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Piers Morgan Taunts Serial Killer Mark Riebe in Dangerous Interview _ _TrueCrimeCentral · History Dark

• 0:12
  Speaker 1: How do you do, sir?
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  Speaker 2: Sir.
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  Speaker 1: Here's Morgan. Good to see you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm hard of hearing. You've got to speak real loud.
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  Speaker 2: OK.
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  Speaker 1: In both ears, or? Both ears.
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  Speaker 3: OK.
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  Speaker 4: OK.
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  Speaker 1: You can hear me OK?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: OK.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how we were going to do it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to go through everything that's happened to you.
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  Speaker 1: And I just want you to be as honest as
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  Speaker 1: you want to be.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'd like, to get the truth out. That's
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  Speaker 3: what I want.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I've been granted a rare interview with a serial killer.
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  Speaker 6: Mark Reby confessed to murdering 13 women. He later retracted
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  Speaker 6: those confessions. Detectives believe he is a serial killer, even
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  Speaker 6: though he's only been convicted of a single murder. Is
• 1:05
  Speaker 6: this man one of America's most prolific killers?
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  Speaker 7: Mark will try to control you. He'll try to manipulate
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  Speaker 7: you and control your interview. He's going to paint himself
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  Speaker 7: out to be the victim. He's going to make himself
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  Speaker 7: to be the most misunderstood person in the world.
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  Speaker 8: When you tell a lie and it's so convincing and
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  Speaker 8: you have the ability to believe the lie you tell,
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  Speaker 8: it makes for a very dangerous person.
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  Speaker 1: You've been obsessively trying to nail this guy for a
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  Speaker 1: quarter of a century now, it's become a personal thing
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  Speaker 1: for you, hasn't it?
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  Speaker 7: What becomes personal to me is these people.
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  Speaker 3: These people are important to me.
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  Speaker 1: When I see Mark Riebe, what would you like me
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  Speaker 1: to say to him?
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  Speaker 7: It's time. It's time to give it up, Mark. It's
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  Speaker 7: time to bring this all to an end. It's time
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  Speaker 7: to give their family some sort of answers. And if
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  Speaker 7: there's any decency in you, this is the time.
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  Speaker 3: To do it.
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  Speaker 6: One night in August 1989, Mark Reby and his brother
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  Speaker 6: Alex pulled into this convenience store. Behind the counter was
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  Speaker 6: Donna Callahan, a young mother pregnant with her second child.
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  Speaker 9: When she looked up and saw him, he pulled the
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  Speaker 9: gun out and he grabbed her by.
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  Speaker 10: The arm and come straight out the door. Then she
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  Speaker 10: started crying. She asked why was we doing it and
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  Speaker 10: what had she done to us. Said she was pregnant
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  Speaker 10: and that she had a little girl. She didn't want
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  Speaker 10: to be hurt.
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  Speaker 6: This confession led to the arrest of Mark Reby. Alex
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  Speaker 6: had pinned the murder on his brother.
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  Speaker 11: Mark, did you kill Donna Callaghan?
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  Speaker 6: After Donna Callaghan went missing, her father launched a tireless
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  Speaker 6: three-year campaign to find her. He petitioned the US president,
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  Speaker 6: and eventually a team of special agents were assigned to
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  Speaker 6: the case. One of them, Dennis Haley, has now been
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  Speaker 6: engaged in a battle of wills with Mark Reby for
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  Speaker 6: almost 25 years.
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  Speaker 1: So Dennis, we are about an hour from where Donna
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  Speaker 1: Callaghan was taken.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, we are.
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  Speaker 1: And it took seven years to find her body, and eventually...
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  Speaker 1: you managed to locate what was then the remains of
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  Speaker 1: her body just up here, right?
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  Speaker 7: Actually, it's right in this area right here, about 20 feet,
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  Speaker 7: about right in there. And this used to be a
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  Speaker 7: clay road here. This wasn't a blacktop. And all the
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  Speaker 7: clay dirt ran off in here, which made the grave
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  Speaker 7: quite deep.
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  Speaker 1: Of all the places to put a body, can you
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  Speaker 1: offer some rationale for why they would choose somewhere like this?
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  Speaker 7: When I've talked to the profilers, they tend to believe that,
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  Speaker 7: that this is something every time he drives by he
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  Speaker 7: can think about. This was convenient. It was in sight
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  Speaker 7: of their home. Their home's just right up the road here.
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  Speaker 7: It's someplace they can drive by every day and know
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  Speaker 7: where that body's at. He can think about that night.
