Latest / The Bechdel Cast / Rye Lane with Shelli Nicole

Transcript

Rye Lane with Shelli Nicole · The Bechdel Cast

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: On the Bechdel Cast.
• 0:02
  Speaker 2: The questions asked if movies have.
• 0:04
  Speaker 3: Women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
• 0:08
  Speaker 3: or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zeph and
• 0:12
  Speaker 3: best start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Oi, it's the Roy Lane episode, isn't it.
• 0:20
  Speaker 4: I don't want to participate in this.
• 0:22
  Speaker 5: I think that this is quite frankly disrespectful and I'll
• 0:27
  Speaker 5: say it problematic, leaving me out to when I just
• 0:31
  Speaker 5: want to apologize to the British community for what has
• 0:35
  Speaker 5: taken place.
• 0:36
  Speaker 4: On this show today.
• 0:37
  Speaker 6: And then the episode just ends hard cutout. No, I
• 0:43
  Speaker 6: thought it was funny, grow up Britz thinks. Welcome to
• 0:46
  Speaker 6: the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus.
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: My name is Caitlin Derntae. This is our podcast where
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: Bechdel test simply as a jumping off point. What's the
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: though in it?
• 1:02
  Speaker 4: Well, here's what it in it.
• 1:06
  Speaker 6: It is a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison
• 1:11
  Speaker 6: Bechtel back in I Believe the eighties for her famous
• 1:14
  Speaker 6: comic collection Digs to Watch Out For, often called the
• 1:17
  Speaker 6: Bechdel Wallace Test because it was co created with her
• 1:19
  Speaker 6: friend Liz Wallace.
• 1:21
  Speaker 4: That makes sense.
• 1:22
  Speaker 6: It was originally intended as a way of talking about
• 1:25
  Speaker 6: how little queer representation of queer women there was in movies,
• 1:29
  Speaker 6: but has since evolved to be compheaded to death. The
• 1:34
  Speaker 6: version that we use of this test requires that there
• 1:38
  Speaker 6: be two characters with names of a marginalized gender who
• 1:42
  Speaker 6: speak to each other about something other than a man
• 1:45
  Speaker 6: for two lines of dialogue or more. Should be a
• 1:47
  Speaker 6: meaningful interaction, not super worried. Today, we don't need to
• 1:52
  Speaker 6: get into it much further because today we don't just
• 1:55
  Speaker 6: have a wonderful movie to discuss. We have an incredible
• 1:58
  Speaker 6: returning guest.
• 2:00
  Speaker 4: Let's get to it.
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, she's a culture writer. You've seen her
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: work in Architectural Digest Vogue as well as her substeck
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: Hi Shelley, and you remember her from such episodes as
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what's that Detroit Buffalo?
• 2:16
  Speaker 4: Buffaloed Buffalo? Do you say Detroited?
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: I almost said Detroitters?
• 2:21
  Speaker 4: Detroitters?
• 2:22
  Speaker 2: Oh great, the show that I still refuse to watch. Okay, well,
• 2:25
  Speaker 2: look I guess I'll watch it. I've never seen it
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: and think it's funny to watch it.
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: I guess I'll start anyway. It's Shelley Nicole. Welcome back,
• 2:33
  Speaker 1: welcome back, welcome back.
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: Hi, how are you?
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 2:37
  Speaker 4: You know, thanks for being here. Always a pleasure.
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I love the accent slipping out. Honestly, I
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: love it.
• 2:45
  Speaker 4: And we are talking about Rye Lane today. I'm so
• 2:48
  Speaker 4: excited you you introduced me to this movie. So did
• 2:51
  Speaker 4: I really? Yes?
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's my favorite thing.
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: It's so good.
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: I will not start talking about it straight away. I'll
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: let you finish your statement.
• 3:00
  Speaker 4: No, No, it's just it's it's so good.
• 3:02
  Speaker 6: And I know that all of our histories will be
• 3:04
  Speaker 6: relatively short because this movie came out very recently. It
• 3:07
  Speaker 6: came out in twenty twenty three, directed by Rain Allen Miller,
• 3:12
  Speaker 6: written by Nathan Brian and Tom.
• 3:15
  Speaker 4: Malia and Shelly. What's your history with this movie? How'd
• 3:19
  Speaker 4: you come across it?
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, here's the thing. So it was my You know
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: in movies where they're like they're about to start saying
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: a memory and then that the screen gets hazy, that's
• 3:29
  Speaker 2: what's happening now, So in a hazy moment. It was
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: my first ever Sundance, and this was God, I think
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: Sundance that will be Sundance twenty twenty three, because I
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: went to twenty twenty four and I did not go
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: this year. Yeah, So it was twenty twenty three and
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: it was my first ever Sundance and I had asked
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: somebody who really loves film. Of course I knew about Sundance,
• 3:52
  Speaker 2: but I never dreamed that I I don't know, I
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: just never dreamed that i'd be there. Right like then
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: I got invited. I got into this like one program
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: where they invite like marginalized critics and they put you
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: up and all this kind of stuff, and I had
• 4:07
  Speaker 2: free reign to see any movies that I wanted to.
• 4:11
  Speaker 2: It was great, you know, like the film programs and
• 4:13
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. But I made it a point not
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: to read too much into what the movies are about.
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: But I focused on the pictures and I wanted to
• 4:21
  Speaker 2: see as much black shit as I possibly could. So
• 4:24
  Speaker 2: I did not know about ry Lane. I did not
• 4:27
  Speaker 2: know all the history of it, which will like get
• 4:29
  Speaker 2: into with the cast and crew and all that kind
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: of stuff. I just saw two black people and I
• 4:34
  Speaker 2: saw that they were like smiling, right, and they weren't
• 4:37
  Speaker 2: like sad Or in Slavery period close, and I was like,
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: oh my god, that feels like I should go. And
• 4:45
  Speaker 2: I went to go see it. It was like my
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: last film of that day, which was like my second
• 4:51
  Speaker 2: or third day, and I saw it in saw Lake
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: Versus in Park City because it was just like full up,
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: and immediately when it first started, I was like this,
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: this movie is going to change my life. I sat
• 5:04
  Speaker 2: smack center of it, and I was just like, this
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: is great. I saw it it played through. I gave
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: it like five million stars on letterbox immediately because I
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: am the person that takes that letterbox. As the credits roll,
• 5:16
  Speaker 2: I don't care, and I knew that I was going
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: to write about it and make it like the star
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: of my Sundance coverage. But then two days later, I
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: was at Sudence for like seven days or eight days,
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: and I had kind of seen everything I wanted to
• 5:32
  Speaker 2: see by day five. So I saw this movie three
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: more times, like god, and then they give you access
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: to it like digitally, especially like if you're like writing
• 5:46
  Speaker 2: about it and stuff like that, because they want you
• 5:48
  Speaker 2: to be able to really write about it. Went home
• 5:50
  Speaker 2: immediately after the first screening put it on while I
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: was like eating terrible food and Salt Lake City terrible takeout,
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: and was like watching.
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: It in bed.
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: And then it came out on Hulu and it didn't
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: come out in theaters, like not by me anyway in Chicago.
• 6:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, which is why I think I missed it. Yeah,
• 6:09
  Speaker 6: I have a lot to say about that, but yeah, continuous.
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: It was straight to Hulu, which was a surprise to me.
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: But I was also super happy about it because then
• 6:17
  Speaker 2: I meant I got to watch it whenever the fuck
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: I wanted came out on Hulu. Watched it immediately, and
• 6:23
  Speaker 2: then I reached out to search like Pictures who is
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: the distributor, And I was like, Hi, I would love
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: for you to give me money to show this to
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: a bunch of black people in Chicago. And they did
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: the like they gave me, and they gave me like
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: they connected me with like a local person here, because
• 6:46
  Speaker 2: you know, when you go to screenings and stuff like that,
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: like there's usually a representative in the city, and Chicago
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: is a pretty big movie city. So I'm lucky enough
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: reached out and I was like, I think I reached
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: I sent like four emails before I heard back and
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: then they think they were like okay, and they gave
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: me a bunch of money and I put together a
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: private screening for thirty I think black folks here in Chicago,
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: and I turned this one person's place called lit Bilex
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: to Candle Place into a living room because I wanted
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: it to be like when you just kick back with
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: your friends and you watch movie in the living room.
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: And I had like couches and all this stuff put
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: on this screening. It was really awesome. I specifically picked
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: the place that had windows that was on the street
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: so that when you walked by, people could see it
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: because I wanted people to take pictures and like, what's
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: this movie? Posted about it on Twitter, which I don't
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: have Twitter anymore, but I still have these posts, and
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: the writers were fucking with it. They were like, this
• 7:44
  Speaker 2: is so cool. They like responded, it was really cool.
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: This movie just means like a lot to me. I
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: promised myself that I wouldn't overtalk this time. That's not
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: gonna happens funk away.
• 7:56
  Speaker 4: That's a story. That's amazing.
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this movie so much. I love this movie.
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: I love this movie. I love this movie.
• 8:04
  Speaker 4: Oh that makes me so happy, Jamie, what about you?
• 8:07
  Speaker 6: That is incredible? I nothing even remotely close. I wish
• 8:13
  Speaker 6: I didn't know about this movie. I think that I
• 8:16
  Speaker 6: was gonna say, I was like, whoa, I really haven't
• 8:19
  Speaker 6: missed a lot of like movies in theaters that I've
• 8:22
  Speaker 6: been excited about in the last couple of years. I'm
• 8:25
  Speaker 6: surprised that I missed this, and it's because it wasn't
• 8:27
  Speaker 6: really theatrically in the US, and I think that, you know,
• 8:31
  Speaker 6: it is kind of a stigma everywhere, but it often
• 8:34
  Speaker 6: ends up being true that straight to streamer movies are
• 8:38
  Speaker 6: like I don't rush to watch them as much unless
• 8:41
  Speaker 6: it's a lazy, sebt Christmas movie, and then I run
• 8:44
  Speaker 6: and I don't want.
• 8:47
  Speaker 4: I feel like we're conditioned.
• 8:48
  Speaker 6: While it is in no way always true, but to
• 8:51
  Speaker 6: see them more as TV movies and not things to
• 8:54
  Speaker 6: like rush to see, which I think is a real
• 8:58
  Speaker 6: shame and crime in the case of this Boofy, because
• 9:02
  Speaker 6: I would have. I'm so jealous you got to see
• 9:04
  Speaker 6: it in theaters because it is just so enveloping but
• 9:08
  Speaker 6: also rewatchable, and the second you see you're like, oh,
• 9:11
  Speaker 6: this is gonna be a comfort movie. For a really
• 9:13
  Speaker 6: long time. It's just like I really really really loved it,
• 9:18
  Speaker 6: and I am mad that it wasn't released theatrically because
• 9:22
  Speaker 6: I feel like this is the kind of thing that
• 9:23
  Speaker 6: if it were released theatrically in the US, would even
• 9:26
  Speaker 6: if it didn't like do huge numbers, would have gotten
• 9:29
  Speaker 6: a lot of positive word of mouth.
