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Talks to Lucy McCaul, Dave Rennie & Daniel Knight about their choice of Planet of Fire (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to, I'm still live a blunt, penknife Doctor, Who
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  country. Pop course, that's a great
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  beginning. I am bag with the, for some is
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  back together again with becoming a little troop.
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  Now, I'm here with the Delirious, Lucy McCall, say
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  Hello, Lucy. Hello the fabulous day.
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  Ready? Hello?
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  And the Magnificent Daniel night.
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  Hello, lo. And after our meteoric, success,
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  Kind of evil. Unfortunately, the failure as
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  far as I harvest concerned who still hates it, but yeah, but we
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  did make him. We didn't make him listen to
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  four episodes of us. Banging on about it though.
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  Yes. Yes.
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  So, he found some entertainment in there somewhere.
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  I'm going to ask Lucy, what story we are daring to cover
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  today. Okay, today we are tearing with
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  a daring to cover, perhaps cover.
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  Isn't quite the right word, may be uncovered, would be the right
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  word planning to fire, indeed. And before we jump in, I got a
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  little something. I want to say to all three of
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  you. Yes, you may all sit there and
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  look a bit scared. All right.
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  Remember I did ask for permission.
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  Know what I wanted to say was. Thank you, thank you so much for
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  contributing to this thing and giving your time up.
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  Thank you very much for supporting this thing, and, and
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  thank you for being so lovely. To all those people.
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  The sort of dip their toes in this community, you guys have
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  been like massive supporters of hamster from the first time you
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  came on. So I just wanted to say a very
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  quick, thank you, before we go into the story.
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  I think you're all amazing. You all deliver fabulous
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  recordings, but you just stalwart members of this
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  community. So thank you very much.
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  Thank you. Yeah, the pleasure's all over?
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  Yeah. After you find the pleasure's
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  mine. That's a brilliant young again.
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  But no we are here today to talk about planet of fire.
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  We're going to moderate this one episode of Peace me on one day.
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  Von no Lucy. Oh no Dave onto the sea on three
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  and Daniel on for quick thoughts.
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  Before we go into one Daniel. Episode 1 sticks in my mind for
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  two reasons. No, but I was going to say
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  Nicola Bryant but the other one is that is the Fantastic
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  photography, Lucy, waving her breathe.
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  Yes, they it's it's a bit of an odd, one really isn't it?
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  Because it's, it's, it's not bad, but it's not, I think
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  being. So, again, like plan, this is
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  evil. It's a match between two, really
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  well-known and well-loved stories.
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  I mean, even resurrection of the Daleks, I mean, it was quite a
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  big hit in the day. I'd probably I know.
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  Some people don't like it, including the writer, but it's
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  sort of a little bit of a stopgap between You know the
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  bloodbath is resurrection and then the bloodbath is case
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  Founders Army. I think there's only one person
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  in this that gets killed off actually and on screen so it's
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  quite mild. What are you Dave?
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  What are your thoughts initially?
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  However, in different, this story, I think it was the last
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  device and I saw and I do love that say anything to do with it,
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  but a lot happens in the story in its on its in Lanzarote.
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  So it looks like an alien planet, but I don't know why.
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  I just, it just doesn't grab me or, I don't know, but those good
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  things that we'll talk about. Yeah, just a bit.
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  Yeah, one. That's what I'm afraid.
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  How about you look safe. Yeah, I like it.
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  I do there are things in it that are not so keen on things that I
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  didn't notice when I was watching it.
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  When I was a child that I now notice is an adult but I'm
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  really not so keen on it does seem sometimes that there's a
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  lot happening, but it doesn't feel like there's a lot
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  happening in a couple of places but the he's it's nice that
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  they're out on location. It's nice that there.
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  The doctor has a nice waist coat on and that's very nice.
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  And it's obviously the end of tolos redemption Arc and the
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  beginning of Perry's introduction to the Tardis.
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  And the master is in it. Of course, but yeah.
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  No, I enjoyed it. I enjoy it when I watch it.
