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Ian Furness 9/28 H1: it's a little depressing... Hardcore Football with Hugh Millen dives deep into that Seahawks loss. · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: Now, from the Star Runnels Sports Desk, your 93.3 KKRFM
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  Speaker 1: Sports Headlines.
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  Speaker 2: All right, headlines are brought to you by Frostbrew Coors
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  Speaker 2: Light Cold as a Rocky. It's a weekend of losses
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  Speaker 2: all the way around. M's manager Dan Wilson announced that
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  Speaker 2: yesterday's 7-3 win of the Angels was his last as
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  Speaker 2: a skipper of the team. Just moments ago, the team
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  Speaker 2: also announced the bench coach Manny Acton, infield coach Perry Hill,
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  Speaker 2: hitting coach Kevin Seitzer, first base coach Eric Young Jr.
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  Speaker 2: will not return next season. Jerry DiPoto press conference at 1.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of losses, Seahawks went to D.C.
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  Speaker 3: Yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Lost to the Commanders 33-31. They turned the ball over
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  Speaker 2: three times. Sam Donald threw two interceptions, including a gut
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  Speaker 2: punch pick six in the fourth. Darian Price had a fumble.
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  Speaker 2: Chargers in town. They're winless Sunday at 125. Other NFL news. J.J.
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  Speaker 2: McCarthy headed the Giants for a seventh-round pick. Dolphins running
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  Speaker 2: back Devon Achan will miss the rest of the season.
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  Speaker 2: Torn ACL. Baker Mayfield's got a dislocated thumb day-to-day, week-to-week.
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  Speaker 3: Lots going on.
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  Speaker 2: Huskies lost to the Golden Gophers of Minnesota on Saturday night.
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  Speaker 3: 27-24.
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  Speaker 2: DeMond Williams came alive in the fourth quarter for the Dogs.
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  Speaker 2: They trailed 24-10. Too little, too late. Next up, USC
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  Speaker 2: on the road. Cougs put up a fight in Pullman.
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  Speaker 2: Hosted the Wildcats and Noah Fafita of Arizona. End result
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  Speaker 2: didn't go their way either. It was a 34-24 loss.
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  Speaker 2: Next up, Fresno State.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go.
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  Speaker 3: Monday.
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  Speaker 2: Black Monday in baseball for a lot of teams. Black
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  Speaker 2: Monday for the weekend that was us here in Seattle.
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  Speaker 3: Not good. Hey, Ash, how are we doing?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, a little sports depressed, Ian.
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  Speaker 3: Not going to lie.
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  Speaker 2: Sports depression has set in. No doubt about that. No
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  Speaker 2: doubt at all. Well, one year ago, we were sitting
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  Speaker 2: here talking about how cool it is that the Mariners
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  Speaker 2: don't play again this week. Because it was a bye
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  Speaker 2: week for them. They had the wild card round, or
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  Speaker 2: whatever the hell they call it now. I guess wild
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  Speaker 2: card playoffs, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They were off.
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  Speaker 3: They had a bye.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, wasn't that nice?
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  Speaker 2: Bad news is they're off again this week. And they're
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  Speaker 2: off until whenever they figure out the collective bargaining agreement
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  Speaker 2: and baseball's labor situation.
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  Speaker 5: Which makes it so much more depressing, the idea that
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  Speaker 5: they're not even going to be back on time, if
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  Speaker 5: at all.
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  Speaker 2: Very doubtful they'll be on time next year. Very doubtful.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll get to Dan and that in a second.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a hardcore football 12-20 today with Hugh Millen.
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  Speaker 2: That was a strange game.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: The NFL is, we say it all the time, and
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  Speaker 2: you hear coaches use this term all the time, it's
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  Speaker 2: hard to win in the NFL, it's hard to win
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  Speaker 2: in football, blah, blah, blah. We hear that a lot, right?
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  Speaker 2: And there's a reason for that, because it is. You
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  Speaker 2: kind of look through what's going on in the NFL
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  Speaker 2: right now. I mean, we're three weeks in, and yet
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  Speaker 2: there's five teams left that are undefeated, three in the NFC, Minnesota,
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco, Philadelphia, Eagles play tonight, by the way, here
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  Speaker 2: on KJR. Uh, Kansas city and Buffalo are unbeaten in
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  Speaker 2: the AFC and that's it. Uh, in fact, there's more
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  Speaker 2: Owen or there's as many Owen three teams as three
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  Speaker 2: and O teams. Uh, there's one in the AFS NFC,
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  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay. They're just a train wreck. Houston is a
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  Speaker 2: surprising Owen three. I mean, I would just say this
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  Speaker 2: if you're a Seahawk fan, because the Texans didn't win
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  Speaker 2: a super bowl last year, but they were considered to
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  Speaker 2: be an AFC favorite. one of the favorites in the
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  Speaker 2: AFC and a team that could be playing in the
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowl, they're 0-3 in their division. And now the
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  Speaker 2: good news is they're only a couple games behind Jacksonville,
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  Speaker 2: which is 2-1 in the South, and everyone else in
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  Speaker 2: the South is 1-2 or 0-3. So they're okay, but
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  Speaker 2: they're in trouble. I mean, 0-3 doesn't feel too good.
