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Credlin | 4 November · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kreendland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 3: Here's what's coming up to Nyland kredline Susan Lee under pressure,
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Speaker 3: speculation swirling. She'll follow the NATS lead and dunk net zero.
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Speaker 3: Talk to though that she'll be lucky to survive until Christmas.
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Speaker 3: Last the latest newspoll showing voters turning hard against high immigration.
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Speaker 3: The hero Quantas pilot who saved hundreds of thousands, of
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Speaker 3: hundreds of lives averting a mid air tragedy now warns
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Speaker 3: the aviation industry faces disaster again. Why he says net
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Speaker 3: Zero's a dangerous fad will join me on the show.
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Speaker 3: An outrage from Queensland parents after kindergartenforms asked them to
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Speaker 3: nominate pronouns for their four year roles and one of
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Speaker 3: the mums, who is really fired up about this, joins
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Speaker 3: me on the program tonight.
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Speaker 2: This is unbelievable and.
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Speaker 3: While Australia's critical minerals deal with US gives us a
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Speaker 3: way to stay ahead of a warning today that it
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Speaker 3: could come with a huge cost, hurting our farmers and
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Speaker 3: local communities who are not being given a say.
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Speaker 4: A lot of the Australian propping belt would give a
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Speaker 4: lot for saws like this, and.
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Speaker 5: We're just going to dig them up and for two
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Speaker 5: point seventy five sent royalties. So we're selling your soul
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Speaker 5: for essentially what we believe is nothing.
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Speaker 3: We'll talk to that farmer in donald and Victoria a
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Speaker 3: bit later. Onder First, the Liberal parties net zero woes
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Speaker 3: continue today, as they will every day until a policy
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Speaker 3: position is finalized, and maybe even beyond that if the
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Speaker 3: position turns out to be a fudge or something too clever.
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Speaker 2: By half the National.
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Speaker 3: Party have said they're dropping net zero no whiff snow butts,
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Speaker 3: because why damage ourselves, they say, doing what no one
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Speaker 3: else is doing other than rhetoric.
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Speaker 6: We believe that there is a cheaper, better fare away
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Speaker 6: than Labour's nine trillion dollar net zero plan, and what
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Speaker 6: that means is we'll peg ourselves with the rest of
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Speaker 6: the world who are starting to pivot away from the
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Speaker 6: net zero commitments and their achievements. And so what we've
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Speaker 6: said is we're about one point one percent of total
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Speaker 6: global emissions and what we'll do is remain within that bandwidth.
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Speaker 3: As leader Susan Lee has indicated, the coalition has.
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Speaker 2: To hold together.
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Speaker 3: So the sooner the Libs adopt what is substantially the
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Speaker 3: same position as the National Party the zooner, the coalition
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Speaker 3: can start pointing out the damage being done by Labour's
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Speaker 3: obsessive pursuit of net zero at any cost on their
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Speaker 3: rigid timetable. This was something the new Liberal Member for
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Speaker 3: Cook did today against Labour's Darwin MP Luke Gosley, who
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Speaker 3: had nowhere to go when confronted with the facts.
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Speaker 7: That's the first time I've heard a Labor MP commit
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Speaker 7: to a twenty percent reduction in power prices, and look,
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Speaker 7: I'd love to hear how they plan on doing that.
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Speaker 2: Renewables are cheaper.
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Speaker 8: As there's more renewables in the system, power prices will
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Speaker 8: come down.
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Speaker 7: But with respect, your job is to reduce power prices
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Speaker 7: and you haven't done it. So if that's true, why
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Speaker 7: did you and your mob promise two hundred and seventy
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Speaker 7: five dollars off power bills but you have not been
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Speaker 7: able to deliver it? Why did you do that?
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Speaker 9: How long are you guys going to hang on to
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Speaker 9: that two hundred and seventy five dollar piece?
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Speaker 3: I mean, can you believe that line from the Labor
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Speaker 3: goose there. When are you guys going to give up
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Speaker 3: on that?
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Speaker 2: Well? I hope the Liberals never do.
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Speaker 3: After all, this was an election promise from labor that
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Speaker 3: they repeat it almost one hundred times.
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Speaker 9: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars,
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Speaker 9: reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 3: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 3: a year, one.
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Speaker 10: Hundred and seventy five dollars a year.
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Speaker 3: Mclearly labor can't bear to be reminded of that broken promise,
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Speaker 3: given power prices have not dropped at all. Instead, they've
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Speaker 3: increased twenty four percent in the last financial year alone.
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Speaker 3: The hit to power prices, the hit to the budget,
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Speaker 3: the expert export of jobs and heavy industry, and the
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Speaker 3: vast damage we're do into our countryside.
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Speaker 2: This is crazy.
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Speaker 3: This is the desecration of wind turbines and solar panels.
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Speaker 3: Imagine the fight the Liberals could actually have if they
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Speaker 3: threw off the straight jacket of net zero, If they
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Speaker 3: took the fight up to labor, well, who knows, they
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Speaker 3: might actually turn around their record low voter support.
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Speaker 2: But not if they take their strategic.
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Speaker 3: Advice from this bloke, til Liberal Senator Andrew Bragg from
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Speaker 3: the well healed suburbs of Sydney, with no skin in
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Speaker 3: the game because the only people he mixes with are
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Speaker 3: those that are financially insulated from the realities of net
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Speaker 3: zero and with no fear of a wind turbine next
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Speaker 3: to their harveside mansions.
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Speaker 8: We have to be in Paris and we can't be
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Speaker 8: a prior state. I mean, we're better than Iran and Syria,
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Speaker 8: and we're a serious country and the Australian people expect
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Speaker 8: us to take emissions reduction.
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Speaker 2: Seriously, You're right in Syria. I mean, keep me a break.
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Speaker 3: Bragg's position is that the Liberals should do Labour's job,
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Speaker 3: only do it a little better. His view that Australia
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Speaker 3: would be a prior state if it abandoned net zero
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Speaker 3: is based on his assertion there that virtually every country
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Speaker 3: has committed he says to net zero emissions.
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Speaker 2: Well, absolutely wrong.
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Speaker 3: China has it never committed to net zero by twenty fifty,
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Speaker 3: India not committed in the US and a Donald Trube
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Speaker 3: will certainly not committed. Russia not committed. With four of
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Speaker 3: the biggest national omitters not committed to net zero by
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Speaker 3: twenty fifty. None of them are priors. On that account,
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Speaker 3: I should add, well, what's Bragg trying to do to
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Speaker 3: bluff his fellow Liberals into sticking with the position that's
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Speaker 3: helped them lose two of the last elections. All Paris
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Speaker 3: can amidst countries to do is achieve net zero sometime
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Speaker 3: in the second half of the century, which is very,
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Speaker 3: very different than the snowjob there from Brag that he's
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Speaker 3: trying to pull on Liberals who haven't done their own homework,
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Speaker 3: or someone who has is his fellow front bench colleague
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Speaker 3: Melissa Macintosh. She's not in the Senate like Brag. She's
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Speaker 3: out in the real world. She lives in Western City,
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Speaker 3: represents people out there.
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Speaker 2: It's a fair bit. She talks to them too, because
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Speaker 2: the other day she went out and did more than
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Speaker 2: just talk to them.
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Speaker 3: She got their views on net zero by sending out
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Speaker 3: an electric wide survey and what came back is a
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Speaker 3: lesson for every Liberal who thinks that net zero is
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Speaker 3: a vote winner.
