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Mac & Bone Show - Brentson Buckner Interview · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Here he is, our next guest. This is an emergency appearance.
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  Speaker 2: We like to let our guests breathe, Boney, and not
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  Speaker 2: harass them one week after they came on the show.
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  Speaker 1: This was a Code Red situation.
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  Speaker 3: 100%.
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  Speaker 2: There's a Panthers defensive emergency, and a man that you
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  Speaker 2: know as a Panther fan that was a member of
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  Speaker 2: great defenses with the Carolina Panthers, including the 0-3 Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl team. is here to try to help us address
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  Speaker 2: the 59-point defensive emergency. He is the great Brenton Buckner.
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  Speaker 2: Make sure you're speaking to podcasts, the Buck Naked Truth.
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  Speaker 2: Make sure you search for his podcast and.
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  Speaker 1: Give it a listen. Buck, what's going on, man? How
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  Speaker 1: you doing?
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  Speaker 4: How you guys doing today?
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  Speaker 1: Buck, we need your help. We need your help, man.
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  Speaker 1: All right. We actually may need you to... Put your
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  Speaker 1: jersey back on again.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to break. We got to break it
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  Speaker 1: to you.
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  Speaker 2: Dan Morgan wanted us to call you and say your
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  Speaker 2: service is near. So what was, when you watched the
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  Speaker 2: game on Sunday and saw them put up 59 points,
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  Speaker 2: and as you're watching the game, what are the one
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  Speaker 2: or two or three things that really stuck out to
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  Speaker 2: you like, man, that was bad? Like what was the
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  Speaker 2: worst parts of that other than the 59 points?
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  Speaker 4: First of all, let me put this out here. We
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  Speaker 4: know it was a bad performance, so I'm not making
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  Speaker 4: excuses for any of that. We all saw it was
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  Speaker 4: a bad performance. The thing that I saw that you
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  Speaker 4: really don't understand is communication. You know, you look at
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  Speaker 4: this defense. Yes, we put together early in the preseason,
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  Speaker 4: in the offseason rather, but then you add a brand
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  Speaker 4: new middle linebacker after preseason games were over with, after
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  Speaker 4: two-a-days were over with. And you got a lot of
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  Speaker 4: young guys playing. And this group really did not play
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  Speaker 4: together in the preseason. People don't understand communications between defenses
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  Speaker 4: just as important as it is for offense. Or getting
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  Speaker 4: a feel for one another. You know, a linebacker knowing that, hey,
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  Speaker 4: my partner might not steal this to me. He might
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  Speaker 4: box it back, let me slow down. Or a defensive back,
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  Speaker 4: he might not get the full communication out, but his
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  Speaker 4: partner should know, all right, we're going to change the
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  Speaker 4: coverage and we're going to rock this way.
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  Speaker 3: And what I saw was, a team that hadn't gelled
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  Speaker 3: together defensively.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I cannot make excuses. I did see a lot
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  Speaker 4: of missed tackles and a lot of missed fits. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm a coach that always believes tackling is they want to.
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  Speaker 4: You can't go do drills. Well, you can go do them,
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  Speaker 4: but you can't teach a person how to stick his
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  Speaker 4: face in the fan. He got to want to get
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  Speaker 4: that person on the ground by any means necessary. And
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  Speaker 4: then you couple that with an offense ran by Ben
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  Speaker 4: Johnson is one of the most complicated offenses in the NFL.
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  Speaker 5: It was a recipe for Yeah, it certainly was. But again,
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  Speaker 5: a lot of times we as the guys that didn't
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  Speaker 5: play the game as media or fans, we use the
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  Speaker 5: term halftime adjustments a lot or adjustments, you know, within
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  Speaker 5: the game. But specifically at halftime, is that something that
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  Speaker 5: really goes on or is that overblown? And there's not
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  Speaker 5: as much adjustments as halftime as we like to believe
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  Speaker 5: there is.
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  Speaker 4: It's really overblown. You know, because halftime, once they get
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  Speaker 4: something to drink, get something to snack on, and you
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  Speaker 4: get them all together out of the bathroom, then it's like,
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  Speaker 4: all right, this is what they hit us with. This
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  Speaker 4: is what we got to be prepared for. Hey, run
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  Speaker 4: what we run. Just run a little bit better. Look
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  Speaker 4: out for this. No, you're not going in there putting
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  Speaker 4: in a whole new defense. You're not going in there
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  Speaker 4: retwerking everything. You're just telling the guys, look, this is
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  Speaker 4: what's going on. The coaches in the booth are telling you, hey,
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  Speaker 4: we didn't fit this run right. Or when they get
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  Speaker 4: in this formation. look for this pass play. So it
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  Speaker 4: gets overblown when they say halftime adjustment. Halftime is another
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  Speaker 4: way to catch your breath and just tell the guys
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  Speaker 4: what we saw on film, they are not lying to us.