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  Speaker 2: 2-1 is not where Seattle expected to be. They pulled
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  Speaker 2: one out of their backside in Week 1.
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  Speaker 1: They....
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  Speaker 2: Had a great second half in week two. And they
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  Speaker 2: had a bad game yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Bad game.
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  Speaker 2: Just a bad game yesterday. And those happen in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Those happen over the course of 17 games. But it'll
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  Speaker 2: be good to have Hugh on here in a little
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  Speaker 2: bit because I think there are some concerns. Running the football,
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  Speaker 2: number one.
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  Speaker 4: Holding onto the football.
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  Speaker 2: Holding onto the football. Turning the ball over. Defense was
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  Speaker 2: unable a couple times to get off the field.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: The last play that Mariota made, third and seven, whatever
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  Speaker 2: it was, and he gets nine. That's just not good enough.
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  Speaker 2: And that was probably something you look on tape and
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  Speaker 2: you say, well, Drake Thomas got sealed off and maybe
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  Speaker 2: DeMarcus Lawrence should have helped set the edge as opposed
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  Speaker 2: to going to try to tackle the quarterback in the backfield.
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  Speaker 2: But those are things that happen in the course of
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  Speaker 2: 17 games. I know there's going to be a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stuff talked about with Ken Walker. I would always
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  Speaker 2: keep in mind with Ken Walker. It is hard because
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  Speaker 2: then you watch him and he just goes bananas every
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  Speaker 2: week and finds his way to the end zone. First
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  Speaker 2: of all, CX never used him in the damn red zone.
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  Speaker 1: Ever.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 4: But it's just an extra salt in the wound.
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  Speaker 2: Seeing him score touchdowns is kind of like, he's probably like,
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  Speaker 2: this is kind of cool. It's first to goal from
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  Speaker 2: the six, and I get the ball a couple times.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, look what I can do, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I never got to do that until Charbonnet got hurt.
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  Speaker 2: And he probably wouldn't do it this year. They'd probably
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  Speaker 2: have Emmanuel Wilson doing it, right?
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  Speaker 3: Probably.
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  Speaker 2: Or Helani or whatever else. But the reason, let's keep
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  Speaker 2: in mind the decision that was made. Like, I wish
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  Speaker 2: he was still here. Most of us wish he was
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  Speaker 2: still here. And I think we all agree he'd be
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  Speaker 2: a better option at this point in time than Jadarian Price.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: But they signed... JSN, Devin Witherspoon. Like you got to
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  Speaker 2: make financial decisions.
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  Speaker 4: You can't keep them all.
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  Speaker 2: Can't keep them all. But the pick six by Sam
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  Speaker 2: was just egregious.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. I mean, just watching. It was like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: my God, it's just him. What are you?
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 3: Why?
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  Speaker 5: It's just this guy that came in to replace this
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  Speaker 5: other guy that was kicking our butts.
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  Speaker 2: A guy that came in to replace a guy that
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  Speaker 2: was replacing a guy who was hurting Frankie Louvo.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That was number three.
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  Speaker 4: This was the third guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And the second guy was already kicking our butts.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say it'd be the equivalent of
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  Speaker 2: Chaz Surratt, but no, Surratt's like a backup.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like this guy.
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  Speaker 4: It was his first NFL action that wasn't special teams,
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  Speaker 4: I think.
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  Speaker 2: He just housed it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 4: It was so frustrating.
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  Speaker 2: You played awful and you lost by two.
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  Speaker 1: Awful.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a good sign.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't feel good, but yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The rushing yards, the net rushing yards, you have 44
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  Speaker 2: rushing yards. 25 came in the first half. 11 of
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  Speaker 2: those 25 came on one run, the first play of
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  Speaker 2: the game. After that, nothing. Like, nothing. They had 70.
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  Speaker 2: If you take that rush out, if you take the
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  Speaker 2: 11 yards out, and I think first play of the game,
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  Speaker 2: you can, I know we've done this exercise before, Ash.
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  Speaker 2: But I think in this case, you can take that first.
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  Speaker 2: It was a first play.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: 17 carries for 33 yards the rest of the way,
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  Speaker 2: a long carry of seven.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we made their defense look like the best
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  Speaker 4: in the NFL.
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  Speaker 5: And I understand the weather was crappy and there's things
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  Speaker 5: like that, but they had to play in the same
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  Speaker 5: weather we did.
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  Speaker 2: And a 1.94 yards per carry after if you take
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  Speaker 2: away the one. It's just, do you miss Anthony Bradford
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  Speaker 2: that much?
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  Speaker 1: Lord.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we didn't have them last week, though, right?
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  Speaker 5: True.
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  Speaker 2: But the weird thing is they were awful in the
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  Speaker 2: first half last week, and then they had that drive
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  Speaker 2: at the end that kind of skewed our attention a
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  Speaker 2: little bit towards them. Yeah, true. I'll chalk it up
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  Speaker 2: a couple ways with the Seahawks to it's one game.
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  Speaker 2: But if we're really kind of pulling all three games
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  Speaker 2: out with a macro view of it, you can look
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  Speaker 2: and see there have been some problems.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. There's some holes in it. That's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: There have been some issues along the way. And I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the slow starts, probably part of it. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think that helps much. And the turnovers are just critical.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, just absolutely critical. You know, make you feel better.
