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The Kenny Report | 20 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Kenny Report tonight the war crimes trial
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  Speaker 2: of Ben Robert Smith.
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  Speaker 1: When will it happen? Is there any chance of a resolution?
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  Speaker 2: We'll get expert analysis, The green energy horror story and
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  Speaker 2: our National.
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  Speaker 1: Energy self harm.
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  Speaker 2: Free to Air Television exposes the government's green dream, the
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  Speaker 2: nation's first first Nation's ambassador takes twenty eight overseas trips
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  Speaker 2: on your coin and what have we got to show
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  Speaker 2: for it?
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  Speaker 1: Anti Semitism rears its ugly head again in the.
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  Speaker 2: UK, will cross the Sophie Elsworth there, plus the latest
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  Speaker 2: on the Middle East, the President and the polls with
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  Speaker 2: Caroline Derusso and Jemmy Tonini.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: I want to share something from Free to Wear Television
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  Speaker 2: last night because it was particularly good in a way.
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  Speaker 2: It's summarized something we've spoken about on this program for years,
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  Speaker 2: something I've spoken and written about for well over a decade,
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  Speaker 2: and that is our national energy self harm. There are
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  Speaker 2: many aspects to this, but what Spotlight focused on brilliantly
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  Speaker 2: last night on Channel seven was the environmental damage both
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  Speaker 2: here and overseas, and the way our renewable energy transition
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  Speaker 2: leaves us heavily reliant on China and its state controlled companies.
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  Speaker 2: Reporter Liam Bartlett has good form on this stuff. Last
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  Speaker 2: year he showed us the pollution and the exploitation of
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  Speaker 2: workers in Indonesia where nichol is refined for ev battery production.
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  Speaker 1: In last night's documentary.
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  Speaker 2: Bartlett took us to Africa, to the Congo, where cobalt
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  Speaker 2: is mined for batteries and other renewables.
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  Speaker 3: Kit Men, women, even children forced to work in medieval
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  Speaker 3: conditions just so countries like Australia can have cobalt for
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  Speaker 3: our renewable energy grid, like the thousands of massive batteries
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  Speaker 3: will need to store all that wind and solar power.
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  Speaker 3: The fact is our clean green dream is a Congolese nightmare.
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  Speaker 3: It's little wonder. They call it blood cobalt.
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  Speaker 2: To shocking, isn't it? The human cost in pursuit of
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  Speaker 2: the renewables dream is horrific.
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  Speaker 3: An unknown number of workers were buried alive in this
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  Speaker 3: mine collapse at Shabara late last year. Now excavators chip
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  Speaker 3: away at the remaining slates of loose rock, not to
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  Speaker 3: recover bodies, but cobalt hawk to ensure its vice like
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  Speaker 3: control over the workers. One Chinese mining company has even
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  Speaker 3: bought the cobalt rich land beneath this village. The deal,
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  Speaker 3: involving local corrupt officials, means everyone who lives here must
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  Speaker 3: mine for cobot. That includes the children, many under the
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  Speaker 3: age of ten.
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  Speaker 2: Look just a startling report from Liam Bartlett and Spotlight
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  Speaker 2: on Channel seven. I'll tell you later how you can
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  Speaker 2: see the whole thing. While they were in Africa, they
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  Speaker 2: tried to get answers from Chinese operatives.
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  Speaker 3: Are you being fair to call the Congolese?
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  Speaker 4: So?
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  Speaker 5: Why are you hiding your face? Incredible people who dominate
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  Speaker 5: the market, they're very, very shy when it comes to
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  Speaker 5: explaining actually how they do it and how they get
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  Speaker 5: all the money in, how they buy it at the
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  Speaker 5: price they dictate and then send it back to China.
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  Speaker 2: This report also took us to Zambia, where it's the
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  Speaker 2: insatiable demand a copper, again driven in large part by
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  Speaker 2: the renewables push that's generating wealth for some at a
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  Speaker 2: heavy cost.
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  Speaker 3: February eighteenth, twenty twenty five, the Chinese built wall of
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  Speaker 3: a massive tailing's storage facility in Zambia's copper belt collapses
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  Speaker 3: catastrophically due to shoddy design and construction. The mine is
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  Speaker 3: owned by Sino Metals, a Chinese government company. The dam
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  Speaker 3: burst caused an unprecedented environmental disaster.
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  Speaker 2: Back in Australia, Spotlight caught up with the work of
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  Speaker 2: Queensland environmentalist Stephen Nawakowski, who we've spoken with over recent
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  Speaker 2: years because of his work mapping the renewables rollout and
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  Speaker 2: the land clearing and forest destruction for wind farms, solar
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  Speaker 2: factories and transmission lines.
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  Speaker 3: Stephen has spent the last four years but devastation our
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  Speaker 3: green revolution is causing.
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  Speaker 6: The latest figure from Minister Bowen is that we need
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  Speaker 6: ten thousand kilometers of transmission lines, we need tens of
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  Speaker 6: thousands of wind towers, and when people start talking about
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  Speaker 6: a green energy superpower for this nation, that sends shiver's
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  Speaker 6: down my spine. To achieve that we need about seven
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  Speaker 6: times a spatial footprint of the state of Tasmania covered
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  Speaker 6: in glass and steel.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll catch up with Steve again tomorrow night. But
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  Speaker 2: also on Spotlight, Liam Bartlett showed us that Australia's original
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  Speaker 2: green Bob Brown was none too keen on plans to
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  Speaker 2: expand a copper mine in the Tasmanian Wilderness.
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  Speaker 7: For the mining corporation run from Beijing.
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  Speaker 1: This is a nothing.
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  Speaker 8: They haven't been here, they haven't seen it, they don't
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  Speaker 8: care about it, They couldn't give a damn about it.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, of course there are many problems economic, environmental, social,
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  Speaker 2: and just practical. As we keep interrogating on this program,
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  Speaker 2: and Channel seven's spotlight also picked up on the point
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  Speaker 2: we keep getting back to how our costly transition and
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  Speaker 2: our tax dollars are actually subsidizing Chinese prosperity.
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  Speaker 3: This one hundred million dollar megabattery under construction in South
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  Speaker 3: Australia is owned by a Chinese state company, Pacific Blue.