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  So what I really like this but I think it doesn't hold together
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  at all. It's got there's mad shopping
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  list of ingredients in there and a ton of plots and Of those
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  plots really Belong Together, the master being shrunk
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  chameleon, the the face, angle Perry, joining turlough leaving
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  and that whole back story. And yet, I think all of those
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  plots work and all the seams work, they're just almost in
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  together, into one story. It's starting to feel again, a
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  bit like the master being shoehorned into stories, isn't
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  it? Because he had to be in The
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  eclipse, the it could have happened without him being in
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  it, with, with Tim love being the main threat as it were and
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  potentially more Sinister than he actually is in it.
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  But yeah, I don't know. You guys got the clothes hangers
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  or you don't screw up. Yeah, the other episode 1
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  because there's so Camp - I will call him in episode 2 as well.
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  Since Although I wish somebody would learn how to stick that,
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  Bloody beard on him. It's literally all over the but
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  you watch it in this story. It's all over, the bloody place
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  needs to keep his here on in this story, a bit when the top
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  of the mountain but what it did up so I'm like sort of me to
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  talk to you Lucy's a little bit below me I think maybe Daniels a
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  little bit below her and then Dave's the one that's got to be
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  convinced the most I think even with that sorry, what would
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  somebody care? The counters into episode 1 then
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  0 we can finally see Telos pants.
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  Sorry, it's last time you went quiet, lots of five.
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  Okay. Okay, five, four, three, two,
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  one. Okay.
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  So my first question is this now I kind of know the answer for
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  this one for Lucy because we did the visitation together.
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  So I'm going to come to you last the Davison era as a whole Dave.
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  What's your opinion? I like it.
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  It was one of the first ones I saw probably all the way through
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  because they were, they always seemed when the VHS come out.
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  They all seem to be Davison stories.
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  So, I think now it is, is when I watched the more or less than
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  others, but I've also got a soft spot for him because it's his
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  stories with the ones always seem to be 0, but it's chaotic
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  as, on as there're three companions, which I don't think
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  works. He's it's one of the more is not
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  a dominant doctor so it's totally different but but the
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  companions he's got am not quite sure if that's a good Dynamic to
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  have with TK and, and awakes this all over power.
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  Remember But yeah, I think Davison's good and they're all
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  and is the first sort of naturalistic doctor doesn't.
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  He is not a big. As I see a big powerful, Tom
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  Baker, risked character And yeah.
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  So yeah I like it which means to massively sort of powerful
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  personality. Oh yeah.
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  What about you that Daniel. I mean, I grew up watching the
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  Peter Davison era. So it's, it's my era of Doctor
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  Who so to speak. I mean, it's the, it's the, it's
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  the first year of Doctor Who that I sought watched all the
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  way through and there are as a kid.
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  I absolutely loved it and I love Peter Dave since dr.
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  As an adult. I think, you know, at the
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  Nostalgia, sort of wears off a little bit and there are stories
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  that are the don't work, and there are ideas that don't work
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  and I think, Pink one, I think it does suffer from a lot of
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  writers not knowing what to do with the doctor being such a
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  naturalistic amiable person and I think sometimes Peter Davison
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  can he's actually even sometimes more angry with his companions
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  than it is with the villains you Snipes in quite a lot.
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  But Does very little emotion in this, it's almost as if the the
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  script editor had to keep it. Action action action, conflict,
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  conflict conflict, whereas it would have been nice for.
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  There's there are a couple of occasions where the compact the
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  doctor and a companion. Get the opportunity to be nice
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  to each other and kind to each other, but it just always seems
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  to be that. He's that he's really having to
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  bite his tongue. With not just with Tegan.
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  But with with all of them, With Nyssa even and, you know, so as
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  an adult it's not my favorite era but I do, I do enjoy it and
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  there's still in the room, the nostalgic value of it.
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  And Peter Davison is a really good actor as well.
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  So I'm very glad he, he was the doctor, you know, when those,
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  when those moments of kindness like bleed fruit, there's a
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  moment in more than Undead. We're Takin just stops the
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  actions that when I was thinking about.
