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Credlin | 19 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kuenland live on Sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome see Price with you filling in for
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Speaker 2: Peter on a day that saw European leaders and the
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Speaker 2: Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski meeting Donald Trump with some strong
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Speaker 2: hints a ceasefire, even a peace deal might eventuate.
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Speaker 3: Let's hope.
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Speaker 2: So here's what's coming up tonight on Kredlin Labour's Talk
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Speaker 2: Fast in Cambri. It's up and running day one of three.
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Speaker 2: We will be all over that with Sky News experts,
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Speaker 2: Andrew Clanel on the politics, and Ross Greenwood on what
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Speaker 2: business wants and can expect from all the talking. Australia
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Speaker 2: and Israel's long standing principled cooperation on everything from defense
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Speaker 2: to trade and cultural cooperation has now hit its lowest
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Speaker 2: level since the creation of the Jewish state, Tit for
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Speaker 2: tat visa cancelations, unprecedented levels of anti Semitism, and Capital
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Speaker 2: City pro Palestine protest March's calling for the state of
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Speaker 2: Israel to be wiped off the map. We have the
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Speaker 2: latest twist on all of this, and it's pretty ugly,
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Speaker 2: i must say. Plus will violent home invasion that took
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Speaker 2: place in Melbourne last weekend by alleged defenders armed with machetes.
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Speaker 2: Will this be the pivotal moment authorities realize they've lost
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Speaker 2: the battle and they need to change tactics. Former Federal
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Speaker 2: MP and the man who almost ten years ago chaired
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Speaker 2: a parliamentary inquiry into Victorian gang violence, Jason Wood, will
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Speaker 2: join us on the program and don't be fooled by
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Speaker 2: the green tinge across Victoria and South Australia as winter
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Speaker 2: continues to bite that part of the country. It's in
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Speaker 2: a desperate drought. We will get the latest on how
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Speaker 2: that is affecting our farmers. But first though, who would
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Speaker 2: have thought back on October the eighth in twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: three that we would be sitting here today banning an
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Speaker 2: Israeli MP from coming to Australia because he might, in
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Speaker 2: the words of the Department, disrupt the nation's Muslim community
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Speaker 2: and repeating so called in lametory comments on the need
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Speaker 2: to eliminate Hummas.
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Speaker 3: Excuse me.
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Speaker 2: Hammas is a recognized terrorist group, a twisted bunch of
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Speaker 2: murderous butchers who carried out the worst attack on Jews
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Speaker 2: since World War II and the Nazi death camps and
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Speaker 2: we are banning this Jewish MP coming here and saying
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Speaker 2: they Hummas need to be eliminated.
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Speaker 3: That's what he has said.
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Speaker 2: Who doesn't want that, aside from a bunch of deluded,
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Speaker 2: radical pro Palestinian supporters. Look, even most of the ninety
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Speaker 2: thousand odd Bridge marches would or most of them, I
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Speaker 2: would think, I would like to think would agree Hamas
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Speaker 2: needs to be wiped off the face of the earth.
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Speaker 2: I mean sure there are people like this Muslim preacher
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Speaker 2: who in Sydney, the day after the slaughter of men, women, babies,
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Speaker 2: all of the rapes, the bodies of shot and burned
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Speaker 2: innocent people at a music festival, made this disgraceful spectacle
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Speaker 2: of himself.
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Speaker 1: I'm smiling and unhappy.
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Speaker 4: I'm that's a day of courage.
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Speaker 2: He can live here and spew that stuff out. But
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Speaker 2: at the eleventh hour, Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke yesterday
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Speaker 2: decided that Simcha Rothman, who was last night on Shari
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Speaker 2: Marksen's program, he's described as a right leaning MP. He
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Speaker 2: is denied a visa. He was almost on his way
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Speaker 2: here now. The Australian newspaper this afternoon, as Chris Kenny
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Speaker 2: has been reporting revealed from Home Affairs documents. They're actual
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Speaker 2: documents they got their hands on, revealed the reasons of
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Speaker 2: the visa cancelation. It was for past comments including calling
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Speaker 2: guards and children enemies and saying that the terror group
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Speaker 2: Hummus should be eliminated. Home Affairs believes his presence could
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Speaker 2: spark major counter protests like what exactly, ninety thousand people
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Speaker 2: blocking the Sydney Harbor Bridge for hours, that sort of
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Speaker 2: disruption his other crime, Rothman. Apparently, according to these documents,
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Speaker 2: he said quote in the end, Israel has to be
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Speaker 2: in charge because no one else will do its dirty work.
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Speaker 2: It's naive to think other country soldiers will endanger their
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Speaker 2: lives to get rid of Hummus. And yeah, what's wrong
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Speaker 2: with that statement exactly? The Department brief goes on to
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Speaker 2: say his calls to eliminate Hummas would be concerning to
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Speaker 2: some in the Australian community. Okay, can we play again
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Speaker 2: what the preacher said on October eight.
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Speaker 1: I'm smiling and I'm happy.
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Speaker 4: I'm in Zatan.
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Speaker 2: That's a day of courage, smiling and happy at the
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Speaker 2: slaughter of twelve hundred people. Now, Tony Burk's delegate according
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Speaker 2: to these leaked documents, Today went on and said, quote,
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Speaker 2: considering his presence in Australia would or might be a
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Speaker 2: risk to the good order of the community or a
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Speaker 2: segment of the community, namely the Islamic population. The Minister himself,
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Speaker 2: he brought into the argument today, saying quote, if you
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Speaker 2: are coming to Australia to spread a message of hate
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Speaker 2: and division, we don't want you here. Israel has reacted
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Speaker 2: as it predictably would, canceling some visas, including that of
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Speaker 2: the Australian representative to the Palestinian authority. Who even knew
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Speaker 2: we had such a person. With Penny Wong, the Foreign
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Speaker 2: Minister accusing Benjamin net Yahu of quote isolating Israel and
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Speaker 2: undermining peace.
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Speaker 3: Give me a break.
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Speaker 2: So here we have it, our alliance with Israel on
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Speaker 2: the scrap heap, the Americans not even bothering to talk
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Speaker 2: to us, and the Prime Minister on television last night
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Speaker 2: parading his dog Toto on a couch, pretending to know
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Speaker 2: what Jim Charmers was actually talking thing about Welcome to
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Speaker 2: Albo version number two, speaking of Cambell that's head they're
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Speaker 2: now Tonight's political headlines with Sky News Political reporter Ruben Spargo.
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Speaker 5: The three day Economic Roundtable is taking place behind closed
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Speaker 5: doors in Canberra in a search for sharp insights. The
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Speaker 5: Prime Minister is setting the course for rigorous debate. Business
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Speaker 5: unions and civil society filed into Parliament House this morning
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Speaker 5: carrying their ideas.
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Speaker 6: This is an ambitious group, this is an ambitious government
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Speaker 6: and we have an ambitious agenda before us.
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Speaker 5: Day one centered on resilience with the focus on business
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Speaker 5: investment and skills. Day two turns to productivity. The final
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Speaker 5: day we'll tackle budget sustainability and tax reform. The debate
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Speaker 5: is revealing the competing interests and priorities at play. Standing
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Speaker 5: on the factory floor in Western Sydney, the Opposition leader
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Speaker 5: were surveying fragments of homes. The government struggling to deliver
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Speaker 5: as we're at.
