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S2E6 - The Daughter Left Behind_ Sonsia Elliot Remembers Audrey Herron(M4A_128K) · Luke's English Podcast

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Speaker 1: In Tragedy a true crime podcast, we discuss missing persons, cases,
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Speaker 1: support the Famili's we feature Welcome to Tragedy, a true
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Speaker 1: crime podcast. I'm Elisa and I'm Michael, and today we're
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Speaker 1: joined by Sancia Elliott, the daughter of Audrey may Heron.
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Speaker 1: For more than twenty years, Sancia has lived with unanswered
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Speaker 1: questions about her mother's disappearance. Here today she helps ensure
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Speaker 1: Audrey is remembered not just as a case, but as
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Speaker 1: a mother who is deeply loved and is still deeply missed. Sancia,
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Speaker 1: thank you for trusting us with your voice and your story,
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Speaker 1: and welcome to the show.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 3: All right, what we're going to do here today is
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Speaker 3: a little bit different. What we've normally done is, you know,
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Speaker 3: we deal with a lot of difficult subjects and a
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Speaker 3: lot of you know, challenging conversations. So we want to
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Speaker 3: start today. We just kind of lightening up a little bit,
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Speaker 3: so we've come up with kind of a question game.
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Speaker 1: All right, So your first question is are you a
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Speaker 1: morning person or a night person?
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm definitely a mourning person. Well, yes, even on
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Speaker 2: my days off, I wake up at like six am.
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Speaker 1: That's terrible.
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Speaker 3: That reminds me of my navy days.
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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
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Speaker 3: As I've gotten older, I've managed to finally stifle that.
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Speaker 3: And Lisa is also not a morning person.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm what's called an angry sleeper. So yeah, if
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Speaker 1: I have to be woken up early in the morning, it's, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's not a necessarily possible experience. I was
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Speaker 1: a teacher and so I had to get up early early,
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Speaker 1: but I would adjust my hours in the summer and
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Speaker 1: be up until like one or two in the morning.
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Speaker 1: So I'm definitely more of a night person, and I
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Speaker 1: think you're probably more of a morning person.
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Speaker 3: I'm a morning person for sure.
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Speaker 1: For sure, totally.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: Question number two, what are a few things that are
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Speaker 1: important to you in your everyday life.
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Speaker 2: Probably self care in the form of like for me,
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Speaker 2: it's fitness, working out, taking care of myself. That's a
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Speaker 2: huge outlet for me. Helps me manage stress. And the
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Speaker 2: spending time with my family is another one. Another important thing.
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Speaker 1: Is there a particular type of fitness workout you do,
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Speaker 1: like CrossFit or yoga or something like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right now I'm doing CROSSWIP. I've dabbled in like
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Speaker 2: working out by myself. I've done like hit type workouts,
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Speaker 2: but I've been doing cross probably about the past five years.
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Speaker 2: I try not to be one of those people that
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Speaker 2: talk about it all the time. That's big.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to ask one question, how high is your
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Speaker 3: box jump? Well, he's pregnant, so I would say non exist,
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Speaker 3: no jumping.
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Speaker 1: No jump.
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Speaker 2: But I always I could probably jump out a thirty
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Speaker 2: in box, but I'm not pregnant pretty easily.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, when I first got in a CrossFit, I realized
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Speaker 3: I am not good at that part.
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Speaker 1: We have just got what are they kettlebells, Yeah, kettlebells.
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Speaker 1: So we're going to try to start incorporating that a
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Speaker 1: little bit. And we do some walking, and we keep
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Speaker 1: talking about incorporating more strength training.
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Speaker 2: So hopefully the kettlebells will to start.
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Speaker 1: We'll do this for us. Yes, all right, and I.
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Speaker 2: Hope they're great, but you can do a lot with them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, these ones are really cool that that Michael got.
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Speaker 1: They you can like pickle up only the certain ones
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Speaker 1: from the handle and the other ones stay at the bottom,
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Speaker 1: so it's adjustable.
