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Getting on the Golden Path of "Dune": High n' Dry #73 · High n' Dry Podcast

• 0:15
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, I got that.
• 0:16
  Ryan Baron North: I got some notes.
• 0:18
  Ryan Baron North: I got some notes.
• 0:19
  Ryan Baron North: I'm I don't know.
• 0:23
  Ryan Baron North: This is gonna be interesting.
• 0:24
  Ryan Baron North: This is.
• 0:24
  Ryan Baron North: That was fucking weird.
• 0:26
  Ryan Baron North: So, hey, everybody, welcome to high and dry podcast, the only podcast you know that is still keeping alive the fandom of let's do critters, critters to, critters to.
• 0:40
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, we're still out there, we're still doing our thing, we're still pushing the merch.
• 0:45
  James Crosslin: You know, I haven't, I've never seen critters.
• 0:47
  James Crosslin: Would that be a good one for this podcast?
• 0:50
  Ryan Baron North: No, okay it was, it was bad.
• 0:57
  James Crosslin: No, we've had Rebel Moon on here before, so I think there's gonna be some Rebel Moon comparisons coming up.
• 1:06
  Ryan Baron North: I think so too, I feel.
• 1:07
  Ryan Baron North: I feel Glasgow is starting to get used to that.
• 1:10
  Ryan Baron North: So so, hey, everyone, welcome to the show.
• 1:16
  Ryan Baron North: As I was saying, I'm Ryan Baron North, with me, as always, james Crosslin.
• 1:20
  Ryan Baron North: James, what's going on?
• 1:22
  James Crosslin: Hey, things are going well.
• 1:24
  James Crosslin: It's beautiful out here in Southern California.
• 1:28
  James Crosslin: I I just made a giant pot of black beans, so everything's awesome.
• 1:34
  Ryan Baron North: Hell, yeah, hell yeah, and I'm coming at you from a hotel room in the tip of Texas, near Wichita.
• 1:42
  Ryan Baron North: Just the tip, just the tip.
• 1:45
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:50
  Ryan Baron North: Do you know why Oklahoma has that little slice of what looks like it should belong to Texas?
• 1:56
  James Crosslin: Because Texas didn't want it.
• 1:59
  Ryan Baron North: Because at the time the Congress determined that above that that line on the map, you can't own slaves, and Texas decided that they would rather give that chunk to Oklahoma than to not own slaves in that area.
• 2:16
  Ryan Baron North: They're principled.
• 2:19
  Ryan Baron North: That's the thing is.
• 2:21
  James Crosslin: We have to admire how principles Texas is when it comes to when it comes to cruelty.
• 2:31
  Ryan Baron North: They, they have it down to a science.
• 2:33
  Ryan Baron North: So, for those of you, this is your first episode.
• 2:36
  Ryan Baron North: This is how we do this.
• 2:37
  Ryan Baron North: We're going to be talking about some pop culture, some philosophy.
• 2:41
  Ryan Baron North: We're going to have a good time with it, and what makes it all the more fun is that we're going to be doing it drunk and high.
• 2:48
  Ryan Baron North: James, what are you smoking this week?
• 2:51
  James Crosslin: So this week I've got Kush Mount.
• 2:54
  James Crosslin: It's the return of Kush Mountain.
• 2:55
  James Crosslin: We're going back to the cliffs of Kush Mountain and I've also scooped some Keith in there.
• 3:02
  James Crosslin: Do you know about Keith?
• 3:02
  James Crosslin: I think that's a phrase.
• 3:04
  James Crosslin: Yeah, Keith is afraid is a word that's thrown around a lot when talking about weed and I don't feel like it's clearly communicated.
• 3:13
  James Crosslin: So when you grind some cannabis flower, there's like this dust on the surface and that dust contains these things called trichromes, which are what contain a bunch of the THC and a bunch of the terpenes, things that give the cannabis its flavor and stuff.
• 3:30
  James Crosslin: And when they dry out they're like kind of loose on the surface.
• 3:34
  James Crosslin: They can get rubbed off on things.
• 3:36
  James Crosslin: Or when you grind, they like get sifted through and a lot of grinders.
• 3:39
  James Crosslin: There's like a mesh screen that we're only a little bit, where only very tiny stuff can get through, and they got a collector at the bottom.
• 3:46
  James Crosslin: A lot of people don't use this stuff, but but it comes out the bottom and it's like super concentrated cannabis and it's like it's got all.
• 3:56
  James Crosslin: It's got so much THC and it's like this little fine powder and so I'm putting that power, my wife and I.
• 4:01
  James Crosslin: Before we knew the terminology, we called it fairy dust because it like it fucks your shit up.
• 4:08
  Ryan Baron North: And that's what I'm going to do today.
• 4:09
  Ryan Baron North: Lovely, so I'm going to be joining you with one of my particular fit, my personal favorites Brothers Bond Bourbon.
• 4:19
  Ryan Baron North: It's I love the flavor of it.
• 4:21
  Ryan Baron North: It's got a very you got a very caramel flavor.
• 4:26
  Ryan Baron North: There's a lot going on with this and it doesn't have it's smooth going down, so you really could just pop it down.
• 4:34
  Ryan Baron North: No problems, no questions.
• 4:35
  Ryan Baron North: I started drinking it a while back and I had some friends I was with time said they were, they were female friends and they said, oh my God, you're drinking Brothers Bond and I didn't know Bourbon was a big thing in those circles.
• 4:49
  Ryan Baron North: They explained to me that the dudes from the Vampire Diaries are the ones who make it.
• 4:56
  Ryan Baron North: We've had Brothers.
• 4:57
  James Crosslin: Bond on the show.
• 4:58
  James Crosslin: Before, go back and listen to our other episodes.
• 5:01
  James Crosslin: You'll find it.
• 5:02
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, and I'm well, I'm still coming back.
• 5:03
  Ryan Baron North: So, vampire Diary guys, I'm still appreciating your bourbon, so thank you for that.
• 5:09
  James Crosslin: So let's line them up this is in a barrel with a creature of the night for 100 years Nestled in the coffin of a vampire.
• 5:22
  Ryan Baron North: Here's our first one.
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  Ryan Baron North: This one goes to our movie of the week, dune 1984, specifically Cheers.
• 5:30
  James Crosslin: Cheers I.
• 5:34
  James Crosslin: I first see some comparisons I do too To the new, because it's it's hard to talk about the old one without without talking about the new one.
• 5:43
  James Crosslin: We've got an update, you know.
• 5:46
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, definitely without a doubt.
• 5:47
  Ryan Baron North: I have my Dune novel nearby as well.
• 5:51
  James Crosslin: Good, Good so we can just go.
• 5:54
  James Crosslin: I've got my, my, my copy that you gave me somewhere around here.
• 5:59
  Ryan Baron North: Every household needs one copy of Dune.
• 6:02
  Ryan Baron North: So the second one, this toast I'm actually this one's gonna go to returning visitors.
• 6:10
  Ryan Baron North: Apparently, these guys, like you know they like a little abuse Our folks over at Glasgow.
• 6:16
  Ryan Baron North: They decided to come back for round two after we, after we, trashed them on the show.
• 6:23
  Ryan Baron North: So I thank you guys for being good sports.
• 6:25
  Ryan Baron North: This one's to you Cheers.
• 6:27
  Ryan Baron North: It's easier the second time.
• 6:33
  Ryan Baron North: I kind of feel bad.
• 6:35
  Ryan Baron North: This is this beverage is meant to be sipped, not chugged down.
• 6:40
  Ryan Baron North: Well, listen to me.
• 6:43
  James Crosslin: Not, I think.
• 6:44
  James Crosslin: I think in in relation to our subject for today dude, you can't always choose your circumstances.
• 6:52
  James Crosslin: You gotta, you gotta work with what you got, make the most of what you got.
• 6:57
  Ryan Baron North: That's right.
• 6:58
  Ryan Baron North: Well then, let's line up this third one, and here's to making the most of what you have Cheers.
• 7:08
  James Crosslin: The sleeper has awakened oh man.
• 7:14
  Ryan Baron North: Oh, thank you, fan fire guys.
• 7:15
  Ryan Baron North: That that's hitting my empty stomach real good so this is the golden path.
• 7:22
  Ryan Baron North: All right, so I'm on the golden path.
• 7:26
  Ryan Baron North: This is how we're gonna do this the first part of the show.
• 7:30
  Ryan Baron North: We're gonna have our sober thoughts.
• 7:31
  Ryan Baron North: Second part of the show we're gonna have our elevated, heightened thoughts, once we've actually stepped on to the golden path, and finally we're gonna do a what if?
• 7:44
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, this is gonna happen real fast.
• 7:46
  Ryan Baron North: I'm gonna be riding this sandworm real quick.
• 7:48
  Ryan Baron North: So, and then round three.
• 7:52
  Ryan Baron North: We're gonna have a what if scenario we're gonna slam ourselves into doom, or we're gonna introduce bourbon to arachis.
• 8:00
  Ryan Baron North: We'll see how it goes.
• 8:01
  Ryan Baron North: So.
• 8:02
  Ryan Baron North: So, james, off the cuff.
• 8:06
  Ryan Baron North: Your, your sober thoughts.
• 8:08
  Ryan Baron North: We just watched that.
• 8:11
  James Crosslin: Yeah, it was a hard movie to watch.
• 8:14
  James Crosslin: It's just, it's David Lynch.
• 8:18
  James Crosslin: You'd expect some.
• 8:20
  James Crosslin: You know you expect something really engaging and fast.
• 8:23
  James Crosslin: You know he likes got the movement right Like a fight club or something You'd expect like that kind of of experience, but it's so slow.
• 8:35
  James Crosslin: It's so slow.
• 8:37
  James Crosslin: This is the first time I've seen the movie, by the way, okay, okay, what about you?
• 8:43
  Ryan Baron North: The it was.
• 8:43
  Ryan Baron North: So I will say this all right, lynch was definitely.
• 8:50
  Ryan Baron North: He was definitely a dune nerd.
• 8:53
  Ryan Baron North: You could definitely feel that he loved the material and he got a bunch of friends of his and actors that were coming up and who liked dune too and they're like, we have this weighty fucking tome that no one originally wanted to publish and I'm gonna take this and I am going to giz it out onto a camera.
• 9:25
  James Crosslin: You know, I think he got, I think he said I'm pretty sure I read this when I was like looking around for dune info is that he said that there was studio interference and he might have made a completely different movie if there wasn't so much studio interference.
• 9:41
  James Crosslin: And he ended up, he said after this, like he didn't let anyone touch his shit anymore.
• 9:47
  James Crosslin: He was like I demand full control and it's paid off for him.
• 9:53
  Ryan Baron North: Well, yeah, yeah, he became and it was just speaking of it paid off for them.
• 9:57
  Ryan Baron North: It was so weird looking at these like sets that you would see in 1960s Star Trek, crammed full of actors who were gonna become a big deal.
• 10:12
  James Crosslin: Yeah, the sets were very funny.
• 10:13
  James Crosslin: The costumes were very funny.
• 10:15
  James Crosslin: I loved the.
• 10:16
  James Crosslin: I loved the hazmat guys versus the gas station attendance.
• 10:22
  James Crosslin: Do you remember that fight?
• 10:23
  Ryan Baron North: Yes, yes, I do.
• 10:26
  James Crosslin: People with like nuclear safety gear versus guys in caps and belts.
• 10:33
  Ryan Baron North: And the wildest thing was, 90% of that movie was people entering a place.
• 10:42
  James Crosslin: Yeah.
• 10:48
  Ryan Baron North: Like they didn't realize that you can cut to the meat and potatoes of a scene.
• 10:53
  James Crosslin: We don't have to always know how they entered the room, but in the past that was a thing, though you had to show people entering, Like if you watch a movie from the past, that shit happens all the time.
• 11:10
  James Crosslin: It is so stupid and boring.
• 11:11
  James Crosslin: I don't know.
• 11:12
  James Crosslin: We're audiences at the time like where the fuck did that guy come from?
• 11:16
  Ryan Baron North: Well, it's like a WWE main event, you know, like every scene, every last scene.
• 11:24
  Ryan Baron North: And I loved when there were so many times when an extra or like a bit player like you could see that he was just trying to get himself on camera and he would go super extra with it, like the dudes with the Gatling guns, would move someone into the screen and they were just being so wild with it.
• 11:47
  Ryan Baron North: It was.
• 11:50
  James Crosslin: Brad Dorough did one of those where this was like Brad Dorough, up and coming.
• 11:54
  James Crosslin: He played pitter and when, when he like died after Lito, like blew the gas in his face, he like, he like his body went back, like I was like man.
• 12:06
  James Crosslin: He really overdid it and it was very funny.
• 12:09
  James Crosslin: But now, but now Brad Dorough, big actor, yeah.
• 12:13
  Ryan Baron North: Well, I'm glad you brought him up.
• 12:15
  Ryan Baron North: Well, he was snake tongue when he.
• 12:17
  Ryan Baron North: Worm tongue in order to rings.
• 12:20
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, yeah, well, basically the same character.
• 12:23
  Ryan Baron North: Well, I recall when you and I watched the new Dune with Shalamet yeah, we had a problem with how they portrayed Pite here, and because they?
• 12:39
  Ryan Baron North: Because he is a Mentat assassin you know, he is a wild mix of things in the universe and they just totally glossed over him.
• 12:48
  Ryan Baron North: And then we go back to this 1984 one, and I feel they did it then too.
• 12:55
  James Crosslin: You think so.
• 12:55
  James Crosslin: I think they gave him, I think they gave Piter a lot to do.
• 12:58
  James Crosslin: I think they, they actually, they actually let him go a little, hand it up a little.
• 13:05
  James Crosslin: They were chewing on the scenery, peter, piter and and Vladimir.
• 13:10
  James Crosslin: They were chewing on the fucking scenery, dude.
• 13:13
  James Crosslin: They were picking out of their teeth for days they.
• 13:18
  James Crosslin: I like this movie.
• 13:19
  James Crosslin: I thought it was good.
• 13:21
  Ryan Baron North: I know I'm going to agree with you on that the when the Baron and his little Mentat assassin were on screen, you know it was like no, it reminded me of it.
• 13:33
  Ryan Baron North: Reminded me and like this is going to be a.
• 13:35
  Ryan Baron North: You know you have to like pack a lunch for this, you know stretch, but it reminded me of Muppet Christmas Carol where?
• 13:43
  James Crosslin: No, no, I don't.
• 13:45
  Ryan Baron North: Fuck you Wickey List.
• 13:47
  Ryan Baron North: But then you got these two dudes who, like I'm going to play this thing, like I'm getting an Academy Award off of this, like this is my chance, and I felt that's what, what?
• 13:57
  Ryan Baron North: Piter and the Baron?
• 13:58
  Ryan Baron North: When they were on screen they're like let's give it everything.
• 14:01
  Ryan Baron North: We got.
• 14:02
  James Crosslin: They really did.
• 14:03
  James Crosslin: They gave it everything they got.
• 14:04
  James Crosslin: When, when, when the Baron was staring at sting just like like, yeah, he did such a good job, so I wanted to get that out of the way and say something good about this movie before you rip it apart.
• 14:23
  Ryan Baron North: Oh yeah, and so well, then I feel like okay, so I do have a thought, but I'm going to save that for when we're on the golden path Fully.
• 14:34
  Ryan Baron North: I will say one more time that, in the comparison between New Dune and 84, the Baron, while still very comical, especially when he's spinning through the air into the worms mouth yeah, was much more like holy shit.
• 14:55
  Ryan Baron North: This dude needs to go.
• 14:58
  James Crosslin: Yeah, yeah, he was like truly evil in this one.
• 15:01
  James Crosslin: Yeah, they really showed him being a weird goblin, yeah.
• 15:08
  Ryan Baron North: In New Dune, the only difference between Lado and the Baron was that the Baron was fat and ugly yeah, and between two authoritarians I was just supposed to hate fat and ugly.
• 15:21
  Ryan Baron North: In this, though, between all the authoritarians on the table, we have a fucked up guy who's got a go yeah, and they definitely accomplished that a little better, I feel.
• 15:35
  James Crosslin: Oh yeah, I mean they didn't have him raping enough young boys or eating people, like like Frank Herbert would have wanted.
• 15:44
  James Crosslin: You know, that's what he put in his book.
• 15:46
  James Crosslin: I wanted to see it on screen.
• 15:48
  James Crosslin: I'm just kidding.
• 15:50
  Ryan Baron North: Wait Well, and I'll be honest with you, I'm watching this movie from what?
• 15:55
  Ryan Baron North: 40 years ago almost exactly, and when he's going at that young sexy thing, I kind of like I was like kind of looking away like it was a hard scene to watch.
• 16:11
  James Crosslin: I wrote, I wrote down oh, where is it?
• 16:13
  James Crosslin: I said when, when they had, when they had him getting sexual gratification from spitting in, jet in a in a bound woman's face.
• 16:23
  James Crosslin: That was one of the tamest things that Frank Herbert wrote about women in his fucking dude series.
• 16:30
  James Crosslin: It's like, yeah, I'm glad, I'm glad they included some of it, but he but Frank Herbert went so much further.
• 16:38
  James Crosslin: He was real fucked up about his oh yeah about women in his books for sure.
• 16:43
  James Crosslin: Just scratching the surface of the of how much he hated and and wanted to fuck all the women.
• 16:51
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, you know, and he well.
• 16:54
  Ryan Baron North: With that being said, I feel like we're there.
• 16:57
  Ryan Baron North: We're touching on some pretty heavy shit.
• 16:59
  Ryan Baron North: Now I think we've arrived.
• 17:02
  James Crosslin: Oh yeah, we are on the golden.
• 17:04
  James Crosslin: The sleeper has awakened.
• 17:07
  Ryan Baron North: The sleeper has awakened.
• 17:09
  Ryan Baron North: It's time for our last go at this, so he is the quiz.
• 17:14
  James Crosslin: I had an act.
• 17:17
  Ryan Baron North: She was creepy.
• 17:19
  James Crosslin: She was.
• 17:20
  James Crosslin: She was really good too.
• 17:21
  James Crosslin: I thought I thought they shot Alia so well.
• 17:24
  Ryan Baron North: Well, here's to Alia.
• 17:25
  Ryan Baron North: You definitely stayed with us in that fever dream of a fucking movie.
• 17:32
  James Crosslin: Cheers.
• 17:32
  James Crosslin: Oh my God, all right, I love, I love the Reverend mother.
• 17:41
  James Crosslin: She's an abomination.
• 17:45
  Ryan Baron North: She got blasted back so much in that movie.
• 17:48
  Ryan Baron North: She was always getting blasted.
• 17:52
  James Crosslin: Reverend mother was a.
• 17:53
  James Crosslin: She really hammed it up, she hammed it.
• 17:56
  Ryan Baron North: Sometimes I liked it.
• 17:57
  James Crosslin: Sometimes I thought it was, I thought she was a flat yeah.
• 18:01
  James Crosslin: When she was on it.
• 18:03
  James Crosslin: She was on it.
• 18:04
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, for sure, for sure.
• 18:05
  Ryan Baron North: All right, so we're on the golden path and we took a little extra just for the trip.
• 18:09
  Ryan Baron North: Your enlightened thoughts, james.
• 18:12
  Ryan Baron North: What do you got?
• 18:14
  James Crosslin: So I think my enlightened thoughts, I think I think this concept hits better when you're inebriated.
• 18:23
  James Crosslin: So I want to talk a little bit about where this movie failed and I think the way it failed.
• 18:29
  James Crosslin: You know obviously the internal monologues, right.
• 18:32
  James Crosslin: There was so much inner voice shit and it was mostly exposition.
• 18:41
  James Crosslin: I wrote down here a few things that I found very funny about the internal monologues was.
• 18:47
  James Crosslin: One of them was Lato.
• 18:51
  James Crosslin: Where are you, jessica?
• 18:52
  James Crosslin: Just thinking.
• 18:53
  James Crosslin: Oh yeah, lato, where are you?
• 18:55
  James Crosslin: And it's like she could have just said that, or she could have just had pleading eyes, something like that.
• 19:02
  James Crosslin: Like it was so easy when, when Fade Sting was like I wish, I wish it was Paul on this table in his mind.
• 19:12
  James Crosslin: Yeah, instead of just saying a word, just saying it yeah.
• 19:16
  James Crosslin: Or like teasing, you know, taunting Lato or something, the inner monologue shit was wild.
• 19:24
  James Crosslin: Well, that was bad, oh good.
• 19:27
  Ryan Baron North: Well, on that point I will say that Dune 1984 brought us, you know, perhaps the most Zack, snyderian bit of fucking exposition I've ever seen.
• 19:40
  Ryan Baron North: Well, yeah, and then the beginning when Princess Erlan is explaining where the fuck we are right now, fades out and then fades back in to say, oh, I almost forgot.
• 19:58
  James Crosslin: I'm like what the fuck are you talking about?
• 20:02
  James Crosslin: You were talking to me.
• 20:05
  Ryan Baron North: You got the script.
• 20:06
  Ryan Baron North: How could?
• 20:07
  Ryan Baron North: You forget that was.
• 20:11
  Ryan Baron North: That was fucking mind boggling.
• 20:14
  Ryan Baron North: I had no problem with her face on the screen.
• 20:18
  Ryan Baron North: I will say that.
• 20:20
  James Crosslin: It was just that you learned right then that this was an off the cuff kind of like.
• 20:26
  James Crosslin: She didn't plan this at all.
• 20:28
  James Crosslin: She was like all right, we're starting a movie, let's do it.
• 20:32
  Ryan Baron North: I got some shit to say about Paul.
• 20:33
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, we're married, but here's the uncut shit.
• 20:38
  Ryan Baron North: Why?
• 20:41
  Ryan Baron North: Why would they know where in Herbert's book was there a fucking segment that said oh, I almost forgot to tell you about this shit, but, dude, you're the one doing the drafts, man, you're the one who's editing.
• 20:59
  Ryan Baron North: You could just not forget anymore.
• 21:03
  James Crosslin: Yeah, it's really like.
• 21:04
  James Crosslin: It kind of like sums up this movie, as a lot of things were in afterthought.
• 21:11
  Ryan Baron North: You didn't have to do this, oh yeah.
• 21:14
  James Crosslin: But it was absolutely wild, I have to assume, or I have to assume the inner monologue was also like could have also been producer notes, I don't know, it's so hard to tell.
• 21:26
  Ryan Baron North: Oh, he's just been fucking bullshit to save his face.
• 21:30
  James Crosslin: Well, I, I, I'm not going to go back and read fucking Dune right now, like that's.
• 21:34
  James Crosslin: It was too much on my plate to like watch this movie, then go back and read it.
• 21:38
  Ryan Baron North: Oh, yeah, but.
• 21:39
  James Crosslin: I assume that a lot.
• 21:40
  James Crosslin: There is a lot of inner monologue stuff in the book.
• 21:43
  Ryan Baron North: There is, there is.
• 21:44
  Ryan Baron North: I did do, I did flip through.
• 21:47
  James Crosslin: And that's the thing.
• 21:48
  James Crosslin: So here's the core of what I was getting at is that the way we consume media for books and movies is inherently different.
• 21:59
  James Crosslin: Like it's you can he was.
• 22:01
  James Crosslin: He was trying to like straight adapt a book into a movie, but the problem is like this movie is accessible in the way like a dictionary is accessible.
• 22:13
  Ryan Baron North: It's like, yeah, you can Is there.
• 22:16
  James Crosslin: It is there and you can open to like any word, but there's a reason people don't fucking read it in order and when you do, it's a nightmare.
• 22:25
  James Crosslin: And Frank Herbert's book was kind of like that.
• 22:28
  James Crosslin: And the thing about a book is that you can stop after a paragraph and kind of take a break and think about it like, oh, you know the space guild, they, they take spice to help them predict the future.
• 22:44
  James Crosslin: That's what keeps intergalactic travel going.
• 22:48
  James Crosslin: What does that mean for the greater universe?
• 22:51
  James Crosslin: What is it like to be?
• 22:52
  James Crosslin: You know, a person on a planet and essentially your ties to the universe are controlled by the spacing guild.
• 22:58
  James Crosslin: You know, what does it mean to, to to be able to predict?