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  Speaker 4: Believe what you saw. But at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: You got to go out there and your Jimmy's and
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  Speaker 4: Joe's got to be better than theirs and got to
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  Speaker 4: whoop theirs. And that didn't happen on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: Was the run game like, let's, we'll talk about dealing
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  Speaker 2: with Caleb Williams and those issues in a second, but
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  Speaker 2: the run game, right? Each back goes for over a
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  Speaker 2: hundred yards. But none guy had the big 61 yarder.
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  Speaker 2: Was that, did you think that was more like, like
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  Speaker 2: of them moving people and guys not being able to
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  Speaker 2: get off blocks um or did you think there were
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  Speaker 2: missed tackles what what was the run issue you saw.
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  Speaker 4: I thought that was them moving people yeah you know
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  Speaker 4: especially on that uh 61 yard run i believe they
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  Speaker 4: moved people and the guys that were free to make
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  Speaker 4: the tackle the guys that was getting moved got in
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  Speaker 4: their way But I'm still not going to make an excuse.
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  Speaker 4: You still got to find a way to get him
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  Speaker 4: on the ground. Now, we used to always say defend
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  Speaker 4: every blade of grass. If you got to trip him
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  Speaker 4: at the one-inch line, get him on the ground so
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  Speaker 4: we can line up and we can play again. And
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  Speaker 4: what began to happen was you get punched in the
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  Speaker 4: mouth over and over again, and they have a success
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  Speaker 4: with the run. I thought guys started to panic. And
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  Speaker 4: they started looking to make tackles rather than play the defense. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 4: let me knock you back. Let me get my gap.
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  Speaker 4: Let me hold my gap. Let me trust my guy
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  Speaker 4: is going to be who he's supposed to be, and
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  Speaker 4: let's converge and make the tackle. You start seeing guys
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  Speaker 4: start to panic and start to try to make plays
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  Speaker 4: by themselves, and it breaks down the fabric of the defense.
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  Speaker 5: Buck, how much tougher is it now? Overall football, I
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  Speaker 5: know offense too, but to be a defensive player in
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  Speaker 5: week one, how tough is it now with the limited
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  Speaker 5: hitting in camp, the lack of preseason games? How tough
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  Speaker 5: is it now, especially when your first game, as you said,
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  Speaker 5: is against the Ben Johnson offense to really get after
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  Speaker 5: it like you normally would as the season goes along?
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  Speaker 4: Watching games this weekend, I made a statement that this
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  Speaker 4: is the first time in a long time that I
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  Speaker 4: saw offenses were ahead of defenses during the first regular
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  Speaker 4: season game. I've never seen it before like this. But
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  Speaker 4: it's really hard because you take the physicality out of football.
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  Speaker 4: You can't thud up. Well, they'll say thud up in practice,
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  Speaker 4: but as soon as that running back gets thudded up
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  Speaker 4: and he falls on the ground, head coach is having
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  Speaker 4: a fit.
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  Speaker 3: I got fired by Bruce Aarons about four times during
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  Speaker 3: training camp because we were thudding.
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  Speaker 4: And the running back would go to the ground and
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  Speaker 4: he would have a fit. So you take that tackling
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  Speaker 4: part out of it, that thud, that wrap up out
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  Speaker 4: of it, and then you don't play in the preseason games.
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  Speaker 4: You don't tackle during preseason. But then you're going to
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  Speaker 4: go tell these guys, now let's go 100 miles per hour. No,
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  Speaker 4: tasseling is something you've got to get your body course to.
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  Speaker 4: And it's not so much as the hitting, it's the
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  Speaker 4: willingness to fall on the ground. That hurts just as
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  Speaker 4: much as hitting somebody. And when you're not used to
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  Speaker 4: doing it for two months, where for the whole offseason
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  Speaker 4: you've been tagging off or you've just been wrapping up,
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  Speaker 4: letting go, well, you do what you normally practice. And
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  Speaker 4: so now this year, more than ever, I see it
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  Speaker 4: with a whole bunch of defenses. Just don't think Carolina struck.