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Speaker 7: Here where the boots are, not where the suits are,
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Speaker 7: and we know that what happens behind those closed doors
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Speaker 7: is already carefully choreographed.
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Speaker 5: A clear signal of the government's stance on these major
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Speaker 5: issues could emerge by Thursday. The timeline for action depends
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Speaker 5: on the scale of change. The diplomatic rift between Australia
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Speaker 5: and Israel is widening, Israel's Foreign minister revoked the visas
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Speaker 5: of Australia's representatives to the Palestinian authority. He's instructed the
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Speaker 5: Israeli embassy in Canberra to carefully examine any official Australian
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Speaker 5: visa application for entry to Israel. It follows Australia's decision
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Speaker 5: to refuse visas to Israeli figures. The Foreign minister is
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Speaker 5: accusing the net and Yahoo government of isolating Israel and
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Speaker 5: undermining efforts towards peace.
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Speaker 2: Were staying in camber and Scone News political letitor Andrew
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Speaker 2: Clanel is there today for this economic talk fest three days. Andrew,
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Speaker 2: what I think around thirty or forty people. You can't
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Speaker 2: take your mobile phone in there, and it seems a
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Speaker 2: pretty dry agenda. Now, I've never been a fan of meetings.
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Speaker 2: What do we realistically expect Andrew to get out of this?
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Speaker 8: I hate meetings as well. Maybe we should. Maybe I
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Speaker 8: can put my teenage kids in the cabinet room if
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Speaker 8: you can't have a mobile phone in there. I was
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Speaker 8: thinking Steve might not be a bad idea. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 8: you can't take you can't take a mobile into that room,
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Speaker 8: and so it's hard to get a leak out of it.
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Speaker 8: But we interviewed I to be Daniel Mookie for Politics
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Speaker 8: Now and he said a lot of it was about skills,
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Speaker 8: and you know, he really spelled it out in this
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Speaker 8: interview the new South fALS Treasurer who's representing all the
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Speaker 8: state governments here. We don't have enough skilled construction workers here, Steve.
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Speaker 8: It's as simple as that we need to upscale our
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Speaker 8: own people, get some skilled migrants while not lifting the
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Speaker 8: migration rate too high. And that is a massive thing
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Speaker 8: in terms of productivity because the more housing costs, the
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Speaker 8: more infrastructure costs to build, the more that the supply
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Speaker 8: and demand thing, meaning laborers are earning a lot more,
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Speaker 8: tradees are earning a lot more. That is hurting our
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Speaker 8: economy and it's hurting productivity. And I just want to
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Speaker 8: know what the federal government's going to do about it,
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Speaker 8: rather than sit around the table talking about things they
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Speaker 8: might do about it. I mean, they've been in power
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Speaker 8: in a bit of years now.
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Speaker 2: We've got lots of law graduates and lots of engineers.
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Speaker 2: Don't actually have anyone to cut up the wood or
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Speaker 2: put the tiles on the roof. We're actually constructor house
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Speaker 2: lots of architects. There's plenty of plans, but no one
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Speaker 2: to build anything.
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Speaker 8: This is crucial, This is critical. And you know, you
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Speaker 8: think the government had a skills summitt three years ago.
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Speaker 8: Why didn't this get on top of it then? And
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Speaker 8: it should be a massive priority. We'll hear about other
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Speaker 8: things like budget sustainability and tax on other days, but
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Speaker 8: my understanding his skills was a big part of it
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Speaker 8: today and I think this is quite pressing. And look,
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Speaker 8: I asked Jim Chalmers on Sunday, Well, you know you've
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Speaker 8: been treasured for three years. What do you need a
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Speaker 8: round table to You know, they're just business lobby groups
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Speaker 8: and unions. You hear from them all the time. As
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Speaker 8: a treasurer, I would have thought, I mean, you've got
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Speaker 8: a legal spender and Ted O'Brien in there as well.
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Speaker 8: You've got Matt Common and Ben White. You've got a
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Speaker 8: few CEO's board members that can help out a bit.
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Speaker 8: But I am you know you can tell I am
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Speaker 8: skeptical about it. They're not serious about any sort of
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Speaker 8: brave tax reformat in the Albanezi and Jim Charmers have
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Speaker 8: made that clear. They want to remove regulation. Well, it
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Speaker 8: seems to me you could get that out of a
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Speaker 8: couple of National Cabinet meetings. You don't need this sort
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Speaker 8: of forum. So yeah, Jim Chalmers said an interview with me,
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Speaker 8: I'm not listening to the grumps and cynics. I guess I'm
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Speaker 8: sounding like a grump and a cynic, aren't I If
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Speaker 8: they come out of there with a whole bunch of
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Speaker 8: things that are worthwhile, then I will eat my words.
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Speaker 8: But as things stand now, I can't see it. A
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Speaker 8: lot of the things that that sort of got leaked
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Speaker 8: that they're talking about, like freezing the National Construction Code,
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Speaker 8: you know, getting rid of duplication of regulation. That's things
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Speaker 8: that can sort of have been sorted out by now
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Speaker 8: by cabinet meeting and National Cabinet meeting. You don't need
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Speaker 8: a whole lot of people to go into a room
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Speaker 8: to tell you things which are common sense.
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Speaker 3: No, you don't.
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Speaker 2: I mean I wish they did have phones in there,
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Speaker 2: because what I'd love to have seen is the CCTV
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Speaker 2: footage when their phone started pinging about three hours ago
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Speaker 2: telling them that CSL, one of our most successful companies,
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Speaker 2: just decided it's going to sack three thousand.
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Speaker 8: People yeah, I mean, I mean there is problem with
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Speaker 8: business investment. There's not a problem with unemployment. But the
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Speaker 8: argument is that's because the government and government related sectors,
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Speaker 8: things like the ndis, have filled up the space. And
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Speaker 8: I guess what you've got There is a lot of
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Speaker 8: people working in those sectors who could be working in
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Speaker 8: the trades or doing something else.
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Speaker 9: You know.
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Speaker 8: The argument is that if you have too many in
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Speaker 8: the sort of government and care sector, that robs you
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Speaker 8: labor from that construction and other sectors where we have
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Speaker 8: labor shortages. So it's kind of about balancing the economy.
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Speaker 8: And one of the things you got to do is
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Speaker 8: you've got to just take the NDEs on. I mean,
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Speaker 8: Anthony Albanez he said yesterday, he said to me in
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Speaker 8: an interview a month ago, Oh yeah, we need to
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Speaker 8: look at that. We need to do something about it. Well,
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Speaker 8: they need to get cracking on it. And I'm not
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Speaker 8: suggesting that everyone gets ripped off the ndies. I'm just
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Speaker 8: suggesting that we stopped putting every six year old boy
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Speaker 8: on the ndis. You know, draw a line in the
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Speaker 8: sand now and change those eligibility requirements. You have an
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Speaker 8: opportunity when you've got ninety four seats in the opposition
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Speaker 8: will probably agree with you to make some real change
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Speaker 8: in that government spending area, and it's critical for the
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Speaker 8: future of the country.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I heard someone suggest today we actually need to stop,
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Speaker 2: go back to the start of the ends and start again.
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Speaker 2: Someone even said we might need to have a royal commission.
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Speaker 2: I mean, god for another royal commission, but they need
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Speaker 2: to sort.
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Speaker 3: It out now.
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Speaker 2: And was very good at risk and reward. You're the
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Speaker 2: best at risk and reward. What's the risk to the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister and the treasurer out of this? If nothing
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Speaker 2: of substantive nature comes from it, Well, it.