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Speaker 3: It's the it's that both likes adjustable one that I
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Speaker 3: picked up, and I really I like the tonspt for
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Speaker 3: how it works. Yeah, I think.
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Speaker 1: That's uh, that'll be really cool. In fact, we plan
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Speaker 1: on getting that started today. So we'll text you later
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Speaker 1: tonight let you know. I'll let me know how to go.
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Speaker 1: And the final question is how do your friends describe you?
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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I don't know. I would say that my
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Speaker 2: friends describe me as I would like to think fun
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Speaker 2: and reliable. I would I would say, you're probably the
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Speaker 2: two words they would use to describe me. Of hope.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say the same. I work for a university.
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Speaker 1: It's all online and always in the Google team or
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Speaker 1: what is it Microsoft teams. I always bring I say,
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Speaker 1: I bring the fun with exclamation points, and people are
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Speaker 1: always like reaching out to me because kind of what
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Speaker 1: we do is sort of monotonous. So every once in
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Speaker 1: a while somebody be like, do you have a knock
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Speaker 1: knock joke? And I'm like, of course I have a
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Speaker 1: knock horse jokes. So it doesn't get really too too
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Speaker 1: a boring. So Michael, how about you? How do you
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Speaker 1: think your friends describe you?
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Speaker 3: It kind of depends on which friends we talked about. Sure, yep,
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Speaker 3: some describing as intense, some relaxed. One thing my friends
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Speaker 3: will always say is I'm always fun, you know. I
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Speaker 3: always trying to make sure that we're doing something fun.
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Speaker 3: I hate being inside and so that's even made the
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Speaker 3: podcasting things sometimes challenging. As I see how nice the
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Speaker 3: weather is outside, I'm like, oh crap, I've got this
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Speaker 3: editing to do and I don't want to do it.
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Speaker 3: So I try to make sure that I around friends
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Speaker 3: and stuff that they know that they're hanging out with me.
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Speaker 3: We're going out, We're going fishing, we're going hiking, we're
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Speaker 3: not going to be setting. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: One thing people always we always talk about is if
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Speaker 1: it has a hard hat and a waiver, Michael wants
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Speaker 1: to do it, that is correct. So when we met,
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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm going to need to be
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Speaker 1: a little more risky. So we've done all kinds of
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Speaker 1: cool things like splunking, going to caves, and we went, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it is. It is really fun. I was actually reflecting
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Speaker 1: on it the other day. I'm like, I can't believe
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Speaker 1: I actually did that. That was wild, Like I just
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Speaker 1: went for it. So, yes, it sounds like all three
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Speaker 1: of us I think fun and that's important.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: As you mentioned at the beginning, there are so many
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Speaker 1: things in life that can weigh us down, and you know,
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Speaker 1: sometimes we need to make sure that. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I don't like the word balance, I like the word harmonized.
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Speaker 3: Am I too old for the word yolo? Because that's
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Speaker 3: how I look That's how I look at it.
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Speaker 1: I think you're too old for the pot I might
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Speaker 1: be too old for that word yolo.
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Speaker 2: No, I think yolo is kind of outdated. So actually I.
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Speaker 3: Think it's so maybe it's perfect. So I am now
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Speaker 3: outdated because I said the word yolo.
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Speaker 1: There you go, So yes, is the answer to your question.
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Speaker 1: Is there something better than yolo that we should know about?
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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I don't know. I'm getting a little old myself.
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Speaker 1: I'm that same.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would also say yolo, but I don't.
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Speaker 1: I'll check with my twenty six year old and she'd
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Speaker 1: be like, oh, there isn't one for you. You will update
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Speaker 1: our terms might know a little bit, but then she
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Speaker 1: won't let me use them. She's like, you can't use those,
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Speaker 1: those aren't for you. All right, Well, thank you for that.
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Speaker 1: That I think was so fun in a really great
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Speaker 1: way for us to get to know you a little
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Speaker 1: bit and give our listeners some knowledge about you as
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Speaker 1: so well. So, so let's talk about your mom. What
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Speaker 1: do you want people to know about your mom?