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  Yeah, you were going to give up your life for us.
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  Thank you. Much.
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  Yeah, what's this money? There people all of a sudden.
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  Yeah, they see that they've sanera.
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  Well, he's still my doctor. I think he was the first one
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  that I that I watched and Yeah, I still watching them back.
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  I wasn't sure whether I like them as much as I did before,
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  but I still really like that. It's still really feels like
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  sort of my era that I'm comfortable with.
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  They were my first told his team, it's clearly plastic.
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  Sorry. Looking at the see what the
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  screw. This mysterious mysterious metal
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  object that they pulled out of the sea.
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  Yeah, I I don't know, I suppose maybe it's still sort of child
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  me. I'm still partly watching it as
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  a child, but I still really enjoy them and I really like it.
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  And I think there's a lot more to his doctor than first meets
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  the eye. II.
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  Also, he was given absolutely no direction on how to play the
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  path. It just to the congratulations.
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  You're the doctor off you go? Yeah, I think it was more for
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  put his costume wasn't there, but that's GMT for you.
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  Okay, so we are on our side. I know third overseas location
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  in this. We've done Paris, we've done a
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  damn and boy. It sounds like they were hijinks
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  there. And now we're in Lanzarote, I
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  mean, okay. One of the one of the issues
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  that My overall fast with this is that Lanzarote and Psalm are
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  clearly the same place but you know what, kind of think who
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  cares. Whether the location work?
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  Is this good? Is this, is this something that
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  you only, what do you guys think of heading out to these
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  expensive locations? For a doctor who story?
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  Dave, is significant and to see a place that which totally alien
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  mean they've done it in the new series, as well, didn't he?
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  When they went to Dubai? Why?
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  Because they wanted somewhere on the cousin called any houses or
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  any fun yet by. Yeah.
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  I think it's its sales the whole billion plan.
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  If I mean, you get saturated being in the UK and going to be
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  cheese and so, yeah, I'm all for it.
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  I mean, whether it be never been to South Africa, nobody's and
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  absolutely think about local next.
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  I still think this is the best Bloody Quarry we've ever had.
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  You know, I can dig. They volcanic Landscapes of As
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  our Aussie, the volcanic landscape, that's actually a
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  volcanic landscape. Well, we seen what was that the
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  beginning of City a day? If I think that's bad supposed
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  to be a similar sort of thing, isn't it?
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  You know that model shop? The spaceship in prehistoric
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  ofice opposed to be that sort of thing?
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  I've not been the ones that already, but I've been in a
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  couple of other Islands, even to do.
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  We really are. When you do think you're on the
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  moon have you been to Lanzarote Daniel?
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  No, I haven't. No my sister won't like last
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  year with her family and they said it was beautiful.
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  If you like lots of rocks and volcanic, ash volcanic, ash and
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  and stuff like that. And it does look good on on
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  screen. But as you say, having the
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  opening scenes, where the with that are set on Earth being
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  filmed in the same place, it does kind of you.
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  You don't, you can't in your mind sort of separate them from
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  you know, that just over the other side of the Hill, they
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  were filming the volcano and then just down on the beach.
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  It does look a little bit similar, but you know, if if
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  they can afford it, I think it's well worth it.
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  And those, you know, the Director of Photography, I think
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  really owns his money on this because there are some
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  fantastic. We just when you just asked that
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  question, a moment ago, there was Fantastic shot of the two
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  guys walking across and the mountains behind them, you know,
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  on doctors small miniscule, budget.
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  You got to try and get as much as you can and make the most of
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  it. Whether going to a foreign
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  country is making the most of it.
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  You could argue isn't all it is but I think yeah, I think it
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  looks. I think it's worth it.
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  There's that there's that very funny story that Gareth Thomas
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  tells about them recording a Blake's 7 episode in some dreary
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  English Quarry. And they went.
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  Or what's that noise over the overhaul?
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  Their, will you go over and tell him to shut up and they go for
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  the hill and it's Doctor Who filming on the other side.