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Speaker 8: Won't come for some time because these things are slow burned.
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Speaker 8: But the risk is there label to do nothing government
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Speaker 8: and when it comes around to election time next time,
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Speaker 8: that can hurt you. And I know that sounds crazy
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Speaker 8: with the political situation, with the polls we have now,
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Speaker 8: so that in a sense, there's no short term risk.
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Speaker 8: I think that's what I'm telling you, Steve. The long
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Speaker 8: term risk is that you're seeing to be a Prime
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Speaker 8: Minister of no action who just wants to occupy the crease,
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Speaker 8: and you're not making positive changes to advance Australia. That's
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Speaker 8: the risk. I'm not sure about the reward. I was
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Speaker 8: really interested in some bold ideas and get off with somethings.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's hope. So look, I was really interested in
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Speaker 2: that Daniel Murky interview. I was sitting down in the
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Speaker 2: car park listening to it on Sky News radio. He
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Speaker 2: talked about the tobacco exercise. Now, I interviewed a former
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Speaker 2: federal police copper last night who was talking about this
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Speaker 2: guy from Australia who's sitting over there in Iraq making
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Speaker 2: a billion dollars out of sending illegal tobacco into Australia.
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Speaker 2: He's making more money than you know, all the big
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Speaker 2: drug dealers like Tony Mockbell and Carl Williams ever made.
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Speaker 2: Of course, they should be looking at bringing down the
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Speaker 2: tobacco excise.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's people.
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Speaker 2: Robbing IgA stores to steal cigarettes.
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Speaker 8: They've got to cut it.
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Speaker 1: They've got to cut it.
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Speaker 8: I mean, this is something years ago I would never advocate, right,
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Speaker 8: I'm one of the worst, Steve. I'm an ex smoker,
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Speaker 8: So I think everyone should be able to give it up.
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Speaker 8: And you know, I think you should have the will
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Speaker 8: to do that. But the point is people are going
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Speaker 8: to smoke, right, and it's like prohibition in the twenties.
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Speaker 8: You know, they were just underground bars and they couldn't
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Speaker 8: get tax. But they can't get enough tax out of
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Speaker 8: tobacco now because there's this huge illegal market that's so
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Speaker 8: big it couldn't possibly be police the state least don't
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Speaker 8: have the resources to do it. But the health bureaucrats
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Speaker 8: and lobbyists, you know, we'll put enormous pressure on you.
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Speaker 8: Mark Butler would put pressure on Jim Charmers not to
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Speaker 8: cut it. But it's there are two advantages to cutting it.
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Speaker 8: You know, you can stem the illegal trade and yeah,
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Speaker 8: actually ironically, even though you're cutting attacks, you end up
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Speaker 8: with more tax when your budget struggling. So I think
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Speaker 8: there's a serious, serious case for it. I think it
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Speaker 8: should be in his next budget. And I was surprised
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Speaker 8: when I asked Daniel Mookie that he said, no, we
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Speaker 8: won't be raising this in the roundtable. We should be
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Speaker 8: raising it. We are raising it in other forums. Well,
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Speaker 8: I think it should be subject to the roundtable because
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Speaker 8: Day three is about budget sustainability, and this helps the budget,
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Speaker 8: it helps law and order to and ultimately Jim charmers
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Speaker 8: will have some responsibility for what's going on in terms
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Speaker 8: of organized crime and illegal tobacco if he doesn't act.
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Speaker 8: Because the Treasury, by dropping that number in the budget papers,
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Speaker 8: his own department was sort of saying, look, we've got
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Speaker 8: a problem here.
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Speaker 2: Well, if you want any proof, I mean I wanted
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Speaker 2: into a Lawson store in Japan a month ago, and
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Speaker 2: I wasn't buying cigarettes, but there they were three hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifty yen for a packet of cigarettes, which is
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Speaker 2: three dollars fifty. That cost about thirty five dollars here.
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Speaker 2: I mean, no wonder. No one's buying regular cigarettes and
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Speaker 2: they're all buying illegal ones.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: I think the most effective thing that happened, and we've
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Speaker 8: lived through this so you and I, Steve, is the
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Speaker 8: social shaming around smoking. It's not cool anymore, you know,
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Speaker 8: And that was as effective as anything. Look, I think
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Speaker 8: the tax was very effective too. Those two things coupled.
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Speaker 8: But it seems to me the tax has gone too far,
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Speaker 8: and this underground industry has been allowed to creep in
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Speaker 8: and flourish. And it's just after a while a tax
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Speaker 8: rate can become counterproductive. It's as simple as that, because
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Speaker 8: then you know, people find underground ways to get around it.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Andrew Goode. Over the next couple of days, I've
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Speaker 2: talked to you soon, Thanks, Steve.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, we'll dig into details of
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Speaker 2: Labour's economic roundtable with our business editor Ross Greenwood. Plus
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Speaker 2: Victorian farmers are calling out they need more support. This
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Speaker 2: drought they're going through is continuing to run.
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Speaker 3: Out of control. Welcome back to Price with you.
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Speaker 2: More on Victoria's teen crime crisis coming up shortly now.
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Speaker 2: As we were just talking to Andrew Clenel about this
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Speaker 2: three day economic roundtable now under way in Canberra. The
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister and the Treasurer last night were down at
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Speaker 2: the lodge with the PM's dog Toto, but this morning
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Speaker 2: they gathered at the cabinet table before the meeting started.
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Speaker 2: Here's a bit of what they both had to say.
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Speaker 11: I would be shocked if everyone in this room agreed
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Speaker 11: with each other.
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Speaker 3: In fact, it would.
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Speaker 11: Be we might as well not have it if that
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Speaker 11: was the case, yes, because then you wouldn't.
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Speaker 12: By definition, have a contest of ideas.
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Speaker 6: This is an ambitious group, this is an ambitious government,
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Speaker 6: and we have an ambitious agenda before us. A global
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Speaker 6: uncertainty surrounds us. Big economic challenges confront us and our
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Speaker 6: collective ambition needs to meet this moment.
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Speaker 2: Must say a lot more energy there from the treasure
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Speaker 2: than the Prime Minister. Sky Business Editor Ross Greenwood knows most,
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Speaker 2: if not all, of the leading business figures inside that
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Speaker 2: room and joins us. Now, Ross, I just wanted to
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Speaker 2: get a bit into the personality of this because you've
18:37
Speaker 2: got a situation where you've got the head of the
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Speaker 2: Common Bank, that common In their biggest bank by share
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Speaker 2: value in the world, I think, and obviously flying along
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Speaker 2: as a business How aggressive will he be in pushing
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Speaker 2: his ideas of what would make Australian business more competitive
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Speaker 2: inside that room with that group.
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Speaker 13: Well, I spoke to him last week and I would
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Speaker 13: suggest not very aggressive. Really, a lot of those people
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Speaker 13: looking for consensus now they'll put their views strongly. And
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Speaker 13: one thing we do know is the act you today
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Speaker 13: suggested that all employers should pay an extra levy, an
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Speaker 13: extra tax to basically pay for the training of their workers.
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Speaker 13: Now that was dismissed pretty vigorously according to all the
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Speaker 13: reports we've seen inside that room. But it is curious
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Speaker 13: to see that our biggest Banker was there. We had
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Speaker 13: somebody from the technology center sector, Scott Farquha was there.
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Speaker 13: You had people from a whole range of different areas.