• 23:02
  James Crosslin: You know whether there's obstacles in the path, like houses.
• 23:05
  James Crosslin: It's precognition.
• 23:07
  James Crosslin: What's this life in society like you know you?
• 23:10
  James Crosslin: have time to ruminate on those things when you're reading.
• 23:12
  James Crosslin: But in this fucking movie, like things move so so fast, they like tell you a bunch of information.
• 23:21
  James Crosslin: It's like, OK, here's some more information.
• 23:22
  James Crosslin: Ok, someone else's engine.
• 23:24
  James Crosslin: But you don't read a book like a movie.
• 23:27
  James Crosslin: You're not on a set set pace like that and I think that's the core of the problem.
• 23:34
  James Crosslin: When we talk about like bad movies and lazy movies and these kinds of adaptations, is it's a movie is a different medium.
• 23:41
  James Crosslin: We are adaptation has to be different.
• 23:44
  James Crosslin: Yes, yes.
• 23:47
  Ryan Baron North: And I so to your point.
• 23:48
  Ryan Baron North: I think that it was the most clear that this has just become nonsense in the final battles, where shit was just happening and too much shit is happening, where you're just like, yeah, it's working because it's supposed to, I guess yeah, and then then Sting, got stung and that was the end of it.
• 24:12
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, and then it rained.
• 24:16
  James Crosslin: And he is the quits I had an eye.
• 24:22
  Ryan Baron North: Hey, that girl was giving in her all, but then she's 50 now.
• 24:28
  Ryan Baron North: But the other thing I would say is that I feel that New Dune over corrected, so where?
• 24:40
  James Crosslin: you almost get no information.
• 24:42
  James Crosslin: It's just like shots of scenery.
• 24:46
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, it's just like I'm just supposed to be invested because Aquaman's kicking some ass and I, you know I unpopular opinion, but Charlemagne, or whatever the fuck his name is, it is a huge turn off for me.
• 25:01
  Ryan Baron North: I ain't gonna lie so, but so was 1984, paul.
• 25:07
  James Crosslin: I think so here's the thing.
• 25:09
  James Crosslin: Here's the thing.
• 25:10
  James Crosslin: Paul's a fucking loser, like the later.
• 25:13
  James Crosslin: The later books essentially show that.
• 25:17
  Ryan Baron North: And that's what I was trying to say get into eventually there.
• 25:19
  Ryan Baron North: Was that what comes at the end.
• 25:22
  Ryan Baron North: So the director of the new Dune has already stated that he's looking at a trilogy and potentially a TV series.
• 25:33
  James Crosslin: Yes, the barbelification of everything.
• 25:36
  Ryan Baron North: Yes, and when the reason Herbert went on record saying that, hey, you're not supposed to be rooting for any of these fucking people, because when you start rooting for these fucking people, you wind up with an immortal fat bastard who controls the way you think, feel and live.
• 25:56
  James Crosslin: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:57
  James Crosslin: Sometimes you get a leader like Paul who will do okay to like pursue some of your needs and then fuck off, yeah.
• 26:10
  Ryan Baron North: He's all up his own ass and that and like he was trying to say that, hey, you are attracted to Lado and Paul because of a relative charisma and a general perception versus a pedophilia piece of shit.
• 26:31
  Ryan Baron North: But all that ever comes of it is a worm that controls your life for the next 3000 years.
• 26:40
  James Crosslin: Yeah, yeah, it was very.
• 26:42
  James Crosslin: It was very much like fanaticism is bad.
• 26:45
  James Crosslin: Leaders are not great.
• 26:49
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, and in a trilogy, in the new one especially, where we're just hopping and skipping over every little bit of information, that's definitely going to be lost.
• 27:02
  Ryan Baron North: And I feel the only reason Dune has any place jumping its story into modern society is to warn us against authoritarianism.
• 27:14
  Ryan Baron North: And we're not doing that.
• 27:16
  Ryan Baron North: If we're, you know, just aquamanning the fuck out of it.
• 27:21
  James Crosslin: Yeah, it was a little too much visual so so yeah, I think these are two opposite sides of the filmmaking spectrum.
• 27:28
  James Crosslin: I think that the new Dune could have done with more exposition given to us.
• 27:36
  James Crosslin: It doesn't have to be people talking directly to our face, you know it could be.
• 27:40
  James Crosslin: They did a few things in the new Dune that I liked, where like displays came up and kind of you learned things from displays.
• 27:48
  James Crosslin: You learned things like like their technology right, some kind of screen or something you learned something from that or they had like.
• 27:56
  James Crosslin: But it could have been more.
• 27:58
  James Crosslin: There were very few in the new Dune.
• 28:01
  Ryan Baron North: Yes, yeah, well, I mean, there wasn't even have his instrument.
• 28:06
  James Crosslin: You know I gurney didn't have, in the new one, a 15 pound pug tucked into his jacket as he ran into battle, which I thought was very funny.
• 28:15
  James Crosslin: Patrick Stewart with a dog and a gun running out to face the shot of car.
• 28:26
  Ryan Baron North: Easily the best part of original Dune was when they made Stewart the long haired bald guy.
• 28:34
  James Crosslin: It was so funny when he showed up with the long hair, like, were you so surprised at that first scene where they meet again, he looks like an offensive.
• 28:44
  James Crosslin: It's like an offensive mullion raider haircut.
• 28:48
  Ryan Baron North: Like I don't know what they were thinking he looks insane.
• 28:51
  Ryan Baron North: He looks absolutely insane.
• 28:54
  Ryan Baron North: Patrick Stewart man.
• 28:57
  James Crosslin: Jesus, just shave it.
• 28:59
  James Crosslin: You gotta have a knife, you gotta be able to just be able to cut it.
• 29:03
  James Crosslin: They have future knives.
• 29:05
  Ryan Baron North: They have future knives and he decided, no, no, I am going to let this shit out.
• 29:15
  James Crosslin: And you know it's great in the desert.
• 29:17
  James Crosslin: A bunch of hair on your neck, best feeling when it's hot out.
• 29:24
  Ryan Baron North: Oh yeah, and he's just sweating the fuck out of it.
• 29:26
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, no, yeah.