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  Speaker 4: We thought Houston– Texas defense is going to be.
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  Speaker 1: The 85 Bears.
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  Speaker 4: The Denver Broncos defense got ran through. So you're seeing
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  Speaker 4: it all over the league.
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  Speaker 2: Let's cut to the chase here because I know fans
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  Speaker 2: are thinking, Mac, you got to ask him about Averro
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  Speaker 2: and his scheme. I'm sure you hear it, Buck. Averro
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  Speaker 2: is a hot button name. There are Panther fans that
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  Speaker 2: don't like a lot of his stuff schematically, right? Soft
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  Speaker 2: zones or, hey, we're giving cushions with the corners and
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  Speaker 2: it's third and four or something like that. And then
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  Speaker 2: they see a game like this. And I think they just, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's got to be Averro, man. Why is he still here?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think about Averro's defensive scheme? And do
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  Speaker 2: you have issues with it?
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  Speaker 1: Do you like it?
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  Speaker 2: What would you say to the fans that really blame
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  Speaker 2: Averro for these defensive issues?
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  Speaker 4: Hey, man, schemes, you can have great schemes and have
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  Speaker 4: a horrible day from your players and you look bad.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's not the scheme. Now, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: this is a coach and me speaking. Everybody wants to
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  Speaker 4: say fire the coach, fire the coach. Let me tell you,
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  Speaker 4: when coaches are sitting up there, defensive coaches are sitting
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  Speaker 4: there watching film, when everybody's in the bed and they're
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  Speaker 4: hugging their wife and they're eating potato chips and ice cream,
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  Speaker 4: every defense that's drawn up is meant to stop every
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  Speaker 4: play on paper. Now, When you get into the game
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  Speaker 4: and those X's and O's start to move, there's so
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  Speaker 4: many variables that go into it. Miscommunication, misfit, mistackle, somebody loafing,
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  Speaker 4: somebody over-pursuing. So Rivera, you know, Rivera, he's.
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  Speaker 3: Not a horrible defensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 4: They had a bad day. He's not the first defensive
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  Speaker 4: coordinator that's going to have a bad day. You weren't
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  Speaker 4: saying that last year when it was– When they was
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  Speaker 4: winning games, they were balling defensively toward the end of
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  Speaker 4: the year, and it was the same guy. That's why
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  Speaker 4: I don't like the point of the finger. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 4: was bad. The coaches would tell you, hey, man, we
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  Speaker 4: got to get better. The players would tell you, we
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  Speaker 4: got to get better. So it's a group effort in this.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm a fan of his. You know, if he
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  Speaker 4: playing off and they're stopping people, oh, my God, it
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  Speaker 4: was great. He didn't let them get behind him. Now
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  Speaker 4: they lose the game, so everything you do is under
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  Speaker 4: the microscope. Bruce Aarons used to say this. The same
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  Speaker 4: thing they hire you and love you for, the same
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  Speaker 4: thing they're going to boo you and fire you for
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  Speaker 4: one day.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that makes a lot of sense. It does.
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  Speaker 2: Talk to us about the idea. This is Avero's mentor,
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  Speaker 2: certainly one of them, is Vic Fangio. Oh, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: the Vic Fangio scheme with Philly– Two years ago, won
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  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl and was the No.
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  Speaker 1: 1 ranked defense in the NFL. I just want to
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  Speaker 1: point that out.
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  Speaker 2: But, like, the Vic Fangio scheme is built on right buck,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the umbrella coverage, let's keep everything in front. Now, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't do that the other day, and it was ugly. But, like,
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  Speaker 2: what do you– do you like– because some people will say,
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  Speaker 2: I don't, you know, I don't like– Some people say,
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  Speaker 2: I don't like the three, four others will say, I
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  Speaker 2: just think it's, it's too conservative. Like, what do you
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  Speaker 2: think as a defensive guy about that scheme, that, that,
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  Speaker 2: that mindset?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Just said, Big Tango just won the Super Bowl with it.
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  Speaker 4: But look at the players he had. Then he went
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  Speaker 4: to Miami and they ran him out of town because
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  Speaker 4: they didn't like it. You know, and there's a misnomer
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  Speaker 4: out here about the 3-4. The 3-4 is the most
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  Speaker 4: successful defense in the history of the NFL. Let's not
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  Speaker 4: get that twisted now. Baltimore Ravens, 3-4. New England ran
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  Speaker 4: a 3-4. Denver Broncos, both of their Super Bowls, a 3-4.