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  A bloody Mountain. Well, you're not gonna have that
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  trouble here in Lanzarote. Oh, I started remembering.
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  Sorry. I just, I just remember in
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  Doctor, Who magazine at the time, they used to have that
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  sort of a little cartoon strip called Doctor Who by two guys, I
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  think they're called Tim Quinn and to see how it or something.
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  Yeah. And there's a, in the This panel
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  is it's John nathan-turner and Nicola Bryant carrying the
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  Tardis prop and and John nathan-turner, say well, come on
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  Perry, look on the bright side when we're not in a slate Quarry
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  in Dorset today our way and she's nowhere a slate Quarry in
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  Lanzarote, okay. Speaking of Perry, I am not
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  going to steal this story because turlough is leaving a,
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  he's joining and I'm going to save all of that for you guys in
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  two to four. Or what I want to ask is that
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  this story has an unusual angle to it, which is about religion
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  and faith, and is explored in interesting ways.
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  And obviously, I'm going to point it.
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  You down, you and I want to ask you about this and what you
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  think about, how they deal with it in this story.
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  Do you have any thoughts? The classic series never really
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  has a positive angle on religion.
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  Even when you've got a character like reverent Wayne writing in
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  curse of fenric, he has a loss of Faith because it because of
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  the war and that's that's his downfall.
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  I mean it's interesting because when when I was resolved
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  watching this the other day you were talking about you would
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  release the commentary about Meg loss with Nathan.
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  That kind of similar plots, both dealing with Skeptics versus
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  religious types. So here, instead of Jaclyn Hill
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  you've got Peter wyngarde, both characters are actually Four
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  classic dot to. They're quite sensible.
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  They're not raving lunatics. Raving religious zealots like
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  the guy in the face of evil or I covered all the guy in Power of
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  Crowell. John, I've been here a veneer is
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  character. It was really yeah.
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  And there's one of the things that I couldn't work out is when
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  they talk about logo is logo, the mountain is logo.
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  The volcano is logo, the figure in the silver suit because logo
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  is the figure because I said he saw him and he spoke to him.
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  Yeah. When he was up the mountain
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  later on, he says, he's, he, he saw him an idiom, he spoke to
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  him, Right, because it seemed to be.
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  When they, the two guys went up to the volcano, it was like, oh
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  he isn't here, he isn't here. It's like, well it doesn't, I
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  don't know, maybe just wrangles to me because I, as I ever face
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  of my own, but it's a bit like, you know, Richard Dawkins saying
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  to, you know, I don't know. Brian blessed.
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  Tell you what? Brian go and climb up Everest
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  and see if you can find. God, is he up there, although,
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  we brought use it, you know. It's like for me a god.
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  Isn't a figure. It's a, it's God doesn't have
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  the Christian God or the Jewish. God doesn't have a physical
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  corporeal existence. So it kind of is a bit and all
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  the gods in adults who seem to be sort of a physical
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  manifestation, you got, it's either a giant squid or it's or
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  it's a volcano of the figure of a volcano or it's a, it's a
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  dodecahedron. So almost immediately.
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  It's you've got, it's sort of, it's sort of like a symbolic
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  worship of rather than a spiritual worship.
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  If that makes any sense. You know what I think works is,
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  I think Tim and off is written as a bit of a nutcase like he's
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  sending them off to the Flames at the end, you know, he
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  sacrificed himself and she think despite what Peter Davison may
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  say in the very bitchy commentary where they're
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  laughing, their heads off a win, the girls performance for,
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  Throughout. I actually think he's actually
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  given it layers and he's a bit more thoughtful than that.
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  I think he is quite thoughtful. I think it's only when the
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  master turns up and sort of stirs things up that he then
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  starts to want to put the young believers in the Flames.
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  So, you know, it could be, You could argue that it's extremely
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  unlikely. That Peter grimwade is making a
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  digger to sort of false prophets or Falls privileges or you no
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  hate preachers or Ever. But it is a yeah, I think he's
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  very it's a very considered performance.