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Speaker 13: No miners, which is our biggest earner, where as a nation,
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Speaker 13: no energy companies side. So I kind of sit there
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Speaker 13: and look at that and go, well, what is the
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Speaker 13: issue if you have our most productive businesses being mining
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Speaker 13: and the energy company is the gas sector actually not
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Speaker 13: in the room?
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Speaker 10: Now?
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Speaker 13: Curiously enough, we saw profits today from BHP were it
20:00
Speaker 13: says because it's uncompetitive the state taxes in Queensland, it's
20:03
Speaker 13: thinking about selling some of the best metallurgical coal mines
20:07
Speaker 13: used for steel making in the world because it can't
20:09
Speaker 13: make any money from them.
20:11
Speaker 10: So that was one number two.
20:13
Speaker 13: I spoke to Meg O'Neil, the boss of Woodside, our
20:15
Speaker 13: biggest oil and gas company, who basically said, hey, I've
20:19
Speaker 13: got choice and so as a result, we're going to
20:21
Speaker 13: go where we can earn more money and we're going
20:23
Speaker 13: to put more investment in the future into America. Now
20:27
Speaker 13: we'll invest in Australia, but a lot more money is
20:30
Speaker 13: going into America. And even on Friday, the boss of
20:33
Speaker 13: Chevron Energy, which has actually undertaken the biggest project ever
20:37
Speaker 13: in Australia, which is the Gorgan gas field, has basically
20:40
Speaker 13: said the Global chief executive and chairman told me on Friday,
20:44
Speaker 13: We're not investing any more money in Australia because it's
20:47
Speaker 13: not worthwhile and we can invest in other places. This
20:51
Speaker 13: is the message that's not getting through to the government.
20:55
Speaker 13: We've got first world services, first world social schemes which
20:59
Speaker 13: the government has been very good at putting together. The ndis,
21:02
Speaker 13: the childcare, the agecare, all important things, there is no doubt.
21:05
Speaker 10: But you have to pay for them.
21:07
Speaker 13: And the way in which you pay for them is
21:09
Speaker 13: having a competitive sort of if you're like mining, energy
21:13
Speaker 13: manufacturing sector, not by whacking them with more tax because
21:16
Speaker 13: you think they make too much money in dollar terms.
21:19
Speaker 10: That's not what it's about.
21:22
Speaker 2: How do you have a business round table that's looking
21:24
Speaker 2: at productivity and skills and not have any of the
21:28
Speaker 2: senior mining executive there.
21:30
Speaker 3: That's absolutely staggering.
21:31
Speaker 10: No, BHP, No, Well, it's interesting to see this.
21:35
Speaker 13: They all gave submissions, are all part of other parts
21:37
Speaker 13: of the round table in the prelude, in the in
21:40
Speaker 13: the introduction, but they weren't in the room today and
21:42
Speaker 13: so I just sit there and go, well, it just
21:44
Speaker 13: seems to me just a little bit peculiar. And so
21:48
Speaker 13: the real trouble here, I would sense, is there's a
21:51
Speaker 13: view for all of these social programs that the government's
21:54
Speaker 13: put out that they've got to pay for them somewhere
21:56
Speaker 13: like the government, if you think about this, has got
22:00
Speaker 13: enormous amounts of debt. It's got a warning from Standard
22:03
Speaker 13: and Pause that we could lose our triple A credit rating.
22:05
Speaker 13: That we're on the edge of that triple A credit
22:07
Speaker 13: rating right now because we don't actually have a budget
22:11
Speaker 13: forecast to be in surplus for a decade.
22:14
Speaker 10: We've got the net debt.
22:16
Speaker 13: Now five hundred and fifty billion dollars at June thirty
22:19
Speaker 13: this year, going out the seven hundred and seventy billion
22:22
Speaker 13: dollars within four years and then beyond that.
22:25
Speaker 10: So that's just adding onto the strain of the budget.
22:28
Speaker 13: So you sit there and go that what the country
22:30
Speaker 13: needs to do now, Steve, is to grow. It needs
22:33
Speaker 13: to grow faster, it needs to get moving now. This
22:36
Speaker 13: is partly what the productivity Roundsabel's about. But the fact
22:39
Speaker 13: is you don't do that by hamstringing energy companies, mining
22:44
Speaker 13: companies with so much red tape and they're saying, okay,
22:46
Speaker 13: we can get rid of some of that. But then
22:48
Speaker 13: it's industrial relations. It is the price of energy that
22:51
Speaker 13: is killing off many of our aluminium smelters, our steel
22:55
Speaker 13: works in Weiler, who are all going to government for
22:57
Speaker 13: a handout to say if you don't, basically bailers will
23:00
Speaker 13: go broke and we will not come back. And there
23:03
Speaker 13: is a fundamental problem for Australia right now that these businesses,
23:07
Speaker 13: if they do disappear right.
23:08
Speaker 10: Now, they won't come back.
23:10
Speaker 13: Australia will lose investment, it will lose jobs, and it
23:13
Speaker 13: will lose the future income that pays for the government's
23:17
Speaker 13: social programs.
23:20
Speaker 3: Craziness.
23:20
Speaker 2: Just finally, ross I mentioned to Andrew Clanell this story
23:24
Speaker 2: about CSL today, that loss of three thousand jobs. I
23:27
Speaker 2: presume that's globally. You and I've always had great regard
23:31
Speaker 2: for CSL headquartered there in Melbourne, and share price has
23:35
Speaker 2: gone through the roof. What's gone wrong there is that
23:38
Speaker 2: purely down to Donald Trump's tariffs on pharmaceuticals.
23:41
Speaker 10: That's what it's all about.
23:42
Speaker 13: Yeah, So I know whether you've seen the share price today, Steve,
23:45
Speaker 13: it's collapsed by seventeen percent one day for a company
23:48
Speaker 13: of that size, so it effectively wiped out almost one percent,
23:52
Speaker 13: about two thirds of a percent of our stock market
23:54
Speaker 13: today CSL alone, that's what it did. It was so big.
23:58
Speaker 13: So it's dropped by twenty billion dollars in the value
24:02
Speaker 13: of the company in one day, twenty billion with a B.
24:06
Speaker 13: So the issue here is the company basically not having
24:10
Speaker 13: big manufacturing in America where it needs it because as
24:14
Speaker 13: a result, Donald Trump is suggesting that pharmaceuticals imports into
24:18
Speaker 13: the United States could attract the tariff of anything up
24:21
Speaker 13: to two hundred and fifty percent. So it seems almost
24:24
Speaker 13: certain that CSL is going to be busted up into
24:27
Speaker 13: different parts to try and extract revenue. And also the
24:30
Speaker 13: three thousand job cuts they're all about trying to cut
24:33
Speaker 13: back on the amount of you know, sort of revenue
24:36
Speaker 13: that they've actually gotten the costs of what going out
24:38
Speaker 13: the door.
24:38
Speaker 10: So really for what has been.
24:40
Speaker 13: The poster child of Australian manufacturing right now again is
24:44
Speaker 13: another bit of a troubling issue that again the government
24:48
Speaker 13: has got to take some notice of.
24:51
Speaker 3: Good work.
24:51
Speaker 2: Rosh thank you talk soon. Extraordinary stuff. Now I'll tell
24:56
Speaker 2: you you can watch the Real Productivity Roundtable. It's going
25:00
Speaker 2: to be hosted by Ross Green. It will be on
25:02
Speaker 2: Sky tomorrow at nine fifty am on Sky News Extra.