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah yeah, and definitely would have given what I
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: like to call it is like the British Love Jones
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: with a happier ending, Like it would have definitely given
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: that sort of millennial black couple like comfort rom com.
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: But so many people like haven't really seen it, and
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: I think it's still on Hulu but still haven't watched it.
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah it is.
• 9:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 9:54
  Speaker 6: Also, I mentioned this to you over text the other day, Kitlin,
• 9:58
  Speaker 6: but I was like, oh, and I love when I
• 10:00
  Speaker 6: have a thought about a movie and then I read
• 10:01
  Speaker 6: reviews and someone much smarter than we also had the
• 10:04
  Speaker 6: same thought.
• 10:04
  Speaker 4: I'm like, we just covered the Before trilogy.
• 10:09
  Speaker 6: On our Patreon aka Maatreon, and so we just rewatched
• 10:14
  Speaker 6: that trilogy and like, there's so much of the first
• 10:18
  Speaker 6: movie and that trilogy that feels like present in there
• 10:20
  Speaker 6: where it's just I love a movie where two people
• 10:22
  Speaker 6: are walking around and falling in love. I've learned it's
• 10:25
  Speaker 6: just really really sweet, except this is like a much
• 10:28
  Speaker 6: more stylized, like more hard comedy in a way.
• 10:32
  Speaker 4: I really like it doesn't meander at all, Like I.
• 10:35
  Speaker 6: Was like blown away and I had all the notes
• 10:38
  Speaker 6: I needed after my first viewing, but I watched it
• 10:41
  Speaker 6: again because it's just very rewatchable.
• 10:44
  Speaker 4: It's so much fun. The performances are great, and I
• 10:47
  Speaker 4: can't wait to talk about it more.
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: Really, that's happy you dug it?
• 10:52
  Speaker 4: Oh it was? It's yes, I loved it. Yeah, Kaitlyn,
• 10:55
  Speaker 4: what was your history with this movie?
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: I heard about it as we met via you, Shelley.
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: I think you mentioned it at the end of our
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: episode on Buffaloed aka the Detroiters, And I think I
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: said that because I know that you used to live in.
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: Detroit, right, Yeah, I'm from Detroit.
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I associate Detroit with you, and then
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: I just my brain.
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: The best thing anybody has ever said to me in
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: my whole life, I associate Detroit with you, is like
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: that's the point. So yes, I will like fight on
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: all of my bios to be like she is a
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: detroiter living in.
• 11:34
  Speaker 3: X y Z.
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: So oh yeah, sorry interrupt.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I'm happy to pay you the compliment.
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you mentioned it at the end of that episode,
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I didn't. I've never heard
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: of that. What's that? Because it, I think only got
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: a theatrical release in the UK, and so I looked
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: it up and I was like, okay, And then I
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: made a little mental note of that as like, oh,
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: that could be a movie we could cover later on
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: with Shelley and look at us now, look at us.
• 12:07
  Speaker 4: But I'm so happy we're talking about it. It's so good.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: So I looked it up and then I saw that
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: actor David Johnson in Alien What the hell is it called?
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: The New One? That's where I know I'm from.
• 12:24
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's how I recognize him as well. It
• 12:27
  Speaker 6: seems like he's like on the verge of blowing up.
• 12:29
  Speaker 6: I want them to both be on the verge of
• 12:31
  Speaker 6: blowing up, please, But it seems like David Johnson definitely is.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: He's in the most recent Alien Romulus.
• 12:38
  Speaker 4: Okay, I haven't seen.
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: He plays one of the cyborg robot I forget what
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: they call them in the Alien franchise, but anyway, he's
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: he's that. I was like, oh, that's the same guy
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: from that movie ry Lane, and then finally watched it
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: to prep for this episode, and I similarly really liked it.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: I am not a big rom com head, but I
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: do like them when they feel grounded and they actually
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: have comedy in them, which most rom coms aren't grounded.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: They're very like, look at this ridiculous premise that would
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: never happen in real life, and they don't have jokes
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: in them. They're not actually funny, they're just like tonally light.
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: But this movie has jokes. This movie feels grounded, and
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: I really dug it for those reasons.
• 13:22
  Speaker 6: Yay. I was also thinking, like, I've seen this like
• 13:25
  Speaker 6: bemoaned in pieces I've read on letterbox, but just in general,
• 13:30
  Speaker 6: how I feel like, especially since algorithms started deciding which
• 13:33
  Speaker 6: movies get made and which don't, there's been no shortage
• 13:36
  Speaker 6: of rom coms, most of which go straight to streaming,
• 13:39
  Speaker 6: but there has been a shortage of rom com leads
• 13:42
  Speaker 6: having actual chemistry. Like there's just so many rom coms
• 13:46
  Speaker 6: I can think of from the last ten years that
• 13:48
  Speaker 6: are like, well, this person is popular and this person
• 13:51
  Speaker 6: is popular. If we make them kiss, maybe it'll be good.
• 13:54
  Speaker 6: And it is rarely good and less the like, but
• 13:58
  Speaker 6: oh my god, this movie is the exception, the rare
• 14:01
  Speaker 6: exception Dad, where the two leads have incredible chemistry. It's
• 14:05
  Speaker 6: such a believable pairing and you can't help but root
• 14:09
  Speaker 6: for them in a way that I haven't felt in
• 14:11
  Speaker 6: a round common a really really long time.
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: We're back. Chemistry is back.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited to talk about this, and I'm so
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: excited that both of y'all like, actually dug it, because
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: I know that you are also like hella honest when
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: it comes to movies that you fuck with and that
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: you don't. So I was kind of nervous because you know,
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: you kind of feel like you sometimes. I feel like
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: I overhype a film and then someone watches it and
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: they're like, like five stars, and I'm like yes.
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: To me, so me, no, this movie is so it's
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: so special. I don't know.
• 14:44
  Speaker 6: I was in a great mood and I watched it
• 14:46
  Speaker 6: at the beginning of a day and then again at
• 14:48
  Speaker 6: the end of the day.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: Same. It's good, just randomly for no reason. Weekly nice
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: love it.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take a quick break and then we'll come
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: back to do the recap, shall we in it? All right,
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: We're back in it, and sorry, I'm not gonna let
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: that go. Also, I watch a lot of staff Lets
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: Flats and the characters say in knit after like every sentence, And.
• 15:24
  Speaker 6: You turned me on as stath Lets Flats, Caitlin, and
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: I'm eternally grateful.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: You know what I said, I was gonna watch and
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: did it, and now this makes me feel you have
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: to won't regret it? Okay? Well then yeah, okay, great
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: slid Okay, perfect, Okay.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: The recap of Rye Lane. So we meet Dom played
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: by David Johnson in a bathroom stall at an art gallery.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: He is crying over a recent breakup. He's like scrolling
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: through Instagram and looking at photos of his ex and
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: her new boyfriend.
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: He's wearing pink converses.
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: He's so like Tumblr boyfriend losing.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, my god, emoting in pink Chuck Taylors.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: With high vibrant colors just like it's Tumblr.
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, fifteen year old me would have been shitting herself,
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: like just yeah.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, the costuming in general in this movie is
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: terrific because everything that Yaz is wearing and like her
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: accessories and shoes, and it's just incredible.
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: It's such a good balance of like the outfits are
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: incredible and they still look like people you would see
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: and actual people, Like you're like, oh, we probably actually
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: could get that outfit if we want to do, which
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: is great.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: It's nice.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: I think I own everything that Dom is wearing, Like
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I own those pink chucks you do, so, yeah, maybe
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Halloween costume. Anyway, So he's crying in the bathroom. Then
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: a woman named Yeah played by Vivian Apara comes into
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: the bathroom and hears him crying, and they interact briefly
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: through the stall doors. She doesn't see his face, but
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: she does see his pink converse shoes. The art show
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: that they're both at is for Dom's friend Nathan's photos
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: of people's mouths, which his all of the galleries and
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: like the shows that we see of his are very
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: funny and it's.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Just very well done because like, I know so many
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: artists who are just like I don't know so many
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: artists like personally, but like whenever I see so many
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: artists like promoting something on Instagram or something like that,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: the shows, there's something that is like this, which is
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: so it Somehow I loved that show like I would
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: go to his show.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Like I it seemed fun.
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: And also it is so like I had it in
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: my notes, like it is so rom com canon that
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: they have to have a cute an at an art
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: gallery they had any rom Com If one of them
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: doesn't work there, they know someone who does.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: It's just genre cannon.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: And also like there will be a lot of this
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: that I do say, like throughout us talking about this film,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: but putting blackness in those spaces, in this space of
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: a rom com, do you know what I mean? Like
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: that layered, like having this black artist who is still
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: very himself, but in this very black film featuring this
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: very black art with this black artist who is the
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: black listeners will get it, but like very black, you
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: get what I mean. Like, but putting those layers of
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: people into this world of rom com is so nice
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: because the trauma is not there. And I feel like
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: with blackness and in rom com they can be funny,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: but then there's some something has bad, has to happen
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: to somebody somewhere sometime, and it just doesn't happen in
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: this movie.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Everyone's going really nice.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Sorry spoil this movie is very happy.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Oh dare you spoil? No, it's it's very true. And
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: because we've seen time and time again representations of like
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: a woman in a rom com works at a gallery
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: or works at a magazine, but it's like such a
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: white version of that.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Judy Greer is usually there.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah she is.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: It's shocking she doesn't pop up here. But but there
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: is a very famous actor who pops up in this
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: movie that you're like, wait, what shocking? So good? And
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: I like that he bravely looks like shit in this movie.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: It does not look good at all.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Looks I was like, what happened there?
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: But maybe he just like he just breathed through hair
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: and makeup. He's like, I'm going in raw.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, I'm here. I got a few hours, so yeah.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: I was like, I want to know that story so badly.
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: But I feel like there's been a lot of comedy
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: movies that make commentary on rom com tropes in a
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: way that feels very, very kind of ham fisted in
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: the way that it does it. But everything about this
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: movie is so effortless, because like you were just saying, Kitlin,
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: like we're so used to seeing these very white tropes
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: in this genre of like the quirky white art gallery
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: director blah blah blah, And this didn't even occur to
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: me till the second viewing. But even the like quirkiness
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: of our main.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Characters are put on probably because they've watched too many.
