoride in my water. It's dumb. It's
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: not just dumb. It's completely connected to lower IQs. There's
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: a direct correlation between higher fluoride content in water and
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: lower IQs. But There's a giant business involved in selling
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: fluoride to these municipal water supplies.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Which is nuts. More poison. And then there's chlorination.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: We are so screwed up. Chlorination.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: And I've said for years I said chlorination byproducts and
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: they cause miscarriage.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: So it's got to be terrible for people that swim
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: a lot in public pools, right?
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Because then it's being absorbed by your skin.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much exposure you get in the
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: relatively short time you're swimming. Let's find out. I don't know. Yeah.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Let's find out. Put that into perplexity. How much of
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: an issue is chlorine exposure in swimming pools?
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: Hmm.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Let's find out. We don't know. We're learning so much.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: There's a little science.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: I feel like that question is going to get... tossed
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: around here by perplexity because it could go multiple ways
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: with like is there too much chlorine like what are
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: you you know what I mean.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Right okay let's say is chlorine exposure in swimming pools
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: a health concern yeah that's good there we go let's
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: try that I bet it is I mean it only
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: makes sense I would like to study someone like Michael
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Phelps someone who spent like spent his life thousands of
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: hours in a pool whether or not it's affected his
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: body in any way whether or not there's like measurable
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: chlorine levels in his urine or what have you. Chlorine
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: in properly maintained pools is generally considered safe, but it
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: can cause irritation of eyes, skin, and airways. Well, that
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: can't be good. And heavily frequent exposure, especially indoors, can
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: contribute to respiratory problems in some people. What chlorine does
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: in pools, it kills germs like bacteria and viruses in
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: pools and is key for preventing infections and diarrhea illnesses
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: from contaminated water. Public health guidance typically recommends free chlorine
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: about one to four parts per million with pH 7.0
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: to 7.8 within this range. Disinfection is effective and side
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: effects are usually mild. Common short-term effects, irritation of eyes, nose, throat, skin,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: common when levels are high, when chloramines build up, especially
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: in indoor pools. Chlorobenes form when chlorine reacts with sweat, urine,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: and other organic matter. It can become airborne and irritate
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: the respiratory tract, causing coughing, wheezing, or tight chest in
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: some swimmers and staff. Long-term regular heavy exposure in indoors,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: poorly ventilated pools has been linked to increased respiratory symptoms.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Some studies suggest increased asthma risk. Okay, put this in
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: as a follow-up question.
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: Is.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Is exposure to chlorine through the skin responsible for any
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: health issues? Let's just through the skin. See if there's
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: any studies on that. Chlorine getting into the body through
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: the intact skin from pool water does not appear to
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: cause systemic... whole body health problems in otherwise healthy people,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: its effects are almost entirely local to the skin itself.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: What skin exposure actually does, chlorine is an irritant that
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: strips the natural skin oils, disrupts the outer barrier, leading
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: to dryness, tightness, itching. So put this in. What exposure
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: does chlorine have to healthy skin flora? Because healthy skin flora,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: you know, I... I do jujitsu, and one of the
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: things that happens with jujitsu is you get a lot
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: of skin diseases. Really? People get ringworm, staph infections. Well,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: you're getting scratched up a lot, and you're rolling around
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: on the mats, and if the mats are dirty, and
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: if there's exposure to it, you can have a problem.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: And then one of the problems that people have is
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: to treat that, they use antibacterial skin soap. So what
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: that does is it strips the skin of all the
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: healthy flora, which actually protects you. The counter to that,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: I always bring this up. I have no affiliation with
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: this product, but it's an excellent product. It's called Defense Soap.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Defense Soap is my friend Guy Sacco. He invented it.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: He's a wrestling coach. It was a solution using healthy
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: things like tea tree oil, eucalyptus in the soap that
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: kills the bad bacteria, but does nothing to the healthy flora.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Yes. So that's the only soap that I use. Chlorinated
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: pool water does disturb normal skin flora temporarily, but in
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: healthy people, the microbiome usually recovers within hours to a
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: day or so after swimming. So that's a problem if
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: you swim every day then. Chlorine is a broad disinfectant,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: so it kills or suppresses both good and bad bacteria
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: on the skin surface. Reducing overall microbial... diversity right after swimming.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Experimental and field studies show that even short exposure can
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: cut measured microbiome diversity markedly, often cited around 30 to
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: 40 percent, with composition shifting away from the usual dominant
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: groups right after a swim. How long disruption lasts after
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: leaving the pool, many of the resident species begin to
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: recolonize from deeper skin layers, hair follicles, and the environment,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: and community composition tends to drift backward towards baseline over
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: the next 24 plus hours. With frequent repeated swimming, daily
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: or high volume training, the skin may be in a
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: more chronically perturbed state with less time for full microbiome
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: recovery in between exposures. I know a lot of people
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: have switched their pools over to saltwater pools for this
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: very reason. I think there's a problem with saltwater pools
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: in very high temperature areas, though. Where it's not effective
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: enough to stop mold and all the junk.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Do you want to see these products I brought?
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: I would love to see these products you brought.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Here you go. These are for cleaning up your kitchen.
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: What's up, Jimmy?
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: A note on what you just said. A saltwater pool
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: is still technically a chlorine pool.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, still a chlorine pool. It just makes the chlorine
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: on site instead of pouring it in.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Salt systems work. Pool is ordinary salt, sodium chloride,
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: dissolved in the water, usually around 2,700 or 3,400 parts
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: per million, which is about one-tenth the salinity of the ocean.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: And close to body fluid levels, the water passes through
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: an electrically charged salt cell, which uses electrolysis to convert
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: some of that salt into active chlorine, mainly hypochlorous acid
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: and sodium hypochlorite. that sanitizes the pool. After chlorine does
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: its job, it ends up back as chloride, and the
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: cycle repeats, so you keep generating chlorine as long as
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: the system runs and there's enough salt. What's different from
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: your standard chlorine pool, you still have free chlorine in
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: the water at typical pool levels, about one to four
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: parts per million. The difference is the source, salt generator
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: versus liquid table chlorine, not the sanitizer itself. Most people
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: find salt pools a bit gentler, the water feels softer,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: And continuous low-level generation can mean fewer chloramines, less smell
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: and irritation if the system is sized and maintained correctly. Interesting. Okay,
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: so it's still chlorine. So it still probably disturbs your microbiome,
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  Speaker 2: store near you. Sealed. So should I open it?