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Speaker 2: I guess just thought she was a really good mom.
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Speaker 2: I think she was really great in all the roles
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Speaker 2: that she filled in life. She was a good mom,
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Speaker 2: She was a good wife, a good friend, a good daughter.
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Speaker 2: She was always trying to make sure I knew how
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Speaker 2: important I was to her. She spent a lot of
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Speaker 2: time together. I was the oldest of my siblings and
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Speaker 2: there's six years between and my sister, she was the second.
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Speaker 2: So me and my mom would go out quite a bit,
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Speaker 2: go to the mall, go to the movies, lunch, she
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Speaker 2: get shopping, that kind of thing. And she was always
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Speaker 2: calling family members, you know, checking on people if something
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Speaker 2: was going on in the family, making sure everyone was okay.
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Speaker 2: She was always good about getting together with her friends
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Speaker 2: and spending time with them. So I guess that's one
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Speaker 2: thing I would like people to know that she really
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Speaker 2: seemed to value the relationships and people in her life.
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Speaker 1: I am the mother of an only daughter, and so
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Speaker 1: I am so fortunate to be able to have done
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Speaker 1: a lot of things with her. We take we used
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Speaker 1: to take what she's older now about girls' trips. Every summer.
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Speaker 1: We would just go somewhere the two of us for
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Speaker 1: like a week, and they were Those were so fun.
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Speaker 1: Started in about middle school that was just about the
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Speaker 1: right age. So what you're describing as far as that
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Speaker 1: mother daughter relationship, it really resonates with me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like if my mom was still here,
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Speaker 2: we would for sure be doing something very similar to that.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So I know you were tell us a
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Speaker 1: little you were ten when your mom went missing.
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Speaker 2: Is that right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I turned ten in May of that year and then
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Speaker 2: my mom went in August. No, I had to just
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Speaker 2: recently turn ten.
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Speaker 1: That So when we ask you like your recollections, like
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Speaker 1: you know, in the weeks before, in the day that
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Speaker 1: she went missing. It's going to be a little different
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Speaker 1: for you because typically we're talking to people who were
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Speaker 1: you know, adults or even moms who have who are
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Speaker 1: missing their children, So your recollections will be a little
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Speaker 1: bit different. But we'd like to hear what you remember
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Speaker 1: about that day that she disappeared, and maybe you know
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Speaker 1: kind of the weeks leading up to that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So unfortunately, when my mom went missing, so my grandmother,
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Speaker 2: my mom's mother, Charlie, she had her and her husband
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Speaker 2: had a property in Florida, and they had like a
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Speaker 2: travel trailer that they kept from it. And I had
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Speaker 2: left the beginning of August to go stay with my
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Speaker 2: grandmother and her husband for a month in Florida. So
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Speaker 2: I had been down there the entire month of August.
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Speaker 2: And I can't remember the exact date that we returned
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Speaker 2: to come back, but it was not very long before
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Speaker 2: my mom went missing, maybe a few days. I remember
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Speaker 2: talking to her on the phone, I think the day
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Speaker 2: before we were supposed to get back, and I remember
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Speaker 2: she said that she missed me. She said, you're never
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Speaker 2: going away for a mom ever again, not even with Grandma.
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Speaker 2: Then she said, I love you. I have to work
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Speaker 2: and I can't. I can't remember like how many days
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Speaker 2: from then she was picking me up, but she was
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Speaker 2: supposed to work, and then she was going to pick
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Speaker 2: me up the next morning after we got home, and
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Speaker 2: then that was the the last time I talked to
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Speaker 2: her leading up to her disparents.
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Speaker 1: Now we have had some conversations, as you know, several
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Speaker 1: people who are really close to you, Marie and Maria.
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Speaker 1: It's really interesting that you recollect that your mom was
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Speaker 1: going to pick you up. Can you do you remember
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Speaker 1: where she was going to pick you up? Was it
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Speaker 1: going to be at the house you lived in or
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Speaker 1: was it going to be at your grandparents' house?