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  Speaker 7: He can think about the thrill of the kill. It's
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  Speaker 7: something they can check on almost daily.
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  Speaker 1: He confessed to killing 13 women. Do you believe that
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  Speaker 1: the bodies of the other women might be somewhere in
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  Speaker 1: this area, buried away in these kinds of trees?
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  Speaker 7: Pierce, that's what's always been so frustrating because I do
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  Speaker 7: believe that. We have evidence at at least four other
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  Speaker 7: dig sites that there was human decomposition there. And we
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  Speaker 7: know that Donna Callahan's body was never moved. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: it was here since 1989, so who was at these
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  Speaker 7: other sites? And Mark often talked about there being a
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  Speaker 7: graveyard out here with four to five bodies in it. So, yes,
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  Speaker 7: I truly believe that there's more bodies out here.
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  Speaker 12: Bay County Sheriff's Office investigators say they're getting closer to
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  Speaker 12: charging someone in the murder of 18-year-old Jacqueline Brandt. Investigators
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  Speaker 12: say 46-year-old Mark Rebe is a person of interest in
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  Speaker 12: Brant's murder. Rebe is currently serving a life sentence for
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  Speaker 12: the 1989 murder of Donna Callahan.
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  Speaker 5: Beach police, along with FDLE agents, have Mark Rebe's confession.
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  Speaker 5: Rebe confessed to killing Pamela Ray and burying her on
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  Speaker 5: this land. Investigators, along with cadaver dogs.
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  Speaker 12: There have been reports that Rebe is also responsible than
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  Speaker 12: many others, but investigators won't confirm that information.
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  Speaker 6: If Mark Reby finally tells the truth about these murders,
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  Speaker 6: it would make him one of America's worst serial killers.
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  Speaker 1: How long have you been in prison?
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  Speaker 2: 21 years.
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  Speaker 13: 21 years.
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  Speaker 1: Because you took part in the brutal murder of a
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  Speaker 1: young woman called Donna Callahan.
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  Speaker 3: Donna Callahan, yes, sir.
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  Speaker 1: That's why you're here?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 1: With Special Agent Haley... Right. to him over a period
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  Speaker 1: of time that you killed 13 women.
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  Speaker 3: This is what Detective Haley has put out.
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  Speaker 1: He believes that you killed eight. I just want to
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  Speaker 1: go through why he thinks you killed them. And I
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  Speaker 1: want to give you the chance to respond to each
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  Speaker 1: of these cases and explain why he's wrong. The first
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  Speaker 1: lady is this woman here.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know who that lady is.
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  Speaker 1: This is Bonnie Ryther. She was found buried after missing
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  Speaker 1: for a week in 1978. The reason that... In what year?
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  Speaker 8: 1978.
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  Speaker 14: 1978.
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  Speaker 1: I was 17 years old.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Special Agent Haley believes this was your first victim. Absolutely not.
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay Sams, she was a 35-year-old woman.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know who that is.
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  Speaker 1: You don't dispute at the time. You confessed to Special
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  Speaker 1: Agent Haley.
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  Speaker 3: I did confess it.
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  Speaker 1: You did confess to her. This is Andrea Durham. She was.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know who that girl is. I did not
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  Speaker 3: confess to that one.
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  Speaker 1: You never met Andrea Durham?
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  Speaker 8: No.
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  Speaker 1: Andrea Durham was 14. I know, and I never confessed
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  Speaker 1: to that crime. I'm just going to finish. She went
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  Speaker 1: missing in 1990. abducted from her home. Now, both of
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  Speaker 1: your stepchildren knew Andrea, they were friends.
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  Speaker 3: They may have been friends, but I didn't know all
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  Speaker 3: my kids were friends. They didn't hang around my, she
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  Speaker 3: didn't hang around my house, I'll put it this way.
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  Speaker 3: They may have knew her, but she didn't come to
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  Speaker 3: my house, never been to my house.
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  Speaker 1: You told Special Agent Haley I like to drink.
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  Speaker 3: Keep going with Special Agent Haley.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just going to go through what they claim.
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  Speaker 3: No, you're back in his story.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, Mark. No, no. Wait a second.
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  Speaker 3: No, no. Stop this right here.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, Mark, Mark. Let me explain to you. No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 5: Mark.
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  Speaker 3: This was supposed to be.
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  Speaker 1: I understand.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing like this. I see where you've been and got
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  Speaker 3: all your information.
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  Speaker 1: No, Mark, Mark.
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  Speaker 3: Captain, we're through here.
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  Speaker 1: No, Mark, Mark, Mark. Let me explain.
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  Speaker 3: Mark.
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  Speaker 1: Mark, let me explain. Can I explain to you? Let
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  Speaker 1: me try again. Let me try again. I'm not judging
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  Speaker 1: you at all.
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  Speaker 3: No, yes you are, because the way you keep saying, why.
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  Speaker 1: Would he have a reason to lie? No, all I'm doing,
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  Speaker 1: all I'm doing, you don't deny that you admitted at
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  Speaker 1: one stage.
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  Speaker 3: You didn't let me finish, go on either. You keep
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  Speaker 3: wanting to go back to this.
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  Speaker 1: I understand, let me give you the chance to respond
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  Speaker 1: to each of these cases.
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  Speaker 3: There's no responding. I didn't do those cases. But you're
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  Speaker 3: not listening. You keep saying, but yes, you did.
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  Speaker 1: Then I will show you more respect and I will
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  Speaker 1: listen properly to what you're saying. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go through them because I want to get to
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  Speaker 3: the port. I'll tell you how I shut this down.
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  Speaker 3: And this office is still good today.
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  Speaker 1: This is Donna Callahan.
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  Speaker 3: I know who Donna Callahan is.
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  Speaker 1: She's the woman that you're in prison for. She's the
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  Speaker 1: woman that you are accused with your brother of killing,
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  Speaker 1: brutally killing. She was pregnant. She was a young mother.
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  Speaker 1: But when you look at that picture, what do you feel?
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  Speaker 13: Sir?
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  Speaker 1: When you look at her picture, what do you feel?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what to say.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: My heart goes out to her, her daughter, her mom
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  Speaker 3: and dad, her family, and to her. I just blurted
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  Speaker 3: it out. You know what? I was there that night.
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  Speaker 1: But nobody, Mark, no innocent person is going to admit
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  Speaker 1: to being party to the murder of a pregnant mother.
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  Speaker 3: There's been a lot of people who have made mistakes
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  Speaker 3: and said they committed crimes they didn't and got out
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  Speaker 3: of prison.
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  Speaker 1: Who actually killed Donna Callaghan?
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  Speaker 3: My brother killed Donna Callaghan.
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  Speaker 15: So you drive along and all of a sudden Mark
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  Speaker 15: climbs over the back seat, gets on top of Donna
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  Speaker 15: and starts to strangle her.
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  Speaker 2: What did you hear?
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  Speaker 9: I heard her saying no and don't do this to
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  Speaker 9: me at first and then I don't know how to
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  Speaker 9: describe the sound.
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  Speaker 10: It was like a, it sounded like to me, it
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  Speaker 10: sounded like he'd cut her throat or something.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: It just sounded like a real fleshy sound.
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  Speaker 9: Because when I heard that, I turned around and she
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  Speaker 9: had foam in her mouth.
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  Speaker 15: How long did that go on?
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  Speaker 10: It took a while.
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  Speaker 1: Before she quit.
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  Speaker 4: Mark Reby went to trial and was convicted of this crime.
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  Speaker 4: He could have gotten the death penalty. With this morning's agreement,
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  Speaker 4: his life is spared. Reby admitted that both he and
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  Speaker 4: Alex Wells kidnapped and killed Donna Callahan after robbing the
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  Speaker 4: convenience store where she worked in Gulf Breeze.
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  Speaker 1: Reby pleaded guilty to what he had done.
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  Speaker 7: I am pleased, and my daughter is pleased, Donna, who's
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  Speaker 7: going to rest in peace now.
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  Speaker 16: I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Mark, if you could just do me one favor. You
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: keep tapping your foot.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: It's just, it's making a bit of a noise. So
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  Speaker 1: if you could try and keep your feet, just be
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  Speaker 1: helpful for the recording.
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  Speaker 6: Mark Reby is serving life here in Florida's Blackwater River
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  Speaker 6: Correctional Facility. He was just months into his sentence when
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  Speaker 6: he started to make a series of extraordinary confessions.
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  Speaker 7: Raise your right hand for me.
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  Speaker 17: You solemnly swear or affirm the statement you're about to
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  Speaker 17: give will be the truth, the whole truth, and.
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  Speaker 9: Nothing but the truth.
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  Speaker 15: Say what you got.
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  Speaker 6: Over a period of four years, he told detectives gruesome
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  Speaker 6: details of how he killed 13 women.
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  Speaker 18: Let me ask you this one question, Mark.
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  Speaker 1: Did you abduct and kill Adela Rae?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 10: There's no doubt in your mind whatsoever.
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  Speaker 6: Many of these women went missing not far from a
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  Speaker 6: sleepy railway town in northern Florida. Mark Reby spent his
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  Speaker 6: teenage years here, This is the house he lived in
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  Speaker 6: with his mother, sisters, and brother. Donna Callahan's body was
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  Speaker 6: discovered in Woodland, just 350 yards from here.
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  Speaker 19: So we had an indirect personality assessment questionnaire completed by
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  Speaker 19: some family members on Mark Reby. And one of the
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  Speaker 19: things we noted was he had no life goals or ambitions.
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  Speaker 19: And you could see him going from job to job
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  Speaker 19: to job. I mean, he was just an insignificant man
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  Speaker 19: who didn't really amount to much in his life. And
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  Speaker 19: I think he was very self-aware in terms of that.
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  Speaker 8: If you're a serial killer, you like power and control, manipulation.
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  Speaker 8: They're plain-looking. They're average-looking people. And they're a charmer. I'm
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  Speaker 8: not saying that Mark has a magnetic personality, but I
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  Speaker 8: have seen him do the charmer thing with women.
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  Speaker 1: Mark, do you like women?
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  Speaker 3: Do you like women? I'm not a rapist, nothing like that.
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  Speaker 3: I respect, I see nothing, they're my equal. When I
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  Speaker 3: was into a relationship, I didn't want somebody to subvert me,
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  Speaker 3: I wanted somebody to It was my partner who lived life.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted somebody to enjoy life.
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  Speaker 1: You've been married four times or five? Four times. Why
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  Speaker 1: do you think the marriages never really worked?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, well, that was easy. On the first three, it
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  Speaker 3: was always me. As far as being faithful, that word
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  Speaker 3: didn't enter in the picture with me. It wasn't the ladies.
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  Speaker 3: All three of my first wives were very Good ladies.
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  Speaker 3: Loved them to death. Afterwards, not while we was together,
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  Speaker 3: because I was too busy. I was partying. I was drinking.
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  Speaker 3: One big party.
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  Speaker 1: And you cheated on all of your wives?
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  Speaker 3: Always, yeah. I always had another lady on the side.
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  Speaker 3: That's the way it went. Then my fourth wife. That
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  Speaker 3: one paid me back for everything that I did.
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  Speaker 1: In what way?
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  Speaker 4: How?
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  Speaker 3: By cheating, yeah. And she's the one I stayed with
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  Speaker 3: the longest. I stayed with her for years.
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  Speaker 1: Do you respect women?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I believe I do. I'm not going to put
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  Speaker 3: my hands on a lady physically, you know, beat her.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't believe in that.
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  Speaker 1: So you don't think you're a violent person?
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a violent person. If I was confronted the
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  Speaker 3: wrong way, yes, I could be. I think that's anybody
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  Speaker 3: that would defend herself. But as far as go looking
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  Speaker 3: to cause problems for somebody, no.
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  Speaker 7: I've seen him get really angry one time. He'd been drinking.
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  Speaker 7: He was at a bar up in Decatur, Illinois. I'm
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: up there interviewing him, and he got really, really angry
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  Speaker 7: at his wife. And he instantly went from zero to, like,
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  Speaker 7: ready to kill somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Something just completely trivial.
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  Speaker 7: Yes. It shocked me that he got so angry so quick.
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  Speaker 7: I thought he was going to attack her that night.
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  Speaker 7: And the only reason I don't think he did attack
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  Speaker 7: her that night is because he was in a public place.
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  Speaker 1: In terms of motivation for Mark Reby to be a
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  Speaker 1: serial killer, what do you think it is?
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  Speaker 3: Power.
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  Speaker 7: Overpowering somebody.
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  Speaker 3: Control.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think it's sexually motivated.
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  Speaker 1: Yet all his victims are young women between the ages
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  Speaker 1: of 13 and 35, 36. I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very specific category.
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  Speaker 7: And they're all small, petite, not more than 110 pounds
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  Speaker 7: at the most.
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  Speaker 1: Any of them?
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  Speaker 7: They're all small, small ladies. Even all his wives were
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  Speaker 7: that way.
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  Speaker 6: Pamela Ray fitted Mark Reby's victim profile perfectly. In the
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  Speaker 6: spring of 1999, One year into his life sentence, Reby
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: made an astonishing phone call. He spoke to Pamela Ray's father,
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  Speaker 6: who was still searching for his daughter almost seven years
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  Speaker 6: after she'd gone missing. Reby told him that he had
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  Speaker 6: killed her.
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  Speaker 5: Front Beach Road wasn't anything like this on that early
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  Speaker 5: morning in August when Pamela Ray pulled up to this
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  Speaker 5: motel parking lot and tried to check in.
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  Speaker 2: I went out there to begin with thinking, oh, we're
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: going to cover a news story about a lady who
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: took a walk on the beach.
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  Speaker 1: She's going to return.
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  Speaker 2: By the end of the night, by 10 o'clock, we'll
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  Speaker 2: find out what really happened. And we didn't. And that's
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  Speaker 2: when I realized when I went out there, this isn't
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  Speaker 2: just a story about a missing person.
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  Speaker 6: Pamela Ray had taken her two children on holiday. Leaving
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: them asleep in her car, she went to check into
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  Speaker 6: a motel, but one stood on this site.
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  Speaker 20: This is Pamela Ray's vehicle as she had parked it
• 20:29
  Speaker 20: 25 years ago. We know that a police officer with
• 20:35
  Speaker 20: the Panama City Beach Police Department saw Pamela Ray and
• 20:40
  Speaker 20: she was talking to an unknown individual that was standing
• 20:44
  Speaker 20: between the motel office and this pool fence. After that time,
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  Speaker 20: we have no visual of her ever again.
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  Speaker 17: I slipped my knife out of my pocket and popped
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  Speaker 17: it open real quick, and.
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  Speaker 2: I grabbed her.
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  Speaker 17: She made what you call a real loud.
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  Speaker 3: Scream, but she made some noise.
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  Speaker 7: I told her to shut up.
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  Speaker 3: She made another sound. I killed her right.
• 21:14
  Speaker 20: Then and there. Around 8.30 the following morning, the office
• 21:22
  Speaker 20: motel calls in reference to the two children being in
• 21:25
  Speaker 20: the car crying.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: The daughter was very, very young and cheerful, and that's
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: why I knew she didn't understand what had just taken
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: place with her mom. And her son, of course, he
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: started and crying, you know, please come home, Mama, bring
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: my mom home.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Mark, try to think of something, tell us something that.
• 21:54
  Speaker 10: We can go back with that leaves no doubt in
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: anyone's mind that this happened.
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: I don't think I can think of a single key
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: that I picked up.
• 22:08
  Speaker 16: Where did that key come from?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Could he be a complete fantasist? Could
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: he be making the whole thing up?
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: I don't think so. I struggled with that at one time.
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: I thought, could this all be a bunch of crock
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: of crap, as we say? But, no, there's just too
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: many details about certain murders. He had information that only
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: the killer would have had.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Give me some examples of the detail of killings where
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: only the killer could have known that information.
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: Jackie Brandt, this girl right here, she went missing in
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: April of 1986 out of Panama City Beach, Florida. When
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: she went missing, nobody really even reported her missing. I
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: get Reby out of prison and I take him over
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: to Panama City. He takes me to a bar over
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: there called The Playground. That was a place she used
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: to frequent. How would he have known that? From the playground,
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: he says that he met her there in the bar.
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: They came out of the parking lot. They smoked a
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: joint together, and he got mad at her, and he
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: strangled her to death and killed her inside his car.
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: And then he drove from there, and he wanted to
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: get rid of her body. He then takes it up
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: the road, and he was within 100 feet of where
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: he dumped the body. How would he know that? This
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: is what he enlisted as a homicide.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I just.
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: I don't believe in coincidence. I believe that he killed her.
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: And it's just sad that we don't have the evidence
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: to support that.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: Reby confessed to killing Pamela Ray and burying her on
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: this land. Investigators, along with cadaver dogs, will be spending
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: at least a week combing through the thick brush and
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: woods for Pam's remains or any evidence that could link
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: Reby to her.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: Pamela Ray's disappearance has been continually investigated since 1992. Her children,
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: who were five and 12 years old at the time,
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: may never have the comfort of knowing what happened to
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: their mother. Her sister Rhonda has helped look after them
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: for much of their lives.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Pamela was your oldest sister. She was my oldest sister.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Five years older than you.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Five years older.
• 24:40
  Speaker 18: She loved me. We used to do everything together.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Everything.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: With our children.
• 24:48
  Speaker 18: Wherever she went, I was there.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Your father died believing that Mark Raby had killed your sister.
• 24:55
  Speaker 18: He told me that Mark had confessed to him. And
• 25:01
  Speaker 18: at that time, you know, I thought, Very well. Sure,
• 25:05
  Speaker 18: he could have done it.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: But if it's the case that he lied to your
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: father about killing your sister, what kind of person would
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: do that?
• 25:17
  Speaker 18: The worst of the worst. I don't even understand how
• 25:23
  Speaker 18: you could do something like that to another person.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Your father sadly died a few months later, as it
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: turned out.
• 25:30
  Speaker 18: He fell out of his bed, had a heart attack,
• 25:35
  Speaker 18: And he was dead just like that.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Do you think that the strain of what happened to
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Pamela contributed to his death?
• 25:46
  Speaker 11: Absolutely.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: I absolutely do.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: You think he may have died of a broken heart?
• 25:52
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 25:53
  Speaker 14: I know he did.
• 26:01
  Speaker 18: It breaks my heart.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Now, Pamela Ray was 36 years old, and she.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I know the story.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: She was... Do you know what happened to her?
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: No, I do not know what happened to her.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Do you know she was abducted, murdered?
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: She was abducted.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: You confessed to killing her. I did.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I said I did, yes.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: But when you made the confession, a confession you've now retracted,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: you gave them no information, along with the confession?
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I told them... I think I stabbed her. That's
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: what I told them.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I think I stabbed him.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: I think I said that. I'm not sure. That's what
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I told him.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: How?
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: But you also, and this is unique in this case,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you also spoke on the telephone to Pamela Ray's father.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Do you remember that conversation?
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Mr. I remember talking to that man.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: What do you remember telling him?
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I don't remember exactly what I told him. I told
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: him I was responsible. And that was it.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: You told him you killed his daughter.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: I think I did. And I... What really bothered me
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: was I never got the chance to tell that man
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: that I wasn't the one responsible.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: He died soon after.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, he did. I have to live with this stuff.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: It's not easy.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to be unfair on you, Mark,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: but at the same time, I do want to try
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: and understand the mentality of a man who would tell
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: a grieving father who's lost his daughter.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: If I could tell these people, make them understand... that
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: it wasn't done out of malice towards him.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: How much more malicious could you have been than to
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: tell a grieving father that you killed his daughter?
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: I wasn't thinking like that at the time. That wasn't...
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I put their feelings aside.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: When you heard that he died, did you feel... What
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: did you feel? Did you feel anything?
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: He died because of me. I don't feel like he
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: died before. I don't know how the man died, but no.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: But he died believing that you had told him.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: And I just told you. That's what a thing that
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: really eats at me. I never got a chance to
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: tell this man the truth.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Here's what I don't understand, Mark. I want you to
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: explain to me. In 1998, you confessed to Special Agent
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Haley that you killed 13 women. Why?
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: He led me in to give me the information for
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: these confessions. because he wanted to make his career off
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: of me.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: So an investigating agent gives you all this information, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: now he says you gave it to him.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: I've been saying it for a while. Why would you?
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I was trying to get some help from my son
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: at the time. I call it the deal with the devil.
• 28:53
  Speaker 16: MUSIC PLAYS.
• 29:05
  Speaker 17: The confession you have just heard is a lie. That's
• 29:08
  Speaker 17: what Mark Reby is now telling.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: Me.
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: He made a deal, he says, with Special Agent Dennis Haley.
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: In return for Haley protecting his son from what he
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: felt was a threatening situation, Reby would admit to multiple murders.
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: Haley broke this agreement, according to Reby, so in return,
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: he withdrew all his confessions.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: You see why I would be skeptical?
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: I'm not asking you to believe me.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I don't care if you believe me. I'm looking at
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: a man that has admitted to me telling a special
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: agent and his colleague that you killed.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I don't care what you believe or anybody believes.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Let me finish. It's not about what I believe.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I had to maintain that. I could not come out
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: of that character.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: You were prepared to admit you were one of the
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: worst killers killing all these women in the most heinous way.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: You were prepared to admit that just to try and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: help your son.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I didn't see what they did with me. They could
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: have put me on death row at the time. I
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: told him if that's what they wanted to do, I
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: would go that route. I would maintain that thing.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Until the end. What doesn't stack up to me in
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: your position is if you admit you confessed to all
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: these murders to Special Agent Haley, why he would then
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: feel the need to invent All this detail that he
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: says you gave him.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: He wanted to make his career. He wanted his limelight.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: He doesn't need to make a career out of you.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: He's just a special agent investigating crime all day, every day.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: He told me what I had to do.
• 31:20
  Speaker 19: If Mark Reby is claiming that he was confessing to
• 31:26
  Speaker 19: a number of crimes in order to protect... His son,
• 31:31
  Speaker 19: my advice would be to view it the way his
• 31:35
  Speaker 19: family members would view it, in that he claims to
• 31:40
  Speaker 19: be the protector father, very engaged with his children, when
• 31:45
  Speaker 19: in fact their perception of him is he has nothing
• 31:50
  Speaker 19: to do with them. He is not engaged with them.
• 31:53
  Speaker 19: He is an absentee father and didn't really care about them.
• 31:57
  Speaker 19: That's their words, not ours.
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: I'm struggling to get much in the way of truth
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: from Mark Reby. But at least the victims' families can
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: now judge for themselves. For Dennis Haley, trying to bring
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: them closure has been his life's work.
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: We have a subject confessing to several abductions and murders.
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: It's hard to judge because at times I sit there
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: and I'll be honest with you, I believe him, but
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: then nothing checks out.
• 32:41
  Speaker 14: Dennis has worked on a lot of these death cases
• 32:47
  Speaker 14: for 20 years.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: If not more.
• 32:50
  Speaker 14: He thinks, dreams, sleeps, eats these cases because he cares
• 32:56
  Speaker 14: a lot about the victim himself. and their families, they
• 33:00
  Speaker 14: become so important to him that makes him even more
• 33:05
  Speaker 14: so wanting to solve the case, and so he never
• 33:08
  Speaker 14: gives up.
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: Reby insists he was given all the details in his
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: confessions by Dennis Haley. But in the case of Rhonda Taylor,
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: a 23-year-old brutally stabbed to death in 1990, this could
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: not have been possible. Reby talks about an African-American man
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: being present in the car when he killed Rhonda. This
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: detail could not have been known by detectives until years later,
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: when DNA testing became widely used and evidence from the
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: car was examined.
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: Mark describes killing Rhonda with two black guys there. We
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: have blood in Rhonda's car that comes back to a
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: black male. I mean, how would he have known that?
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: He had information that only the killer would have had.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: This is Rhonda Taylor. She was found naked and stabbed
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: to death at the back of a car.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Yes, one of the ones, Dennis.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: You told the police at the time that you believed
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: that she had had sex with an African-American man and
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: DNA was found which confirmed she had had sex with
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: an African-American man. I was never a rapist.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not a rapist.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: No, not you, that somebody else, another man, an African-American,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: had had sex with her that night.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: No, sir.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: You never told police that?
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: No, sir.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Why would you confess to killing Rhonda Taylor if you.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Didn't kill her? I told you why I confessed. I
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: felt I had to, this was one of the cases
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: he led me to.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: You also confessed to your sister that you killed her.
• 35:07
  Speaker 13: Who?
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: You also told your sister.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: I told my, when it started, I had to go
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: to roll. I couldn't tell one thing and then be
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: telling somebody else something.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Why would you tell your own sister that you had
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: killed a young woman?
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Because they'd come to the prison and ask me about it.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: I had to. Dennis had me. I was already doing it.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Trying to get my son's thing. I can't. I had
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: to do it. I felt like I had to tell him.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: So you had to maintain the lie.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: I maintained the lie, basically.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Even to your own family?
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: To anybody. Even my kids. You don't think that hurt?
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: That killed me.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: You told your children?
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: My children were sitting there in the BP when it
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: was said.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: When you admitted killing these women?
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: My mom and my sister was talking about it. They're
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: always talking about it.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: So your mother and your sister and your children all
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: heard you confess to killing 13 women?
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Well, they were not all just confession, but they would
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: ask me, you know, they didn't ask me details like that.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: They said, did you say you did that?
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, how did your family react to hearing
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you say that you were a serial killer?
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: It wasn't good.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: I really don't have a lot of contact with any
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: of them.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Here's what I would say to you, Mark. You weren't
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: just hurting your family when you made these confessions. You
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: were obviously causing enormous hurt to the families of women
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: like Rhonda Taylor.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, I thought about them families, but I put my
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: son before them families.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: What do you say to the family of Rhonda Taylor who...
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: What would you say to the family of Rhonda Taylor?
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I made those confessions.
• 37:01
  Speaker 17: My last wife, ex-wife, she made a comment about what
• 37:05
  Speaker 17: I had done prior to these other people. She brought
• 37:09
  Speaker 17: up precisely Rhonda Taylor, for one. And she asked me
• 37:14
  Speaker 17: how could I do something like that, you know. I
• 37:17
  Speaker 17: told her I had nothing I was proud of. It's
• 37:20
  Speaker 17: hard to live with. It tears you out a little
• 37:24
  Speaker 17: bit every day. Like I said, I'm not asking for
• 37:30
  Speaker 17: pity from nobody. What I did, I'm not proud of
• 37:32
  Speaker 17: what I did. I did it. I didn't intend to
• 37:35
  Speaker 17: do it, but I did do it.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: This potential serial killer, Mark Reby, by not telling the truth,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: has really caused so much more hurt to so many
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: people like yourself by just not telling the truth. The
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: police believe he's guilty.
