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The Criminally Morbid Mortician w/ Harvey Guillén · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: Scal Come.
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  Speaker 2: Rob fro.
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  Speaker 1: Sca, Come.
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  Speaker 3: Rob's fro goddess.
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  Speaker 2: What's popping? Congregation, It's spooky season. Do you like my
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  Speaker 2: spooky voice? Would you climb down into a slow with me? Yes,
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  Speaker 2: my name is Lacy Mostly and this is the podcast
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  Speaker 2: Scam Goddess, all about robbery, fraud and those who practice it.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, it's a comedy show as well.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes we love.
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  Speaker 2: The scammers, sometimes we hate them, but we'll learn that
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  Speaker 2: along the way. Today we have an actor, an actor
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  Speaker 2: on the show, a true darling who you may have
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  Speaker 2: heard as Perrito in Putting Boots The Last Wish, or
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  Speaker 2: perhaps you've seen him in the sci fi thriller Companion.
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  Speaker 2: For our more comedy loving macabre fans, you may know
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  Speaker 2: him as Guermo de la Cruz from the hit show
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  Speaker 2: What We Do in the Shadows, and for this portrayal,
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  Speaker 2: he earned five Critics Choice Award nominations for Best Supporting
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  Speaker 2: Actor and made history by becoming the first queer LATINX
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  Speaker 2: actor to be nominated in this category. I noticed, right, Congregation,
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  Speaker 2: please welcome our first timer to Hallelujah Night Halloween. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: Harvey gian to the show.
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  Speaker 3: Hi Harvey, I thanks for that intro that was really nice,
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  Speaker 3: and I love the voice.
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to give him a.
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  Speaker 3: Little spooky nice Yeah, okay, it was a sophisticated spook.
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  Speaker 3: I liked it. I was like, oh, you know what
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  Speaker 3: it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's like I had ral Stein as a kid, and
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  Speaker 2: so we had that like weird skeleton man who had
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  Speaker 2: like a little bit of skin lift.
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  Speaker 1: That's what really made him scary.
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  Speaker 2: If he was just like a bone skeleton that you see,
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  Speaker 2: like you know in like biology, he wouldn't have.
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  Speaker 3: Been that scared skin And it's whoever did the illustrations
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  Speaker 3: I think it was the same illustrated for all the
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  Speaker 3: books did a fantastic job, because that's how you got
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  Speaker 3: those in your head, Like you got the visual like
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  Speaker 3: the cover of the book, and you're like, I'm in
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  Speaker 3: the power of a cover of a book. The jingles
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  Speaker 3: that make us.
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  Speaker 2: I miss jingles now they just be like baddies. We said,
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  Speaker 2: we know you've starved, we know food prices is up.
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  Speaker 2: Come on over here with your bitch ass. They used
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  Speaker 2: to try to woo.
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  Speaker 1: Us McDonald's a whole bunch of commercials with black people
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  Speaker 1: like bye bye bye, we're black and we love it.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Now, it's like right.
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  Speaker 1: Now, they're like, just come get this McDonald's.
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  Speaker 3: We know you're living a food still they don't even
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  Speaker 3: want to film the video.
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  Speaker 1: Where are you gonna eat? I know ain't on grocery stores.
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  Speaker 1: They're buying. Y'all don't got a community garden. So where
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  Speaker 1: y'are gonna eat? Come get this chicken? Snap, right, we
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  Speaker 1: put a little lettuce on it. That's healthy.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe chicken.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe chicken.
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  Speaker 2: Although I will say when that documentary came out, like
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  Speaker 2: ages ago, I had to watch it in health class,
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  Speaker 2: the one about McDonald's supersized me. Yeah, I got a
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  Speaker 2: McDonald's burger.
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  Speaker 1: That day, may want to go.
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  Speaker 3: I was like to eat it, Say what you will?
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  Speaker 3: I want to have a bite. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: But also there are moments with McDonald's where they were
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  Speaker 2: like now with real chicken, and we.
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  Speaker 3: Were like, now with real meat. Huh. I feel like
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  Speaker 3: that's something you just don't tell us then, because at
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  Speaker 3: that point we crossed the line. Just don't tell me.
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  Speaker 3: It's just like.
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  Speaker 2: Taco Bell knows their audience, okay, because they got healthier
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  Speaker 2: beef and stuff and they didn't tell nobody because they
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  Speaker 2: were like they'll think it's not gonna be nasty if
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  Speaker 2: it's healthier, so they didn't tell people that they actually
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  Speaker 2: upgraded the quality of the It's.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of true. My brothers will not eat something if I
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  Speaker 3: tell them it's healthy. But if I tricked that, trick them,
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  Speaker 3: scan them into thinking that this is like that's regular
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  Speaker 3: taco and they eat, like that's pretty good. Wasn't it good?
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  Speaker 3: Like that that was a vegetarian and they're like and
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  Speaker 3: they they get sick or like they get sick of
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  Speaker 3: their like no, don't do that. That's gross, and they's
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  Speaker 3: got like spinning it out like you are eating it.
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  Speaker 3: You were eating a second ago. I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but I know it's not real meat.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, they like the opposite, like if
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  Speaker 1: you try to trick a vegetarian like yeah, that.
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  Speaker 3: Was fishing and cry out, how do you feel you? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And it hurt real bad when it died.
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  Speaker 2: Because I feel like now, like the younger generation, like
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  Speaker 2: a gen Z or jen Alpha, the way that they
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  Speaker 2: consume spooky is like they'll be like and then slender
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  Speaker 2: Man hopped out of the shadows, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: tell you all about it while I apply my Patrick
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  Speaker 2: starts setting spray.
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  Speaker 1: It's like they don't get the full spooky news.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to see you doing your makeup while
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  Speaker 2: you tell me about a Garrizzlan.
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  Speaker 3: Murder, Like I want to be scared.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like no, it's really important to put on your
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  Speaker 1: base and and make.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, make sure, and guys to a look at this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta put the hand up the same color that
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  Speaker 3: the victim was found dead with. Yes, but different on me.
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  Speaker 3: So what you want to do is oh anyways, so yes,
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  Speaker 3: four people ended up being murdered.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like their blood was running rouge red throughout
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  Speaker 2: the streets. And speaking of rush red Rihanna has a
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  Speaker 2: new red lip color out and be thank you, femty.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to be doing this today. But as I
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  Speaker 2: was saying, when the last lady was stabbed to death
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  Speaker 2: with a knife that had a similar shimmer to this
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  Speaker 2: eyeshadow that I'm wearing from urban to Quay.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, can you see it?
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  Speaker 2: This is actually the Love Island combo. I'll put the
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  Speaker 2: link blow Okay, y'all get it the past, Like the
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  Speaker 2: link cud is Olandria, the linkut is Nicolandria. Oh man, yo,
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  Speaker 2: I did actually think though, when when that season was out,
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  Speaker 2: like Landria was wearing like a full beat and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, you need to get in some makeup industry
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  Speaker 2: because every time she kissed Nikis face was gonna be
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  Speaker 2: dark skin. He was like, not agreeing to black face.
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  Speaker 2: He kiss her and then and then all of a
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  Speaker 2: sudden he was in black face. So you know, we
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  Speaker 2: gotta get some stay makeup.
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  Speaker 1: We got a game. But we always asked on this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: he listen, Okay, they need that, Patrick Star said, spray.
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  Speaker 1: Patrick Starr spots of the show.
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  Speaker 3: I really don't like it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yes, I really do.
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  Speaker 3: Like it, like this, okay, I still have the wicked.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: I got something to my house, like tricksy stuff and
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  Speaker 2: like yeah, like the pigments. Like listen, a drag queen
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  Speaker 2: knows how to make it stay okay, because they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: be up there in church.