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  Speaker 3: But incredibly it's included in Minister Bowen's capacity investment scheme.
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  Speaker 3: Now that means Ossie taxpayers like you and me basically
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  Speaker 3: underwriting a project owned and run by the Chinese government.
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  Speaker 1: Madness, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: It's such a mess, such a case of national self harm.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, once.
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  Speaker 2: You pursue these matters, all roads lead to one particular politician.
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  Speaker 3: Now, why can't you sit down and answer open, honest questions.
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  Speaker 1: I think you need to show a bit more respect
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  Speaker 1: to your colleagues.
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  Speaker 9: This is a full roomer journalist.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone gets one question.
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  Speaker 3: I think everyone here would like to know the answers.
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  Speaker 6: Actually, I think everyone he would like to ask their
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  Speaker 6: own questions behind you.
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  Speaker 3: Our question is pretty simple. Will we come out of
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  Speaker 3: the current energy crisis and our dependence on foreign oil
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  Speaker 3: into a new one where China controls our renewable energy grip?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Good question. We can never get an interview with Chris
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  Speaker 2: Bowen either. He does safe interviews on the green left
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  Speaker 2: taxpayer funded ABC. Bowen just talks nonsense on this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: As you know, and as I keep pointing out, he
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  Speaker 2: either has no clue or is in complete denial. And
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  Speaker 2: his claims that there are no international choke points for
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  Speaker 2: renewables When we rely on China for the turbines, we
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  Speaker 2: rely on China for the solar panels, the batteries, the
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  Speaker 2: transmission kit, the devices and the cars and the charges
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  Speaker 2: of the so called renewables transition, Bowen continues to preside
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  Speaker 2: over a rolling energy shambles. Yeah, it's all bad for us,
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  Speaker 2: all good for China, tragically for Australia. Bowen and Albaum
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  Speaker 2: want to double down on this stuff, and as Liam
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  Speaker 2: Bartlett and Spotlight showed us last night apart from hurting us,
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  Speaker 2: it's leading to environmental degradation and human exploitation in places
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  Speaker 2: like the Congo and Zambia and elsewhere. Now you can
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  Speaker 2: check out that report. That full report spotlights the green dream.
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  Speaker 2: You can see it online via seven plus. And while
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  Speaker 2: you're at it, ask yourself, why our billion dollars a
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  Speaker 2: year public broadcaster, the ABC, why can't it bring itself
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  Speaker 2: to investigate these crucial issues in that way, in the
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  Speaker 2: way that seven has and in the way that we do. Here,
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  Speaker 2: let me give you an update on the position of
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  Speaker 2: Australia's first first nation's ambassador and the outrageous waste of
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  Speaker 2: money on overseas travel. This information comes courtesy of some
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  Speaker 2: good reporting in the Daily Telegraph that tells us the
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  Speaker 2: Ambassador Justin Muhammad, has taken twenty eight trips.
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  Speaker 1: Overseas in three years.
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  Speaker 2: The latest trips took him to Vanuatu and to the
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  Speaker 2: United Arab Emirates, with his earlier travels including the United States, Switzerland, Japan, France,
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  Speaker 2: Fiji and South Korea, among others. Now, this was a
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  Speaker 2: ridiculous appointment in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: A ridiculous position.
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  Speaker 2: Another woke first from the Albanesi Labor government. Australia has
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  Speaker 2: ambassadors and high commissioners in countries all over the world.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. Having
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  Speaker 2: run the Office of the Foreign Minister in the past,
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: Their work very well.
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  Speaker 2: The idea that we should have an ambassador for First
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  Speaker 2: nations people is not only silly, confusing and unnecessary, it's
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  Speaker 2: also obviously devisive.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this bloke goes.
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  Speaker 2: To countries where we already have ambassadors representing Australia and
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  Speaker 2: all Australians.
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  Speaker 1: So who is Justin Muhammad representing?
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  Speaker 2: And the cost is just insulting to hard working Australians.
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  Speaker 2: Under a freedom of information request that Telly was told
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  Speaker 2: the total cost of the ambassadors overseas since his appointment
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  Speaker 2: was three hundred and forty three thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Not bad, is it.
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  Speaker 2: Muhammed has paid four hundred thousand dollars a year and
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  Speaker 2: he's had nearly three hundred and fifty thousand dollars worth
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  Speaker 2: of overseas travel to almost thirty countries.
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  Speaker 1: And it gets worse.
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  Speaker 2: His office has chalked up another four hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars in overseas travel for bureaucrats accompanying him or
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  Speaker 2: doing separate travel. So that's more than eight hundred thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars in travel all up for this position in just
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  Speaker 2: three years. And get this, his office has a staff
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  Speaker 2: of ten people and a budget of well over three
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  Speaker 2: million dollars a year. They might as well be burning
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  Speaker 2: our tax dollars. And one other point that I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: won't have escaped many of you, what is the Albanezi
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  Speaker 2: government doing at the same time that it's funding all
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  Speaker 2: of this utterly useless and indulgent overseas travel. Well, it's
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  Speaker 2: telling you to take public transport, get yourself to town
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  Speaker 2: on public transport to save fuel. It's telling you to
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  Speaker 2: travel less to save fuel. Tell it's even telling you
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  Speaker 2: to take the roof racks off your.
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  Speaker 1: Car to save fuel.
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  Speaker 2: What so, there's plenty of jet full jet fuel leftover
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  Speaker 2: for their overseas travel.
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  Speaker 1: It's one rule for.
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  Speaker 2: Them and their mates, and it's another rule for the
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  Speaker 2: rest of us. Now, remember when Joe Biden was president
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  Speaker 2: and clearly not in full control of his faculties. Remember
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  Speaker 2: how the leftists who dominate the media were making excuses
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  Speaker 2: for him and pretending not only that he was okay,
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  Speaker 2: but insisting that he would run for a second term.
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  Speaker 2: For three years, I was saying, there's no way he'd
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  Speaker 2: run for a second term.
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  Speaker 1: He couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: But the leftists in the US and here of course,
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  Speaker 2: on the taxpayer funded ABC and elsewhere, they were telling
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  Speaker 2: audiences that Biden was fine, effectively lying to their audience
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  Speaker 2: that he was okay and also insisting that he would
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  Speaker 2: run for a second term.