• 29:27
  Ryan Baron North: That was also not the weirdest choice by by old dude, but definitely up there.
• 29:35
  James Crosslin: Definitely they didn't show the.
• 29:36
  James Crosslin: They didn't show the pug again.
• 29:38
  James Crosslin: I'm assuming the pug died.
• 29:41
  Ryan Baron North: My assumption and then the director is just like we have too much extra in this.
• 29:46
  Ryan Baron North: I cannot have you morning the pug to Patrick Stewart.
• 29:54
  James Crosslin: Patrick Stewart wasn't grooming because the dog died, and that's how.
• 29:58
  James Crosslin: That's why his hair was all through.
• 30:00
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, he had no hope anymore.
• 30:02
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, there it is.
• 30:04
  Ryan Baron North: There you have it, and I think then it's time to move into the third portion of this.
• 30:08
  Ryan Baron North: It's time to get into our what ifs, so welcome to the what ifs everybody.
• 30:13
  Ryan Baron North: It's time.
• 30:14
  Ryan Baron North: Welcome to the what ifs everybody.
• 30:16
  Ryan Baron North: So in this portion of it, we're gonna we're gonna insert some shit into Dune.
• 30:20
  Ryan Baron North: We're going to either insert our particular drug of choice into Dune or we're going to insert ourselves and we're going to see what happens.
• 30:30
  Ryan Baron North: So, james, what happens in a Dune world where James is there too?
• 30:40
  James Crosslin: Man.
• 30:40
  James Crosslin: So one part that I absolutely loved from this version of Dune was the scene where they get on the worm, right when Paul and Stilgar get on the worm.
• 30:56
  Ryan Baron North: And they're back to fuck.
• 30:58
  James Crosslin: The triumphant like guitar.
• 31:00
  James Crosslin: It was like a traffic guitar.
• 31:01
  Ryan Baron North: We're rocking out.
• 31:04
  James Crosslin: And he had the reins and he was like looking back and Stilgar like this is fucking rad, and Stilgar's like yeah, this is rad, and I would.
• 31:13
  James Crosslin: I would.
• 31:13
  James Crosslin: What I would do is try to capture that moment and try to apply it to every other situation and really I think that could have saved this movie.
• 31:24
  James Crosslin: They didn't.
• 31:24
  James Crosslin: There was no inner monologue.
• 31:26
  James Crosslin: It was like music and it was sight and it was like expressions and I was like I thought it was great.
• 31:34
  James Crosslin: I thought it was great.
• 31:36
  James Crosslin: I want more of it.
• 31:38
  James Crosslin: I would have done that in every situation.
• 31:39
  James Crosslin: When Paul like when Paul catches the hunter seeker and he crushes it like the guitar, like goes to crushes and he gives them like a knowing look like it's fucking rad.
• 31:51
  James Crosslin: Right, it was rad as shit.
• 31:54
  James Crosslin: Well, yeah, what she did was rad.
• 31:59
  Ryan Baron North: That was.
• 31:59
  Ryan Baron North: Oh, I'm glad you brought that particular scene up, because I had, right before we got on air here, I put it back on and I was just sort of flipping through it and I didn't wind up stopping at that.
• 32:14
  Ryan Baron North: That fucking scene it was so, it was so wild, oh my God.
• 32:21
  Ryan Baron North: It was this random moment in the movie where they're like, hey, it's still the 80s, all right, let's fucking do this.
• 32:31
  Ryan Baron North: We're on a.
• 32:32
  Ryan Baron North: We're on a fucking worm.
• 32:33
  Ryan Baron North: The wind is in my hair.
• 32:36
  Ryan Baron North: There is definitely some homosexual undertones coursing through this, and I'm just ready to.
• 32:45
  James Crosslin: It's bro love man.
• 32:47
  Ryan Baron North: Ready to let it rip.
• 32:48
  Ryan Baron North: I mean, we're talking about that period in time when music videos was just the dudes banging it out long hair in a factory, and now we're on top of a worm.
• 33:00
  Ryan Baron North: That was like holy shit, I forgot this was in the 80s and not.
• 33:07
  Ryan Baron North: Oh, that was crazy.
• 33:09
  Ryan Baron North: So I guess with me I would definitely insert myself into Paul's role, but I'd bring along Meatloaf just to he's fucking rocking out on the guitar back there and he gives me the thumbs up whenever I'm doing something really cool.
• 33:30
  Ryan Baron North: But then for me, as Paul, though I so, just in the terms of the 1984 film, inserting myself into that film with Chani, there was no.
• 33:48
  Ryan Baron North: They spent the whole fucking movie on exposition but they never showed me or even told me why he was into her.
• 34:00
  James Crosslin: That would be If you dreamed about a pretty woman and then you met her in real life.
• 34:07
  James Crosslin: You'd be like what the fuck?
• 34:09
  James Crosslin: I'm really into you.
• 34:14
  Ryan Baron North: Honestly, I would be all over the princess and I would just fucking dive head first into imperialism and just see where this takes me and I'd look over my shoulder to make sure that Meatloaf was still fucking rocking out and I'd be like yo.
• 34:37
  Ryan Baron North: She is definitely a gorgeous woman and she explains a lot.
• 34:41
  Ryan Baron North: She lets me know where I'm at and even when she forgets where she's at, she comes back and reminds me.
• 34:47
  Ryan Baron North: And so, yeah, I'd be Paul, but I'd be more all over Princess Earl for sure.
• 34:56
  James Crosslin: Well, Paul gets to be Spoilers for Dune Messiah.
• 35:01
  James Crosslin: He does end up married to her.
• 35:04
  Ryan Baron North: So I mean and she gets really mad that he refuses to lie with her, no, he refuses to impregnate her.
• 35:14
  Ryan Baron North: Yes, yes.
• 35:17
  James Crosslin: I think he can control whether he impregnates a woman, because that's a benny, jesuit.
• 35:22
  James Crosslin: Power is controlling whether you get pregnant or not.
• 35:25
  James Crosslin: I think that he has that control over himself.
• 35:29
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah.
• 35:29
  Ryan Baron North: So for those of you who are getting all on to Timothy Charlemagne, remember that he is definitely manipulating both of these women as hard as he's manipulating the local economy.