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: Movies like it, and like, I just I loved it,
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: and it doesn't feel like it bangs you over the
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: head with it. It's just like, oh, this is something
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: that could actually happen, like yas being like I just
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: liked that.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: You thought I was like a cool girl who among us?
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: You know, I know, you just usually just really hope
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: you don't get caught in the line. But yeah, it's
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: just I can't say enough good things. But yes, anyways,
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: the movie starts at an art gallery.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, and Dom is there because he's supporting his friend
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Nathan in his mouth pictures. Yaz is there because she's
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: friends with Nathan's girlfriend Cass. Then Dom comes out of
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the bathroom and talks to Nathan, who admits that he
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: went to a party thrown by Dom's ex girlfriend Gea
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and her new boyfriend Eric, so Dom feels very betrayed.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: By his friend, which.
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: The more you learn about that situation, the more I'm like,
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: I'm really mad at him.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Why would you do that?
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what the hell? What the hell? Indeed, then Dom
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: and Yaz kind of link back up. She sees his
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: pink converses and realizes it's the same guy from the bathroom,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: so she kind of like strikes up a conversation with him,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: though he doesn't realize that she recognizes him, I think.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: But they leave the gallery at the same time and
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: they end up walking together. They cut through Rye Lane. Hey,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: that's the name of the movie, market think because they're
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: in the movie takes place in different neighborhoods in South London.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about that and like why the director wanted
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: those to be the locations. But anyway, so they're walking
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: around these neighborhoods. Yes, asks Dom about himself. We learned
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: that he's an accountant.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: She's like boring, and he's like, it's my dream.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Which, like, I think that's awesome too, the fact that
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: like this person, this black person gets to have an average,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: normal ass dream of being an accounting and having a
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: regular ass life when going to his job and then
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: having his girlfriend and like having a family, you know,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: like just normal, standard, cool, average people dreams. I love that.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like a thing like a wrongcom trip.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: I hadn't even thought about it in a long time.
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: But it's like the well I'm doing this now, but
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: what I really to do this?
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, He's like, this is what I'm doing now, and
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: it's all I ever really want to do.
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: I'm pretty happy, I'm happy to say, right, which makes
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: his heartbreak even more sad because it's like he had
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: his life was the way he wanted it to be,
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: but he had to meet.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's just how it had to go.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: He just had to.
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: I also love that, just the idea of like a
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: gender neutral bathroom being around meeting space. I'm like, yeah,
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: and it's not commented on. It is just a gender
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: neutral bathroom. They're everywhere, you know. I just thought that
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: was really cool.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I did too, and I'm glad you pointed that out.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Plus there's also some other like stuff that like they
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: usually hit us over the head with in films like
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: ones especially after like what twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, But
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: this whole like they just happened to meet that. No
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: one talks about it, No one has to say it again, like, oh,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I saw this guy with pink converses in the gender
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: neutral bathroom, and it's like, no, you knew that it
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: happened there and that was it, Like okay, and it
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: was so great.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I love Yes.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of recent movies that are
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: making attempts to include things like that are like really
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: like patting themselves.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: On the back.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: You're like, it's a bathroom.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: She's a potty, everybody relaxed, a shitter.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: It's not that big idea.
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like, if your goal is realism, who would
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: be like here we are in the gender neutral bathroom,
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: Like right, yeah, okay.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: So we've learned that he's an accountant. We also learned
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: that he recently moved back in with his parents, I
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: think because of the breakup. We learned that Yeah, works
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: as a fashion buyer, but her dream is to be
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: a costume designer for movies, TV entertainment. We learn also
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: that Dom is on his way to meet up with
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: his ex girlfriend for the first time since their breakup.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: That is such a bad walk. I was really like
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: put into a very specific state of mind. You're like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: this is one of the most miserable walks of his life.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: How lucky that the love of his life is there
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: with him.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Right, and so that's what he's on his way to do.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Yes reveals that she also recently went through a breakup,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: though for her she was the dumper rather than the dumpy,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and she's like, yeah, he sucked and I walked away.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: And Dom is like, oh, that's so iconic. Good for you,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: and she's like, right right, She's like, yes, exactly, that's.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: So me and I would do it again.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: I just I love her. I've done that where you're like,
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: I'm never gonna see this guy again. Why not be
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: the coolest person in the world to this person will
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: never see again.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: And make up a huge fabricated story.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's the person you end up in a long
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: term relationship.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: So Dom tells her more about his breakup, how he
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: his girlfriend cheating on him with his best mate Eric,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: who will also be present for this meeting. To clear
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: the air, I.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Hate Eric, I hate Eric, I.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Hate both of them.
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: Pile of rocks for brains in that air, everyone is
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: I really like Dom has this and I mean this
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: in the nicest way.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: He has this like Charlie Brown quality, to him. Yes,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: where he just like no one respects him and there's
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: no reason why. He's a very sweet person, and I'm
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: just it just feels like people are just yanking footballs
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: from beneath this guy. Left and right.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate bothom and I hate that he agreed
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: to this meeting, Like I hate that he's going here.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I hated every second of it. I mean like loved, hated,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: but like, why are you doing this? Because this was
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: not for him? This was one hundred percent for her
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: to make her feel better about what.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: She did, and she's bringing Eric.
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: I would be like, even I would have enough dignity
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: to be like, well, no, you can't bring him.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: What do you mean by all you can eat restaurant?
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: Oh my god, have I Theraphy been to a place
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: like that. I had like a work functions that took
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: place at I think then MICUs. It was like it
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: was a Korean barbecue, but there are no a Brazilian
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: barbecue with the cards and it is one of the
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: most stressful eating environments I've ever been in because I
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: was working Kitlin and was when I was working at
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: the Comedy Theater in Boston, and it's like a very
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: male dominated space and they were competitively like getting.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: The meat sweats. They were like, don't turn the card
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: to red.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: And I was like one of two women there and
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: I was like, this is my nightmare. It's like men
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: trying to eat meat until they die to prove a point.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: It was, Oh my god. It's a great place to
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: set a scene.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: I loved because it just adds tension of like, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: the most annoying person in this scene will be eating
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: meat the whole time.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Why it's I mean, it adds to the humor. I
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: can't complain. So Dom and Yes arrive at this meeting
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: spot at this restaurant. She offers to go in with him,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and he's like, no offense, but this is important and
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: you're basically a random person, so no, thank you, fair
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: And she says fair and they part ways. So Dom
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: goes in Gia his ex, and Eric his best mate
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: or formerly best mate.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Let's hope.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: So, but then is it not Eric who helps him move?
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Ye?
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Later in the it is so they're hanging out again.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I know that Eric is a puzzle to me.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: He's a total cipher.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: I'm like, what is good? What is going on in
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: this man's head has to be nothing for anything. He
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: makes sense.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: I do feel like I've met a handful of people
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: like this in my life, where he's like, well, I
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: like them both, so I guess without thinking about the
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: traumatic interpersonal stuff, He's like, what, they're both fine in
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: my book, they didn't do anything to me.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Like he also gets fired for peeing in bottles and
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: leaving them in his work locker and then being like,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: that's not what that is.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: He's like, they're so political there, I can't believe it.
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: My brother had a roommate like that once. He had
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: a peepea bottle roommate pepe bottle. I'm wondering how common
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: an experience this is for CIS men, because when my
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: brother brought it up, he's like, it's happened to my
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: friend too.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: I was like, what, Oh, but there's a lot of
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: peep bottle guys out there.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I think I remember. Isn't like, what's the peepee bottle guy?
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Wait, it's Frank.
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: I think it's Frank, because this is the type of
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: guy that's out that we believe they walk among us.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Don't see that. That's terrifying. You could walk fast one
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: and not even know it.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's happened more times than.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: One could be your friend.
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: I did did a guy once that had an emergency
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: bottle in his car and cause he had to pee
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: too much. And I'm just like, not suffer, suffer, I
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: guess at the end of the just just suffer.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: And also if that is so necessary, please don't tell
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: me about it.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: No, but yeah, I like again, just like such a
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: good specific of like an he's.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: A Peea bottle guy, and.
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: Of course and none of them ever think a thing
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: of it. They're like, it's good for the environment. And
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: it was like, no, that wasn't that Frank's thing, the.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Peep bottle guys. Yeah, because he was making sun tea
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: he said, like rockets.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was like watering his plants with them,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: something I forget.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: But it's like a survivalist thing too.
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: I feel like it's this weird, hyper macho survivalist like
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: bear grills lived, like, don't do that.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: At least in water World, Kevin Costner peas into this
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: apparatus that like filters his pee into drinkable water afterward, So.
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: We should do water I've never seen I've only seen
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: the live show at Universal.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Syd which I'm saying is not canon. That's really cool.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: It takes the vibes from water World the Future film
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: and really emulates them. Water World the movie is not
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: good and I hate Kevin Costner, so I have no
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: wish to cover water World, but I would.
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: It's my brother in law's favorite movie, which like whoa.
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: My cousin told me this. She like said it in
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: a low voice. She was like, she was like, it's
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: Justin's favor movie. I was like, what She's like, I
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: don't know.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I kind of want to watch it now. I've never
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: seen anything.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Don't they drink pea in Dune? I haven't seen those mean,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: oh you.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Know they might. I kind of forget. I have seen
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the available Dune movies. Oh not the David Lynch one,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: but the Dinny ones, and I could not tell you
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: a single thing that happens in any of them. I
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: don't understand what those movies are about anyway.
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: Anyways, Yeah, I mean in general, like, if you could
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: avoid putting your pea and bottles, you should think that's
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: a fair boundary.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Anyway, so Eric, the peepea bottle guy is there, as
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: is Gia, and they basically ask for permission from Dom
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: to not feel guilty anymore about the huge betrayal they
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: committed against him. They just like don't want to hold
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: themselves accountable at all. And just then Yas comes in
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: pretending to be Dom's new lover, saying that they met
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: recently at this epic karaoke night they hit it off
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: their you know, sexual chemistry was rippling throughout the room
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: love and Shea is like very jealous, and.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, because Gia is I feel like the darkest side
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: of many of us, where she's like this dinner to
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: basically humiliate her ex who is already like she's just
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: kicking him while she's down, but the idea of him
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: moving on makes her so upset.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and like I just feel like.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: This is a very dark part that exists in everyone personified.
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: And You're just like sitting at Gia their soulmates, and
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: you're dating pee Pee bottle guys.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Right, it's the thing of like I am over them,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: but I don't want them to be over me, or like.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, it's like a narcissistic thing.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I don't really like them, but I want
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: them to have a crush on me, Like I've definitely
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: felt that and.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: I've done it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's like who among us hasn't been
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: like if this person I'm disinterested in doesn't want to
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: marry me, I'll die And like what is that? I've
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: definitely been guilty of it. But it's like you just
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: want to win for Dom so bad at this point.