25:06
Speaker 2: It'll also be streamed live on skynews dot com dot au.
25:11
Speaker 2: Ross doing a great job there. I want to turn
25:13
Speaker 2: my attention back to domestic issues, particularly this drought that's
25:17
Speaker 2: far from over across much of western Victoria reaching into
25:21
Speaker 2: South Australia. Now, the Victorian Farmers Federation, they need more
25:25
Speaker 2: drought support. They've called for that, they needed expanded. They're
25:28
Speaker 2: battling soaring costs. We now know that some of these
25:32
Speaker 2: new taxes are going out, like the Emergency Services Tax
25:37
Speaker 2: which is now pushed costs through the roof. Joining me
25:40
Speaker 2: now is the Victorian Farmers Federation President Brett Hosking. Brett,
25:44
Speaker 2: good to see you again. Let's just deal with the
25:46
Speaker 2: drought first. It looks green out there. I mean I
25:50
Speaker 2: was out in western Victoria three weeks ago. It looks green.
25:54
Speaker 2: But it's it's not the real story, is it.
25:57
Speaker 11: No, absolutely not, Stephen, Thanks for having us. We've had
26:01
Speaker 11: a little bit of rain through June. We've got that
26:03
Speaker 11: bit of a germination that green tinge, but it's not enough.
26:06
Speaker 11: Sheep can't eat a green color. They actually need a
26:09
Speaker 11: plant of decent length, and so we're going to need
26:12
Speaker 11: that full up rain. Spring is absolutely critical through our
26:15
Speaker 11: farming areas at the moment to refill our dams, to
26:18
Speaker 11: recharge our catchments, and to get the feed growing in
26:21
Speaker 11: the paddock.
26:22
Speaker 10: So we're really.
26:23
Speaker 11: Watching the weather at the moment. I think every farmer
26:26
Speaker 11: is glued to the forecast at the moment that there's
26:29
Speaker 11: a lot of challenges ahead of us.
26:30
Speaker 2: Still, well, you know this stuff better than me. But
26:34
Speaker 2: I mean last weekend they were forecasting that it was
26:37
Speaker 2: going to be twelve degrees and raining. Certainly in metropolitan
26:42
Speaker 2: Melbourne and on the peninsula where I live it was sunny.
26:44
Speaker 2: There was no rain at all. These weather patterns seem
26:47
Speaker 2: to be hitting the fringes of Adelaide and then going
26:50
Speaker 2: north and Sydney and Brisbane. I think they've had their
26:54
Speaker 2: wettest August in history in the last couple of weeks.
27:00
Speaker 2: Somewhat For some reason, these patterns just go around us money.
27:04
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean we're seeing the climate indicators that are
27:06
Speaker 11: out there saying yes, it should be wetted and average,
27:08
Speaker 11: we should be getting the rain. It's just not showing
27:11
Speaker 11: up on the forecast yet forecast yet that's where we
27:14
Speaker 11: need it to be, and we need to be hitting
27:15
Speaker 11: the ground. You know, we've got sheep at the moment
27:18
Speaker 11: in sale yards reaching record prices. Ironically, some of those
27:22
Speaker 11: lambs will never have tasted green grass in their life.
27:24
Speaker 11: They would have lived on grain and hay and been
27:27
Speaker 11: lot fed and looked after in superb condition by the
27:29
Speaker 11: farmers who are doing a brilliant job under incredibly extraordinary circumstances.
27:34
Speaker 11: But we need government to step in. We need our
27:36
Speaker 11: federal government to actually get involved in this rout and
27:38
Speaker 11: make a difference.
27:41
Speaker 3: What do you need from the FEDS and the state.
27:44
Speaker 1: FEDS is really simple.
27:45
Speaker 11: They've got the capacity for it, a regional investment corporation
27:48
Speaker 11: to be providing zero interest loans with no repayments. They
27:52
Speaker 11: get the money back because you can't repay a loan
27:54
Speaker 11: in Australia without pain tax, So it's a win win
27:57
Speaker 11: for the government. But what that would do is give
27:59
Speaker 11: farms the confidence to be able to invest in their business,
28:02
Speaker 11: to be able to plan for a recovery, and to
28:03
Speaker 11: be able to see a future we've not actually seen
28:06
Speaker 11: the Prime Minister in Victoria visiting this drought. He went
28:09
Speaker 11: through an election campaign. He did not come to the state.
28:12
Speaker 11: We're actually calling on him. He's down next week for
28:14
Speaker 11: the drought for the Bush Summit in Ballarat. Why not
28:16
Speaker 11: spend a day or two and actually spend some time
28:18
Speaker 11: with the farmers.
28:19
Speaker 1: We talk about productivity.
28:20
Speaker 11: That's where your productivity is happening on Australia's farms, on
28:24
Speaker 11: Victoria's farms. So get out there and see it and
28:26
Speaker 11: spend some time with the farmers.
28:30
Speaker 2: The farmer's got anyone inside that round table meeting that's
28:33
Speaker 2: unfolding in camera.
28:35
Speaker 11: Look, there has been some farm groups involved, but you know,
28:38
Speaker 11: that real message happens when you're actually you're actually standing
28:41
Speaker 11: in a paddick. You're seeing what's really going on. You're
28:43
Speaker 11: seeing the lack of feed, You're seeing the challenges that
28:46
Speaker 11: the farming families are coping with and coping with. Really well,
28:50
Speaker 11: you know, we're not asking for handouts. We're just asking
28:53
Speaker 11: for a little bit of a little bit of assistance
28:55
Speaker 11: to be able to help us plan for the future,
28:57
Speaker 11: help us generate that productivity into the future. There's a
29:00
Speaker 11: real opportunity there and I think you know it's almost
29:03
Speaker 11: on a platter for a federal government just to get involved.
29:06
Speaker 11: They've got their National Drought Agreement, but the farmers themselves
29:08
Speaker 11: will tell you that that agreement isn't working right now.
29:11
Speaker 11: So let's be nimble enough in government to flex and
29:14
Speaker 11: actually make sure we've got something that's fit for purpose.
29:18
Speaker 10: Red.
29:18
Speaker 3: I know you're in Charlton today.
29:19
Speaker 2: I'll get you back on to talk about transmission lines
29:22
Speaker 2: next week because it's an issue that Peter and I
29:24
Speaker 2: both want to stick on. So we'll get organized to
29:26
Speaker 2: have you come back and let us know how angry
29:28
Speaker 2: people are out there in the rural Australia that's spread
29:32
Speaker 2: hosking there from the Victorian Farmers Federation. After the break,
29:35
Speaker 2: we'll talk to man who led a parliamentary inquiry this
29:37
Speaker 2: happened ten years ago into Victorian gangland crime. And when
29:42
Speaker 2: I'm talking gangs, i'm talking teenage gangs. So what's changed
29:46
Speaker 2: in ten years plus? Just how damaging is Australia's decision
29:50
Speaker 2: to revoke that visa of an Israeli politician.
29:53
Speaker 3: That's all to.
29:53
Speaker 2: Come welcome back to see price with you now. Andrew
30:02
Speaker 2: Bold coming up at the top of the hour and
30:04
Speaker 2: I'll get back onto that cancelation of the visa of.
30:08
Speaker 3: That Israeli politician shortly.