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: It should be open.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: No, it's not. It's sealed. It's tight. What do we
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: got in here? A lot of stuff.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: So in the movie, you'll see that I came to
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: the homes of the participants with a big box, about
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: this big. So this is obviously a very small part
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: of that. Okay. Yep. This is just part of your kitchen.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: So these are bags that are safe, oven, freezer, microwave.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: It's called zip top.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're silicone. They're made of silicone.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: So silicone's okay.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Silicone, there is food-grade silicone.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: And that is.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Like spatulas.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And food-grade silicone is free of phthalates and bisphenols.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: So you can use that.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is a lot thicker. This is like.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: A lot thicker, yeah.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so this is reusable? Is that the idea?
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. And you just store your... Put your food
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: in the fridge in that instead.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Of in a... So you can buy these things? This company,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Zip Top, do they make them specifically for that reason?
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, there's one of many companies that makes.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: So this is essentially like a Ziploc bag.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: But it's way thicker.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: Kind of cool. And so they make these larger as well?
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of good alternatives for food storage.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: You know, glass, of course, is really good.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: And ceramic is really good.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: But it seems so much better, too, because it's not
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: creating as much plastic waste since it's reusable. Right, right, right. Now,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: do you just run this through a dishwasher? Now, what
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: about dishwashing solvents and detergents and stuff like that?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: There's always problems. Yeah.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: The world's filled with problems, Jamie.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: The pods are probably not great.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, right. Of course, right? Damn pods.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Tide pods, tea bags, coffee pods.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: Remember when kids were eating Tide pods? It's like nature's
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: trying to get rid of some of the dummies. Okay.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: So this company.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: I think there's two of those in there. Yeah. These
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: are just little examples, you know.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Let's give this company a shout out. It's called Zip Top.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: And I guess they make them all sizes. This is
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: like sandwich size.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: This is, I guess, a snack size. And they make
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: them larger, too.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they seal well, you know.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: That's another question that I had about sous vide. There's
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of people that cook their food in these
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: sous vide machines. A lot? Really? That's very common.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of high, you know, kind of.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: In restaurants and stuff? Well, I mean, I know there's
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: consumer versions of it that I know a lot of
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: my friends use it.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They use it for wild game. in particular, because
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: you can slow cook. So one of the things about
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: wild game, it has a very low fat content and
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of people find that it's more tender if
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: you slowly cook. So let's say if you, like medium
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: rare is like, what is medium rare? Like 135 degrees,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: I think. So what you would do is you would
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: take this piece of meat and you would seal it
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: up in a vacuum sealed container and you dunk it
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: in this sous vide machine And it keeps the water
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: at 135 degrees. You can cook it for several hours
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: at 135, and then you sear the outside of it.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Nice, yeah.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: And so a lot of people like that. And it's
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: really good for breaking down some of the harder stuff like,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: you know, the fascia.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Gristle, yeah.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: So is that stuff leaking chemicals into your food? It
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: has to be, right?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Well, because it's in plastic. You're getting these vacuum sealed
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: plastic bags that the food goes in. Have you seen
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: how sous vide works?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Do you have to put it in plastic?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Yes. Have you seen how these sous vide things work?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: No, then it's bad. Then it sounds just as bad
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: as microwaving in plastic.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Right. So what you do with sous vide is you
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: season the food. And a lot of times you'll add
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: like olive oil and things like that to the outside
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: You couldn't make it out of silicone?
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: I would imagine you could, right? I don't know. Let's
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: find that out. Has anybody made silicone-based sous vide bags?
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: And do these sous vide bags leach chemicals?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: I just saw a discussion on Reddit about this, but
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: they didn't really have an answer. Like they're asking that
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: the temperatures might not be high enough.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: What are the temperatures that start these chemicals leaching from
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: the plastics into your water? Because a lot of times
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: they say don't leave a bottle of water in your car.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: That's right. Because your car can get really hot. So
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: how hot's your car yet? It doesn't get that hot.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: It doesn't get like cooking hot. So it's like what is.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: But if the sous vide bags don't have plasticizers in them.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Like if they're made of silicone.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Food based food.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: What is it? Food grade silicone.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, similar.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: So it says, we use vacuum sealed bags. We're really
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: going through them right now, even on our early sous vide.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: I tried silicone reusable, and I wasn't happy. I don't
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: really recall why. I think it was hard to get
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: stuff in without a mess. Okay, that doesn't make any sense.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: Just deal with the mess. We made a switch to
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: vacuum bags. I love it, but oof, we use a
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: lot of bags. Okay. Put this into perplexity, please. Yeah.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Do sous vide bags leach endocrine-disrupting chemicals into your food
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: when you cook with them? Let's try that. Sweet. We're
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: learning things.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: Does it have to be vacuum sealed?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: Probably, right, because you don't want water leaking in there?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You don't want water leaking in. I have a machine,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: and I use this vacuum sealed machine. So if I
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: get wild game and then I cut it up into
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: pieces and then I seal it in these vacuum sealed
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: bags to freeze it. Silicone-based sous vide bags are generally
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: considered safe for food use and do not significantly leach.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: Significantly is a weird word. Leach harmful chemicals under typical
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: cooking conditions. High-quality food-grade silicone is inert, BPA-free. This is silicone, though.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Food-grade silicone shows minimal chemical migration, such as siloxanes. especially
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: compared to plastics that release microplastics like BPA. This is
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: a silicone, though. What was the question that you asked?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: How did you phrase it? Well, you were asking about
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: sous vide bags. Okay, you write silicone-based sous vide bags.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Not silicone-based, just like plastic sous vide bags.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Well, you know they're going to leak stuff.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Let's find out. Regular plastic sous vide bags. Let's see
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: what it says. Right. But I want to make sure
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: that it's vacuum sealed sous vide bags.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: It should know that we're talking about sous vide bags here.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Regular plastic bags can be reasonably, I don't like that word,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: safe for sous vide if you use the right kind,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: food grade, BPA, and phthalate free, and rated for hot food.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: But all plastics can leak some chemicals, and the data
