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8-year old girl snatched by perv on neighborhood stroll with mom in broad daylight...the latest · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. She has blue eyes, very
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Speaker 1: distinct blue eyes. We want to make sure that everybody
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Speaker 1: is clear on that. Also, she does have that teel
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Speaker 1: shirt on with the words Centennial across it, and she
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Speaker 1: is wearing some periwinkles sea foam green leggings. You guys
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Speaker 1: can catch up on more details from the previous broadcast
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Speaker 1: that we had earlier. What I do want to update
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Speaker 1: you guys with is that we have called in additional resources. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: the Fort Forth Police Department takes this very seriously. We
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Speaker 1: have our entire Major Case Unit out here. We have
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Speaker 1: called in all of our MPOs to make the location
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Speaker 1: and assist. We have additional SRT, which is our Special
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Speaker 1: Response Team checking different areas and strategic areas and Fort Worthforce.
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Speaker 1: We also have our entire scram team behind these lights. Also,
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Speaker 1: we have Homeland Security that has just gotten here. And
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Speaker 1: I've also seen a few Department of Public Safety, which
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Speaker 1: is our DPS Highway Patrol. They're listen to us as well.
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you everybody's concerned about this little girl, a
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Speaker 1: little Texas girl just eight years old, as cute as
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Speaker 1: a button, walking along the street with her mother in
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Speaker 1: an upscale neighborhood. When suddenly a guy pulls up in
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Speaker 1: a vehicle grabs the girl in broad daylight. The mother
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Speaker 1: jumps in the car to try to fight the little
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Speaker 1: girl out of the car, and the guy pushes mommy
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Speaker 1: out of the car and scratches off. I mean, see, Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime stories. Thank you for being with us,
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Speaker 1: striking fear in every mother's heart. I'm telling you, how
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Speaker 1: many times do I say, who wants to go? And walk?
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Speaker 1: The dog? Just looks at me. The only person wants
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Speaker 1: to go. It's Lucy, my eleven year old little girl.
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Speaker 1: And she is very, very small for her aid. She
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Speaker 1: was born at just two pounds and she's barely cracking
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Speaker 1: seventy pounds now at eleven years old. And off we go,
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Speaker 1: and we're gone for an hour. This guy pulls up
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Speaker 1: to them in broad daylight. And I can say it's
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Speaker 1: an upscale neighborhood because I've seen the video of the neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: Those are some nice houses on a tree lined street.
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Speaker 1: Everybody's yard looks like it's not a yard beautiful. My
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Speaker 1: point is, you know what, Let me just go right
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Speaker 1: now to John Cardillo from the NYPD, John why I
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Speaker 1: keep saying it's an upscale neighborhood is because you don't
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Speaker 1: have a lot of crime there. It's not like somebody's
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Speaker 1: out selling dope on the corner. John. Let me tell
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Speaker 1: you a little story I'm embarrassed about. When I was
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Speaker 1: an arrayment calendar and I opened the file and I
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Speaker 1: looked at the cop and I said, get out of
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Speaker 1: my sight. You make me sick. I said it under
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Speaker 1: my breath because I thought the cop was lying. The
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Speaker 1: police report said the cop was undercover. He was walking.
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Speaker 1: He pulled up in this neighborhood and a guy on
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Speaker 1: the corner held up a small glassing bag of crack.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, you expect me to believe that a doper
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Speaker 1: is going to hold up a glassing bag of crack
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Speaker 1: and the bag is only, like, you know, an inch
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Speaker 1: all the way small, And he went yes. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that, And I kicked him out of
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Speaker 1: the courtroom and went to the next case. Well, that
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Speaker 1: very same week, I went out investigating a murder, pulled
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Speaker 1: into the same neighborhood and on the corner a guy
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Speaker 1: stood up. He was sitting there like on a coat
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Speaker 1: crater or something, and held up a glassing bag at me.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't believe this. Well, I tried to
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Speaker 1: find the cop and apologize. What I'm saying is nobody's
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Speaker 1: selling dope on the corner. There's not a history in
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Speaker 1: this neighborhood of crime, break in, shootings, nothing. Do you
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Speaker 1: hear what I'm saying? John? Oh, Look, Nancy, I absolutely
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Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. But it happens everywhere. I'll give
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Speaker 1: you a personal anecdote. I live in an area of
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Speaker 1: South Florida, a very nice area, and five blocks right there,
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Speaker 1: South Florida, Yep, murder capital. Sorry, I don't care what
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Speaker 1: you say about your nice neighbors, but every time I
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Speaker 1: hear about South Florida, it's about a doper a shoot out. Well,
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Speaker 1: change my mind. I'm not gonna change it because I
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Speaker 1: think you're onto something. So I live right off the
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Speaker 1: Intracoastal Waterway, four or five blocks from my house. There
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Speaker 1: are mansions on the intracoastal houses that are fifteen twenty
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Speaker 1: million dollars. I've driven the children as close as I
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Speaker 1: could get to that area, but they wouldn't let us in. Okay, Well,
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Speaker 1: two weeks ago, two weeks ago, blocks from my house
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Speaker 1: toward these fifteen to twenty million dollar houses. Two armed
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Speaker 1: robberies at gunpoint. Two guys in a black Honda Cord
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Speaker 1: driving around the neighborhood, watching people pulling to their driveways
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Speaker 1: in these upscale houses, calling them over like they're asking
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Speaker 1: for directions, pointing guns in their faces and robbing them
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Speaker 1: or carjacking them. It happens everywhere. You know what, I
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Speaker 1: think you're right now. I don't know about any twenty
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Speaker 1: million dollar houses with yachts parked in the back street.