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Speaker 11: This isn't politics, it's real life struggles of everyday Australians
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Speaker 11: who don't want to target that is destroying them and
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Speaker 11: their families financially and our country economically. The people of
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Speaker 11: Lindsay are not an anti environment. They are pro reality,
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Speaker 11: and they are a community that thinks for itself on
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Speaker 11: issues that matter.
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Speaker 2: It's not as if any of this is you.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the Liberals have oscillated between trending climate as
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Speaker 3: a moral issue and treating it as an economic issue
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Speaker 3: for almost two decades now, and every time they focused
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Speaker 3: on the astronomical cost of cutting emissions and clearly differentiated
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Speaker 3: themselves from labor and looked at what is really happening
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Speaker 3: around the world, they've done well.
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Speaker 2: Every time.
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Speaker 3: They're just meet too labor on climate and run the
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Speaker 3: lines of brags running, or they've done badly. So get
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Speaker 3: it right, and get it right quickly. Because the longer
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Speaker 3: the coalition has to pin on labor the consequences of
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Speaker 3: its net zero emission, the better they'll do at the
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Speaker 3: next election. As I said yesterday, that exchange, as I
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Speaker 3: just said today, that exchange between Simon Kennedy and theke
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Speaker 3: Gosley was just embarrassing for labor. So imagine how competitive
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Speaker 3: the Libs might be if the net zero monkey was
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Speaker 3: actually off the Coalition's back because don't forget. Net zero
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Speaker 3: isn't just about banning fossil fuels from electricity generation. It's
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Speaker 3: just a low hanging fruit. It's about culing our national
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Speaker 3: herd and changing the meat that you eat. It's about
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Speaker 3: making you change your car, it's about limiting your air travel.
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Speaker 3: It's about destroying our countryside. Net zero is less a
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Speaker 3: problem for the Libs than an opportunity, only if they're
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Speaker 3: prepared to grab it. Another issue where the Liberal Party
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Speaker 3: needs to take stronger positions on immigration. Now, of course
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Speaker 3: we are an immigrant society, but that does not mean
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Speaker 3: that immigration numbers should always ratchet up, that we have
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Speaker 3: to accept anyone from anywhere all of the time. In
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Speaker 3: the three years since Slaver was elected, net overseas migrations
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Speaker 3: exceeded one point two million people, and that's an all
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Speaker 3: time record.
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Speaker 2: In the last.
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Speaker 3: Available quarter, migration was one hundred and ten thousand, or
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Speaker 3: an annualized rate of four hundred and forty thousand, despite
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Speaker 3: Labour's promises to bring migration down this year's election. After
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Speaker 3: promising to cut immigration, the Coalition failed to release a
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Speaker 3: comprehensive policy other than a mere pledged to cut permanent
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Speaker 3: migration by forty five thousand for just two years, well,
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Speaker 3: not good enough, and failing to take labor on is
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Speaker 3: a good reason why the Liberals have struggled here and
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Speaker 3: they're struggling ever since the election because they are not
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Speaker 3: listening to Australians.
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Speaker 2: They are scared of their own shadow.
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Speaker 3: They are thinking that arguing to cut migration will put
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Speaker 3: them offside with Australian migrants. But that's simplistic because like
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Speaker 3: most of US, migrants understand that Labour's migration well it's
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Speaker 3: just a Ponzi scheme and it's driving down wages, driving
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Speaker 3: up housing costs and putting massive strain on infrastructure.
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Speaker 2: In fact, there's every reason.
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Speaker 3: To think that a much much lower intake, think something
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Speaker 3: around one hundred and ten thousand a year, which was
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Speaker 3: the average over the eleven years of the Howard government,
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Speaker 3: will not only be good policy, pretty popular too. A
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Speaker 3: News poll out today show that sixty four percent of
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Speaker 3: Australians want lower migration, so thirty nine percent so they
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Speaker 3: wanted a lot lower. Only ten percent of those surveyed
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Speaker 3: wanted more migrants, and only twenty six percent supported current
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Speaker 3: migration levels. Indeed, Newspoll found that almost fifty percent of
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Speaker 3: labor voters or they want fewer migrants too, while just
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Speaker 3: ten percent of labor voters wanted migration increased. See what
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Speaker 3: I mean about taking up the fight to labor giving
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Speaker 3: the liberals new and fresh opportunities. Indeed, listen to this
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Speaker 3: stat from use Polt. Half of all young people's survey
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Speaker 3: they want less migration young people. Goodness me, it leaves
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Speaker 3: you'd fall over yourself if you could talk to young people.
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Speaker 3: I mean, here's a topic where the leaders can be
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Speaker 3: both strong and popular. They've got to do the policy homework.
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Speaker 3: That actually got to have a comprehensive policy, and they
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Speaker 3: must be prepared to stand up to the vested interests
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Speaker 3: of the education industry that uses foreign students as cash cows.
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Speaker 2: This is yet.
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Speaker 3: Another area where if the Liberals shows to fight, voters
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Speaker 3: might actually back them in. As I say, you hear
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Speaker 3: me often you lose one hundred percent of the fights
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Speaker 3: you're not in. So this is where the Liberals need
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Speaker 3: to put on the gloves and get into the ring. Right.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now from Canberra a senior political reporter Trudy Macintosh. Well,
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Speaker 3: we of course had the famous Melbourne Cup day RBA meeting.
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Speaker 3: The Governor spoke to the public after the meeting, and
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Speaker 3: of course she very clear, because rates were kept on
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Speaker 3: Hohold Truty, that they're not going anywhere.
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Speaker 2: In fact, she's saying that.
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Speaker 3: Any talk of a rate cut, and that's now eighteen
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Speaker 3: months away.
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Speaker 12: We've already had three inter straight cuts. I know that
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Speaker 12: mortgage holders always want more, but it's also important that
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Speaker 12: we make sure that we keep inflation under control because
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Speaker 12: ultimately that's also what impacts people's within standards. If you
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Speaker 12: take the forecasts at face value, that would suggest that
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Speaker 12: in twenty twenty seven we get back to two point six,
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Speaker 12: which is closest to two point five. So on the
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Speaker 12: one hand, you could argue that that's about where we
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Speaker 12: want to be.
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Speaker 2: Truty, Yeah, Peter.
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Speaker 13: I think the alarming thing out of this is what
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Speaker 13: the Monetary Policy statement said about inflation, and that is
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Speaker 13: that over the next twelve months, those two indicators we
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Speaker 13: look at so closely, the underlying inflation rate and the
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Speaker 13: headline figure, are not going to be within the Reserve
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Speaker 13: Banks target range. That we're only going to see that
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Speaker 13: for underlying inflation at the end of December next year,
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Speaker 13: and not for the headline rate until twenty twenty seven.
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Speaker 13: So the thought that we're going to get more interest
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Speaker 13: rate cuts seems like it's potentially been pushed away. There
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Speaker 13: is a technical assumption that the Reserve Bank pointed to
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Speaker 13: today that there'll be one more rate cut next year.
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Speaker 13: But the Reserve Bank governor and that today Peter was
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Speaker 13: saying basically, don't bank on it, that it may not happen.
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Speaker 3: Well, labor love a pea and thimble trick. You know,
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Speaker 3: while we're all talking about inflation and this spike we
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Speaker 3: saw last week and lack of a rate cut today
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Speaker 3: and now eighteen months away before we get some relief
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Speaker 3: over here, they're talking about free power for households. But
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Speaker 3: as always as labor, there's a catch treaty.
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Speaker 2: This caught my eye.
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Speaker 13: I went and asked a question of Cris Bow and
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Speaker 13: the Energy Minister today just before question time and nicely
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Speaker 13: timed press conference.
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Speaker 2: What is the catch?