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: specific to sous vide is still limited.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: What regular bags are safe? Look for bags made with
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: polyethylene and or polypropylene that are labeled food-grade and microwave-safe.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: Is there a plastic that's microwave-safe, though? Is that real? Yeah,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: these are considered safe with food up to around 190
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: to 195 Fahrenheit. Most brands' zipper bags, Ziploc, GLAAD, are polyethylene, BPA,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: and dioxin-free and are commonly used for sous vide bags.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: At typical temperatures below 176. Purpose-made vacuum sealer or boil-in
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: sous vide pouches, that's what I used, are specifically certified
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: as food grade for cooking and are the safest plastic
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: option if you want disposable. So it seems like it's
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: reasonably safe to do that. A review by Utah's Department
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: of Health notes that there's a lack of studies directly
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: measuring chemical leaching from sous vide bags. but recommends using
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: FDA-compliant BPA and phthalate-free plastics, which are not known for
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: estrogenic activity and are considered safe for food contact. Okay.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: It says trout. See what it says there?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: One trout study found detectable BPA in fish cooked. But
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: the problem is food, like, here's the problem. Freshwater lakes.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: If you're catching a trout in a freshwater lake, freshwater
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: lakes have horrible levels of these chemicals in them. And
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: most people do not recommend eating food from freshwater lakes,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: which is so crazy. You think, oh, I'm going to
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: go catch a fish from a lake. This is going
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: to be really healthy. It's right from nature. Now we've
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: ruined lakes.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: What is the issue? Put this in. What is the
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: issue with eating fish from freshwater lakes in America? What
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: are the health issues? Eating fish from freshwater lakes in America.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: We've looked this up before. It's kind of stunning how
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: much chemicals you get from a single fish that you
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: would catch. So if you catch a trout from a
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: regular lake, you go to a lake, it looks clean.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: I can see the bottom. Everything's fine. No, it's bad
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: for you. In fact, I know a guy... who is
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: friends with someone who does a lot of fishing tournaments.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: So he goes to these fishing tournaments, catches a lot
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: of fish. He eats a lot of fish, obviously. And
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: he got horribly, horribly sick because of heavy metal poisoning.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Isn't that terrible?
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Crazy. You think you're eating fresh fish that you've caught yourself.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: It's got to be good, right?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: And it's got to be bad for the fish.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Eating U.S. freshwater fish can expose you to chemical contaminants
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: like mercury and PFAS, and if eaten undercooked or raw,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: to parasites and some bacteria. Most people can still eat
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: freshwater fish safely if they follow local advisories and avoid
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: high-risk groups, pregnant people, young children, eating too much. Main
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: chemical risks, mercury, methylmercury. Nearly all wild fish contain some mercury,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: but levels in many U.S. freshwater fish can be high
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: enough to harm a fetus or a young child's developing
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: brain and nervous system if eaten often. That's crazy. PFAS,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: forever chemicals, Many U.S. freshwater fish have measurable PFAS and,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: in some studies, show widespread PFAS plus mercury in fish
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: tissue at levels that pose health risks for frequent consumers.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: PFAS exposure has been linked to changes in liver and
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: kidney function, cholesterol, immune response, pregnancy complications, and increased risk
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: of certain cancers.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know why they haven't mentioned autoimmune. Immune response. Oh,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: they do say immune. Immune response, yes.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, immune response.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy in Denmark studied people on the Faroe Islands,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: which they all eat fish. They catch them, you know,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: the Faroe Islands, and they catch them there. And so
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: he looked at the levels of PFAS, and then he
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: looked at their antibody response to vaccination. Oh. Down. And
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: so think of what that means in, you know, like
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: it's time of COVID or whatever.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: I want to do an intervention where we take kids
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: who are getting PFAS-free school uniforms. Remember I told you
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: PFAS was in school uniforms? And then when they come
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: in at age six for their first grade, they will
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: have just had their booster. So then we could get
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: their blood and see if the booster antibody levels were
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: lower in the kids that had the PFAS uniforms versus
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: the clean uniform.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Booster for which vaccines?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: Mumps, pertussis, MMP, I think it's called.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: And so it's lower, it's a lower response if your
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: body's being exposed to these chemicals. So you would imagine
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: even if you're not, you just lower response, period, to
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: all immune function based on this.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: What is these things?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Loofah mitts. Oh, the loofah mitts. So you can use
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: them to scrub your sink or your face.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: You can use them in the shower.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or in the shower.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: But you should use those for your food too.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: But the sponges that most people use have a lot
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: of chemicals in them.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: Of course. Makes sense.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: So these are better.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're plastic sponges. And you get them in hot
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: water and you're scrubbing things. And some of the stuff
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: probably gets in your plates and your food and your
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: cooking ware. Yeah, so that's good. What else we got here? Beeswrap.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: That's really nice stuff.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: What is this stuff?
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Actually, you can treat, this is some kind of paper
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: that's been treated with beeswax. So nothing dirty there. And
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: take it out. You'll see how nice it is.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: I love this stuff. I have a lot of it.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: So you peel the wax. That's the wax.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: Waxy paper.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. So you use that to wrap your food with.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it seals on itself, and you just rinse
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: it out afterwards. So you don't have to use saran
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: wrap and, you know, all these.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: It does seal on itself. It seems like a form
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: fits around things.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: You can put it on an egg or tomato or
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: anything you want.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Well, with my friend Phillip, I guarantee he eats a
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: lot of sushi. He runs a sushi place. And if
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: you ever go to a sushi place, all the fish
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: is wrapped in plastic. Yeah. They're always wrapped in plastic,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: and then they cut it open. And so there's exposure
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: to all this stuff.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: You should use this stuff.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: Probably has the same level of sealing as plastic does.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Might be more expensive, though.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: What's your health worth?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: But it's also reusable, which plastic isn't. Oh, absolutely.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Just wash it.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. It's probably economical in the long run
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: because plastic wrap you don't reuse unless you're a psycho.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: And it gets all over the world. Right.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Everywhere. I'm sure you've seen the Pacific Garbage Patch, which
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: is crazy, right? These are bags, and these bags are
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: called Wowie, W-O-W-E, right? And what is this?