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  Speaker 2: What happened to the Rams last night was the exact
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  Speaker 2: same thing. That did actually make me feel better. It
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  Speaker 2: made most people feel better.
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  Speaker 5: Especially blowing the 16-0 lead and then losing again. Although
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  Speaker 5: then when they almost won it at the very end,
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  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, this will actually hurt so much worse.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and it was kind of cool to see Stafford
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  Speaker 2: throw a pick six, too. And Hufunga, the former 49er,
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  Speaker 2: house it. I enjoyed that.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't they say something like he's thrown the most pick
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  Speaker 5: sixes in... in his NFL career than anyone, but I
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  Speaker 5: was like, yeah, but he's been in the NFL since 1996.
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  Speaker 2: See, that's kind of like the Lenny Wilkins stat. Lenny Wilkins,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he still owns both the records,
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  Speaker 2: but at one time, Lenny Wilkins owned the records in
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  Speaker 2: the NBA for the most wins all time as a
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  Speaker 2: head coach and the most losses.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, he'd been in the league longer than anybody.
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  Speaker 4: Right, so it's like, well, okay, maybe we average it out.
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  Speaker 2: In three games, the Seahawks have scored a total of
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  Speaker 2: 17 first-half points. They've scored just seven points in a
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  Speaker 2: first quarter this year.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: All three first quarters combined, seven points.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: They have done the majority of their damage, have the
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  Speaker 2: Seahawks in the second half. They've got 58 second half points.
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  Speaker 2: They've got 17 first half points. Again, seven and 10
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  Speaker 2: first and second quarter. The slow starts have got to
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  Speaker 2: get better.
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  Speaker 3: They do.
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  Speaker 2: You can't just keep coming out and laying an egg
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  Speaker 2: early on.
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  Speaker 4: But I do think they're going to.
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  Speaker 5: And I mean, I do at least appreciate that when
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  Speaker 5: we come back in the second half, we have figured
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  Speaker 5: some stuff out.
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  Speaker 3: We have, contrary to.
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  Speaker 5: Manning belief done some halftime adjustments, but it is and
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  Speaker 5: it is. I think you look at last year. Obviously,
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  Speaker 5: you remember that first game against San Francisco and we
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  Speaker 5: didn't play well. And what happens throughout the year? This
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  Speaker 5: team just gets better and better and better and better.
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  Speaker 5: as they play along. So I do expect that it's
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  Speaker 5: going to continue in that trend and we're going to improve.
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  Speaker 5: It's also hard when you don't have Julian Love and
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  Speaker 5: you don't have Ty Okada.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great point. And we'll talk to you about that.
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  Speaker 2: That's a huge point. I think Rodney Thomas made a play.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Last week, didn't make any plays. I mean, him and A.J.
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  Speaker 2: Finley were, I think, and if you're a good team,
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  Speaker 2: you're looking over going, all right. Hugh uses the term
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  Speaker 2: pigeon all the time, which I kind of like. But
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  Speaker 2: we're the pigeons. Well, it was two safeties. And they
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  Speaker 2: went after him. The other thing, too, is I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how sustainable it is to have one wide receiver.
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  Speaker 4: No, probably not. I mean, yeah, when you can just
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  Speaker 4: only go to him.
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  Speaker 2: JSN has 27 receptions. Cooper Cup has eight. A.J. Barner
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  Speaker 2: has eight and five came yesterday. Rasheed Shaheed, six. If
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  Speaker 2: we just go through the list, the receivers, 27 for JSN,
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  Speaker 2: eight for Cup, six for Shaheed. Torrey Horton, three. His
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  Speaker 2: first three came yesterday, and then there's nothing else after that.
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  Speaker 2: He's got to get some help elsewhere. God, he's good, though. Lord,
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  Speaker 2: is he good.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, so good.
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  Speaker 4: But you look at, too, it was touchdown-wise, right? He's
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  Speaker 4: got six of.
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  Speaker 4: The Seahawks, how many?
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  Speaker 2: They only have seven.
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  Speaker 4: Eight.
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  Speaker 5: Nine.
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  Speaker 4: They have nine now. One rushing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: And eight receiving. And he's got six of them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and then the rushing one, I don't think it counts.
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  Speaker 2: It was a barnyard push. Well, yeah, true.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm just saying, like, that's when they said it
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  Speaker 5: yesterday that he had five of the six, I think,
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  Speaker 5: at the time.
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  Speaker 4: So it was. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Fun times. Mariners at one o'clock. Let's, in the meantime,
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  Speaker 2: get to Hugh Millen. Hardcore football coming up next.
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  Speaker 1: Now here's Hugh with Ian Furness on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR-FM.
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  Speaker 2: All right, hardcore football, Hugh Millen, every Monday after a game,
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  Speaker 2: after the Seahawks, and boy, we haven't had one of
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  Speaker 2: these in a while. It's been a long time since
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  Speaker 2: we had one of these, Hugh, where we had to
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  Speaker 2: talk about something that wasn't very good. How are you,
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  Speaker 2: my friend?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, well, you know, pretty bad weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty bad weekend all the way around.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't expect to lose to Minnesota. Nope, nope. Didn't expect
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  Speaker 3: to lose to the Commanders. Didn't expect the Mariners to
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  Speaker 3: be out of the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: Nope.