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  Speaker 1: It was ludicrous and dangerous. And let me remind you why.
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  Speaker 10: The best way to get something done if you if
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  Speaker 10: you hold near and dear to you that you like
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  Speaker 10: to be able to.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway. The idea that.
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  Speaker 10: And and and John Shengang she passed for shanga America
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  Speaker 10: is a nation that can be defined in a single word.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to put him to put the pack
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  Speaker 1: and pack into law. Yeah, that fall, he decided to Loo,
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't give any this seriously.
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  Speaker 2: And they were saying that bloke could contest another election
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  Speaker 2: campaign and winner and serve another four years in the
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  Speaker 2: White House. So fast forward to now the second year
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  Speaker 2: of Donald Trump's second non consecutive term in the White House,
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  Speaker 2: and the same people who ran protection for Joe Biden,
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  Speaker 2: and I've shown their utter contempt for Donald Trump, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, every day for the past ten years, while
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  Speaker 2: those people are now trying to tell us that Trump
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  Speaker 2: has lost his marbles. Laura Tingle from the ABC, writing
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  Speaker 2: a usual green left propaganda on their website, had this
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  Speaker 2: to say about the US president that his rambling speeches
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  Speaker 2: and erratic, violent, and profane social media posts have led
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  Speaker 2: to increasing questions about his diminishing mental faculties.
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  Speaker 1: Really, Biden was.
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  Speaker 2: Fine, but Trump has diminishing mental faculties. The thing about
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  Speaker 2: Trump is that he's always been crazy, crazy, brave, crazy, smart,
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  Speaker 2: or just playing crazy, depending.
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  Speaker 1: On your perspective.
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  Speaker 2: But it's pretty amazing to see this complete switch from
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  Speaker 2: the green left medium refusing to hold Biden to account,
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  Speaker 2: and now after failing to get rid of Trump as
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  Speaker 2: a criminal, failing to get rid of him as a
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  Speaker 2: puppet of Russia, and failing to stop him getting democratically reelected,
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  Speaker 2: well now they'll try to get rid of him by pretending.
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  Speaker 1: He's losing his mind.
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  Speaker 2: I think we all know who's lost their minds, and
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  Speaker 2: we know who's done it to them. Looks like we're
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  Speaker 2: seeing yet another stage of Trump derangement syndrome. Let's go
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  Speaker 2: to Canberra now and catch up with the Shadow Communications Minister,
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  Speaker 2: Sarah Henderson. Thanks for joining us, Sarah, appreciate your time.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts firstly on the economy
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  Speaker 2: because we keep hearing about stagflation in this country. We
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  Speaker 2: all know where facing cost pressures and inflation, but there's
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  Speaker 2: just no economic growth to go with it.
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  Speaker 11: Well, Chris, good afternoon. The government has a very big
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  Speaker 11: job to do to rain in its reckless spending, to
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  Speaker 11: bring inflation under control. I don't think a lot of
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  Speaker 11: Australians have got a lot of confidence that the government
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  Speaker 11: can do that when you look at the mad spending
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  Speaker 11: under labor, including of course the ndis fifty billion dollars
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  Speaker 11: and they're tinkering at the edges five billion dollars alone
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  Speaker 11: in fraud. Imagine how people with disability feel knowing that
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  Speaker 11: so many billions of dollars is being defrauded when their
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  Speaker 11: needs perhaps are not being met. So frankly, rather than
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  Speaker 11: impose more taxes on Australians, the government must rain in
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  Speaker 11: its spending.
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  Speaker 1: No doubt about that.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, we'll focus on some detail of the ndis
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  Speaker 2: in the program tomorrow night, but let's have a look
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  Speaker 2: at some of what Jim Chalmers had to say today.
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  Speaker 12: We're obviously considering a whole range of changes in the
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  Speaker 12: tax system, but we haven't changed those policies. We haven't
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  Speaker 12: taken any decisions on those policies, whether the specific ones
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  Speaker 12: you mentioned. There's more work to do on our options
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  Speaker 12: for tax reform in this budget that we do think
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  Speaker 12: that there is intergenerational unfairness in the tax system and
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  Speaker 12: in the housing market.
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  Speaker 2: Sarah Henderson, Labour's idea of tax reform worries me. It
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  Speaker 2: usually means tax increase, which is hardly reform, and what
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  Speaker 2: labor is considering when it comes to the housing crisis
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  Speaker 2: all amounts to increased taxation on housing investment. Surely that's
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  Speaker 2: hardly going to help the problem.
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  Speaker 11: Well, Chris, more taxes on housing is less house for Australians.
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  Speaker 11: I don't think this Treasurer understands that this economy is tanking.
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  Speaker 11: And I have to congratulate you on running excerpts of
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  Speaker 11: Leam Bartlett's story on Spotlight last night. If you look
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  Speaker 11: at the mismanagement of the energy economy in this country
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  Speaker 11: by labor, it is frightening. I really have very serious
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  Speaker 11: fears for the future of this country under labor the
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  Speaker 11: economy is out of control and we have no confidence
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  Speaker 11: that this government is prepared to do the hard work
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  Speaker 11: to rain in spending, which of course means that we
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  Speaker 11: can rain in inflation. We're looking at very high inflation.
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  Speaker 11: We're looking at a real housing crisis, and of course
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  Speaker 11: we've got a few crisis in this country. Energy security
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  Speaker 11: is economic security. We are seeing more and more businesses
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  Speaker 11: moving offshore. They're fleeing like no tomorrow from Victoria. So
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  Speaker 11: this country isn't a terrible state. And that's why under
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  Speaker 11: Angus Taylor, we are very focused on the FUNDA mentals
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  Speaker 11: getting this country back on track with responsible economic management,
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  Speaker 11: getting rid of net zero and delivering for all Australians.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's go to something that might give you a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of comfort, a little bit of encouragement, and
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  Speaker 2: that is the latest opinion polls.
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  Speaker 1: Two major polls out today.
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  Speaker 2: They both show that to support for one Nation is
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  Speaker 2: coming off a little bit just ahead of the coalition
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  Speaker 2: in News poll and level pegging in the Resolve Pole.
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  Speaker 1: Small shifts there, not far outside the margin of error.
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  Speaker 1: I would have thought.