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: It's another food storage, you know, choice, option.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: It's paper, or no, no, it's cloth.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: Cloth, but clean cloth, yeah.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: And so you use this just to seal it up?
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Like for bread, it's really good, bread, cookies, you know,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: stuff like that.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we use those.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: And so... Is this all these different products listed on
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: your website so people can.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: They're listed on the Million Marker. There's a card there
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: to scan the QR code, and you can go to that.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: But it would be nice if it was like a one...
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: So if you scan the QR code, is there a
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: one-stop shop? Like people listening to this right now, can
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: we send them to a website that can... What website
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: would that be?
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: I don't... I can't remember. Look at the card.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: It's... This one? Tips for a detox journey. So this
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: is the QR. So if I scan this right now,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: it'll take me there.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: That's my phone. This world that we live in. We're
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: not ready. Okay. It says the website is millionmarker.com. Chemical glossary.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: So this is the chemical glossary that's on this card.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't... Not the products, right? It doesn't say
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: the products. It says partners.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: So there's products on that other website I told you,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Unplastic Your Life.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: Unplasticyourlife.com. So that's a place where people can go and
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: see these products.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Here it is. So there's three steps. Unplasticyourlife.com, Action Hub,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Protect Yourself. And then it can tell you how to
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: protect yourself against... Various things in different rooms. I have
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: it by rooms, I think.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: What is this one, Jamie? This is the same website.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 5: I just already went to.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: The Action Hub. Oh, so when you go to unplasticyourlife.com,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: it takes you to OSP Society. And then go to
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: the Action Hub.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it redirects to this website.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: Got it. And then go to the Action Hub, protect
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: your family. And then are the products listed down there? Okay, yeah.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: There it is. Okay. Single, okay. Non-plastic bags, steel cookware.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Got it. Replace the plastic cutting boards with wood. So
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: I think some people use titanium, which is fine too, right?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: And then what's above that? Steel single-use drinking water containers.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Never use plastics to store your food in. Never heat plastics.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Holy cow. Save your skin by selecting personal care products
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: with natural ingredients such in glass or tin packaging. Oh, boy.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: So disturbing.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: Washing your clothes.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: By the way, we didn't talk about smell.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: Smell.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: But everything that's fragranced has phthalates.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: And, you know, like you think you're doing good if
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: you hang that little pine tree in your car.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Not good?
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Not good. And you plug in things in the wall
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: that are supposed to clean up your air and, you know,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: refresh your air and so on. Not good.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: There's ones that are in cars now, like certain cars.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: I think Mercedes has one where you refill it and
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: you can, it actually will spray air freshener through the vents.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: Does Mercedes do that? I think it's Mercedes, which makes sense.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: You know, luxury. I want to smell luxury. Like lavender
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: as I'm driving. Right. Oh, look at me in my
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: luxurious car smelling lavender, dying of chemical exposure.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: We asked women on our study, we said, what do
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: you use? And then we said, was it fragranced? And
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: anything where they said it was fragranced, their body burden
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: of phthalates was higher.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: Of course. What about natural deodorants?
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: You have to look it up.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: I use natural deodorant to try to avoid a lot
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: of that stuff.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: On the product for it on the website, it says
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: it's a miscellaneous dangerous good, I think.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: I don't know what that is. What?
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: It says miscellaneous dangerous goods.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's when they ship it or something.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: What are you looking at? Other dangerous substances. The interior
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: of the vehicle will be fragranced. It says it right there. Oh.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: This is under Mercedes, under their smell. Aroma system, Pacific mood. Ooh,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: I want a Pacific mood. I'm living on the coast.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: I'm fabulous. And it says miscellaneous dangerous goods, other dangerous substances.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: That's crazy that it's labeled that way. The interior of
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: the vehicle can be fragranced to suit your own individual
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: preference with the air balance package. Flak on Pacific mood
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: lemon and orange top notes accompanied by a blend of spices.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: Ah.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: But meanwhile, it's probably not good for you. So what
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: is in there? They're engineered specifically. Does it say what?
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: They're also subject to rigorous testing, which means each part
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: comes fully certified. In the end, you can be sure
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: that your vehicle will perform up to its potential, mile
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: after mile. Let's see what.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: This word meant. I don't know if you want to
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: try this.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: Whoa. Can you say that word, doctor? Oh, no. Gifargutenziken.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 5: I'm guessing it means most dangerous goods, but why not?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: Other dangerous– they're calling it dangerous? That sounds really crazy.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: Miscellaneous dangerous goods.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: Like hazard warnings. This is crazy. But why would they
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: say that?