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Speaker 13: That was the question I put to him, and he
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Speaker 13: says that there is none. Peter that for three hours
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Speaker 13: a day, if you're part of the default market offer
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Speaker 13: on the East coast from July one next year, they'll
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Speaker 13: see this period where power is free. Now some of
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Speaker 13: the major retailers in energy are already doing this. They
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Speaker 13: believe there's more energy being generated at that time and
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Speaker 13: they want to bring forward some of that peak demand
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Speaker 13: into that period. Now, this is good if you've got
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Speaker 13: a smart meter, if you can actually do that, if
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Speaker 13: you're working from home, Cris bow And said, it's perfect
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Speaker 13: because you can put the washing machine on whilst you're there.
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Speaker 13: For others who don't work from home, it's not always
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Speaker 13: for them. I put this to Chris bow and he
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Speaker 13: he's saying, roll the tape. There's no catch.
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Speaker 2: Let's look, there is no catch.
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Speaker 9: But it's up to people whether they take this oper up.
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Speaker 9: They could look at this. We are requiring energy companies
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Speaker 9: to make this an option. I think that's a good thing. Now,
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Speaker 9: it's not for everyone. If you can't move your energy
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Speaker 9: used to the middle of the day, If you feel
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Speaker 9: you can't do that, it's probably not for you. I
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Speaker 9: understand and respect that this was never never claimed to
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Speaker 9: be a one size so it's all answer of ours.
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Speaker 6: Probably.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: This tells me a truty in piling terms, and this
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Speaker 3: is they're internal piling here. I'm not talking about published poles.
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Speaker 3: This tells me that they're hurting on the cost of power.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, me too. This was a really eye catching thing
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Speaker 13: for me this morning. It's something you would have thought
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Speaker 13: that they would be trumpeting today. They know that this
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Speaker 13: power bill issue is something that potentially could come back
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Speaker 13: to haunt them at the next election. They need to
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Speaker 13: be seeing to be bringing down people's power bills. But
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Speaker 13: it wasn't really put up in lights today, just a
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Speaker 13: press conference just before question time. It just seemed rather
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Speaker 13: odd to be something you would have thought the government
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Speaker 13: would want to be spreaking all day and all night.
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Speaker 3: Well, you demolished it in a couple of minutes at
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Speaker 3: that press conference. Perhaps that's why he didn't lead with
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Speaker 3: his chin as he often does. We'll leave it there, thanks, Trudy.
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Speaker 3: Let's go now to Sky News political letter to Andrew Clannell.
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Speaker 3: We'll go back to net zero here obviously, Andrew, because
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Speaker 3: all eyes are on not just the Coalition, but I
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Speaker 3: think particularly obviously the Liberal Party, and that's.
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Speaker 2: Are out no if no. But she's sort of.
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Speaker 3: Saying, you know, we're going to make a decision sooner
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Speaker 3: rather later. There's a lot of calls that they've got
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Speaker 3: to lance the boil on this and there are critics
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Speaker 3: out there today, James Campbell in the News called Paper
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Speaker 3: saying she'd be lucky to last until Christmas. I don't
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Speaker 3: know who'd want the job right now, Andrew, what do
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Speaker 3: you think?
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Speaker 1: No, I don't think she'll be rolled by Christmas. One
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Speaker 1: of the reasons is because she will dump net zero
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Speaker 1: by twenty fifty, which twenty of the people who voted
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Speaker 1: for her, most of her supporters are posed by the
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Speaker 1: way dumping that. But she's got no choice otherwise the
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Speaker 1: coalition splits and then she will lose the leadership. Angus
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Speaker 1: Taylor will come in and say, look, I can repair
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Speaker 1: the coalition. So I don't think she'll be rolled by Christmas,
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Speaker 1: but you know by midnext year you almost put money
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Speaker 1: on it. Unfortunately for her, Susan Lee, I mean she
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Speaker 1: hasn't performed that well. I think delaying a decision on
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Speaker 1: this net zero thing has really worked against it, and
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Speaker 1: she should have laned from Peter Dutton on the voice.
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Speaker 1: He delayed a decision on that and that allowed the
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Speaker 1: Nationals to front run and that makes you look weak,
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Speaker 1: doesn't it, because it makes it look like the smaller
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Speaker 1: party is running the show now. She said oh no,
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Speaker 1: we want to take our time, we want to process
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Speaker 1: David Little Proud seeking about himself. Then that's the thing
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Speaker 1: about themselves. So they just said, oh well, bugger it,
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Speaker 1: we'll come out and this is our position, and then
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Speaker 1: she looks weak. So that was a really critical error,
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Speaker 1: and going forward, the Liberal Party needs to start thinking
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Speaker 1: we need to be ahead of this. We need to
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Speaker 1: stop David Little Proud doing this to us, because it's
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Speaker 1: happened twice.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that.
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Speaker 3: You know, he is playing a hard strategic game here.
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Speaker 3: I mean they've had eight months to turn this around
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Speaker 3: and put a decision out there. We have been talking
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Speaker 3: about climate for twenty years.
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Speaker 2: This net zero policy has been.
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Speaker 3: With a Liberal party now since twenty twenty two, sorry
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, four years for them to have internal research,
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Speaker 3: for them to have a you, it was huge issue.
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Speaker 3: We knew coming out of the initial break in the
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Speaker 3: coalition because nuclear was in and then nuclear was out.
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Speaker 3: So you know, I say this again, I beat inn opposition.
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Speaker 3: You've only got one job with that's to get out
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Speaker 3: of opposition. She's not running a portfolio, she's not doing
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Speaker 3: all the other things that governments normally do this idea
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Speaker 3: that you've got the luxury of years to review all
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Speaker 3: your policies where you don't and this one should have
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Speaker 3: been absolutely at the front of the queue.
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Speaker 2: Completely agree with.
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Speaker 1: You, Andrew, Well, you don't because of the Nationals. So
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Speaker 1: if you were, say a labor opposition, then you get
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Speaker 1: a time of your choosing. But the Nationals changes the
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Speaker 1: game here because they're not playing team in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: they're playing for themselves and they say, well, we didn't
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Speaker 1: lose any seats. You lost all the seats. But you know,
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Speaker 1: little crowd's got to worry about it, his own splits Barnaby,
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Speaker 1: Joyce leaving and all this sort of thing. But the
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Speaker 1: fact they're not playing as a team national leader's passed.
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Speaker 1: Who would would have said to Susan Lee, right, let's
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Speaker 1: get together, let's work this out, let's put it through
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Speaker 1: shadow cabinet. It's kind of what happened with Morrison and
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Speaker 1: the net zero policy in Barnaby to some extent, even
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Speaker 1: though the Nats have to have a part of it
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Speaker 1: after that. But you've got to be the leader of
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Speaker 1: the coalitions.
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Speaker 3: Yes, But I think the Nats have also got an
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Speaker 3: eye to the bleed of the votes across to one nation,
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Speaker 3: because they aren't just liberal Conservatives leading. These are National
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Speaker 3: Party people and we know exactly the pockets they are,
19:09
Speaker 3: particularly out of Queensland, Northern News South Wales. So he
19:12
Speaker 3: is doing the right thing, I think by his party.
19:14
Speaker 3: I mean we often talk about the coalition, but they
19:18
Speaker 3: are two separate parties and on issues like the single
19:22
Speaker 3: desk and I was there at the time they split
19:24
Speaker 3: on that issue, but they held the coalition together. I
19:28
Speaker 3: just don't think on energy being as absolutely ubiquitous as
19:31
Speaker 3: it is to the economy, I just don't think that's
19:34
Speaker 3: applausible option. But she had plenty of warning, mate, she
19:37
Speaker 3: was the deputy leader. She's not come in from nowhere
19:41
Speaker 3: to the leadership. She was there by Peter Dutton's side
19:44
Speaker 3: for the whole three years of the last term. If
19:46
Speaker 3: she did not know this was a burning issue, then
19:48
Speaker 3: she's just not up to the job.