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  Speaker 3: Does not but it doesn't move.
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  Speaker 1: Face don't move, okay, face on FROs.
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  Speaker 2: But we always ask on this podcast, Harvey, what's your
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  Speaker 2: relationship with scams?
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  Speaker 1: Do you love them?
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  Speaker 3: Do you hate them?
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever run any that are past the statute
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  Speaker 2: of limitations? Have some been run on you? It could
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  Speaker 2: be anything.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't love any that's run on me.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I've been trying to be scammed several times financially.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe those telemarketers that people call you that it's it's
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  Speaker 3: a thing scammed.
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  Speaker 1: You were picking up those calls.
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  Speaker 3: No, eventually I was not. But you know the first
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  Speaker 3: time you get to call, you like what and you're
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  Speaker 3: vulnerable and you're like that, like.
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  Speaker 2: I mean you work in television. Yeah, And so sometimes
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  Speaker 2: there's production calls for a number that you don't.
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  Speaker 3: Know all the time. I almost missed out in a
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  Speaker 3: role because a number called me. I was like telemarketer,
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  Speaker 3: and and they kept calling and calls like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: leave me alone. Hey you get the part? What what? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you think you're super talented and oh okay, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I'm falling for that.
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  Speaker 1: And I went to this audition and you say I
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  Speaker 1: was there?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh okay, I see Okay. That would explain why
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  Speaker 3: I didn't work for four years because I kept turning
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  Speaker 3: down the calls that kept saying yes, and I said
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  Speaker 3: no end no, no war, no, not no war. I
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  Speaker 3: don't like scams, but I have been part of scams
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  Speaker 3: that I unbeknownst to me. Maybe I knew when I
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  Speaker 3: was in elementary school, I wanted to pay for acting
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  Speaker 3: classes because my parents couldn't afford to pay for it.
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  Speaker 3: So I found a flyer on our street where they
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  Speaker 3: had those things and you know, light pulps or whatever
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  Speaker 3: polls and it says are you rip off a number?
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  Speaker 3: I called them and they said if you're the ages
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  Speaker 3: between thirteen to sixteen, that was an agent. But I
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  Speaker 3: was ten eleven, so I wasn't old enough. So I
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  Speaker 3: called and I scammed them, and I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm thirteen, and they came to the house and the
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  Speaker 3: guy it was it was this crook who would literally
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  Speaker 3: hire kids who've been a juvie because they know that
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  Speaker 3: nowhere else to go to make some money. And so
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  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I'm thirteen, and he looked at me,
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  Speaker 3: all yeah, I guess yeah, I believe it. And I
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  Speaker 3: was like, okay, thanks. It was like they want him
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  Speaker 3: to believe it, but not so easily. I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm thirteen. He's like yeah, you look at and.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, when you're a black or brown person,
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  Speaker 2: they automatically assume we're older than we are, even though
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  Speaker 2: we aged the best and we don't look that way.
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  Speaker 3: To grow up.
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  Speaker 2: They're like that man, that grown man had a stick,
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  Speaker 2: so we had to attack him.
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  Speaker 3: He was tenser.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, no, that wasn't a girwn man.
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  Speaker 2: And the news still doesn't. They'll be like this adult
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  Speaker 2: was murdered, like that was a baby.
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  Speaker 3: That is literally a baby.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe can't go to the bar, that baby can't.
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  Speaker 3: It was holding something. It was a bottle. It was
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  Speaker 3: holding it.
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  Speaker 1: It was a bottle.
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  Speaker 3: He was holding a bottle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was attacking that lady. No, that was breastfeeding.
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  Speaker 2: He's any Yeah, No, that's his mother.
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  Speaker 3: That's his mother.
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  Speaker 2: Like you're aging up the brown people too much. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so you feel like you and kill him, Like, no,
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  Speaker 2: they're an adult.
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  Speaker 3: Needs to calm that down a little bit. Yeah, a lot.
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  Speaker 3: So I was ten eleven and pretending to be thirteen,
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  Speaker 3: and I knew it was a scam the second I
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  Speaker 3: met this guy. But I need to make money, so
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  Speaker 3: you need me.
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  Speaker 1: I need you that Desla meter.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, I see some bread legs, but at
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  Speaker 2: the same time, I'm trying to get the bag.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to get that bag, and I'm trying to
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  Speaker 3: pay for my acting classes, and my mom was like,
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  Speaker 3: who is this man? I was like, he works for
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  Speaker 3: I always say the name for it because it probably
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  Speaker 3: still out there. And on that scam artist California blank something,
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  Speaker 3: and it was yeah, yeah, California something. Yeah. I hope
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  Speaker 3: he's not in business, because what a crook like he
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  Speaker 3: would take these kids in low income communities and literally
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  Speaker 3: give you a box of chocolates that he paid a
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  Speaker 3: dollar for each one at the nine sinstor you sell
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  Speaker 3: it for five dollars, he gives you a dollar twenty
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  Speaker 3: five he keeps the rest.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, here's what bothers me about this. Clearly he's having
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  Speaker 2: you all do to leg work and he's not giving
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  Speaker 2: you a fair cut of the cash, right, Like you're
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  Speaker 2: getting twenty percent, but you're doing one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: Of the leg kids. Yeah, and we're desperate.
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  Speaker 2: And he's taking eighty. But also I don't think he
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  Speaker 2: was dreaming big enough. Why the fuck you're trying to
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  Speaker 2: sell this for five dollars a bus, Like when you
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  Speaker 2: got it for a dollar and you got cute kids
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  Speaker 2: that are knocking on doors, like hey, we're trying to
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  Speaker 2: play basketball, and we mean Jerseys.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh hey, that was how my voice sounded the
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  Speaker 3: way back then. That is my boy.
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  Speaker 2: We want to work for you one day, like leaning
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  Speaker 2: your house a song. But we can't do that if
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  Speaker 2: you don't buy these chocolate bars, because otherwise they gonna
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  Speaker 2: put us in jail. So rather like yeah, hey, nice
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  Speaker 2: white person, wouldn't you want me working for you.
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  Speaker 3: Rather than being a monologue. So my best actor was like,
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  Speaker 3: hi am Harvey, and I'm in California because I'm two
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  Speaker 3: bucks away from earning my you know about a trip
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  Speaker 3: to six Lags or a camping trip or whatnot. Whatever
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  Speaker 3: he told us that week was the goal, which at
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  Speaker 3: first I believed him, and I was like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we take trips. We got Disneyland, we got a thing.
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  Speaker 3: We never went Disneyland, like I worked for that man
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  Speaker 3: for three years. I never went to anywhere with him
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  Speaker 3: except for McDonald's afterwards. What he would drive us to
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  Speaker 3: after working a long shift, so you would waste your
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  Speaker 3: money because you would need to come back tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't going pay when he took you out of
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  Speaker 2: Mickey d. No, He's said, y'all have McDonald's money.
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  Speaker 3: You got one five you might I just gave it
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  Speaker 3: to you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now you're not gonna be able to get no prize.
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  Speaker 2: Like there's a water cup.
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  Speaker 3: If you're smart, you'll fill it with lemona but no, yes,
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  Speaker 3: and that way you understand. Like I became really good
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  Speaker 3: at it because also I was younger. So I was
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  Speaker 3: this kid who was walking in so chubby kid with
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  Speaker 3: the box that could hold it and like literally this
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  Speaker 3: it was heavy. It was like it was like twenty
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  Speaker 3: five items in They're like big box. I remember those boxes.