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Speaker 2: Do you remember that it was going to be at
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Speaker 2: my grandparents' house, my grandmother's house. We got back, I
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Speaker 2: cannot remember what time we got back, and it may
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Speaker 2: have even been like the day my mama missing, or
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Speaker 2: maybe the day before my mama missing we got back,
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Speaker 2: but I know the day we got home or the
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Speaker 2: day after. She was working three to eleven, and so
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Speaker 2: the plan was to pick me up the next morning
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Speaker 2: so I didn't have to get woken up in the
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Speaker 2: middle of the night. So I was just gonna say
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Speaker 2: at grandma's.
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Speaker 1: Mom was in the morning, so typically that would be
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Speaker 1: her getting off work, her going home, sleeping for the
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Speaker 1: evening of course, and then coming to pick you up
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Speaker 1: the next morning.
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Speaker 2: Yep. And my grandmother lived in Selkirk, New York at
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Speaker 2: the time, and it's probably about maybe forty minutes give
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Speaker 2: or take, you know, from my mom's talking freehold.
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Speaker 3: One question that I had is because I thought this
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Speaker 3: was kind of strange. I'm curious of the reasoning behind it.
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Speaker 3: I think as we were talking to Mario and what
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Speaker 3: happened is Okay, you come back with your grandparents, your
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Speaker 3: mom supposed to pick you up, and then she's missing,
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Speaker 3: and then it was in a I think it was
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Speaker 3: either right away or very shortly after you were sent
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Speaker 3: back to your dad's house. Is that correct.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't remember this timeline exactly, and I I
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Speaker 2: think I wasn't told right away that mom was missing.
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Speaker 2: Remember my grandmother telling me that Mom couldn't pick me
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Speaker 2: up that day because she ended up having to go
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Speaker 2: into work or something happened like Katie or Quinn were sick.
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Speaker 2: There was some kind of excuse. I can't remember exactly
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Speaker 2: what it was, but I remember there was some kind
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Speaker 2: of excuses, why to mom, why Mom wasn't going to
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Speaker 2: be there that day to pick me up, that she
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Speaker 2: would be there the next day. And I automatically knew something.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I kind of knew my grandma was lying,
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Speaker 2: Like I just had a feeling because I was not
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Speaker 2: my mom, like, and I had just been gone for
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Speaker 2: a whole month, so I just kind of knew something
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Speaker 2: was up. And then I think the next day she
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Speaker 2: told me my grandmother told me like that mom, no
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Speaker 2: one could find Mom. She didn't use the word miss,
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Speaker 2: and she was like, no one could find Mom. The
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Speaker 2: police are looking for her, search parties looking for her.
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Speaker 2: We're going to find her. And she's you know, everything's
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Speaker 2: in me, okay. And then what was your What the
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Speaker 2: did I answer your question?
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, yeah, that's no problem. Would you just say
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Speaker 3: it was really great information? What I was asking is
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Speaker 3: we were it was indicated us that you know, even
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Speaker 3: during the searches, that you were sent to your dad's
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Speaker 3: house right away, like you were removed from the situation.
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Speaker 3: So I was curious, is that true? And do you
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Speaker 3: know the reason why, Well, my dad.
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Speaker 2: Had partial custody of me. Anyways, so I went and
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Speaker 2: saw my dad every other weekend. My dad had custody
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Speaker 2: of me, so then I feel like I got my
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Speaker 2: grandma's for a week or so after I had found out,
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Speaker 2: you know, we couldn't find her, and then the decision
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Speaker 2: was just made that, you know, my dad has partial custody.
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Speaker 2: Mom was missing, so I should go stay with dad
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Speaker 2: until she was found. I don't really ever being I
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Speaker 2: don't really remember being asked if I wanted to do that,
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Speaker 2: but I spent every other weekend with my dad and
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Speaker 2: I loved being at his house, so I was okay
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Speaker 2: with going there. You know, at the time, I didn't
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Speaker 2: want to live there full time, but I was okay
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Speaker 2: with that.
