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Postal worker/mom gunned down over a Chihuahua and a stimulus check · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: The postman they are the butt of a lot of jokes,
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Speaker 1: the butts of a lot of jokes. Post Men, post women,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not really sure why, but they are before
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Speaker 1: you ge. Do you remember on Cheers, Jackie, who was
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Speaker 1: the post Was it norm Cliff Cliff the Postman? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure why that is because we always
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Speaker 1: loved our postman. And before you ever make a joke
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Speaker 1: about a postman four postwoman again, I want you to
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Speaker 1: think about this woman, Angela Summers, the mother of a
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: join us. I've got an all star panel with me
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Speaker 1: to break this down and put it back together again,
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Speaker 1: because that's exactly how you build a case for trial.
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Speaker 1: With me, it's a renowned trial lawyer, Kathleen Murphy out
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Speaker 1: of North Carolina at NCAT Domestic Law dot com. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst to the Stars, joining me from Beverly Hills.
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Speaker 1: Of course, she's probably kicked back at the bell Air
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Speaker 1: right now. You can find her on instat at doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, Cloyd Steiger, catch This thirty six years Seattle
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Speaker 1: PD twenty two homicide author of Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer,
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Speaker 1: Gary Jane Grant, and he is at Cloyd Steiger dot com.
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon. Death investigator Joseph Scott morgun But right
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Speaker 1: now a Jrcrime online dot com investigative reporter Levi, Paige Levi,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at Fox at fifty nine. Courtney Crown. Paul Thom's, a
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Speaker 1: longtime mail carrier now union rep for the local branch
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Speaker 1: of the National Association of Letter Carriers, told us about
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Speaker 1: what he called ongoing issues at the house involving a small,
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Speaker 1: vicious dog. Yes, there was a history on this for
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Speaker 1: quite a while. The way I understand that dog letters
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Speaker 1: had been sent. That's a form to the patron when
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Speaker 1: the dog is a nuisance or a danger vicious. The
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Speaker 1: union rep confirms Summers gave the people living at the
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Speaker 1: home several warnings, which is the formal procedure before the
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Speaker 1: USPS stops mail. Service. I had no idea. It was
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Speaker 1: just complicated. I just thought of another postman that guests
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Speaker 1: made fun of. It's hilarious. Newman. Does anybody remember Newman
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Speaker 1: on Seinfeld show? Do you remember Newman? And wasn't there
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Speaker 1: a time where Newman got tired of delivering mail and
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Speaker 1: that he's just storing it all in his apartment? This lady, though,
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Speaker 1: it's nothing like the stereotip coal postman. And I had
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Speaker 1: no idea that there's actually a method, a series of
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Speaker 1: steps you take when the post I guess I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: call it the post person. The postman or postwoman delivers
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Speaker 1: the mail. And they have problems, constant problems with one
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Speaker 1: particular home. Out to you Leavi Page investigative reporter, Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com. What were the problems she was having,
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Speaker 1: Angela Summers with this one person, Tony cushing Berry, what's
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Speaker 1: the problem. So, Nancy Angela Summers is a postal worker
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Speaker 1: and there is this one home that she's she's a
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Speaker 1: delivery There's a lot of different postal workers. There's the
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Speaker 1: ones that stamps, there's the one that takes a bit
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Speaker 1: in the mailbox, she puts packages on front doors. She
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Speaker 1: does that and there's this one home where there is
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Speaker 1: an aggressive dog there that is very aggressive towards her.
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about a pit bull or a Doberman.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about a chaw I got to tell you something.
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Speaker 1: I go round and round with animal act advocate and
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Speaker 1: lawyer Penny Douglas fur about this because I'm always focusing
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Speaker 1: on pitbulls, Rottwilers, a couple of other types of dogs
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Speaker 1: that are always eating people. And she's constantly sending me
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Speaker 1: studies about which dogs bite the most. Did you know
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Speaker 1: chouahwas are right up there. And I know it sounds
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Speaker 1: may sound silly to a lot of people. Well, when
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Speaker 1: a dog, even a Chouahwa, sinks its teeth into your legs,
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Speaker 1: you can't shake them off. This is a lady mail
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Speaker 1: carrier and from what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong,
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Speaker 1: leave because you know the facts better than me. But
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Speaker 1: every time she would go there, the dog would try
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Speaker 1: to attack her. It would bark, incessantly, growl at her,
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Speaker 1: try to bite her. Sometimes the owner, the adults would
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Speaker 1: be in the yard, they just let it happen. Sometimes
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Speaker 1: there would be children in the yard, and they allegedly
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Speaker 1: would not only let it happen. They seemed to egg
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Speaker 1: it on, like, you know, provoke it almost what was
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Speaker 1: happening with her? Yes, this dog was barking at her,
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Speaker 1: biting at her, nipping at her, and it happened multiple times.