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  Speaker 3: Sewing kids also we sold sewing kids. We sold it
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  Speaker 3: didn't matter if you're diabetic or not. We had something
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  Speaker 3: for you. Like it was like we got a sewing kid,
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  Speaker 3: we got like you needed this thing, a fairy uh
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  Speaker 3: card holder, it's whatever the ninete sentistor was selling that
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  Speaker 3: day on sale. He would buy a bulkle.
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  Speaker 1: I can see you cleaning up. I like if it's like.
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  Speaker 2: You come to the door with a box and it's
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  Speaker 2: so heavy. You got your little baby ten year old
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  Speaker 2: arms shake and.
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  Speaker 1: Like what you like to buy and it's like they
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  Speaker 1: got to shake an army.
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  Speaker 3: I was like it was also winter. Sometimes they were
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  Speaker 3: like by whooping cough.
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  Speaker 2: You just went aroundulous again. You literally went around like
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  Speaker 2: tiny tail week. But then they got a great story
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  Speaker 2: for dinner parties. They were like, there was this young
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  Speaker 2: boy and he was shaken, shaking, helped him and I
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  Speaker 2: helped him.
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  Speaker 3: I held the savior. Yeah, literally, that's what they needed
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  Speaker 3: to feel like they were the same in the story.
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  Speaker 3: And I was, you know, banking it in like I
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  Speaker 3: was selling so much, and I became like a junior manager,
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  Speaker 3: which meant like he would give me the better spots,
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  Speaker 3: like gas stations were better. Mind you, I'm like a
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  Speaker 3: kid and I'm at a gas station until eleven PM
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  Speaker 3: on a weekday, like working these streets. What if y'all
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  Speaker 3: got abducted. Here's how we stopped that. This is before,
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  Speaker 3: like we stopped. So there's complaints about getting abducted, and
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  Speaker 3: we took those complaints into consideration. We took k HR, which.
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  Speaker 1: Comfortable.
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  Speaker 3: I got to HR, so I get the complaint in
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  Speaker 3: the complaint box and I read them and I'd be like,
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  Speaker 3: we can address this. And the fear was that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: this is before no one could no one afford to
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  Speaker 3: have a cell phone. No, we didn't have cell phones.
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  Speaker 3: And the way that you got security was he gave
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  Speaker 3: you a piece of chalk, and when you went into
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  Speaker 3: a street, you put an arrow that you went into
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  Speaker 3: that street with your initials. If there was no arrow
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  Speaker 3: coming out on the other side of the street, that
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  Speaker 3: means you're in that street. So we know where to
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  Speaker 3: find you. And if for some reason you forgot to
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  Speaker 3: chuck out, we stay in that street looking for you
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  Speaker 3: for an hour. In the hopscotch hr he would look
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  Speaker 3: for you late at night. Sometimes we'd be looking for
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  Speaker 3: don't coming back.
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  Speaker 1: We know either a pigeon was over or you got
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  Speaker 1: took Like, what do you mean.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm telling you. We spent like an hour and
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  Speaker 3: a half looking for this kid, and we're like, can
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  Speaker 3: we go home? We were all hungry, we were looking
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  Speaker 3: for one kid. But this guy was as like this responsibility,
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  Speaker 3: I gonna go tell these kids. So he finally gets
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  Speaker 3: the gut, pulls over to gus and calls the home
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  Speaker 3: and goes, hey, just to let you know we can't
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  Speaker 3: find Oh, he's here, he's there. He's like, yeah, he
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  Speaker 3: just took the bus and left and didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: do it anymore. Would have been great if he told
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  Speaker 3: us that, because we've been looking for an hour and
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  Speaker 3: a half. I got home like at midnight that night,
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  Speaker 3: and I had a test next morning.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: But he should have did the right thing and hung
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: out at each stop with the kids. Well, he had
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: to be greedy and separated.
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: He would pack a van with twenty kids, and we
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: would be sardines in this band, like we were like
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: over the maximum capacity, Like there would be kids on
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: each other's last.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: See, if he was a smart business person, he could
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: have hit several areas multiple times with different kids. Because
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: if he had kept all the kids together and been like, Dervy,
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: you go to this one house and we're gonna hide
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: over here in the corner in the bushes. And then
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: the next kid, okay, Shane, you go to this house.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: We're gonna be in the bushes, and then we get
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: hit it the same week. We just write a little
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: map like, okay, Harvey hit this one, so now you
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: know this one.
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: Had like he's like this week, we're doing a SUSA
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: next week mono belt like he was like covering his tracks.
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: And then in five six weeks we come back to
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: those cities again and he would switch out, you got it, Okay,
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: so you're doing.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: It, but no more irresponsible. You just can't take your
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: eyes off the children.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't want to hit the same neighborhood twice in.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: A week about draw chocolatene.
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: You were, that's selling yourself short. Because if you hit
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: the same neighborhood twice in a week, like I just
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: bought from this little kid cheeks last week, they don't
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: want that. Let seven weeks go by, you can revisit
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: that place again.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, And then I just don't like that. He's like,
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: if you are feeling like you're gonna get abducted, like draw.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: A little body out line.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that we know you got too yeah,
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: and now we can't yeah, kidnapper, I just have to
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: draw this real quick so they know, like no.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: No, you want a scammer. And then the worst prob
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: is that he didn't let us take tips because he
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: doesn't get a cut of that, because he doesn't if
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: you've got a tip and didn't sell a box, he
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: that's you know, you don't get ten percent of nothing
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: or ninety percent of nothing. So he was like, no
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: tick tips. And so I was a parenter about taking
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: tips and one time lady for your act exactly. So
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: this lady's like I'm diabetic, I don't I have a
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: twenty And I was like, oh, we don't accept and
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: I was like, wait, why don't we accept tips? And
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: it's like me just being followed the rules, follow the
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: rules and play by the rules. And I was like okay,
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: and I took the twenty. And I had this gut
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: feeling the whole day that he was gonna find out something.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: I was like, you think I didn't see that. I
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: was like, that's what I thought. So I collect the
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: tips and sometimes I would go home with way more
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: tips than actual cells. And eventually he saw my cells
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: like declines, like you're not selling as much. And I
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, people aren't buying. It's like or maybe
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: you're not trying harder. And I was like done, done, dune,
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: And I was like he's starting to smell that. Like
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: I'm going to work and I'm not putting as much
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: effort of selling one box. I'm putting much effort. If
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: you don't like chocolate, I'll take a tip. I was
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: working for tips.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: You're funny as well doing bits.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: I was like I used to do that as a kid.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: They would like go door.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: To door sing for people Carol, like you were Carol.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: I me and my brothers and my sister's coming. We
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: weren't a professional Caro. I came, I may think come
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: with me door to door to Carol and be like,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: we wish you merry Christmas. Them we're fo okay.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Entertainment.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Entertainment was always in the family. So one day he
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: was driving and we hit we're picking people up and
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: we saw a guy. He was like sixteen. He'd been
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: to Juvie. He was wearing like you know, this white
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: top like tattoos everywhere. But he knew that he needed
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: this job because no one else they weren't hiring Hm McDonalds.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: They weren't hiring because of his record, Like he had
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: a really bad record, and at that point he needed
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: this job. But people were tipping him. They were taking like,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: you know, take this twenty and you know, all the
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: best to you. He saw him take a tip, and
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: he got out of the van and he walked up
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: halfway through like the walkway where the house was, and
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: he goes, I saw you took a tip, and he goes,
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: I know what you're talking about is that I saw
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: you get to me. He said, what give me the tip,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: I said, guarantee me, and he grabbed it and like
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: wrestled him to the floor. This is a child, he's
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: still sixteen's underage. This is a full over ten dollars,
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: like just wrestled him. And I was like this like
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: watching in the window, and that's what I knew. I
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: have to get out or that's gonna.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Be yeah, because that.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Is a pill. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure it was
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: heading that way eventually. He was probably going to start.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Now that you're really good at selling chocolate, you could
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: sell something else, yes, artists. I would say working for
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: him was like a big scam, but he taught me something.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: It's like people are out there scamming people every day,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: and either you're the scammer or you're the one being scammed.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: You know. It's just like people are desperate and they
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: and everyone has needs. Yeah, Scarce.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I just think like wrangling up a bunch of children
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: and having them under threat and trying to keep them underpaid.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: You're like, what are you doing, bro, Like if you
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: can round up this many kids and it's like kind
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: of daycare.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, oh, and I saw one time I got
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: to go to his storage facility, which was his house,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: his garage. This is going terrible. This is a storage facility.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Akay where he lives, you know what.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Listen.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I was on Coning once and I was in my
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: car and ConA was like, Lady, I thought you were
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: gonna call, like we were gonna have this video call
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: from your office because it was like the height of COVID,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: And I was like, this is my office wherever I.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Park is my address?