19:51
Speaker 1: Well, you can't sustain the newsphont numbers she's got either. Now,
19:54
Speaker 1: those supporters of her would say, well, people are always
19:56
Speaker 1: quitting the front bench or having a crack at her,
19:58
Speaker 1: and that's true. But the the day she's made a
20:01
Speaker 1: number of missteps. I believe and it just isn't looking
20:04
Speaker 1: decisive enough and she's not on the front foot enough.
20:07
Speaker 1: I mean, I look forward to interviewing her soon because
20:09
Speaker 1: I think those sorts of things you need to do
20:11
Speaker 1: as opposition leader. You need to be on the front foot.
20:14
Speaker 1: You need to want the interview to come to you. You
20:16
Speaker 1: need to you know, it's like I hate to use
20:18
Speaker 1: a cricket analogy, but I will. You're in slips. You
20:20
Speaker 1: want the border company, you want the catch, and you
20:23
Speaker 1: know you don't want a situation where you know, we'll
20:26
Speaker 1: do that next week, we'll do it the week after,
20:27
Speaker 1: we'll do it the month after, or you know, I'll
20:30
Speaker 1: get around to those interviews, but not now. I'll get
20:32
Speaker 1: round to that press conference, but not now. The hungriest
20:35
Speaker 1: politicians and doesn't have this problem too, by the way,
20:39
Speaker 1: he wasn't that keen on. You know, he wouldn't speak
20:41
Speaker 1: to the press club. Okay, you hate the press gallery.
20:43
Speaker 2: Who cares?
20:43
Speaker 1: It's the job and that is what these characters need
20:47
Speaker 1: to realize, Peter. If they want to succeed and they
20:49
Speaker 1: want to be Prime Minister, it has to occupy every
20:52
Speaker 1: minute of your day. I mean, look at Tony Abbott.
20:54
Speaker 1: You know, look at John Howard, look it after the
20:56
Speaker 1: Albanezy Frankly, you know they're all workerholics and they all
21:00
Speaker 1: will basically know that the job of opposition is media
21:04
Speaker 1: and you've got to be doing that and doing it hard,
21:07
Speaker 1: and then you've got to come up with solid positions,
21:10
Speaker 1: not sort of wishy washy. Which way are we going
21:12
Speaker 1: on this? Who am I going to offend out?
21:13
Speaker 2: Or you come to the position?
21:17
Speaker 1: You come to the position, yep, sorry, but you come
21:20
Speaker 1: to the position, and then you convinced, little proud this
21:23
Speaker 1: is our position. You know, the art of persuasion is
21:25
Speaker 1: part of a two. But you don't come to a position.
21:28
Speaker 1: You're on a leadership phone call on Sunday, like Susan
21:30
Speaker 1: Lee was waiting to hear what everyone else said before
21:33
Speaker 1: making up your mind. Not giving a view on that
21:35
Speaker 1: phone call, mind you, while she had Anne Rusten, who's
21:37
Speaker 1: got twenty mbs behind her, saying dropping that zero is crazy,
21:41
Speaker 1: and you know, three right wingers saying well we need
21:43
Speaker 1: to drop it or as stuffed. But you don't prefer
21:46
Speaker 1: an opinion in that phone call two hours You just
21:49
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, weigh things up. You know, I'm
21:51
Speaker 1: not sure you know, it's a recipe for disaster. You've
21:55
Speaker 1: got to have firm views and you've got to have
21:57
Speaker 1: conviction and you've got your backside.
22:02
Speaker 3: I'll just say this to my views, Jesus, delay is
22:04
Speaker 3: annoying between us.
22:05
Speaker 2: I love it. We're in the same studio.
22:07
Speaker 3: Part of the problem for her and the lack of
22:09
Speaker 3: media is that she hasn't got a message to sell.
22:11
Speaker 3: She's still waiting for that to land down on a
22:13
Speaker 3: tablet from heaven. You know, she wants someone to tell
22:16
Speaker 3: her and your point there about that call with her leadership.
22:19
Speaker 3: She's waiting for someone to tell her what the answer is. Well,
22:21
Speaker 3: the problem when you're the opposition leader, just like when
22:24
Speaker 3: you you know, I administer with a tough issue on
22:27
Speaker 3: your desk, sometimes it's actually not a right answer. Sometimes
22:31
Speaker 3: there's multiple right answers, and you've got to take a
22:34
Speaker 3: political judgment and pick a path and stick to it
22:39
Speaker 3: with conviction and argue it.
22:41
Speaker 2: I think that's part.
22:41
Speaker 3: Of the deficiency she has in her political character. Let's
22:48
Speaker 3: go to that interview you had with someone who has
22:50
Speaker 3: plenty of character deficiency. Is Matt Keane, former New South
22:53
Speaker 3: Wales Liberal, now the chief spooker in chief of Labour's
22:58
Speaker 3: renewable role at you made him on the program, you
23:02
Speaker 3: pushed in twice on the whole issue of how much
23:06
Speaker 3: taxpayer support renewables get.
23:09
Speaker 2: How a listen?
23:11
Speaker 1: Senator Roskedell was on this program yesterday Matt Keene and
23:13
Speaker 1: he said, there isn't a renewables project in Australia which
23:17
Speaker 1: doesn't have some level of taxpayer subsidy.
23:20
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
23:21
Speaker 14: Well, what is correct is that Ross Kadel and the
23:24
Speaker 14: National Party were advocating for multiple billion dollar taxpayer subsidies
23:30
Speaker 14: for nuclear energy. So it's just hypocritical that he cherry
23:34
Speaker 14: picks something like that.
23:35
Speaker 1: What percentage of these renewable energy projects a taxpayer funded then?
23:39
Speaker 1: Is it ten twenty percent?
23:41
Speaker 2: Do you know?
23:42
Speaker 4: Andrew?
23:43
Speaker 14: What we do know is that we need to get
23:45
Speaker 14: on with delivering these firmed renewable projects.
23:51
Speaker 2: What a fager Andrew clenel.
23:53
Speaker 3: There is not a project in Australia that does not
23:56
Speaker 3: get some form of taxpayer support. That's the answer. Why
24:02
Speaker 3: can't it be straight and in up to it? And
24:04
Speaker 3: then Selly's hair brain scheme?
24:09
Speaker 1: Why did they privatize power generation? Because after they did
24:12
Speaker 1: there was no investment in coal fired power stations and
24:15
Speaker 1: I'll take Queensland out of that, maybe wa because it's
24:17
Speaker 1: still a public system. And you see the Queensland government
24:20
Speaker 1: moving to keep coal open for longer. But everywhere else
24:23
Speaker 1: it seems to me there is the taxpayer subsidy. Now
24:26
Speaker 1: it's not the entire amount, and it's great to have
24:28
Speaker 1: some private sector money in there, but it just increases
24:31
Speaker 1: in amount. And you know the news of US government's
24:34
Speaker 1: propping up Erring as well. It just hasn't worked, has it.
24:38
Speaker 1: This whole energy this whole energy thing isn't working. Hasn't worked.