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  Speaker 2: But here's Barnaby Joyce explaining why One Nation might have come.
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  Speaker 1: Off the boil.
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  Speaker 13: I look at the poles, and I suppose that there
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  Speaker 13: was a little bit of bad press, especially around one
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  Speaker 13: of our former staffers. And I understand that, you know
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  Speaker 13: the poles. People say I don't watch the poles. Of course,
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  Speaker 13: will watch the poles. The pole is still higher than
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  Speaker 13: the Coalition, by.
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  Speaker 2: The way, Baby Joyce referring to Shawn Black, the convicted
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  Speaker 2: rapist who's now no longer working for One Nation. But
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  Speaker 2: surely also Angus Taylor has hardened up Coalition stance on
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  Speaker 2: some key issues, including net zero and immigration.
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  Speaker 11: Well, absolutely, Angus has made a very important announcement about
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  Speaker 11: our Australian values immigration policy. We are going to be
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  Speaker 11: very tough on who comes to this country and who
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  Speaker 11: stays in this country. We will not tolerate anyone coming
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  Speaker 11: to this country who hates Australia, who does not subscribe
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  Speaker 11: to our values. So we're working very quickly. We know
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  Speaker 11: we have got a lot of hard work to do,
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  Speaker 11: and certainly the edges come off one nation the hiring
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  Speaker 11: of a convicted rapist, which was a decision by Pauline
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  Speaker 11: hansom was a pretty poor decision and I think one
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  Speaker 11: nation is paying the price for that does not build
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  Speaker 11: confidence in one nation's priorities in my view. But we
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  Speaker 11: don't understate the very tough job that we've got to
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  Speaker 11: do to up for all Australians on every issue. It's
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  Speaker 11: the management of the economy, management of immigration, Netzier and
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  Speaker 11: of course what I've been doing today Chris, which is
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  Speaker 11: prosecuting the case for regional Australians.
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  Speaker 1: As much time left, I wanted to get your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on that.
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  Speaker 2: Still still problems with the rollout of mobile reception around
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  Speaker 2: the country in thirty seconds or less, what needs to
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  Speaker 2: be done.
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 11: The government has a Universal Mobile Outdoor Bill which provides
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  Speaker 11: very little guarantees. It's very big on promises, but it
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  Speaker 11: doesn't include mandatory mobile roaming, which we think is pretty essential.
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  Speaker 11: Every regional Australian deserves the very best regional connectivity and
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  Speaker 11: of course the government has slashed and burned on regional
• 21:48
  Speaker 11: connectivity funds, including the black Spot program, so they really
• 21:51
  Speaker 11: have abandoned regional Australians in so many respects. When it
• 21:55
  Speaker 11: comes to regional comms, which as we know, is essential
• 21:58
  Speaker 11: for safety it's a seel for families and to do
• 22:01
  Speaker 11: business right across the country.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Sarah, appreciate it. Sarah Henderson there,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: who's the shadow Communications Minister? I want to go to
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the Middle East war now. And the United States has
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: seized an Iranian flag oil tanker after it failed to
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: comply with the American Navy's orders as part of the
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: blockade of the Strait of Umu's.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this vision released by the US Central.
• 22:23
  Speaker 14: Command modelska, vacate your engineer, vacate your engineering We're prepared
• 22:31
  Speaker 14: to subject you to dissembling fire.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, there's conflicting reports over whether a second round of
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: ceasefire talks between the US and Iran will go ahead
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: in Pakistan. Here's the latest from Fox News.
• 22:56
  Speaker 15: Negotiations between Vice President jd Vance, Steve Gough, Jerry Kushner,
• 23:01
  Speaker 15: and representatives of the Iranian regime had been set to
• 23:05
  Speaker 15: resume in Islamabad, Pakistan, Tuesday morning, possibly extending into Wednesday.
• 23:11
  Speaker 15: Iran referencing the US naval blockade in the Gulf and
• 23:14
  Speaker 15: that rhetoric coming from the White House seems to indicate
• 23:18
  Speaker 15: they're not even going to show up at the talks
• 23:21
  Speaker 15: its state news agency, blaming in part Washington's excessive demands
• 23:27
  Speaker 15: unrealistic expectations.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Let's go to sky Newsed defense analyst Peter Jennings joins
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: US Life from Camber.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Peter. What's going on
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: at the moment. It's so hard to read from Afar.
• 23:40
  Speaker 16: As far as I can tell, I think what's happened
• 23:42
  Speaker 16: is that the Revolutionary Guard is consolidating its grip on
• 23:46
  Speaker 16: political power in Tehran and they are hardening around Sliine.
• 23:51
  Speaker 16: Perhaps three days ago, four days ago, the Iranian Foreign
• 23:54
  Speaker 16: minister was saying that the strait swimmers could be opened,
• 23:56
  Speaker 16: and now that seems to have completely gone. And indeed
• 23:59
  Speaker 16: we're getting Iranian offensive actions against ships moving in the area.
• 24:04
  Speaker 16: So we're seeing a harder crew emerge as the bosses
• 24:10
  Speaker 16: of the country that seem to be more interested in
• 24:12
  Speaker 16: fighting it out with Trump than in peace negotiations. And
• 24:17
  Speaker 16: for that reason, I think the prospects of a second
• 24:19
  Speaker 16: round of talks in Pakistan is looking pretty low right now.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: So at the moment, any fully laden ships being able
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: to exit the area through the Strait of Hormor's and
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: any vessels risking going.
• 24:32
  Speaker 16: In no, it would seem to be the case. Nothing
• 24:38
  Speaker 16: has moved in the last twenty four hours or so.
• 24:40
  Speaker 16: That Iranian flagged vessel which the Americans destroyed the engine
• 24:45
  Speaker 16: room on, was attempting to evade American warships, and that
• 24:51
  Speaker 16: seems to have been enough to stop others from trying.
• 24:54
  Speaker 16: There seems to be a few which have also turned
• 24:56
  Speaker 16: back because the Revolutionary Guard told them to do so.
