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Sharri | 11 March · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening Tonight, the AFP accused of
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Speaker 2: being played by the offshore Australian criminal.
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Speaker 3: At the heart of this hoax.
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Speaker 2: They refuse to share his identity with New South Wales police.
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Speaker 3: Until just two weeks ago.
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Speaker 2: My exclusive report in a Moment also tonight, Tony Birth
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Speaker 2: blames Peter Dutton for confecting a crisis as media now
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Speaker 2: downplay anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: Ray Hadley would join me live with his reaction.
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Speaker 2: Our new polling shows of four teals could lose their seats.
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Speaker 3: Holly Hughes and Brodwin Bishop will be here to.
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Speaker 2: Discuss plus is the cost of living crisis causing families
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Speaker 2: to have fewer babies. So I'll talk about this with
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Speaker 2: Kelly Sloane. But first tonight, the AFP stands accused of
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Speaker 2: mishandling the joint counter terror investigation into the caravan bomb plot.
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Speaker 2: To Night revealed that the AFP fell for a hoax
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Speaker 2: by an Australian criminal living offshore, a source they treated
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Speaker 2: as credible and even agreed to keep his identity secret from.
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Speaker 3: Other authorities they were working with.
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Speaker 2: The AFP has now been accused of being played by
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Speaker 2: their source who claimed to be aware of credible and
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Speaker 2: ongoing threats against the Australian Jewish community, and this included
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Speaker 2: a threat against a prominent Jewish businessman who's required twenty
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Speaker 2: four hour.
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Speaker 3: Police protection for more than a month.
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Speaker 2: Despite insisting that New Southeweal's police act on their informants intel,
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Speaker 2: the AFP then withheld the identity of the source. This
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Speaker 2: led to immense disagreements and unrest at the heart of
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Speaker 2: the joint investigation that was meant to be investigating the
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Speaker 2: anti Semitic threats.
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Speaker 3: The unrest first.
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Speaker 2: Came to light when the AIA went public to say
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Speaker 2: that there.
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Speaker 3: Could be foreign actors behind these attacks.
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Speaker 4: The AFP's investigative lines of inquiry are looking at whether
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Speaker 4: some individuals have been paid to carry out some antisep
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Speaker 4: medic acts in Australia. We believe criminals for hire maybe
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Speaker 4: behind some incidents, so part of our inquiries include who
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Speaker 4: is paying those criminals, where those people are, whether they
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Speaker 4: are in Australia or offshore, and what their motivation is.
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Speaker 2: That claim was based on their secret source being located overseas,
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Speaker 2: and the media and the Prime Minister repeated that claim.
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Speaker 2: Yet New South Wales Police publicly said at the time
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Speaker 2: they had no knowledge of any foreign actors being behind
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Speaker 2: any of the anti Semitic attacks in Sydney.
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Speaker 3: We will work with our national counterparts.
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Speaker 5: If the AFP and other jurisdictions had information relevant to investigations,
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Speaker 5: then we need to have that information.
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Speaker 2: The AFP had been referring to their informant, who was
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Speaker 2: an Australian criminal based offshore. New South Wales Police didn't
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Speaker 2: know about any offshore link because the AFP deliberately withheld
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Speaker 2: information that source's identity, despite the investigation being a joint operation.
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Speaker 3: With New South Wales Police.
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Speaker 2: Now, despite their claims on Monday's at Monday's press conference,
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Speaker 2: the AFP did not know initially that the caravan bomb
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Speaker 2: threat was a hoax, but New South Wales Police were
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Speaker 2: immediately concerned that it was suspicious, and The Daily Telegraph
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Speaker 2: reported that on the day they broke the story, New
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Speaker 2: South Wales Police were comfortable with investigating the caravan packed
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Speaker 2: with explosives under Strike Force PEERL that's the task force
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Speaker 2: that they set up to.
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Speaker 3: Deal with hate crimes.
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Speaker 2: Now, my sources tell me that it was the AFP
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Speaker 2: that insisted on escalating the caravan plot into a joint
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Speaker 2: counter terror investigation, which then also included officers from ASIO
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Speaker 2: and the New South Wales Crime Commission. In recent weeks,
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Speaker 2: the AFP's offshore source they'd been taking.
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Speaker 3: Seriously was deemed not credible.
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Speaker 2: Multiple sources told Sky News that the AFP only informed
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Police of the identity of this Australian
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Speaker 2: criminal as recently as.
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Speaker 3: Two weeks ago.
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Speaker 2: We put this to the AFP this afternoon and an
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Speaker 2: AFP spokeswoman said that the AFP had received specific specific
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Speaker 2: information about the presence and location of the caravan on
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Speaker 2: Jazz January the nineteenth. The spokeswoman said all threats are
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Speaker 2: taken seriously by the AFP.
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Speaker 3: It was a decision by all the agencies.
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Speaker 2: The AFP, ASIO, New South Wales Police and the Crime
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Speaker 2: Commission that the matter be investigated by the New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Joint Counter Terrorty. Well, this was such a bungling
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Speaker 2: and mishandling that there are now calls internally for an
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Speaker 2: investigation into how the matter was handled by the AFP
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Speaker 2: and also a review into joint investigation arrangements. But the
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Speaker 2: revelation that organized crime is behind some anti Semitic attacks
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Speaker 2: is now helping to fuel a campaign to downplay the antisemitism.
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Speaker 3: Crisis in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Now, as you've heard, the caravan packed with explosives turned
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Speaker 2: out to be a criminal conjob. But that's been seized
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Speaker 2: by some commentators and titians who are trying to suggest
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism is actually not that serious or that violent
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Speaker 2: a problem. They're even saying we should all be comforted. Well,
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Speaker 2: that suggestion is plain wrong and downright dangerous. Let's just
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Speaker 2: have a look at some of the anti Semitic attacks.
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Speaker 3: Real attacks that we've witnessed.
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Speaker 2: The preschool fire, bombing, the New Town's synagogue, ars an attempt,
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Speaker 2: the cars torched and the homes vandalized outside Alex Riftrin's
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Speaker 2: former house, the synagogue fire.
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Speaker 3: In Melbourne, just to name a few.
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Speaker 2: The motivation behind these attacks, whether it's anti Semitic ideology
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Speaker 2: or other criminal purposes, is utterly irrelevant. Let me say
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Speaker 2: that again, the motivation is irrelevant because these attacks on
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Speaker 2: Jewish property were real and could have cost lives. A
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Speaker 2: preschool was destroyed, the Adash Synagogue destroyed by flames.
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Speaker 3: I walked in it just a couple of days afterwards.
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Speaker 2: And on the weekend I spoke with the owner of
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Speaker 2: Lewis's Continental Kitchen in Bondi, and she's devastated that the
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Speaker 2: fire destroyed her business, that no one ever speaks about it,
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Speaker 2: and yet her business still isn't back up and running.
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Speaker 2: Yet we've seen so many commentators and politicians now using
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Speaker 2: the fake caravan plot to downplay this crisis, saying.
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Speaker 3: The Jewish community should be comforted.
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Speaker 2: Well, in many respects, it's even more terrifying that organized
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Speaker 2: crime is.
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Speaker 3: Involved in some of these incidents.