• 37:57
  Speaker 21: Right.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: He just refuses to come clean about exactly what he did.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: What do you think of that refusal, to be honest?
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: To me, if you.
• 38:16
  Speaker 21: Never admit it, never regret it, never sorry, never ask forgiveness,
• 38:30
  Speaker 21: then you're really worse off than we are.
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: This is the scene of the only murder Mark Reby
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: has been convicted of. Almost 30 years ago, Donna Callaghan
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: was working here. She was a young mother expecting her
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: second child.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: What is so horrifying to me about all this is
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the utterly random nature of these killings. This woman, Donna Callaghan...
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: was minding her own business, just working hard, let it night.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: She could have been anybody.
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: They're random victims, but they're also victims of convenience. They
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: tried to make it that he was coming back to
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: rob the store, but no, he came back just to
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: get her. They never got in the cash register. They
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: never took any money. They never took one thing out
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: of the store but her.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Has Mark Reby ever shown a shred of remorse for anything?
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: Not to me, he hasn't. To me, he's never shown.
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: He claims he feels bad about it, But you don't
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: see it in him.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: You don't really see him. You don't see the emotions.
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: You know, he'll say that, but there's no emotions there.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: You've been working on this serial killer for 25 years.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Are you any nearer to really understanding him than you
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: were at the start?
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: I don't... In one way, I don't want to understand him.
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: I don't want to be that.
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: No, I don't believe I ever will understand why... Somebody
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: wants to kill someone.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Special Agent Haley's position about this is that in the
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: eight cases that I went through in detail.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: You keep going with Special Agent Haley. I've done explained
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: to you.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: You mentioned him too, so... No. It's not just me
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: mentioning him.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: You keep bringing up Special Agent Haley.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: You keep talking about him as well. Here's what I
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: want to say to you. He believes in the eight cases.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't care what Dennis Haley believes. He doesn't believe it.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: He knows I didn't.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Do the eight cases. I understand your position. but you
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: keep mentioning him too. And I'm just saying, he believes
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: of the 13 confessions that you made, which would have
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: made you one of the worst serial killers in the
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: history of the United States of America, you were placing
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: yourself up with Ted Bundy and the others, right?
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: I didn't care where I was placing myself at that time.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: My main objective and main goal was my son.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: You see, Mark, I don't believe you. I don't believe you.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I think you are a serial killer.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: You're wrong.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I think you did kill these women.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: No, sir.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I think these families of these women, they need justice.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Captain, we're done.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Why can't you answer these questions?
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I answered your question.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Why are you running away? Why are you running away?
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I answered your question.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Why don't you sit here like a man and answer
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: these questions?
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: There was something about this to begin with.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Why don't you sit here like a man?
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: I'm not sitting here, nothing.
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  Speaker 1: I know I'm not a 110-pound woman that you can kill.
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  Speaker 3: Huh?
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  Speaker 1: You did kill them, didn't you? You killed them all.
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  Speaker 6: We may never know whether Mark Reby did kill the
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  Speaker 6: women Special Agent Haley and others suspect him of. For
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  Speaker 6: the victims' families, the not knowing is like an extra
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: dagger in their hearts. And in the end, their loved
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  Speaker 6: ones may have died for no other reason than simply
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: the thrill of the kill.
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  Speaker 1: The case is now closed.
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  Speaker 7: In court this morning, Mark Reby pleaded guilty to the
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: murder of Donna Callaghan.
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  Speaker 6: Donna Callaghan's daughter, Angie, regularly visits her mother. She was
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  Speaker 6: two at the time of the murder. She has no
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  Speaker 6: memories of her.
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  Speaker 1: Why me? Why my mother?
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  Speaker 3: Why that night? Why did it have to happen?
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  Speaker 9: What did my mother do so wrong to deserve something
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  Speaker 9: so cruel?
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  Speaker 13: They took everything from us. When we go to visit Donna,
• 43:45
  Speaker 13: we go to a grave site. They sit in prison.
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  Speaker 13: get letters, phone calls. They get visits if they be.
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  Speaker 1: Not us.
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  Speaker 6: Not us.
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  Speaker 13: We don't get phone calls. We don't get letters. We
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  Speaker 13: go to a grave site and talk to a headstone.
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  Speaker 12: That I wish she was here to see me grow
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  Speaker 12: as a person and
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  Speaker 3: To see things that I have accomplished.