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Speaker 1: And so tell us what you can remember, or even
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Speaker 1: the reports that you have read as an adult about
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Speaker 1: some of the searches and some of the efforts that
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Speaker 1: were going on to find your mom.
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Speaker 2: It's pretty bigue what I know, but I know there
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Speaker 2: from what I've been what I've been told, and what
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Speaker 2: I've seen in my past newspaper articles. There was extensive
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Speaker 2: ground searches with you know, volunteers, police canines, helicopters, water searches,
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Speaker 2: you know, in the radius where she went missing. And
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Speaker 2: then I do remember we had some candle light vigils
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Speaker 2: in the beginning. You know, we made flyers. We were
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Speaker 2: just trying to get her face out there. And I'd
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Speaker 2: never particulated in any of the searches, but I did
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Speaker 2: go to the handle, like the jewels. I did help
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Speaker 2: kind of distribute flyers and try to get her face
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Speaker 2: out there with Marie and you know, family to my
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Speaker 2: aunt and my grandmother. But you know, to my memory,
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Speaker 2: that's like what I remember the most of life. The beginning,
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Speaker 2: I remember. I remember there were a lot of police
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Speaker 2: at my house that I had lived at with my mom,
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Speaker 2: So my mom's house with Jeff, there was a big
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Speaker 2: police presence there. I remember them being present. It's pretty
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Speaker 2: much what I remember from the very beginning.
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Speaker 1: And then as this as her disappearance continued, can you
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Speaker 1: talk to us about law enforcements continued efforts. Obviously initially
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Speaker 1: you know there's a lot of support and trying to
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Speaker 1: find her, and you just described the police presence. Did
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Speaker 1: that change over time? Just kind of talked to us
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Speaker 1: about the relationship that you've had with the local law enforcement.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I thought of growing up, let's changed hands
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Speaker 2: a few times, and as I was growing up, my grandmother,
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Speaker 2: my mom's mom has always been the primary contact, so
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Speaker 2: I really was kind of left out of it for
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Speaker 2: the most part. And then any new information or any
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Speaker 2: calls automatically went to my grandmother, and then my grandmother
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Speaker 2: would keep me updated. From what I remember, if my
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Speaker 2: grandmother's said that they were pretty good about returning her
16:31
Speaker 2: calls when she would call. You know, sometimes a lot
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Speaker 2: of time would go by without hearing anything, and a
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Speaker 2: lot of the times there wasn't really anything to update
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Speaker 2: USNG that seems like whenever there was, they would call her.
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Speaker 2: And then I recently took over as like the primary contact,
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Speaker 2: me and my sister, mostly me, but me and my
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Speaker 2: sister probably about five years ago. You know, as I
16:57
Speaker 2: become older and an adult and my grandmother's health is
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Speaker 2: not the best now, they'll call me or text me
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Speaker 2: or whatever. Her the investigator on her case right now
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Speaker 2: is investigator Gabriel, and he is he's very good about
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Speaker 2: staying in contact with me, and you know, I can
17:16
Speaker 2: text him and he will answer a question I have.
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Speaker 2: You know, I can text him a lead and ask
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Speaker 2: that it get looked into, or if he feels like
17:24
Speaker 2: it needs to get looked into. And he's always very
17:27
Speaker 2: receptive and open with anything I suggest or ask about.
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Speaker 2: So that's my experience so far with him has been good.
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Speaker 2: But in the beginning it was mostly my grandmother, so
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Speaker 2: I can only speak to you know what she told me,
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Speaker 2: if that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and you have since relocated, do you how often
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Speaker 1: do you go back or do you go back to
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Speaker 1: that area? I mean, you have family there, so I
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Speaker 1: would imagine that you do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we live in Arizona now and Tucson, but we
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Speaker 2: go home every August Septmber and you go for like
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Speaker 2: a three week trip. Every year. We try to go,
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Speaker 2: so that's nice. Yeah, so at least once a year.
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Speaker 2: And then obviously, you know, something happened the wedding death unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: then we'll fly home for that. But we do a
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Speaker 2: big trip every Audust.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that's a great time of year
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Speaker 1: to leave Arizona and go to upstate New York.