• 25:00
  Speaker 16: Now there doesn't appear to be any movements coming out
• 25:03
  Speaker 16: of into or out of the Strait right now.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Well to your pessimistic view of whether or not we'll
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: see ceasefire talks resume, let's have a look at the
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: latest on social media from the President himself, because he's
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: beating his chest again. Donald Trump has said, we're offering
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: a very fair and reasonable deal, and I hope they
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: take it, because if they don't, the United States is
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: going to knock out every single power plant and every
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: single bridge in a run. No more, mister nice guy.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: They'll come down fast, they'll come down easy, and if
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: they don't take the deal, it'll be my honor to
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: do what has to be done, which should have been
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: done to a run by other presidents for the last
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: forty seven years.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: It's time for the Iran killing machine to end.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Now we've heard these threats about bridges and power plants before.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Are we now getting closer to a large scale American mission,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: a large scale American attack again?
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 26:00
  Speaker 16: I think the President realizes that he's kind of in
• 26:04
  Speaker 16: a no win situation here. He can't push the Iranians
• 26:07
  Speaker 16: into negotiating for peace, and so his only option is
• 26:11
  Speaker 16: to continue.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: To prosecute the war.
• 26:14
  Speaker 16: I remain skeptical that if America does start bombing again
• 26:18
  Speaker 16: that what they're going to be doing is going after
• 26:20
  Speaker 16: power plants and those sorts of things.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: More likely, I think.
• 26:25
  Speaker 16: I would suggest, is that they're going to go after
• 26:27
  Speaker 16: a number of islands which are the very top end
• 26:29
  Speaker 16: of the Straight of Hollmos, because that's the location from
• 26:32
  Speaker 16: which the Revolutionary Guard is using first person view drones
• 26:37
  Speaker 16: and speedboats to go after ships. And so I've maintained
• 26:41
  Speaker 16: for some time now that if we're going to see
• 26:42
  Speaker 16: American boots on the ground, it'll be on those islands
• 26:45
  Speaker 16: at the top end of the straits. Then there's a
• 26:47
  Speaker 16: separate target, which is the Iranian Guard leadership in Tehran
• 26:52
  Speaker 16: and also some of the naval leadership in Bandarobas at
• 26:55
  Speaker 16: the top of the Straight of Ullmus, and I think
• 26:58
  Speaker 16: again Trump wants to source Iranian moderates with whom it
• 27:04
  Speaker 16: might be possible to have peace discussions. He's got to
• 27:07
  Speaker 16: get rid of the senior Revolutionary Guard leadership. So there'll
• 27:11
  Speaker 16: be two targets the straits, there's the military leaders and
• 27:15
  Speaker 16: I think in any resumption of American combat operations, they
• 27:19
  Speaker 16: would be the more logical military targets to go for
• 27:22
  Speaker 16: than bridges and power stations.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Peter, I appreciate it. Peter
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Jennings there live from a camera. We are going to
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: take a break. On the other side the Ben Robert
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Smith trial. When will it happen? Is there any chance
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: of a resolution? I'll get some expert analysis.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Ben Roberts Smith has reported to police for the first
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: time since he was released on bail on Friday. Part
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: of his bail conditions demand checking in with police three
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: times a week. Australia's most decorated living soldier is facing
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: five counts of war crimes murder and yesterday vowed to
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: fight the charges.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: All the way.
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: I categorically deny all of these allegations, and while I
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: would have preferred these charges not be brought, I will
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: be taking this opportunity to finally clear my name. I'm
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: proud of my service in Afghanistan. While I was there,
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: I always acted within my values, within my training and
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: within the rules of engagement.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Now this case is not only controversial in legal terms,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: it's incredibly challenge challenging as well, leading the speculation a
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: trial might not even proceed. Let me bring in Bruce Levitt,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: barrister who served forty six years with the Army, finishing
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: in the reserves, where he retired with the rank of colonel.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: He joins me in the studio. Bruce, thanks for joining us.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: There's so much I want to ask you about this case.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Can I just start at the very public arrest of
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Ben Robert Smith at Sydney Airport.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that?
• 29:05
  Speaker 17: I think it was outrageous, Chris, it was absolutely unnecessary.
• 29:09
  Speaker 17: He had volunteered through his lawyers to present himself. I
• 29:14
  Speaker 17: think it appears and smacks very much of being a
• 29:17
  Speaker 17: case where a prosecution is trying to get the benefit
• 29:20
  Speaker 17: of basically home ground is a new South Wales as
• 29:25
  Speaker 17: a state that doesn't have committal hearings, which is beneficial
• 29:28
  Speaker 17: to a prosecution. In addition to that, a larger cosmopolitan
• 29:33
  Speaker 17: jury pool might be less inclined to be sympathetic to him.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a worry on the face of it
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: to me let alone when we found out that Ben
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Robert Smith have actually had actually offered himself up. Now,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: when it comes to getting a trial, one argument put
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: up is that you could never get an objective jury,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: that there's been so much media publicity here through the
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: civil death I May case and others, that everybody will
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: have made up their mind one way or the other.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Is there any prospect then that this would not go
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: to trial because it's impossible to get a decent jury.
• 30:10
  Speaker 17: I don't think so. This is a case that obviously
• 30:15
  Speaker 17: is very well known, it's polarizing. There isn't much precedent
• 30:21
  Speaker 17: for stays because of publicity in cases. I mean, you've
• 30:26
  Speaker 17: just got to look at Lerman to see that. But
• 30:29
  Speaker 17: having said that, I think it's going to be very
• 30:32
  Speaker 17: very hard to find a jury panel where at least
• 30:36
  Speaker 17: one or two people aren't going to will not be
• 30:40
  Speaker 17: prepared to convict Australia's greatest living war hero.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: You're saying it would be very difficult to get a
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: unanimous jury on this.
• 30:50
  Speaker 17: Matter, just about impossible. I don't know why they're proceeding
• 30:53
  Speaker 17: with it.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: You think they're wasting their time with this prosecution.
• 30:57
  Speaker 17: Yeah, they spent three hundred million so far investigating every
• 31:00
  Speaker 17: but in terms of when it comes down to the
• 31:04
  Speaker 17: jury having to decide, I really can't see you anonimous verdict.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I should point out that's three hundred million dollar fig
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: points to the whole sort of war crimes investigation process,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: not singularly on Ben Roberts Smith, but it does get
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: to this broader point of how this nation has invested
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: so much in pursuing its own soldiers for what allegedly
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: occurred in the far away war.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Is there any.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Equivalent process happening in any other army with any other country.