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Put it on their website, yeah.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: And then you're spraying it and you're breathing it in.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: It could be very well like one of those California
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: rules where they say this building has got dangerous chemicals
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: that could cause cancer in people, and it has to.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Be on everything. But it's just weird that that's in
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: the actual stuff that you breathe in and smell. I've
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: heard another thing that's really bad for you is incense.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: Probably varies with what's in it. I wouldn't blanket all incense.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: I haven't studied that.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Let's put that into perplexity. Because I know candles are
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: bad for you. Scented candles in particular.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Scented, yes. Yes, there's their aroma again.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: See, one of the things that phthalates do is they
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: cause something to hold scent, retain scent. So they're put
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: into perfume and they're put into makeup and they're put into,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: you know, the things you put on your wall. So,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: you know, you want something to smell for a long time,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: you're going to use phthalates.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: It says, burning incense products, smoke, and chemicals that can
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: irritate your lungs, worsen asthma and allergies, and with heavy
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: long-term use in poorly ventilated spaces, may increase risks for
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: heart disease and some cancers. You know, you think incense,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: you go over to someone's house, they do yoga, they
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: eat vegan, they burn incense, they must be healthy. Right.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: Long-term health risks, repeated long-term exposure daily for years. Been
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: associated in studies with increased risk of bronchitis, reduced lung
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: function in children, and chronic respiratory symptoms in workers heavily
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: exposed to temple incense. God. Epidemiological studies, mostly in Asian
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: populations with heavy daily use, have linked long-term incense exposure
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: to higher rates of cardiovascular problems, hypertension, coronary artery disease, stroke,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: chronic limb. What's that word?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Ischemia.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: Ischemia. What's that mean? What does ischemia mean? It can't
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: be good. It sounds terrible. What is ischemia? What is ischemia? Huh.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: Lack of blood flow to part of a body, usually
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: because of an artery, is narrowed or blocked. Severe or prolonged,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: the affected tissue can be damaged or die. Oh, great. Oh, wonderful.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: So you think about incense. You think like healthy, natural people. Oh,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: they burn incense. It sounds lovely. It sounds like they're spiritual. Oh, incense.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: I used to love incense. I used to use it
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: all the time. Thought it was cool. Made you like,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: you know, be more peaceful. Incense. Bad for you. Everything's
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: bad for you. You know what's bad for you? These
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: straws if you trip with them. You know, a lot
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: of people have died. These are metal straws.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: They've died because they're on their phone and they're not
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: paying attention. They stub their toe and fall and this
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: thing goes through their eyeball and they die. Oh, shoot.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. I won't recommend that.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: But also, you could die just falling. I mean, if
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: you're falling and you're holding a steel straw, throw it
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: to the side. That's my advice.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: So if you want to do this little experiment of
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: one that we're talking about.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: And of one, unless Jamie wants to do it too.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: Jamie's in. Look at him. He's down.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: Then Jenna or somebody on our team, if you had
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: an hour, half an hour, I don't know how long
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: it took, call you and say, ask you, what did
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: you use? What did you use? What did you use
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: for this, this, this, this? Right. And then they'll recommend
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: what to change.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: Right. I recently underwent this plasma phoresis thing. Yeah. And, uh,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: that's supposed to remove a lot of that stuff from
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: your blood. Correct. So my, but I'll tell you what,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: the next day, um, I was very tired that day,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: like exhausted that day. But the next day afterwards, I
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: felt like lighter. I felt like, Whoa, this is crazy.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: I felt like I had more energy. Like it was
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: like kind of late at night. I was like, I'm
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: not tired at all. This is weird. Like I felt different,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: So that would be great. Are you going to do
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: it again?
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Uh, no, I just did it. I mean, I would
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: do it again, but I just did it a few
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: days ago.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: I was just wondering, you know, if you measure chemicals
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: in your urine before you did that.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: I should have done that.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: And then after that.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: I don't have any pee laying around from before. But
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: I could do it now and maybe I have very
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: low levels and we could attribute that to, because I,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: I haven't done the best job. Well, like I said,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: I did get rid of my plastic coffee machine at home.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: I did that about three or four weeks ago. One
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: of the things it's done is it's made my morning
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: coffee a lot harder to get. It's more of like
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: a ritual now because I use a steel water boiler
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: thing that heats it up to 200 degrees. And then
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: I have a steel French press and I grind the
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: beans in a steel thing. Right. And then I pour
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: the beans in the French press and It takes 15
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: minutes rather than 30 seconds. And how does it taste?
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: It tastes way better. Well, I'm a big coffee drinker.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: I love coffee, but I like it black. Like I
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: love the flavor of coffee. Yeah, me too. I really do.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: And so it just tastes better. French press, I think,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: is the best way to drink coffee anyway. And so
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: I kind of decided, like, why am I avoiding all
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: these microplastics? I don't drink out of plastic or paper cups.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: I do all these different things. Why am I still
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: using a plastic coffee machine? I look at that thing
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: every morning and I was like, yeah, but it's going
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: to give me coffee right now. So I pressed the
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: button to get my coffee right now. Then I was like,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: that's stupid. So now I just, I only use something
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: like this.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: So I'd be interested to see if maybe I have
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: low levels because I certainly feel like my body, it
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: felt refreshed. Like I had less inflammation, you know, but
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: that's like a two hour procedure. It's a pain in
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: the butt, you know. You got to sit there for
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: two hours. You look like a psycho. I should have
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: taken a photo of what I looked like while I
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: was doing it because I was laying there and I
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: had like cords in this arm and cords in that arm.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: So I had blood coming out of that arm and
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: going back into that arm. It was really kind of nutty.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: How expensive?
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know. I'm sure it's not cheap.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: But the The benefits of it in terms of like
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: the people that I know that have done it said
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: it's a game changer in terms of your recovery, marked
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: recovery levels, much better sleep. Like if you're wearing an
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: aura ring or a whoop strap or something along those lines,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: you get much better recovery. And I think that's probably
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: the case with me. I feel pretty good. I do
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff, you know. I do a lot
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: of things to maximize my health. So it's really kind
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: of difficult to know, like, what's doing what.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: What's doing what, yeah.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: I just know all in all.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: You know, we always say, you know, in my field,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: you know, do one thing at a time.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: Of course. If you're doing science.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not doing science. I'm doing chaos.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you're doing, you know, your experiment of one.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: But it works. All of it together is definitely working.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: My body's pretty good.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: So, you know, you were mentioning how– It's going to
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: be very hard to get these things regulated. And I
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: just wanted to point out, we probably talked about this
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: last time, but, you know, where do these chemicals come from,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: these plasticizers? And you probably know they're made from fossil
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: fuel byproducts, yes?
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: So... The forces against eliminating them are not only the
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: manufacturers of the plastic, but it's also the fossil fuel industry. Right.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: So that makes it extremely difficult.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's probably one of the primary factors in
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: why this isn't discussed, because it would reduce fossil fuel consumption,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: which would affect oil markets, which would affect the economy.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: It's big.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: It's big.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But, I mean, the rate at which plastic production
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: is increasing is astounding.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: And no end in sight.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think you're going to get the government
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: to act about this stuff. I think this has to
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: be done on an individual level where people are aware
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: of it and take steps to protect themselves and their
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: family from these issues. That's my cynical view of how
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: this is going to be played out. And I'm really hoping,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: I know for a fact a lot of people listened
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: to our last conversation and made some lifestyle changes. I'm
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: really hoping that now with this follow-up visit, more and
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: more people will be aware of it.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: And watching the movie.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, and watching the movie. And the movie's called, what's
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: it called again?