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Speaker 2: That's the best tign for that time. We're like done
18:23
Speaker 2: so hot and we're like are questioning all our choices
18:26
Speaker 2: for moving here here, and then we go home in
18:29
Speaker 2: New York and the weather's nice, and then by the
18:32
Speaker 2: time we come back. It's just the edge is just
18:35
Speaker 2: starting to come off in Arizona, and I think they're
18:38
Speaker 2: been a cool down and there's my sister ahead, so
18:40
Speaker 2: it's the perfect time to get out of here. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We've spent some time in the Adirondacks, and we actually
18:46
Speaker 1: through the Catskills one time when we were heading from
18:50
Speaker 1: where were we not Lake Placid, Niagara Falls up towards
18:54
Speaker 1: the Lake Placid areas, and that was August. I think, so, yeah,
18:59
Speaker 1: really really nice. But then we got a lot colder
19:02
Speaker 1: than a lot colder faster than I was expecting. So
19:06
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, September, let's get out of here.
19:09
Speaker 2: I had this past year. We went home to New
19:11
Speaker 2: York and I packed I want to say, like nine
19:14
Speaker 2: pairs of shorts and two pairs of jeans, and I
19:17
Speaker 2: lived in the two pairs of jeans.
19:22
Speaker 1: Just never know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, One question I have is you talked about, you know,
19:25
Speaker 3: how investigators are picking up and taking leads that you're providing.
19:29
Speaker 3: What's some of the latest leads that you've been given
19:32
Speaker 3: or discovered, and you know what was the outcome of those?
19:35
Speaker 2: Honestly, mostly through social media, like I might get a
19:38
Speaker 2: message from someone saying oh, on Google Maps, it looks
19:42
Speaker 2: like there's a cheap in this creek here and it's
19:46
Speaker 2: not on your mom throughout home, but like it could
19:49
Speaker 2: have been like a possible route home, like it's like
19:51
Speaker 2: a side route. So things like that, I usually just
19:55
Speaker 2: send to him and I say, hey, was this area
19:58
Speaker 2: looked at with a ventures with purpose? Was here? Did
20:02
Speaker 2: you guys look in the the area? And there's times
20:04
Speaker 2: when he's gone out and looked in areas or sometimes
20:08
Speaker 2: you know, people might mess with me and say like, oh,
20:12
Speaker 2: this person said that they know who did something your
20:15
Speaker 2: mom or said it with this guy, and then I'll
20:18
Speaker 2: pass along their information to him. I'll send him screenshops
20:22
Speaker 2: of the message so then he can contact this person.
20:25
Speaker 2: Because honestly, I really just kind of like to stay
20:28
Speaker 2: out of it when people are bringing me these things.
20:31
Speaker 2: I would rather them just go right for him.
20:35
Speaker 3: No, it makes total.
20:35
Speaker 2: Sense, Yes it does.
20:37
Speaker 1: We have what has started real small with this podcast
20:42
Speaker 1: says that unsolved a homicide of Michael's uncle and in
20:47
Speaker 1: the community that we live in, and people I am
20:50
Speaker 1: experienced what you're experiencing. People will say I heard someone
20:54
Speaker 1: say something about and I'm like, well, did you notify
20:58
Speaker 1: the sheriff's office and they're like no, And I'm like,
21:00
Speaker 1: would you please notify the Sheriff's office and or call
21:03
Speaker 1: our tip line. So yes, it's sort of like this
21:08
Speaker 1: weird intermediary role. And I think it's just that push
21:12
Speaker 1: to notifying law enforcement, which is so so important. Yeah,
21:17
Speaker 1: I understand I've been experiencing what you're going through with that,
21:21
Speaker 1: So talk about the impact that this has had on you. Obviously,
21:24
Speaker 1: I mean it is a massive impact, but we don't
21:27
Speaker 1: want to begin to believe that we understand how your
21:30
Speaker 1: mom's disappearance has impacted you, So we'd like to hear
21:33
Speaker 1: that from you.