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: That is so awesome when Yas comes in.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Right, because she comes in again, their chemistry palpable, and
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: also Yes quickly abandons any sense of pleasantries and be
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: rates Gia for cheating on Dom with you know, peepee
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: bottle dipshit Eric.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And she's a neutral party. She could just be like,
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: clearly he sucks and you're mad about.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: It, like and you shows him like please.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Oh, I love it.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Right, And so she comes in with this very like
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: mic drop moment and then Dom and Yes run out
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: afterward and they're high on the energy. They get some
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: food together, which are burritos served to them by Colin
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Firth at a place called Love Guactually.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: So many layers to this bit, so many, and it's
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: a perfect bit. Like I I was in the theater
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: and I called myself the Leonardo DiCaprio meme like, because
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I was just very much like, oh my gosh. And
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: then I did it again. When I saw the name
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: of the place, I was like, oh my god, are
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: you kidding?
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: Like it is so I mean, if you're a fan
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: of rom coms at all, it's very clear what's happening here.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: But I was curious, Yeah, like what how this happened?
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: Because it's so wrong com. It's also so British, so
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: it's there's just multiple layers. So yeah, but the most
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: I was able to find was Rain Allen. Miller explained
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: how this came together sort of in our radio interview.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: So she says, I decided I really want to do
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: this thing where we have a shop that's like about
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: a burrito or something. I said it to my partner
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: and I was like, it has to be somebody like
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: you know who in there, and my partner just suddenly
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: came out and went, what about love quactually, and I
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: was like, oh my god. And it was the best
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: thing ever.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: And so I guess they just like reached out reverse
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: engineered yea.
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: And yeah, it was so cool. And she viewed this
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: as sort of like a baton pass. David Johnson also,
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: I don't know, like they.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Were superstarstruck because it's such a weird thing that happened.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: They also call him callin. Yeah, I wonder if he's
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: playing himself.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: What are you doing here? Why don't you have a
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: bored tell me what's going on?
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know, and.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: I guess that they like all it sounds like it
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: was like a very magical day on set.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: And like David Johnson said, I just thought it was
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: you know, he's absolutely incredible and he was so humble,
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: so kind and giving, and it was just like a dream.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: And he gave us the best spits of advice for
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: our career, like a real career, and hopefully we used them.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, it's so sweet.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I'm glad he was nice, because if he was mean,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: I would be damn.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Hopefully, I mean never say never. Hopefully if he was
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: a horrible person, we would know by now. I don't know,
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: but I just I just love that.
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: Like every recollection of this is like everyone's gushing like woooo,
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: this was so fun and it's such a sweet, weird
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: moment that is not replicated anywhere else.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: In the movie.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Right, this seems like the type of thing that could
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: be like a running bit if like later they run
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: into like Hugh Grant or something.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't be mad. I wouldn't be mad, right,
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: but uh no, it was.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: It was a great little one off joke. Also, love guactually,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I mean that's how I would pronounce it. It makes
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: me wonder if, like with an English accent.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I think they might say they.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Do actually, Yeah, it actually doesn't work here.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it is love actually actually, which just hurts
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: my feelings that way.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Love guacchole, Yeah, guacasole.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Guacachole doesn't quite work here in the same way.
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: But anyways, just a very very sweet moment in the
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: sweetest movie ever.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, So they get their burritos and then they walk
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: through a park they talk talk a little bit more
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: about their recent breakups. Yes says that one of the
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: reasons she broke up with her boyfriend is that she's like,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: you know, when there's a bunch of tourists on a
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: boat and they wave at you, Well, he was the
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: type of person who wouldn't wave back, and I want
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: someone who will waves back.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: This is like such a perfect rom com line because.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: It makes sense too, Like you want someone who like
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: waves beadind because it shows that you're just kind, you're playful,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: you're like sweet, and you're not just like, ugh, that's
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: just not cute.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: You're not too good for anything, Like, no, it's so cute.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: And then we get oh, I don't want to Well,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: keep going.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: It pays off later. Yeah, it's so.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: It's perfect realm com writing. It's perfect roalm com writing.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I love it, Yeah, for sure. So then they head
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: to a bar. Yes gets a call about a costume
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: designer job interview, which she blows off like it's supposed
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: to be that day and she's just like, can't make
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: a sorry buy. She then tells Dom more about her
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: relationship ending Her ex boyfriend Jules was this like self righteous,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: joyless guy who was unkind to her. So she pretended
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: like she was about to give him head and then
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: instead dumped a bunch of hummus that she made on
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: his dick and got the fuck out. That's how they
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: broke up.
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: The way that that scene is shot, I mean, we'll
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: talk about the cinematography and a bit, but like the
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: way it's especially when you learn what happens later in
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: the movie, it makes even more sense because it shot
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: like a dream sequence.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I just ugh the way this movie is.
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: I saw some people being like I normally wouldn't like
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: Fish Eye View, but this movie is so good that
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: I quickly forgot about it. And I mean, I don't
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: have any As a former MySpace girly, I have no
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: issue with a fish Eye lent absolutely and I I
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: was like, yes, this is closed, this is my culture
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: limography anyone Boca affect anybody.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: But like it's just so cool and a word. I
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: was telling my fiance about this.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, her fiance I love ram, I love comm.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: But but I was telling him. I was like, it's just.
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: So cool to see a like current rom com that
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: is actually stylized and isn't just so again, like when
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: you think about a rom com streaming on Hulu, which
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: this shouldn't have been exclusively, but like you just think
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: of total flat no color editing, like just Ai looking
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: kind of an editing style, And this.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Movie is so visually cool in a way that all
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: rom coms deserve to be and are not.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Totally right because like it's like the artistry of film
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: the I think gives a lot of like film bros.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: What they think is permission to discard movies that like
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: don't have very stylized things, and because rom coms usually don't,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: they're like.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Well, that's not real cinema.
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: I like, dude, even though it right, name one thing
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: that happens in Dude, your.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: End, but you know it's not tho all movies have
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: to be super super stylized or anything like that. But
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I do appreciate that this one is because it just
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: it elevates it so plus they.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Needed to for the we'll probably get into this, but
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: they needed to film it so stylized without the color
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: and the lighting and stuff because both leads and most
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: people in the movie are dark skin and like they
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: really makes them pop. Like in most rhyme coms, you
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: don't have to worry about the lighting and the colors
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: because you usually have just two pale white people or
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: like some like interracial couple or something like that. But
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: this one, like everyone is most of the cast is
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: like dark skinned folks, so even background actors and like
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: extra like. So I think that added into why they
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: needed to shoot it such a way or like specifically,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: it also helped bring out the beauty in the story
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: and the people all at the same time by shooting
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: it such a stylized way. It reminds me of Insecure,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Like everyone always talks about if you ever need to
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: see like no one in the world can ever say
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: you can't shoot black people a certain way, because just
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: look at Insecure, Like there's nighttime scenes, there's scenes where
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: it's really dark inside the house and it's still so
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: vibrant and like, so yeah.
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: It's like if you say you can't do it's because
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: you're fucking's lazy exactly at best, exactly just like some
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: of my favorite background acting I've ever seen where it's
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: just so like I'm so curious, like how casting worked
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: for this movie, because every background actor is doing something
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: specific and funny and just like draws you like doesn't
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: distract from the story, but also like makes you feel
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: a real love for the communities that they're walking through,
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: because it's just like people.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: Going about their business, but in like a very i
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: don't know, like sweet wholesome way.
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: I think about like the two school kids who were
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: playing some weird game in the background of one scene,
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: You're just like.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Think about the balloon lady when they're.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Going, yeah, she's like popping all over balloons trying to
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: get out.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: The door right right, Like it's just like a more
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: magical version of the real world. It's so special. Anyways,
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: what's happening in the movie?
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, let me tell you?
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: So?
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: She has just dumped her boyfriend by pouring hummus on
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: his penis, but in her haste to leave, she accidentally
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: leaves behind her cherished a tribe called quest Record Damn.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: So Dom is like, well, you helped me, now I'm
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: gonna help you get your record back.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: It's also partially so that they don't have to stop
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: stopping out.
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: She's just such a sweet thing where it's like they
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: have to keep finding these excuses before one of them
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: finally has to be like, I like you, please don't.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Leave before sunrise.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: It's so great.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, so they try to get into the ex boyfriend,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Jules's place because he's out of town right now, but
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: when they try to get in via the key that
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: yeahes has, she realized that he has changed the locks.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: So then they go to Jules's two moms' place to
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: look for a sparakee.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: Such a fun detour.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: If you're not paying attention, you might miss it, you
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: kind of might miss it, you kind of might be like,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: wait what because I think I know, I know that
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I did not. First of all, that's a lie, but
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I think I definitely did have to do a double tape,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Like I had to pay attention and look at the
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: house and the pictures and stuff, and I was like, ah, okay, cool,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: mm hmm.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: And so they show up at this house and it
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: turns out that they're throwing a party, so Dom's like
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: hanging out at the barbecue. They're judging him for the
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: music on his phone because it's all like sad breakup music.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: There's high jinks with Dom looking through the moms's underwear drawer.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Then at one point, Dom overhears Yaz telling Jules's moms
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: that she's only hanging out with Dom because she heard
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: him crying in the bathroom and felt sorry for him.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Dom is sad. They eventually leave the house and he
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: confronts her about this and she's like, yeah, I did
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: feel sorry for you, but I'm also enjoying hanging out
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: with you, but now we're.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: In love, right, It's okay, We're fine.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And they discussed possibly hanging out again at some point,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: so they numbers and then they part ways cut two.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: They're together again moments later on a mopead because Yaz
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: learned that even though the moms didn't end up having
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: a key to Jules's flat, Yeas's friend Mona does. So
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: they go to Mona, who runs a karaoke night at
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: a club.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: Oh and now we're coming full sick.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, I love it.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: When they were on the moped, it was a stormsy song,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: which like iconic, like so good, so good, so good.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: So it's a great soundtrack because then they go and
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: sing Shoop by Salt and Peppa at the karaoke night.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: In the dorkiest way place.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: It's so cute. But they're bringing down the house.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Well not at first, but only together.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Not at first yeah, yeah, so great.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but when they joined forces, they kill it, just
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: like how they described in the fake story of how
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: they met that they to Gia and it's exciting.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: It's so exciting.
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: The first time I saw it, I like my job.