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Speaker 1: You know, the dirt road I grew up with. We
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Speaker 1: never didn't even know how to spell yacht. Ellen Colora
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Speaker 1: joining me right now. Krack investigative reporter with Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com, where you can find this in all other
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Speaker 1: breaking crime and justice news. Ellen, let's start at the beginning,
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Speaker 1: before John Cardillo tells me anymore about his twenty million
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Speaker 1: dollar house neighborhood. Hey wait, one thing, I grew up
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Speaker 1: in an apartment in Queen's. They're they're not my house.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure you did. Okay, go ahead, Ak.
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Speaker 1: It's early Sunday evening, like you said, Nancy, it's broad
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Speaker 1: daylight sailing Tobacca is out taking a walk in a
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Speaker 1: nice neighborhood tree Line Street with her mother, Rachel Sweet
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Speaker 1: and the suspect comes up in the car, reaches and
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Speaker 1: grabs the little girl. The mother dives to try and
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Speaker 1: fight the attacker off. She grabs onto a piece of jewelry,
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Speaker 1: but he pushes her out of the car and speeds away. Okay, wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait right there. Okay, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to this. You are hearing the mom just like Ellen
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Speaker 1: Colorna is telling us. You're hearing the mom screaming help me,
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Speaker 1: help me please, And it's just like Ellen Colorna is
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Speaker 1: telling us Ellen. The guy pulls up and there's a
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Speaker 1: video of it, and the video came from where ek
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Speaker 1: a neighbor had a ring surveillance doorbell video that caught
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Speaker 1: the suspects car as it was peeling off and you
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Speaker 1: see the mother frantically running and screaming for help after
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Speaker 1: her daughter husband drags away. Here's the neighbor whose ring
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Speaker 1: video caught the whole thing on video and audio. Listen,
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Speaker 1: they got enough of the back of the car to
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Speaker 1: really identify the type of vehicle it was. Okay, I'm
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Speaker 1: making it out right now, ring doorbell for David for
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Speaker 1: Father's Day. That's it. See it's sad. To doctor Brian Russell, psychologists, lawyer,
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Speaker 1: host of Fatal Vows, a hit series on investigation, discovery,
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Speaker 1: and author, I love this title. Stop moaning and start owning. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I need to steal that. Start throwing it out to
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Speaker 1: my children when appropriate, Doctor Brian Russell. You hear the
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Speaker 1: mom screaming, help me, help me, help me. And I've
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Speaker 1: told you the story. I won't tell it again. If
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Speaker 1: when John David went missing inside a warehouse size babies
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Speaker 1: are us, I had my eyes off him, I'm not
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Speaker 1: kidding less than twenty seconds. It wasn't even a whole minute.
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Speaker 1: When I was scrambling through a organic sunscreen on the
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Speaker 1: very bottom of a tall shelf, and I finally was
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Speaker 1: down on my knees looking back in there, trying to
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Speaker 1: find it, and I turned around. He was gone. That feeling.
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Speaker 1: You can hear her screaming. A lot of people made
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Speaker 1: a thought, oh, the mom was part of this. No,
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that, doctor Brian Russell. Did you hear
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Speaker 1: her screaming? Yeah? I mean the brazenness of somebody who
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Speaker 1: would try. This is I think the most stunning thing
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Speaker 1: probably to everybody listening. And you know you have to
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Speaker 1: not only be thankful for the neighbor who had the
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Speaker 1: ring video doorbell, which I don't know if people know
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Speaker 1: this now that was a shark tank thing. That guy
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Speaker 1: just you know, they always tell you if you want
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Speaker 1: to become a multi millionaire, find a problem and solve it.
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Speaker 1: That guy, Jamie Simonov, found a problem and solved it.
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Speaker 1: And now you got millions of Americans with these ring
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Speaker 1: video doorbells, and you know it can solve a lot
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Speaker 1: of problems, from package theft to even something like this.
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Speaker 1: But the other thing too is the presence of mind
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Speaker 1: of the mother to do everything she possibly could to
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Speaker 1: make it as hard as it possibly could be, which
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Speaker 1: drug it out longer and allowed more video to be captured.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Her name
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Speaker 1: is Salem Subodka. She's believed to have been kidnapped at
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Speaker 1: twenty nine hundred sixth Avenue, the corner of West Loudon
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Speaker 1: in Fort Worth. Police say the eight year old girl
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Speaker 1: was last seen wearing a teal colored T shirt. A
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Speaker 1: statewide amber alert has been issued. Authorities believe she's traveling
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Speaker 1: with a forty year old black male. We also have
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Speaker 1: surveillance video briefly that has been released to media outlets
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Speaker 1: where you can hear in the background the mother. We
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Speaker 1: believe the mother is screaming for help. This is security
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Speaker 1: footage from a neighboring home there again at the twenty
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Speaker 1: nine hundred block I believe of sixth Avenue in West
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Speaker 1: loud and South fort Worth. You can see this as
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Speaker 1: early in the evening. This has been an active scene
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Speaker 1: now for hours. You're hearing our friends at CBS eleven.
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Speaker 1: They're in Dallas Fort Worth. This incident sending shock writes
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Speaker 1: through the community. A little girl just eight years old,
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Speaker 1: out for a walk with her mom broad daylight, grabbed
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Speaker 1: by a predator force and his car. Mommy dives in
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Speaker 1: the car to fight the guy. The guy pushes her
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Speaker 1: out onto the street and takes off. You can hear
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Speaker 1: the mothers screaming to Ella Kilaurin joining me. Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Ellen, what kind of car was it?