• 35:41
  James Crosslin: Because you can see the past and the future, and then this is a power dynamic, injustice what's happening.
• 35:50
  James Crosslin: Paul needs to be alone, totally.
• 35:53
  James Crosslin: He's the most powerful being in the universe.
• 35:55
  James Crosslin: There's no way he can have a relationship with a person that doesn't have a severe power of balance.
• 36:02
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, but he still tries, he still tries he is selfish.
• 36:07
  James Crosslin: Paul is a selfish person.
• 36:09
  Ryan Baron North: And that is what Herbert was trying to say.
• 36:12
  Ryan Baron North: Was that, hey, you were rooting for this guy the whole fucking time.
• 36:17
  Ryan Baron North: And look at him now, with all this power, he's married to the emperor's daughter, he's still with the woman he loves, he's having his way with both of them in these situations, because he can, and he is the one who rules you.
• 36:35
  Ryan Baron North: And that has just been completely lost on any attempt to bring these books into film.
• 36:45
  Ryan Baron North: Was that?
• 36:47
  Ryan Baron North: Hey, paul ain't great.
• 36:50
  James Crosslin: Yeah, this guy's actions have effects on real people and it's not just the story of a great man.
• 36:58
  James Crosslin: I think it's a problem with our culture.
• 37:00
  James Crosslin: Really, is this myth of the great man and how their choices are really the only way great things happen?
• 37:10
  James Crosslin: And it's like fuck.
• 37:11
  James Crosslin: That's kind of like what we're dealing with.
• 37:13
  James Crosslin: Of course, people are going to misinterpret it.
• 37:16
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, no, it's especially sad because, if you like, taking all the Lovecraftian character flaws out of her.
• 37:30
  Ryan Baron North: He was literally just trying to warn you about politics.
• 37:38
  Ryan Baron North: Politics.
• 37:38
  Ryan Baron North: He was trying to warn you and then every time we try and adapt it, we completely ignore the moral grayness between these authoritarians.
• 37:49
  Ryan Baron North: And if you go further and you read spoiler alerts, everybody.
• 37:55
  Ryan Baron North: Paul's son becomes a giant dictator worm and there's an entire book about a clone of Duncan and his sex slave teaming up to kill him.
• 38:14
  James Crosslin: I wonder if Jason Momoa is going to come back for that one yeah, he's got to or they're going to have to like AI create them.
• 38:22
  Ryan Baron North: They got to do something, because also in that book there is a scene where so just for the sake of bringing you guys into this where Jason Momoa Duncan, idaho, is climbing a ridge so hard.
• 38:39
  Ryan Baron North: He is climbing a ridge so fucking hard that a woman, a warrior woman who has been brought up with women, who has done nothing but train with women and protect slug Nazi, who secretly wants people to realize that he's the bad guy she sees him climbing this ridge so fucking hard that she comes.
• 39:09
  James Crosslin: It's wild.
• 39:10
  James Crosslin: Frank Herbert like really wrote some crazy shit.
• 39:13
  James Crosslin: Like I said, spitting a spitting spitting on a bound woman's face for sexual pleasure is very tame for Frank Herbert.
• 39:23
  Ryan Baron North: Very tame, very fucking tame.
• 39:25
  Ryan Baron North: It's.
• 39:26
  Ryan Baron North: It's holy shit, it's insane.
• 39:29
  Ryan Baron North: It's insane.
• 39:30
  Ryan Baron North: But movie adaptations they don't know whether to cover some random woman who's only been with women coming to Jason Momoa or to make you see that Timothy Charlemagne is a bad guy too.
• 39:46
  Ryan Baron North: He just doesn't fuck boys Right.
• 39:50
  James Crosslin: And you know he's not.
• 39:52
  James Crosslin: He's going to send a bunch of people of a different ethnicity against his enemy to die.
• 39:59
  James Crosslin: He's doing his a wild concept.
• 40:01
  James Crosslin: He's going to create a cult for these, for these native peoples, and send them against his enemies.
• 40:11
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, yeah, that's.
• 40:12
  James Crosslin: Hooray Paul.
• 40:15
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, go Paul.
• 40:16
  Ryan Baron North: He literally creates a cult and watches them die, and the whole time his visions are just fucking sucking his own dick.
• 40:27
  James Crosslin: It's amazing that all these visions work out in your favor, Paul.
• 40:31
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah, that's pretty crazy, ain't it?
• 40:33
  Ryan Baron North: So then, just to bring it back to the final what-if here, delving into that portion of it, I would say you bring me into it.
• 40:43
  Ryan Baron North: Jokes aside, I'm just gonna kill Paul, I'm gonna wait for him to kill Sting and then I'm gonna just murder the room.
• 40:57
  Ryan Baron North: This room here at the end of Dune 1 needs to fucking die.
• 41:02
  Ryan Baron North: The emperors gotta go, sting's gotta go, paul's gotta go, jessica's gotta go, they all gotta go.
• 41:11
  Ryan Baron North: And yeah, that's my what-if.
• 41:17
  Ryan Baron North: Right there, you got a final what-if, chint.
• 41:22
  James Crosslin: I would have just rode into the sunset with Stilgar.
• 41:25
  James Crosslin: That's how it would have ended, is Stilgar and I just would have gone off together and lived on the top of a worm?
• 41:35
  James Crosslin: A beautiful life on this, on Shia Luz back.
• 41:41
  Ryan Baron North: With those intents.
• 41:42
  Ryan Baron North: Just you looking over your shoulder back at him and he's just so fucking proud of you.
• 41:48
  James Crosslin: We would get baby-burdened spice directly from Shia Luz's mouth every day.
• 41:57
  Ryan Baron North: Oh my god so I'm bathing in the blood of the Imperium and I'm just looking out at the desert going, you know he's living his best life.
• 42:07
  Ryan Baron North: I can't help but be happy for him.
• 42:13
  James Crosslin: Quiet, quiet, desert life.
• 42:16
  Ryan Baron North: Me and Stilgar.
• 42:21
  James Crosslin: All right, so final notes that I didn't get around to that.
• 42:23
  James Crosslin: I wrote down the way UA says the tooth, the tooth, the tooth.
• 42:34
  James Crosslin: Very funny fucking.