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: I was, like I truly did, because usually I mean,
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: in a subpar rom come, you can see a scene
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: like that coming from a mile away, and I did
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: not see it coming at any organic and sweet.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: And not corny, Like not I mean like corny in
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: the sense of they're doing this karaoke woman, but not.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: It wasn't corny. It was so cute. It was like, damn,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: they're really realizing more how much they like each other.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: And also in that moment, too, we get to see
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: a little bit of Vivian Opero's character. Yet you could
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: see the real her. She's like, not this girl, She's
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: not that girl that she's been for the past like
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: seven hours. She maybe a little bit, but it's not
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: really her, you know.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she does like retreat into herself a bit.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really Oh my god, I just loved it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: Where you realize I mean that is like a very
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: special moment in any like any kind of relationship too.
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: I think, like in a friendship, a romantic relationship, a
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: family relationship, where you just realize someone is a little
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: shyer than you thought they were is such an intimate,
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: sweet thing.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: So they sing the karaoke song and they're like all
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: energized from that, and then they make out a little bit,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: and then they head back to Jules's place with the
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: key and they get inside, but just then Jules and
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: his new girlfriend Tabby come in and they're like, what
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing here? And we get the
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: real story of what happened between Yeahs and Jules. He
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: was actually the one to break up. He was actually
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: the one to break up with her because she was
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: a mess and like, yeah, that was.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Nasty work, that was good, that was so good, well done,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I try my best.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: He breaks up with her because she's a mess and
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: like she didn't have the guts to pursue her artistic
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: dreams and she was just generally a messy person. Dom
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: and Yes eventually leave Jules's place with the record, but
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Dom confronts her about lying to him, especially because he
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: had been so honest with her, and he's like, you
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: set a very bad precedent by lying to me from
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: the very jump. And she does not handle this criticism
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: well and he doesn't trust her now. So they part
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: ways this time, you know, not to reconvene anytime soon.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: They wallow in sadness separately for a while. Some time
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: passes and they start to carry on with their lives.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, certain rom come troupes must happen, no matter.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to have that montage, you have to
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: have like yearning. But I'm not going to say anything
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: because I'm rightfully mad at you. But the other one
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: doesn't know how to like swallow their pride.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: And they're like, I'm over it, I swear. Yeah.
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: And the fact that they set this in and I
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: do like that because it's like earlier, it's kind of
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: left as this hanging question of like, is yeahs going
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: to keep pursuing this career. It seems like she's really
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: on the fence about it, and that, as we later learn,
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: it's like part of her own insecurity that she doesn't
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: feel comfortable really throwing herself into it all the way.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: And so having that time of part sometimes is necessary
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: because it's so easy to get pulled into a relationship
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: and be like I have love, I don't need personal satisfay.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: It's just never true. Never to hear that today, it's
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: never true. Yeah, you need both.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: So they start to carry on with their lives. They're
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: going on dates with other people. Yeah, this has an
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: interview for a costume designer job that she actually goes
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: on this time and gets the job the Alien movie.
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so British for them to keep calm and carry
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: on classic that.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: I also love that there's a scene where like Yaz
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: is talking to the director and their conversation is like
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: mapped on. It's like very meta because the director is like,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: this is the big climax of the movie, so there
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: needs to be this big grand moment, and it's basically
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: just like narrating what Yaz needs to do in the
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: movie that we're watching. It's really fun.
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: I loved and it's like this again, like toes the
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: line so effortlessly where I think that there's a way
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: to do that scene that has that's like, here's my
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: rom com. It has nothing but antipathy for any other
• 51:52
  Speaker 6: rom com. But even when this movie is subverting the
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: rom com, it still feels like it comes with like
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: a genuine affection for the genre, and it's just like
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: building on it versus being like.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: This fucking sucks. Like it's just like it's sweet and funny.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: It's not antagonistic.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know, and I had no at this point too.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: I know we're gonna first talk about with the movie
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: like how it happens, but I kinda didn't know. I
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: did think it was gonna be very love Jonesy right
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: where it's like they weren't gonna.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: Write maybe get but it was cool.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: I was gonna be fine with that because it was
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: very much like you could see how they still affected
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: and touched each other's lives as they were moving on,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Like she was starting to go on these interviews, she
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: was being more self assured about herself. She was being
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: honest with herself and then him when he was like,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I gotta get out of this house, Like I gotta
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: get back out there. I am a dope person, and
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: her sort of like extrovertness sort of tapped into him
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: and then vice versa. It was just so if it
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: didn't go the way of a normal rom com of
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: being like happily ever after, I'd have been cool with that,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: like honestly, yeah, yeah.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Because it's still satisfying to watch them, like having affected
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: each other in positive ways.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah because either way. Yeah, like their lives are better
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: for having known each other. And then the super sentimental
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: part of yourself is like they are adapt Yes, how
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: does it ends? It end? I want to talk about
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: how it ends.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: It's so cute. I love that I tell us, tell us, Okay, so, uh,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: she's gotten this job. She also realizes that she misses
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: dom and that she has feelings for him and that
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: maybe she should do some grand gesture to try to
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: win him back, because they had discussed previously that he
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: was always the one doing grand gestures in his relationship
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: that were met with like.
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: Just like made me tear up. Is like, if you're
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: the grand gesture person in a relationship, it is so
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: satisfying to see someone.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: Do that for the other person. It's just so sweet.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: I'm like almost crying now.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: It's so nice and that's so true, the fact that
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: she's and actually like I did cry and I'm not
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: a crowder girl, but the first time I was like,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: oh my god, because you're right like watching that, it's
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: there were so many layers of satisfaction for the viewer,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: being like, if you're this person and you are usually
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: doing all this, but guess what you're about to see
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: it happen like for you essentially, and also fuck his
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: ex on a whole other level, because if you've rent
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: out a chicken shop that we had our first date
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: out and all of and I'm sitting there like this
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: is so.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: Like gets again British mode.
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: They had a chicken shop date up like the famous series,
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: and she was like, this does nothing for me, I'm
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: like this, this is British cannon.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Come on it wait because it was their anniversary and
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: he rented it out.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, how could you not? If you don't melt into
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: a pile of goo, grow a heart.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: It's like, are you kidding? I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: She's a grinch. It reminded me a quick story of
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: my dad and my mom. My mom and dad, one
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: of their first dates were I like a Big Boy,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: And this is like early seventies, and they went to
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Big Boy and she would always get she got extra food,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: like because she had like six brothers and sisters or whatever.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: And the only way that she could go out with
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: him is if he brought food back home for anyway.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: I remember years later my parents just celebrated their forty
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: six year or something like that, but this was like
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: maybe fifteen years ago. My dad was like, make sure
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: your mom has a really nice dress, a really pretty outfit,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: make sure she can get her hair done, all this
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. He didn't tell her where she's going.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: He didn't tell me where he's going. Why did he
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: make her? And they both got really glammed up. He
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: took her to the Big Boy Boy, the one that
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: they went. I was like, everybody, shut up. I honestly
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: think my mom was half and half. She was half
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: like this is very romantic, and the other half was like,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: are you kidding. Yeah.
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: It was like maybe when you get older you're like, yeah, hey,
• 56:08
  Speaker 6: I've been here.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: But it's just like, so it was so cute, and
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that his girl ex was like just
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: it just showed how much she wasn't for him.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: She's like, I filled in my eyebrows.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: For this and it wasn't even that good. That's a lie.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Her eyebrow sifting cradle.
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, she's gorgeous. It's yeah, I don't know.
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: I yeah, my fiancey proposed to be like we basically
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: went on our first date again. We went on the
• 56:33
  Speaker 6: same walk we went on on our first date, and yeah,
• 56:36
  Speaker 6: I was sobbing the whole time because I knew it
• 56:38
  Speaker 6: was going to happen because I basically planned it, but
• 56:42
  Speaker 6: I hadn't planned it being our first date again.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: I was like, so nice. It was like we were
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: literally we walked. We went on a two mile walk,
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: but it was really like, it's it's the sentimental.
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: But that's a sign that she's not really in love
• 56:54
  Speaker 6: if she's not like that part moved by that, because
• 56:58
  Speaker 6: you should be if you're really in love.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyways, anyways, okay, so this is called the movie ends.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: She's like, I'm going to do a big grand gesture
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: to win Dom back.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Yes she is.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, their mutual artist friend Nathan, who had the show
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the movie, now has another art show,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: this time about people's butts. It's like photography, but photography.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: I I like that he comes back. I was not
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: expecting that different.
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: Fun.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: And so Dom goes to the art show, but yeahs
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: is not there. But she does call him while she's
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: on a nearby boat, which he waves at. So she
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: sees him waving. She knows that he's the one because
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: he waves at the boats. Yes, apologizes for lying to him.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: They you know, run that. She gets off the boat,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: he runs through the neighborhood. They reunite and they're like, ha, oh,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: how good to see you again. Should we hang out?
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Kiss?
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Kiss?
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Kiss?
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: And that's the end of the movie.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: And it's so romantic and perfect and I just can't
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: and then I hit restart play again.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the movie. Let's take another quick break
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: and we'll come back to discuss and we're back.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: All right, Where shall we start, Shelley? Where would you
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: like to start? Because I'm all my notes on this
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: movie are like, loved it.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, I kind of want to start with the easter
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: eggs of it all, but I guess it really wasn't
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: an easter egg. I think it was such a perfect
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: just like old to London and like rom Com films
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: and South London in particular. But one thing that I
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: really loved was like seeing people, yeah, like Colin Firth
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: and all that. But I really, did you ever watched
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Absolutely Fabulous? The answer is likely yes, right.
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: I actually never yet?
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yes, God sorry, so incredible, incredible series,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: A huge part of my like pop culture upbringing. The
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: mom the one that talks more like that answers the
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: door when they go to uh the ex's house to
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: get the key. She was a recurring person in Absolutely Fabulous,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: and when I saw that, I just was like again,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: like Leonardo DiCaprio moment, and not just because she was
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: in this movie and that was super cool, but I
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: really love when black artists put things and people in
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: movies that only probably likely other black people will be like,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: oh my god, or as like a an Insecure did
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: that a lot with like the people like who played
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Easter Ray's mom like stuff like that. I just really
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: love that because it felt like it was a really
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: dope layer another a dope layer to blackness, which the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: whole film is a love letter to me. The whole
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: film is an absolute love letter to blackness and black love.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: And I hadn't seen anything like it in a long time,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: with maybe the exception of maybe the exception of the
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: photograph like but again, I'm just Eastern ray hand forever,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: so that could be it. But yeah, I guess that's
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: the main thing I wanted to start off with was
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: just that. And I think a lot of people make
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: films that say they're like an ode to this or
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: oh to that, and you watch it and you really
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: don't feel that connected to it, or you feel like
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: it missed you, or it feels a little bit like
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: maybe to them it's a very personal ode to whatever,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: and they think it's going to be this blanket everyone's
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: going to get it, but this one am I'm not British,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: like I am black, but I am right crazy. I'm
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: not like, I'm not from South London. I don't have
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: any like West Indian heritage and stuff like that. But
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: I got so much of the film even though I'm
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: this black girl from Detroit at Sundance watching it right
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: and it just felt so deeply well done, especially with
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: it being like a black rom com. I would definitely
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: this is a rom com for everyone. Yeah, but it
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: is a black rom com with to me, one of
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: the most important parts of it that both leads are
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: dark skin. They are not racially ambiguous. They don't have
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: like a curl pattern that you can't discern, like both
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: leads are tark skin, black British people, and it's so
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: beautiful to see it on film. So that's where I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: wanted to stay.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: But yeah, and the director speaks to this. I read
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: an interview with her rain Allen Miller in Elle magazine
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: as this movie was coming out, and she speaks a
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: lot about changes she made to the script, where, for example,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: the original draft had the movie set in Camden, which
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: and if I'm remembering correctly, oh gosh, London listeners correct
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, But it's a different area of London.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: I think it's like a kind of predominantly white area
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: that is known for its like kind of like artsy
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: hipstery vibes, but like very different vibes from the neighborhoods
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: we end up seeing in the movie. So basically she
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: got a hold of the script, it was sent to her.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: She was like approached to direct this. It's her feature
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: film directorial debut, and she was originally like, well, I'd
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: love for my first feature to be something that I wrote,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: but this script was so funny and I fell in
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: love with it, so she agreed to direct, but she
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: made some changes to the script. Here's a quote from her.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: She says, I had quite a lot of notes. I
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: wanted the female lead to the funny one, and I
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: wanted the world to feel more elevated. So when I
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: told stories, I wanted them to feel more dream like
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: and surreal. And then she goes on to say I
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: wanted the film to be a correct representation. The truth
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: of it is, being a person of color is a
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: hard experience, but there are also really good days, and
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: this film is about one of those really good days.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: It's so important to represent our experience correctly and not
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: just show grit. We also goof out, We also get
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: our hearts broken, eat Greg's on the bed and cry.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: We all have a three sixty experience of the world,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: and it's important that that's shown unquote. And then also
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: one of the changes she made was that again story
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: was originally set in Camden, that neighborhood of London, and
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: then she changed it to Peckham and Brixton in South London.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: And then obviously the title of the film is named
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: after the real Lifelane Market and all the like. So basically,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: like I was thinking of movies set in London and
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: what you usually see with that, it's mostly movies featuring
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: white characters. They'll take place in these like posh, upper
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: class neighborhoods, like we've talked a lot on the podcast
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: about like the movie and TV version of New York
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: City where only white people mysteriously live, and it feels
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: like London is similarly represented that way in media, especially
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: if you're thinking about rom com set in London. You've
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: got your things like Nodding Hill and Bridget Jones and
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Love Actually and Four Weddings and a Funeral, all of
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: which star Hugh Grant.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: Will say just watched the late as Bridget Jones very happy.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, I haven't seen it yet. You liked it?
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: I loved it, But I have such a connection to
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: that movie. But yes it was. I was happy. I
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: was very happy.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: I've been saving it for like a night room, like
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: I need this.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: Yes, okay, good.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: But Ry Lane is one of the few movies at
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: least that I've seen that's set in London that doesn't
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: center white characters, that shows pockets of the city that
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: are multicultural, that are racially and ethnically and socioeconomically diverse.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: A few other ones I could think of were things
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: like Bend It, like Beckham, Attack the Block, polite society,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: but so much of like how London is represented in
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: media is like very like, look at these rich white people.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Sometimes we're in the eighteen hundreds.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 6: Well, because I think that that view of England, at least,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 6: it seems still like fairly pushed in the US of
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: thinking of England as this white posh exclusively place, whereas
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: like all of the media I encountered about England growing
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 6: up would not have reflected any of the diversity that
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: you see when you go there, or any of the
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: class diversity that you see outside of like Oliver Twist,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: like all of the any class diversity you got, you
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: have to go back one hundred and fifty years, and
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: any racial diversity is like basically not there unless you
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: have BBC, which we don't, and so it's just yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: And when you push it, when they push it now,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: So like my thing, first thing that came to my
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: mind was Bridgerton, right, like, and they have like Queen
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Charlotte and stuff like that, there's always this debate level
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: of like did the blackness exist? And when we talk
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: about going back to a different period and like that's
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: such a time, right, and we think about like there's
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: always a debate because even still Bridgerton is on, it's
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: like a million season and every time it premieres, people
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: constantly debate on if Queen Charlotte was like actually black,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: And it's just so the erasure of black Britain is
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: just it's constant. And I was gonna it's so funny
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: that you bring that up about Attack the Block. That
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: was gonna be my other when I was thinking about
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: black film and it's not romantic, but when I'm thinking
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: about like a film from the UK, that's just inherently
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: black and brown. I definitely think of Attack the Block,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: and not a lot of people like talk about that movie,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: but it was so black.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: It's good.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: It's so good. It's one of the best like sci
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: fi ish horsment I've seen in a long time. Sure,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: but I think about that and it shows like.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: Wasn't that where like John boyego was discovered.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: And that's where John boyoga And then it like him
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: being in these sci fi ros is just constantly incredible
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: because he was also great and Weaklon Tyroll just great.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: But then I think about something like Chewing Gum, right,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: and that's another sort of like. But then with that,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: it's like there's so many doll ups of whiteness in
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: it because she is in an interracial relationship and all
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: this kind of stuff. But Attacked the Block and and
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Ry Lane are two black British films that I've seen
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: where I've just been like, I didn't have to play
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: like spot the black character, you know, and it was
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: just it was awesome. And I know it's had. The
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Block takes place in like council housing and stuff, but
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: that's either here nor there. It's just like another area
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: of black Britain, which is really cool that in another
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: cute movie. Sorry, Boxing Day, that's another black British rom
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: com that.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: Is so fucking good, just because every time you mentioned that,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: we write it down.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: But Boxing Day is such an incredible black cast movie.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: That's a rom com.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: Boxing Day is what like the day after.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Chris Days After, because it was like for the servants,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: that's essentially what it was for, Like they couldn't celebrate
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: on Christmas because they were like working for the family,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: so they would get the next day. I think British listeners,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: please don't tell me if I'm wrong, actually find out.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: I want to know. Thanks.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: Well, see, I.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: Also just I read and I didn't cite it in
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 6: my notes, but that rain Allen Miller had previously stated
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 6: that she, you know, like like you were saying Caitlin,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 6: that she was hoping to that her first movie would
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 6: be on something she'd written herself, but also that she
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 6: was a little bit reticent towards rom comms in general.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: And I feel like you can you can feel that
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 6: in this movie in a good way, because she's like
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 6: pushing the genre forward in a way that like I've
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: never seen it before, and I'm so glad that someone
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: who wasn't like a diehard rom com fan made a
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: rom com because it it has all of the things
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 6: that we love about roalm coms, but also is not
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 6: being precious about the the tropes that we haven't needed
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 6: for decades, including the whitewashedness, including the like visual uncreativity,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: and it just all I just love it and rain
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: Alan Miller not for nothing, Like I'm just so glad
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: that I know about Eliah because she's so cool.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and she's just really really cool.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: She also I wanted to share another quote from this
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: LL magazine interview with her about the environment that she
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: cultivated on set. Here's just a quote from this piece.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: When it comes to creating an environment on set, Alan
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Miller cites a grounded and relatable approach is best now
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: quoting her, it should be fun, you know, it shouldn't
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: be hell, because even though it's important to work, it's
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: not life or death. Prioritizing people and making sure the
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: crew and cast could go home, see their families and
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: live a healthy life was important to me, she explains,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: noting that she wanted people like the film's production designer, Anna,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: who was eight months pregnant during filming to feel comfortable,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: everyone needs to feel like their opinions matter, She continues,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: from the runners on set to the young actors leading
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: the film. To make sure they're all singing from the
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: same hymn sheet doesn't mean that they can't have fun,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: explore and challenge.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 6: So truly, imagine not being punished for egotistical reasons on
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 6: a set.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: That's really cool.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Right, because we've talked about so many productions that are
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: directed by men almost always that it's like a dictatorship.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: The director is a tyrant. They're cruel, they're abusive to
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: their cast and crew.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: It's not what makes them great.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, but it's okay because it's creative
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: and just what comes of it, Like Lollie, absolutely not.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: I love.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 6: I think that this was the thing that was pushed
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 6: back a lot on at during the press cycle around
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 6: everything everywhere all at once. That was another very like
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 6: inclusive and thoughtfully crafted set where it's like, we don't
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: want this to ruin anyone's life, we want this to.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: Be a force of good. And what a concept.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: I'm so glad that she has a similar because it's
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: also just like showing respect to the people who were
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: bringing the vision to life, like yeah, and you can
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 6: really feel I forget if we talked about this earlier,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 6: but The Fish Islands was another nod to a British
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: comedy with Peep Show, Yes, which is like one of
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: my favorite shows ever.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: It's so good. I just and that's all I'll say.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: But I love it so much.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 6: It's just so clear that like Rain Allen Miller put
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 6: a lot of herself into this movie in spite of
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 6: the fact that she didn't write it. It was written
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: by I believe, so Nathan Bryan is a British mixed
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: race British actor, he's a white father, jamake a mother.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: I believe that Rain Allen Miller also has to ancestry.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: And Tom Malia is respectfully some white guy.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: So I was hoping you were going to say that, Yeah.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 6: I don't know, but yeah, it feels like, at the
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: end of the day, with due respect to the writers,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 6: this is her movie, because you can just see every
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: interview that I've seen with her seems to bear out
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: that like this was her vision of what she wanted
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 6: in a movie and didn't have. That also pays homage
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 6: to movies in comedy that she really loves and like,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 6: what more could you want?
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Totally the one small gripe I have with the movie,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: I'm so excited. There are what I might argue are
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: two different surprise kisses. One in the karaoke scene where
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: they've like just gotten off stage, and yes they are vibing,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: like the energy is there, but we don't know exactly
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: in what capacity, Like is it they're feeling horny for
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: each other or is it just the you know, the
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: excitement from performing. Either way, yes, kind of springs a
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: kiss on Dom without really checking in with him. This
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: does lead to them going into a bathroom and making
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: out later, so you can presume that he's receptive to
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: the kissing. But just like her kind of planting a
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: kiss on him without being like, hey should we kiss
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: that happens and then at the very end yeahes is like, hey,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: uh so should we go do something? And then he
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: like kind of shuts her up by kissing her and
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: she is receptive to it and they continue to make
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: out and it's cute. But like, I'm like, can we
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: do a little bit more in movies and in real
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: life to normalize checking in with people before we just
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: sort of like facially attack them with our lips just
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: a thought.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm like, well, I like the movie, so I
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 6: don't have that nuts.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: But I see what you mean.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 6: This is a very inclusive world that is still be
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 6: But I think it has to do it. We had
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 6: a simpler conversation around the Before trilogy where it is
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: ultimately kind of a pretty straight movie. But I think
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 6: that that has to do mostly with the kind of
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: myopic nature of we're following a straight presumably straight couple.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: We don't know for sure throughout the movie. I don't know.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 6: I'm just like not inclined to knock this movie in
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 6: any way, shape or form. So I'm like, it was canon,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 6: it was totally fine. And why didn't it have a
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: theatrical release outside of the UK?
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Fair question.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: That's how I feel too like it. I do agree
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: with like, we could do a lot more work around
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: asking or not even making it such a thing where
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: it's like, hello, fellow person who I would very much
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: enjoy to put lips upon, May I kiss if thou
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: But I start saying that exactly that way, verbatim.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Exactly that way all the time. Text me after let
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: me know what happened.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: Actually, could you record a voice memo for me and
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: then I'll just play that people.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: You take it out and you go give me once
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: listen to this. Thank you so much.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Hold on, sorry, I have to find it.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: Hang on scrolling, she texts a lot. But I do agree. Yeah,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: there definitely should could be a lot more work around it.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: I think just in my head, to be honest, like
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: as I was watching it, it didn't come to my mind,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: and not until just now where you just said it,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: to be honest, like, I think I was so wrapped
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: up within the rom com of it all. And then
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: I think also why it didn't hit for me is
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: because of the after was like yes they did go
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: into the bathroom to make out, and then like yes
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: they did, like the camera panned in a fucking circle
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: and then it went up into the sky and I'm like, ah,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: that was perfect. Of course he could kiss it, so
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: it wasn't something that was It wasn't something that was
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: top of mi mba. I definitely do understand how we
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: could put more conversation around doing so. Yeah.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: I mean even in that first one at the karaoke
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: bar when she kisses him, he is a little taken
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: aback and he's like oh oh, and she's like oh sorry,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: and then he's like aha, wait and then he like
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: kind of pulls her into the bathroom and then they
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: make out. So like her kissing him sends the message
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: to him that like she's down to kiss, and then
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: he's like, okay, now let's go make out. So like
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: the aftermath, like the results worked out just fine. But
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: that's the thing with the surprise kiss. You don't know
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: what the aftermath is going to be. You don't know
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: how receptive the person is going to be to the
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: kiss unless you check in with them first. So I'm
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: always just a proponent of being like heyd I okay
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: if I kiss you, or to quote you, but I
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: forget what you said and I pull up.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: Hello person that I would like to le Hello, fellow person, sorry, hello,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: fellow person that I would like to put my lips upon.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: May if I kiss this thou thou wow?
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: So ever after of you.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, don't make me go watch that movie tonight.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: Why it's been on my mind recently, but it has.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 6: But nevertheless, no, I I I totally agree with you.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: I think I'm it's so funny because Shelley. Right before this,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: we recorded an episode that Caitlin was like going to
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: the mat for.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: And so it's like The.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Little Rascals is a genius film with great comedy.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: It's okay.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: I I can't wait to hear that episode because I
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: have thought, I have thoughts. I have thoughts.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 6: I have thought, Yeah it is it's fine, it's fine,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 6: it's fine, and we're safe. Did anyone else have anything
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 6: else to say about this? I mean a big thing
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 6: for me is I'm very happy that David Johnson's career
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 6: has continued to grow. But if Vivian Opara doesn't become
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 6: a movie star, it's curtains like she just like and
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 6: he and again it's like David Johnson's put in the
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 6: position like his character is very withheld. This is the
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: only I've seen him in industry in this. I haven't
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 6: seen Alien Romulus, Like they're both so talented. But I
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: was just blown away by Vivian Opara.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: Like her performance and her part is something that could
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: have been played poorly, where it could have been really
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: obvious that like I'm not the confident girl that I
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: say I am, but she just pleays it so well.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: I just like I really love her. I can't wait
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: to see her and more.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: He was in and I had to look it up
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: because I don't know how I came across this show.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: But it's called Dead Hot and okay, there's another guy
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: in it name blal has No. I apologize if I
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: pronounced his name wrong, but he's in a show called Extraordinary.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: Did you watch that on.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Hulu where I haven't seen it yet.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: It's so good and I think it's getting another season,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: but at least it has two and in that show,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: Vivie on a part. Isn't that but they co star
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: in the Dead Hot show and it's also another British
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: like series and it's kind of a one offer, but
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: it was last year, but it was really really good.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: And just for Black, he's incredible and extraordinary because that show.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: You can watch that show both seasons in like a day.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: I have many a time. But but yeah, Vivian Apar
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: is like a fucking star, like she's a star. And
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know if she has any like more projects
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: coming out, which I'm sure because I feel like that
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: always happens. We say that and then boom, like oh
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: if she hasn't anything, and then boom, like all of
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: a sudden, you see something where.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: She's we listened to this in two years in really yeah,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: not to.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: Worry, but I actually have never I think I've seen
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: like one episode of Industry, but I knew that that
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: was him because my my fiance also I am fiance.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: It's my fiance watches that show, so I didn't really
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: know his word. But I think he's incredible in this.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: But yes, she's she's a star. Yeah, she's definitely a
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: star for sure.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's just so refreshing to not just see
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: two dark skinned black actors starring in a romcom, but
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 6: just like two actors with such amazing chemistry.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: Chemistry was.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 6: A relief to not see casting by algorithm, which I
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 6: think we've seen so many times in the last handful
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 6: of years. It's just nice to feel like, and hopefully
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 6: you know, in many movies to come, when you see
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 6: a rain Allen Miller movie, she actually cares. If you
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 6: believe that these actors are attracted to each other, you know,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 6: it's just great.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: And even the other couples within the movie too, right,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like they all had chemistry. Like I
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: also believe that Dom's character like they could be friends.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: That of course that's his best friend, right, Like, oh yeah,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: it just is like because they went they had been
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: going to school since like elementary sorry primary comary school. Apologies, Yeah,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: but they But I believed that friendship too, And I
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: also believe the coupling of that artist and his girlfriend.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: And I definitely believe that a coupling of her ex
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: and his new girlfriend. The only one I didn't believe
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: was the best friend in Dom's X because what, that's crazy.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: She must be in a really dark place, A dark place.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that is like a scary Yeah I was, she
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 6: was an asshole, but I was also like, and I
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: know I was projecting, but like I'm a little worried
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 6: about her, because if you're leaving your sweetheart, you know,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: like long, even if you've fallen out of love over time,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 6: this is not the guy you jumped to.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: He's an idiot. But he also played dumb so well
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: because I watched a lot of the interviews, Like after
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: I saw this movie, I couldn't get enough. You ever
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: watch a movie, You're like, I need more content, I
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: need behind the scenes. So anything that came out on YouTube,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: I'm watching interviews I'm watching like where they make them
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: play the little silly games on like Instagram. I'm like, yeah,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: that's that's so funny. But he's so funny. He's so funny.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: They she created this world that I believed and it
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: was this close. I think for most of the runtime
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: to be my favorite little mini genre, which is movies
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: that take place on one day. So I think for
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: most of the runtime it is like the same.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: Day until the last like fifteen minutes.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it counts. It was before coded to me like
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 6: people falling in love over the course of.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 7: A day, Like you're reading three movies like on a walk,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 7: which is what when you said that Jamie about like
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 7: being on a walk, right, and you're just falling in
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 7: love on this walk.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: I also I connected with that too because I just
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: like to remember my second day with my fiance. It
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: was very much we went on a fucking walk, like
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: and we ended up at like a restaurant and then
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: like all this stuff. But to see that be on
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: film but for black people, the Harry met Sally of
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: it all, like the Nodding Hill, all of it just
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: like this beautiful, awesome setting. Because I know when we
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: think of Harry met Sally. We think of the park
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: and the leaves changing and all of this, But now
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: there's this film out there where instead of like inserting
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: myself into it and being like, oh, this could happen
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: for me, because I used to put myself in Harry
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: met Sally like all the time, right, I'm like, this
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: could be me or whatever. But you can only do
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: that for so long when you don't see it on film.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: That's why I always go back to Love Jones another
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: walking and Falling in Love like film. But then I
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: saw it in ry Lane and you're just like, they're
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: just hanging out and they don't know they're falling in love,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: but the viewer does, and it's just really dope to
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: see it play out. And I think it was just
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: like it was played out perfectly. And then the trope
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: of like she's extroverted, he's a little introverted. It can
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: be so lame, but it worked again here too, because
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: I believed in their chemistry so.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 6: And I love that the truth of how they portrayed
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: themselves ended up falling somewhere in between where she wasn't
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 6: as extroverted as she wanted to project herself to this
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 6: guy that she didn't think she was ever gonna see again,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 6: and just all of these things that like, I don't know,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 6: I just yeah, it's so exciting to see these like.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: Micro dynamics that you have either witnessed.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 6: Or experience in a rom com where basically there is
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: no there's nothing, there's only things that you are used
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 6: to like aspiring to experience. So yeah, it passes the
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 6: back to test, does it not?
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't know because I yeah, please, I was concerned.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't know if it did.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: Actually, I think maybe it does between yees.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: Such as you would want it to.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: But it yeah, okay, between yeaes and Jules's moms, yes,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: although they do kind of talk about Dom most of
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: their conversation. And then Yes also talks to her best
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: friend Cass. She talks to like the people on the
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: set of the movie she's working on. Those are very
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: like tertiary characters. I don't think we learned their names,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: so you can debate on whether or not those exchanges count.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: The thing about a movie like this where it's so
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: hyper focused on a hetero relationship, so it's like a
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: man and a woman talking, and like the Before trilogy,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: they will encounter people along the way, but it's really
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: focused on them. I do appreciate like the encounters they
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: have along the way being with I mean, you get
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: queer visibility with like the two moms with Mona, who
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out if that was intended
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: to be a non binary character because they use they
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: them pronouns to refer to Mona.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 6: Not totally sure, and if so, it's again just like
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: effortless in a way that if this was a real world,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 6: you wouldn't have to like stop and be like, hey,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 6: everybody are real familiar with non binary identity. I will
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 6: say I noticed that. And what sent me over the
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 6: edge is the Bechdel Test Fest, which is based in London,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 6: where and we've never been invited to kind of interesting, insane,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: but that they were heavily promoting how much they love
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 6: ry Lane and they do not promote movies that don't
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 6: pass the Backtal test, at least in passing.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: I don't think that it passes a lot, but I
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: do think that a couple a couple of times it does.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if we're not counted, because that was gonna be
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: my thing about counting the cast on set or everybody
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: on set, because she's talking to people in wardrobe and
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: then the direct you know what I mean, Like, whenever
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: she's in conversation, it's always about her and him. But yeah,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: I oh, wait, doesn't she It's not that it doesn't.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say the lady that she compliments in
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: the store, but that is too short of an interaction.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's just like cool outfit stranger basically.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think it's a little up for debate
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: because a lot of the conversations she does have with women.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: Technically it does, but it doesn't pass.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 6: A lot a lot, right, Yeah, But I'm also like,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 6: spiritually to me, and again this is maybe me just
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 6: being defensive, Like, spiritually to me, it does pass well.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: The other thing too about it is and you know,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: we always talk about how the Bechdel test is just
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: a jumping off point, like it's not the end all
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: be all of Like is this movie feminist?
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: It was written as a joke, and it wouldn't.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: If more movies did handily pass, this wouldn't even need
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: to be a conversation that we have at all. But
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: like in an ideal world where there was far more
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: inclusivity in movies and that more movies did have women
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: and you know, people of marginalized genders interacting with each other,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: it would be okay for a movie to not handily
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: pass as long as it was you know, like doing
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: other things for representation purposes, which this movie for sure does.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 6: And I think it matters of like who's behind the camera,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 6: because I think a lot of times that we gripe
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 6: about the mental test, it's because we're trying to be like,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: we like this movie, but behind the scenes it's unequivocally
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 6: all white men for the most part, and that is
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 6: just the case.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: Here.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 6: We have black cinematographer Olin Collardi. We have one woman producer,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 6: Ivonne is Amazato. We have a woman who edited it,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 6: which is very rare, Victoria Boydell, who has edited.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: People like the movie twelve Monkeys, right, I haven't seen it.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's one of my favorites, right, yeah, Brad Pitt
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: and Bruce Okay.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: The only reason I know about sorry about twelve Monkeys
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: is because of can't Harley Waite when she there, somebody
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: references it in can't Harley Waite.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 6: I have not seen it, but she is a longtime
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 6: British editor, So I just feel like this movie walks
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 6: the walk in front of and behind the camera, and
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 6: I'm not inclined to be like, well they're because sure, yes,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 6: there could have been more interactions between women. I think
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 6: that we should never pooh pooh that as something that
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 6: should happen more.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: But it just really does feel. And there's also so
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: original music from.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 6: I haven't heard of him before, but Quays a black
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 6: British musician who has worked with all of these famous musicians.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: And I believe this was his first score.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 6: Like, you can just feel that this movie is coming
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 6: from a genuine and thoughtful place, and behind the camera
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 6: is just as diverse, and so for sure it passes
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 6: the factual test.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: I definitely b with that too, about the behind the camera,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: and then like just how she is in her interviews
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: as well, the director, like Ryan is very just Yeah,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: so I vibe with that too.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: As far as our nipple scale, where we rate the
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: movie on a scale of zero to five nipples based
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: on examining it through an intersectional feminist lens, I think
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: this movie does so much and even though it is
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: centering a hetero relationship, that doesn't mean it's bad that
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: those do happen in the world sometimes and the idea
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: is how are they portrayed and framed? And this movie,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: I think does a spectacular job where the characters are
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: very very relatable, and their problems are relatable, and their
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: personalities are magnetic, and the little love story journey they
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: go on feels very grounded. And I think I'll give
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: it like four point seven five nipples. I'm gonna dock
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: it for the surprise uses that you could argue are present,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: but other than that, I really can't find anything else
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: to nitpick about this movie. So yeah, it's gonna be
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: very high marks for me. And I'll give my nipples
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: to the two leads as well as the director, rain
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: Allen Miller, and I'll set aside my point seven five
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: nipples for the two moms, and then I'll give the
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: final full nipple. I don't know if I'm doing this
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: math right at all, but I.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: Think you just want to give it five nipples and
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: that way you have more. No.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: I feel very strongly about the kissing.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, give it away though, because I have to pee.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay, I'll give it to the to
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: Rye Lane market.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 6: Oh, I'm giving you five nipples. I totally hear your criticism,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: and I am and this is problematic of me, but
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 6: I am giving it a pass on vibes. I loved
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 6: this movie. I was like, I don't know, it is
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 6: so nice going into it, because we've watched hundreds and
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 6: hundreds of movies for this show, and there I can
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 6: count on probably two hands when the times that I've
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 6: gone in to watch a movie for this show, and
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 6: it has been clear to me very quickly that like,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 6: unless something wild happens, this is going to become a
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 6: movie that is like with me for the rest of
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 6: my life. And this was like that rare experience. I
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 6: was so happy. I'm giving it five nipples selfishly, but
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 6: also because I think it deserves it. I wish that
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 6: there were more movies like this, and I am actively
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 6: upset and have my suspicions as to like, why do
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 6: we not have wider releases of black rom coms internationally?
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 6: I think that that is a very pointed thing, because
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 6: there is no reason this should not have gotten a
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 6: wide release internationally.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: It's so is so.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 6: Many like Country Miles better than rom coms we've gotten
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 6: released internationally in the last several years. It's just like
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 6: if you haven't seen it, go see it. Five nipples,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 6: distributing them equally between ray Now Miller and Vivian Opara,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 6: my two parasocial friends.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Beautiful Shelly, how about you.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: I'm surprisingly giving it five nipples.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: WHOA.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: I know, I'm so sorry to shock everybody. I apologize.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: I know I've been talking so much shit like for
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: the past three hours. Five nipples of course, because I think, well,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: four nipples to just like the movie in itself and
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: the cast and Vivian and all of them. But the
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: main nipple, the one nipple, also goes to just how
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: connected I am to this film. I feel like this
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: film was a part of a very personal experience for me.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: It was my first sun Dance. I had been invited
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: on my own merits, like I write about film and
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: pop culture, and I got asked to come to this
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: huge fucking thing that like, honestly, a lot of like
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: marginalized culture writers, black culture writers specifically don't get invited to.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: And I got invited to this place and I saw
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: this movie that made me feel like my whole sort
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: of experience of writing and film kind of just came
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: all together. And then I learned who was behind the camera,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: and then I got a chance to show it to
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: another like a group of just black people who were
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: who enjoyed it that night. Is just so close to me.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: It's a rom com story and I love love, love, love,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: love love. So it's like another big part of it
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: is that I didn't have to pretend to see myself
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: on the screen, and that mattered a lot to me
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: because it's twenty twenty five and I oftentimes still have
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: to do that. So Yeah, five nipples across the board.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Amazon, oh Shelly, thank you from the bottom of
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 6: our hearts for bringing us this wonderful movie to us
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 6: and the listeners if they haven't seen it, thank you
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 6: so much.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: Of course, thank you for having me. I'm loving this
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: is that being here? This is my favorite. Oh wait,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: can I give Can I say something, Jamie? I heard you, Mama,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: I heard you on here to help pod? Okay, Oh
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: my god, let me tell you something. I listened to
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: very few podcasts nowadays, just because like I feel like
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: at one point I was listening to so many. You've
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: narrowed it down to like five, of course, one of
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: which the beca c is a part of. But I
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: was listening and then I said, I know that voice
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: because I was I was watching. I was like, and
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: that is like one of my favorite podcasts in the
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: fucking world. So and you killed it, and I just
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: was so excited for you. I know both of you
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: are doing such big, cool things, but it's so cool
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: when people I know I get to hear them on
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: something and I just am so happy for you. And
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: you just killed it. It was funny, it was great.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: I was really nervous. I'm glad you.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 6: I'm glad you liked it because I was, like.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: It was it was awesome. You held you definitely held
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: your own for sure. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: als for having me.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: Thank you. It's all our treat.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: It's our treat.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: Truly come back anytime. To talk about Boxing day.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, for a boxing day, yes please.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: That movie is so cute and there's gonna be a
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: second one. I hear, I don't know, but it's so cute.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: It's so so so cute. It's really cute.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: An extremely boxing day.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, an extremely boxing day.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: Very extremely boxing day.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 6: I do kind of like this vibe that you are
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 6: foreshadowing your next episode in every previous appearance.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: It makes sense.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: If I can find like a black queer summer movie
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: that I love that, I'm just gonna send the email
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: and be like, hello, everyone looks like I'm coming back
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: in jeer.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, please do please do amazing.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: Where can people find your writing, your work? Follow you
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: on social media, et cetera.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: Tell us everything, So Hi Shelley dot com h I
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: s h E l L. I will get you to
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: everywhere I am, which is main just Instagram, where I'm
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: Ao Shelley like a yo s h o I. And
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: then I'm on Letterbox at high Shelley Hi saht o I.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: Those are the only two that I use. But yeah,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: because I'm not on X, I guess I'm on Threads
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: because I also already have Instagram. But it's the same, right,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: But yeah, you can find all my stuff there, including
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: links to my substack, which I just getting back into
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: and but yeah, I love it, So subscribe to my
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: substack because I'm fun and I'm awesome and I'm very pretty.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: It's so true.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 6: I just followed you on letterbox and what is number
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 6: one on your favorite films? But Riley exactly walking the
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 6: walk as far walking the walk.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, I am being I'm for real about this shit.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: Well, this rocks.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: Please come back anytime and please yay. You can follow
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: us on social media. We have a letterbox too, which
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: we never plug. We also never plug our link tree,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: which is relevant because we if we have upcoming shows.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: Our patreon is linked there, our letterbox is linked there,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: et cetera. So yeah, link tree, slash Bechtel Cast, Instagram,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: and our patreon, our Matreon where you get two bonus
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: episodes every single month, plus access to the back catalog
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: of episodes. Currently, we're in the middle of Rodent Timber aka.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: We're covering Ratitui and the Great Mouse Detective.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: Try not to panic.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: I was wondering what the other one. I knew.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: There was a heated battle between There's so many roady
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: movies I have so bad.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 6: You can get our merch at republic dot com slash
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 6: b Bechdel Cast and with that buy something or don't
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 6: I have to pee?
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, bye, love you bye. The Bechdel Cast is a
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: production of Iheartmeat hosted by Caitlin Derante and Jamie loftis
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: produced by Sophie Lichterman, edited by Moe La boord Our
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: theme song was composed by Mike Kaplan with vocals by
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: Katherine Volskrosenski. Our logo in merch is designed by Jamie
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: Loftis and a special thanks to Aristotle Assevedo. For more
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: information about the podcast, please visit linktree slash Bechtelcast