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Speaker 2: Given the easy access to serious weapons and the means.
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Speaker 3: To commit the attacks, there's no comfort here.
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Speaker 2: Those people now downplaying anti Semitism never wanted to speak
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Speaker 2: about it in the first place. Hatred and attacks on
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Speaker 2: Jews were an inconvenience to them. Now, the police revelation
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Speaker 2: that the caravan of explosives was a hoax has given
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Speaker 2: them an opportunity to gaslight our community.
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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what's unfolding now.
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Speaker 2: And it's a point Alex Ripten touched on in chrias
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Speaker 2: Keunty's program a bit earlier.
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Speaker 6: And I think there's elements of our society that have
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Speaker 6: never wanted to admit that there's an antisemitism crisis. Have
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Speaker 6: never wanted to grapple with it. They found it to
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Speaker 6: be an inconvenient truth. And I think the revelations by
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Speaker 6: the police and their investigation has given them the pretext,
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Speaker 6: pubs and excuse to brush aside antisemitism and pretend that
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Speaker 6: what's transpired in our streets and in our cities for
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Speaker 6: the past seventeen months hasn't happened.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: Even Tony Burke acknowledged the motivation for anti Semitic attacks
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Speaker 2: was irrelevant when the ABC asked him this completely absurd
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Speaker 2: question that anti semitism could be revised down.
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Speaker 8: Do we need to revise down our understanding the number
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Speaker 8: of genuine anti Semitic attacks that have taken place, or
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Speaker 8: when these kind of attacks generate fear anyway, how do
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Speaker 8: you balance all of that.
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Speaker 9: Well in terms of the impact on the community. The
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Speaker 9: impact on the community and the fear from the community
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Speaker 9: is similar. If there's a chance of graffiti or firebombing,
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Speaker 9: or whatever threat there might be coming from to cause fear,
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Speaker 9: coming from organized crime or coming from people who are
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Speaker 9: motivated by antisemitism and hatred, then an individual will receive
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Speaker 9: it the same way.
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Speaker 2: A zero Director General Mike Burgess couldn't have been clearer
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Speaker 2: when he said anti Semitism was the single greatest concern
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Speaker 2: from a threat to life life perspective.
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Speaker 10: What's your assessment about the increase in the level of
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Speaker 10: antisemitism right now?
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Speaker 11: In terms of my organization, our threats are faced, threats
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Speaker 11: to life, threats to way of life. In terms of
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Speaker 11: threats to life, it's my agency's number one priority because
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Speaker 11: of the weight of incidents we're seeing play out in.
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Speaker 2: This country, no less than the Director General of ASIO.
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Speaker 2: Yet never mind what he has to say, because of
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Speaker 2: course the likes of Tony Burke and the ABC and
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Speaker 2: the nine network know better. You heard the ABC's question
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Speaker 2: already and here was Chan on nine News this evening.
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Speaker 12: So I add Massoui is one of fourteen people arrested
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Speaker 12: after the Dural caravan investigation uncovered the wave of antisemitism
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Speaker 12: across our city was a criminal hoax.
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Speaker 2: The wave of antisemitism across our city was a criminal hoax. Well,
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke, who keeps accusing Dutton of politicizing antisemitism, Well
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Speaker 2: he wasted no time politicizing.
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Speaker 3: This police response.
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Speaker 2: Burke hit the airwaves to attack Dutton for saying that
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Speaker 2: this could have been a terror attack.
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Speaker 9: On one day in the Parliament he made the assertion
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Speaker 9: that we were dealing with a planned mass casualty attack
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Speaker 9: four times in less than an hour, like he was
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Speaker 9: just off well.
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke failed to mention that both the Premier Chris
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Speaker 2: Mins and the Prime Minister his boss, said the exact
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Speaker 2: same thing.
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Speaker 13: It's designed to create fear and terror.
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Speaker 9: In the community and it will not succeed.
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Speaker 2: This is the discovery of a potential mass casualty event.
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Speaker 3: There's only one way of calling it out and that
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Speaker 3: is terrorism.
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Speaker 14: That's what we're very worried about.
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Speaker 2: But Tony Burke claimed that Peter Dutton deliberately didn't want
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Speaker 2: to be briefed.
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Speaker 9: He deliberately chose to not find out and so what
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Speaker 9: we had was a situation where quite deliberate Peter Dutton
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Speaker 9: made a decision to not find out the facts from
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Speaker 9: the Australian Federal Police, to ignore the advice from ASIO
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Speaker 9: in lowering the temperature simply because it suited his self
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Speaker 9: promotion ambitions. Now that is the very definition of being
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Speaker 9: reckless with national security.
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Speaker 2: But Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson this afternoon said
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Speaker 2: that Burke's claims that Dutton had refused briefings were nonsense.
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Speaker 2: He said the AFP had briefed them and that nothing
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Speaker 2: was mentioned about the caravan plot being a hoax that.
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Speaker 3: Theory developed later.
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Speaker 2: As I've told you tonight now, Dutton has also entirely
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Speaker 2: rejected the allegation.
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Speaker 10: If a proper offer for a briefing was offered, we
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Speaker 10: would have taken it. In my nine years in the Parliament,
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Speaker 10: I have never, on one occasion turned down a national
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Speaker 10: security a law enforcement briefing.
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Speaker 14: We requested a briefing on the twenty second of January,
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Speaker 14: we requested a briefing about a week later. At no
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Speaker 14: time during those briefings or my discussion with the Director
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Speaker 14: General of ASIO, including up to and including on the
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Speaker 14: eighteenth of February, was it any mention whatsoever.
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Speaker 1: Of a hoax.
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke was also very worried about the Muslim community
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Speaker 2: being blamed for anti Semitism.
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Speaker 9: There is no doubt that throughout this and you only
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Speaker 9: have to look at the combination of what was said
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Speaker 9: on radio at the time, what was said on social media,
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Speaker 9: the blaming and the suspicion of the Muslim community throughout
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Speaker 9: those attacks is something that was well and truly part
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Speaker 9: of the public narrative.
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Speaker 2: So his affronted that the Muslim community would receive any
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Speaker 2: blame for anti Semitism. Yet like it or not, we
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Speaker 2: have seen blatant, an extreme anti semitism from parts of
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Speaker 2: the Australian Muslim community.
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Speaker 3: Have a look, you.
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Speaker 8: Have no idea how many Israelik a dog came to
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Speaker 8: this hospital.
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Speaker 12: I'm smiling and I'm happy, I'm insited.
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Speaker 15: It's a day of courage.
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Speaker 7: Proudly if you likes that are not if they would
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Speaker 7: have depart me from Asia or not? Did you have
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Speaker 7: the solution for Domna?
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Speaker 2: But as you know, Tony Burke has preferred to speak
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Speaker 2: about Islamophobia over anti Semitism, and when there was a
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Speaker 2: single social media threat made to a mosque, he rushed.
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Speaker 3: To visit it immediately.
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Speaker 2: Yet when the Adash Synagogue was destroyed by fire, he
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Speaker 2: took four days to visit. Tony Burke makes a huge
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Speaker 2: fuss whenever there's a social media threat.
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Speaker 3: To a mosque or Muslim school.