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Speaker 1: It was a gray Ford Sedan. It had paper tags,
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Speaker 1: which complicated they thought might complicate the investigation because those
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Speaker 1: could just be taken off. Yeah, why would that complicate
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Speaker 1: the investigation? John Cardillo, Well, because those are typically temporary
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Speaker 1: tags issued buy a dealer. But like she says, they
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Speaker 1: can be just taken off. They're pretty easy to obtain
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Speaker 1: if you're a mechanic, if you're the janitor and a
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Speaker 1: car dealership, you could probably get your hands on him
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Speaker 1: in somebody's desk drawer. And they don't necessarily come back
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Speaker 1: to an individual. They might come back to a car dealership,
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Speaker 1: a wholesaler, an auction house, something like that. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Dallas Fort Worth officer Buddy cal Daza and
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Speaker 1: his presser. This took place at six thirty eight pm.
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Speaker 1: We are located right now at the twenty nine hundred
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Speaker 1: block of sixth Avenue. That's right near the thirteen hundred
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Speaker 1: block of West Loudon. The female that we're looking for
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Speaker 1: is going to be an eight year old. Her name
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Speaker 1: is Subodka s A b A t k A. Last
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Speaker 1: name is Salem s A L E. M. The eight
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Speaker 1: year olds date of birth is four nine, twenty eleven.
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Speaker 1: This young lady was wearing a teal colored T shirt
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Speaker 1: with the words Centennial across the chest. She also had
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Speaker 1: some periwinkle c foam colored leggings is what I'm being
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Speaker 1: told as well to some green leggings. I want everybody
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Speaker 1: to know that's watching this that we have issued a
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Speaker 1: statewide amber you were here again a presser by police
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Speaker 1: as all points bulletin goes out on the vehicle. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to the description of the vehicle as we
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Speaker 1: know it now. The vehicle we're looking for is a
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Speaker 1: gray four door sedan. It does have alloy wheels and
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Speaker 1: according to the video, it has either light or no
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Speaker 1: tent on it. One of the things that was just
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Speaker 1: given to us is that one of the witnesses did
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Speaker 1: see a paper tag on this vehicle. Now keep in
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Speaker 1: mind those are easy to switch out and put a
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Speaker 1: different plate on, but when the incident happened, it did
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Speaker 1: have a paper tag on this vehicle. The suspect that
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Speaker 1: we're looking for, it's going to be a bald blackmail
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Speaker 1: approximately forty years of age, and they are telling me
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Speaker 1: that he has light colored or caramel colored skin. That's
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Speaker 1: kind of it. Right now, you guys, see all the
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Speaker 1: activity going on behind me. We're witnessing, we're talking to
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Speaker 1: all the witnesses that we can. Obviously, we have a
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Speaker 1: very disturbed mom, a very disturbed family right now. So
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Speaker 1: the police department is working hard not just to get
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Speaker 1: this information out to everybody, but to ask that you
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Speaker 1: guys would assist us in any way you can. We
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Speaker 1: are talking about it eight year old girl that goes
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Speaker 1: missing at that point, Ellen Colora, what happens well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: The community and the police really mobilized to try and
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Speaker 1: find this girl. The information was shared on social media.
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Speaker 1: As we heard, there was an amber alert. Text messages
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Speaker 1: were sent to local members of the community, and one
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Speaker 1: of those members of the community, a local pastor, received
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Speaker 1: a text messages the text message about the missing girl.
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Speaker 1: Realizing that he had gone to high school with her
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Speaker 1: father and if he and another person decided that they
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Speaker 1: needed to help, and they spoke to an officer and
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Speaker 1: asked what can we do where? How can we help
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Speaker 1: with this investigation? And the officer told them to look
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Speaker 1: at parks, to look at hotels. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friend Bradley Blackburn WAAABC. It started here in four Ports,
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Speaker 1: Ryan Placed neighborhood, six thirty seven pm. A doorbell camera
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Speaker 1: rolling Salem was walking with her mom when she was
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Speaker 1: pulled in a stranger's car as he drove by. Her
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Speaker 1: mom shoved to the ground screaming for help. This neighbor
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Speaker 1: shared his video with police, the great four to five
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Speaker 1: hundred racing down the street. They got enough of the
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Speaker 1: back of the car to really identify the type of
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Speaker 1: vehicle it was. They launched a man hunt with multiple
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Speaker 1: department spreading the video and a picture of the car.
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Speaker 1: At ten thirty a statewide amber alert. You are hearing
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Speaker 1: the very latest in the search for a little Salems
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Speaker 1: of vodka to Kathleen Murphy joining me now, family lawyer,
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Speaker 1: you know Kathleen Murphy. It almost sounded at the beginning
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Speaker 1: like some sort of a custodial fight, because how would
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Speaker 1: someone know that this mom is walking along with this
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Speaker 1: little girl at this time of the day in broad daylight.
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Speaker 1: But when I heard that mother screaming, that made me
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Speaker 1: know no doubt about it, this was for real. I mean, Kathleen.
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Speaker 1: Of course, there was J. C. Dugard. There were many
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Speaker 1: others that have been kidnapped in broad daylight, usually having
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Speaker 1: something to do with going to a bus stop or
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Speaker 1: returning from a bus stop. But in the big scheme,
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Speaker 1: it's very rare for somebody to be snatched off the
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Speaker 1: street in broad Dale, like when you're with your mom.