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Speaker 1: The owners of this property got multiple warnings to put
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Speaker 1: their dog up. They refused. It got so bad Nancy
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Speaker 1: that she actually had to take out her mace and
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Speaker 1: spray the dog with mace, and the owners got even
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Speaker 1: more angry with her. A woman started yelling at her,
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Speaker 1: calling her the B word. You know, this reminds me. Okay,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, do not judge my father. Don't do it,
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Speaker 1: because I'm gonna tell his story. Never told you this
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Speaker 1: story before, you know, Dad Matt Walter Malcolm Gray Senior
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Speaker 1: was a as he did, and he was just a dream,
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Speaker 1: good looking, smart, could dance best dad anyway. He was
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Speaker 1: a freight agent with Norfolk Southern Railroad and he had
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Speaker 1: to do a lot of different jobs. But one of
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Speaker 1: them was scared me to death. When I was a
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Speaker 1: little girl and we would go see him at work.
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Speaker 1: Trains would be going by, and sometimes he stood in
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Speaker 1: between two trains going different ways or same way, very
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Speaker 1: close and he would have their instructions like on telegraph
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Speaker 1: typed out on the top of a really long pole
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Speaker 1: with a metal catch at the end, and he would
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Speaker 1: stand between the trains and hold the pole up and
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Speaker 1: the trains would be going by, and believe it or not,
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Speaker 1: the engineer would grab the instructions and that would be
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Speaker 1: which track they were supposed to switch to. My dad
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Speaker 1: also would manually switch tracks with these giant levers in
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Speaker 1: the depot. Long story short, there was trouble at an
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Speaker 1: intersection and he went out on foot, went to this
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Speaker 1: intersection where cars cross to figure out, well, because if
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Speaker 1: the train bar didn't come down and the red lights
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Speaker 1: didn't come when, somebody could get killed. So my dad
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Speaker 1: is out there and the car a car came up
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Speaker 1: while he was out on the track at the intersection
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's wrong, and the car started
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Speaker 1: blowing the horn at him to move, and you know,
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Speaker 1: he's trying to save people's lives, and then the car
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Speaker 1: started edging up on him. Well, he had that stick
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Speaker 1: and he turned around and he whacked that car like
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many times. Hence he got the
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Speaker 1: name macnu Maniac. Believe me. The car turn around and
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Speaker 1: went the other way. But you know how much do
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Speaker 1: you have to push somebody who's just trying to do
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Speaker 1: their job? Are you hearing this? Can't they just bring
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Speaker 1: this chihuahua in when the male person comes. Okay, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you are bringing up something so important. I'm glad you
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Speaker 1: brought up your dad because I want to make a
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Speaker 1: similar point. Judge and Bethany Marshall out there on Ragdeo Drive.
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Speaker 1: Both charming and handsome. I met him at your book
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Speaker 1: signing years ago. A lovely man. But anyway, so, what
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Speaker 1: we need to know about our vote postal workers is
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Speaker 1: that they have become first responders, just like our healthcare workers.
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Speaker 1: They have become first responders without the training that first
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Speaker 1: responders get. And when you look at the literature on
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Speaker 1: training first responders people who go out in the middle
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Speaker 1: of a hurricane, a pandemic, after an earthquake, usually what
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Speaker 1: you see is that normal protocols, the normal protocols no
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Speaker 1: longer hold systems are overwhelmed and they needed to be
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Speaker 1: allowed or freed up to protect their own safety instead
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Speaker 1: of being mired in bureaucracy. First responders get trained to
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Speaker 1: do this. But she's a postal worker, and she's on
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Speaker 1: the front lines. She's one of these people that cannot
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Speaker 1: afford just to stay home in the middle of a pandemic.
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Speaker 1: She is supporting herself and her fourteen year old daughter.
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Speaker 1: She's engaged, so she's doing unsung hero's work. And this
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Speaker 1: chihuahua comes out. Now people may laugh because they're an
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Speaker 1: angry chihuahua, but chihuahua is can be quite aggressive, and
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Speaker 1: I think that chihuahua was carrying the aggression for the
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Speaker 1: entire family. I don't know a lot about. Okay, now
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Speaker 1: you're going a little out on the ledge there that
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Speaker 1: somehow the entire family's anger was, you know, capsualized in
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Speaker 1: the chihuahu. I will say that out harassing her if
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Speaker 1: they weren't also hating on her name. Okay, I've got
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Speaker 1: to say I agree with you Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about this mom, Angela Sommers, who's got a
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old daughter. When you hear the end of
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Speaker 1: this story, guys, it just breaks my heart. She's a postman,
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Speaker 1: a postal person. Take a listen to our Crime Online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Dave mac postal worker Angela Summers,
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Speaker 1: and resident Tony Cushionberry have had multiple run ins over
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Speaker 1: an aggressive chihuahua. In fact, in early April, a curtailment
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Speaker 1: of mail letter was sent to the family. According to
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Speaker 1: the National Association of Letter Carriers Branch thirty nine, President
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Speaker 1: Paul Thoms Tom says, when a dog is a nuisance
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Speaker 1: or a danger to the mail handler, residents are informed
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Speaker 1: through three letters. The first is a warning, then a
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Speaker 1: second warning is sent out after that is the curtailment
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Speaker 1: of mail letter. On this day, Cushionberry was waiting for
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Speaker 1: the delivery of his stimulus check. When Summers didn't deliver it,
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Speaker 1: the twenty one year old confronted the postal carrier on
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Speaker 1: a neighbor's porch, repeatedly asking for his mail. As a
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Speaker 1: confrontation escalated, Summers then sprayed him with mace. This woman
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Speaker 1: can't catch a break with Tony Cushionberry, mays, he is
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Speaker 1: just twenty one years old and in her mine. She
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Speaker 1: probably thought he was a young guy and he shouldn't
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Speaker 1: be talking to her that way, confronting her, and it
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Speaker 1: all goes to a stimulus check because of COVID nineteen
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Speaker 1: that he's been waiting on every single day. But we
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Speaker 1: can't blame it on the stimulus check or COVID because
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Speaker 1: this situation had been going on for a long time
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Speaker 1: and then it blows up. Take a less in five
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Speaker 1: to fifty nine. Courtney Crown Summer's Facebook page reveals her
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Speaker 1: concerns over the dog at this house. A post she
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Speaker 1: made on Saturday details threats from the house. She also
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Speaker 1: states she had a stimulus check for the person living there.