• 42:38
  James Crosslin: It had me cracking up Hilarious.
• 42:41
  James Crosslin: Let me see.
• 42:44
  Ryan Baron North: Like if this was done by Monty Python or, you know, Mel Brooks nail on a fucking kill there.
• 42:54
  James Crosslin: The tooth.
• 42:55
  James Crosslin: Also, I wrote down sweet cubes.
• 43:00
  James Crosslin: That was the only just sweet cubes.
• 43:05
  James Crosslin: I think it was about their shield generators, sweet cubes.
• 43:10
  James Crosslin: And then I said I wrote somewhere else sweet dive roll.
• 43:16
  James Crosslin: I did not write what it was referencing, I just wrote sweet dive roll.
• 43:21
  James Crosslin: I assume it was like the Hunter Seeker or something.
• 43:25
  Ryan Baron North: So sweet cubes would have been the best thing Paul could have said during that guitar scene.
• 43:31
  Ryan Baron North: Oh shit.
• 43:39
  James Crosslin: Oh man, I also wrote.
• 43:41
  James Crosslin: I'm grateful that when the shelf of weirding modules is destroyed, we didn't have to watch them blow up one by one, because if you watch some of these older movies like, they'll literally do like.
• 43:51
  James Crosslin: I watched the original Italian job recently because it's like oh, it's a classic, whatever it's got, it's got Michael Cain, you know it's a classic.
• 44:02
  James Crosslin: I had to watch them do like they broke windows.
• 44:06
  James Crosslin: I had to watch them break like 15 windows.
• 44:10
  James Crosslin: It's individually without it's like it's like I get it, I fucking get it.
• 44:15
  James Crosslin: Maybe.
• 44:16
  James Crosslin: Maybe at the time they were like look how great our production is, look how many windows we can break.
• 44:21
  James Crosslin: It's so action-y.
• 44:22
  James Crosslin: But I like watch them break like 15 windows in a row.
• 44:24
  James Crosslin: It was so boring.
• 44:25
  Ryan Baron North: And bringing it back around to Michael Cain and Muppet Grasmus Carroll.
• 44:28
  Ryan Baron North: It was not Michael Cain's fault.
• 44:33
  James Crosslin: But I do want to say that that was a little bit of directorial competence.
• 44:37
  James Crosslin: I think that when we watch our next one that I'm trying to get you to watch I don't know if you did already Total recall is coming up next.
• 44:45
  James Crosslin: Yeah, they, they do this explosion thing.
• 44:48
  James Crosslin: Watch out for it.
• 44:49
  James Crosslin: They do like a thing where you watch several explosions, but it's a it's, it's right in the midway point where it's not like okay, this is a fast movie, action movie, and not that it's like wow, they really don't understand that you don't show an explosion.
• 45:02
  James Crosslin: It's like that perfect area where it's satire.
• 45:05
  Ryan Baron North: And I love it.
• 45:05
  Ryan Baron North: I'm excited to watch it.
• 45:07
  Ryan Baron North: It's on HBO Max right.
• 45:09
  Ryan Baron North: Yes, I think so you did that, then I'm good to go, or pair them out.
• 45:13
  Ryan Baron North: I'll yank that out, or I probably won't, but we're 45 and 50 seconds in, so well, there you have it, folks.
• 45:22
  Ryan Baron North: Thank you so much for tuning in.
• 45:23
  Ryan Baron North: We've been talking Dune here.
• 45:25
  Ryan Baron North: Remember to always, you know, check the message of the author before you insert the movie into yourself.
• 45:34
  Ryan Baron North: Paul is a bad guy.
• 45:35
  James Crosslin: He is.
• 45:35
  James Crosslin: And but do remember, fear is the mind killer.
• 45:41
  Ryan Baron North: Yes, yeah, and if you take anything away from this, please remember, the fear is the mind killer.
• 45:45
  Ryan Baron North: Next week we're going to be hitting a total recall.
• 45:49
  Ryan Baron North: That's the original, with short to nager, not the really sexy one with Kate Beckinsale and Jessica B.
• 45:56
  James Crosslin: You forgot someone I don't know.
• 46:02
  Ryan Baron North: Matthew Perry was in that one, I think I don't remember yeah.
• 46:07
  James Crosslin: It didn't have.
• 46:07
  James Crosslin: It didn't have very, very sexy women in it and it really distracted from, like the comedy.
• 46:14
  Ryan Baron North: Oh, my God.
• 46:15
  James Crosslin: It was supposed to be campy and they made it wait.
• 46:17
  James Crosslin: Holy shit.
• 46:19
  Ryan Baron North: It was so fucking sexy when, when Kate Beckinsale slides across that table and attacks him with her vagina, I was like I'd be a dead man.
• 46:28
  Ryan Baron North: That's like that's the end for me.
• 46:31
  Ryan Baron North: I'd be like, kate, whatever life you wanted me to live, I'm in, I'm fucking in.
• 46:36
  Ryan Baron North: Yeah.
• 46:37
  Ryan Baron North: So, anyway, end of the episode.
• 46:39
  Ryan Baron North: There you go.
• 46:39
  Ryan Baron North: There you have it, folks.
• 46:40
  Ryan Baron North: Thank you so much for listening.
• 46:41
  Ryan Baron North: Next week, total recall, if you're seeing us on YouTube.
• 46:44
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• 46:45
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• 46:47
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• 46:49
  Ryan Baron North: You know how it goes.
• 46:50
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• 46:55
  Ryan Baron North: So yeah, Bye.
• 46:57
  James Crosslin: Happy Mooddeep to you.
• 46:57
  James Crosslin: Happy Mooddeep to you as well.
• 46:58
  James Crosslin: Happy Mooddeep to you as well.
• 46:59
  James Crosslin: Happy Mooddeep to you as well.
• 47:01
  Ryan Baron North: Happy Mooddeep to you as well.
• 47:01
  Ryan Baron North: Happy Mooddeep to you as well.
• 47:03
  Ryan Baron North: Happy Mooddeep to you as well.
• 47:04
  Ryan Baron North: And I will say Jessica in the new one was better than Jessica in the old one.
• 47:08
  Ryan Baron North: Last thought there, it is Okay, all right.