30:09
Speaker 2: Now he's got a great way of repeating itself. We
30:12
Speaker 2: all know Victoria is in the midst of a teenage
30:15
Speaker 2: crime crisis. There was an aggravated home invasion on Sunday
30:20
Speaker 2: and yesterday's machette wielding robbery as well. Now, these machetes
30:24
Speaker 2: are really out of control. You can ask anybody it
30:27
Speaker 2: is a crisis, but don't expect the Allen government to
30:30
Speaker 2: actually admit it. Back in twenty seventeen, and I was
30:33
Speaker 2: reminded of this the other day, Liberal MP and former
30:36
Speaker 2: police officer Jason Wood was outspoken about the threat of
30:39
Speaker 2: a gang called the Apex Gang. It was named after
30:42
Speaker 2: a street Dandenong, and they were wielding weapons as well
30:46
Speaker 2: at the time, and the government of the day, the
30:49
Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews government, basically said, we don't have a gang problem,
30:52
Speaker 2: we don't have a crime gang problem. So Jason chird
30:55
Speaker 2: a parliamentary inquiry into migrant settlement outcomes and he called
31:00
Speaker 2: for a crackdown on crime. He joins me, Now, Jason,
31:02
Speaker 2: as I said, history has a wonderful way of repeating itself.
31:06
Speaker 2: It looks like we're back to the bad old days
31:08
Speaker 2: of where we were when you first called out Apex.
31:11
Speaker 9: Well, thanks Steve. The next of fact, it's actually worse.
31:15
Speaker 9: And the reason I say it's worse is because now
31:19
Speaker 9: you're seeing youth crime, gangs going into shopping centers and
31:25
Speaker 9: people getting attacked with mercedes. It's pretty much across the state.
31:28
Speaker 9: I just saw you put those robberies up, which happened yesterday.
31:34
Speaker 9: The IDA was actually my elector of the trope. Can
31:37
Speaker 9: I just say right from the outside, I feel so
31:39
Speaker 9: sorry for these victims and their families and their labor
31:45
Speaker 9: government approach in particular in Victoria has just basically allowed
31:51
Speaker 9: this to flourish, believing that the problems is going to
31:54
Speaker 9: go away. It hasn't gone away at all. They've failed
31:59
Speaker 9: to have any deterrence when it comes to tougher penalties
32:04
Speaker 9: for serious crimes. And know in Queensland under a LMP
32:08
Speaker 9: government's you do the adult crime, you do, you get
32:12
Speaker 9: the time with it. The same time, Victoria's got very
32:15
Speaker 9: weak bail laws when it comes to youth crime. We've
32:19
Speaker 9: now got this Merceti laws coming up in the first
32:24
Speaker 9: of September and I've spent thirty million dollars on bins
32:28
Speaker 9: for gang members to go and hand their mercetes and
32:31
Speaker 9: I just can't see it happening. So there's going to
32:34
Speaker 9: be still a lot more crime, youth crime into the future.
32:39
Speaker 3: Well, we're battling what you battle back then.
32:40
Speaker 2: I mean, in the DNA of the State Labor Party
32:44
Speaker 2: of Victoria, there is a feeling that you should not,
32:47
Speaker 2: if you can possibly avoid it, lock up a teenager,
32:51
Speaker 2: put them into youth detention. They don't want that to happen.
32:55
Speaker 2: They didn't want it to happen back then. They don't
32:57
Speaker 2: want it to happen now. They loosened up the bail
33:00
Speaker 2: they've now been forced to slightly tighten them up again.
33:03
Speaker 3: But in built it.
33:04
Speaker 2: And you know this better than ever after being in
33:06
Speaker 2: the force. The magistrates, all these magistrates, they don't want
33:11
Speaker 2: to lock up anybody either, So you're just letting these
33:14
Speaker 2: kids out on the street time and time and time again.
33:18
Speaker 9: Can I make the point, Steve? Early intervention is very important.
33:21
Speaker 9: It's actually one of the things under the previous Morrison government.
33:24
Speaker 9: We put one hundred and twenty million dollars in place
33:27
Speaker 9: to target high risk youth. And I put that policy together.
33:30
Speaker 9: It had three important key elements. Number one to keep
33:34
Speaker 9: youth at schools, to keep in education going if they
33:36
Speaker 9: left training, education to get a job, and finally incarceration
33:41
Speaker 9: to have mentors go in so once they leave JA,
33:45
Speaker 9: they don't go straight back into a gang environment. Now
33:48
Speaker 9: what does ourber Let and Easy and neabor do? As
33:50
Speaker 9: soon as they got in government, they scrapped all these programs.
33:53
Speaker 9: So we had all these youth workers unemployed, all these
33:57
Speaker 9: parents losing hope, and all these youngsters now going back
34:00
Speaker 9: into a life of crime. So if labor really cared,
34:03
Speaker 9: they'll be putting the money into early intervention. So they
34:05
Speaker 9: haven't done the early intervention. They haven't put the deterrence
34:08
Speaker 9: in place. And that's where we are at the moment.
34:11
Speaker 9: It's just very bad state of affairs in Victoria. And
34:15
Speaker 9: even under the labor federal government they've completely failed.
34:19
Speaker 2: Also, Jason Handy has spent three hundred and twenty five
34:25
Speaker 2: thousand dollars on a machete bin on one bin, thirteen
34:28
Speaker 2: million for all of them.
34:29
Speaker 3: That is that's ridiculous.
34:32
Speaker 9: Well, I'm trying at the federal level again, the coalition
34:36
Speaker 9: we had an amber cider hand in firearms, and that allowed,
34:42
Speaker 9: for example, people who had an unregistered firearm to go
34:46
Speaker 9: into a gun deal and get it registered or unwanted
34:49
Speaker 9: to get rid of it. Now these are people who
34:52
Speaker 9: are lawful people handing their firearms. When it comes to
34:57
Speaker 9: these weapons, I think the Allen Government's basically say mon
35:00
Speaker 9: or Dad, find the mercet to go and put it
35:03
Speaker 9: in the bin. Well, if they find it in the
35:05
Speaker 9: first place, well done. But at the same time it
35:09
Speaker 9: meets us a complete waste of money. It's sort of
35:11
Speaker 9: got gone into only early interventional again into funding our police,
35:17
Speaker 9: and police are doing it so tough at the moment.
35:21
Speaker 3: Absolutely ridiculous.
35:22
Speaker 2: Good to catch up with you, Jason, Thanks for your
35:24
Speaker 2: work in the past, and we'll keep talking about this issue.
35:26
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.
35:28
Speaker 1: Now.
35:28
Speaker 2: I want to go back to what I started the
35:29
Speaker 2: program with today. Good on you mate. The Israeli visa ban.
35:33
Speaker 2: Now I mentioned at the top of the program. You've
35:36
Speaker 2: got to ask who's making these decisions. Tony Burke, the
35:38
Speaker 2: Minister of a Home Affairs. He's revoked the visa of
35:41
Speaker 2: the Israeli member of the Kanesse simp Rothman he was
35:44
Speaker 2: on in an excellent interview with Sharri Markson last night.
35:48
Speaker 2: Now the Department says this bloke might risk the good
35:52
Speaker 2: order of the Australian community.
35:53
Speaker 3: What he's done.
35:54
Speaker 2: Has come out and said Hamas has to be destroyed.
35:58
Speaker 2: Now who would argue with that? He was invited to Australia.