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: The Plastic Detox.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: The Plastic Detox.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: And where is this movie available?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: In your house.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: But is it available on Amazon, Netflix? It's Netflix. Okay.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: Watch on Netflix. Netflix is great.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: There's so many great documentaries on Netflix. The hidden dangers
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: of plastics in our homes. Six couples embark on a
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: plastic detox within their homes. It changes their families forever.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: The plastic detox explains what microplastics and their chemicals are
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: doing to our health and how we can take matters
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: into our own hands. From hormone disruption that's fueling a
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: worldwide fertility crisis to growing rates of cancer and early
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: heart attack and stroke, this powerful documentary reveals the shocking
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: science behind plastic's impact on human life.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: Do you want to see a little trailer?
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: Sure. Let's watch a little trailer. Put your headphones on. Well,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: you already know what it says.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: I'll listen. Plastic leaches a crap ton of chemicals.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: Even the smallest levels of exposure can have profound effects.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: Fertility Worldwide. It's going down.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: There you are.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: And it is.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: Tightly linked to chemicals that are commonly used in plastic.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: You have been trying to get pregnant for over 10
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: years now. 22 months. Two and a half years.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: Say what you always call yourself. Ah, I say, you know, Julie,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: I'm not a human dildo.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 7: This is a stream of intervention where we recruited six
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 7: couples who have unexplained infertility. We look at measures of
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 7: semen quality. The cutoff for fertile is about 40. You're
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 7: technically subfertile, infertile, so that's kind of scary, right?
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 7: The question is, if we lower people's exposure to chemicals
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 7: that are in plastic, can we change their fertility?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: These chemicals not only affect your fertility, they also have
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: other health consequences.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 4: These chemicals can contribute to early heart attacks and stroke, autism,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: as well as obesogens. Learning more about plastics, it's opening
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: my eyes to how much bigger it is.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: Many people think the government takes care of us, but
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: very few chemicals are actually banned from personal care products,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: and over 1,100 are banned in the EU. To have
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: a child, I.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: Believe it is a fundamental human right.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: I think you'd be the best mom ever, and I
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: really want to see that for you. Plastic doesn't have
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: to come from a toxic petroleum-based material. We can learn
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: to do it other ways.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: It can change and you can help with the change.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: That's another good point that he just said right there,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: that plastic doesn't have to come from petroleum-based materials. And
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: most people aren't aware of that, but you can make
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: plastic out of plant compounds. Yes. And it's biodegradable.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: Which is like they make a hemp plastic.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: Potatoes.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Potatoes. Yeah. And probably a bunch of other stuff too, right?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: That you can make plastic out of that doesn't have
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: these effects.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: It would be really nice if we moved in that direction,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: wouldn't it?
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: The plant-based plastics have the cost of raising the plants,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: of course. There's that added cost.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: Right. But does that even compare to the cost of
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: pulling oil out of the ground and refining it? Right.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: Then turning it into plastic through some horrific process? That
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: turns the rivers blue or whatever it does.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: And God knows what color it turns us.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: Just kidding.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: Is there a list of garments that people shouldn't wear?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: Are you aware of that, the plastic leeching garments?
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: Well, the only specific ones I know are, because people
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: have told me about them, are the sports uniforms, team uniforms.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: Because they have a coating on them.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: Is it to make them more durable is the idea? Yeah.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: And probably this book, to die for, will have more information.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: And I have it, and I'm just so busy with
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: this right now. But I'm going to read it. And
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: then sports uniforms, kids' uniforms, airline personnel uniforms. I think uniforms.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: Firefighters.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: Firefighters are big, big exposure to these chemicals, too.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: Right. Because they wear those waterproof... Yeah.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: Anything with it. Yeah, that's right. Anything that's waterproof, stain-proofed,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: just like your Teflon pans, you know, barrier. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: But I don't know any particular brands.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: So I'd imagine like nylon track suits and all those
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: different things. Yeah. That'd be terrible for you. So the
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: worst offenders.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, customers could look for, when they buy these things,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: they could look for PFAS-free. Just like now people know
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: to look for BPA-free or, you know, they could look
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: at fuss-free, then they would be avoiding.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: A lot of this. So go back to the top, please.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: It says the worst offenders are synthetic plastic heavy garments
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: that are fuzzy, coated, or very tight to the skin,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: especially polyester fleece, recycled polyester fast fashion, and PFAS-coated water
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: stain repellent, outerwear, and activewear. Polyester fleece jackets, blankets, loungewear,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: extremely high microfiber shedding. One study found that polyester fleece
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: shedding Orders of magnitude more fibers per wash than other knits,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: which estimates around 110,000 fibers per garment per wash. This
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: is both bad for environmental plastic pollution and for indoor
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: dust and air. Recycled polyester fast fashion like leggings, tees, dresses,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: and sportswear. New testing shows recycled polyester garments shed more
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: and finer microfibers than virgin polyester. Interesting. So you think recycled? Oh,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: I'm recycling. I'm a good person. No, you're killing yourself.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: Increased particle numbers and potential toxicity. These items are often
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: cheaply made, shed heavily in washing, and frequently use intense
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: dyes and finishes. Hot pink. Tight synthetic sportswear and underwear. Yikes.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: These are worn for long periods directly against sweaty skin
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: and mucous membranes, increasing opportunity for contact with microplastics and
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: additives like antimony, phthalates, and PFAS finishes. Cheap synthetic performance
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: or wrinkle-free fashion. Stain-resistant, easy-care, anti-odor, and heavy-print coating garments
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: are more likely to use chemical finishes that can off-gas
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: or leach on top of the base synthetic fiber issues.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: Lower concern choices. Okay, not perfect, but generally less problematic
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: for leaching and microplastic shedding. Undyed or lightly dyed natural
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: fibers like cotton, linen, wool, hemp, silk without stain-resistant or
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: wrinkle-free finishes. Simple weaves, knits rather than fluffy or brushed
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: surfaces which shed less. PFAS-free rain gear and outdoor clothing.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: Brands now often as... What rain gear is... pfas free
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: that's interesting because i've always thought that like has to
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: be coded.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: Right a lot of work a lot of work huh.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: Um what has been the response to uh your first
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: of all you're releasing your first book and then coming
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: on podcasts and talking about this thing um has it
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: been surprising to you like what has it been like.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: Um It has been kind of surprising how much interest
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: there is and how much, you know, people are taking
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: this up. And what's great is there are a lot
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: of nonprofits that are in the space that are getting
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: out these messages. So it's not just me, you know, many,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: many nonprofits. And then there's the, you know, there's the
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: Plastics Treaty, which is worldwide. It didn't pass, but hopefully
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: it will come back and maybe next time. And then
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: there's the work that the EU is doing, which is
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: miles ahead of us. For example, I think I might
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: have said this before, but just so in Europe, if
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: you're going to put a new chemical into commerce, it
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: has to pass certain tests to be safe.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Right. Not here. Right.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: So the testing is on you and me and everyone
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: listening online. And, I mean, we haven't really raised our
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: hand and volunteered for that.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I don't want this to happen, but
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: I think maybe what has to happen is these companies
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: have to get in trouble, you know.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: Well, some of them have. You know, there are lawsuits.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: Are there lawsuits against, like, outerwear, clothing?