24:42
Speaker 1: The difficulty for the opposition though, and I know opposing
24:46
Speaker 1: can get you an electoral win and all that is,
24:48
Speaker 1: at some point or other they have to say what
24:50
Speaker 1: their answer is and okay, nuclear, where's the investment going
24:53
Speaker 1: to come from? Is it too expensive? They have to
24:56
Speaker 1: be able to convince the Australian public they actually have
24:59
Speaker 1: an answer, because it seems from the election result the
25:02
Speaker 1: Australian public at the moment he's prepared to put up
25:06
Speaker 1: with power bills for a little while. They ain't forever.
25:10
Speaker 2: Well.
25:10
Speaker 3: They had no option though, Andrew, there was no option
25:12
Speaker 3: at the last election that had a course other than
25:15
Speaker 3: zero in it from the two major parties. That's the issue,
25:19
Speaker 3: and I want to back the coalition if they went
25:22
Speaker 3: their own way, at least there's a contest. At least
25:25
Speaker 3: there's an opportunity for the punter who is drowning in
25:28
Speaker 3: these bills. The businesses that are going to the wall
25:30
Speaker 3: have an option that is not net zero, and I
25:33
Speaker 3: think that's the fight we've got to see play out
25:36
Speaker 3: in the next few weeks. Thank you, Andrew, thanks for
25:38
Speaker 3: your time. Let's gone out of the big news out
25:40
Speaker 3: of Darwin today that six months after promising to reclaim
25:43
Speaker 3: the Port of Darwin, the Olbinezi governments failed to take
25:46
Speaker 3: any meaningful action or even set a timeline, and that's
25:50
Speaker 3: caused a lot of frustration with an NT Chief Minister.
25:55
Speaker 15: At the end of the day, this is about making
25:57
Speaker 15: sure that promise is delivered on We want action, certainty
25:59
Speaker 15: and security for territorians and we can't do that well.
26:02
Speaker 15: This huge question hangs in the balance and so you know,
26:06
Speaker 15: we're working productively with the federal government, but they need
26:09
Speaker 15: to get their skates on. I think there are plenty
26:11
Speaker 15: of options out there and they just need to get
26:12
Speaker 15: moving and make a decision.
26:16
Speaker 3: Here to discuss at Sky News Northern Australia correspondent MC Cunningham.
26:20
Speaker 2: Well, Matt, you've been.
26:20
Speaker 3: To a right across his issue from day one. It
26:23
Speaker 3: was a huge issue in the election. Labor forced out
26:26
Speaker 3: because they'd got win that the coalition was going to
26:28
Speaker 3: move on the Port of Darwin.
26:30
Speaker 2: So why is Labour now dragging its feet?
26:35
Speaker 16: Well, it's a good question given the rush that they
26:37
Speaker 16: are in to announce this policy during the election campaign, Peter,
26:40
Speaker 16: if you remember, you know the word had got out
26:42
Speaker 16: that Peter Dutton was going to make an announcement here
26:44
Speaker 16: on a Saturday during the election campaign, and then the
26:47
Speaker 16: Prime Minister took the unusual step of calling in to
26:51
Speaker 16: ABC Radio at four o'clock on a Friday afternoon. Now
26:53
Speaker 16: I'm not sure what their ratings are like, but I
26:55
Speaker 16: suspect that four o'clock on a Friday afternoon is when
26:58
Speaker 16: very few people in the Northern ter given its knockoff
27:01
Speaker 16: time or listening to ab C radio.
27:03
Speaker 2: But that's the time that he picked.
27:04
Speaker 16: He said that they were going the Labor government, if
27:07
Speaker 16: re elected, was going to bring the port of dao
27:09
Speaker 16: And back under Australian control. Well six months down the track,
27:12
Speaker 16: we're still waiting. There's been some reports of some interest,
27:16
Speaker 16: one from a US firm, Service Capital Management. There's been
27:19
Speaker 16: a report just a couple of weeks ago that maybe
27:21
Speaker 16: Indigenous Business Australia might be interested in taking back the port.
27:25
Speaker 16: But there has been no real firm bidder that we've seen,
27:29
Speaker 16: and six months down the track, it doesn't appear that
27:32
Speaker 16: we're any closer really to Landbridge giving up control of
27:36
Speaker 16: the Port of dal And in fact, privately I've heard
27:38
Speaker 16: some people who are connected to the port say that
27:41
Speaker 16: they're starting to wonder whether it's going to happen at all.
27:46
Speaker 3: Well, you wonder how much Beijing and the conversations of
27:49
Speaker 3: Prime Ministers had when he was over there with Shijimping,
27:52
Speaker 3: are playing into this. But I've got to ask you,
27:55
Speaker 3: you know, more broadly. Lea Finikiaro is an nt Chief
27:59
Speaker 3: Minister and they rarely make the national news. But she's
28:03
Speaker 3: been out there driving debate, she's been out there on crime,
28:05
Speaker 3: she's got her pepper spray trial. She was very outspoken
28:09
Speaker 3: on the fact that she said old quota, no blokes
28:11
Speaker 3: will be in any of our women's prisons up here.
28:14
Speaker 3: And now she's not taking a backwards step on this issue,
28:17
Speaker 3: and I think she's pretty impressive for someone that usually
28:22
Speaker 3: from your jurisdiction, isn't driving the debate.
28:25
Speaker 2: Like she is.
28:29
Speaker 16: She's probably the best thing the coalition's got going for
28:31
Speaker 16: them at the moment, if you consider the fact that
28:33
Speaker 16: they're barely holding onto power and Tasmania. I guess Dated
28:36
Speaker 16: christ fully is doing a pretty good job in Queensland
28:39
Speaker 16: and other than that they're in opposition. Listening to your
28:42
Speaker 16: conversation there with Andrew Clenell and you discussion about Susan
28:45
Speaker 16: Lee and about the fact that she doesn't seem to
28:48
Speaker 16: know which way to jump and she's not really coming
28:50
Speaker 16: forward and really sort of running with any sort of agenda.
28:54
Speaker 16: I think one almost criticism I hear from some of
28:56
Speaker 16: lef Nokiiro's colleagues is the opposite. She's certainly out there
28:59
Speaker 16: all the time, and some people even feel that she
29:02
Speaker 16: takes too much control and she's almost sort of a
29:05
Speaker 16: one woman show. But you can't argue that she's not
29:07
Speaker 16: doing a good job. And I think it's a deliberate
29:09
Speaker 16: strategy now to start weighing in to some of these
29:12
Speaker 16: national issues. She spent the past twelve months really dealing
29:15
Speaker 16: with one issue and one issue alone, and that's been
29:17
Speaker 16: the issue of crime. They've had some really encouraging crime
29:20
Speaker 16: stats out in the last month showing that the work
29:23
Speaker 16: that they've undertaken is really starting to have an impact
29:25
Speaker 16: and we're seeing those crime numbers drop. The next thing,
29:28
Speaker 16: and she's been really clear about this is really driving
29:32
Speaker 16: economic improvement here in the Northern territory. You're starting to
29:34
Speaker 16: see some signs of that already. But I think she's
29:36
Speaker 16: keen to hit the national stage and hit home the
29:39
Speaker 16: need for assistance from the federal government to get things
29:42
Speaker 16: like the Beterloo basin happening, get that gas out of
29:45
Speaker 16: the ground, and over to the East coast, to get
29:47
Speaker 16: this debacle with the Porta Dauin sorded so that we
29:50
Speaker 16: can get those materials shipped out of here without having
29:53
Speaker 16: this constant conversation about what's going on there. So there's
29:56
Speaker 16: no doubt she's on the front foot on that issue
29:58
Speaker 16: at the moment, and I think most people here and
30:00
Speaker 16: probably in the rest of the country who've seen her
30:02
Speaker 16: over the past couple of months, I think she's doing
30:05
Speaker 16: a pretty good job.