36:01
Speaker 2: Why the Australian Jewish Association it's chief executive, Robert Gregory,
36:05
Speaker 2: joins me. Now, good to see you again, Robert. I've
36:09
Speaker 2: read now what the Australian got their hands on today,
36:12
Speaker 2: these papers that show the reason. It makes the ban
36:16
Speaker 2: even worse, doesn't it.
36:19
Speaker 1: One hundred percent was shocked to read it.
36:23
Speaker 14: One of the reasons, as you said, is that he
36:25
Speaker 14: has called for the elimination of Hamas. Now, I think
36:29
Speaker 14: if anyone in Home Affairs has an issue with someone
36:32
Speaker 14: calling for the elimination of a terrorist group, they shouldn't
36:35
Speaker 14: be working in Home affairs. It's crazy.
36:40
Speaker 2: Well this comes and I made the point at the
36:42
Speaker 2: top of the program. I mean, I don't recall and
36:45
Speaker 2: you'd be better judged to judges than me. I don't
36:48
Speaker 2: recall Australian Israeli relations. And you've just come back from
36:52
Speaker 2: there ever to be at such a low level.
36:58
Speaker 14: You're correct, and I've worked in this line of work
37:01
Speaker 14: for a while. I've never seen anything like it. I've
37:03
Speaker 14: never heard of anything like it. His visa, he'd applied
37:07
Speaker 14: for a visa five weeks ago, it had been approved
37:10
Speaker 14: ten days ago.
37:12
Speaker 1: I'm right now in Melbourne.
37:13
Speaker 14: I flew down to Melbourne to greet him because a
37:15
Speaker 14: few hours before he was supposed to board the plane
37:19
Speaker 14: is when he got the notice that his visa had
37:21
Speaker 14: been canceled. So if the government had any issue, if
37:25
Speaker 14: it had any issue with his comments, it had five
37:27
Speaker 14: weeks to look into it, it could have asked him
37:29
Speaker 14: to clarify. I think this was intentional. I think this
37:33
Speaker 14: may be a manufactured crisis, less to do with who
37:36
Speaker 14: the politician is and more to do with the Albaneze
37:39
Speaker 14: government wanting to show that it's against Israel, that it's
37:42
Speaker 14: pleasing some of their protests we've seen, and that it's
37:45
Speaker 14: created this crisis. And now we've seen, I mean, Israel
37:48
Speaker 14: obviously had to retaliate, and now several Australian diplomats have
37:51
Speaker 14: lost their visas, and potentially this could spiral even more.
37:55
Speaker 14: Maybe the Trump administration will get involved. It's terrible.
38:00
Speaker 3: Who was mister Rothman going to meet and talk to?
38:05
Speaker 14: So we'd prepared a whole schedule for mister Rothman. The
38:08
Speaker 14: purpose of his visit was to meet with some of
38:12
Speaker 14: the victims of anti Semitic attacks. He was going to
38:15
Speaker 14: tour the Dust Israel synagogue that was firebombs. These issues
38:20
Speaker 14: have made big news in Israel when they happened, so
38:23
Speaker 14: there's concern in.
38:24
Speaker 1: The Israeli public and the Israeli government.
38:27
Speaker 14: He was going to address synagogues in Sydney and Melbourne,
38:30
Speaker 14: to speak to school students Jewish schools, and then a
38:33
Speaker 14: series of private meetings with different Jewish.
38:36
Speaker 1: And other leaders.
38:38
Speaker 14: And we'd gone to all these efforts set up an
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Speaker 14: entire program for him. So, of course where we were
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Speaker 14: very shocked with the cancelation. It just completely came out
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Speaker 14: of the blue. We never would have expected. He's not
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Speaker 14: some nobody. He has a senior role in the Israeli government,
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Speaker 14: his chair of a very powerful committee in the nedn
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Speaker 14: Yahoo government. And this is just not how you do diplomacy,
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Speaker 14: diplomacy for amateurs. What we're seeing from the Albanese government.
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke's office and department seems to be trying to
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Speaker 2: paint in or portray him as some sort of nasty
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Speaker 2: right wing radical who has no place coming to Australia,
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Speaker 2: and if he did, he would foment nervousness and disruption
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Speaker 2: of the Muslim community. From what I've seen and read
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Speaker 2: about him, he couldn't be further from the truth. I
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Speaker 2: don't get where they get that characterization of this man.
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Speaker 1: Look, he's a mild mannered guy. That's how he's known.
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Speaker 14: His talks were focused on anti Semitism internal Jewish community events,
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Speaker 14: so they weren't connected to the Middle East conflict. He's
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Speaker 14: not known to be particularly extremist, and in the document
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Speaker 14: from Home Affairs where they refused his visa, the reasons
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Speaker 14: are not for anything particularly extremist. I would think almost
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Speaker 14: all Australians would hopefully agree that the Hamas terrorist organization
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Speaker 14: needs to be eliminated. Other issues they took issue was
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Speaker 14: his judicial reform policies in Israel, which I don't think
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Speaker 14: any Australians care about, let alone refusing someone of eVisa
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Speaker 14: over their law policies in Israel.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we just wouldn't see this.
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Speaker 14: You'd never see the government treat a Chinese politician this way,
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Speaker 14: you wouldn't. The Prime Minister just got off the phone
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Speaker 14: a few days ago from mahmur Abbas, who's the head
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Speaker 14: of the Palestinian Authority.
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Speaker 1: He's a Holocaust.
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Speaker 14: Denier, he wrote his thesis in that and he's also
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Speaker 14: the Palestinian Authority actually funds terrorism and gives money to
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Speaker 14: families of terrorists. And the Prime Minister has no issue
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Speaker 14: with these sort of people, So why is he taking
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Speaker 14: issue with a democratic what was once a close ally
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Speaker 14: of Australia.
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Speaker 2: Have you checked, Robert, how this has been reported back
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Speaker 2: in Israel, this denial of this.
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Speaker 1: So this has made big news in Israel.
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Speaker 14: I've done several interviews with Israeli media on Israeli TV.
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Speaker 1: Israeli's outraged.
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Speaker 14: I think, as we said, Israelis, they love Australia and
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Speaker 14: they love Australians, but they're starting to know Australia because
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Speaker 14: of some of the anti Semitic attacks that have been
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Speaker 14: broadcast around the world, and now this latest incident certainly
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Speaker 14: doesn't help.
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Speaker 1: I mean simple.
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Speaker 14: Rothman is also he visits Europe, he visits the United States.
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Speaker 14: He's never had any issues there, so this is certainly
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Speaker 14: very out of the ordinary and a range of Israeli
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Speaker 14: ministers have issued public statements on it, from the Foreign
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Speaker 14: Minister down, so Israelis know about it. They're concerned, they're
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Speaker 14: worried about what happened to these once close ties between
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Speaker 14: two friendly nations, and how all of a sudden under
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Speaker 14: the Albanese government it's been completely destroyed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, you're not exaggerating there. That's episode correct, Robert,
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. We'll keep an eye on all
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Speaker 2: of that. Thanks a lot. Coming up after the break,
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Speaker 2: the Russian and the Ukrainian presidents. They now agree to
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Speaker 2: peace talks. Could a deal actually be close? Plus Moi
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Speaker 2: redeeming accuses the Victorian Liberal Party president of hypocrisy.