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: Yoga pants. Because yoga pants are a problem, right? Yoga pants.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those tight nylon things that a lot of the
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: gals wear to.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know where the lawsuits are. I might at
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: some point get involved in that. But at this point,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But I know there are lawsuits and
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: that they can be effective way to push back. And
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: by the way, you said we wouldn't get a federal law.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: And I think that's not for a long time. But
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: states can do it. California, for example, is doing lots
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: of good stuff on that.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: What are they doing about it?
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: I can't name you the laws, but I know they're
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: very active. The.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: Bonta, Ron Bonta, he's a district attorney, attorney general of
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: the state of California. He's very active. And so the
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: states that have active pushback, able to get laws passed,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: that kind of sets the tone for what's possible. But
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: I don't see us getting federal pushback very soon.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: No, it seems like industry controls the federal government.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: More than the health and safety concerns of the people. Right.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: Which is very disturbing, but not too surprising when you
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: consider a lot of the other things that are allowed
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: in this country that aren't allowed in other countries. Like
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: when you show that list of the chemicals that are
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: illegal in the EU, that are illegal in America, that's disturbing.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: like we're supposed to be number one we're number one
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: we're number one in chemicals.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 6: Number one in chemicals probably probably the response when you
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 6: were on this podcast was pretty shocking for me so
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 6: many people reached out to me a lot of my
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 6: friends that watched the episode were like I can't believe
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 6: this Oh, I have no idea.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: It was five years ago. But quite a few of
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: my friends that, you know, don't reach out with every
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: episode reached out and said, that is just nuts. Like,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: I can't believe this. And especially people with children and
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: they're concerned about the development of their children or people
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: who are pregnant who are concerned with the intake of
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: these chemicals while they're pregnant, which has a radical effect
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: on the child's development.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: Well, if your friends are listening now, I can tell
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: them that it hasn't changed much. It hasn't improved much.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: And we have to do a lot more. Well, personally and, you.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: Know, I hate to say it, but I think like
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: I said, I don't think the government's going to do anything.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's got to be up to individuals to
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: make choices. And I'm really hoping your documentary has another
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: big impact. One of the beautiful things about Netflix is
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: that it's even though things get promoted on Netflix, Whenever
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: anything– so many people have Netflix that when everything– anything
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: is good, a lot of people just start sharing it
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: and start talking about it and posting about it on
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: social media. And then next thing, the conversation starts happening
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: and starts raising awareness. And I really do hope you're
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: going to go on a bunch of other podcasts as
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: well and talk about this.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: Thank you. And there are showings and Netflix encourages that.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: And I'm going actually all over the world talking at
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: showings now. The schedule is like crazy.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: Do you ever think like how crazy it is that
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: you're this one person that's sounding the alarm? Because you
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: kind of are the most public face of this problem.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: That is a little crazy to me, especially given where
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: I've come from.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: What if you didn't exist? This is the question.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, there are many, many people pushing back. Many, many people.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: Right, but I don't know if they're doing it as
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: publicly as you are and certainly not. I mean, they
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: haven't been on this podcast.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: There are many that are. I, you know. I feel
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: lucky that I've had this many, like speaking to you
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: and your followers and other podcasts. And then having the
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: opportunity to have designed this intervention and have worked with
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Louis and others on the film team to put this forward.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: It's a very big thing. And, you know, the film
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: costs a lot of money. And we've had worldwide support
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: for putting this out. So there's a lot of support
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: behind the pushback. And we just have to get everybody in.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: on board and just say, no, I'm not going to
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: use that stuff.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's, that's really what has to happen. The conversation
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: has to increase. The volume has to increase. More people
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: have to share it and talk about it and more
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: people have to have you on. And, you know, we
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: just have to sound the alarm. It's, it's kind of
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: crazy that five years later, nothing's changed because, uh, like
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: I said, it shook up a lot of people that
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: I'm friends with, but I didn't hear it from any
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: other places.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't see you on, did you do
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: any other podcasts.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: After you did mine? Yeah, I did many. You know Huberman?
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. I was on his.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: He's great.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great. And there are, I can't remember, but yes,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of podcasts. But hopefully now more. I do
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: have more coming up. My schedule is really kind of crazy.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: One of the things that's great is the documentary is
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: easily digestible.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: It's on Netflix. Everything's on Netflix. You sit down. Okay,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: let's watch. And then you go, oh, my God.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: And then there's all these. you know, places to go
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: at the end of it to learn more if people
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: want to do that. I would love to see it
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: viewed by influencers, not in the typical, you know, social
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: media sense, but people like religious leaders, you know, leaders
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: who could be won over, you know, if you have
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: any ideas, you know, but I thought about having, you know,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: the Pope, I mean, it sounds really wild, but, you know,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of people get their– where do people get
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: their information? From their religious leaders, from their peers, from
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: their doctors. By the way, none of this is taught
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: in medical school.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: That's crazy right there.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: Well, neither is nutrition. Right.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, you know, somebody's got to spend a lot
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: of time getting that curriculum changed, right? Mm-hmm. Actually, you
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: have to get the test changed because the teaching is
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: to the test. So if we could get this stuff
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: on the test, there would be more doctors learning this.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: But they don't get it. They don't get it. They
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: learn about lead. That's about all.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: Well, there's not a lot of incentive to teach this stuff.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: That's part of the problem, especially these petrochemical companies and
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: the use of these things is going to affect– so
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: many different industries because if you cut that out and
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: they– I mean how much of an impact is that
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: going to have on the economy if everybody just stopped
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: using all these chemicals, all the Lululemon brands and I
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: don't want to single them out but all these different companies,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: if they all just went under tomorrow, that would be
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: a giant problem if everybody just stopped using these things.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe for a little while. But then they'd be healthier.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: Well, the people would be healthier, but the companies would
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: go under.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, the companies will not be healthier.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: Unless they make the switch.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: But what could they do to make the switch? Like
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: if you're a company— Well.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: You were saying like plant-based plastics.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Do they make plant-based plastic clothing? Does anybody do that?