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, y'all.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Elex, Yeah, that's where my office is currently. Okay. It
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: was just a mobile office. You know, people have mobile homes.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: I have a mobile office.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: He had a storage facility that was also where he slept.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Had a mansion. Yeah, And I saw this man. I
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: was like, you live here in a two story mansion
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: and he's all yep. And I was like, and you
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: do something else like during the day. Nope. His lifestyle
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: was paid by these kids and he lives in a
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: gorgeous home while I'm living like an apartment with a
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: family of six, you know, like a one bedroom you know. Craziness,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Like the idea that I was like, we're That's what
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: I realized. I was like, we're paying for this house.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: I'm paying for this I should live in this house.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: And he was just like, yeah, keep the boxes. It's
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: the garage to the doors open and there's tons of
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: chocolate like you would have imagined. It was just like
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: drug Kilo cocaine.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: He had his corner boys. Yeah, we're out here slanging
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: that chocolate.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: That pure Columbia Columbia jacko. Okay, straight to your door,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: very discreet, very.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Nice, very mindful.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: He was Pablo Esco Candy Bar.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: You know, Let's chocolate bar.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: They call him. You do not want to cross l Jaco.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I once took a tip and son jumped out the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: band and wrestled me to the ground.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: I've already heard legends of choco, It's true. Though. That's
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: when I knew that. I was like, I need to balance.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: I need to also if I'm really good at this now,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: like I could probably get a job that doesn't put
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: me in danger that night, and like then you know,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: ended up going to work for a swap meet as
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: the runner off of Tips. I realized Tips is where
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: the money's at. Yeah, And I was like, I could
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: just do a job that just and you.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Have great vibes, and you really have to have great
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: vibe like when you walked into the studio.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, Harvey, are such great vibe?
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, I could feel it, and you really have to
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: have great vibes to get good tips.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: That's true. I didn't think about that. I just thought
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: you just like you a good job and you're getting
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: a good tip. But you're right. I've met people who
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: work in food service when I was, you know, a
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: waiter and stuff, and people are not good vibes. And
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: I was like, what are you doing here? This is
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: not for you. And they're like, yeah, it's just like
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: hi walking and vodka. Sure, I'll get that. And I
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: was like, what are you doing? Like that's how you
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: talked to customers. It's like you're not getting a tip,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: and then they get mad at they don't get a tip,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Like what did I do wrong? Everything?
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Everything, everything is okay.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: So I was kind of like medium vibes because I
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: didn't want to be working at a restaurant. But I
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: wasn't going to give you an attitude. I'll key keep
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: with you a little bit.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: But I just really was not supposed to be so
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: such a long way.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like I had a friend Nick who like
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: he like I was still get very high tips, but
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: he would get the highest tips every quarter because he
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: liked engaging with fellow full out, and like, my worst
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: nightmare was if there's like a couple that's been together
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: for a long time and you could tell they don't
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: really have nothing else to talk about. So then when
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: you walk up to the table, like, hi, welcome, can
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I get your order? And they're like, oh, how you doing,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: little lady? How was your week? And then all of
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: a sudden we're in a conversation. I'm like, I don't
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: want to talk to you. Please the order, and then
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: they come, you know, you come at the end of
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: the medal and we're like, did you enjoy everything? And
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, we hated it, and look the plates
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: him act like it was the first time I've ever
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: heard that, Like my soul is just leaving my eyeballs
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: and my body.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, yeah, I empty.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: I saw it as an acting gig. Every table was
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: a was a bit because everyone has different energy. So
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I would go to the people that are they're about
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: to break up, so I'm going to make it lighter
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: but not too over the top to like I'm annoying
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: them to be like, hey, guys, welcome and it's like,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: how's it going, Well, sure, I'll get that for you.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: They also want their quiet time. You read people's energy
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: and they're about to break up, give them a second,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: bring the check after. Oh.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: They used to call me a mercenary.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: If I had a couple that was about to break up,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I would actually do the opposite and run the tab up.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like, somebody knows this, they last meal, Okay, somebody
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: to know. You want to push that dessert, the drink
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: you want to drink, you give me Yamazaki by Yeah,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: you know it's like at least fourteen you know, don't
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: mind the price because I could just tell like money, yeah.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: How you live today? Yeah, but it's true. Every every
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: table was I felt like it was like a little scene.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: And for this tonight's performance, for this table where they're
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: breaking up, you're a little more like fun but light
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: but not like too much. For this one, they just
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: had a really terrible day. Cheer them up. They want
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: to have a good day, so cheer them up. And
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: it worked every time because everybody goes to the stelships
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: to get food and nourishment or whatnot, or to get away,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: and now you're just doing your best because they're living
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: their life. You're doing the best you can, and they're
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: doing the best they can. So all I want is
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: that tip. So like I want to making sure that
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: you left happy and whatever that capacity means to you.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: If you were happy by my service, you're happy that
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I made you laugh, But you leave happy, that's all
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I can exactly.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And that's why you had the risk.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: That's why you were making money when you were out
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: here being scam not even knowing, and then like you
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: did it legit and you made even more money.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: That's such a great story, you know what I mean.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: And wherever you know Esco Chocolate bar is you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I hope he's doing well.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know you was beating up keys. We can't
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: hope that you're doing that.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I wish you the day you deserve.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I wish you the day whatever that means, whatever I
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: wish you.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: To get exactly.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: And whenever someone taught me that, and then there's the
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: stay with me, because it's true. People like no, I
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: wish them well. I was like, no, don't wish them,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: ill wish the day they deserve because you know if
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: you've done good or bad, and so if you say no,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: don't don't tell me that. It's like, why is there
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: something you want to confess, like yeah, I wish you
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: the day you deserve? No no, no, no no no, not
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: about why what have you done? Have you done? Or
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: if you go like thank you, that's thank you. You
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: know you've done good because you have no you know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: quarms about it. But if someone goes, no, no, no, not.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: The day I deserve, that's a good little scam, just
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: like I wish you the day you deserve. Why would
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: you put that evil on me?
