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D4VD CAUGHT ON VIDEO WITH "HUMAN FINGER," DEMANDS GLOW-UP · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Bombshell. Tonight, the musician D four VD aka Anthony Burke
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Speaker 1: caught on video with a human finger. This as from
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Speaker 1: behind bars. He D four VD demands his own personal
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Speaker 1: glam squad. Yes he won'ts say, glow up a makeover
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Speaker 1: for the courtroom. Good evening, I means he grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us.
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Speaker 2: Today.
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Speaker 3: I am announcing the charges against David Anthony Burke in
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Speaker 3: connection with the brutal and horrific murder of Celeste.
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Speaker 1: There was a motive for Celest's murder, that there was
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Speaker 1: no accidental overdose. Doesn't he have bigger fish to fry,
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Speaker 1: other things to worry about? Shouldn't he gnashing his teeth
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Speaker 1: and twisting his tail about the evidence pouring in against him?
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Speaker 1: This as we learn the FEDS are eyeing jurisdiction. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you don't play with the Feds because they don't play
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Speaker 1: with you. If the Feds are in on this, and
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Speaker 1: I have reason to believe they may be, and I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you why. With our attorney Randolph Rice, he's in,
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Speaker 1: let's just say, a whole heap of trouble. But instead
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Speaker 1: he's orchestrating a glow up from behind bars. We'll get
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Speaker 1: to that, but first is D four VD the multi
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Speaker 1: millionaire musician caught on camera wrapping up a human finger.
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Speaker 4: David Lord, they living currently wrapping up the one and
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Speaker 4: only original Secuna's Finger from Jujusu Cursin and Residency t
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Speaker 4: do some vocal warmos.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I need to see that again. He apparently is
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Speaker 1: wrapping up a finger.
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Speaker 4: Let me see it again, David Log day Levin currently
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Speaker 4: wrapping up the one and on the original Secuna's Finger
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Speaker 4: from Jujusu Curzin and Residency t to some vocal warmots.
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Speaker 1: That is from the D four VD tour video. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me get the dates right. Joining me Susan Hendricks,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, journalist, author of a bestseller, Down the Hill,
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Speaker 1: My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi. Susan Hendricks,
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Speaker 1: he was going on tour, remember Celesti was murdered just
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Speaker 1: before his Withered tour. He was getting ready for the
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Speaker 1: tour and he was putting out all types of promotional videos.
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Speaker 1: She was murdered just before he dropped the album and
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Speaker 1: went on the tour, and after intense public outcry after
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Speaker 1: Celest's body is found in his tesla. Let's just refresh
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Speaker 1: everyone's collection and show the tesla in the impound parking
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Speaker 1: lot where it smelled so badly they opened the trunk
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Speaker 1: and found the dead body. Why, Susan Hendrix is he
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Speaker 1: wrapping what appears to be a human finger.
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Speaker 5: I think everything with this guy is symbolic. He's shoving
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Speaker 5: it in our faces. So let's say it's a human
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Speaker 5: figure or plastic finger. I think he knows what he's
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Speaker 5: doing because, as you know, ce Let's fingers were not
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Speaker 5: found when her body was discovered, two of her fingers,
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Speaker 5: so I think he was enabled. He did what he
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Speaker 5: wanted to do. He had merged that had blood all
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Speaker 5: over white shirts. He pulled that once cops started searching
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Speaker 5: his house months later. But I think he did what
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Speaker 5: he wanted to do, and he had the support of
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Speaker 5: an entourage.
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Speaker 1: Guys, you're seeing video from dfour D's tour on TikTok.
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Speaker 1: Is this part of the promotional video he's pushing out
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Speaker 1: there that looks to be in his home where we
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Speaker 1: believe Isn't this right? Dave Matt, Crime Story's investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: According to the court documents, prosecutors are saying she Celeste
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Speaker 1: was killed in that home where we believe that finger
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Speaker 1: wrapping video was recorded. He's like, what a few feet
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Speaker 1: away from where she was murdered and disarticulated.
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Speaker 6: As disgusting as it sounds, absolutely right, Nancy, April twenty third,
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Speaker 6: ten o'clock at night, just after that's when investigators say
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Speaker 6: D four VD killed Celeste Reeves right after she arrived
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Speaker 6: at his home. And then, as you see in this video,
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Speaker 6: do you really think somebody who has his biggest hit
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Speaker 6: romantic homicide, in all of the blood and imagery that
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Speaker 6: he has in his work, is not rapping a trophy.
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Speaker 1: Jumping off what Susan Hendricks and Dave Matck have just
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Speaker 1: told us. Joseph Scott Morgan joining US Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University. He is the author of the bestseller Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon. He is the star of
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Speaker 1: a hit podcast, Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan, but
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Speaker 1: for our purposes tonight and typically. He is a death
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Speaker 1: investigator who I met through his role as a death
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Speaker 1: investigator when I was prosecuting. I think it was a
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Speaker 1: double homicide. I know it was a homicide. I know
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Speaker 1: that much. Joe Scott Morgan has handled over ten thousand
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Speaker 1: death scenes. Just let that sink in for one moment,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan. I know you've been watching on your
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Speaker 1: monitor D fourvdaka David Anthony Burt, the multi millionaire singer Celeste,
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Speaker 1: his little girlfriend was his muse. I'm Joe Scott. Look
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Speaker 1: at your monitor. Look at celeste finger in life. Do
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Speaker 1: you notice it's got an engagement ring on it and
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Speaker 1: the tattoo the word David. Isn't it true Scott that
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Speaker 1: that ring finger was gone, It had been amputated from
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Speaker 1: her when her remains were found. How hard was it
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Speaker 1: for the meme to make sense of that gelatinous glue
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Speaker 1: goo that was found in de forby D's trunk.
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Speaker 7: Very difficult.
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Speaker 2: It's one of the most difficult things that forensic pathologists
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Speaker 2: can do when you have a body that is in
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Speaker 2: this advanced state of decomposition. To add to this, you know,
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Speaker 2: we're we're always trying to pick up on clues, Nancy,
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Speaker 2: with you know, what is the body telling us, you know,
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Speaker 2: with all that remains, if you will and when you
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Speaker 2: come across this and they definitively said this, Nancy, They
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Speaker 2: said that those those elements of her hand were in
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Speaker 2: fact missing. Well what does that mean, Well, it's it's
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Speaker 2: not connected to decomposition. Okay, just so that everybody understands
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Speaker 2: that upfront, because there's been a lot of speculation about this.