30:07
Speaker 3: I think we had also met that her political clarity
30:11
Speaker 3: is refreshing, so she might end up in Federal.
30:16
Speaker 2: Parliament if she doesn't. Watch out. I'll leave it there.
30:18
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time, mate.
30:19
Speaker 3: After the break, a hero pilot calls on the aviation
30:22
Speaker 3: sector to change course when it comes to zero plus
30:26
Speaker 3: farmers raised concerns about rare earth minerals there demanding fair
30:31
Speaker 3: and genuine community consultation for learning that landmark deal in
30:35
Speaker 3: the United States. Welcome back coming out the Queensland mum
30:41
Speaker 3: who refuses to nominate pronouns for her kindergarten aged child.
30:45
Speaker 3: She'll join me as overseas, evidence shows that trans diversity
30:49
Speaker 3: is waning in popularity, so why the ends it being
30:51
Speaker 3: pushed so hard in Australia. The first can you believe
30:55
Speaker 3: it's almost fifteen years ago now, since that quantas A
30:58
Speaker 3: three eighty flight came Paris close to disaster when its
31:02
Speaker 3: engines failed over Indonesia.
31:04
Speaker 2: Richard Krepti was one.
31:05
Speaker 3: Of the five pilots on that day who saved the
31:08
Speaker 3: lives of all four hundred and sixty nine people on board. Well,
31:12
Speaker 3: today he's fighting to save the aviation sector from a
31:15
Speaker 3: disaster of a different kind. He says the industry must
31:19
Speaker 3: abandon its quest for net zero carbon emissions, and it's
31:22
Speaker 3: called so called sustainable fuels, a fad I'm pleased to say.
31:26
Speaker 3: Richard de Kreptney joins me. Now, Richard, thank you for
31:29
Speaker 3: your time. Just talk to me about this pursuit of
31:32
Speaker 3: net zero. Is it driven by practicality, ideology, politics, Because
31:38
Speaker 3: now that we've got a change of heart from people
31:40
Speaker 3: like Bill Gates who says there are bigger issues to
31:42
Speaker 3: worry about and that adaptations key here, not lowering emissions,
31:48
Speaker 3: why is aviation still going down this course?
31:51
Speaker 17: Hi, Peter. First of all, on the anniversary the fifteenth,
31:55
Speaker 17: the year of the Q thirty two, I just have
31:57
Speaker 17: to thank all the members of the crew and the
32:00
Speaker 17: p in the cabin that helps saved all those passengers,
32:02
Speaker 17: and that's what we are acknowledging today around the world
32:06
Speaker 17: for all the people who survived it. Now, in relation
32:08
Speaker 17: to the zero for aviation I'm particularly interested in. It's
32:12
Speaker 17: not that Bill Gates's showing interest. There been lots of
32:15
Speaker 17: support across the industry and even Professor Jonathan Coldrick from
32:19
Speaker 17: the Australian National University. He recently gave a presentation to
32:23
Speaker 17: the military in Australia, where he said it is a
32:27
Speaker 17: diabolical problem because there's really no solution. Everyone would like
32:31
Speaker 17: to get rid of CO two excess CO two and
32:34
Speaker 17: every kilogram of fuel or petrow we burn generates three
32:38
Speaker 17: kilograms of CO two and if we do nothing, our
32:41
Speaker 17: footprint of CO two will double by twenty fifty. But
32:44
Speaker 17: the problem is in trying to solve the problem with aircraft.
32:48
Speaker 17: It's pretty well unsolvable because for long haul aircraft they
32:53
Speaker 17: require high density energy fuel and jet fuel is unequaled.
32:59
Speaker 17: You can't get anything else to match that, so the
33:00
Speaker 17: long haul aircraft really stuck. If you want to fly
33:04
Speaker 17: those aircraft long distance, you're going to need jet fuel.
33:08
Speaker 17: Short distance aircraft don't need jetfil You can use we'll
33:11
Speaker 17: be able to transition to batteries, but they're so small
33:13
Speaker 17: that actually won't have a big effect. Now, aviation only
33:17
Speaker 17: contributes about four percent to the quantity of CO two produced,
33:22
Speaker 17: and maritime is about the same, So it's not just aviation,
33:28
Speaker 17: but it's maritime as well that needs about eight percent.
33:31
Speaker 17: But you see that leaves ninety two percent of the
33:33
Speaker 17: rest of emissions of CO two, where perhaps the politicians
33:38
Speaker 17: that are trying to push this net zero. I hope
33:41
Speaker 17: they're all driving electric cars that don't emit CO two.
33:45
Speaker 17: There is no need to have that in manual or
33:48
Speaker 17: petrol cars in Canberra. So the problem is in producing
33:53
Speaker 17: these bio fuels or sustainable aviation fuels. We do it
34:00
Speaker 17: generally by displacing crops or cutting down forests, and Europe
34:05
Speaker 17: is actually prohibiting that.
34:08
Speaker 2: So talk to you about that.
34:10
Speaker 3: You make the point about their long range or a
34:13
Speaker 3: tiarity of distance in Australia means that we will be
34:16
Speaker 3: one of the big losers if this becomes mandated around
34:19
Speaker 3: the world because we require long range to cross into
34:23
Speaker 3: the northern hemisphere.
34:24
Speaker 2: What's the issue with these fuels? Is it range? Is
34:27
Speaker 2: it power? Is it safety? What's your concern?
34:30
Speaker 17: The problem is that batteries don't have the energy density
34:33
Speaker 17: to support an aircraft for long distance travel. It's too
34:36
Speaker 17: heavy for the energy you need jet field which has
34:39
Speaker 17: got the lowest specific gravity or the highest energy density. Now, yes,
34:44
Speaker 17: we do need Australians all fly a long haul for
34:47
Speaker 17: generally for holidays outside the country. And the answer if
34:50
Speaker 17: you want to go to net zero is you just
34:53
Speaker 17: have to accept. We'll have imposts on flying. You might
34:55
Speaker 17: get a budget of how far you can fly in
34:57
Speaker 17: the year, and you'll just be prohibited for flying aircraft. Now,
35:01
Speaker 17: if you don't want to do that, then we just
35:04
Speaker 17: have to perhaps say, well, let's look at the other
35:06
Speaker 17: ninety two percent of the CO two and see if
35:08
Speaker 17: we can do something there, because I think the concept
35:12
Speaker 17: of the moment of still having gas to provide electricity
35:16
Speaker 17: in the country as a backup is terrible. And let's
35:20
Speaker 17: also remember that the gross domestic product per capita of
35:27
Speaker 17: any country is reliant or depends upon cheap, reliable, good
35:31
Speaker 17: quality energy, and having a gas backup is not sustainable.
35:36
Speaker 17: So it means that even though we're going to have
35:38
Speaker 17: solar and wind and hydro and lots of batteries going
35:42
Speaker 17: in at one thousand a day, we're going to need
35:45
Speaker 17: and this is because of AI an extra demand coming
35:48
Speaker 17: in from AI. I think we're going to need nuclear
35:51
Speaker 17: reactors as well to give us reliability. Everyone who's watching
35:55
Speaker 17: this needs to ask, for how many minutes a day
35:58
Speaker 17: are they happy to take power going offline when the
36:01
Speaker 17: wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine. If you
36:04
Speaker 17: want that answer to be zero, then we have to
36:07
Speaker 17: do something about it and we're not. So I'm focusing
36:10
Speaker 17: on the other ninety two percent because aviation I think
36:14
Speaker 17: if you do want to fly in twenty and fifty,
36:17
Speaker 17: you're going to have to focus on other areas.