• 31:35
  Speaker 17: There's no other country in the world at the moment
• 31:38
  Speaker 17: that's pursuing its own soldiers to the extent that we are.
• 31:42
  Speaker 17: I mean, compare this with the expense that the United
• 31:46
  Speaker 17: States has just gone to to rescue one down demmon.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: So do you believe that this is an improper use
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: of the government's resources.
• 31:55
  Speaker 17: Look, I don't think you could ever say it's improper
• 31:57
  Speaker 17: to ensure the application of the rules of war.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: But bottom of gone be interrupted.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: The bottom line here is if Ben Robert Smith has
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: done what he is alleged to have done, then we
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: would all want to see a prosecution and just as served. Right, absolutely,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: But you're concerned about the entire process.
• 32:17
  Speaker 17: Look, the process is fatally flawed. You're not going to
• 32:21
  Speaker 17: for reasons I've already said, to find a jury that
• 32:25
  Speaker 17: is prepared to have a unanimous verdict. And you've got
• 32:28
  Speaker 17: other issues. You've got the issue of witnesses coming from
• 32:33
  Speaker 17: or appearing from Afghanistan and you don't know in what
• 32:36
  Speaker 17: circumstance that's happening. You've got other witnesses here who are
• 32:41
  Speaker 17: alleged to have been co offenders and they're getting a
• 32:45
  Speaker 17: free pass on the basis of giving evidence against him.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: To me, these are massive issues.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: For instance, you can there's no physical evidence from Afghanistan
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: whether or not people are terrorists or working with terrorists
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: is a key point. How can you ever test that
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: with anybody in Afghanistan now given it's back in the
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: control of the Taliban. And also this point that you
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: alluded to the revelations on the weekend in The Australian
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: that other soldiers apparently have been offered clemency from their
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: own alleged crimes for their testimony against Ben Roberts Smith.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Is that definitely happening and if it does happen, can
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: that pollute the process?
• 33:26
  Speaker 17: Well, first of all, I don't know if it's definitely happening.
• 33:29
  Speaker 17: Other than what I've read in the papers. It's not
• 33:32
  Speaker 17: clemency they're being offered. It's outright indemnity as I understand it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 17: And yes, a jury would be would treat with some suspicion.
• 33:41
  Speaker 17: I would imagine evidence given by co conspirators, so at.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Least the jury in any trial would be informed of
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: that background. Oh absolutely all right, fascinating, fascinating trial, fascinating issues.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Bruce, I appreciate it. Thanks for
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: having me, Bruce Levett. Theyre obviously a barrister and as
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: you heard, with a long career in the armed forces,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: we need to get to a break.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: On the other side of that, we'll see that anti
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Semitism is really it's ugly head again in the UK,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I'll cross to Sophie Elsworth. Let's go to London and
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: catch up with Sophie Ellsworth of course News Corp correspondent
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: for Europe and Sky News contributor. Great to talk to
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: you again, Sophie, and horrible news out of the UK
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: with this latest attack on a synagogue.
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: That's right, Chris, it's becoming the norm here unfortunately that
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: we are continuing to hear about these attacks on Jewish
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: synagogues and Jewish buildings here in London, and this is
• 34:46
  Speaker 9: just another one.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: We had the chief Rabbi come out over the weekend
• 34:50
  Speaker 9: saying that this is a real concern and that the
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: momentum seems to be building of these London and Prime
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: Minister Secred Sarma has come out and condemned this attack.
• 35:05
  Speaker 9: But Chris, this is continuing to happen here and it
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: seems that there is that Atna anti Semitism that is
• 35:12
  Speaker 9: running rife here in the UK.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: It's just terrible.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to this response from a rabbi
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: before we come back to the Prime Minister.
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: Have looked there was smoke, heavy ware. I'm glad to
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: say that the synagogue was not burnt down. It's a
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: beautiful synagogue, it's the gem off a synagogue. But at
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: the end of the day, I don't think that they've
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: succeeded what they wanted to do.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just terrible stuff, Sophie.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: But you're outside Sir Kiyostama's place there in Downing Street.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Is he under criticism here? Is he under fire as
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: he should be?
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm so critical of our government for not
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: getting on top of anti Semitism and is the mystic
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: extremism over the past two and a half years. It's
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: been even worse in the UK, isn't it.
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: Well, it certainly hasn't been much better than what we've
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: seen in Australia. Chris, and there's been criticism that perhaps
• 36:07
  Speaker 9: he hasn't been strong enough on this issue because he's
• 36:10
  Speaker 9: worried about offending the Muslim vote here in the UK.
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: So incredibly concerning Chris, but unfortunately something that we're seeing
• 36:19
  Speaker 9: regularly happen here because they cannot seem to get on
• 36:22
  Speaker 9: top of these repeated attacks on Jewish communities.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've just got to clarify there and check what
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I was saying. Of course, because the Bondai massac is
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: the worst terrorist attack in this country ever, and of
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: course one of the worst in the world in recent times,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: but in terms of anti Semitism and is a mystic
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: extremism on the streets in the UK. It has just
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: been rampant from before October the seventh and certainly almost
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: every day since October the seventh.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: So just how the British Government.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Has not gone on top of it is just appalling.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Let me go on to another issue that continues to
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: create trouble for the Prime Minister, and that is the
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Mandelsson affair and the fact that he's sent this bloke
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: who's a close ally of Jeffrey Epstein's, to be the
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: ambassador in Washington.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: That hasn't gone away for Keir Starmer.
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: No, it hasn't, Chris, and his job is hanging in
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: the balance because it has been revealed that Lord Peter
• 37:24
  Speaker 9: Manilson failed the vetting tests to be appointed this job.
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: Now he was appointed this very plumb role before the
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: vetting of him was done, and it's now down to
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: what Keir Starmer knew when and what he was divulging
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: and why didn't he tell the House of Commons last
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: week when he was made aware that Lord Manilson failed
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: these vetting checks. Here in the UK. This is incredibly
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: problematic for Sir Keir's starmer. He's got his competitors nipping
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: at his heel wanting his job, Chris, but he could
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: well be ousted and lose his Prime ministership over this.