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Speaker 3: That's to come with the panel.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back and coming up, Andrew Bold. Obviously, now it
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Speaker 2: was fascinating television watching today to see history unfold. I
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Speaker 2: watched this morning with Peter Stefanovic and those meetings of
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Speaker 2: the European leaders, a lot of Zelinsky, President Trump, the
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Speaker 2: leaders of Germany and France and the UK. It was
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Speaker 2: like history unfolding before your very eyes. Now Donald Trump's
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Speaker 2: looking now to secure a trilateral meeting, hopefully with the
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Speaker 2: presidents of Ukraine and Russia following that White House meeting
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Speaker 2: this morning. Let's hope he's successful. Here was Ukrainian President
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Speaker 2: Vladimir Zelensky outside the White House after the meeting.
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Speaker 3: It just.
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Speaker 10: Formed.
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Speaker 15: After this productive meeting with President and down with all
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Speaker 15: our colleagues, with the partners who conformed us, we are
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Speaker 15: really for Trei Lasol meeting. And if Russia proposed to
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Speaker 15: President of the United States, Bilateral and Dan, we will
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Speaker 15: see the result of polaterroll and it can be the treilaterroll.
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Speaker 2: Who knows if anybody can trust Putin? But if those
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Speaker 2: three can get together, how great would that be. Let's
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Speaker 2: bring in our panel to discuss this. In more Women's
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Speaker 2: Forum Australia, Stephanie Bastian and author at The Spectator, Terry Barnes.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you both, Terry. I guess that's the thing.
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Speaker 2: Can anyone trusts Vladimir Putin to agree to go to
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Speaker 2: the meeting, and then can you trust anything he agrees
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Speaker 2: to do when he says it at the meeting?
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Speaker 12: Well, we don't know what was said in that forty
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Speaker 12: minute pone call in the middle of this meeting between
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Speaker 12: Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump. Do we certainly. Look, I
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Speaker 12: don't trust the word of mister Putin. I mean, basically,
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Speaker 12: he is determined to hold on to what he's got
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Speaker 12: in Ukraine. He's certainly determined to hold on to the
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Speaker 12: dombas and penetrate that the nests reasons that the strategic
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Speaker 12: crucial parts of Ukraine. He's not prepared to give up anything.
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Speaker 12: I think the fact that vladimirs Lensky got a good
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Speaker 12: reception in the White House today was a good thing.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the fact he wore a.
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Speaker 12: Suit apparently was the deal maker for him. But the
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Speaker 12: fact also that those European leaders were prepared to show
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Speaker 12: some solidarity and actually indicate they're prepared to pull their weight.
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Speaker 12: I mean, look, I think I'm not optimistic, yet I'm
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Speaker 12: hopeful because I think the signs are much better than
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Speaker 12: they were on the weekend when Putin and Trump met
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Speaker 12: in Alaska.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, Sephanie. The big problem is if Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: who is the ultimate deal maker, thinks that the way
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Speaker 2: to get this ceasefire and hopefully a peace deal across
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Speaker 2: the line is to convince Olenski to give up some
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Speaker 2: actual geography, some territory in the area called Dombas. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he couldn't do that Zelenski, he could not do that
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Speaker 2: to his people.
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Speaker 7: Surely, well potentially, but things have been closer than they
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Speaker 7: have been since the war started and the Democrats were
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Speaker 7: in power. I mean, Zelenski and Pudent haven't met since
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Speaker 7: twenty nineteen. And I think, like most people, people the
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Speaker 7: casualties of this war, the civilians and those fighting on
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Speaker 7: the front line and losing their life. So I think
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Speaker 7: whatever it takes to bring a peace steal together. Obviously
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Speaker 7: Zelenski will want some reassurance and a deal that is
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Speaker 7: solid for his country, but whatever brings us close to
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Speaker 7: that bee still, I think everything should be put on
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Speaker 7: the table.
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Speaker 2: Stephanie, speaking of unnecessary wars, the Liberal Party still seems
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Speaker 2: to be very good at having unnecessary wars. Internally, we've
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Speaker 2: got more redeeming. She's now slammed the Victorian Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: president Philip Davis after she was invited to attend a
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Speaker 2: fundraising event for Liberal women. Pretty hypocritical considering she was
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Speaker 2: expelled from the party during her dispute with John Persudo.
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Speaker 7: Look, I think that it's quite unfair for Phil Davis
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Speaker 7: to call for members of the Administive Committee for them
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Speaker 7: to resign while they're trying to sort out these financial
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Speaker 7: issues around the settlement. At the end of the day,
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Speaker 7: the Administive Committee are custodians of the Liberal Party's money
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Speaker 7: and the buck stops with them. So obviously a portion
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Speaker 7: of them feel like that a lot of the details
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Speaker 7: were missing at the time the agreement went through. They
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Speaker 7: didn't support the deal going through, and they want to
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Speaker 7: make sure that the Liberal Party of money is safe.
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Speaker 2: Terry, why can't they sort this stuff out? I mean,
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Speaker 2: we as Victorians sit around here, I write a column
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Speaker 2: in the here un about this last week. You need
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Speaker 2: a decent opposition for goodness sake.
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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, Stephen.
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Speaker 12: Look, I think the Victorian Liberal Party is a political
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Speaker 12: circus run by the clowns, and that's everybody involved in
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Speaker 12: this long term stat between John Pozitto and more Redeeming
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Speaker 12: and everything.
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Speaker 3: That's flown from it.
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Speaker 12: But Philip Davis sending them email to members like you
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Speaker 12: did yesterday, I mean that was a.
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Speaker 3: Declaration of war.
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Speaker 12: I mean, I don't agree with the court case that's
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Speaker 12: going on that he was going on writing about. I mean, really,
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Speaker 12: we've just got to get on and move because what
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Speaker 12: I'm talking as a Victorian liberal. I mean, we have
47:20
Speaker 12: to we have to focus on the Allen government. We
47:23
Speaker 12: have to get rid of them instead of what are
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Speaker 12: we doing with bloody well chatting and talking about ourselves?
47:29
Speaker 12: And I think you know, whether you're a Moira Deeming
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Speaker 12: supporter or a Bazuto supporter or whatever, forget it. Just
47:35
Speaker 12: get on with the job of beating labor.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, said Stephanie.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't much good at school, but forty four percent
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Speaker 2: a year nine boys in Victoria failed to meet the
47:45
Speaker 2: grammar and punctuation standards in nap plan.
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Speaker 3: That's a national disgrace.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's very concerning. I do wonder if the education
47:54
Speaker 7: system isn't quite working for young men. I mean they
47:58
Speaker 7: often struggle to sit for long peace periods of time.
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Speaker 7: You've got classroom sessions that are running for forty five minutes.
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Speaker 7: Perhaps we need to revisit how these classroom settings are
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Speaker 7: playing out. But the other thing that we really need
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Speaker 7: to talk about is smartphones.
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Speaker 4: They are a disaster.
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Speaker 7: They're in the hands of every young person, I mean
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Speaker 7: seventeen percent. I believe the Istral reported of young men
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Speaker 7: are feeling anxiety and depression. This is not normal and
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Speaker 7: parents are complaining that they're paring their hair out of
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Speaker 7: itrit do your job in parents. Stop waiting for government
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Speaker 7: to come and deliver a solution on this. Every parent
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Speaker 7: should be having a conversation with their children, getting the
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Speaker 7: smartphones out, bring the bricks back if they've got part
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Speaker 7: time jobs.
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Speaker 2: But we need to address toolutely. Stephanie, Stephanie Terry. Great
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Speaker 2: to speak to you both. Thank you very much for
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Speaker 2: coming in. Andrew Bolts up next