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Speaker 2: They have physical evidence that gives you an indication that
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Speaker 2: this was something that was probably facilitated by the use
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Speaker 2: of a tool and in forensic it's one of the
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Speaker 2: things that we do. We rely heavily upon our friends
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Speaker 2: in the tool mark section of any crime lab. So
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Speaker 2: they've got evidence, i think probably on the remnant, the
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Speaker 2: skeletal remnant that is left behind, and it's going to
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Speaker 2: be very definitive. Now, what does this tell us about him?
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Speaker 2: I can't really say that because I'm not a profiler,
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Speaker 2: but when I see elements that are missing, I've had
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Speaker 2: cases where individuals have.
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Speaker 1: Scott.
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Speaker 7: Look right right.
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Speaker 1: There there is Celeste, Yeah, with her little engagement ring.
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Speaker 1: And wait till you hear the text. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: read them out by her little brother about how D
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Speaker 1: four VD promised her they were getting married as soon
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Speaker 1: as she turned eighteen. Okay, go ahead.
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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is is that I've had cases in
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Speaker 2: the past where individuals just like my friend Dave mentioned
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Speaker 2: just a second ago, taking trophies. You know now whether
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Speaker 2: or not whether or not that bit that he had
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Speaker 2: in his hands there where he's wrapping it up, just
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Speaker 2: the fact that he's referencing a human finger is significant
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Speaker 2: to me because as an investigator, I'm looking at this.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be really interesting if we could get our
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Speaker 2: hands or the investigative authorities could get their hands on that,
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Speaker 2: because this goes to a pattern, doesn't it.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Scott, just wait till I show you the anime
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Speaker 1: video he created and dropped on her birthday of slicing
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Speaker 1: a girl's arm off. Okay, just wait for that with
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Speaker 1: baby breath. But I was headed straight out to Randolph Rice.
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Speaker 1: But hold, Karen Stark, Joe Scott is right. We definitely
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Speaker 1: need a shrink, and we need it now. Karen Stark
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Speaker 1: is with us a renowned TV and radio trauma experts.
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Speaker 1: She is a forensic psychologist you can find at Karenstark
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Speaker 1: dot com. That's not all she does, even into the night.
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Speaker 1: She has private patients, private clients, and I want to
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Speaker 1: thank you for making time to be with us tonight.
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark Okay, Karen, I really don't know how to
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Speaker 1: verbalize all the thoughts colliding in my head. This little
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Speaker 1: girl is found without her ring finger and with that
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Speaker 1: engagement ring on it, and then here he is on
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Speaker 1: video wrapping up what appears to be a human ring finger.
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Speaker 8: Nancy, everything that's been said is so true, and I
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Speaker 8: want to just put it all together because think about
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Speaker 8: this as a trophy, and it definitely seems to me
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Speaker 8: that that's what's happening. This is a trophy, and he
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Speaker 8: wants people to know that he is wrapping up a finger.
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Speaker 8: He thinks it's funny. He's able to turn it into
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Speaker 8: an object, as as Joe was saying that it is
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Speaker 8: not a person, it's just a finger, and as though
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Speaker 8: his unconscious is speaking to us and telling us I
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Speaker 8: did something terrible. I want to do something terrible, and
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Speaker 8: I'm going to treat it like it doesn't mean anything,
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Speaker 8: so I won't worry about the fact that I'm revealing
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Speaker 8: what happened. So he's speaking to us through this video,
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Speaker 8: and it's just heartless cold. It's so much an indication
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Speaker 8: of an antisocial personality. What we know happens to be
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Speaker 8: true about a psychopath.
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Speaker 1: You know when I look at the four VD. John Bueller,
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Speaker 1: renowned investigator, former detective with a modesto PD. Now he
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Speaker 1: was thirty one years and robbery and homicide, but shot
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Speaker 1: to fame as one of the lead detectives Andy Scott
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Speaker 1: Peterson investigation. Peterson his pregnant wife Lacy, and killed their
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Speaker 1: unborn child, Connor Bueler. How am I going to compare
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Speaker 1: D four VD to Scott Peterson? This is how I
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Speaker 1: know you're in your vehicle out on the street. But John,
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Speaker 1: look at your phone video because I'm showing him wrapping
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Speaker 1: that finger again and again and again. And I want
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Speaker 1: you to think back on Scott Peterson. Okay, Scott Peterson,
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Speaker 1: even though he knows he murdered Lacy and Connor and
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Speaker 1: disposed of their bodies, putting them attached to cement blocks
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Speaker 1: and dropping them to the bottom of the San Francisco Bay,
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Speaker 1: he continued with his arrogant behavior. He ordered the porn channel.
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Speaker 1: He knew she wasn't coming back home. You know what
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Speaker 1: kind of h and double l I'd raise if I
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Speaker 1: came in and my husband had ordered the porn channel. Oh,
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Speaker 1: he put the house up for sale. He tried to
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Speaker 1: sell her vehicle, and he continued his sex affair with
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Speaker 1: a completely unassuming, unsuspecting young lady amber Fry and lying, lying, lying,
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Speaker 1: trying to blame other people, the arrogance, even returning to
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Speaker 1: the scene repeatedly to gaze out onto the bay. What
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Speaker 1: was he looking for? Her body pop to pop up? Well,
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Speaker 1: it did. The arrogance of Scott Peterson and D FORVD
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Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke putting out a video wrapping up a
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Speaker 1: human finger when Celeste's finger was amputated.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Nancy, there's a lot of similarities to both of
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Speaker 3: these guys, a incredible arrogance on both of their parts,
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Speaker 3: and that's a good thing for detectives and investigators, and
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Speaker 3: especially for the prosecutors because that arrogance helps build the
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Speaker 3: case when they think they're above being caught. And Scott
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Speaker 3: certainly had that. He didn't think that anybody would be
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Speaker 3: able to get him on this. He'd be thought he
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Speaker 3: had a good out and it wasn't. And same thing
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Speaker 3: with the D four VD. He's he's just so arrogant
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Speaker 3: about all these things, creating an alibi with the uber
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Speaker 3: I believe celeste passport card was found up there in
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Speaker 3: Santa Barbara. So he's doing all sorts of things after
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Speaker 3: the murder to cover it up and make it look like.
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Speaker 7: She was out on her own.
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Speaker 3: She did have a little bit of a history of
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Speaker 3: running away to join up with him, and with that
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Speaker 3: it's easily dissected and broken up when she doesn't come back.
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Speaker 3: And that's what we have with this incredible arrogance. I'm
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Speaker 3: not going to get caught. I'm above this. I'm famous,
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Speaker 3: I'm a singer, I'm a rapper or whatever, and I've
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Speaker 3: got my aunt Tarage is going to cover for me.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of arrogance, Susan Hendricks's joining US investigative journalist. Is
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Speaker 1: it true and if so, why does dfour VD believe he,
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Speaker 1: out of all the thousands of people in lock up,
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Speaker 1: should get a glow up a gland squad? What is happening?
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Speaker 5: Yes, Joe Scott mentioned disassociation to the one hundredth degree.
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Speaker 5: I think it's very telling that he asked for it,
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Speaker 5: but also who asked for it.
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Speaker 1: His quote unquote team.
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Speaker 5: Asked the judge, saying, hey, he needs new clothes, haircut.
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Speaker 5: Los Angeles Supreitor Court judge did tell the Sheriff's department
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Speaker 5: kind of compromising on the last one. Give him a haircut,
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Speaker 5: not close to the haircuts I'm sure he's used to,
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Speaker 5: but still has that close knit team stepping in for him.
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Speaker 5: Asking the court get him new clothes.
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Speaker 1: To Dave Mac joining us from crime stories, Dave, what
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Speaker 1: exactly is he asking for?
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Speaker 6: He is asking to be allowed to wear his kind
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Speaker 6: of clothing in court, you know, button down shirt and
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Speaker 6: not jail clothes. Also asking for a very specific hairstyle
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Speaker 6: to be done, as you mentioned earlier, a glow up
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Speaker 6: to make him look like he looks when he's not
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Speaker 6: in It looks like they are going to approve a haircut.
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Speaker 7: But nothing more than that, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: But the gut, the just asking to have this incredible
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Speaker 6: glow up to have an appearance in front of the
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Speaker 6: jury or potential jury or court.
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Speaker 7: It's just ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, Dave, Matt you got it about ninety
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Speaker 1: five percent right. Randolph Rice joining us, high profile lawyer
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Speaker 1: out of Baltimore, former prosecutor now veteran criminal defense and
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Speaker 1: civil lawyer, at Rice Mirtha and sous Randolph Rice. First
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Speaker 1: of all, it's not time for the jury trial. Dave
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Speaker 1: Mac had it right. He wants to glow up. He
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Speaker 1: wants to glam squad his team. I guarantee you, as lawyers,
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Speaker 1: didn't know this was happening. Demand a new hairstyle and
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Speaker 1: fresh clothes, designer clothes for his appearance. There's not a jury,
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Speaker 1: it's a preliminary hearing. H E double L. Let me clarify,
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Speaker 1: h E L L hal No. Why is he not
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Speaker 1: getting his designer threads.
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Speaker 9: Well, he's not getting his designer threads because, just as
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Speaker 9: you said, Nancy, the judge does not care about how
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Speaker 9: he looks because there's no jury there. But I will say,
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Speaker 9: from a defense standpoint, or from his standpoint and his
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Speaker 9: team standpoint, this might be one of the first smart
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Speaker 9: moves they are making here because not only is this
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Speaker 9: case going to be tried in the courtroom, but I
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Speaker 9: think this case is gonna be tried in the public.
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Speaker 9: And remember down the road, as his defense attorneys are
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Speaker 9: going to have to pick a jury, it may help
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Speaker 9: to have a good light on him moving forward.
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Speaker 1: Put him up a good light. What you know and
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Speaker 1: I know you know, I know your career very well.
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Speaker 1: He is not entitled to street clothes as we call them,
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Speaker 1: unless there's a jury. No didn't you see Brian Coberger
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Speaker 1: asking for the same thing. No, was the answer in
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Speaker 1: D four vd's not getting it either, But that didn't
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Speaker 1: stop his team from trying, did it.
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Speaker 7: It didn't.
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Speaker 9: And as my mother always said, if you don't ask,
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Speaker 9: you don't get, so why not ask? It doesn't hurt. Look,
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Speaker 9: the defense team and his team are going to ask
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Speaker 9: every single question, every single thing that they can try
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Speaker 9: to get over on the state, and I would do
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Speaker 9: the same thing. They need to try to take advantage
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Speaker 9: of every single opportunity, every single appearance. He needs to
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Speaker 9: come out there looking the best he possibly can to
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Speaker 9: have that favorable light on him as he moves forward
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Speaker 9: with this.
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Speaker 1: Trial, favorable light. Instead of getting a glow up with
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Speaker 1: his glam squad behind bars, he should probably be worried
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Speaker 1: about the evidence, such as putting out a video of
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Speaker 1: him wrapping up what appears to be a human finger.
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Speaker 1: Of course it's not a human finger. Well, I hope
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Speaker 1: it's not a human finger. I don't think it's a
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Speaker 1: human finger. I think it's a toy or a replica.
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Speaker 1: But that said, he's putting out the bad vibes. Yeah, oh,
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Speaker 1: thank you, there he is again. That's him wrapping up
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Speaker 1: what appears to be a withered human finger, but is
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Speaker 1: likely a toy replica. The point is he is shooting
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Speaker 1: himself in the foot. And another thing, while I've got you,
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Speaker 1: Randolph Rice, he's not asking for his regular clothes. Let's
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Speaker 1: see some photos of what d FORBD usually wears. He's
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Speaker 1: not asking for that. No, he wants designer clothes. He
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Speaker 1: wants Oh yeah, that is not how he wants to
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Speaker 1: appear in court. He wants to wear a pair of
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Speaker 1: dress slacks and a button down. Right, I've never seen
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Speaker 1: him in a button down. He wants to present a
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Speaker 1: false facade to spectators. What about it, Randolph.
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Speaker 9: Bus genius, genius. I think it's a good move on
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Speaker 9: his defense part, in his team's part. And let me
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Speaker 9: just say one thing about this finger. Everybody's talking about
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Speaker 9: this is this is something that's going to hurt his case.
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Speaker 9: I can tell you his attorneys, and if I was
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Speaker 9: attorney too, I would be going to the mat filing
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Speaker 9: a motion lemonade, which did you know, Nancy, is just
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Speaker 9: a motion to exclude evidence. That video never sees the
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Speaker 9: light of day in a corum because it is irrelevant
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Speaker 9: unless the prosecutors can prove that that has something to
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Speaker 9: do with Celeste, with the victim. In this case, it
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Speaker 9: is not coming into court.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Randolph Rice, I recall a serial killer
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Speaker 1: I prosecuted. He always picked on He always selected very similar,
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Speaker 1: physically similar women. And when I had a reconstruction draw
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Speaker 1: a photo or a sketch of my dead victims, she
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Speaker 1: was a Jane Doe, but they could make out what
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Speaker 1: she would have looked like in life. And I brought
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Speaker 1: in another woman he attacked and strangled, but she lived.
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Speaker 1: He strangled the victim dead, another one and he's strangled
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Speaker 1: and nearly killed. And then grand finale, brought in his
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Speaker 1: living girlfriend, the mother of his baby. I held a
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Speaker 1: sketch up to the jury of the deceased and compared
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Speaker 1: her to sketches of the girlfriend and the other victim,
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Speaker 1: and they all look just alike. They proved something. It
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Speaker 1: proved something, just like him wrapping up what appears to
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Speaker 1: be a human finger, like Joe Scott Morgan says to me,
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Speaker 1: it proves something. Have you wrapped up what appears to
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Speaker 1: be a human finger? Randolph Rice and videoed it? I
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Speaker 1: hope not. Please tell me the answers.
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Speaker 9: No, I have not wrapped up a human finger and
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Speaker 9: wrapped it fortunately yet, so I cannot relate to this.
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Speaker 9: But again, this is an artist. We don't live in
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Speaker 9: this world that they live in where they're trying to
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Speaker 9: have these images and these references that they're trying to
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Speaker 9: put out there to the public. So this may have
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Speaker 9: something to do with something with an unrelated topic that
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Speaker 9: has nothing to do with this alleged murder.
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, just disarticulated or rendered human ring fingers have
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with this case, is that right?
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Speaker 7: Joe Scott, you.
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Speaker 2: Know who did live in this artist world in his universe,
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Speaker 2: this child, Celesreevus. So was she a prop you know?
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Speaker 2: Was she objectified to the point where someone would feel
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Speaker 2: feel comfortable enough to as maybe their form of art
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Speaker 2: to do what they did to her? Because I got
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Speaker 2: to tell you is, as this case goes on, Nancy,
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Speaker 2: it gets more and more bizarre all the way along,
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Speaker 2: because people knew, people knew for a fact that she
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Speaker 2: occupied a space within his day to day life. She
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Speaker 2: this child, wore witness to everything that he was doing,
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Speaker 2: all of his creative urges, if you will. But I
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Speaker 2: guess we'll never know that because Celeste was found in
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Speaker 2: the trunk of a car. This articulate.
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Speaker 1: I hope that you're sitting down. You may need to
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Speaker 1: lay down for this. It wasn't just the wrapping of
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Speaker 1: the fake finger. There's video released poetically, poignantly and I
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Speaker 1: believe probatively. In other words, it proves something on her birthday.
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Speaker 1: Watch this. This is released by D four VD. And
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Speaker 1: oh there's a severed arm with a sharp knife. And
22:38
Speaker 1: look at the woman covered in blood, stabbed bleeding at
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Speaker 1: the torso and there's dfour VD. You can't mistake who
22:47
Speaker 1: that is covered in blood, much like the blood of
22:52
Speaker 1: the merchandise that he sells. Okay to you, Dave Matt
22:58
Speaker 1: Where did this come from?
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Speaker 7: Nancy? It comes from the anime.
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Speaker 6: Japanese anime with you know, cartoon stuff that dpoor VD
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Speaker 6: and and his ILK are into. And when we get
23:15
Speaker 6: into the stories of how the manga the anime, it
23:22
Speaker 6: really matches up what dp ORVD is watching and is
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Speaker 6: really into. Nancy actually ends up playing itself out with Celeste.
23:34
Speaker 6: Apparently allegedly. When you look at a very very specific
23:40
Speaker 6: uh manga, there is an anime that has a girlfriend
23:46
Speaker 6: who is murdered just like Celeste was allegedly murdered. There's
23:50
Speaker 6: a disarticulation in this anime. But now in this anime,
23:55
Speaker 6: she was kept alive. The victim there was kept alive
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Speaker 6: and her left pinky, left ring finger, as well as
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Speaker 6: left eye.
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Speaker 7: We're all cut out, chopped up.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, keep looking. Her
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Speaker 1: legs are missing. Her legs are missing. In that last frame.
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Speaker 1: This is released on Celeste's birthday. We are told keep
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Speaker 1: going to the end, to the end, to the I'm
24:24
Speaker 1: not sure if her legs are missing or if those
24:28
Speaker 1: are the trousers she's wearing. This is released on her birthday.
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Speaker 1: I want to switch quickly to a special guest joining us,
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Speaker 1: Scott Iiker. Scott Iiker digital forensic expert, founding member of
24:40
Speaker 1: the FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team CAST. He is now
24:45
Speaker 1: at Precision Cellular Analysis. He was with the FBI as
24:51
Speaker 1: a special agent twenty two years. Also Norfolk PD and
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Speaker 1: Homicide Scott Iker MANI Peep are now suggesting that the
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Speaker 1: FEDS are getting involved or will get involved in this case.
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Speaker 1: There are many grounds under which they could jump in,
25:11
Speaker 1: but there was a very long delay until D four VD.
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Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke was arrested, and I'm wondering if the
25:21
Speaker 1: Feds or locals used a wire tap, because look at
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Speaker 1: all we've shown in the last twenty minutes of evidence
25:31
Speaker 1: he's throwing out there, albeit demonstrative. Do you think he
25:37
Speaker 1: was so arrogant he would discuss Celeste murder and the
25:41
Speaker 1: cover up on the phone. How do the FEDS get
25:44
Speaker 1: a wire top wiretap?
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Speaker 10: Scott ker Well, wiretaps are are based on probable cause,
25:52
Speaker 10: so they had to have parblel cause to submit to
25:55
Speaker 10: the judge to get this wire tap and wire tap
25:59
Speaker 10: cover There's a lot of different things that can cover
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Speaker 10: cell phone conversations, text messages, it can cover email addresses,
26:07
Speaker 10: and communications via applications like Snapchat or whatever he was using.
26:14
Speaker 10: So once they get to that point that they can
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Speaker 10: convince a judge that they would think there's evidence there
26:19
Speaker 10: that they should glean the judge will approve that. And
26:23
Speaker 10: then obviously we're seeing what he's doing with his videos
26:28
Speaker 10: that seem to be related to less murder. There's a
26:34
Speaker 10: lot of information that that can be gleaned from his communications.
26:38
Speaker 10: Were you talked about earlier about a brother or his
26:43
Speaker 10: attorney talking to him about you know, still living with
26:46
Speaker 10: the minor. Those are things that would help the detectives
26:52
Speaker 10: find the probable cause to be able to be this
26:54
Speaker 10: intrusive into his life. I mean, we know that they
26:58
Speaker 10: were looking at phone records of his as Celeste before
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Speaker 10: she even was murdered, back when she was a runaway,
27:06
Speaker 10: So they had phone records back then that they started
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Speaker 10: looking through, and now they've built that. I believe they
27:12
Speaker 10: definitely found a lot of information through the wire taps.
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Speaker 1: So Randolph Rice joining us, jumping off what Scott Iiker
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Speaker 1: just revealed. Scott Iiker, founding member of the FBI Cellular
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Speaker 1: Analysis Survey Team, knows a lot about wire taps, Randolph.
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Speaker 1: Wiretaps are very difficult to get from a judge because
27:33
Speaker 1: they're so intrusive, but their pay dirt based on as
27:40
Speaker 1: Joe Scott just said, when you don't know a horse,
27:41
Speaker 1: look at his track record. Truer words are never spoken.
27:45
Speaker 1: He is putting it all out there. He left his
27:49
Speaker 1: vehicle and plane view with the less body in it.
27:52
Speaker 1: He had apparently friends move it from place to place.
27:56
Speaker 1: He made up a lie about why he's home had
27:58
Speaker 1: a stench of a had body in it, and blamed
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Speaker 1: it on a clogged toilet, but there's no telling what
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Speaker 1: a wire tap of his phones would reveal. How have
28:11
Speaker 1: you ever gotten a wire tap? And isn't it true
28:15
Speaker 1: that cell phones can also be tapped, not just landlines.
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Speaker 9: Back in my prosecutor days, yes, we use cell phone
28:22
Speaker 9: wire taps all the time, as I'm sure you can
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Speaker 9: remember the series The Wire in Baltimore, which is a
28:29
Speaker 9: very popular TV show, and it's very much like that.
28:32
Speaker 9: It's easy to get wire taps if you can present
28:34
Speaker 9: to a judge that you've exhausted almost all other avenues
28:37
Speaker 9: and that you presented probable cause. But as a defense attorney,
28:41
Speaker 9: there are challenges to that. You can go back to
28:43
Speaker 9: the judge, and I certainly believe that if there are
28:45
Speaker 9: things on that wire tap that are incriminating to mister Burke,
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Speaker 9: his attorneys will challenge was their probable cause? Was there
28:53
Speaker 9: enough information to that judge to issue that wiretap? All
28:57
Speaker 9: these things can be challenged down the road.
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Speaker 1: And courting us. John Buehler, former homicide detective who led
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Speaker 1: the investigation into the murders of Lacey and Connor Peterson.
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Speaker 1: John Buehler, you have seen the arrogance first hand of
29:13
Speaker 1: Scott Peterson. Do you remember what he ordered? Is what
29:19
Speaker 1: a burger or in and out burger order that he
29:21
Speaker 1: made within minutes of finding out that the bodies that
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Speaker 1: washed up at San Francisco Bay were DNA match to
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Speaker 1: Lacey and Connor. Do you remember what he said within minutes?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he sent it right to my face. He was
29:36
Speaker 3: in the back of my car as I was putting
29:38
Speaker 3: gas in it, and we asked him if he wanted
29:41
Speaker 3: something to eat, because we were hungry.
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Speaker 7: We'd been driving for a while.
29:43
Speaker 3: We get a little bit of a drive in front
29:44
Speaker 3: of us and mentioned in and Out Burger pretty popular
29:48
Speaker 3: out in the West Coast, and he just kind of
29:50
Speaker 3: reflected for a moment, and he cavalierly asked, Yeah, I'll
29:55
Speaker 3: have a double double with cheese, a fry, and a
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Speaker 3: small vanilla shake, almost like he was ordering it to
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Speaker 3: take out window himself. And that's the kind of arrogance
30:03
Speaker 3: that you have with before VD. He just doesn't believe
30:07
Speaker 3: he's going to get caught. It seems like when he
30:08
Speaker 3: keeps doing these things. And again, it makes it easier
30:13
Speaker 3: to put a case together when you have this, because
30:15
Speaker 3: they're almost pounding nails into their own coffin when they
30:18
Speaker 3: do these things. In addition, on Peterson, of course, we
30:22
Speaker 3: had a wire intercept going on him fairly quickly, and
30:26
Speaker 3: we were able to get an enormous amount of information
30:28
Speaker 3: and intelligence on what he was doing behind the scenes.
30:32
Speaker 3: You may remember, Nancy, there was at one time when
30:34
Speaker 3: an anchor was located in San Francisco Bay. There was
30:36
Speaker 3: a big hubbub about it, and they thought it was
30:38
Speaker 3: a body, or could have been because of the dimensions.
30:41
Speaker 3: And when Sharon Roach called Scott leaving a message on
30:44
Speaker 3: his voicemail because he's several seldom ever answered, he'd always
30:49
Speaker 3: let it roll the voicemail screen iss calls, and she
30:51
Speaker 3: said it was an anchor.
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Speaker 7: We knew that, We just wanted to let you know.
30:54
Speaker 3: And there was a suppressed whistle on the feed when
30:58
Speaker 3: we had the wire intercept, he whistled like in relief
31:01
Speaker 3: that you know, he didn't get caught on that. And anyway,
31:05
Speaker 3: it was just it was one of those things, a
31:07
Speaker 3: lot of similarities in both cases. Randolph Rice brings up
31:11
Speaker 3: some great points. I got to agree with him on
31:13
Speaker 3: a lot of these things. You know, those are the
31:16
Speaker 3: kind of challenges that we're going to see when this
31:18
Speaker 3: goes to court.
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Speaker 1: I can just hear Peterson just saying, yeah, they got
31:22
Speaker 1: that wrong. They're never going to catch me. I'll just
31:25
Speaker 1: go ahead and order the porn channel. Okay. The arrogance
31:29
Speaker 1: translates to feeling like you're above everybody else, you're the
31:33
Speaker 1: smartest one in the room. That's something that helped me
31:35
Speaker 1: a lot at trial, knowing I was not the smartest
31:37
Speaker 1: one in the room that would be trying cases, translating
31:41
Speaker 1: to what would he say on the phone with the
31:45
Speaker 1: wiretap because he's so arrogant, can't imagine anybody's ever going
31:50
Speaker 1: to catch him. But we have evidence that he knew
31:55
Speaker 1: he was dating a minor, and everybody else around him new,
32:01
Speaker 1: but arrogance. He didn't stop where from.
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Speaker 7: Farm because.
32:14
Speaker 1: Right there at the end, we hear who we believe
32:17
Speaker 1: is D four VD, David Anthony Brook's agent saying, are
32:20
Speaker 1: you still dating that minor? Everybody knew. Everybody knew they
32:26
Speaker 1: were quoting dating no secret. Uh. That's from Josh Halliback
32:32
Speaker 1: on instant. Thank you, Josh Halliback. The arrogance, the arrogance.
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Speaker 3: Bueller, Yeah, it's it's it's pretty stark, and I don't
32:43
Speaker 3: know if it fits in with the the whole culture
32:45
Speaker 3: that he was immersed in or anything like that. But
32:48
Speaker 3: he when when you have so many people that are
32:50
Speaker 3: behind you, and he's got all these people in his
32:53
Speaker 3: entorage that are bowing in his altar on a daily basis,
32:56
Speaker 3: he probably gets this invincibility, uh demeanor where he thinks
33:01
Speaker 3: he's above this stuff. And then the really disturbing thing is,
33:05
Speaker 3: you know, as you've shown several times, this wrapping of
33:07
Speaker 3: the figure. Maybe it's her finger, maybe it's not, Maybe
33:09
Speaker 3: it's a prop who knows, but just the fact that
33:12
Speaker 3: she's missing and he's wrapping that shows a complete disregard
33:16
Speaker 3: for her. He looked at Celeste as a recreational item,
33:20
Speaker 3: like a jet ski or you know, a motorcycle or something,
33:24
Speaker 3: but not as anything human. And that really kind of
33:26
Speaker 3: sets him apart from a lot of the murderers that
33:28
Speaker 3: we dealt with over the years. It just did something foolish,
33:31
Speaker 3: or they were angry, but just the depravity of this
33:34
Speaker 3: guy pretty stark.
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Speaker 7: Jerry should love this case.
33:40
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, you have sadly been a death investigator
33:44
Speaker 1: on many many child homicides. Okay, so I want you
33:50
Speaker 1: to Look at this photo were managed to dig up,
33:54
Speaker 1: which in my mind shows that de Forvide's family knew
33:59
Speaker 1: very well he was dating a minor. There you see
34:03
Speaker 1: a shot at one of Dfourd's performances. There are his parents,
34:09
Speaker 1: his sister seated right beside teen girls, Celeste, and his
34:15
Speaker 1: Defovid's brother. Look at that. They all knew Joe Scott.
34:21
Speaker 1: Now what do you think they were wondering about when
34:24
Speaker 1: it went out that Celeste was missing and her body
34:26
Speaker 1: had been found.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, precisely, and also thinking you know where where had
34:33
Speaker 2: been this child? I don't know one word comes to
34:36
Speaker 2: mind of facilitation, because I'm thinking about this. You know
34:43
Speaker 2: that he is involved with a child, and let's firmly
34:48
Speaker 2: say that, right child, right. But yet here we are,
34:53
Speaker 2: and maybe for whatever reason, you don't feel compelled to
34:59
Speaker 2: offer some kind and some kind of mercy, some kind
35:04
Speaker 2: of caring to people that truly loved her, talking about
35:08
Speaker 2: her family, those individuals maybe at her school, whatever the
35:13
Speaker 2: case might be, those individuals that truly knew her as
35:16
Speaker 2: a child. And again I'll say she was a child
35:19
Speaker 2: when she was murdered. But yet you show no compassion
35:25
Speaker 2: on any level relative to this your idea is to
35:29
Speaker 2: I don't know, save somebody's skin. It doesn't make any
35:33
Speaker 2: sense to me, Nancy. It goes back to the point
35:35
Speaker 2: that this thing comes down. It keeps getting more and
35:39
Speaker 2: more bizarre. And again everybody, everybody that is in this
35:43
Speaker 2: circle seems to be completely completely absent compassion when it
35:49
Speaker 2: comes to her, because at the end of the day,
35:52
Speaker 2: this is not about him. This is about this child.
35:54
Speaker 2: It's about an absence that can never be replaced her life.
36:00
Speaker 2: Whatever her background was, I don't care. It has to
36:04
Speaker 2: do with She is absent. She did not have a
36:06
Speaker 2: choice in anything that was happening to her because by law,
36:10
Speaker 2: she is a child and she was being manipulated. She
36:13
Speaker 2: was being used, and I submit to you everybody within
36:17
Speaker 2: this circle knew about it. I think that they probably
36:20
Speaker 2: helped facilitate it.
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Speaker 1: She never had a chance, did she. Joe Scott, Susan Hendricks,
36:25
Speaker 1: what can you tell me about Celeste's passport being thrown
36:30
Speaker 1: in a heavily wooded area in Santa Barbara.
36:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was found in Santa Barbara County near a
36:38
Speaker 5: lake which was suspicious to me.
36:40
Speaker 1: That stood out.
36:41
Speaker 5: He traveled there three times and it was found by
36:45
Speaker 5: a worker who then authorities went to interview about how
36:48
Speaker 5: he found it. He's the one that discovered her passport.
36:52
Speaker 5: But I wonder if there's more than what we just
36:55
Speaker 5: heard in that court document, the nine page document, If
36:58
Speaker 5: there's more that they have that they're holding close to
37:01
Speaker 5: the best. We do know, as you mentioned Nancy phone surveillance,
37:04
Speaker 5: But I wonder what else was found there and where
37:07
Speaker 5: was she killed? Was it the garage that last time
37:09
Speaker 5: I was on your show we heard it was part
37:11
Speaker 5: game room, park garage. It'll be interesting to hear during
37:15
Speaker 5: the trial all of the details involved with this.
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Speaker 1: What was there?
37:19
Speaker 5: What was he getting rid of?
37:20
Speaker 4: Well?
37:20
Speaker 1: I think I know, Susan Hendrix, I think I know
37:23
Speaker 1: why he discarded the passport. To Dave Mack, joining US
37:27
Speaker 1: Crime Story's investigative reporter, what can you tell me about
37:30
Speaker 1: alleged trips? And this brings in the federal jurisdiction issue
37:33
Speaker 1: that we started with with Randolph Rice, What can you
37:36
Speaker 1: tell me about alleged trips for D four VD reportedly
37:40
Speaker 1: took Celeste overseas.
37:43
Speaker 6: Yeah, Nancy, what's interesting about this entire investigation is that
37:47
Speaker 6: these trips to London, Las Vegas, Houston are mentioned in
37:52
Speaker 6: the investigation paperwork filed with the court that said D
37:57
Speaker 6: FOURVD took celest to these very specific places.
38:01
Speaker 7: To meet his family, now Nancy.
38:04
Speaker 6: To travel overseas as a minor, you have to have
38:08
Speaker 6: your passport, but you also have to have permission from
38:11
Speaker 6: an adult family member or guardian. And there's a lot
38:16
Speaker 6: that goes into a minor traveling like that. But more
38:19
Speaker 6: than just the fact that we have all this from
38:21
Speaker 6: the investigators, he David Burke did an interview in the
38:27
Speaker 6: days following the death murder of Celeste was when Burke's
38:33
Speaker 6: first full length album was dropped, called Withered, and the
38:37
Speaker 6: world tour that followed, and so there was a lot
38:40
Speaker 6: of activity right after she died. That's the motivation for
38:44
Speaker 6: the death. On April twenty fifth, two days after David
38:50
Speaker 6: Anthony Burke allegedly murdered Celesteevas Burke does an interview published
38:57
Speaker 6: by Songwriter Universe where he actually he says and he
39:01
Speaker 6: describes the process of how he writes and things like that,
39:05
Speaker 6: and then mentions the trips that he took to London
39:09
Speaker 6: and Houston, and again these are places mentioned in the
39:14
Speaker 6: from the investigators.
39:16
Speaker 7: David says in the interview.
39:17
Speaker 6: I went to London with three of my friends and
39:20
Speaker 6: we just made a song every day for two weeks
39:23
Speaker 6: in London. I love London because of the gloomy esthetic
39:27
Speaker 6: and the gloomy well just like vibe and environment that
39:32
Speaker 6: London has.
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Speaker 1: Right, So Karen start joining us TV radio trauma expert
39:38
Speaker 1: forensic psychologists. Why in the world would de FORVD need
39:42
Speaker 1: to kart a little teen girl to London, to Houston
39:48
Speaker 1: to Vegas.
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Speaker 8: Think about it, Nancy, This is what keeps going through
39:54
Speaker 8: my mind. She was eleven years old supposedly when she
39:57
Speaker 8: met him. We're talking about it. Child who didn't know
40:01
Speaker 8: any different except this is a celebrity. So she could
40:05
Speaker 8: even see that video and not understand the violence behind
40:09
Speaker 8: it and that it might have something to do with her.
40:11
Speaker 8: I keep thinking about her because she didn't know any better,
40:17
Speaker 8: and he took somebody so vulnerable who actually didn't know better,
40:21
Speaker 8: and traveled with her and used her and then objectified her.
40:26
Speaker 8: She didn't matter. She got tossed, and I feel so
40:30
Speaker 8: much pity and regret and sadness for her because her
40:34
Speaker 8: life was cut short and she had no idea about
40:38
Speaker 8: what was happening to her.
40:41
Speaker 1: In that video we're showing right now, she's still wearing
40:43
Speaker 1: her little engagement ring Randolph rise high profile lawyer or
40:47
Speaker 1: defense tourney out of Baltimore. Randolph taking her across state
40:52
Speaker 1: lines for illast reasons, including out of the country to London,
40:59
Speaker 1: to Vegas, to Houston, would in that spark federal jurisdiction.
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Speaker 9: You're right, Nancy, That's where you get in trouble with
41:07
Speaker 9: the Feds. When you start crossing state lines is when
41:10
Speaker 9: the Feds can step in and say, look, you violated
41:13
Speaker 9: interstate commerce rules and therefore you've gotten yourself into a
41:16
Speaker 9: position where you could be charged federally. Now we'll say this,
41:20
Speaker 9: that would be fine charging for those things. But again,
41:23
Speaker 9: going back to this, there are a lot of missing facts.
41:26
Speaker 9: There are a lot of missing elements here that I
41:28
Speaker 9: think the prosecution still has to get to to prove
41:30
Speaker 9: that he is the one that killed Celeste.
41:32
Speaker 1: And the significance that they mentioned the passport being found
41:38
Speaker 1: in Santa Barbara is because it was likely stamped with London.
41:44
Speaker 1: I mean, what more, I mean, you're handing the jury
41:48
Speaker 1: a case on a silver platter, Randolph.
41:51
Speaker 7: You are.
41:51
Speaker 9: But again, I keep going back to everybody keeps saying arrogance.
41:55
Speaker 9: I think the word might be ignorance, and everybody in
41:58
Speaker 9: this panel and then tell you this is an all
42:00
Speaker 9: star panel, keep saying the entourage, the people around him.
42:04
Speaker 9: If I'm his defense team right now, I've got investigators
42:07
Speaker 9: looking at every member of that entourage because they are
42:11
Speaker 9: potential suspects in this murder. They could be the ones
42:14
Speaker 9: that have done these.
42:14
Speaker 1: In other words, they're the sod, They're the dude and
42:18
Speaker 1: some other dude, or at least that's what she would argue.
42:21
Speaker 9: That's Nancy. That's a real possibility because he has this
42:25
Speaker 9: group around him. It's evident by this glam up evidence
42:27
Speaker 9: there's people out there that are trying to still protect him.
42:30
Speaker 9: How do we know that those are the same people
42:32
Speaker 9: that were trying to protect him from Celeste and had
42:35
Speaker 9: something to.
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Speaker 1: Do with I want you to say this, Randolph, before
42:38
Speaker 1: you dig that that grave too deeply. Let's take a
42:42
Speaker 1: look at messages allegedly from Celeste brother. They start off
42:47
Speaker 1: from a friend, Hey, why does David follow you? D
42:50
Speaker 1: four BD all respect to your sister. I hate how
42:53
Speaker 1: people are being Was it really him? Answer? Yes, it
42:58
Speaker 1: was him because he found my account out of nowhere
43:01
Speaker 1: and followed me, well, he has it coming, that's wild. Randomly,
43:07
Speaker 1: did you ever talk to him? I met him once
43:10
Speaker 1: in person. Do you and your family know your sister
43:13
Speaker 1: being with him?
43:13
Speaker 6: Like?
43:14
Speaker 1: Was she living with him? All of this is so
43:16
Speaker 1: confusing and disgusting. I knew and went to police about it,
43:20
Speaker 1: but they said lack of evidence. I can't wait to
43:24
Speaker 1: investigate that. So he the brother was waved off. It's
43:30
Speaker 1: crazy how people suffer for it. How long has she
43:32
Speaker 1: been gone? You mean dead? Two weeks? Damn, that's soon.
43:37
Speaker 1: People have been saying like a month. The dude's a
43:40
Speaker 1: weirdo with his songs all have. Then it goes on,
43:45
Speaker 1: was your sister like in love with him and choosing
43:49
Speaker 1: to stay? I'm guessing it was all him, just manipulating her.
43:54
Speaker 1: The brother says, yeah, she was always saying that he
43:57
Speaker 1: was waiting till she was eighteen to get married. The
44:04
Speaker 1: friends is sick. That's what's crazy is all those people
44:08
Speaker 1: in a circle who knew and didn't say anything. I
44:12
Speaker 1: saw one guy did got sued by him. I'm sure
44:17
Speaker 1: you would have two if you kept pushing dog what.
44:21
Speaker 1: I never knew that my sister wouldn't say anything ever,
44:25
Speaker 1: and then there are more pictures sent back and forth
44:28
Speaker 1: of Celeste. The significant part to me, Susan Hendrix, is
44:34
Speaker 1: that he d four VD kept telling her they were
44:38
Speaker 1: going to get married, this little girl, and she has
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Speaker 1: her little engagement ring, and reportedly when she said, you
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Speaker 1: keep seeing other girls, reportedly other miners, I'm gonna blow
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Speaker 1: this wide and tell everybody, and then she ends up dead.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and remember Nancy, as you know, they met when
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Speaker 5: she was just eleven years old, a little girl with
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Speaker 5: brace's meeting up for the first time at age thirteen.
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Speaker 5: She believed him, her heart was set on getting married
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Speaker 5: when she was eighteen. You showed us the engagement rant.
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Speaker 5: It broke my heart when I read that from the brother,
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Speaker 5: because I feel like he felt like there was nothing
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Speaker 5: he could do, that she wouldn't talk to them, that
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Speaker 5: she would never tell he had her. David had Celeste
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Speaker 5: under his control as he wanted. She became a problem
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Speaker 5: and in my opinion, disposed of her.
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Speaker 1: Scott Iker, isn't it true you were a fed for
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Speaker 1: years on the Cellular Analysis Survey team. Don't you imagine
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Speaker 1: they have defourvd's sale movements. They've got him red handed.
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Speaker 1: If he went to London, Vegas, Houston with Celeste. They
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Speaker 1: know about it.
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Speaker 7: I totally agree.
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Speaker 10: I mean, from way back when she was the first runaway,
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Speaker 10: they were probably getting his records and her records to
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Speaker 10: try to figure out where she was if she was
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Speaker 10: actually staying with him, and then as things progressed, oh, definitely,
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Speaker 10: they preserve that historical data, getting the towers and the timing,
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Speaker 10: advanced information that in location information from his phone and
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Speaker 10: probably a lot of his entourage, and that's less found
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Speaker 10: two to try to locate where they were at specific times,
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Speaker 10: to even include where the passport was found.
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Speaker 7: Stuff like that. That's all going to be part of
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Speaker 7: the case.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
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Speaker 1: death of this young girl, Celeste Rivas, please dial two
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Speaker 1: one three for eight six six' eight nine zero repeat
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Speaker 1: two one three four eight six six eight nine. Zero
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Speaker 1: we Remember American Hero Special Agent Aaron, Garcia Union Pacific
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Speaker 1: RAIL pd killed in the line of duty after just two,
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Speaker 1: years leaving behind a grieving, Wife, wanna and Sons aaron
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Speaker 1: And Andrew sentenced to life without. Dad American Hero Special
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Speaker 1: Agent Aaron. Garcia thank you to our guests for being
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Speaker 1: with us to night but especially to you in our
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Speaker 1: search for justice For. Celeste Nancy gray signing off for to,
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Speaker 1: night But i'll see you tomorrow, night and until, then
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Speaker 1: good night, friend