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Oh man, Well, now it's time to get into the
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: spooky part of the show. Even though I think, like
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: l chuckle lot is kind of scared. You know, it's
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: it's taking off. He took like a fun confection and
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: now I feel like if you saw that same chocolate.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Bar, be likes, Yeah, I do see people sometimes there's
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: kids with boxes. I guess no, and I'll go up there,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: like you don't have to do this. He can be
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: out the streets.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Now, you pulling a full drink like you do at
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the strip club, Like you don't have to do this.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I'll put you in a song.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, you work on at the Hooters on Peach Street,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I'll put you in a song. You never got to
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: sell a hollow again.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: You were like, no, y'all put the chocolate bars down.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: You were like that Michael Jackson mean when they're like
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: and they don't really care about us and they hold
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the gun up to Michael Jackson, he like puts it
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: down with his finger, like, no, you don't have.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: To sell this chocolate. No more, No Peach Street. I
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: was just on Peach Street this weekend in Atlanta.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, you know, I'm like, what would you do
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: if your son was not home? I'm alone on the
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: neighborhood flock because he's hllongry. The only way to feed
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the miss just say some chocolate for a little bit of.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Money, Like no, oh my god.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: So we have our Halloween spooky episode and we definitely
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: wanted to do this because you are very familiar with
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the spookiness.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, what we do.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: In the shadows, and so we wanted to give you
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: a fun little historic Ooh do cood y'all feel that
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: shiver could shiver up your spine? Yes, yes, it's not anemia.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: It's fear.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's not anxiety.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: It's me making you shiver.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Also a thing, it could be.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: In the early nineteen eighties, a mortician, David Sconce, found
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: new and gruesome ways to cut corners in the cremation business,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: turning his family's funeral home into a money machine. Oh yeah,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I just feel like funerals are one of those things
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: where funerals are for the living, and I don't want
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: anyone running a funeral home like it's something in Silicon Valley.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I don't want you thinking about like the numbers. Yeah,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I hope there's not a chart that's like, look, deaths
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: are up this year, which means we need to be
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: on the ground. Okay, if we see an ambulance coming
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: with a black with the whole black body bag, that
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: is an opportunity for us and we need to get
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: after it. Like, I don't want that to be like
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: it's supposed to be a nice emotional thing for people
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: to say goodbye.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: But he was like, no, I see some ROI we
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: could get on these.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I grew up in St. Gabriel down
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: the street from this place in pasadenaas it's like I
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: grew up down the street. Yeah, this mortuary and crematorium
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: was down the street from the funeral home. Yeah, you're
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: familiar with the lab funeral home have been around like
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: the nineteen twenties.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Because it's a family business. So David sconce is the
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: one that took over and studied.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: He married into the is this right? Do you marry
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: the daughter who's the son?
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Let's see that. I think you might be right about that.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: So before so the family business. Just to get a
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: little sense of the last the Lambs, not to be
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: confused with Raah Carrey's stand base. Also, let's look at
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: him real quick. This is David Scott. Yeah, he looks
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: like you know what people hold on today hairline And
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: it's like the hair does look luscious on the parts
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: where it's not bald, and you can see he's putting
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: some product in it.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: But it's also like we can see that you ball babes,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: like just go ahead and lean in, like you don't
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: have to, like what is this? The mister Burns come
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: like you win in and like you were like you
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: went into the barbershap and was like give me the
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: smithest special.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: This new show just came out this year called The Sentiens.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I really love.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: It's so good. It's so like, I'm not going to last.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: I don't just one season.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I get two seasons for sure. So he looks mischievous
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: in this photo, So I'm game. So the fam right Smith,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: So the family business. Before their license was revoked in
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, Lamb Funeral Home had been one of
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: LA's well known and trusted places to help lay a
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: loved one to rest. So we're looking at the Lamb
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Funeral Home.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I love that it like it's past style.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Spanish style. That's I was about to say, Like it
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: blends into the neighborhood. It's not giving us there, it's giving.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Like this is a you know, there's a coffee shop
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: right across the street from there, and I literally drive
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: by there once a week.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: It's kind of terrifying that things that happened there that
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: like you know now have led to this, But most
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: people who live there either forgot about it, because if
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: you live in SGV, in the Singhaba Valley, you either
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: knew about it or you didn't. And I was too
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: young to young amazing, So I just remember not hearing
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: about this till later, and because you know, after a while,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: people hear like stories, especially like sing Gaber like about
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: haunted places. Yeah whatnot. But I grew up in that
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: area and I'd heard about it, but not to the
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: detail that I've come to known in the last like
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: couple months.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: So you didn't get like a chill down your back.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say spine, but I like back, buddy,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: you didn't get a chill down your back when you
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: walked past.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: No, I mean you do. Get that started he started
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: shaking control of Smith.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: So it was run by a prominent old Pasadena family
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: and had been established in the nineteen twenties, helping Pasadena
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: and Altadena neighbors mark the passing of their loved ones
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: with respect and dignity, or at least it appeared that way, right,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: So Charles f Lamb founded the funeral home, then his
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: son Lawrence Lamb took over from the nineteen fifties to
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties. When the business passed on to Lawrence's
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: daughter Lorianne, they clocked it and her husband, former football
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: coach Jerry Sconce, their son David Sconce, So they're the
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: son of Lorianne and who she married. Dave Wisconce really
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: wanted to be a football player and wanted to be
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: like his dad, who was jerried.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: One faithful day, David stepped into a gopher hole and
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: suffered a career ending and injury, which led to him
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: joining the funeral home business instead. So he's like, I
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: can't play football, So how does one.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Step into a golfer hole? Like it's like your whole
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: foot goes in there. Yeah, because like you can't goes in.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: How big is a golfer?
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Like the golfers be making holes and then like you
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: may be running.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: On fields or something, it's gotta be big enough for
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: like a young man's foot to go in. Yeah, And
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: it was just like the top of your foot, like
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: if you break your ankle something crazy. Yeah, if you
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: break it something crazy, then it's a wrap.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: So he was like, okay, I was trying to play,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: you know, football, But now he looks like happy the
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: funeral home.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: You know, look happy in the last photo we saw him.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Now he looks happy there. Yeah.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: But he was like, okay, I'm getting in the family business.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: And so twenty thousand future victims suffered at his hands m.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: David Sconce who we've been talking about, and now we
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: know his parents were Lorianne and Jerry Scott's and that
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: he wanted to be football player like a daddy, and
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the gopher hole snatched him up. Yeah, the gopher hole
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: was like Lake Lanier and just snatched him up underneath.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: And then he couldn't he couldn't do football no more.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: So now he's like got twenty thousand victims at the
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: funeral home. So David Scots got his mortuary science certification
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: from Cyprus College at his parents' suggestion. Yeah, you can't
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: just join the funeral business. This is not like that
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: one television show where you just be like I'm a.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Part of it. Like you have to get some education.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: How to embody? Yeahbody, body, body already.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, So David's parents kept running the actual funeral home
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: and during embalming's viewings and burials right while David got
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: to run the cremation business, which happened off site at
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: the old Pasadena Crematorium facility in Mountain View Cemetery. So
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: the parents were still like, we'll do the embalmings. We're
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: going to do the viewings and the burials. Because we
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: know what we're doing. And then you come in and
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: you you you do the crematorium off site, and I
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: will say, like fifth funeral homes do tend to be
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: a family business.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: A lot of the funerals I've dealt with, we're a
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: family business.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: And I've said it on this podcast one time, like
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: like a ten year old in the suit, like open
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: my grandpa's casket for the viewing, and then he was
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: like we would walk up like hysterical crying.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: He's like, I'm so sorry for your lost and I
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: was like, this is a baby. He was like, you
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: running around selling your chuckle lives.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Wasn't that the storyline for My Girl? The movie, Dan
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Aker plays a dad who works for the funeral Jamie
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Curs is the mom and she has to bury her
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: best friend McCay clulk and when he gets stung by bees,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, She's like, this is classes.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: What is he gonna see the beest classes? That is
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: one of the most depressing crockety scene's just like sobbing.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm too young for this. And the
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: reason he went back to get her mood ring was
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: for her because he loved her and a crush on
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: her and got stung by killer bees. Well, no, he
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: was allergic to bees, that's the shit.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was allergic to bees. Name had the baby
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: didn't handle Eppan, but she grew up in the funeral
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: part because her dad owned. So I was like, oh
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: my god, that is the story they know.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: That's depressed, I know, but also very sweet.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: She was like, no, he gotta go away looking like
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: how you be looking.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: But it was like no one expected that movie to
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: take that turn. Honestly abusive, you know what I mean.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: It's warning, trigger warning if you hate bees, if you
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: hate dying like.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: L ray or if you love Macaulay Culkin, because he
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: was definitely that childhre yes, so.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Please be serious.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: So, cremation was getting popular as a cheaper alternative to
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: burial at the time, but David wanted to up their output.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: So in nineteen eighty two, now, how are you going
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: up output? That's depending on people being dead? Like, I
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: don't think you can run the numbers up, like it's
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: just in but we all need to be watching the
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: eleven o'clock news, okay, and then we send them a
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: fruit basket and our funeral stuff.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I'd like feel like they're like at candlelight vigils for
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: like missing people, and they like they got their candle.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: But they're like, hey, yeah, if this doesn't the way
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: that we want, this is a car. This is cay coupon.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we give you a coupon. If there's a missing person,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: you get fifteen percent off. We also can bury empty
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: caste exactly if they come back and they're not alive,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: the makeup will be free.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: So like, what is wrong with y'all?