36:21
Speaker 3: You've always been a big advocate for the sector and
36:23
Speaker 3: an important voice for aviation. I know people are listening
36:27
Speaker 3: to you now thinking I want to hear more from
36:29
Speaker 3: this bloke. You have a new podcast, It's called Fly Richard.
36:32
Speaker 3: I'm going to encourage my viewers to download that podcast
36:36
Speaker 3: and listen and get engaged in the debate.
36:39
Speaker 2: I'm sure going to speak again, which is to quit me.
36:40
Speaker 2: Thank you very much there.
36:42
Speaker 3: Fifteen years on from that miraculous saving of lives over Indonesia,
36:48
Speaker 3: let's move now to the issue of critical minerals. The
36:50
Speaker 3: Prime Minister receive plenty of praise for that dearly did
36:52
Speaker 3: with Donald Trump deservedly, but farmers in Victoria are raising
36:56
Speaker 3: concerns about how rare earth mighting will impact their land,
37:00
Speaker 3: the food they produce and the food you want to
37:02
Speaker 3: buy an eat from Australia. Last month, the astron Corporation's
37:07
Speaker 3: Donald Project, which is in northwestern Victoria, was granted Major
37:11
Speaker 3: Project status by the federal government. However, locals are worried
37:15
Speaker 3: about the potential impact on their farms and the environment.
37:20
Speaker 4: A lot of the Australian proving belt would give a
37:24
Speaker 4: lot for saws like this, and.
37:27
Speaker 18: We're just going to dig them up.
37:30
Speaker 5: And for two point seventy five s royalties. So we're
37:34
Speaker 5: selling your soul for essentially what we believe.
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Speaker 2: Joined me now.
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Speaker 3: Victorian Farmers Federation Grains Group President Ryan Milgray. Ryan, thank
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Speaker 3: you from the outset. How much consultation has there been
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Speaker 3: because I know that there's been a number of protests
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Speaker 3: in donald in particular about this mineral sands project or
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Speaker 3: critical mining project.
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Speaker 2: Give us a sense of where locals sit, thanks Peter.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, locals are really being left in the dark
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Speaker 4: on this project. We've had absolutely zero consultation from any
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Speaker 4: form of government to be honest, and as you've seen
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Speaker 4: with all other projects that are happening, but renewables or transmission,
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Speaker 4: we're getting token istic, tokenistic stuff from the mining company itself.
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Speaker 4: So it's been a really frustrating tool. Make sure it's time.
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Speaker 2: I was up your way in January.
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Speaker 3: In February, I grew up not far from you, in
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Speaker 3: which you and I know that up there you've got
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Speaker 3: some of the best cropping country. We've got the state
38:41
Speaker 3: meat sheep. You know, it's where we want to grow and.
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Speaker 2: Eat Australian produce.
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Speaker 3: I saw some footage on your social media the soil
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Speaker 3: quality that will go, you know, the great land that
38:54
Speaker 3: won't be able to be used for agriculture should this
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Speaker 3: mind go ahead. I think a lot of Australians are
39:01
Speaker 3: pretty shocked by that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they would be.
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Speaker 4: And I think that the really shocking bit is that
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Speaker 4: this mine is all but we'll go ahead. I think
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Speaker 4: they're waiting a final investment announcement decision through astrons. So
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Speaker 4: our government, all levels of government, have sold our soul
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Speaker 4: on this one. I mean, I'm standing in front of
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Speaker 4: some balley here behind me, and you know this is
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Speaker 4: prime wimor cropping country. You know, we put our heart
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Speaker 4: and soul into this land and producing food for not
39:34
Speaker 4: just us, but it's probably really you know overseas that
39:37
Speaker 4: people that really rely on the Australian and particularly you
39:40
Speaker 4: know Western Victorian farmers to grow crops like lentils and
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Speaker 4: chickpeas and beans, and yeah, this is all going to
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Speaker 4: be really a jeopardy with this project going forward.
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Speaker 3: Just quickly on the royalty is because it's one thing
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Speaker 3: that we ship off these minerals, it's critical minerals.
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Speaker 2: It's another thing that we get.
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Speaker 3: A fair reward for the assets because once we dig
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Speaker 3: them out of the ground and we shit them overseas,
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Speaker 3: we only get to sell them once.
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Speaker 2: And I know that's something you've raised. Yeah, yeah, look absolutely.
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Speaker 4: One of the things that really jumped out at us
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Speaker 4: with the deal between Elbow and Trump was Trump's guiding
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Speaker 4: about how he's going to bring the price of critical
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Speaker 4: minerals down. Now, I'm no economist, but you know my
40:26
Speaker 4: life revolves around making money and selling commodities, and I
40:30
Speaker 4: think we all understand that if you increase supply and
40:34
Speaker 4: reduce demand, we know where the price is going to go. So,
40:37
Speaker 4: you know, we've got these things under the ground. We
40:39
Speaker 4: understand they're very critical. I mean, the phone I'm talking
40:43
Speaker 4: to you on now has got critical minerals in it,
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Speaker 4: GPS batteries, everything like that.
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Speaker 6: We understand that.
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Speaker 4: But what we're saying is we want a reasonable amount
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Speaker 4: for it. So two point seventy five percent to the state,
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Speaker 4: to the state of Victoria and the farmers that are
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Speaker 4: in the land are getting taken his stick. You know,
41:05
Speaker 4: they're literally getting hoarded off their land for nothing essentially.
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Speaker 4: So the Donald Project, in the numbers that we've been
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Speaker 4: seen out of their work plan is looking like something
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Speaker 4: like eleven million dollars at current market value of these
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Speaker 4: critical minerals, which may go down given the deal it's
41:25
Speaker 4: been done, but eleven million dollars to the crown. So
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Speaker 4: Victorian government will take a living in Buxworth. The royalties
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Speaker 4: and Astrona will be laughing all over the bank and
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Speaker 4: our community, our people, Victoria, we get left with nothing.
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Speaker 2: And the land.
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Speaker 3: I'll get Diddley Squatt and be off their land for
41:44
Speaker 3: thirty forty years. I'll leave it there, but we'll come
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Speaker 3: back this as I just said before with the aviation issue,
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Speaker 3: it's not going to go away.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Ryan, Thanks for your time.
41:52
Speaker 3: After the great parents furious after being asked to nominate
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Speaker 3: pronouns four and five year old kids in kindergarten plus
41:59
Speaker 3: confirmation to Victoria's crime is up one hundred and twenty ascent.
42:09
Speaker 3: Welcome back coming up in your reports suggests that refurbishing
42:12
Speaker 3: cold fire power plants could slash your household power bill
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Speaker 3: by twenty five cent but verse Queensland parents have expressed
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Speaker 3: outrage are being asked to nominate pronouns for their four
42:24
Speaker 3: and five year old children on official kindergarten forms. This year,
42:28
Speaker 3: there were reportedly forty six kindergartens where kids had nominated
42:34
Speaker 3: on forms as they all them and the forms were
42:37
Speaker 3: set out by Queensland's Curriculum and Assessment Authority. Psychiatrists rightly
42:42
Speaker 3: warn the policy introduced under the former Labor government risks
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Speaker 3: promoting harmful gender ideology and confusing little ones. Join me
42:50
Speaker 3: now is a mum who's been caught in this gender
42:52
Speaker 3: crossfire and she's gone public slamming the move.
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Speaker 2: Narissa Pace joins me.
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Speaker 3: Now, n people would think you know that we are
43:02
Speaker 3: absolutely making this up, but you are at the front
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Speaker 3: line of what's happening in Queensland kindergartens.
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Speaker 2: How did you react when you first heard about this.