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: Like plant-based plastic leggings? Let's find that out. Does anybody
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: make plant-based plastic.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: Used in clothing.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What is the primary chemicals that come out? Is
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: it PFAS? PFAS. Yeah. PFAS-free leggings. Because I would imagine,
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  Speaker 2: especially if you're not wearing underwear and you're wearing those
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: kind of yoga tights, that would just get in there, right?
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  Speaker 5: Well, speaking of that, they're looking for it.
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  Speaker 4: They want them to be squat-proof, in quotes, so they're
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  Speaker 4: not see-through.
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  Speaker 1: Squat-proof?
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  Speaker 2: Squat-proof?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, if there's girls wearing leggings, you know, they're going
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  Speaker 4: to be doing a lot of squats at the gym
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  Speaker 4: probably or something.
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  Speaker 2: Squat proof.
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  Speaker 4: So they don't want people to be watching them a lot.
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  Speaker 5: But there are some.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. Watching them a lot?
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  Speaker 5: Dude.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, see through.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they're see through.
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  Speaker 2: But that's a weird way to say squat. Squat proof
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  Speaker 2: sounds to me like you can't do squats.
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  Speaker 5: Also probably ripping, I would imagine, too.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just a bad phrase. You know, like
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  Speaker 2: when you do a squat or downward facing dog, the
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: fabric stretches out. You can see some undies through the fabric.
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  Speaker 4: We tested nine different kinds of them. So there's a
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: few different brands. No, this isn't even really.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, the bioplastic. Go back. There.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bioplastic. Three primary categories of non-toxic workout clothes. All
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: natural or almost all natural. For example, 100% organic cotton
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: or 90% cotton, 10% spandex. Most semi-synthetic fabric, for instance,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: 10-cell fabric. Plant-based plastic, which is a plastic sourced from
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: something like castor bean oil instead of fossil fuels.
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  Speaker 3: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: In general, I'm not a huge fan of plant-based bioplastics.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: They are advertised as plastic-free alternatives, but they're still plastic.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: And some research shows that they're not truly non-toxic. I know.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: It's disappointing, it says. Here's the honest-to-God truth. When it
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: comes to performance, stretchiness, compression, durability, the plant-based plastics do
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: tend to perform the best. Huh. Followed by the semi-synthetics,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: followed by the, oh, no, I think they mean perform
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: the best in terms.
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  Speaker 5: Out of the three, I think.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: But in terms of stretchiness, oh, the other three. A
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: lot of product categories where non-toxic options performs just as
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: well as a synthetic option like shampoo, to give you
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: one example. It's not really as straightforward with leggings. At
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, you're going to have to
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: decide for yourself what kind of material you prefer. It
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: will largely depend on things like what type of workouts
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: you do, how you like your leggings to feel. Where
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: you work out and more. Okay, my reviews on these
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: nine almost plastic-free non-toxic leggings. All right, let's get to it.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: It says, what are the ones? So, Mate. It's a
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: company called Mate. Overall review, they're the best middle ground leggings.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: They're not super high performance. I don't know what that means.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: But they're made from healthier materials and they're very comfortable.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: They're great for lower impact workouts, just for general everyday wearing.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: Squat test passed but had to size up. So let's
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: find what the best one is. Do they have the
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: best one? I don't. So made is one of them.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: What are the other ones? Pangaea. Overall review, find myself
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: reaching for these leggings more often than any of the
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: others when it comes to hardcore workouts. Compressive nature of
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: them makes me feel very held in when I'm jumping around.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: They have great stretch. Squat test, pass, material blend, 92% polyamide,
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: bio-based EVO, bio-based content, 8% part bio-based Creora elastane, 30%
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: bio-based content. Makes them different. Closest to conventional synthetics in
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: terms of fit, feel, stretch, and compression.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: Well, so this website is thefittery.com and forward slash plastic-free,
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: non-toxic workout leggings. Go check it out for yourself. So
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: there's some options that are out there. Hopefully we'll give
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: those companies a boost and more people will wear them.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: Anything else before we get going? Think we covered it all?
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: I think we sounded the alarm.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: I think we tried again anyway.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we did something. Like I said, I think it's
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: just a volume thing. More and more of these conversations
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: have to take place so that in the general zeitgeist,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: more people are aware of it and it's just increased
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: awareness and just makes it where more people are making
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: better choices.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: And your platform is so huge that i'm really encouraged
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: to have the opportunity to talk about this with you
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: and happy to come back.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: Well i'd be happy to have you back i loved
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: you the first time you're great the second time as
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: well and uh for everybody uh one more time the
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: plastic detox that's the name of the documentary it's available
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: right now on netflix go check it out and uh
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: fix your life kids all right thank you i really
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: appreciate it it was really fun thank you yeah That's great.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: And I'm really so happy that you're out there. Because
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: like I said, if you weren't doing this very important work,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't know about it. And I think a lot
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: of other people wouldn't either. So thank you.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: So pee in the cup.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: I will pee in the cup. I promise you. I
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: promise you I'll pee in the cup and I'll send it.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: And then if you want to do the next steps.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: Let me know. I will do the next steps as well.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: You want to? Okay.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: So when you're ready to have another test.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: Talk to that microphone so people know what you're saying.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: So when you're ready to have another test kit. Or
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: you can go to Million Marketing and just order one.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: Okay. It's $ 100. All right. We'll do it.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: But we'll send it for nothing if you want. Just
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: let me know.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: I'll give you the $ 100.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: Bye, everybody. Bye.