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: This is diabolical for the British government.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Now, this is quite incredible because just to explain that
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: the people, if they're not aware of this, if you're
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: going to get security clearance, there's quite an investigation into
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: your personal life. I've had top secret security clearance myself
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: of course to work in the Foreign Minister's office. So
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: they have a look into your background and they interview you.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: They might be concerned if you have any gambling debts
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: or any hidden aspects of your life that you could
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: be blackmailed with. And the story here is that Mendelssohn
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: failed the security check, but the Prime Minister who appointed
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: him wasn't told.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Just extraordinary. Here is sequistama.
• 38:46
  Speaker 18: That I wasn't told that it failed security vetting when
• 38:49
  Speaker 18: I was telling Parliament that due process have been followed
• 38:53
  Speaker 18: is unforgivable. Not only was I not told, no minister
• 38:58
  Speaker 18: was told. I'm up absolutely furious about that. What I
• 39:02
  Speaker 18: intend to do is to go to Parliament on Monday
• 39:05
  Speaker 18: to set out all the relevant facts in true transparency,
• 39:09
  Speaker 18: so Parliament has the full picture, Sophi.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: One of the most important diplomatic appointments in the UK
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: system fails a security assessment and the PM says nobody knew.
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: Well, Chris, there's a big problem here because it's not
• 39:26
  Speaker 9: a secret. But Lord Peter Manilson was very good friends
• 39:30
  Speaker 9: with Jeffrey Epstein.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: You only had to jump onto Google.
• 39:33
  Speaker 9: You found that well before he was appointed this role.
• 39:37
  Speaker 9: So many people are arguing here that Keirs Starmer had
• 39:41
  Speaker 9: ample information prior to his appointment. Yeah, Meta, any vetting
• 39:46
  Speaker 9: checks this was not secretive. As a result, he sacked
• 39:50
  Speaker 9: many people around him. Many people have gone and now
• 39:54
  Speaker 9: the knives are out, so he is hanging onto.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Chris.
• 40:01
  Speaker 9: I wouldn't be surprised if there's a change of Prime
• 40:03
  Speaker 9: minister here, perhaps not this week, but very much in
• 40:06
  Speaker 9: the coming weeks, if not months.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Incredible stuff, Sophie. Thanks for getting up early for us.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people going through that front door
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: to number ten. Perhaps you should just try and walk
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: through there too and sort them out for us. Thanks
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: for joining us, Sophie, Sophie Ilsworth there in London all
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: over it for us as usual.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: We're going to get to a break on the other side,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Gemutine Union, Caroline Drew, so we'll join.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Us as one nation's in the support in the polls
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: takes a bit of a dip down. Let's get into
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: our panel of uncommon wisdom here on a Monday night.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Gematonie joins me on the desk and carolineas in Perth.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Up to eleven. Well, let's start off on some good news.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: I just want to get your thoughts on the Channel
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: seven Spotlight program last night, fantastic report by Leam Butler,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: the fellow West Australian of course, actually go to the
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: places where a lot of this renewable energy in the
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: minerals are being mined and seeing how people are being exploited,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: environments are being exploited and mainly through Chinese investment, Chinese
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: government companies.
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  Speaker 1: You'll take on it general.
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  Speaker 19: I mean, this is the inconvenient truth that nobody who
• 41:18
  Speaker 19: is a renewable zelot wants to actually confront and nobody
• 41:22
  Speaker 19: who is a renewable zellot. Classic case, our current Energy
• 41:26
  Speaker 19: Minister has the capacity to engage in a rational, clinical,
• 41:31
  Speaker 19: sensible way. I mean, I remember my dark days as
• 41:34
  Speaker 19: a teslaur ownA Chris, and I remember having this conversation
• 41:37
  Speaker 19: waiting for a charging port, which is my lot in life,
• 41:41
  Speaker 19: with a fellow EV owner and said, I felt really
• 41:43
  Speaker 19: uncomfortable knowing the sort of stuff that Liam's report highlighted
• 41:47
  Speaker 19: last night, and this guy didn't want to know about it.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: But it's the truth.
• 41:51
  Speaker 19: I you know, Australians having a reckoning and it's either
• 41:56
  Speaker 19: range anxiety or fights for charging ports or the bottom
• 41:59
  Speaker 19: falling out of the the EV market. It is what
• 42:02
  Speaker 19: it is, and this is the truth.
• 42:04
  Speaker 20: Unfortunately, sure as Caroline, with those environments being degraded in
• 42:10
  Speaker 20: Africa and so many people, including children, being exploited and
• 42:15
  Speaker 20: even killed in these mining operations, surely our national.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Broadcast of the ABC will be onto this pretty soon.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Oh we all wish.
• 42:24
  Speaker 21: But I was having this precise conversation with someone after
• 42:28
  Speaker 21: having watched the documentary. Top marks to Liam Bartlett, such
• 42:32
  Speaker 21: a great job, moons Ago. I used to do a
• 42:35
  Speaker 21: bit of radio with Liam, and you know he's excellent.
• 42:38
  Speaker 21: He will ask the questions that need to be asked
• 42:40
  Speaker 21: and not too fussed about how much squirming goes on
• 42:43
  Speaker 21: on the other side, So well done to Liam for
• 42:46
  Speaker 21: delving into this, because it is very inconvenient. The ABC
• 42:50
  Speaker 21: won't deal with it because it is inconvenient. The ABC
• 42:54
  Speaker 21: don't want to deal with it because it cuts across
• 42:57
  Speaker 21: the ideology and the narratives that they have been prosecuting
• 43:01
  Speaker 21: for years. So they would essentially be shooting their proverbial
• 43:05
  Speaker 21: off if they did so. But the simple fact of
• 43:08
  Speaker 21: the matter is is that this information is relevant for
• 43:13
  Speaker 21: people within policy, for people within the political class, and
• 43:16
  Speaker 21: for voters to be able to make informed decisions. Because
• 43:20
  Speaker 21: this whole we have to save the environment, but we
• 43:23
  Speaker 21: have to murder all the koalas in the process. I'm
• 43:25
  Speaker 21: not sure would really sit well with too many people.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Indeed, speaking of voters, I do want to go to
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: the latest opinion.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Polls showing us that voters Gemma are.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Turning off one nation to a degree that the edges
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: come off some of their polling, dropping three percent. In Newspole,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: they're running a level with the coalition in the Resolve
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Pole still ahead of the coalition in news poll. Is
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: there a sense that either the coalition has firmed itself
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: or one nation has lost some attraction?