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  Speaker 4: You know what the Steelers have done with the 3-4.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's a great defense, but all defenses struggle.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Tampa Bay won a Super Bowl with Bruce
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  Speaker 4: Aarons running the 3-4 defense. A lot of times, it's
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  Speaker 4: not the scheme. It's not the coaches. Sometimes the players
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  Speaker 4: got to take... Got to take ownership of, was I
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  Speaker 4: in my right place? You heard something that Carolina Panthers
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  Speaker 4: defensive player said, I put bad film on tape. I
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  Speaker 4: can't do that.
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  Speaker 3: Now the 3-4 can't make up for pass rush integrity
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  Speaker 3: where you get a free rush in Phillips, but the
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  Speaker 3: other defensive end goes inside and now the quarterback runs
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  Speaker 3: away from a sure sack or a pressure. So what
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  Speaker 3: that has to do with 3-4 or 4-3. And let
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  Speaker 3: me give you a little secret. The 3-4 and the
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  Speaker 3: 4-3 is not about scheme. It's just about what you
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  Speaker 3: label your fourth rusher. If you label him an outside linebacker,
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  Speaker 3: it's a 3-4. If you say he's a defensive.
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  Speaker 4: End, it's a 4-3. So take that misnomer out your
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  Speaker 4: head that 3-4 and 4-3 are totally different. It's just
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  Speaker 4: what you decide to call your four guys as rushers.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting stuff, man. Buck, you are preaching, man. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I'm in the trenches right now with Buck. I
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  Speaker 1: love it, man. I love it. And let's see, Buck.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see.
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  Speaker 2: They can argue with us, Buck, because I played the
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  Speaker 2: game for one season and wanted to quit in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of it, all right? They can argue with me,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but I don't have to argue with Buck.
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  Speaker 5: I won a championship playing college football video game three
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  Speaker 5: years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's big. Yeah, I've got that degree. You're a guru.
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  Speaker 2: The podcast, Buck Naked Truth is the podcast. Buck, are
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  Speaker 2: you talking all ball in that? Are you talking silliness
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  Speaker 2: in there? What's going on in that podcast?
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  Speaker 3: We're the line where entertainment and sports cross.
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  Speaker 4: That's right. NC State fans, listen in, because we have
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  Speaker 4: Chris Washburn on there. The NC State great. He tells
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  Speaker 4: his story from the highs of the highs to the
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  Speaker 4: lows of the lows. Sports and entertainment have really clashed.
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  Speaker 4: The line has been blurred. There's a lot of crossover.
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  Speaker 4: We're right there.
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  Speaker 1: We talk ball.
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  Speaker 4: We talk entertainment. We talk life. All in all, we're
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  Speaker 4: telling our butt-naked truth.
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  Speaker 2: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: I love it, man. Check it out.
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  Speaker 5: I noticed. We're trying to get you to that number today, Buck.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're getting like, you know, the thing is so crazy.
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  Speaker 3: We got over a million and a half views. Wow.
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  Speaker 4: I just got to get people to hit the subscribe button.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, please subscribe. Subscribe for Buck.
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  Speaker 4: Please subscribe.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Buck, this guy Naylor from Lumberton says, I'm a Gamecock fan,
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  Speaker 2: and even I can acknowledge that Buck is preaching today, man.
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  Speaker 1: Even the Gamecock fans are loving it. Hey, we had
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  Speaker 1: a real quick question, Buck, from Colin.
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  Speaker 5: He wanted to know, would you have preferred to wear
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  Speaker 5: white jerseys in the heat the other day?
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  Speaker 4: Now, that was the one thing I was shocked. When
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  Speaker 4: I saw them run out there with the black helmet
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  Speaker 4: and black pants and the light blue jerseys and that
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  Speaker 4: turf said 126 degrees, I'm just so old school Carolina.
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  Speaker 4: I just knew they're coming out all white because that's
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  Speaker 4: what we've always done.
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  Speaker 1: This time of year. I.
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  Speaker 4: I, I would, I'm pretty sure the players would have
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  Speaker 4: preferred to be in that white, but just for me,
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  Speaker 4: you know, being an old school Panther and, and what
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  Speaker 4: I'm used to seeing, I was shocked that they went
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  Speaker 4: in all white.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Buck is team Colin on that one. He was on
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  Speaker 2: the same page. All right, Buck, keep up the good
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  Speaker 2: work on the podcast. Thanks for the education, man. Appreciate you.
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  Speaker 4: All right. So one time,