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Speaker 2: But I don't know of any prominent Jew who's heard
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Speaker 2: from the minister when they've received equivalent or worse death threats,
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Speaker 2: but never mind the facts, because this is all about
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Speaker 2: political spin. And Tony Burke found a cheerleader for his
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Speaker 2: argument in the Citney Morning Herald's political editor, David Crowe
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Speaker 2: the irony of Crow, writing today that Dutton has cheerleaders
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Speaker 2: in the media and on Sky when he's running Albanesi
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Speaker 2: and Burke's political lines. Crow writes that Dutton could have
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Speaker 2: sought more briefings from authorities. By going so hard and
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Speaker 2: being so openly partisan about national security, he is more exposed.
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Speaker 3: Now the facts have emerged.
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Speaker 2: Well, that was the precise talking point of Burke, as.
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Speaker 3: You've already heard.
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Speaker 2: David Crowe then claimed that Dutton had created a confected
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Speaker 2: anti semitism crisis.
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Speaker 3: He wrote, why was he so.
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Speaker 2: Quick to create a confected crisis out of a criminal plot.
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Speaker 2: He increased the alarm about the caravan in ways that
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Speaker 2: added to community anxiety about terrorism. He gave more publicity
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Speaker 2: to the con Well, the crisis, an alarm and anxiety
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Speaker 2: was not because of a caravan found with explosives. It
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Speaker 2: was because of the two thousand actual incidents of anti Semitism,
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Speaker 2: including violent crime and arson attacks, that took place last
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Speaker 2: year and that were reported to Jewish groups. If the
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Speaker 2: City Morning Herald really believes that this is a confected
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Speaker 2: crisis created by the opposition leader, then they're more removed
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Speaker 2: from reality and more beholden to the Albin Easy political
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Speaker 2: agenda than we thought. The truth is, left leaning media
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Speaker 2: outlets were very slow to cover anti Semitism in the
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Speaker 2: first place, and now they're using the caravan as an
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Speaker 2: excuse to downplay the crisis. This is categorically a campaign
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Speaker 2: of terror and violent crime that has targeted Jewish homes, cars, businesses,
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Speaker 2: and the community. And no matter how you spin it
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Speaker 2: all the motivation of those behind it, it doesn't detract
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Speaker 2: from the lived reality. Okay, let's get reaction to this
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Speaker 2: now from tonight's panel, former Speaker of the House for
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Speaker 2: Oman Bishop and Liberal Senator Holly Hughes.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both. Holly, starting with you, what did.
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Speaker 2: You think of the way Tony Burk has politicized this today?
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Speaker 16: It's just appalling and there is just so much to
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Speaker 16: unpack here. I mean, was there a caravan filled with explosives?
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Speaker 7: You know?
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Speaker 16: Were they not explosives? Were they part of the hoax?
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Speaker 16: When was the Prime Minister briefed on this. He has
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Speaker 16: refused to say consistently when he was briefed on this
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Speaker 16: matter at all. And I think we do need a
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Speaker 16: really serious investigation here if the AFP have somehow been
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Speaker 16: exposed with this investigation with their sources and the fact
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Speaker 16: that they weren't communicating with the New South Wales Police.
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Speaker 16: As you said, Chris Mins and the Prime Minister himself
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Speaker 16: have both claimed that this was possibly a mass casualty
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Speaker 16: incident waiting to occur, and Tony Burke has just picked
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Speaker 16: out Peter Dutton here to attack. If he really wanted
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Speaker 16: to attack anyone for saying anything, he could have gone
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Speaker 16: Chris Mins as well as the Prime Minister. But I
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Speaker 16: think maybe we might find out when New South Wales
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Speaker 16: Police did brief the Prime Minister when he was bought
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Speaker 16: in on the loop, because at the time this all happened,
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Speaker 16: it very much looked like he couldn't be trusted with
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Speaker 16: this sort of an issue. The whole thing is incredibly messy.
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Speaker 16: But to try and deny anti Semitism, to try and
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Speaker 16: deny listening to the least you were going through all
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Speaker 16: the cars that were done in Ocean Street, the graffiti
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Speaker 16: on restaurants down there out the front of people's homes
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Speaker 16: which are right near the manual in synagogue. It has
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Speaker 16: just been absolutely appalling what we've seen across not only
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Speaker 16: New South Wales but in other states.
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Speaker 2: And the truth is that while the criminals were paid,
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Speaker 2: the authorities don't know if they were also motivated because
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Speaker 2: the way this worked is a job offer was put
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Speaker 2: up on encrypted messaging app.
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Speaker 3: Criminals could then take the job.
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Speaker 2: They might have been ideologically motivated as well as taking money.
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Speaker 13: Anti anti Semitism has always been infected by a criminal
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Speaker 13: element and that's just a matter of fact. So why
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Speaker 13: would you be surprised the criminals are involved. As for
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Speaker 13: Peter Dutton, when you look at who you believe, Premier
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Speaker 13: Mins or Prime Minister Albow, which one would you say
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Speaker 13: has more credibility? Every time Mins Mins came out, the
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Speaker 13: Peace Commissioner came out and made a very strong, powerful
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Speaker 13: statement based on the information that they had. Of course
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Speaker 13: Peter Duttin would to accept that information has been legitimate
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Speaker 13: and go out and say what Albow will not say.
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Speaker 13: It was merely mouthed again when he said, oh it's
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Speaker 13: a terrorist organization or terrorists happening but the man has
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Speaker 13: no credibility. Of course you'd go with Mins and Albanesi
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Speaker 13: in that sense was a little mister echo. So it's
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Speaker 13: a story that is slithering and slow everywhere and the people.
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Speaker 13: You were quite right to point out that those who
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Speaker 13: want to bury the anti Semitic movement that's going on
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Speaker 13: in this country and try and say that Islamist hatred
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Speaker 13: doesn't exist, misleading our fellow countrymen. That's clip shoes show.
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Speaker 3: Particularly of the.
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Speaker 17: Noon who was elated at the murder, slaughter rape Bernie
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Speaker 17: babies of October the seventh, How could you in any
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Speaker 17: other way express the hatefred that truly exists and say
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Speaker 17: something has.
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Speaker 3: To be done about it.
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Speaker 13: And it was Albert who failed to come in at
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Speaker 13: the moment when that demonstration occurred on the Opera House
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Speaker 13: fore court.
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Speaker 3: That's where the rod began, exactly exactly. I'm going to
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Speaker 3: come back to this topic.
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Speaker 2: I've got a senior former AFP Perston on my show,
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Speaker 2: Olso Ray Hadley. But now let's turn to some of
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Speaker 2: the other big news today. The Australian share market went
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Speaker 2: into meltdown, twenty five billion dollars off the ASX and
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Speaker 2: this of course follows concerns that Trump's tariff trade wall
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Speaker 2: could spark a recession.
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Speaker 3: In the US.
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Speaker 2: Holly, I mean this is you know that Trump has
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Speaker 2: always pointed to the markets as a measure of his success,
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Speaker 2: so this should be troubling him.
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Speaker 16: And look, I think if you look even in Australia today,
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Speaker 16: there's been a reaction here to what happened in the
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Speaker 16: US and the tariff wars are obviously playing into that.