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Speaker 1: In the Union Rep thinks that led to this tragedy.
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Speaker 1: We want something like this to never never happen again.
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Speaker 1: It shouldn't happen. Summers did not request a route change,
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Speaker 1: but she would not have been contractually eligible to move
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Speaker 1: because she is a non career carrier, so she was
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Speaker 1: filling in, so there's no way she could have moved
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Speaker 1: routes even if she had wanted to. And again, to
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Speaker 1: go back to my dad, I remember when the railroad
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Speaker 1: at one joint when I was a little girl, they
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Speaker 1: were laying people off and my dad was just so
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Speaker 1: worried he wouldn't have a job, and he took what
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Speaker 1: they called a mobile route, which means one day he'd
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Speaker 1: drive a hundred miles to work in the morning. One day,
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Speaker 1: he'd drive forty miles. One day he'd drive all the
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Speaker 1: way to Savannah to work, which is, you know, like
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Speaker 1: a five hour drive one way to keep the job.
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Speaker 1: I can just imagine her. She needs this job, she
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Speaker 1: needs the benefits. She's got a fourteen year old daughter
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Speaker 1: to raise, so she put up with his idiot and
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Speaker 1: his dog. Take a listen to a little bit more
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Speaker 1: from Fox fifty nine. Courtney Crown police say they found
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Speaker 1: a woman suffering from a gunshot wound. Police report the
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Speaker 1: mail carrier was then taken to a local hospital. At
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Speaker 1: this time, they say it's still too early to tell
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Speaker 1: what happened before this crime. They're spending time talking with
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Speaker 1: those witnesses to try to get an idea exactly what
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Speaker 1: led up to this. Now, the good thing here is
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Speaker 1: police say that the witnesses that they're talking with, and
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Speaker 1: as you guys can imagine, happened around four o'clock in
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Speaker 1: the afternoon. A lot of people were out on their
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Speaker 1: front porches. All of these homes have nice front porches
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Speaker 1: out here. The good thing is those witnesses have been
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Speaker 1: cooperative with police. But because we still have a suspect
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Speaker 1: on the run. We're still looking for more information. I
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Speaker 1: am PD is asking you if you know anything, please
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Speaker 1: call the homicide Department, or you can always leave an
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Speaker 1: anonymous tip by calling crime stoppers. Well, she's talking about
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Speaker 1: the good thing out of all this. Yeah, that's digging
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Speaker 1: deep to find a silver lining on this one. So
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Speaker 1: to you Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Levi Page,
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Speaker 1: what do we think happened? So Nancy, she suspended mail
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Speaker 1: delivery to this home. They owners of that residence refused
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Speaker 1: to sign a waiver that they were going to keep
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Speaker 1: their chahuahua up, so they were angry that they weren't
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Speaker 1: getting mail. And twenty one year old Tony cushing Berry
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Speaker 1: Maze was wanting his stimulus check and when he saw
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Speaker 1: that she had passed by his home and went to
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Speaker 1: the neighbors and was dropping off a package on their
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Speaker 1: front door, he confronted her. He was very aggressive. So
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Speaker 1: Angela Summers, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Back it up for
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Speaker 1: me place. What did you say he saw? What about
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Speaker 1: the neighbor? He actually witnessed her passed by his home,
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Speaker 1: She got out of her vehicle and was dropping off
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Speaker 1: a package on his neighbor's front doorstep, and that is
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Speaker 1: when he confronted her about wanting her stimulus check. He was,
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Speaker 1: let me just write this down real quickly. By they're
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Speaker 1: saying she Angela Summers, the postal delivery carrier with a
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old daughter, and keeps saying that for a reason,
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Speaker 1: she had passed his house and she was at the
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Speaker 1: neighbor's house. Do I have that correct? Correct? Okay? So
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Speaker 1: he then Tony Cushingberry at May's twenty one years old,
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Speaker 1: goes to the neighbors and confronts her there, yes, and
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Speaker 1: is so aggressive that she has to take out mass
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Speaker 1: bringing hold on. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer, certainly
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Speaker 1: a courtroom veteran. Find it NC Domestic Law dot com.
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Speaker 1: These human relations that they just get all tangled up
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Speaker 1: and then it goes haywire over nothing. How hard is
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Speaker 1: it to put your dog inside until after the male
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Speaker 1: person comes? But Kathleen Murphy, you see where I'm going
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Speaker 1: with this. That he saw her go to the neighbor's house,
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Speaker 1: left his home armed, I assume, and goes over to
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Speaker 1: the neighbor. Why is that a very critical legal point?
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Speaker 1: When he goes over there, he is intentionally chasing her down.
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Speaker 1: He is intentionally confronting her, He is intentionally enraged at her,
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Speaker 1: and he intentionally has a gun with him, which leads
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Speaker 1: to that very clear murder charge. Whether federal or state,
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Speaker 1: he will clearly be charged not with second degree, not
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Speaker 1: with voluntary, not with self defense, but intentional murder. She's right,
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Speaker 1: she read my mind, because let's just say that Jackie
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Speaker 1: and I get into a big hair fight here in
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Speaker 1: the studio, so tired of her telling me when to
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Speaker 1: cut and go to commercial break, blah blah blah, and
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Speaker 1: I just go crazy and I get my imaginary gun
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Speaker 1: to just shoot her. Sorry, jack you're dead again. The
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Speaker 1: fact that I would have to get up from this desk,
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Speaker 1: get my gun, walk over to her and shoot her
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Speaker 1: under the law is premeditation. It's not why they were
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Speaker 1: having an argument over the dog, even any argument, and
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Speaker 1: then the heat of the moment he pulls the gun
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Speaker 1: and fires, it could arguably be voluntary manslaughter in that situation,
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Speaker 1: although the law says, and the time it takes you
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Speaker 1: look a gun to pull a trigger, you've got time
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Speaker 1: for premeditation. It does not have to be a long
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Speaker 1: drawn out plan such is poisoning. Someone over a period
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Speaker 1: of weeks or months, or lying in wait and attacking
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Speaker 1: them dressed in black ninja style. It can be just
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Speaker 1: like that time to form intent. But in this case,
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Speaker 1: as Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer accurately points out,
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Speaker 1: he pursues her. He leaves his home, walks to the neighbors,
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Speaker 1: and starts up with her. All right, right there, Levipace
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Speaker 1: jumped back in. What happens then? So she sprays him
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Speaker 1: with mace and he says that he has asthma, and
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Speaker 1: his asthma flared up, and he took out a gun
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Speaker 1: and shot her in the chests. Nancy, his asthma flared up. Okay,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, and Nancy, what is so sad? He took
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Speaker 1: off running? And what is so said is she was
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Speaker 1: on this front porch. She had been shot in the chest,
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Speaker 1: and people there ran out to check on her and
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Speaker 1: stay with her until the ambulance. Right and apparently she
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Speaker 1: was still talking to people, talking to emergency workers and
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Speaker 1: police officers when her lung collapsed and the neighbors were
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Speaker 1: worried about her. And as she was being stretched away
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Speaker 1: into the ambulance, she gave them a thumbs up. Hoping
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Speaker 1: to survive, but she did not survive. She later died
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Speaker 1: you just joining us, we're talking about a forty five
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Speaker 1: year old mom of a fourteen year old girl. That
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Speaker 1: means she had her daughter when she's just thirty one,
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Speaker 1: and she's gotten down on her postal route over a
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Speaker 1: dog a Chawawa. Dr Bethany Marshall, Psycho Allen's joining me
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Speaker 1: out to hills. It's often these tiny details that just
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Speaker 1: break my heart, like her giving the thumbs up as
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Speaker 1: they were taking her away in the ambulance and then
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the lung collapses. She dies. But
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Speaker 1: that moment where she's talking to everybody, going I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: be okay, you know, probably telling them to call her daughter,
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Speaker 1: gives the thumbs up. There's just something about that moment
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Speaker 1: that is just so just twist your heart, Nancy. It's
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Speaker 1: like the sublime and the vial. The sublime is her
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Speaker 1: giving the thumbs up, her thinking about her daughter, her
23:43
Speaker 1: not knowing that she's going to bleed out and die,
23:47
Speaker 1: and there's the vial. There's this young man who already
23:51
Speaker 1: had a gun in his belt, lying and wait for her.
23:55
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lightness and then there's the dark,
23:58
Speaker 1: and it's such a world of con trans Nancy. You know,
24:01
Speaker 1: when we're like in an accident or somebody gets shot
24:04
Speaker 1: or stabbed, I don't I don't know the medical aspect
24:07
Speaker 1: like Joe Scott Morgan does. But I do know the
24:09
Speaker 1: psychological that the person goes into a state of shock.
24:13
Speaker 1: She probably did not even completely know what had happened
24:17
Speaker 1: to her. She did not know the severity of her wounds.
24:22
Speaker 1: There's no way for the mind to take in that
24:25
Speaker 1: there's been a catastrophic wound to one's body. I was
24:29
Speaker 1: once in Las Vegas at a convention. Somebody was walking
24:33
Speaker 1: across the street. A car hit him. He rolled over
24:36
Speaker 1: the top, laid on the ground for a second, popped up,
24:40
Speaker 1: and just kept on walking for three more blocks and
24:42
Speaker 1: then collapsed. He did not know what had happened to him,
24:45
Speaker 1: and so obviously people came to his aid and an
24:47
Speaker 1: ambulance came. But she gave the thumbs up. She wanted
24:51
Speaker 1: to reassure other people that she was okay. She was
24:55
Speaker 1: full of hope, even in the face of hate. You know,
25:00
Speaker 1: circle back Cloyd Steiger to you and the ridiculous things
25:03
Speaker 1: that can trigger a murder. But I want to go
25:06
Speaker 1: to Joseph Scott Morgan, professor forensics, Jacksonville State University and
25:11
Speaker 1: author jose Scott help me prove this murder case. What
25:15
Speaker 1: can you tell me about the scene. Well, the scene
25:19
Speaker 1: is going to be obviously an outdoor area, and what
25:23
Speaker 1: will need to happen is when they're processing the scene,
25:27
Speaker 1: the first thing they need to do is if this
25:30
Speaker 1: is a semi automatic weapon, which means it ejects the
25:35
Speaker 1: spent casing out to the side. Since they're going to
25:38
Speaker 1: be absent a weapon, potentially in this case, they need
25:41
Speaker 1: to recover that spent case. In most people that fire
25:44
Speaker 1: weapons in the heat of a moment, particularly when it
25:47
Speaker 1: is a crime like this where pressures are up and
25:51
Speaker 1: everything else, they don't think to go and collect that brass.
25:54
Speaker 1: But that piece of spent brass that's at the scene
25:57
Speaker 1: is going to be a tie back, a specific tie
25:59
Speaker 1: back to that scene and to that weapon. And that's important.
26:05
Speaker 1: You're telling me. Not only will the bullet have identifiable
26:09
Speaker 1: as triation marks on it from hurling down the back
26:12
Speaker 1: the barrel, but the spent shell casing will also have
26:18
Speaker 1: those markings on it as well. Those are called those
26:22
Speaker 1: are called extractor marks, Nancy, because it's almost if people
26:26
Speaker 1: at home will just imagine it's like a tiny, tiny
26:29
Speaker 1: little metal claw inside of the weapon that grabs that
26:33
Speaker 1: spent casing and ejects out of the side. And because
26:36
Speaker 1: these casings are typically brass. It leaves very distinctive markings
26:40
Speaker 1: that can be matched back to that weapon. That's why
26:44
Speaker 1: we have That's why when you see us out on
26:46
Speaker 1: scenes and we're down on our hands and in our
26:48
Speaker 1: knees and we're photographing and all that stuff, we have
26:51
Speaker 1: to be very careful because every little tiny element plays
26:56
Speaker 1: a huge part. You know. What's what's interesting is that
27:01
Speaker 1: people know, I guess from TV, that bullets can match
27:06
Speaker 1: up like a fingerprint to a particular gun. And we
27:11
Speaker 1: know about the data bank. Much like the DNA data
27:16
Speaker 1: bank and the fingerprint data bank APHOS, there's also a
27:20
Speaker 1: fire arms a data bank. A lot of people don't
27:24
Speaker 1: know that a shell casing can also be matched up
27:28
Speaker 1: to a particular weapon. I believe it's harder to do
27:31
Speaker 1: that than it is with the bullet, but it can
27:35
Speaker 1: absolutely be done. I'm just listening to what you're saying.
27:40
Speaker 1: Another thing I'm thinking about is this guy claims that
27:43
Speaker 1: he has asthma, and therefore he had to fire his weapon.
27:47
Speaker 1: If you have asthma, seriously have asthma, you're really not
27:51
Speaker 1: even supposed to have a dog. You're not. And that's
27:56
Speaker 1: the deal. Because I have asthma. I have a dog,
27:58
Speaker 1: a cat, and two guinea pigs. But my asthma's not serious.
28:02
Speaker 1: So if his asthma's so serious, he's got to kill
28:05
Speaker 1: over it. But he has a dog. That's a whole
28:08
Speaker 1: nother line of argument for the prosecution. Guys were talking
28:12
Speaker 1: about the death of a mom, Angela Summers on her route.
28:18
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Fox fifty nine Aaron Knstrelle. The
28:24
Speaker 1: United States Postal Service confirms Summers was working at the
28:27
Speaker 1: time of the shooting. It doesn't make sense, you know.
28:31
Speaker 1: Ribbons have been showing up all around this east Side
28:33
Speaker 1: community to honor Summers. In her life, she loved people.
28:37
Speaker 1: She loved her the people on her route. She worried
28:40
Speaker 1: about the older people on her out during this time.
28:42
Speaker 1: She always carried treats and she would, you know, give
28:46
Speaker 1: the dogs treats on her route. Lissa wants people to
28:48
Speaker 1: remember mail carriers are human and says they should be
28:51
Speaker 1: treated with respect. Nobody deserves this, you know, but she
28:55
Speaker 1: definitely didn't deserve this. Did you hear that she would
28:59
Speaker 1: carry treat for dogs on her route and would check on,
29:04
Speaker 1: how's your mother or how's your grandmother? Who's that jumping in.
29:07
Speaker 1: Is that doctor Bethany or Kathleen. Kathleen, Kathleen, I have
29:12
Speaker 1: thank you. I just wanted to let everybody know that
29:15
Speaker 1: I was looking at Angela's Summer's family and I was
29:19
Speaker 1: looking at her gofund to me page, and she has
29:21
Speaker 1: that daughter who's fourteen, and we have young teens together,
29:25
Speaker 1: you and I and hey, I'm still twelve. Okay, just
29:30
Speaker 1: you wait. It is bad to me that this child
29:33
Speaker 1: will not have a supporting parent, a dual income household.
29:38
Speaker 1: And I just wanted to let everybody know that there
29:41
Speaker 1: is a way to help this family. You know what
29:43
Speaker 1: to you leave my page? I want to get that
29:47
Speaker 1: go fund me exactly what it is, what it says
29:50
Speaker 1: it is. I'm just thinking about the dichotomy of what
29:52
Speaker 1: happened to her. Chloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle PD,
29:56
Speaker 1: twenty two years homicide and author Seattle's Forgotten se Real
30:00
Speaker 1: Killer Gary Jane Grant at Cloyd Steiger dot com. Cloyd,
30:03
Speaker 1: you know you've seen it all. What do you make
30:07
Speaker 1: of this shooting down a lady mail deliverer on her
30:14
Speaker 1: job because you won't put your dog away? Well, yeah,
30:18
Speaker 1: that's the nameness of these kinds of murders. I mean,
30:22
Speaker 1: there were several options. He could have put his dog away.
30:24
Speaker 1: He could have put a mailbox out by the street,
30:26
Speaker 1: just one of those routes where she has to actually
30:28
Speaker 1: go up and put the mail to the slot. So
30:31
Speaker 1: he could have gone to the post office and got
30:33
Speaker 1: his mail or got a peel box. But he couldn't
30:35
Speaker 1: be bothered with that because he just wanted, you know,
30:37
Speaker 1: you have to act my way. He was in such
30:39
Speaker 1: a rage that he actually, like you said before, when
30:42
Speaker 1: he went over to the neighbor's house, he brought a
30:44
Speaker 1: gun with him, right, What was the attention to that gun?
30:46
Speaker 1: And then his excuse says, well, my ads left player up,
30:49
Speaker 1: and the time it takes to get sprayed to pull
30:52
Speaker 1: out a gun and shoot somebody, your aswa doesn't have
30:54
Speaker 1: time to play up. That's just a simple excuse. He's
30:58
Speaker 1: just looking for conversation and he found it. He was mad,
31:01
Speaker 1: he had no in bulk control, and a terrible tragedy happened.
31:18
Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a
31:23
Speaker 1: guy named Tony cushing Berry who allegedly guns down a
31:28
Speaker 1: lady mail deliverer because she wouldn't give him a stimul's
31:33
Speaker 1: check after numerous compliance that his dog would try to
31:37
Speaker 1: attack her. Now, isn't it just tell me what the
31:41
Speaker 1: charges are right now? Levi? So, Nancy, he is charged
31:45
Speaker 1: with second degree murder. He is charged with assault on
31:50
Speaker 1: a federal employee. You know, here's the deal. I'm not
31:53
Speaker 1: saying that a federal employee's life is worth more than
31:57
Speaker 1: anybody else's life. But when you shot a cop, or
32:01
Speaker 1: you shoot the president, or you shoot opposed to worker,
32:05
Speaker 1: you're not just killing somebody. You are attacking a symbol
32:10
Speaker 1: of the United States. That's the deal, and there is
32:14
Speaker 1: a yeah, there's an enhanced penalty on that. He can
32:19
Speaker 1: get life behind bars. The reality is that we can
32:25
Speaker 1: easily prove he knee she was a federal postal worker
32:28
Speaker 1: because they had been having so many arguments about delivering
32:31
Speaker 1: the mail. Was that Kathleen jumping in or Beth Bethany
32:34
Speaker 1: jump in? Doctor Bethany. I understanding is he had ten
32:38
Speaker 1: weapons a young man in his early twenties. And it's
32:42
Speaker 1: important too for the public to know that there are
32:44
Speaker 1: risk factors for violence, and one is owning numerous firearms,
32:49
Speaker 1: a history of violence, substance abuse, impulse control. And this
32:54
Speaker 1: young man, I think was living with his family, and
32:57
Speaker 1: you know, you have a mother to a boy. A
32:59
Speaker 1: very important part of parenting young people, especially men, is
33:04
Speaker 1: to unlink violence from social interaction, because some boys do
33:10
Speaker 1: have greater amounts of aggression. They like to like kick
33:13
Speaker 1: rocks or maybe punch or hit. And there's so many
33:16
Speaker 1: socializing experiences where the mother teaches the young man to
33:20
Speaker 1: tame the aggression and instead to love and be kind
33:23
Speaker 1: and to be grateful. And I just wonder what was
33:26
Speaker 1: going on in this household that violence overran any sense
33:30
Speaker 1: of human decency. It's like again, like I was talking
33:33
Speaker 1: about an earlier segment, like an animal, somebody you're familiar
33:37
Speaker 1: with Sigmund Freud. Doesn't he say that by age four,
33:41
Speaker 1: your personality is set. It's it's over, you know what.
33:45
Speaker 1: Actually it's true. By age three, all of our defenses
33:49
Speaker 1: are coping styles. What we do to respond to stress
33:53
Speaker 1: and anxiety is set by things. I'm setting you up, Bethany.
33:56
Speaker 1: I'm setting you up because here's the client. This guy's
34:00
Speaker 1: twenty one. However, he's not a boy, he's a grown man.
34:06
Speaker 1: It's too late for mommy, for mama, to come in
34:09
Speaker 1: and train him. That's over with. According to Freud, I
34:13
Speaker 1: say four, you say three, It's done. This is who
34:17
Speaker 1: he is. Don't start dragging the mother. Doctor Bethany Ken
34:21
Speaker 1: A child's later socialization experiences in the family can at
34:26
Speaker 1: least ameliorate or override certain tendencies like aggression. And I
34:31
Speaker 1: do again, wonder what was happening in that hole? I mean,
34:33
Speaker 1: where did he hold these ten firearms? What did his
34:36
Speaker 1: family think? Why did they think he needed those? Take
34:39
Speaker 1: a listen to a tiny bit of what this woman,
34:42
Speaker 1: Angela Summers, went through. Take a listen to our friends
34:45
Speaker 1: at WISH TV eight. This is Sierra Hickneity. Just days
34:49
Speaker 1: before Summers was killed, she took to Facebook to voice
34:53
Speaker 1: some of her concerns she was having along her route.
34:56
Speaker 1: She talks about a house that has an aggressive dog.
34:59
Speaker 1: The people living in home we're upset because their mail
35:01
Speaker 1: had been withheld because they had not signed and returned
35:04
Speaker 1: the dog warning card that had been delivered, which is
35:07
Speaker 1: standard protocol. And in the post, just a couple of
35:11
Speaker 1: days before her death, she says there was a large
35:13
Speaker 1: group of people gathered on a porch. One woman yelled
35:16
Speaker 1: to her, making multiple threats, including one to mace her,
35:19
Speaker 1: physically harm her, and letting a dog loose to attack her.
35:23
Speaker 1: According to the Post, the woman demanded that Summers deliver
35:26
Speaker 1: her mail. It's not clear yet if the same home
35:29
Speaker 1: that Summers is referring to in her post is the
35:32
Speaker 1: home on North Denny Street where shots were fired on Monday,
35:36
Speaker 1: threatening to mace her, to attack her, or let the
35:39
Speaker 1: dog loose and bite her if she did not deliver
35:42
Speaker 1: the mail. And this is not just driving by in
35:45
Speaker 1: your car where they the post postman is on the
35:47
Speaker 1: wrong side of the car so he she can put
35:51
Speaker 1: the letter in your mailbox. As Joe Scott or Leavi
35:55
Speaker 1: Page accurately pointed out, this was a home where you
35:57
Speaker 1: had to walk up the yard, up the steps and
36:01
Speaker 1: put the mail in a box beside the door. Is
36:05
Speaker 1: our understanding. And then all these people congregated on the porch,
36:09
Speaker 1: yelling at her and threatening her. Of course she didn't
36:12
Speaker 1: go deliver the mail. Take a listen to Fox fifty
36:15
Speaker 1: nine Jesse Wells. While doing her job delivering mail in
36:19
Speaker 1: this East Side neighborhood on Monday, forty five year old
36:23
Speaker 1: Angela Summers was shot in the chest and died at
36:26
Speaker 1: the hospital. It's real hard. Of course, It's never happened
36:31
Speaker 1: to us before. Reverend Michael Davis, Pastorate, Unity of Indianapolis
36:35
Speaker 1: says Angela served as a board member for the church
36:38
Speaker 1: and remembers her outgoing and outspoken personality. Angela was quick
36:47
Speaker 1: with a laugh. Also, she was quick with her opinion.
36:51
Speaker 1: You never questioned what Angela was thinking, because she would
36:55
Speaker 1: let you know. And now too. Jesse Wells again Fox
36:58
Speaker 1: fifty nine, what do we know about cushing Berry? The
37:02
Speaker 1: agency confirmed on Wednesday that twenty one year old Tony
37:06
Speaker 1: cushing Berry is accused of the murder. It doesn't stop
37:09
Speaker 1: the tears. It actually brought on some more today, just
37:13
Speaker 1: because because of the relief of knowing that this isn't
37:18
Speaker 1: going to have to go on and on and on
37:19
Speaker 1: and on. There there can be some closure. Angela leaves
37:23
Speaker 1: behind a teenage daughter and a community trying to make
37:27
Speaker 1: sense of the violence of everything. Her daughter was first,
37:34
Speaker 1: and that's why she worked hard. To have somebody so
37:36
Speaker 1: integral in your community. UM, to have their life taken
37:40
Speaker 1: so quickly and so violently, UM, it's hard to take
37:47
Speaker 1: that end. It's hard to understand that finally, the US
37:50
Speaker 1: Attorney's office is reviewing the case because killing a federal
37:53
Speaker 1: employee on duty is a federal offense that could carry
37:57
Speaker 1: a life sentence. A life sentence, Why should this guy
38:01
Speaker 1: get anything but a life sentence. We see it over
38:05
Speaker 1: and over again, how small things in daily living end
38:10
Speaker 1: up in murder at a time when COVID nineteen is
38:15
Speaker 1: hanging over all of us, we're in lockdown, we're in
38:20
Speaker 1: sheltering in place, we're isolating. Why couldn't they just show
38:26
Speaker 1: this woman a tiny bit of kindness. I don't understand it.
38:32
Speaker 1: I want to go to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
38:36
Speaker 1: Jacksonville State. You've been on so many death scenes. They're
38:42
Speaker 1: very rarely some long planned event, meticulously carefully orchestrated. They're
38:50
Speaker 1: more often just like this, Joe Scott, Yeah, they are,
38:54
Speaker 1: and that's you know, the long orchestrated thing is the
38:57
Speaker 1: stuff of Hollywood, Nancy, and I can just say it
39:01
Speaker 1: most people, most of these events are reactionary. In this
39:04
Speaker 1: particular case, we got an ongoing history with this. But
39:07
Speaker 1: it's not like this guy planned out, you know, he
39:10
Speaker 1: just he showed up with violence in his heart and
39:12
Speaker 1: in his mind, and he wrecked this woman's life and
39:15
Speaker 1: wrecked her child's life. And let me tell you a
39:18
Speaker 1: little bit about what she went through. You know, they
39:20
Speaker 1: talked about how she gave the thumbs up. You know,
39:23
Speaker 1: we're going back then, and you know, when she's being
39:25
Speaker 1: carried away by the ambulance crew, she took her round.
39:29
Speaker 1: She took this bullet through her lungs. And at the
39:31
Speaker 1: moment that that occurred, she probably doesn't have an awareness
39:35
Speaker 1: of how serious this is. But all the while, and
39:38
Speaker 1: this goes to the horror of this, all the while,
39:41
Speaker 1: her plural cavity, which is the area actually where the
39:45
Speaker 1: lung is seated, there's a space in there. That lung
39:49
Speaker 1: has got a hole in it, and out of that
39:51
Speaker 1: hole is pumping blood and it's filling up in that
39:55
Speaker 1: plural space. And as that plural space gets filled with blood,
39:59
Speaker 1: she is slow, slowly literally suffocating on her own blood.
40:04
Speaker 1: That means that her lunk can no longer expand she
40:07
Speaker 1: can't take air in. And when she does, I would
40:09
Speaker 1: suspect that she was probably spitting up blood at some
40:12
Speaker 1: point in tom And it's almost like she's drowning, drowning
40:15
Speaker 1: for what a stupid dog, A dog mind you that
40:21
Speaker 1: had this person had been asked to clear this up. No,
40:24
Speaker 1: he lives in the house with mommy. He's got ten weapons.
40:27
Speaker 1: I was looking at a photo oven. He's got enough
40:29
Speaker 1: time to get ink splashed all over his neck with
40:33
Speaker 1: these detailed tattoos, tattoo on his face, you know, and
40:37
Speaker 1: you're waiting on a check. He's just a little prince
40:40
Speaker 1: at me. And this woman who's trying to do her job,
40:44
Speaker 1: which is a very hard job, literally drowns death on
40:48
Speaker 1: her own blood. And it's just absolutely horrific. Listen to this.
40:54
Speaker 1: The woman a Langa Salazar, who lived next to her,
40:58
Speaker 1: says she heard a loud noise by a knock on
41:00
Speaker 1: the door. When she opened it, she found Miss Summers
41:04
Speaker 1: on the porch, surrounded by blood, undelivered mail, a can
41:09
Speaker 1: of pepper spray. She tried to comfort Miss Summers, who
41:12
Speaker 1: said she was hyperventilating while they waited for paramedics. The
41:17
Speaker 1: reality is she was dying in the last hours. I've
41:22
Speaker 1: learned that funeral services for Angela have been announced. Listen
41:28
Speaker 1: to this. Because of COVID nineteen, the service is going
41:30
Speaker 1: to be a tent drive through. Families and friends have
41:35
Speaker 1: to stay in their cars and drive by to pay respects.
41:43
Speaker 1: I just think about this daughter, this fourteen year old girl,
41:47
Speaker 1: and this mother who kept this route full of problems
41:54
Speaker 1: because based on her position with Postal, she couldn't transfer routes,
42:00
Speaker 1: so she was stuck with it to make a living.
42:04
Speaker 1: And when even carried treats for dogs. Rest in peace
42:09
Speaker 1: and God please be with her little girl. We wait
42:13
Speaker 1: as just as unfalls. Nancy Gray's crime Story, signing off
42:17
Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,