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Speaker 1: I've never heard of that, and it's scary to think
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Speaker 1: that we could be out with our children at the
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Speaker 1: very moment and they're our child is kidnapped. Yet the
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Speaker 1: police want to investigate us and see if we contributed
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Speaker 1: to this or it was a parental kidnapping situation. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Police Chief Joel Fitzgerald at this point
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Speaker 1: around the state of Texas are looking for Salem Seboka.
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Speaker 1: As the clock ticks down at about two thirty three
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Speaker 1: am two twenty eight am, I should say, our officers
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Speaker 1: arriving at Baresel, but they're arriving at Fares because of
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Speaker 1: Jay and Jet. Because Jay and Jay relentlessly went out
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Speaker 1: and sought that silver colored for five hundred that Matt
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Speaker 1: to suspect vehicle description on a Whelm. They pull into
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Speaker 1: a parking lot of a hotel and they said they're
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Speaker 1: gonna They're gonna keep looking. It didn't matter whether it
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Speaker 1: was two in the morning or not. They kept looking
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Speaker 1: and they were able to locate that vehicle, notify a
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Speaker 1: farst to a police officer, and they looked inside the vehicle.
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Speaker 1: They came out armed with flashlights. They came armed with
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Speaker 1: just a dogged sticktuitiveness that helped us bring this criminal
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Speaker 1: and to justice. They found forensic evidence inside the car,
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Speaker 1: and when our officers pulled up, it allowed them to
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Speaker 1: quickly locate the person Luke that was inside of the hotel,
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Speaker 1: find with room number that person was in, and they
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Speaker 1: breached the door of that hotel room and found that
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Speaker 1: mall located inside. So John Cardillo, former NYPD, they these
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Speaker 1: two good Samaritans, Jay and Jeff go looking for the car.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine this? How many times have been out
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Speaker 1: of the street looking for I'm not quite sure what
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Speaker 1: I remember one time looking for a twelve year old
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Speaker 1: girl that was part of a child prostitution ring, just looking.
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Speaker 1: I didn't even know what I was looking for. And
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Speaker 1: when I finally found her, when the cops found her,
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Speaker 1: the vice cops, it didn't even look anything like her,
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Speaker 1: like a thirty five year old woman. But that feeling
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Speaker 1: you're out just looking, you don't really know what you're
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Speaker 1: looking for. And they said they went into this parking
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Speaker 1: lot on a wem John Cardillo, Yeah, well, look this
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Speaker 1: was exceptional Nancy. Exceptional work from both the police and
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Speaker 1: the community. Now, this little girl was abducted right right
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Speaker 1: right four seven pm. Police eventually breached that hotel door
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Speaker 1: at about three thirty in the morning, So we're talking
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Speaker 1: about an exhaustive, no holes barred, eight hours search and
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Speaker 1: just to go back for a second, when a child
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Speaker 1: this young is abducted, and police would have known very
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Speaker 1: quickly from that doorbell video that this was not a
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Speaker 1: custodial abduction, a custodial interference case. This was a legitimate
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Speaker 1: abduction and kidnapping. Police spare no resources. They're going to
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Speaker 1: call out every helicopter that any agency in the area
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Speaker 1: has mounted, police on horses, canine police. It's all hands
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Speaker 1: on decks. They police are notified FBI. But the critical
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Speaker 1: piece of evidence in this case was that surveillance video.
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Speaker 1: So in this instance, people actually knew what they were
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Speaker 1: looking for, which was that grave forward five hundred vehicle.
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Speaker 1: And that pastor should be credited alongside the police because
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Speaker 1: he felt going to the hotel's the parks was critical
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Speaker 1: and just by nose to the ground, good observation, they
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Speaker 1: found that car and luckily, because there were so many
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Speaker 1: police resources deployed roaming the area. Police were able to
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Speaker 1: respond very very quickly, which prevented this guy from moving
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Speaker 1: on to another location. Well they fought. Two good samaritans
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Speaker 1: find the car their part in a motel parking lot.
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Speaker 1: They get police. Their police get there, they breach I
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Speaker 1: A blessed down the door. But where is Salem? Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. You're hearing the terrifying moment a
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Speaker 1: mom desperate trying in vain to pull her eight year
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Speaker 1: old little girl, Salem out of a kidnappers car after
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Speaker 1: this guy pulls up in a silver Ford on the
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Speaker 1: street in their neighborhood, yanks Salem off the street, forced
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Speaker 1: her into the car, and pushes the mom out, who's
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Speaker 1: fighting like a wildcat. I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. You hear them. I'm
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Speaker 1: screaming up and down the street. Help me, help me.
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Speaker 1: It was around six thirty pm, broad daylight on a
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Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon and Fort Worth Ritzy Ryan Place neighborhood now foot.
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Speaker 1: She emerges, showing the car and Salem's mother thrown out
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Speaker 1: of the vehicle as it drives away. No doubt this
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Speaker 1: mom was risking her own life to save her daughter.
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Speaker 1: Police issue descriptions of the suspect in his car. They
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Speaker 1: release photos of Salem wearing the same shirt she had
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Speaker 1: on when she was snatched off the street. Cops looking
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Speaker 1: desperately for an eight year old little girl abductive because
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Speaker 1: as we know, every minute counts. To doctor Brian Russell,
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Speaker 1: you know, after the first to three hours, typically a
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Speaker 1: child predator has assaulted the child violently and killed the child.
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Speaker 1: Those are the overwhelming statistics that the child is usually
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Speaker 1: dead about seventy to eighty percent of the time in
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Speaker 1: the first three hours. Brian. Yeah, it's chilling. And at
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Speaker 1: the same time, you want to you've got to maintain hope,
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Speaker 1: and so how do you do that? And I just
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Speaker 1: have to always call to mind the cases that we've
21:01
Speaker 1: discussed over the years where the happy endings have happened.