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: So he's so David wanted up the output, so he
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: started offering cremation services out to other funeral homes using
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the Mountain use like cemetery down the street. So it's
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: like I already got the plug here, so if y'all
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: need them, y'all need them cooked, like let me cook.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: And so.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I need to get off the internet.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Oh my god. Okay, ready forgive me. If you only
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: alternative ways of saying goodbye to your loved ones, that's clear.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: What I mean.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: That's what I mean.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm here as an interpreter for my client.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. This is my counsel because y'all
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: are gonna get me objection your honor.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I shout up with a lawyer today.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, sidebar, I can't say that, okay, okay, And don't
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: my client wishes to if you don't need them to
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: cook them?
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: He said, shut hell up?
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: You said, shut he up. Are we wording that to
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: alternative ways of saying love ones goodbye?
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we mean. Remember it different?
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Yes, rab.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Run.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: So he started offering the cremation services to other funeral homes. Right,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: David was the sole owner and operator. He used his
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Dodge van and with the seats taken out, to pick
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: up the bodies from mortuaries as far away as Santa
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Barbara and San Diego. Then he drove them back to
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Pasadena to cremate them. Now, I know y'all working at
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: a funeral home. Y'all been doing this since nineteen twenty.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Y'all got a hers budget cuts. We gotta gotta be
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: your social Also Dodge a resolciful, reliable car. Dodge sponsored
• 37:22
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• 37:25
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• 37:27
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• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Pick up your bodies with Dodge? Like what pick up
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: your bodies?
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: You're like our ac system works real well, like we
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: got it in the front end of the back you
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: can't tell they're live or not, like what. So he
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: undercut everyone on price to drive up the business, charging
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: fifty five dollars per body, hundreds less than other more targets.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, fifty five dollars to be cremated. Like he can't
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: get these deals now.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: He was like the uber of cremation, you know, yeah,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: call me up.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, fifty five dollars. That's really good, even for
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine. That's right, right, that's really good.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: So his overhead was the cardboard boxes bodies were carried in,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: which costs five dollars, and the diesel fuel for the crematorium,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: which was less than that. He returned the ashes to
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: clients or scattered them at sea.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think he scattered them.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think he did. That was the drive he's
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: not making even you said you scattered him ass, yeah,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: but might.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Say the wind scattered them in your backyard.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: He was like, garbage island is at sea, so I
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: put it in a trash can. It'll make it to
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: the sea. So I didn't really lie.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Oh if I just put them somewhere else and right.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: It was like the toilet water is technically the sea,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: So what do you mean terrible? We're like, no, I
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: don't think it is, sir, I don't think.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: I do think.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: As his operations got bigger, David hired former football players
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: he knew from his time as a player as van
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: drivers for two hundred and fifty dollars a day. So
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: he was like, you ain't making it to the NFL.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: H Well, you were still lifting two fifty.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: So what do I have a job for you?
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: This is second best?
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: So you worked out this much like you can lift
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: these bodies. Do you have a dodge questions of the show?
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Dodge dodge for your family vacations and for your family vacations. Yes.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: So he paid his right hand man, former gang member
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Johnny Polarana.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: That's the game. Was like, oh no, it's Johnny Colaramo.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very like the scarf facing in.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: So he paid Johnny Polarana six thousand dollars a month
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: to help him load the bodies into the oven chambers
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: where they were burned. Johnny was smoking rock cocaine at
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, this is a photo of him, Johnny. Johnny is Johnny,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: you know what's funny?
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Like he's got on this kind of palm tree button up,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: like he's trying to give like you know, warm weather crazy.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: But then he's staircase and he's doing crack. Is it
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: rock cocaine? Crack, Johnny, don't do crack. Don't crack, Johnny, don't.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I hope he wasn't lighting up the little pipe with
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: the with the fire from the front.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Is the stuff?
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Now? I'm like, what was going on? Johnny?
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Just look like he's lived a life though, Like in
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: those eyes, you're like, you know stuff. He's not telling
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: the stuff I could tell right now. He's only telling
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: us as much as we need.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: To know exactly.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: And you know, they say people have like crackhead strength sometimes,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: so he was in there like lifting bodies, right, so
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: he was very strong. You know, Johnny, I'm not really
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: against you right now because it seems like you were
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: just doing what like you were told. This is still
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: people's like wonderful gift and last wish you get a
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: nice urn, you can keep it in your house.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but I think Johnny was the
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: reason that this all fell apart because he was smoking
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: crack and he burned the crematory.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if your right hand man should
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: be smoking crack a lot. It just feels like a
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: bad business idea. I mean, yeah, that's friends, but I
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: feel like you could have had a lower ranking position,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Like I just feel like right hand man be reserved
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: for anybody who's like actively on crack.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: If you're not on crack anymore, that's a different story.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: If you're a recovery like and honestly to anybody who's
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: in recovery, like what you've been through like, but if
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: he's actively still doing it, then not a good Yeah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: And I think if I could be wrong, but I
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: think I remember hearing about it all went down because
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: of him if he spoken cracy, Harry got the cheese make.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Harvey is from the neighborhood and he's walked past the
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: grandies on their.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Porch Liken, Okay, a model crack say crack again?