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Speaker 10: I was pretty furious, Peter, as you can imagine. I mean,
43:15
Speaker 10: why is the state government pushing the radical notion that
43:18
Speaker 10: a child can be neither male nor female. It's just
43:23
Speaker 10: mind blowing. I mean, children at this age especially are
43:25
Speaker 10: very susceptible and impressionable, So if you lie to them
43:28
Speaker 10: about reality.
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Speaker 2: They will believe you. So it's really.
43:32
Speaker 10: Grooming kids to accept this contentious ideology which I, for one,
43:36
Speaker 10: and many parents I know, simply don't subscribe to. In fact,
43:39
Speaker 10: we outright rejected. And it's just an experimental indoctrination going
43:44
Speaker 10: on across society. And we know that this stage of development,
43:47
Speaker 10: kids are role playing. They do a lot of role playing.
43:51
Speaker 10: They think they're dinosaurs, princesses, doctors, cowboys, superheroes. But we
43:55
Speaker 10: don't tell a child that he's actually Superman or Spider
43:59
Speaker 10: Man because that's not true and it wouldn't be kind.
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Speaker 3: No, And the problem is too, I mean, they put
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Speaker 3: this on a form, they go into the kindergarten, and
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Speaker 3: to your point there, it's reinforced by the really.
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Speaker 2: Important adults in their life.
44:15
Speaker 3: Like when I was a beyond mum and dad, the
44:18
Speaker 3: most important person that I looked up to was my
44:20
Speaker 3: kindergarten teacher and the idea then your kindergarten teacher reinforces
44:24
Speaker 3: it you're not really a girl or you're not really
44:25
Speaker 3: a boy.
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Speaker 2: Well that's a slippery slope.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's one hundred percent exactly that. How can we
44:32
Speaker 10: trust our schools? How can we trust these teachers. It
44:36
Speaker 10: really makes me angry. And the whole school community, including
44:39
Speaker 10: my child, and the teachers are affirming this delusion and
44:44
Speaker 10: playing along and pretending they're compelled to do that to
44:48
Speaker 10: appease this ideology. And the other kids, the other cohort
44:51
Speaker 10: of children are forced to deny what they know and
44:54
Speaker 10: see with their own eyes and deny reality.
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Speaker 3: What do the other parents say you, and what are
45:01
Speaker 3: some of the staff saying about you? I mean, I
45:02
Speaker 3: don't imagine everyone in the kindergarten sector having had this
45:07
Speaker 3: imposed on them by the former labor government happy with this.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I've spoken to lots of parents who agree with me.
45:13
Speaker 10: They think it's just outrageous. As you said, it confuses children,
45:17
Speaker 10: It undermines reality based education, It grooms kids for further
45:21
Speaker 10: ideological brainwashing. It really is diabolical, and it's without our consent.
45:26
Speaker 10: We didn't sign up for this. We don't consent to this.
45:29
Speaker 10: Most parents don't know it's happening. So that's why I'm
45:33
Speaker 10: speaking out about it.
45:36
Speaker 2: Just quickly.
45:37
Speaker 3: I mean, you've got to keep your kids in that
45:38
Speaker 3: childcare center. This is one of the reasons why or
45:41
Speaker 3: is there. I keep arguing, we've got to give the
45:43
Speaker 3: government support to parents so that they get choices in
45:47
Speaker 3: situations like this, that they're not forced into these kindergarten
45:50
Speaker 3: settings where they've got crazy sort of nonsense like this
45:53
Speaker 3: going on. What do you think about your children staying
45:56
Speaker 3: in this facility?
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Speaker 10: Well, this is going to be This is across all
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Speaker 10: primary schools in Queensland. This is what all children transitioning
46:04
Speaker 10: from breaf we call it, or kindergarten down your way
46:08
Speaker 10: into primary school. This is across the state. So all
46:13
Speaker 10: primary schools are signed up to this and are doing this.
46:15
Speaker 10: So I couldn't take it to another state school because
46:18
Speaker 10: the same thing will be happening Catholic schools. I'm not
46:20
Speaker 10: sure if that's happening in Catholic schools.
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Speaker 2: Obviously.
46:23
Speaker 10: The other option is homeschooling, which I am considering, and
46:26
Speaker 10: it's not surprising that there's a huge increase in parents
46:29
Speaker 10: who are choosing to homeschool their children. But another thing
46:32
Speaker 10: that really concerns me is that we know that these
46:34
Speaker 10: policies amount to boys who adopt a non binary or
46:38
Speaker 10: a transidentity then being able to choose which bathroom they
46:41
Speaker 10: feel most comfortable in. And what's happening is kids aren't
46:46
Speaker 10: Girls are avoiding using the toilet when they need to
46:49
Speaker 10: go and soad they're just holding in all day, They're
46:51
Speaker 10: not drinking enough water because there are boys in their bathrooms.
46:55
Speaker 10: So why have the rights of young girls not been
46:58
Speaker 10: considered in this policy making.
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Speaker 3: All strengths touramas. So I'm going to follow this up
47:04
Speaker 3: with the Queensland government. The government's changed, I reckon the
47:07
Speaker 3: policies need to change and I'll come back to that
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Speaker 3: issue tomorrow. But as I said, you are brave speaking out.
47:13
Speaker 3: I am sure you've got a majority of pearents behind you.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight. It is absolutely shocking after
47:19
Speaker 3: the break that net zero report from the Page Research
47:22
Speaker 3: Center changed the mind of the National Party.
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Speaker 2: That's next, welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's the report that was given to the National
47:33
Speaker 3: Party that's prompted the seismic rethink of net zero delivering
47:37
Speaker 3: a high energy Australia. It's called co author and head
47:41
Speaker 3: of the Page Research Center, Jared Holland joins me. Now,
47:45
Speaker 3: this is a huge report. It's meticulous, it's researched, it's
47:50
Speaker 3: evidence based. But the critics and the ABC have gone
47:53
Speaker 3: after you, which tells me you're on the money.
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Speaker 18: Well, Peter, I know we haven't got a whole lot
47:59
Speaker 18: of time, but we went into as you mentioned, meticulous detail.
48:03
Speaker 18: We made over forty quite specific recommendations for how we
48:07
Speaker 18: can restore the balance between affordability, better outcomes for Australians
48:12
Speaker 18: and better outcomes for our environments. So I would encourage
48:14
Speaker 18: all your viewers to check it out on the Page
48:17
Speaker 18: website at page dot org dot au, which is quickly
48:20
Speaker 18: the three themes that really emerge for us around affordability
48:24
Speaker 18: for business and for households, Fairness that Australians shouldn't be
48:27
Speaker 18: doing more than the rest of the world, and the
48:29
Speaker 18: burdens certainly shouldn't be falling on rural and regional Australia.
48:32
Speaker 18: And of course better outcomes for our local natural environment.
48:36
Speaker 18: We shouldn't be destroying our countryside, our national parks, our
48:39
Speaker 18: farmland in order to kind of appease the global quantitment
48:43
Speaker 18: and really getting that balanced right is key to delivering
48:46
Speaker 18: high energy Australia.
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Speaker 3: Well, the National Party has been at the vanguard on this.
48:52
Speaker 3: I know the Page Resit Center has been at the
48:54
Speaker 3: vanguard in terms of the substantive support for these arguments.
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Speaker 3: Or to you, Jared, I'll leave it there. Thank you
49:01
Speaker 3: for joining me. We'll go back to that issue. I'm
49:03
Speaker 3: sorry I've run out of time. It's my fault here,
49:05
Speaker 3: but that's it. You'll sleep it tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: Is Andrew