21:34
Speaker 2: I always struggle with this question. I asked this question
21:37
Speaker 2: a lot, and when I do like interviews like this,
21:40
Speaker 2: but it's so hard to put into words exactly like
21:45
Speaker 2: how something like this just you know, impacts you. But
21:49
Speaker 2: I'll try my best. You know.
21:50
Speaker 1: As a child, my entire life.
21:52
Speaker 2: Changed as I knew it. I moved in with my dad.
21:55
Speaker 2: I was growing up with my brother and sister at
21:57
Speaker 2: the time. I go from that family with my brother
22:01
Speaker 2: and sister to my dad's. I'm the only child there.
22:06
Speaker 2: I'm no longer living on a daily basis with my
22:10
Speaker 2: brother and sister and growing up with them. I eventually
22:13
Speaker 2: had to change schools, so you know, I had you know,
22:16
Speaker 2: which is kids are resilient, and I did fine, but
22:20
Speaker 2: it was just on top of everything, had all my
22:23
Speaker 2: friends from Greenville school. I had to change to a
22:26
Speaker 2: different school because my dad lived in a different district.
22:29
Speaker 2: Just growing up as a teenage girl without the support
22:33
Speaker 2: of your mother is tough. It's hard. I struggled a
22:39
Speaker 2: lot mentally as a teenager growing up, just you know,
22:44
Speaker 2: trying to get through school, trying to decide what I
22:47
Speaker 2: wanted to do with my life, trying to stay positive,
22:51
Speaker 2: trying to have a positive outlook on life, trying to
22:54
Speaker 2: not let my mom's disappearance affect me in a negative way,
22:58
Speaker 2: which is takes a lot of work. So it's hard,
23:03
Speaker 2: and there are days when it certainly does. And then
23:08
Speaker 2: you've been you know, in college, when you you know,
23:11
Speaker 2: all the milestones become hard because you make it through
23:15
Speaker 2: high school, you graduate high school, and then you know,
23:17
Speaker 2: there's like the sting of your mom not being there
23:20
Speaker 2: and you still don't really know why she's not there.
23:23
Speaker 2: It's not like, you know, like mom's Mom's not here
23:25
Speaker 2: because of this, and you have that, you know, you
23:28
Speaker 2: know that's the reason why. It's like Mom's not here
23:30
Speaker 2: and I don't know why, and you know, socks, it hurts.
23:35
Speaker 2: And then you graduate college and like I became a
23:37
Speaker 2: nurse and that she was a nurse and that was
23:39
Speaker 2: that was like a really tough milestone. That would have
23:42
Speaker 2: been great for her to be there for that, to
23:43
Speaker 2: see that, And then you know, it just continues on always.
23:48
Speaker 2: Then you become a mom and you want your mom.
23:53
Speaker 2: It's definitely tough, I would guess. I mean, it's the
23:56
Speaker 2: only way I know, But I I envy my friends
24:00
Speaker 2: have their moms to help them with their kids or
24:02
Speaker 2: check on them, or you know, they can call them
24:04
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night with questions or tears
24:07
Speaker 2: or whatever it is. So yeah, I guess the impact
24:12
Speaker 2: is all those things kind of combined.
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Speaker 1: And is there anything that you wanted to share about
24:17
Speaker 1: your mom that we did not give you an opportunity
24:20
Speaker 1: to share. I don't think so.
24:22
Speaker 2: I mean, I do think one thing that is important
24:26
Speaker 2: to listeners to know is I don't my mom.
24:31
Speaker 1: I don't.
24:31
Speaker 2: I think probably a lot of people say about their
24:33
Speaker 2: missing love them, but my mom would not have left
24:36
Speaker 2: on her own accord, like, she didn't just abandon her
24:40
Speaker 2: family there was. That was not her behavior at all.
24:44
Speaker 2: There was. She had no mental illness, no substance abuse.
24:48
Speaker 2: She was very devoted to her family, to her children.
24:52
Speaker 2: So her just up and leaving is not a It's
24:56
Speaker 2: not something that I believe happened.
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