21:04
Speaker 1: And it's not everybody thinks of Elizabeth Smart, but it's
21:07
Speaker 1: not just her. There have been you know, it's not
21:10
Speaker 1: the majority, but there's certainly have been a number of them. No,
21:14
Speaker 1: it's not specifically on stranger child abduction. If it is
21:19
Speaker 1: a let's just say of relative or a noncostodial parent,
21:24
Speaker 1: usually the child will be brought back safely. The mom
21:27
Speaker 1: jumps in the car in an attempt to rescue her daughter,
21:30
Speaker 1: but the man pushes her off and pushes her out
21:33
Speaker 1: and peels off this little Salem beautiful brown hair, big
21:37
Speaker 1: blue eyes, freckles, little pierced ears, wearing green leggings and
21:42
Speaker 1: a til shirt. When she was abducted, Cops on the
21:44
Speaker 1: lookout for a gray four door Sedan, alloy wheels, light
21:49
Speaker 1: or no tent to the windows. Then two good Samaritans
21:53
Speaker 1: come into play. Jay and Jeff go out on their
21:57
Speaker 1: own in the middle of the night. They're looking for
21:59
Speaker 1: the car and then they find it. Jeff King is
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Speaker 1: a pastor. He is a childhood friend of Salem Sabatka's parents.
22:07
Speaker 1: He says it was not heroism, but rather divine intervention
22:11
Speaker 1: that led them here at this hotel. I was sitting
22:15
Speaker 1: at home my wife and a friend texted and said,
22:18
Speaker 1: then our friends, I hadn't seen him like sixteen years
22:20
Speaker 1: and his daughter was kidnapped, and I was I canna
22:23
Speaker 1: think of was like, what are we going to do
22:25
Speaker 1: to help? So Keen, a pastor at Bear Creek Bible Church,
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Speaker 1: got into his car and started searching for the suspects vehicle.
22:32
Speaker 1: We were told by a detective here at the scene
22:34
Speaker 1: that best places to check our hotels, apartments and parks.
22:39
Speaker 1: A friend joined him and they searched for hours until
22:42
Speaker 1: they came here to the Woodspring Suites in Forest Hill.
22:45
Speaker 1: We started looking at the back ends of different types
22:47
Speaker 1: of cars that they were suggesting, and we were like,
22:48
Speaker 1: it's got to be this car. And so we actually
22:50
Speaker 1: saw one of those, the four to five in the
22:52
Speaker 1: parking lot, and my friend got out looked in the
22:56
Speaker 1: car and then came back over, you know, and said, hey,
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Speaker 1: come and take a look and tell me what you see.
23:02
Speaker 1: I agree with the pastor, Pastor Jeff King, I believe
23:05
Speaker 1: it was divine intervention. It's like looking for a needle
23:08
Speaker 1: in a haystack. They find the hotel. To Ellen Colorin
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Speaker 1: joining me Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter take listen
23:16
Speaker 1: to our friends at WFAA two twenty two am. The
23:20
Speaker 1: moment police breached a hotel door tonight, the chief playing
23:24
Speaker 1: the audio for the crowd. We have her Salem still
23:30
Speaker 1: in the hospital tonight. They say she is stable. Police
23:33
Speaker 1: say she was in the room with Michael Webb, now
23:36
Speaker 1: in Tarran County jail. He's charged with aggravated kidnapping, potentially
23:40
Speaker 1: more as the investigation continues. She was with him for
23:43
Speaker 1: eight hours. This is truly a time when prayers have
23:47
Speaker 1: been answered. But we know a little girl is safe tonight.
23:50
Speaker 1: A miracle. Ellen Colauren, what happened? These two good Samaritans
23:55
Speaker 1: were driving around in the middle of the night, hours
23:58
Speaker 1: after Salem Tobacca was torn away from her mother on
24:02
Speaker 1: a walk. They had received a tip from an unknown
24:06
Speaker 1: source saying to check out some hotels in the Forest
24:09
Speaker 1: Hills area. They go to one hotel, they don't see
24:11
Speaker 1: anything there, and then they're driving past another hotel and
24:16
Speaker 1: a spot the gray forward four door sedan in a
24:20
Speaker 1: parking lot. They drive in. They look at the car
24:23
Speaker 1: and they just know that's the car that police are
24:26
Speaker 1: looking for. They just know it, and they contact police.
24:29
Speaker 1: Police come to the hotel. Hotel staff appears to have
24:34
Speaker 1: figured out by the car which room the suspect and
24:38
Speaker 1: the girl may have been in. Police bust down the
24:41
Speaker 1: door and find them both there. Um Alan Klaura, I
24:44
Speaker 1: don't know how many slazy motels you've been in, but
24:47
Speaker 1: usually you have to actually give your car tag when
24:50
Speaker 1: you pull into a motel and you register or you're
24:52
Speaker 1: supposed to. I guess you can make something up. Take
24:55
Speaker 1: a listen to this. So for media purposes, I'll give
25:05
Speaker 1: you a brief timeline of the events and for parents
25:07
Speaker 1: out here that want to know actually how this evolved.