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Speaker 16: And I think when we look at what's happening in
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Speaker 16: the Australian market, it doesn't look like we're going to
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Speaker 16: get an exemption. We've been helped along by a few
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Speaker 16: former political luminaries, we might say this week coming.
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Speaker 3: Into the country Court.
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Speaker 16: Absolutely no relevance deprivation syndrome at all.
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Speaker 3: But you know these are the.
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Speaker 16: Sorts of things that feed into our markets and confidence
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Speaker 16: at home. But the reality is Australians have been in
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Speaker 16: a per capita recession for almost two years, so this
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Speaker 16: could actually make the cost of living crisis worse when
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Speaker 16: Australians already doing it incredible, and it does.
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Speaker 2: Look now Bromwyn, I mean the Trey tariff's sore due
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Speaker 2: to kicking on the twelfth tomorrow, our time, Thursday, you
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Speaker 2: know our time if it's in the US. So it
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Speaker 2: doesn't look like the Albanesi government's going to get an
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Speaker 2: exemption here.
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Speaker 13: Well, I'm not surprised by that, because all the people
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Speaker 13: who have been out there lobbying to say, look at us,
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Speaker 13: we're really good guys are people who've been out there
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Speaker 13: beating up on Trump, and he's got senior people surrounding
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Speaker 13: him who are adamant about what behavior has gone on.
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Speaker 13: Now for us, we want to protect it. But it's
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Speaker 13: very interesting for me, who sat in that parliament for
22:40
Speaker 13: nearly thirty years and to be involved in politics for
22:45
Speaker 13: much longer than that. I have sat and seen governments
22:48
Speaker 13: get elected saying we're going to cut waste, we're going
22:51
Speaker 13: to change the system, smaller government, and we're going to
22:55
Speaker 13: really go on a new track. And guess what, nothing happens.
22:59
Speaker 13: Even Ron Reagan's commission into waste, what do we find
23:02
Speaker 13: gold plated toilet seats on an aircraft? So what Trump
23:07
Speaker 13: is doing is something entirely different. Robert got leaves and
23:10
Speaker 13: writes some very interesting articles and dealing with this and
23:13
Speaker 13: the way he talks about the tariff being almost like
23:16
Speaker 13: a GST being imposed at a federal level. And you
23:19
Speaker 13: might remember that when the GST was imposed here in Australia,
23:23
Speaker 13: inflation leapt to six percent, but it was offset by
23:29
Speaker 13: tax cuts and the abolition of the wholesale sales tax,
23:33
Speaker 13: and it came back down again, and it did then
23:36
Speaker 13: change the way taxation operated here. What Trump is saying
23:41
Speaker 13: is he wants to see America reindustrialized. To do that,
23:46
Speaker 13: he can't do it without.
23:47
Speaker 3: Bringing down interest rates.
23:49
Speaker 13: The crash of or rather the stock market coming down
23:54
Speaker 13: also the bond rate means that there is going to
23:58
Speaker 13: be pressure on the federal resils of to lower those
24:01
Speaker 13: interest rates. Is also going to have more money coming
24:04
Speaker 13: in from tabs, and then he's going to say there's
24:07
Speaker 13: also this proposal that's now on the table from Doge
24:11
Speaker 13: saying that there will be a Doge dividend to consumers. So, yes,
24:15
Speaker 13: we don't like I've been a free trader all my life,
24:19
Speaker 13: but I know I've looked at many articles that have
24:24
Speaker 13: written part of the headline that says, why won't they
24:27
Speaker 13: give us an exemption? It's a much deeper question than that.
24:30
Speaker 13: If you're successful in industrializing the country, then there'll be
24:35
Speaker 13: lots of opportunities for us as well.
24:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating as.
24:40
Speaker 16: Our manufacturing is continuing to shrink here.
24:42
Speaker 3: I mean we had one hundred weeks.
24:43
Speaker 16: We are almost in the senter quarter alone.
24:46
Speaker 3: It's extraordinary.
24:47
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, before we go, let's look at the
24:49
Speaker 2: Teals freshwater pulling today claiming that four of the six
24:54
Speaker 2: tier MPs are at risk of losing their stick their seats.
24:58
Speaker 3: And this is really.
24:59
Speaker 2: Because because of the falling Green vote, because a lot
25:03
Speaker 2: of the Teals got up on preferences. So, Holly, if
25:08
Speaker 2: this is true, if you're seeing four Teals lose their seats,
25:11
Speaker 2: and I note that on Le grispend Onworth is not
25:13
Speaker 2: one of them, then you know that starts to make
25:17
Speaker 2: an easier path for Darton.
25:19
Speaker 3: To win the election.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, it certainly clears a lot of the pathway that
25:23
Speaker 16: those seats. You know, they were big liberal seats and
25:26
Speaker 16: had always been strong liberal seats, as Problein.
25:29
Speaker 7: Is more than aware.
25:30
Speaker 16: And you know, for them to come back to the
25:32
Speaker 16: fold I think would be a very good thing. I
25:34
Speaker 16: think a lot of people that live in those electorates
25:36
Speaker 16: have seen how ineffective these Teals are, that they're really
25:41
Speaker 16: just backed by Simon Holmes the court and a mouthpiece
25:43
Speaker 16: for him.
25:43
Speaker 3: And I think it's.
25:45
Speaker 16: Let's just hope those poles right, because to see the
25:47
Speaker 16: back of them will be a very good thing.
25:49
Speaker 13: It's a very important thing to remember. There is no
25:52
Speaker 13: blue in Teal. No, it is entirely a green movement
25:57
Speaker 13: hanging off the and in infected by a good dose
26:01
Speaker 13: of socialism.
26:04
Speaker 2: And really many of them were elected because Australians didn't
26:08
Speaker 2: like Scott Morrison, you know so, and those seeds didn't
26:13
Speaker 2: want to support labor, so they went with this.
26:16
Speaker 16: Well, and there's a hung parliament, we're it lands and
26:18
Speaker 16: where that I think people are starting to see that
26:21
Speaker 16: they're looking at another oak shot kind of.
26:24
Speaker 2: I think there needs to be a lot of pressure
26:26
Speaker 2: wearing about on the tiles to clearly say that if there's.
26:29
Speaker 3: A hung Parliament, this is what we'll do.
26:31
Speaker 2: This is what they're going to do, and their elect
26:33
Speaker 2: pressure on them to say they're electrics to.
26:35
Speaker 16: Serve tonight, they're local serve tonight.
26:38
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, Harley Hughes, brom A Bishop, great to
26:41
Speaker 2: have you as always on a Tuesday. Now let's bring
26:45
Speaker 2: in to further discuss the AFP's mishandling of the caravan investigation.
26:50
Speaker 2: I'm joined now by Australian Federal Police Detective superintendent, sorry,
26:54
Speaker 2: a former Australian Federal Police Detective Superintendent David Craig, involved
26:58
Speaker 2: in counter.
26:59
Speaker 3: Terrorism during your career.
27:01
Speaker 2: David, I want to ask your view of my reporting
27:05
Speaker 2: tonight that the AFP fell for this hoax and passed
27:08
Speaker 2: on information to New South Iales Police claiming that it.
27:11
Speaker 3: Was credible about threats to the Jewish community.
27:16
Speaker 15: Hi, Charry, Hi, everybody. Look, if your reporting is accurate,
27:20
Speaker 15: and I suspect it is, it's highly embarrassing for the AFP.
27:25
Speaker 15: It's entirely critical for the source management team managing that
27:30
Speaker 15: particular person on shore or offshore to start with the
27:34
Speaker 15: very building blocks of that relationship and their information is
27:37
Speaker 15: to check the credibility and ulterior motives that may be
27:40
Speaker 15: held by that source. Now, if that hasn't happened, then
27:44
Speaker 15: this is highly embarrassing for the AFP. Christy Barrett needs
27:48
Speaker 15: to perhaps maybe move portfolios if she's not up to
27:54
Speaker 15: the task. Source management is the core business strategy of
27:58
Speaker 15: the AFP. It's how we get information behind the closed
28:02
Speaker 15: criminal laws of organizations.
28:04
Speaker 1: But we need to be.
28:05
Speaker 15: Able to trust that information, and that comes down to
28:07
Speaker 15: the management of the source and the expertise of the
28:09
Speaker 15: people handling that source.
28:13
Speaker 2: There's also the issue that the AFP refused to reveal
28:15
Speaker 2: the identity of this source, the Australian criminal to New
28:19
Speaker 2: Southwell's Police who they were working with as part of
28:22
Speaker 2: this joint team. They refuse to reveal the identity until
28:25
Speaker 2: around two weeks ago, and New Southewey's Police felt it
28:29
Speaker 2: was important to know the identity to understand the motivation
28:33
Speaker 2: of the claims that were being made. David, in your experience,
28:37
Speaker 2: if there is a joint investigation like this, how can
28:39
Speaker 2: the AFP withhold the identity of such a critical source.
28:46
Speaker 15: The usual course of business chari is that sources, identifying names,
28:52
Speaker 15: an actual identity are withheld in all circumstances except where
28:57
Speaker 15: it is absolutely critical to reveal it.
29:00
Speaker 1: Now.
29:01
Speaker 15: The AFP has shared source information before with outside agencies
29:06
Speaker 15: and it should have clearly happened earlier on this occasion,
29:10
Speaker 15: so they protect their source information very carefully.
29:14
Speaker 7: But more to.
29:15
Speaker 15: The point, if the information is inaccurate, then you wouldn't
29:18
Speaker 15: you want a second set of eyes to have a
29:20
Speaker 15: look and reassess that information.
29:23
Speaker 2: Just a question on the overall breakdown in the relationship
29:27
Speaker 2: here during this investigation.
29:29
Speaker 3: I mean that's not great for national security.
29:34
Speaker 15: No, it's absolutely terrible. And the categterism investigations that I've
29:38
Speaker 15: personally been involved with, and there have been plenty, it
29:41
Speaker 15: has always been very good, very open with the State
29:44
Speaker 15: and Territory police AZIO. Definitely a free flow of information
29:48
Speaker 15: backwards and forwards. It's always been good. This is a
29:52
Speaker 15: terrible situation. It's a very very messy situation and it
29:57
Speaker 15: needs to be looked into because the trauma that has
30:00
Speaker 15: caused a number of Australians, not just Jewish Australians, but
30:03
Speaker 15: just the community in general. The waste of police resources
30:06
Speaker 15: and the fear and the fear of crime as escalated,
30:09
Speaker 15: all because someone can't handle their source correctly. It's appalling.
30:13
Speaker 2: No indeed, all right, David, really appreciate your time, Thank
30:16
Speaker 2: you so much.
30:17
Speaker 1: Thank you.
30:18
Speaker 3: Still to come.
30:19
Speaker 2: Is the cost of living crisis to blame for families
30:22
Speaker 2: having fewer babies.
30:23
Speaker 3: I'll speak about this with Kelly Sloan.
30:25
Speaker 2: Plus, it's Ray Hadley's first time back on air and
30:28
Speaker 2: he's fired up about Malcolm Turnbull, Anthony Albanezi and Tony Burke.
30:32
Speaker 3: He's up right after this quick break.
30:38
Speaker 2: Well, if the alban Easy government had any hope of
30:41
Speaker 2: securing a tariff exemption at the eleventh hour, it might
30:44
Speaker 2: have been ruined by Malcolm Turnbull. He claimed he'd done
30:48
Speaker 2: nothing wrong in speaking publicly, and he even attacked the
30:52
Speaker 2: ABC journalists who dared to ask him why he'd criticized
30:55
Speaker 2: Trump at such a delicate time.
30:58
Speaker 18: Is it easier and better for Australia in this acute
31:01
Speaker 18: moment when the tariff decision is obviously being made, if
31:04
Speaker 18: diplomacists are given the maximum opportunity to operate behind closed
31:09
Speaker 18: doors without your intervention.
31:11
Speaker 9: I never thought i'd have to defend free speech here
31:14
Speaker 9: on the seven point thirty report.
31:15
Speaker 11: And I'm glad you're you're you're a little bit embarrassed
31:19
Speaker 11: raising that.
31:20
Speaker 7: With me.
31:22
Speaker 3: Embarrassed?
31:22
Speaker 2: I doubt Sarah Ferguson was embarrassed, and then Turmer was
31:26
Speaker 2: even angry at being asked the same question.
31:29
Speaker 19: This morning, Sally, is this where we've got that we've
31:34
Speaker 19: become or you know, is the ABC becomes so puselanimous
31:37
Speaker 19: that you're seriously suggesting that we shouldn't be free to
31:41
Speaker 19: speak to the truth in Australia for fear of Donald Trump.
31:47
Speaker 2: All right, and I pleased to say joining me now
31:49
Speaker 2: former two GB host Ray Hadley, who will be on
31:51
Speaker 2: every week on my show from now until the federal election.
31:55
Speaker 3: Great to see you again.
31:56
Speaker 2: I'm sure the Prime Minister's overjoyed that you're back on
31:59
Speaker 2: the air and the lead up to the election. Now,
32:03
Speaker 2: tell me Temple, couldn't he have just stayed out of
32:06
Speaker 2: this when it's two days before the tariff exemptions and
32:10
Speaker 2: there are so many businesses who were counting on the
32:13
Speaker 2: government getting these exemptions.
32:15
Speaker 1: It's not his fault, Sharhi.
32:17
Speaker 20: He suffers with relevance deprivation syndrome. It's an affliction that's rarely,
32:22
Speaker 20: of course suffered by former prime ministers, but he and
32:25
Speaker 20: Kevin Rudd suffer greatly with it. The only place you
32:28
Speaker 20: get the starts on the ABC, and now he's burning
32:30
Speaker 20: his bridges there as well.
32:32
Speaker 1: The best thing you can do is pull.
32:34
Speaker 20: His head in, go back to the eastern suburbs and
32:36
Speaker 20: leave the really important stuff that people who can actually
32:39
Speaker 20: make a change. He was a terrible prime minister in
32:43
Speaker 20: that three year period.
32:44
Speaker 1: I thought up until.
32:45
Speaker 20: Albanese, it was a dead heat between he and Kevin
32:48
Speaker 20: Rudd Alberanzi.
32:49
Speaker 1: He's pipped them by a short half head.
32:51
Speaker 20: Now he's the worst prime minister I've seen in thirty
32:53
Speaker 20: five years.
32:53
Speaker 2: Of broadcasting, certainly the weakest, the most ineffective. And I
32:58
Speaker 2: reported last week on air that Trump has been refusing
33:01
Speaker 2: to take Albanese's calls, and Albanesi has been contacting all
33:05
Speaker 2: sorts of people trying to set up the calls, people
33:07
Speaker 2: in the Republican Party. I mean, clearly, this is a
33:10
Speaker 2: deteriorting relationship between Australia and the US under Albanesi.
33:15
Speaker 20: Well, well, I read in this Saturday Telegraph that he
33:19
Speaker 20: declared he's not perfect. My immediate reaction was thanks Scoop.
33:25
Speaker 20: No one's perfect, but there are levels of imperfection, Chari
33:29
Speaker 20: that he reaches great heights. Now if we go back
33:32
Speaker 20: through and I commend you and congratulate you. One of
33:35
Speaker 20: my great regrets about retirement is I don't get the
33:38
Speaker 20: platform I did on Radiator talk about the dreadful anti Semitism.
33:42
Speaker 20: We've confronted the worst I've ever seen the worst, and continually,
33:45
Speaker 20: you know, this hope stuff that you've reported accurately tonight.
33:49
Speaker 20: It just typifies what the Jewish community in Australia are
33:53
Speaker 20: putting up with at the moment. But from October seven,
33:58
Speaker 20: the Prime Minister, who was a cheer for the Palestinians previously,
34:01
Speaker 20: of course in a younger life, he's done nothing.
34:05
Speaker 1: For the Jewish community. He talks the wheezel words. I
34:08
Speaker 1: heard the stuff you did earlier with him and all that.
34:10
Speaker 1: You know, it's dreadful and all the rest of it.
34:11
Speaker 1: But his actions speak louder than words.
34:13
Speaker 20: Because Penny one went to the United Nations and voted
34:16
Speaker 20: on two occasions in a way that we've never vaded
34:19
Speaker 20: before as a nation, and they supported indirectly hamas a
34:23
Speaker 20: terrorist organization.
34:24
Speaker 1: Who are the government in Gaza?
34:27
Speaker 20: They supported them And it just is a string of
34:32
Speaker 20: ineptitude of the Prime Minister. Apparently, I think his Minister
34:36
Speaker 20: for Energy casnaberbow And must be in witness protection.
34:39
Speaker 1: He can't be sited off nobbies.
34:41
Speaker 20: That stupid idea of the offshore wind farm off Port
34:44
Speaker 20: Stevens and off Wollongong. The funding for that's dried up
34:47
Speaker 20: and so is he. He's dried up. And then this
34:51
Speaker 20: dreadful character Tony Burke. Now people would understand pork barreling
34:55
Speaker 20: is about spending money to gain vates. He's doing some
35:00
Speaker 20: something far worse than that. He's pork barreling Australian citizenship.
35:06
Speaker 20: Australian citizenship is being used to gain him a foothold
35:10
Speaker 20: in his electorate and to try and return labor by
35:13
Speaker 20: pretending that, you know, he's very sympathetic to the Muslim
35:16
Speaker 20: cause he's very sympathetic. And thirty and a half thousand
35:19
Speaker 20: people unprecedented, and I was infuriated that it didn't get
35:23
Speaker 20: the coverage except here that it deserved. It's the worst
35:26
Speaker 20: case of political basardry I've.
35:29
Speaker 1: Seen in again thirty five years.
35:31
Speaker 20: By this weasel word, Tony Burke has got the audacity
35:35
Speaker 20: to attack Peter Dutton tonight about the way Peter Dutton
35:39
Speaker 20: handle this very delicate story about the hoax.
35:41
Speaker 1: The AFP have a major problem.
35:43
Speaker 20: They need to deal with that and deal with the
35:45
Speaker 20: New South Wales Police in regard to that. But Tony Burke,
35:48
Speaker 20: I mean, with your vote for Albert easy By, may
35:51
Speaker 20: you get Casanova Bowen back, you get Penny Wong back,
35:54
Speaker 20: and you get Tony Burke back.
35:55
Speaker 1: I mean what a quadrilla.
35:57
Speaker 3: No exactly.
35:58
Speaker 2: I mean, Tony Burke, you just fo there rushing through
36:02
Speaker 2: between twelve and thirteen and a half thousand people. I mean,
36:05
Speaker 2: as you say, it's the equivalent of vote branch stacking,
36:08
Speaker 2: rushing through people to be new Australian citizens in and
36:11
Speaker 2: it's been revealed that the majority of the electorates will
36:14
Speaker 2: Labor electorates. So trying to hope and a lot of
36:18
Speaker 2: the Liberal MPs say that they weren't invited. Die Le
36:22
Speaker 2: says that she never got her invitation to it. So
36:24
Speaker 2: the hope is presumably that these new citizens will be
36:28
Speaker 2: thankful and grateful. Because Tony Burke was there, his diary
36:32
Speaker 2: was checked, he attended many of the ceremonies, so you
36:35
Speaker 2: know this would be the equivalent of vote branch stacking.
36:40
Speaker 2: You know, you just wonder how they're going to vote
36:42
Speaker 2: and whether it will make a difference in those seats.
36:45
Speaker 3: But Ray, I want to ask.
36:46
Speaker 2: I want to ask about the election because we're seeing
36:49
Speaker 2: the polls kind of shows that it's most likely to
36:52
Speaker 2: be a hung parliament. The polls were totally wrong in
36:55
Speaker 2: the US election. They said it was neck and neck
36:57
Speaker 2: between Trump and Kamala. Trump won by a Lance slide.
37:00
Speaker 3: Do you trust that the polls are accurate here?
37:05
Speaker 20: Well, they haven't got it right recently in the last
37:08
Speaker 20: two elections. You know, you go back three elections, they've
37:11
Speaker 20: probably got it close to being right. But and maybe
37:14
Speaker 20: Morrison's demise was typified by the Poles to a certain extent.
37:19
Speaker 20: But I would plead with people that I lived through
37:25
Speaker 20: Robot Shot and Tony Windsor. I live through that. I mean,
37:28
Speaker 20: it's probably the most agonizing thirty minutes of my broadcasting
37:31
Speaker 20: life's listening to those two adults talk about, you know,
37:34
Speaker 20: whether they go with Julia Gillard or go the other way.
37:37
Speaker 20: And that was bad enough with Windsor and ake Shot.
37:40
Speaker 20: You're going to get Adam Benton, the Greens You're going
37:43
Speaker 20: to get and where are they by the way, talking
37:45
Speaker 20: about the marine life that's going to be disrupted if
37:49
Speaker 20: this imbecile Bowen gets his way.
37:51
Speaker 1: But you're going to get the Greens. If it is in.
37:54
Speaker 20: Fact going to be a hung parliament, Labor will do
37:57
Speaker 20: whatever they can to hold on to power, and that'll.
37:59
Speaker 1: Mean to deal with the Greens.
38:01
Speaker 20: We would be one of the few nations in the
38:03
Speaker 20: world with a Green government. Now you're see what they've
38:06
Speaker 20: done in Canberra over twenty one years, a Green lead government.
38:09
Speaker 20: For goodness sake, you can't have a hung parliament because
38:12
Speaker 20: it'll go the same way it did with Julia get Out,
38:15
Speaker 20: only a whole lot uglier now.
38:17
Speaker 3: Albanize he couldn't decide when to call the election. He
38:20
Speaker 3: was dithering.
38:21
Speaker 2: He was planning eventually finally to call it on Sunday.
38:24
Speaker 2: He then had to cancel those plans because of the
38:27
Speaker 2: ex cyclone Alfred. This now means that Labor will likely
38:33
Speaker 2: have to deliver a budget unless they want a very
38:35
Speaker 2: long election campaign.
38:37
Speaker 3: They'd been planning to avoid the budget. They didn't want
38:39
Speaker 3: to have. You know, part of their narrative is the
38:41
Speaker 3: fact that there've been two surpluses. There's not going to
38:44
Speaker 3: be a surplus. Now.
38:45
Speaker 2: Do you think this budget will work against the government.
38:50
Speaker 20: Well, look, I think that you know, doctor Chalmers can
38:56
Speaker 20: juggle the figures the best he's like, but I don't
38:58
Speaker 20: think the news is going to be too broad. They
39:01
Speaker 20: got the bounce with the Reserve Bank reducing interest rates
39:04
Speaker 20: and they thought that might favor them, and to a
39:06
Speaker 20: certain extent, even though they had nothing that they claimed
39:09
Speaker 20: the victory but they had nothing to do with the
39:10
Speaker 20: Reserve Bank bringing the interest rates down. They did that
39:14
Speaker 20: in spite of the spending of the federal government. But look,
39:19
Speaker 20: when he calls it, he calls it, that'll be a
39:21
Speaker 20: matter for him. But whether it's short or along the campaign,
39:25
Speaker 20: I would implore people watching you and watching sky News
39:29
Speaker 20: to really think about what they're going to do for
39:31
Speaker 20: the sake of my children and my grandchildren, and your
39:34
Speaker 20: children and your grandchildren down the track. This nation is
39:38
Speaker 20: in a crisis point thanks to this in the labor
39:41
Speaker 20: government over the past few years.
39:43
Speaker 2: Ray, I just want to ask you personal question now.
39:46
Speaker 2: I mean, not long after you retired from radio, you
39:51
Speaker 2: found out that your three year old granddaughter, Loyla had leukemia.
39:55
Speaker 2: She's been in hospital. How is she doing, how her
40:00
Speaker 2: parents coping? How are you doing.
40:04
Speaker 1: Well?
40:05
Speaker 20: Thanks for your concern, and I appreciate the concern of
40:07
Speaker 20: a lot of people that have contacted me about my
40:09
Speaker 20: little baby granddaughter, one of seven grandchildren. Loll was back
40:13
Speaker 20: in hospital at the moment, under the care of expert
40:16
Speaker 20: on collegist at John Hunter because she's susceptible to infection.
40:20
Speaker 20: She has virtually no immune system because of the leukemia.
40:24
Speaker 20: I'm very proud of my daughter Laura, her mum and
40:26
Speaker 20: her dad Brad and the rest of my family who
40:30
Speaker 20: stood by and helped in every possible way.
40:34
Speaker 1: In fact, Laura tried to get some positive.
40:37
Speaker 20: About of all at this last Monday when she phoned
40:40
Speaker 20: me and said, Dad, did you know that eighty six
40:42
Speaker 20: children across Australia every month contracts some form of cancer?
40:46
Speaker 20: And I didn't, And so she contacted the Children's Cancer
40:50
Speaker 20: Institute and said, how can we help? And they've got
40:51
Speaker 20: a fundraiser which is in progress at the moment, and
40:55
Speaker 20: my daughter swung into action. I helped her to a
40:57
Speaker 20: certain extent by getting my media colleagues to who were hebanda,
41:01
Speaker 20: including my former colleague Ben Fordham, And in the space
41:04
Speaker 20: of five days she raised fifty one thousand dollars.
41:06
Speaker 2: Wow, share us the details, if not now then the
41:09
Speaker 2: next Yuesday where you're on and.
41:11
Speaker 20: I can tell you right now it's double see double
41:13
Speaker 20: cia dot org dot au. And the two names are
41:17
Speaker 20: Lola and Ava. That's not Ava, her elder sister. That's
41:19
Speaker 20: another little girl who's in remission thankfully. And the money's
41:24
Speaker 20: going to.
41:25
Speaker 1: The institute obviously.
41:26
Speaker 20: And I'm so proud of this crisis that my daughter
41:30
Speaker 20: and I guess it's a diversion for her to try
41:32
Speaker 20: and think about other things and other people who are
41:34
Speaker 20: in the same position as her and her husband.
41:36
Speaker 1: But look, it's a battle a lot of.
41:38
Speaker 20: Families are going through at the moment and we're no
41:40
Speaker 20: different to those families, and we just hap and pray
41:43
Speaker 20: the result in a couple of years will be a
41:45
Speaker 20: very positive one.
41:46
Speaker 2: All right, Ray, We're so sorry you're going through this,
41:48
Speaker 2: and all of our love to Lola and your daughter.
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Speaker 3: All right, and we'll see you next Tuesday. Thank you
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Speaker 3: for coming on.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate the offer. Thank you very much.
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Speaker 3: Thanks, thanks Ray.
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Speaker 2: All Right, Still to calm insurance claims following a cyclone
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Speaker 2: Alfred plus, why is labor making IVF harder for couples
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Speaker 2: to access? Kelly Sloane will join me next Welcome back Well.
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Speaker 2: Shadow health Minister in New South Wales. Kelly Sloane writes
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Speaker 2: today that fewer symbols capture the quiet heartbreak of modern
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Speaker 2: Australia more than the shrinking family table. She writes, fewer children,
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Speaker 2: fewer siblings, fewer grandkids, and she says that Australia has
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Speaker 2: gone from a baby boom to a baby bust in
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Speaker 2: just a few generations, and that this demographic shift is
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Speaker 2: reshaping our country's future. And for more on this, Kelly
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Speaker 2: Sloane joins me. Now, Kelly, thank you very much.
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Speaker 3: For being here. Look what are the figures to start with?
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Speaker 2: What do the figures tell us about how women or
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Speaker 2: families are having fewer children?
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Speaker 21: Well, we know that of course in the baby boom
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Speaker 21: there was this huge population boom in Australia, But today
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Speaker 21: the grandchildren are having fewer children. So women today are
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Speaker 21: having on average one point five children each, and to
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Speaker 21: replace our population we need two point one. So that's
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Speaker 21: one for you, one for your husband, and a bit
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Speaker 21: extra to cover those that won't have babies or who
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Speaker 21: pass away. There are huge societal and economic issues with
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Speaker 21: that decline. It means fewer taxpayers, fewer people to look
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Speaker 21: after us when we're older, and a greater reliance ultimately
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Speaker 21: on immigration. So I'm saying this is an unfortunate but
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Speaker 21: very present issue of our time. One in every seventeen
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Speaker 21: kids in a school classroom is born through IBF today,
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Speaker 21: so you get one or two in every classroom. It's
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Speaker 21: a modern reality and it's a reality that comes with
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Speaker 21: couples having kids later necessarily, so unfortunately because of the
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Speaker 21: cost of living and the other pressures on young families.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so just to break it down, the reason that
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Speaker 2: people are having fewer babies is that economic reasons. Is
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Speaker 2: it the cost of living or is it that we're
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Speaker 2: marrying older and having children older, And of course then
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Speaker 2: you often come across fertility issues.
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Speaker 3: So that is all of that combined.
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Speaker 21: We're having kids later because we're having careers first, and
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Speaker 21: that's often by necessity. So young couples today have it's
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Speaker 21: so much tougher than the generations before them. So if
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Speaker 21: you are having a family or getting married back in
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Speaker 21: you know, the baby boomers generation, to buy a house
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Speaker 21: that would cost you three to four times your average
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Speaker 21: and your salary.
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Speaker 3: These days it costs you nice.
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Speaker 21: It'd be so nice, but these days it's ten to
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Speaker 21: fifteen times as much. And there are all sorts of
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Speaker 21: other pressures, the cost of living pressures, you know, population pressures,
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Speaker 21: and unfortunately people can't afford to have children early. Now,
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Speaker 21: the unfortunate consequence of that is your biology doesn't wait
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Speaker 21: until your economics catch up. So lots of couples are
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Speaker 21: having fertility issues. It's a problem just as much for
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Speaker 21: men as women. IVF specialist say that in about a
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Speaker 21: third of cases the issue is with the woman's biology,
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Speaker 21: a third is with the male and the other third
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Speaker 21: they just can't determine.
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Speaker 3: I didn't realize that. That's so interesting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this has become a big political issue because
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Speaker 2: the new South Wales government has scaled back the two
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars rebate that the former coalition government had in
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Speaker 2: place for IVF.
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Speaker 3: Is that right, that's right?
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Speaker 21: So don perite in the former coalition government brought in
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Speaker 21: a two thousand dollars IVF rebate just to kickstart that
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Speaker 21: fertility journey for couples. It doesn't come anywhere near paying
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Speaker 21: the full cost, which can be between eight and twelve
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Speaker 21: thousand dollars for the first round, and many couples have
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Speaker 21: many rounds, but it said we've got you back, we're
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Speaker 21: investing in you, we're going to get you started because
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Speaker 21: it's important. It's important for families who have that ultimate
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Speaker 21: goal of having a baby to cherish, which is so
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Speaker 21: heartfelt and it's our reason for being in many people's lives,
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Speaker 21: but also an economic imperative. We need those future workers,
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Speaker 21: we need those taxpayers, and a reliance on immigration to
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Speaker 21: make up for that isn't the answer.
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Speaker 2: No, it puts more pressure on the House of crisis
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Speaker 2: and the cost of the EVIC I guess.
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Speaker 21: So the end point to that is that the chris
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Speaker 21: Min's government removed that subsidy in effect by means testing
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Speaker 21: it virtually out of existence. So what they were saying
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Speaker 21: is if you earn one hundred and sixteen thousand dollars
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Speaker 21: as a couple, so that's fifty eight thousand dollars each,
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Speaker 21: you are ineligible. So that discounts every key worker in
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Speaker 21: the state. Your first year teachers, your first year nurses
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Speaker 21: can't be part of this program. And I can't tell you, Shari,
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Speaker 21: the response that I've had from the community from parents
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Speaker 21: desperate to start families as a result IVF clinics across
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Speaker 21: Sydney have had a rush of applications over Christmas time
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Speaker 21: for couples trying to get in and take advantage of.
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Speaker 3: It before it cuts off.
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Speaker 2: Just very quickly, Kelly, before you go, you know you're
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Speaker 2: electorate is in is a state election, of course, but
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Speaker 2: it's in the same federal area.
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Speaker 3: As Wentworth.
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Speaker 2: What's the sense you're getting about how tough the battle
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Speaker 2: is at the moment for the liberal candidate Roeknox against
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Speaker 2: the deal a leg Respender.
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Speaker 21: I think it's going to be a tough battle for
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Speaker 21: both major candidates. For a Legraspender, who's the current member
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Speaker 21: facing a challenge by Roeknox, who's an incredibly impressive Liberal
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Speaker 21: candidate in the area, local businesswoman, someone who knows the
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Speaker 21: area well, who's connected very strongly with the community. The
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Speaker 21: landscape has shifted entirely from the last election when Dave
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Speaker 21: Sharma was running an outstanding candidate himself local member. But
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Speaker 21: we had that real shift, that change. But the current
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Speaker 21: economic circumstances, the border security issues, and the issues within
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Speaker 21: the very large Jewish population in our community have meant
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Speaker 21: that the pendulum has shifted enormously. This is a seat
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Speaker 21: to watch, and if Wentworth falls to Roeknox, the liberal candidate,
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Speaker 21: it'll be a liberal government. So it's an important contest
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Speaker 21: and it'll be the one to watch in my opinion,
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Speaker 21: and Roeknox is a candidate to watch.
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Speaker 3: All right, thank you so much, calvially, welcome your time.
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Speaker 2: All right, after the break, we'll across to Queensland as
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Speaker 2: the recovery efforts continues.
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Speaker 3: Stay tuned Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Southeast Queensland is through the worst of the weather from
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Speaker 2: ex tropical Cyclone Alfred. The region is turning its attention
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Speaker 2: from response to recovery as the rain eass and the
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Speaker 2: rivers received. Sky News reporter at Kaeser Shields has the details.
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Speaker 5: Oxley, which is about to thirteen minute drive southwest of Brisbane,
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Speaker 5: is one of the worst affected areas from x Tropical
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Speaker 5: Cyclone Alfred. This two story brick building is home to
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Speaker 5: several generations of the same family and was flooded with
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Speaker 5: water from Oxley Creek. Family and Brand helps the residents
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Speaker 5: start cleaning up yesterday before volunteers joined in today.
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Speaker 22: We have seen people's houses and living areas affected, which
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Speaker 22: is always really traumatic because you know, it means they've
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Speaker 22: got belongings that they've lost. We've also had underhouse areas
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Speaker 22: where people store, fridges where people have their washing machines
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Speaker 22: set up, so they people have lost white goods and
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Speaker 22: things like that. It has not been as bad as
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Speaker 22: twenty twenty two, but of course, if you are a
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Speaker 22: person whose house has been inundated and you're waking up
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Speaker 22: this morning with mud on half the things you own.
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Speaker 3: That's really cold comfort.
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Speaker 5: The owner is in good spirits, even though he has
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Speaker 5: no insurance. He says it would have cost him about
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Speaker 5: twenty seven thousand dollars a year to ensure the property
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Speaker 5: for about three hundred thousand dollars after the floods in
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty two. This is just one family facing a
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Speaker 5: massive cleanup.
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Speaker 2: All right, thanks for that update there on the recovery,
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Speaker 2: and that's all we've got time for today. Thank you
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Speaker 2: so much for joining me tonight. I'll be back to
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Speaker 2: morow another big show. James Patterson would join me live.
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Speaker 2: We might also have another special guest, but right now,
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Speaker 2: here's Paul Murray