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the cheese made was hot? Yes, so cutting cremation corners.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: The Pasadena crematorium facility at Mountain View Cemetery had two chambers,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: and under previous managers it would only have done a
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: max of four cremations in a day because it takes
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: several hours to heat it up to the point of incinerating,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: and several more hours to cool down to the point
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: that you can open the chamber again. So in nineteen
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: eighty one, before David took over, there were one hundred
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: and ninety cremations at the facility. In nineteen eighty two,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: that number went up to fifteen hundred, then thirty five
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: hundred in nineteen eighty three, and four thousand, three hundred
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: and nineteen eighty four. So when they were doing ethically
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: and only doing four commissions a day, they were doing
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: one ninety. Right by the time two years time, they
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: had uped it to four thousand, three hundred.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: That's a big jump. Yeah, that's a huge If those
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: were stocks, you just hit the judge, right, you just
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: hit the judge.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: So he started by putting two or three bodies into
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: a chamber at a time and then upped it to fifteen.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: That's at a time. I yes, I heard about that.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: I heard that that's not physically possible naturally, you would
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: have to be breaking limbs, and.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm so sorry for the gore, But like
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: you really are a spot on, Harvey. To make them
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: fit David and Johnny would have to break collar bones
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: sometimes or legs or arms and force them in. And
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: he used to, Oh, my gosh, I'm not gonna I
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: don't know, I'm not gonna say this part, but like
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: it's so gross. Like there's also docu on HBO if
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: you want all the nitty gritty gory gross, but I'm
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: not going to do that.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Well, we're good times to.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: The family, the families of these victims that like they
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: trust you to say goodbye to their loved ones and
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: you're stuffing them in like you're you know, Now, it
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: kind of makes.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: More sense to me that his right hand to do
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: this part needed to be on crack, right, yeah, yeah,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: because like no person who's in there, like right mind
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: would be like yeah, sure, Like obviously we know David
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: is not a sane human being, and so Johnny could
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: have just been like the crack made him like this
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: is a good idea.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Maybe it wouldn't be if he wasn't. But the weird
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: part is that, like, i mean, obviously we know who's
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: at the top of all this. Yeah, but it got
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: it got to the point where he was so selfish
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: that it wasn't enough that they were crying so many
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: bodies in one day into the crematorium. They started taking
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: gold teeth out of their mouths. They start taking their
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: rings their like it's like, what, you're already robbing the
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: family of the dignity to say goodbye to their loved ones,
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: and now you're gonna rob their teeth. There's a bowl
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: of gold teeth that he collected from all the skulls
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: that he like pull those teeth from.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: And why And then it's like if you're gonna and
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I'm sure we get to it in here, but we
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: can talk about it a little bit now, Like if
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have like steel gold teeth, why are you
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: not melting it down and like selling it?
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Why you want to? Yeah, like weird, it's weird. That's weird.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: So David and Johnny competed to see who could load
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: the most bodies in a chamber at one time.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: This is not a fun game.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Eventually, one of their burned sessions would yield nine fifty
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: gallon trash cans full of ash. That's a lot co
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Mingling their ashes is illegal, but David argued, you could
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: never get all the ashes from one body out of there,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: putting it like before you put in the next one.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: So mixing ashes together wasn't a big deal. And I mean,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: it's like I'm not gonna know. I'm not going to
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: be able to open an earn and be like this
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: is not Grandma. Yeah, like no one's gonna know, you know.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: So, and he leaned into that he I was, you know,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: I think it's an interview where he was just like
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: people are so sensitive. They're gone, they're no longer here.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Is like it doesn't matter they there were souls that
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: were here and loved ones want to respect their memory
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: and their legacy. And for you to say it doesn't
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: matter of bones or bones ashes their ashes, and it's
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: like you don't get to that. You don't get to
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: decide that.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: And so like you were talking about just a second ago,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Harvey looting. Even with the incredible cremation output that David
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: had achieved, he was still like leaving money on the
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: table literally until he started like just membering people.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: To get jewelry.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: And I know, I'm like, like he just said before,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: like what what's enough enough?
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: I he started looked like he brought it in like
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: one hundred and forty six thousand dollars right of the
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: math mathing and the first year and then by the
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: what is it? The second third year was bringing like
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: millions of dollars.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: It's like when is enough going to be enough?
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: And that's how you know he's just a scammer, you know,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: like he would get watches, bracelet and he had a
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: clothes hangar full of rings at the crematorium. One day
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: after work, his wife found him sitting on the floor
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: in the garage with a styrofoam cup with AU written
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: on it. And if you took your science classes, you
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: know what AU stands for. He was cracking teeth with
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: a hammer to get out the gold fillings and then
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: sweeping the teeth away.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: He called it poppin' chops. Oh, why do you have
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: a name for it? Not you you titled it. You
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: have to do this. I gotta pop them chops. Like, no,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: that doesn't make it more friendly. We imagine being his
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: wife coming home, It's like, honey, em, what's that is that?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: They're like, Mommy, where's dad? Like why doesn't he have
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: to eat dinner? And like your father's popping chops?
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Right, you know, yours popping chops and he doesn't like
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: to be doesn't like to be disturbed, Okay, and let's
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: so smile and have a wonderful dinner. Right.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: If you still want to go on that ski trip
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: to Aspen, you have to let your father work poppin' poppin' chops.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: So he made twenty thousand dollars a month from gold
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: fillings alone, according to his guys. As for feeling remorse,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: even nearly forty years later, with plenty of time to
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: reflect on it, he says dead people are just rotten meat,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: so he had no reservations about it. He was afraid
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: of getting caught, but not too afraid. He flew to
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Vegas once a month to gamble and drove a corvette
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: with the license plate I be are in the letter
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: for you, So if you haven't put that together yet,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: his license plate was I burn for you.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Wow, class act this guy, he's a.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Catch, Like I feel like I haven't seen like maybe
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: the only stunt queen mortician I know is like Phaedra Parks,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: But I feel like everyone else isn't.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Like I bear it your dead well, yes, but respectful.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I don't think she would ever do something like no,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying like that's the only famous person I
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: know who like you know, owns a you know, funeral
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: and clearly has been doing it very well for many
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: many years and not doing any weird shit like this.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: But other than that, I feel like the morticians just
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: kind of keep it low key. So it's like, why
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: would you put that as your vanity plate?
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Like that's so weird. Yeah, And also now going back
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: in saying I know what to do with that. You
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: literally have all these like things like your license, you're
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: if you're boasteing, you gave your teeth popping activities a name,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: you gave.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: It a little kitchy name. That's so weird. So getting caught.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Tim Waters of the Alpha Society in Burbank was also
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: a low cost cremation provider. But Tim couldn't compete with
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Dave's prices like David's prices, and so I think Tim
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: started to realize, like, if he's doing this correctly, there's
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: no way he could be this efficient. Like some is
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: up and so we have a picture of Tim and
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: this is too Tim. Tim definitely does give me like
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I'm here for business, yeah, but no, he also gives
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: me like the eyes like that are very empathetic, like
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: his whole face says, I'm sorry for your loss right now, Yes,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I'm resting.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: He has resting, I'm sorry for your lost face her time,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: and he's you know what he's gonna do.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: He's gonna grab your hand for a handshake, and then
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: he's gonna put his other hand on top.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Of that hand.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: He's like, I'm so sorry for your love. Yes, and
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: he tried to give you a little warmth, but not
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: too much.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna be smiling, you know, but he'll give
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: you a little just closed mouth smile like.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: We're gonna get through this together, Heather. Yeah, I'm Tim,
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: I hope Okay. Then what happened to Tim? So?
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Then Tim is like, I can't compete with this. And
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: the only way that David's business made since to Tim
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: was at an illegally high volume. He was like, there's
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: no way in hell you can do this many creations.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: It has to be a leader, yep. So in nineteen
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: eighty five, Tim started paying attention to David's operation and
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: spreading his suspicions around the funeral service community in La
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: So even more cheez man, Yes me too, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. For you having to take this phone
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: call at dinner. Yeah, see my smiles through the phone. Yeah, yeah,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: I gotta tell you about some shady stuff. So Tim
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: was about to publish an expos article in Mortuary Management magazine.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Y'all got a magazine.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: Subscribed to and they've asked me to leave Mayne.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: This is this May nineteen sixty five. Mortuary Management was popping.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: They're like, learn all the latest sit and homegoing.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, yes, do you want your loved one to have
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: an updu or down right?