25:10
Speaker 1: We received the call around six thirty seven last evening,
25:14
Speaker 1: and that call was the mother of the victim, obviously
25:19
Speaker 1: stating that her daughter was grabbed and thrown into a
25:23
Speaker 1: vehicle that drove off. So we had really sketchy information
25:26
Speaker 1: to start out with. We know that miss sweet valiantly
25:31
Speaker 1: fought with the mail that abducted her child, and a
25:35
Speaker 1: neighbor immediately came out was able to help her with
25:38
Speaker 1: her nine one one call and help give information out
25:41
Speaker 1: to members of the police department that arrived shortly thereafter.
25:45
Speaker 1: So between six thirty eight and about eight forty four,
25:48
Speaker 1: our officers that were dispassed here started receiving all the
25:51
Speaker 1: details on the vehicle. They started receiving details on the mail,
25:56
Speaker 1: who was described as a black male with a bald head,
25:59
Speaker 1: wearing a nigh blue sweatsof wearing a gold chain that
26:03
Speaker 1: we later learned with Mike Webb as police Chief, Joel
26:05
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald and you hear everybody cheering and clapping and the
26:09
Speaker 1: return of selling svodka. But Kathleen Murphy, we know this.
26:12
Speaker 1: We know she was in a motel room with this
26:14
Speaker 1: guy for eight or nine hours before she was saved. Nancy,
26:20
Speaker 1: I am heartbroken about this situation, and I'm going through
26:23
Speaker 1: my mind. How did this guy get into a hotel
26:25
Speaker 1: room with a child that young? Obviously it was a
26:28
Speaker 1: hotel room he had before he kidnapped this child. I'm
26:32
Speaker 1: not sure of what transpired to allow him to be
26:35
Speaker 1: in a hotel room with a child. This show clearly
26:39
Speaker 1: this child was distressed. I don't know what happened to
26:42
Speaker 1: facilitate that, but thank god this child has been found.
26:46
Speaker 1: John Cardillo, on a former NYPD We've been wrestling with
26:51
Speaker 1: this question and don't know the answer. I'm working on
26:53
Speaker 1: a book is supposed to come out in March called
26:56
Speaker 1: Don't Be a Victim, Fighting Back against America's Crime Way,
27:00
Speaker 1: and John Cardilo, one of the biggest chapters that involved
27:03
Speaker 1: the most research is keeping your child safe out and
27:06
Speaker 1: about how to not get dragged into a car. And
27:10
Speaker 1: I've pounded it into my children's head so many times.
27:14
Speaker 1: Don't get close to a car, don't even get close
27:17
Speaker 1: to it. Now. You know they've run all these tests
27:20
Speaker 1: on children that no matter how much you tell them,
27:21
Speaker 1: they steal. Somebody goes, hey, can you help me find
27:24
Speaker 1: my puppy, They walk right up to the window. I'm
27:27
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how he got her in the car,
27:30
Speaker 1: because I don't think this guy, Michael Webb ever got
27:33
Speaker 1: out of the car. Somehow he came up beside them
27:39
Speaker 1: and grabbed her and got her in the car and
27:42
Speaker 1: managed to kick the mom back out. I'm not sure
27:46
Speaker 1: how he did it. The point is, John Cardilo, you
27:50
Speaker 1: can't even get close to the car because once an
27:53
Speaker 1: adult can get their hand on the child, just their
27:58
Speaker 1: hand on the child, their shirt there, anything, it's over. Yeah. Well, look,
28:03
Speaker 1: there are many neighborhoods out there, even the most affluent
28:06
Speaker 1: ones that don't have sidewalks, and people these are low
28:08
Speaker 1: traffic streets. People will walk in the street and if
28:12
Speaker 1: they're walking against traffic so they could see it coming.
28:15
Speaker 1: And he's the little girl is close to the driver's side.
28:19
Speaker 1: It's not tough to reach out of your window and
28:21
Speaker 1: grab the child and push the mom back out of
28:25
Speaker 1: the vehicle as it starts moving. It mean, it happens
28:27
Speaker 1: but that's how it would happen. People walking in the
28:30
Speaker 1: street against traffic. Driver's side window opens and it's a
28:33
Speaker 1: very quick snatching clime. Stories with Nancy grace sense of
28:50
Speaker 1: prior criminal history, all I can say is I'm very
28:53
Speaker 1: happy we haven't been custody. Although Sunday's arrest was the
28:56
Speaker 1: first in Tarrant County, court records show Web has a
28:58
Speaker 1: criminal history dating back more than fifteen years. Prior charges
29:02
Speaker 1: include burglary, drug possession, and theft out of Bowie County.
29:07
Speaker 1: We also know that he had a previous incident regarding
29:12
Speaker 1: assaulting someone at a hotel. Those charges had been dismissed
29:16
Speaker 1: as a matter of fact. Taken a listen to our
29:18
Speaker 1: friend Aaron Jone CBSL. Last year in Smith County, a
29:21
Speaker 1: woman claimed Webb assaulted her at a Tyler motel. The
29:24
Speaker 1: two apparently knew each other. Webb feast felony charges, but
29:28
Speaker 1: the case was later dismissed. The decision that we made
29:32
Speaker 1: had to do with the fact that at that time
29:35
Speaker 1: we had an uncooperative victim out of state. Richard Vance,
29:38
Speaker 1: the Assistant District Attorney for Smith County, handled that case.