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  Speaker 2: No, not a good week.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, yeah. They'll wrap that in route right in
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  Speaker 3: front of Finley. You would definitely say that was attacking
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  Speaker 3: the pigeon. Now, that was a backside read. So what
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  Speaker 3: that means, you tell the quarterback, this is an important
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  Speaker 3: part of just play construction. With five linemen and you're
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  Speaker 3: the quarterback, now we got six. There's five guys that
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  Speaker 3: are left that are eligible receivers. And so the defense
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  Speaker 3: will see it declared. as as five receivers and either
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  Speaker 3: a three by two or a four by one even
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  Speaker 3: if there's a running back eventually the back has got
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  Speaker 3: to declare what side he's going to so the defense
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  Speaker 3: always has a three receiver side eventually right either initially
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  Speaker 3: or eventually pre-snap or post-snap and so that second touchdown
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  Speaker 3: Mariota's looking to his left he has a three receiver
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  Speaker 3: combination but Ernest Jones, who's in the middle of the defense,
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  Speaker 3: Seattle's in a two-deep, five-under zone. And so you say, okay,
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  Speaker 3: at that line of scrimmage, that looks balanced from a quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: There's a safety on either half. Then there's five– I mean,
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  Speaker 3: hold up your hand. The middle finger is– you know,
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  Speaker 3: you've got– it's like looking at five fingers. And so
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  Speaker 3: you're looking at the middle guy and see what does
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  Speaker 3: he do. When the middle– goes to the three receiver
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  Speaker 3: side as you should, if he goes perhaps too aggressively
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  Speaker 3: for that particular coverage, then you have a one-on-one on
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  Speaker 3: the backside with Drake Thomas and you just kind of
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  Speaker 3: set the cheese for him, freeze him with a wide
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  Speaker 3: receiver in a backfield, and then what's called you do
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  Speaker 3: a wrap in route, wrap dig route, in breaking route
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  Speaker 3: right in front of Finley. And so a lesser experienced safety,
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  Speaker 3: if you had a safety that, If Julian Love's there,
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  Speaker 3: I'd have a lot more hesitation as a quarterback because
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  Speaker 3: I would just feel like he'd be able to decipher it,
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  Speaker 3: he'd be at the correct depth, and then he would
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: trigger on it instantly. With Finley, you just say, okay,
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: he's probably going to be a little too deep, probably
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: going to read it late, and he's going to trigger
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: top-down late and you get your touchdown, and that's what
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: Mariota probably thought. You nailed it.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: Hardcore football. Huge. Jadarian Price, left tackle, first play of
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: the game, got 11 yards. His next carry, he went
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: for minus four off the right side, which was a
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: problem yesterday. And then that was it. They ended up
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: punting on that drive. The second drive, they get the
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: ball back, and he gets two yards. As he's going down,
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: he fumbles the football. You've watched him now for three weeks,
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: Jadarian Price, first-round pick.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: And.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: I want to separate it from Ken Walker's success in
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Kansas City. I don't know if you can when people
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: are going to watch and compare, and there's a lot
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: involved here with salaries and salary cap and all that management,
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: but just when you see the rookie and you saw
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: the fumble after the first play that he gets 11 yards,
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: he's had a couple little pops like that, but what
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: are you seeing from him?
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: Well, the first play was a lead stretch. They get
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: Brady Russell coming in motion, and then he leads out
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: on the stretch play, and so The commanders, they flowed hard.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: That play was designed to go to the D gap,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: as in delta to the left. But you saw the
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: talent that Price has. Now, ideally, when you go to
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: the backside, you don't chop your feet. You could do
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: it at full stride. You make your decision by your
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: third step. And then on your fifth step, if you're
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: going to go backside, you do it without– chopping your feet,
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: but I think based on how the left side kind
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: of got collapsed, he had to do what he had
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: to do. It was a beautiful run, and he actually
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: hits it back on the backside C-gap. That would be
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: on the– if you said raise your– stood to the
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: line and says, somebody raise their hand and raise the
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: particular hand where this gap is. Who has the C-gap? Well,
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Abe Lucas would have raised his right hand, his outside hand.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: So that's where the ball went, Ian. It started left,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: far to the left, and then wrapped all the way back.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: So that was a great piece of running. As for
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: the fumble, Christian Haynes, look, I don't know how they're
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: being taught, but there was a run-through linebacker that came
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: from the backside, 52. I always just go by my old.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Just go 52.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Nobody cares. Nobody cares. He's the inside linebacker. Yeah. And
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: he comes running through, and there's a term called hinging.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: Your son would know it well, where you cut off
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: the inside, and then your inside leg you hinge, and
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: then you block the man who is behind you because
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: the play is going away from you, right? So we're
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: trying to go outside to the left, Say, okay, right guard,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: what are you going to do? Cut off hinge. And
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: that would be if you were a tackle, you would
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: do that technique. But a guard has got to mind
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: that A-gap for that free runner. So 52, he sees
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: an opening, and Christian Haynes is doing this hinge technique
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: as opposed to climbing and getting him. I would have
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: thought that they would try and– and what's called deuce
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: that block where the guard and the right tackle would,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: they would combo to the defensive line on their backside.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: And then, then you would see Haynes. He would, he
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: would try and rise vertically. And so then now you
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: turn the backside guy loose. I don't, I don't know.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: I don't like a free runner coming through and causing
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: a fumble. Now there's ball security. There's five points of pressure. And,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: you know, if you're coaching, you're, Youth football, eight-year-olds, five
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: points of pressure. That is your upper chest, your bicep,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: your forearm, then your thumb and your index finger on
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: one side of the ball, and then the three fingers
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: on the other. That's five points of pressure up high.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: And if you don't have five points of pressure, then
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: you're far more likely to fumble, and we've got a
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: fumble problem. Got two fumbles. Kenneth Walker didn't fumble in
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: four games. Or excuse me, four years. Four years. Lose
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: a fumble. And so now Price, who had the third
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: highest fumble rate of the draft class this last draft,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: he's now giving the ball away twice. It's a problem.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: And it would start with five points of pressure. Fixable? Yes.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: That's one reason why you see him on the bench. Yeah,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: there's been plenty of running backs who've had a fumble
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: problem and then kicked a fumble problem, right? And were
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: able to reduce... or eliminate a fumble problem. So, yes,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: but it takes some focus. And right now, here's the thing.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: It gets worse because what do you think the Chargers
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: defense is doing right now? When they're doing the scouting report, hey,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: everybody's going to be punching at the ball. And then
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: you get more people punching. Then you get more fumbles.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: When you get more fumbles, you get more people punching.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: He's got to tell the league right now that he
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: doesn't have a fumble problem anymore. The only way he
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: can tell it is to do it.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: With Bradford out, they did the rotation again. Haynes played 60%
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: of the snaps at right guard and Bo Stevens played 40%
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: at right guard. Ross Tucker is former offensive lineman. He's
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: on our show every Thursday, Hugh, and You know, I
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: kind of asked him about that this week and he
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: said he did it one year in the NFL. I
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: think he was in Buffalo. He said the one year
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: he did it, he rotated with a guy and he
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: said he hated it. And he said that, you know,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: the other people that hated it were the two guys
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: next to you. And, you know, we all, we've always
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: heard about offensive line and how, you know, they, they
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: work in tandem. It's a, it's a, it's, you know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: there's gotta be chemistry. It's, it's, you know, the old
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Lavelle Edwards. If you've got two quarterbacks, you've got none.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: If you've got two right guards, maybe you have none. I, I,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering about that. And listen, John Benton did a
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: hell of a job last year. But that decision to
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: rotate these guys, I don't know if that's helping them.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's hurting them. But it is
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: curious because when you talk to most offensive linemen, they
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: think it's not the ideal way to go.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Well, you have to have communication in passing situations with
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: respect to what you think are pressures on your side.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Is there pressure coming up the middle? Is it coming
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: from the edge? You have to have communication. When you
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: start running stunts and, you know, TE stunts, the tackle
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: loops to the outside and the end loops back inside.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: So there's got to be communication there. In the running game,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: if you're zone blocking together, there's a timing to that
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: where you say, okay, you know, if you and I are–
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: If you and I are going to, well, we don't
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: have four people in the room. When the guard and
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: the tackle come off together, they are blocking at the
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: defensive line level. And they've determined who they're going to
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: zone to. And really what zone is, when you start
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: watching offensive line coaches draw it up on a zone,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of misnomers about what it means, but,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: but one of the, you know, there's covered rules and
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: uncovered rules that it starts with that, right? If you're,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: if you're covered, block the man to the play side,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: if you're uncovered, help the man to the play side.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: And then now you two, you two are, are, are
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: going to zone out. you know, from the defensive lineman
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: to the linebacker. And it's really just a series of
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: double teams where you say you can draw with a
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: figure eight. You say, okay, you two have these two.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: You two have these two. You two have these two, right,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: if you have that many blockers. Does that make sense? Yeah.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Like the guard and the tackle, okay, you got the
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: three technique to the will. And so really what that
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: means is say, okay, we're going to get movement at
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: the defensive line level. And then, uh, together, we're going
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: to watch the flow of the linebacker. If he comes
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: to the inside, then the guard will take him. If
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: he flows to the outside, then the tackle take them.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: So you're, you're kind of trying to take a takeover
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: where one guy, um, is ultimately going to have to
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: block the defensive lineman alone. Does that make sense? And,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: and so for the guy that has to block the
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: defensive lineman alone, you want that timing. You don't want
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: to leave to the linebacker level too early because then
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: that's essentially man blocking and that's hard on the guy
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: at the defensive line level. But you don't want to
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: do it too late because then you'll never get to
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: the linebacker. So knowing when, if you're the tackle, if
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: you're Abe Lucas is going to climb, knowing when that
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: guard is comfortable, like, okay, I can leave him. I
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: can go to the linebacker level now. Because Anthony's fine.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: You know, that would be an instance among several where
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: having that cohesion and that experience with the guy next
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: to you pays dividends.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Humiliating hardcore football. I want to jump ahead fourth quarter
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: and get your thoughts on the play everyone was talking
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: about afterwards. Seahawks trailing by three, 27-24, second and 15
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: to the Washington 49-yard line.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: They're marching. They got a chance.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're 10... 10 yards away or so from
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: a field goal attempt to tie the game in the
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: fourth quarter. Sam Darnold throws it right to the middle
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: of the field and what effectively is a third-string linebacker. Madrono,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: whatever his name is, houses it for 50 yards. Everyone
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: watching it on TV, you saw Barner covered and two
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: other guys, like three Washington Commanders players there and A.J.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Barner and Darnold throwing the ball away. Now, listen, this
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: is the world we live in. This is why we
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: do this segment. Easy to say, boy, he should have
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: just thrown it away. What was he seeing? What was
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: he doing? Just a bad throw by Sam Darnold. But
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I can do hardcore football to find out exactly what
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the hell happened on the game-deciding play, Hugh. So what
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: happened there?
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if there's one thought that I've acquired
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: through the years, you know, I'm just, you're talking to
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: one man, so this is one man's opinion, that there's
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: precision in the details.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: And if you want to play high-level football, even at
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: the high school level, you have to pay attention to
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: the details. The details have to be done right. Now,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: I'm going to give you a spoiler alert. Sam Darnold,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: that's a double minus. He can't throw that ball, okay?
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: So I don't want what I'm about to say to
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: have preceded that because then you'd say, is he not
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: going to blame it on Sam Darnold? So no, I
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: just jumped ahead, all right? Okay. But now let's talk
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: about doing good football. And let's talk about what you're
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: trying to accomplish on that play. It's a naked bootleg
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: from a right-hand quarterback to a left. All right? So
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: you know there's going to be– it's going to– you
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: can't throw it as quick when you're going to your left.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Here's another part about it. It's in the category of
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: misdirection play. So you're trying to run to the right
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: side with zone blocking. Got me? Yep. And then have
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: the defense flow in that direction. In this case, the
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: ball's on the right hash. It's into the boundary as
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: opposed to the field. Boundary is the short side. So
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: the defense is flowing into the boundary following the misdirection
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: fake of the run. You could fake that off the
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: inside zone. You wouldn't get as much flow from the linebackers,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: but you would get far more attention from the defensive
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: end that you're booting out to, right? Because on the
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: defensive end away from the run, he's got to say,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: what if it cuts back to me? You could do
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: it off the mid zone where you're going off the
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: inside leg of the tackle. You could do it off
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: the wide zone. So there's a lot of different paths
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: you can fake that off. And when you construct a play,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: you've got to decide one or the other. You're not
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: just going to tell the running back, Hey, go to
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: the right. You're going to give him a naming point. Well,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: on this play, I'm just telling you what the tape shows. God,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to say, is this a Friday? Hey,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: it's a Friday already. All right. Ring a bell. I
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: just went co-sell. Emmanuel Wilson is going straight sideways. Yep.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: And that to me is a problem. I would coach that.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I would tell Emmanuel Wilson, as he's faking that wide zone, hey,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: you've got to act like you have the ball, but
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: you've got to sprint right to the outside hip of
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Abe Lucas. You've got to try and come downhill. And
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: with him going so flat, two defenders are influenced who
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: played the biggest part in the play. 56, the linebacker
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: to that side, He's going, wait a minute, that looks
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: squirrely to me. Nobody runs sideways and doesn't try and
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: advance the ball. So when you slice a time into
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: infinite fractions or infinite decimal points, you want to hold
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: literally that linebacker as long as you can. And you
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: let him off the hook about as fast as you
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: possibly could by– Did I say Ernest Jones earlier? Emmanuel Wilson.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Emmanuel Wilson going straight sideways.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: And then the backside end, who you're trying to influence down,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: the formation, the tight ends to his side, what is
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: he seeing? He's like, okay, I'm standing in the middle field. Oh,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: they're faking a wide run away from me. He's taking
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: an angle that could never bring the ball back to me.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: In fact, the only way the ball is coming back
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: to me is if there's a reverse. And the receiver,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: he was in what's called a nasty split tight to
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: the ball, and he's running. an intermediate cross. Now, I'm
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: not saying that he saw that, but he knew the
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: ball wasn't coming back to him, so he didn't bite
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: down to create the naked fake. So we got a
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: problem already about the angle that Emmanuel Wilson did in
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: the manner I just described. One final point. That AJ Barner,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: who I would say has very, very good instincts and just,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't think he's an elite. He's not
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: a Kellen Winslow sprint down the field type of tight end,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: but he's pretty, he's pretty damn solid. He's smart, certainly physical.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: He's got an oddly you, uh, effective way of running
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: with the ball. He's not very fast, but he, but
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: he's got good running instincts. Like AJ Barner is a
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: damn good football player. He was not a damn good
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: football player on that play. He is responsibility is a
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: down flat. That's, uh, most coaches will call that route
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: a down flat. So he's the tight end, uh, uh,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: away from the, the, the, uh, the run you're faking.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: He's blocking down, down, down towards the.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Watch it right now.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yep.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Now it, we, the commanders are in a cover too.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: There's always this, this point where I go, how much
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: detail are you going to give a melon that the
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: commanders are in a, a two deep shell and the,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: and the construct of the play, uh, which would beat
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: that cover too, is called smash. And the Seahawks are
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: running smash elsewhere. They got, they've got, uh, and a
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: smash is a corner out high. And then somebody in
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: the flat low and they've got Cooper cup on a
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: corner out and he's hitting that hole in the cover too.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: And they've got receipt.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: To heed, um, in the flat right there to occupy
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the corner.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: So you're, you, you have a chance if you, if
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Darnold could have thrown it out there to cup, uh,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: you know, just, just kind of hold it out there.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: He could have grenade thrown that right. You know, like
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: water balloon throwing it out there to cup, but there
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: was a guy in his face for the reasons I
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: already described. But here's the part from A.J. Barner. There's
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: a space, and you got Rashid Shaheed in the flat,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: and then what was the route that I described? Down flat.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: That just means you block down, and then we're having
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: a horizontal layering. We've got Rashid Shaheed in the flat,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: but then we have We have A.J. Barner trailing him.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Now it's like Goldilocks and the porridge. Can't be too hot,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: can't be too cold. You can't be too close to
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Shahid as you're following him because then the same defender
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: could damn near defend them both. But you don't want
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: to be too far from him. But the mistake, just
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: like you make the porridge too hot or too cold,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: in this case, A.J. Barner, he created way too much space.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: He stopped. The ball's on the right hash. He stopped
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: on the far hash. Yeah, he did. So you say, hey, dude,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: what's your route? I got a down flat on this play.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Let's watch the tape. What are you running? I would
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: call that a down stop. We never told you to
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: run a down stop. Run down to the opposite side
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: of the hash and stop. So what happens is that
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Darnold comes around as a right-handed quarterback to his left.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: It's always harder. always harder to dirt the ball are
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: always harder to get completions are always harder on everything. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: The end is up in his face because the end
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  Speaker 3: never saw any cutback coming back. And the formation had
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  Speaker 3: him wide to begin with. He's way out in a
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  Speaker 3: wide nine technique. So he's up to now. So Donald's
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  Speaker 3: got to do something. And he's looking, he's like, Barner, you're,
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  Speaker 3: you're my only chance to get rid of this ball.
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  Speaker 3: And he's assuming Barner is going to do the right thing. Like, dude,
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  Speaker 3: You know, keep moving. And so then what should have
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  Speaker 3: happened right in that moment for a quarterback is abort. Like,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I got to get out of this fighter plane because
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: it's going down. And, you know, pull the ripcord. Call
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  Speaker 3: it whatever you want. And the abort trigger never really
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  Speaker 3: got activated in his mind. And it had to happen
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  Speaker 3: in way less than a second. way less than a
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  Speaker 3: half a second. At some point you just say, this is,
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  Speaker 3: this is not going anywhere. And, and so he throws it. And,
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  Speaker 3: and then by this time, the guy that he never
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  Speaker 3: saw was 56. The guy who caught the football, he's
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: just running right underneath him and he runs right underneath it. Um,
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  Speaker 3: And what did we say about 56? Why wasn't he influenced?
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Because we have lousy technique with the halfback, Emmanuel Wilson.
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  Speaker 2: Let me stop you there. I've got to get a break,
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  Speaker 2: so I want to get one more segment in. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: and just to reiterate, minus minus on Darnold, but it
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  Speaker 2: was also a lot of things contributed. Emmanuel Wilson, people
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  Speaker 2: watch replays.
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  Speaker 3: It's a coordinator. Emmanuel Wilson gets a minus.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: A.J.
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  Speaker 3: Barner gets a minus. All right.
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  Speaker 2: We'll take a break, come back. We'll wrap things up
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  Speaker 2: with Hugh Millen next, 93.3 KGFM.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back.
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  Speaker 3: Hardcore football. Hugh Millen.
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  Speaker 2: Just a couple minutes here before the Jerry DiPoto news conference.
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  Speaker 2: Top of the hour. Hugh, Marcus Mariota sealed the deal
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  Speaker 2: with the run late in the game. If Seattle gets
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: a stop there, they got an opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: They don't.
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  Speaker 2: He runs for nine on the fourth or third and seven.
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  Speaker 2: I know there's another run, too. There are a couple
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  Speaker 2: runs by Mariota. Let's break those down.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. So the commanders, they come out with the
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: trips left. And I think possibly in part because of
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: the both safeties playing back that The Seahawks didn't disguise
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: it as well as they wanted. They showed a cover
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: zero with everybody up. And you had Rodney Thomas. There
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  Speaker 3: was some communication piece going on there. Mariota sniffed it out.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't a difficult read. A freshman in college could
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: have got it. But he audibles to the wide side run.
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  Speaker 3: And earlier in the show, we were talking about the
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: right guard and the right tackle communicating. The commanders, they–
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: they do a, some people call it a G block
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  Speaker 3: or it's essentially a cross block where the, uh, the
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  Speaker 3: guard is going to kick out and the tackle is
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: going to block down the tackle blocks down against Nuoso.
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  Speaker 3: And now the right guard, um, he is going to
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  Speaker 3: block outward from the ball and he, he has Drake
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  Speaker 3: Thomas and Drake Thomas has just got to stay outside.
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  Speaker 3: He's got to take on the block with his inside shoulder,
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  Speaker 3: keep his outside shoulder free, keeps his hips, uh, in
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  Speaker 3: a position where he can bounce, he's got to turn
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: the ball inside. But there wasn't anybody that's the second level,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: but at least he had some help in pursuit. It
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: was an excellent check and, you know, score that one
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  Speaker 3: for them. But Drake Thomas is the guy that needs
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: to be better right in that moment. Because that was
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  Speaker 3: with 155 to go, a ball on the 34th. four-yard line,
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  Speaker 3: Commander 34. You get the stop here. You get a
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  Speaker 3: minute 55 here. You're going to have a minute 44,
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  Speaker 3: and all the Seahawks have to do is go down
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  Speaker 3: and get a field goal?
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: To win the game, not tie? I mean, it was
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: just a brutal, brutal breakdown.
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  Speaker 2: Did DeMarcus Lawrence... was he guilty at all of anything
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  Speaker 2: on that play on the next one?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, DeMarcus Lawrence. Um, no, I mean, he had, he,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: you know, that that's, that's a hard, he's, he's inside,
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  Speaker 3: he's a three technique. So he's inside of the tackle.
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  Speaker 3: The tackle's gonna block down. I mean, if you're in
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  Speaker 3: an offensive line room, you'd say, Hey, we've got great
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  Speaker 3: leverage here. You don't have to, to, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: slip to anybody, any linebacker at all. Right. There's no
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: deuce that, um, And you just block him, block down.
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  Speaker 3: You got a favorable angle. So Demarcus Lawrence, he got
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  Speaker 3: blocked momentarily, but he pursued. And, you know, it was
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  Speaker 3: just a bad play by Drake Thomas, but it's a
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  Speaker 3: defense that put– now, I'll tell you what. If you
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: want me to give some credit, Mariota, because of the
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: way they blocked it, the turn– you've got– Ernest Jones
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  Speaker 3: on the backside who might have run it down. But
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Mariota blocks Ernest Jones. After he hands off, he steps
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: forward and he blocks the backside end. But no, I'd be... Now,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: you mentioned Demarcus Lawrence. Let's go into that third and seven.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do that real quick.
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  Speaker 3: The read keep. So on that play, I heard earlier
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: it mentioned RPO. Please note... No serious student of this
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: series that we have, please don't call that an RPO.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: An RPO is run-pass option where the wide receivers are
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: running around and the quarterback who does not need to
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: be athletic, he could stand there and just make a decision.
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  Speaker 3: Do I give the ball or do I throw it?
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  Speaker 3: So this is not an RPO. This is just a read-keep.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: And people say a read-zone keep. Yeah. this is, but
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: you can also run gap scheme. You could run power
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: and you could still have a keep. So if we're
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: doing terminology, yes, this is a, um, read zone. And it's,
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: so it's inside zone blocking to the left. And then
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: the guy that's on the edge is DeMarcus Lawrence. And
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  Speaker 3: that is Marcus Mariota's key. He's been reading this probably
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  Speaker 3: far before Oregon, but he has, he probably has a
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  Speaker 3: thousand keeps in his career, uh, at Oregon, just like this. And, um,
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  Speaker 3: Demarcus Lawrence, you've got to do what's called a surf technique.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: You've got to stand there like you're surfing with your
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: hips parallel to the line of scrimmage to dissuade the quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: from keeping. He just momentarily had the right technique, but
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: he didn't maintain it. And so Mariota, he rode the
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: fake deep into the belly of the running back and
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  Speaker 3: then pulled it just like he should because DeMarcus Lawrence collapsed.
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  Speaker 3: DeMarcus Lawrence played college football maybe before Well, that's not true.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: He's at Boise State. They had Reed's own back then.
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  Speaker 3: At any rate, you allowed the football to get to
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  Speaker 3: the edge. Here's the takeaway. I know you've got to go.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: You allowed the football to get to the edge on
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: a third and nine and then a third and seven,
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  Speaker 3: one in the person of a running back, one in
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: the person of a quarterback. And really, the guy at the–
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: I've just told you. It's Drake Thomas and then DeMarcus Lawrence. And, oh,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, Finley took a bad angle, slow angle–
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: A starting safety for the Seahawks would have prevented that conversion.
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  Speaker 3: There's no question in my mind. It's all over the tape.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: The plane, not one, but two of your deep backups,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: guys that were on the street a couple weeks ago.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, that would have been Kobe Bryant last year.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: That would have been Bud Clark.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: You know, that would have been Ty Okada. I mean,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: how far do we have to go down? That would
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: have been Julian Love. Our safety structure is just absolutely decimated.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: And that's his bigger reason why he lost the football game.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great point with Bud Clark, too. We forget
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: about that. Yeah, Rodney Thomas and A.J. Finley are both
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: guys on the practice squad. And that's where they would
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: be on the practice squad, except for basically you're now one, two,
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  Speaker 2: three gone. And there's number four. All right. We've got
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  Speaker 2: to go.
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  Speaker 3: You're the best.
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  Speaker 2: Next week we do an hour, and I can't wait.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk to you then.
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  Speaker 3: Good to be with you. That's Hugh Millen.
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  Speaker 2: We'll take a quick break. Very quick break.
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  Speaker 3: Come back.
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  Speaker 2: Expecting to hear from Jerry DiPoto next.