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: The latest embalming dress fashion? Yes, funeral makeup for you
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: and yours.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: Just because their dead doesn't mean they have to look bad,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: right Okay.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: So Tim was about to publish this expose, a article
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: in Mortuary Management magazine about David's crimes. When David hired
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: his football player drivers to go rough him up along
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: with the publisher of the magazines.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: They said, we gotta beat everybody's ass.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: The publisher he's gonna be talking.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, So David made his hired thugs, big men unlimited
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: business cards and they beat the shit out of Tom
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: and the publisher.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: And now you're gonna leave like a card on me,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: like clean yourself up. And also Big Men Unlimited is crazy,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: so it's like you can take us out, but we
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: are unlimited in Big Mens.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Sounds like a dating site too.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, you like big boys boys Big Man Unlimited.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: We got one. You like them? Big the Men Unlimited Unlimited,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Big Man Unlimited. Yeah, big big Man Unlimited. I mean
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: it's all Bear's good load. Will you be the next
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Big Man Unlimited.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Oh so that's a funny card to just throw at people.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: So Tim went out to eat with David two months later,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: possibly to make amends, like hey, I did like David
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: was like, hey, my guy, I'm sorry I had to
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: send Big Man Unlimited to whoop your agg Come have
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: dinner with me.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, come after talk about it now, let's.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Bury the head.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Let's are you no? No? Not you? Yeah?
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: So they went out right. This is two months later,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: possibly to make amends, and later that evening Tim died
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: under mysterious circumstances, our sweet face Tim, damn.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: And and he's young, he's pretty young. He's younger though,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: are you know, suspect? And I'm also like, oh my goodness,
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: why do you keep doing that?
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: These are jump scary images of David, My goodness, he's
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: it's giving step giving so bad.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Like you gotta warn us. There were like.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: It's that, it's a clip from scary movie Attacks scary.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I mean you already sent the big man after Tim?
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Did you have to send him to the big House.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Of the Tim doesn't deserve that, look at Tim.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: So the cause of death at the time was ruled
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: a heart attack, but Tim had only been twenty four
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: years old, and many suspected David of poisoning him because
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: of course, you're like, let's go to dinner and then
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe Tim gets up to wash his hands
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: as he does, or have you.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Like, oh, sorry, you spilled wine in your lab. Oh
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: that's okay, I'm gonna wash it. Yeah, you go wash
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: it offuson. Hey, I'm back.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Oh you still got a little bit left?
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Oh I forgot my keys. I'll be back.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: How did you hear, folks? Anything else you can get
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: in old Okay that's poison right? No? No, no, okay,
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Oh right, I'll be back, sir. Why would you do.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: It?
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Takes a lot of strategy and also if you work
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: in this field, I think you have access to chemicals
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: things that could come across us under autopsy or anything
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: as that's normal. Sometimes that happens, you know what makes
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: the tests go.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Through exactly because they have to deal with you.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: If it's like a homicide or something, you know, yeah,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: you know what is not going to raise flags and
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: it'll just look like a heart attack.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: And so I would have never gone to that dinner.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know how great she just.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Had you beat up by goons.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Tim.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's a reconciliation. I think he was like,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I need to finish the job.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: That goes to show that. Tim sounds like a really
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: nice guy that was going to give someone like, you
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: know what, I'm going to give you a second chance
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: and put my hand.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: It's crazy after you get jumped by big Man unlimited.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, no, no no.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: And so by nineteen eighty six, David's business was firing
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: on all cylinders and Johnny was getting high a lot
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: to cope, so and I thought he might be coping.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: So one day Johnny got high and left.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, stop doing that.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: So one day Johnny got high and left while the
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: crematory was on, and the whole building burned down. David
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: no longer had a facility four cremations, but he kept
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: picking up bodies from all over the state.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: But you got nowhere to burn them?
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: No, he said, that ain't no problem. We got big lighters.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: I got like I got a grill. Okay, like you know,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: we don't know we got it. Don't know any worry
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: about that streeteart. So he said, one criminatorium liken to
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: stop no show, like I thought that it does.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I think it does stop the show. I think we
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: need to stop now. So oscar Ceramics.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: In January nineteen eighty seven, San Bernardino air quality authorities
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: started getting complaints about a business called oscar Ceramics in Hespiria.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: It was a large, unmasked warehouse in the middle of
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: the desert owned by a man named David Sconce.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: One neighbor just a queen keating.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: One neighbor had served in the military unit that liberated
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Auschwitz and reported the smell of burning human flesh, which
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: he recognized, and he reported that to authorities.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: He was like, he knew what it was, ynyspharia, And
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: there's nothing out there that's you know, you go out
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: there so no one finds you, right.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's also so triggering to like be free
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: and then you have a familiar smell we sent us
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: so deeply connected.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: To memory the trigger.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: And so David had built a warehouse size oven facility
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: and was burning two hundred bodies at a time.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: That is insanity. So Lauren, Jerriet, and David.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Were all later put on trial for dismembering people and
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: selling their parts without family consent. It turns out that
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: harvest and gold teeth and organs from cadavers without permission
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: of NEXTI Kin was actually a part of.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: The family business. So now they're also stealing people's organs.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. When when is it enough?
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Right? It's not enough for y'all. In nineteen eighty nine,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Scon's called guilty. He pled guilty to twenty one criminal counts,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: including mutilating dead bodies, holding mass cream like cremations, and
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: hiring hitmen, which were he was like, no, they're just
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: big men and limp, just big. Oh yeah, they'll give
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: you unlimited ass whoopings.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: But they're not men.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Unlimited big men unlimited Oh yeah, okay, but so he was.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: He ended up being sentenced to five years in prison
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: and then was sent back in twenty thirteen for viol
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: like violating his lifetime probation by having a firearm. He
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: was released on parole in twenty twenty three. Look sir,
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: we need you to be serious.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: You're so serious for one moment.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: His mom and Poppa were found guilty of unlawfully authorizing
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: the removal of organs from bodies before cremation, as well
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: as three counts of forging customer signatures on organ donor
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: and cremation authorization forms.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: They both served three years and eight months in prison.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Like, how are you just gonna sign my family member
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: is going to be cremated because you want them to?
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: And then what I buy a casket and then you
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: just like fill it with rocks and you're like a
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: closed casket as closed.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, locket, or you do the viewing and then go
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: we'll take care for it. Kill a couple of out,
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: dump out rocks, and then go to the.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, because that might be They're like, oh, we
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: actually got to get another car, Like this wheel is foul.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: Why do you need to take the casco?
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Don't worry about that. All bears are like wrestling with them.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: We will be right here.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: You go.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: It's heavier than before that happens. Sometimes they may get
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: the rock.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: That's for different.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: We need those.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: You know how people throw like pig the ro rocks
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: in the air and in their memory and it's like
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: harder to throw and it's more beautiful.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: Don't worry about it look out because.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: They Yeah, we don't want to work the birds like that.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so it's just a part of the rock.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: We care about the looking and.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we want you to be solid as the rocks
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: that you want to return it to in the earth.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: Do you feel us right? Okay?
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Anyways, yeah the rock. Oh, these people are bad.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is scary.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: You know that people were doing this type of thing
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: and then they also weren't ever satisfied.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: They just kept making it worse and worse.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: And wors You could have gone away with it, actually
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: and like people would have not known. But then you're like, no,
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: you know what, I'll get those teeth, you know what,
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: I'll get those organs, you know what I'll get. Body.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: You could do like fifteen people a day, whereas most
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: people can only do four, and then you could undercut
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: the market would do two hundred. Come on, come on,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: your whole family is bad like this is boo, but
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: thank you for walking with me, Harvey through this very
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: spooky story. We always asked at the end of our show,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: where would you like to be found any social media?
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Is anything that people can watch?
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: Obviously funeral Home, that's for sure.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, we don't want you to have there.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: You can find me on Instagram and on Twitter at
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Harvey Gien. Yeah, and you know, you never know, might
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: be doing a little spooky podcast show myself.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: So hear it, yes, coming through your walls big Man.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: The Unlimited part is scary because you don't know what
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: you're getting. You're like, is it sexual or is this like, oh,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: you'll find out. Just no, it goes on.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Choke trying to do that again. It was always good.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: If you want to see the photos and the business
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