29:42
Speaker 1: With a case like that, it certainly helps to have
29:46
Speaker 1: the victim mayor present to testify. That wasn't going to
29:50
Speaker 1: happen as the trial date was approaching. So we made
29:53
Speaker 1: the decision to dismiss. And so the hope now is
29:56
Speaker 1: to find that victim in within the statute of the
29:58
Speaker 1: limitations and again and back here and for worth Steve,
30:02
Speaker 1: police say more charges are most likely coming for what
30:05
Speaker 1: you know what that one decision. To doctor Brian Russell, psychologists, lawyer,
30:10
Speaker 1: host of the hit series Fatal Vows on Investigation Discovery,
30:13
Speaker 1: and author of Stop Moaning, Start Owning on Amazon, Doctor
30:17
Speaker 1: Brian Russell, that weighed on me like a set of
30:21
Speaker 1: rocks every time I even took a guilty plea months
30:24
Speaker 1: less went to trial, because I believed with every case,
30:28
Speaker 1: if I didn't take action, if I didn't get a
30:31
Speaker 1: conviction or do the right thing, the purpe could very
30:34
Speaker 1: well get out and offend. Again. That weighed on my
30:39
Speaker 1: mind like you would not believe. And in this case,
30:44
Speaker 1: the very same scenario, this guy Michael Webb allegedly gets
30:49
Speaker 1: a female into a motel, assaults her and charges are
30:54
Speaker 1: dropped and because of that he was out walking free. Yeah,
30:59
Speaker 1: And I think our view or our listeners have heard
31:01
Speaker 1: enough to know that this is the norm. It is all.
31:07
Speaker 1: We almost never talk about a case that turns out
31:10
Speaker 1: to be the very first crime of the perpetrators. And
31:14
Speaker 1: you know, every time I just about want to vomit
31:16
Speaker 1: every time I hear he has a fifteen year criminal history,
31:21
Speaker 1: and I think, how in the hell do you have
31:24
Speaker 1: a fifteen year criminal history and be on the damned street?
31:28
Speaker 1: How do you? How do you? How do we allow
31:30
Speaker 1: people to keep committing crimes for fifteen years and we
31:35
Speaker 1: still don't take him off the street and throw away
31:38
Speaker 1: the key. It's sickening to me. We are learning that
31:42
Speaker 1: salm Sabacca was hold up with this perv in a hotel,
31:48
Speaker 1: a motel for hours on in before she was rescued.
31:51
Speaker 1: Thank god she was rescued. To Kathleen Murphy, I've had
31:55
Speaker 1: many a case where a victim was afraid or did
31:59
Speaker 1: not want to testify. In this previous case, one of
32:01
Speaker 1: the meeting with Michael Webb, the purr of accused in
32:03
Speaker 1: this case, the woman didn't want to go forward. Why
32:06
Speaker 1: because why should she have faith in the system. She
32:10
Speaker 1: probably thought this guy would get right back out on
32:12
Speaker 1: bond and take vengeance on her. I don't know what
32:14
Speaker 1: she thought, but she would not proceed forward. That is
32:17
Speaker 1: when it's on the prosecutor to go forward, right, And Nancy,
32:25
Speaker 1: what would Nancy do? Would Nancy have allowed this victim
32:29
Speaker 1: to not be engaged in this process? And the other
32:32
Speaker 1: part of it is a weapon was involved, a weapon
32:36
Speaker 1: a sexual assault and drugs and for a weapon to
32:40
Speaker 1: be involved in that situation, why wasn't he prosecuted for
32:44
Speaker 1: something even without the victim? And guess what Nancy today? Today,
32:50
Speaker 1: he's got bond. He's got bond. We're not even thrown
32:53
Speaker 1: away the key now. I mean he probably can't pay it.
32:57
Speaker 1: It's a hundred great, But what the hell I mean,
33:00
Speaker 1: has there ever been a better poster person for no bond?
33:03
Speaker 1: I mean, looking at this guy, this guy, you're right,
33:07
Speaker 1: doctor Brian Russell. Michael Webb, fifty one years old is
33:11
Speaker 1: in the Tarrant County jail charged with aggravated kidnap think
33:13
Speaker 1: of an eight year old little girl. They're likely will
33:17
Speaker 1: be additional charges. Now, if the first case had been
33:19
Speaker 1: handled correctly, the one we're telling you about, he would
33:22
Speaker 1: have already been in jail, but it was dropped for
33:26
Speaker 1: police believe the kidnapping was random. The victim, this little girl,
33:31
Speaker 1: and the suspect had no prior relationship. In other words,
33:35
Speaker 1: he never worked in the home, he didn't work with
33:37
Speaker 1: the parents. He had no reason to see Salem. Now,
33:41
Speaker 1: why why is he getting bond there in Tarrant County
33:46
Speaker 1: to Ellen Colorin. What do you know, Nancy? We know
33:48
Speaker 1: that right now he is church only with aggravated kidnapping.
33:53
Speaker 1: More churches are expected. But like we said, he wasn't
33:56
Speaker 1: given bond one hundred thousand dollars. He is still in custody.
34:00
Speaker 1: We don't know if he has some money to pay it.
34:02
Speaker 1: But if he does come up with that one hundred k,
34:04
Speaker 1: he's going to be out. And as we've heard, he
34:07
Speaker 1: has a fifteen year criminal history, terroristic threats, burglary. He's
34:13
Speaker 1: described as a transient, a neighbor of a home or
34:17
Speaker 1: he sometimes stayed, thought that he lived there, but he
34:19
Speaker 1: didn't actually live there. A woman who answered the door
34:22
Speaker 1: said that he was a relative who stayed there sometimes.
34:24
Speaker 1: We don't know if he was maybe living in this
34:27
Speaker 1: hotel where he took the girl, but we know that
34:31
Speaker 1: this is someone who had violent crimes. And here's the thing.