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  It's not hammy. I've been saying that just, I'm
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  speaking here shouting is like but it's quite it's quite
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  thoughtful. It's not like it is a bit like
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  Lexa in Meg loss there is, there is a thought to it.
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  There isn't, there is a, he's quite reasonable.
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  But You're right, though? He's convictions quite a cynical
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  portrayal. But as far as this over to Lucy.
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  Now, they do, you think you think religion is something that
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  Doctor Who, which is essentially like a action-adventure show for
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  kids, should tackle given some of the other sort of issues and
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  things that it's tackled. I don't see why it wouldn't, but
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  it would have to be careful with it.
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  Obviously there are people that some people would say that it
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  shouldn't tackle it at all. And would object very
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  strenuously to the depiction of any kind of commentary like
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  that. Yeah, I think that that Peter
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  wind guards are performance, he's more layered, although he
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  was very reasonably telling the lad at the beginning that he'd
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  be given the courage when he when he had to put somebody in
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  the flames and it did no harm to burn the order unbeliever now
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  and again Take, you do to encourage the others.
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  But yeah, it was that I don't know.
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  I mean it's because it is a thing of thing.
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  It because faith is of importance to people.
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  And this is an action adventure drama show.
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  So people who write, either in criticism or in examination or
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  things that are really important to people, need to be careful
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  when they do that. I think within I think faith.
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  In any sort of meaning of the word is actually better handled
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  in the new series. I think episodes like gridlock
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  explore faith in a really interesting.
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  Very moving why? Yeah, it's really I think this
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  is particularly Jody Sera. Faith is seen as a positive, you
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  know, you know, she says at the end of the battle of Run score
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  of Carlos about, you know, keep you that keep the faith and
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  that's two characters who are of a religious persuasion as well.
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  Keep your faith, you know, have hope and also in Demons of the
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  Punjab where she says about faith is and love and that's
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  beautiful. Oh hello.
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  Sorry. You know, I'm going to go from
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  the fourth floor to the facetious now then because
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  there's an awful lot of Skin showing this story.
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  And so there, Dave, Of course. Well, there aren't 10 is or
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  These Foolish for them to have lots of layers on.
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  So I think it's sort of Justified in this story.
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  It's the weird Critter. You think the wafer gonna come
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  and shoes Perry on that boat is gratuitous.
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  No, I'll just think about. Well, if you feel it was just
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  us. Short of a fan can do it.
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  So, Lucy marketing temperatures I don't know that gratuities it
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  was why doesn't he just take his shirt off, Heaven's Sake, if
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  he's gonna swim in the sea, take your shirt off, but I don't
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  know. It's sort of seemed to sort of
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  linger down her back a little bit.
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  And again there's the whole you know, family show thing.
• 24:20
  One thing else here. Sorry as that we had the course
• 24:22
  up short period but we never got a close-up shot of Mark
• 24:25
  striction before he went in the pool, the other so we could see
• 24:27
  He's ripped muscles, you know, going into the sea and the color
• 24:30
  was Far Away. Ripped muscles?
• 24:32
  Are you kidding me, right? He's skinnier than I am.
• 24:35
  But you know what, what I consider to be the rudest
• 24:39
  sequence and all of Doctor Who when he takes her into that
• 24:42
  bedroom in his underpants and her, and her knickers and froze,
• 24:45
  her on the bed. Yeah, I mean, imagine if a
• 24:49
  mother of a child acts walked in with the fish fingers at that
• 24:52
  point, you've like well, what the hell is going on here?
• 24:55
  They were actually swimming trunks, I think Yeah, yeah.
• 24:58
  Very very small ones but swimming trunks down the list
• 25:01
  that budget. In fact, a nudist beach whilst
• 25:21
  they were shooting. Yeah, it's rescuing Perry and a
• 25:25
  German nudist of which, obviously, we don't see in short
• 25:29
  was a hold of Paul Nicola Bryant who appear to be drowning in the
• 25:33
  water, dashed into rescue her and ruin the show.
• 25:38
  He gave a good thing at the camera when he was told that all
• 25:41
  Bailey would be informed about Lee.
• 25:49
  Yeah, I would love to see that. But you know what, for once.
• 25:55
  We're getting as much exposure of men as we are of women and
• 26:00
  actually that's kind of refresh it.
• 26:01
  So after a lot of years of poor women having you know, stepping
• 26:06
  around quarry's, wearing nothing but a bell.
• 26:09
  It's quite nice. That them in a flashing, their
• 26:12
  B, sorry ugly as well. Can I ask you about this about
• 26:21
  this bizarre thing, about her dream about her stepfather.
• 26:25
  What is that? No really, really creepy, isn't
• 26:29
  it? And that's not something I
• 26:31
  noticed when I was a child because I know not very old at
• 26:35
  the time, I would have been what 10, 10 or 9, or 10, and quiet
• 26:40
  quite a young 9 and 10 at that. But when I watched it during my
• 26:46
  grand re-watch earlier on, I I was like, what the hell is this?
• 26:52
  Yeah, that he is abusing her or something, possibly, possibly?
• 26:58
  Yeah, it might interpret each think about it too much.
• 27:01
  It's very troubling. It is it's particularly
• 27:04
  troubling. When you consider what happens
• 27:05
  to her in every single freaking story afterwards as well.
• 27:10
  Yeah, pursued and abused by God. Yeah.
• 27:15
  Everyone thought of that, I'd never thought of she is pretty
• 27:18
  much lusted after in every story and I don't think, and I think
• 27:24
  that's actually quite unusual. I think she's only the, she's
• 27:27
  the only companion that is basically in nearly every story.
• 27:33
  There's a character in some reference to her and it's
• 27:36
  normally the villains who make some reference to her being
• 27:39
  beautiful and tries to. I mean, you know, there's Joe
• 27:42
  Belle, there's What's his name in showers Jack the quite and
• 27:52
  even Master as well? Oh yeah, that's lovely.
• 27:57
  I fight her pleasing. Something.
• 28:00
  I've just thought about is it's quite nice.
• 28:03
  When you look at I mean, obviously it's debatable whether
• 28:06
  the ended and main board wins, you will surely the end of the
• 28:09
  trail for Time. Lord, when she goes off, the
• 28:11
  Brian blessed whether that's realistic or not.
• 28:13
  Or whether that was it. It could happen but it's
• 28:17
  actually quite nice. It there's a guy in that it
• 28:19
  doesn't what suffering? And he's more cheaper Lakers or
• 28:21
  as a woman and as our briefs or female but there was a polling
• 28:26
  at the end of that is she's you didn't the most awful way she's
• 28:31
  ever besides if you weren't out of her own.
• 28:33
  So like it's from the her first story all the way through her
• 28:36
  tenure to hurl a story. As it's, it's them, I mean, the
• 28:43
  one thing that she said, when she had the dream was about,
• 28:46
  don't quote the late that she see or prepare.
• 28:48
  Yeah, I mean, is it just a stepfather that was quite grown,
• 28:54
  pretty late? Or for, is it deeper than that,
• 28:56
  you know, like what were they getting it deal is the big, but
• 28:59
  we don't need to know. We don't want any little bit.
• 29:01
  It's yeah, it's notice to drop that in and yeah, as we do
• 29:05
  anything with it, strangers are 4 oz of are dropped into one of
• 29:09
  those. Is New Adventures for a second
• 29:12
  and it's strong enough that then chameleon takes on the form of
• 29:18
  how it felt. Yeah, yeah.
• 29:21
  So yeah I'm not sure what's really, really creepy too?
• 29:25
  Yeah. Because comedian Howard isn't
• 29:27
  all, you know, nice and smiley and no, sorry I left you on the
• 29:30
  boat. Did he look at him?
• 29:31
  He's really creepy. I mean, is I don't nap chameleon
• 29:35
  because I know one of you is going to talk about, but Jesus
• 29:38
  Christ, a fucking lie. Hi, Billy.
• 29:40
  Any that robot just going back to Japan.
• 29:44
  He apparently the bike, the character background will be
• 29:48
  never see any of it. As always happens in the 80s.
• 29:51
  Who is that? Our mom remarried.
• 29:54
  So, obviously it outright or mom or dad died when she was 13.
• 29:59
  Apparently, and she felt that her mother cared more about
• 30:02
  stepfathers feet children than her.
• 30:05
  So there's a sort of a disconnect But they never really
• 30:11
  explored that really. I mean is what happened in the
• 30:14
  repented that big finish audio was I was gonna say yes.
• 30:17
  So I have any of you heard that the reaping by Joel, its star
• 30:21
  usable what kind of so it's Perry's homecoming.
• 30:24
  She goes back to Baltimore and her mum's in it.
• 30:28
  Played with typical terribleness by Claudia, Christian that
• 30:32
  Savannah, VAR from Babylon 5, and she drops a name in this
• 30:37
  story. Mrs. Van Gogh icing him.
• 30:38
  Sheik I stole your mother's off of that mrs.
• 30:40
  Wang doctor, she's in that story.
• 30:42
  They're busy makes him Baltimore.
• 30:43
  Now off doing whatever they do and she has a very fractious
• 30:48
  relationship with her mother. So I think the idea was that
• 30:52
  actually, she has a good relationship with Howard's and a
• 30:56
  bad relationship with her mom. And that's what Nicola Bryant
• 30:58
  says in the commentary when she's reading out like the specs
• 31:01
  she had I think in realization and in that sequence where she's
• 31:05
  asleep Summit got a bit lost their yeah.
• 31:09
  Only must the master doing these videos.
• 31:11
  They don't we do it, dude. Okay.
• 31:13
  Can we all in quick succession? Just do do is line please.
• 31:18
  That's not go first. Yeah, I am the master and you
• 31:23
  look baby. I know that I am the master and
• 31:31
  you will obey me so sexy your accent, can you?
• 31:37
  Okay, I I am the master and you will.
• 31:41
  Oh, baby. Wow.
• 31:51
  Well, he is pretty campers. Neon City only, I mean, he's
• 31:54
  often the the behind the scenes of the he's been told to Camp it
• 31:58
  up and that's one thing that he sort of complained about JMT
• 32:02
  over the years so he could have played a lot straighter but they
• 32:05
  said no, no, no more more Arch, more Arch.
• 32:08
  I think you cancer. Evil.
• 32:10
  Yeah, she's in this he's a lot Sinister as well.
• 32:18
  Yeah. I think the most Sinister is
• 32:23
  when ironically when you don't see him but you hear the
• 32:25
  Laughing logopolis. Yeah, that's one of the few
• 32:28
  times as a kid. I was scared of dr.
• 32:32
  Who particularly, when you cause, you know, from the
• 32:35
  beginning, when the policeman gets dragged in and then you
• 32:38
  here, then you see, Auntie Vanessa going in and then you
• 32:41
  hear the laugh and, you know, that she's a goner.
• 32:44
  And then in part two, when you see Tegan's in the, in The
• 32:48
  Cloister area and You hear him? Chuckling you think?
• 32:51
  Oh no is she going to be a goner but fortunately she you know she
• 32:55
  survives but it's really a really Sinister laugh.
• 32:58
  I thought for a split second you left you were good as here in
• 33:01
  the Kings demons with it on so forth, but that's the compass.
• 33:05
  He's I'm sorry, I've gotta say please.
• 33:10
  Master is the one who has the most fun, like slapping on those
• 33:16
  Daffy disguises. You know, you insulted thinking,
• 33:19
  I'm gonna help Up myself to him immortality you know he's a God
• 33:25
  I'm doing that once you miss. I oh my God.
• 33:34
  Yes, want to talk? You're going to do the kings
• 33:41
  demon soon ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba.
• 33:46
  It's a load of shit but I'm sure you'll do it.
• 33:49
  Just knock on to it. I'll cut it there.