• 43:55
  Speaker 19: Oh, possibly both I think it's what you call a
• 43:57
  Speaker 19: market correction.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 43:59
  Speaker 19: As they say, the trend is your friend, Let's see
• 44:01
  Speaker 19: what the next poll does. I do think one thing
• 44:04
  Speaker 19: is true, and this is anecdotal. It's by no means
• 44:07
  Speaker 19: empirical evidence, but it's certainly anecdotal. A friend of mine
• 44:10
  Speaker 19: was talking who lives in Western Australia listens to the
• 44:13
  Speaker 19: ABC radio for their sins and says that they're hearing
• 44:16
  Speaker 19: an increasing number of One Nation voters who are also
• 44:21
  Speaker 19: ABC radio listeners. This is the wo market ringing up
• 44:24
  Speaker 19: and outing themselves. It's like fight club. Nobody used to
• 44:26
  Speaker 19: talk about fight Club. Now they're talking about it. The
• 44:30
  Speaker 19: disdain for the government I don't think is going anywhere soon.
• 44:35
  Speaker 19: And as I think personally, there's a conger line of
• 44:38
  Speaker 19: manure sandwiches facing this government in coming months and years.
• 44:42
  Speaker 19: And Jim Chalmers can blame the war, and he can
• 44:45
  Speaker 19: blame this, and we can blame that, but it's essentially
• 44:48
  Speaker 19: terrible economic management, terrible policy broadly that has got us.
• 44:52
  Speaker 19: If the Iran War wasn't happening right now, the only
• 44:55
  Speaker 19: thing that would really change is access to fuel. That's
• 44:58
  Speaker 19: really the only thing the the inflation. Roy pressure is
• 45:01
  Speaker 19: coming from unbridled government spending. The RBA says that every
• 45:05
  Speaker 19: economist at every major bank says that, but the government says,
• 45:08
  Speaker 19: look over there, Trump's really mean.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: It's self harm and so far none of their correctives
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: are the right ones.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: They're doubling down on all the bad policies they don't
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: know to do terrible stuff.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: But what they do do is even cabinet ministers, who
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: you think would have a lot of pressure on their time,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: they have time to go on to social media and
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: tell us that they're really just like everybody else, and
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: you know they understand our woes and.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: That's why they're fighting for us. People like Claire O'Neill
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: have a look.
• 45:38
  Speaker 13: Mums of Australia.
• 45:40
  Speaker 10: We did it.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: My job is really big and really hard, but for
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: some reason, none of the things that I do with
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: in my work life come close to the level of
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: intense stress that trying to combine work and parenting creates
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: in my life.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Here here's Caroline.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: They're celebrating the fact she got through school holidays, her
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: show for driven Car with her electorate office support staff
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: and her ministerial office support staff and her four hundred
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars salary and somehow she managed to get by.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: She's just like the rest of us.
• 46:13
  Speaker 21: Yeah, and don't forget the house that mummy and daddy
• 46:15
  Speaker 21: helped her buy. So look, I don't think anyone really
• 46:19
  Speaker 21: wants to see it, and particularly doing your laundry like
• 46:21
  Speaker 21: we all do our laundry. Chris, You know there are
• 46:24
  Speaker 21: certain things that you know last time she was unpacking
• 46:27
  Speaker 21: her fridge while she did a video. You know, it
• 46:30
  Speaker 21: doesn't it doesn't convince everyday people that they are like us.
• 46:35
  Speaker 21: This here is just a performance. And most of us
• 46:37
  Speaker 21: when we're putting away our laundry, we don't have a
• 46:41
  Speaker 21: tripod and a phone on.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Our pitch spot on and breaking news. Clear O'Neill.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Kids can do their own laundry, even twelve of your
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: old boys like kid, you not.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I see it with my own eyes. Now.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: I want to go to our first nation's ambassador, Gemma.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I talked about this at the top of the show.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: We know it was a ridiculous appointment. We know it's
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: paid four hundred thousand dollars. All these bureaucratic jobs are
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: but twenty eight trips overseas at a cost of taxpayers
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: of eight hundred thousand when you're open the office as well.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: It's just out million bucks on travel and what would
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: deliver for our country?
• 47:14
  Speaker 19: Well, what's his job? Like, what's his KPI for that
• 47:18
  Speaker 19: million bucks? What are we taxpayers getting? What is this
• 47:21
  Speaker 19: person doing that established ambassadors can't do. Obviously they're a
• 47:27
  Speaker 19: First Nations person. I respect that, but I don't respect
• 47:30
  Speaker 19: eight hundred thousand dollars on travel. I don't think he's
• 47:34
  Speaker 19: staying at the holiday ee.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think he gets good flights.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: He says.
• 47:38
  Speaker 19: The thing across this government we've seen, we're talking about
• 47:41
  Speaker 19: spending before. There is no respect. Clara O'Neil wants to
• 47:44
  Speaker 19: go crack a cold he mate while someone films me
• 47:47
  Speaker 19: and oh, you know, congratulations mums of Australia, we made
• 47:51
  Speaker 19: it through the school holidays. How tone deaf is this government?
• 47:54
  Speaker 19: She made a point of single parents. If you're a
• 47:56
  Speaker 19: single parent trying to make ends meet, you don't have
• 47:58
  Speaker 19: time for that.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Kind of performative.
• 48:01
  Speaker 19: A million bucks on traveler before you spare me.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Don't worry, but the First Nation's ambassador is fighting for you, Australia,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: fighting for you.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: What a joke?
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Caroline and Jemma appreciate it. We'll
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: catch up with you next Monday, just time for a
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: little bit of your feedback on Chris Bowen and the
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: fuel crisis. Jack says, everyone start preparing to see some
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: real hard times thanks to the government's mismanagement, Echoing what
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Jemma just said that another viewer says, don't ask the
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: man who was trying to ban fossil fuels to produce fuel.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Bowen is out of his depth on this one.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: He certainly is. He is right out of his depth.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: He's right out of our depth too, and things are
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: going to get a lot lot worse before they get better.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow night. Here's Peter Quidlin.