34:36
Speaker 1: Here's the thing on one hundred thousand dollars bond, Kathleen Murphy,
34:40
Speaker 1: you know very well, having worked in the system, you
34:43
Speaker 1: don't need one hundred thousand dollars to get out. You
34:46
Speaker 1: need ten percent. You give a mail bosman ten percent
34:49
Speaker 1: of that ten grand, you're out. You're out, walking free.
34:54
Speaker 1: I know he owns a car, I know that much.
34:56
Speaker 1: What else does he own? So he doesn't have to
34:58
Speaker 1: come up with a hundred thousand dollars, Kathleen, Now he
35:00
Speaker 1: has come up with ten thousand dollars at the most
35:02
Speaker 1: family friend. If he was a convicted criminal, why weren't
35:06
Speaker 1: he prosecuted for possessing firearms in the incident from April
35:10
Speaker 1: of twenty eighteen, You know what, You're right, and then
35:13
Speaker 1: included a sex assault as well a sex assault and
35:16
Speaker 1: agassault with a weapon, all the charges dropped for him
35:19
Speaker 1: to be driving through this neighborhood and put his eyes
35:23
Speaker 1: on Salem's SA vodka. To doctor Brian Russell, psychologist and lawyer,
35:27
Speaker 1: host of Fatal Vows on Investigation Discovery, Doctor Brian, you
35:31
Speaker 1: know it's just as simple as that he doesn't have
35:34
Speaker 1: to know this little girl he's driving along. He sees
35:36
Speaker 1: her and he acts on impulse. What is that, doctor Brian. Well,
35:42
Speaker 1: one thing it is is it's indicative of somebody who
35:44
Speaker 1: has committed crimes before and gotten away with. As soon
35:47
Speaker 1: as I heard of this, I said, if this is real,
35:49
Speaker 1: then this is not this guy's first rodeo. The second
35:53
Speaker 1: thing is, if you know, something is truly a spur
35:56
Speaker 1: of the moment decision, then by definition and can't be
36:00
Speaker 1: well planned. And that works in the cops favor that
36:03
Speaker 1: when the criminal, you know, has really thought things through
36:06
Speaker 1: and planned him out, well, it's harder to catch them.
36:08
Speaker 1: So I was more hopeful in this case than I
36:11
Speaker 1: would be in a case where it seemed like it
36:13
Speaker 1: had been really well thought out and planned, you know.
36:15
Speaker 1: And another interesting thing about this is, you know, this
36:19
Speaker 1: is the outcome that we always hope for. If there's
36:21
Speaker 1: going to be a kidnapping, we hope that the kid
36:24
Speaker 1: is found, say, and you know, God forbid, we don't
36:26
Speaker 1: know what happened to her during the time she was
36:28
Speaker 1: with him, but at least she has been found alive,
36:32
Speaker 1: which is the outcome that we all hope for. But
36:34
Speaker 1: you know, anytime something actually goes this well, the kids kidnapped.
36:38
Speaker 1: Some good samaritan recognizes the car, the cops go to location,
36:42
Speaker 1: find the kid alive. Because of things like this the
36:46
Speaker 1: Jesse Smolette case, the first thing that runs through your
36:49
Speaker 1: mind is, wait a minute, this sounds too easy, too simple,
36:53
Speaker 1: you know, too fantastical. You're right, too fantastical. It's a
36:58
Speaker 1: crime that is a fantastical, so unbelievable for many that
37:02
Speaker 1: it has left the entire fort Worth area shaken rot
37:07
Speaker 1: to the core. Police say, child snatch off the street,
37:10
Speaker 1: walking along in broad daylight with her mom, then discovered
37:14
Speaker 1: in a motel with a strange man. Take a listen
37:18
Speaker 1: to Police Chief Joel Fitzgerald's social media here and fort
37:21
Speaker 1: Worth the full Worth Police Department Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. We
37:26
Speaker 1: use these with humor. We post great pictures all the time,
37:29
Speaker 1: and we've actually got a great following here in full Worth.
37:32
Speaker 1: I believe we have close to a quarter million people
37:34
Speaker 1: that watch us. And we don't just use that social
37:37
Speaker 1: media to be funny all the time. We use them
37:39
Speaker 1: when incidents like this come up. In this particular incident,
37:43
Speaker 1: we have so many followers. We do not only for
37:45
Speaker 1: the media here locally, but we also do a Facebook
37:48
Speaker 1: live so that everybody knows exactly what's going on verbatim
37:51
Speaker 1: from the police department, and we shared the video. We
37:54
Speaker 1: did a live update on exactly when this thing took place,
37:58
Speaker 1: and from there we just asked this you know, to
38:01
Speaker 1: be on the lookout for this vehicle. The thing that
38:03
Speaker 1: caught us off guard is as I'm there at the
38:06
Speaker 1: perimeter live while this thing is going on, we just
38:08
Speaker 1: had citizens after citizens showing up saying I'm here to
38:11
Speaker 1: Voma Peter, what can I do to help? And we
38:14
Speaker 1: basically told them take the pictures that we've put on
38:16
Speaker 1: social media and go help us find this car. And
38:19
Speaker 1: that is exactly what two good Samaritans, including a reverend did.
38:23
Speaker 1: We know. This guy is a welder by profession, that's
38:27
Speaker 1: what he does for a living. And in earlier accounts,
38:30
Speaker 1: the previous prosecutor said they couldn't locate the previous victim.
38:36
Speaker 1: How hard did they try? We wait as just as unfolds,
38:40
Speaker 1: I pray to God this guy stays behind bars. A
38:43
Speaker 1: Salem Sabatka is reunited with her mom, Nancy Grace Crimes Story,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye