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How Much Will Matt Patricia Change The Buckeyes' Defense? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: gonna let you hear a little bit from New Ohio
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Speaker 1: state defensive coordinator Matt Patricia. We get a chance to
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Speaker 1: talk to him about a week ago in the lead
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Speaker 1: up to Monday's start of spring practice. He had some
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Speaker 1: real interesting stuff to say, and frankly, he's someone who
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Speaker 1: I think is maybe the subject of the most interest
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Speaker 1: of any of the new folks around the Ohio State
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Speaker 1: football program this year, So it'll get let you hear
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Speaker 1: directly from him some of the stuff that he had
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Speaker 1: to say about his previous experience in college, his experience
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Speaker 1: in the pros, what this season is going to be like,
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Speaker 1: his first impressions of Ohio State players, and much much more.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with just what have you been doing? Because
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Speaker 1: he had a year off after he was working with
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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles in the twenty twenty three season. He
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Speaker 1: was not working in the NFL last year, so he
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Speaker 1: made the most of it. He was not backpacking across
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Speaker 1: Europe or anything like that, but studying the game of
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Speaker 1: college football and studying college studying football in general.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, and I think you nailed it
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Speaker 2: right on the head there. That year off really gave
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Speaker 2: me a good chance to kind of look at the
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Speaker 2: full landscape of football. Honestly. You know, when you're kind
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Speaker 2: of just in that grind and you're going all the time,
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Speaker 2: and you're you're playing a lot of games, so you know,
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Speaker 2: the season goes late, you just going to that next mode.
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Speaker 2: And for me, it was a great opportunity to kind
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Speaker 2: of step back and say, Okay, what's changed. And I honestly,
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Speaker 2: for me, one of the most exciting things I think
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Speaker 2: in college football was the playoffs, like to have that,
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Speaker 2: that's what you know, I loved about the NFL. It
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Speaker 2: was like, just give me a chance, get us in
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Speaker 2: the playoffs. We got chance to like make a run
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Speaker 2: or be able to get going. And I thought that
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Speaker 2: was so cool in college football this past year. I
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Speaker 2: was excited to see it. Obviously it was great for
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Speaker 2: Ohio State and that along with you know, some of
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Speaker 2: the things are doing with an IL and some of
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Speaker 2: the other changes that are coming. It just made me
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Speaker 2: feel like kind of what I had been doing, you know,
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Speaker 2: and the NFL is always changing and they're going in
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Speaker 2: a direction too, and I thought that it just felt
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Speaker 2: like this is you know, studying it in the in
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Speaker 2: the off season that college football to me really felt like, Okay, hey,
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Speaker 2: that's where I want to be. You know, it's going
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Speaker 2: to be very familiar in certain things for me. The playoffs,
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Speaker 2: the competition, all of that. I just it was really
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Speaker 2: kind of very I don't know, kind of just called
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Speaker 2: to me.
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Speaker 3: I guess.
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Speaker 1: Matt Patricia has a lot of experience working with as
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Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator. He does, not, however, have a lot
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Speaker 1: of experience, at least in the last twenty years or so,
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Speaker 1: having to work fruit. So what has that adjustment been
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Speaker 1: like for him?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, huge adjustment, absolutely, you know, recruited a long time ago,
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Speaker 2: you know, it was a while, and that landscape is
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Speaker 2: completely changed, you know what. I love the recruiting process though,
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Speaker 2: you know, and I'm in the deep end right now.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to swim and get caught up, you know
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Speaker 2: as I dive in. But you know, building those relationships
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Speaker 2: and again having conversations with parents, having conversations with you know, mom, dad,
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Speaker 2: you know, potential player for us student athlete, telling them
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Speaker 2: what and how we can help develop and grow you know,
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Speaker 2: their their son. That's really important, you know, and that's
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Speaker 2: something I think that you know, for me, I really enjoyed.
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Speaker 2: I enjoyed having those conversations. I enjoyed building those relationships.
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Speaker 2: You do some recruiting. It's different in the NFL, but
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Speaker 2: you know, so talking about things like football scheme all
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Speaker 2: that's kind of the same. You know, like, hey, how
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Speaker 2: do you how do you use me in this position?
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Speaker 2: Or what do you think about me here? The evaluation
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Speaker 2: of the player, that's the same. But the beauty of it,
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Speaker 2: or the extra wonderful benefit is now we're but we're
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Speaker 2: talking about you know, we're talking about your son as
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Speaker 2: a as a person. How is he going to grow
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Speaker 2: and develop school learning, just you know, from being a
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Speaker 2: young man into having to go into that next step
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Speaker 2: and look for Obviously, the guys that are coming here
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Speaker 2: that want to go to the NFL, if that's their goal,
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Speaker 2: that's certainly something I can help them with. You know,
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Speaker 2: I've had a lot of jobs in the NFL and
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Speaker 2: both sides of the ball and you know, front office
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Speaker 2: roles and head coach roles and all you know, coordinator roles,
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Speaker 2: so I know what's required for that. I know what's
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Speaker 2: needed for that. So just being able to talk to
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Speaker 2: the kids and the parents, I know that's like a
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Speaker 2: long term, you know, sort of vision, but that's what
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Speaker 2: they want to do after they get done here, so
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Speaker 2: I can help them with that. So that's all been really,
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Speaker 2: it's been fun. It's the hardest thing for me right
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Speaker 2: now is just you know, I'm trying to the areas
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Speaker 2: and you know, the bigger schools and obviously.
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Speaker 3: You know, I mean, look, there's nothing better than Ohio
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Speaker 3: high school football. I mean this is like you know,
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Speaker 3: I know that from even being in the NFL, like
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Speaker 3: just where all the good players are coming from. So
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Speaker 3: I'm excited to be in this state. That is amazing.
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Speaker 1: Matt Patricia has talked in the past about the fact
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Speaker 1: that they need to build their system around the talent
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Speaker 1: that they have. So what are the overall principles that
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Speaker 1: guide in Matt patricia defense. Within those the understanding that
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Speaker 1: you're still building a system around the town.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's something that kind of developed, right. I
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Speaker 2: think when I originally went to New England in the
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Speaker 2: early two thousands, the game was different. You know, there
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Speaker 2: was much more like two back sets and double tight
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Speaker 2: end sets, and we were fundamentally at three to four
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Speaker 2: team as people would say now our three fourth changed
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Speaker 2: through the years. We always kind of were developing it
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Speaker 2: and evolving it, but the game changed and one of
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Speaker 2: the things that kind of happened to us at New England.
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Speaker 2: Luckily enough, fortunately I'm all very lucky with the things
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Speaker 2: that happened for a reason, but we would pick late
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Speaker 2: in the draft because of our season, our three to
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Speaker 2: four scheme really expanded, you know, a couple of our
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Speaker 2: coaches left, Romeo Crenell left and Eric went to the Jets,
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Speaker 2: and so it became much more difficult to find the
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Speaker 2: pieces to fit the scheme. So we had to take
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Speaker 2: the reverse effect. Let's just get the best players we can.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring them in and let's figure out how to
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Speaker 2: use them. Let's figure out how to put them in position.
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Speaker 2: And then with eleven personnel and no huddles and all
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Speaker 2: those things that evolved. The game changed from a really
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Speaker 2: heavy kind of like called base defensive packages to multiple
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Speaker 2: sub packages. And that's something else that happened. And we
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Speaker 2: just had guys that evolved the defense through the years
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Speaker 2: because they were on our team. So saying all that,
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Speaker 2: I guess what I tell everybody is, you know, my
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Speaker 2: whole goal is to try to figure out what do
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Speaker 2: you do well? How do I put you in the
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Speaker 2: best position to go get on the field and do
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Speaker 2: that well, that job well to the best of your ability.
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Speaker 2: Because if you can play fast, you can play aggressive
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Speaker 2: because you know, you know I have you in your
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Speaker 2: skill set, then you're gonna be disruptive as a defensive player.
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Speaker 2: You're gonna help us win as a defense, win as
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Speaker 2: a team, and we can fit the pieces around where
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Speaker 2: everybody goes, you know, in that accord, so and then
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Speaker 2: go from there. So that's kind of like, you know,
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Speaker 2: I've coached all of it, right, it doesn't really matter.
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Speaker 2: I've coached for three four four, three nickel, big nickel dimes,
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Speaker 2: all those packages, four down fronts, five down fronts, odd spacing,
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Speaker 2: you know, just you kind of do through the course
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Speaker 2: of the year. So to me, it's all like, hey,
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Speaker 2: that guy can do this or that guy can do this.
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Speaker 2: And then I also think it creates roles, so it's
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Speaker 2: not always like the same eleven on the field. So
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Speaker 2: you can have a really good skill set and you
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Speaker 2: can do something, and if it's in a critical situation,
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Speaker 2: then you know, we got to get you in that
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Speaker 2: spot and help you be in that situation to win
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Speaker 2: the game.
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Speaker 1: If they are building the system around the talent, oh boy,
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Speaker 1: is there plenty of talent in that wood he Hayes
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Speaker 1: Athletic Center. This year, let's start with just Matt Patricia's
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Speaker 1: first impressions of some of the guys on defense, first
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Speaker 1: impressions of Caleb Down, some of the other guys he
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Speaker 1: has to work with this year.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's hard not to walk in the building
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Speaker 2: and try to find Caleb as fast as possible, right,
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Speaker 2: I mean, he is unbelievable, amazing player, very versatile. You know,
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Speaker 2: we can there's a lot of like, you know, you
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Speaker 2: look at a guy, then you're like, Okay, we're gonna
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Speaker 2: be able to do some really fun things with him.
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Speaker 2: And he's super smart and he's so such a good,
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Speaker 2: great student of the game, and his approach is amazing,
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Speaker 2: sunny styles. I mean, you know when you look at
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Speaker 2: him and you know our belt, I mean, those are guys.
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Speaker 2: We always had big backers. I walked in and I
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Speaker 2: was like, okay, I'm home. I'm like, this is like
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Speaker 2: these guys are you know, They're big, they're long, they
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Speaker 2: can move, they eat up a lot of space. So
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Speaker 2: now my brain just starts going like, oh we can
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Speaker 2: we can do this. We can move them here, we
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Speaker 2: can put them there, we can line up here and
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Speaker 2: do all those things. But then you've got you got
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Speaker 2: igb outside, you know, Jermaine, you got you have so
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Speaker 2: many great players.
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Speaker 3: To me, it's exciting, exciting.
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Speaker 1: Matt Patricia is in a little bit of a unique
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Speaker 1: spot where he's coming in to work as a defensive coordinator.
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Speaker 1: But the whole rest of the defensive assistant staff, those
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Speaker 1: guys are all returning. And these are all guys that
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Speaker 1: he's never worked with before, except for Tim Walton, who
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Speaker 1: he shared a staff with back at Syracuse in about
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Speaker 1: twenty years back. So what has that been like to
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Speaker 1: be working with all new people?
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Speaker 2: I mean, how lucky for me right to be able
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Speaker 2: to come in a situation where these guys can really
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Speaker 2: help me, bring me in, you know, and let me.
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Speaker 2: And so obviously I lean on Tim quite a bit
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Speaker 2: because of our relationship going back. But Coach Johnson and
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Speaker 2: I have known each other for a long time, you know,
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Speaker 2: going back to when I was at Syracuse University. The
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Speaker 2: head coach there was Paul Pascaloni. He had played at
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Speaker 2: Penn State, so we always kind of had a Penn
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Speaker 2: State Syracuse you know kind of connection, and obviously just
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Speaker 2: admired him through the years and always was talking to
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Speaker 2: him because he always great players coming out wherever he's
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Speaker 2: coached to come to our level. So you were always
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Speaker 2: building those relationships, and so to be able to sit
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Speaker 2: down and talk football and philosophy with him is amazing.
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Speaker 2: The cover stuff with Tim and I it's like just
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Speaker 2: like a natural conversation because and again Tim was in
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Speaker 2: the NFL for a long time too, so a lot
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Speaker 2: of those conversations are are great Matt, and you know James.
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Speaker 2: I worked out James here. I'm probably pretty sure it
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Speaker 2: was out on this field and I was, you know,
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Speaker 2: yelling at him. But you know, super smart player, a
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Speaker 2: guy that saw the game extremely well and was able
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Speaker 2: to play fast because of it, and so all of that,
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Speaker 2: those connections, it's been it's been really awesome. And I'm
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Speaker 2: just again, I just my job's realady to sit and
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Speaker 2: learn and try to observe and then okay, where can
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Speaker 2: I add, where can we change? Where can we adjust?
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Speaker 2: And you know, and then we got to work it
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Speaker 2: out as a staff.
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Speaker 1: If you're watching on YouTube, you have our he's seen this.
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Speaker 1: But during that interview, Matt Patricia had the pencil kind
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Speaker 1: of tucked behind his ear inside his hat. That's sort
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Speaker 1: of like a signature thing for him. So where did
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Speaker 1: that start?
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Speaker 3: Sorry?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did.
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Speaker 2: I was Actually I was that practice too. Sorry, I
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Speaker 2: was like I was rolling. Yeah, you know what, I'm
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Speaker 2: always taking notes. I actually don't have mine, but I
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Speaker 2: usually care like a little notebook. So even when our
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Speaker 2: guys are working out, I'm probably walking around just taking
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Speaker 2: little notes, and you know, we're always drawing football. It's
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Speaker 2: kind of just a habit at most points from being
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Speaker 2: a young coach and breaking film. You know, I think
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Speaker 2: I kind of told the story on it was Julian's
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Speaker 2: podcast or the show that coach and I did. But
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Speaker 2: you know, as a young coach, we would break down film.
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Speaker 2: I would draw every play, you know, in detail, all
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Speaker 2: twenty two guys, footwork, depths, alignments, all of it. And
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Speaker 2: it really was you know, we hand drew them and
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Speaker 2: you know, a good old number two was the best.
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Speaker 2: You get nice and sharp. You could have a nice
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Speaker 2: clean point and the lines were smooth. But it used
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Speaker 2: to take us like twelve hours to break a game.
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Speaker 2: You know, you're drawing every play. So when you're coaching
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Speaker 2: all day long and then trying to break four or
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Speaker 2: five games during the course of the week, if you
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Speaker 2: had ten minutes, I didn't care where you were in
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Speaker 2: the building. You had your pads with it. You were like, boo,
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Speaker 2: let me, you know, let me start to draw. It
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Speaker 2: kind of just went in the hat behind the ear
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Speaker 2: because that was the safest place to put it. So
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Speaker 2: that's kind of where that is. But I'm always trying
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Speaker 2: to take notes and stuff.
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Speaker 1: Matt Patricia was a defensive coordinator for Bill Belichick with
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Speaker 1: the New England Patriots for three Super Bowl championships. And
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Speaker 1: just like Patricia, Bill Belichick is back to college this
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Speaker 1: year as well. He's the head coach at North Carolina.
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Speaker 1: So did Bill Belichick make it to jump to the
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Speaker 1: college game maybe help inspire Matt Patricia to make the
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Speaker 1: same move as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say this U. Bill and I are
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Speaker 2: obviously very close. We talk a lot, you know, and
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Speaker 2: we've spent a great you know, almost two decades together
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Speaker 2: of football conversation too. But we were together every day
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Speaker 2: this past fall. You know, we did the Coach Show
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Speaker 2: on YouTube, which was which was great. That was something
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Speaker 2: I wrote last spring, and I just you know, another
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Speaker 2: way for he and I get in the room and
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Speaker 2: just teach football, which we'd love to do. Thanks. But
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Speaker 2: we did have a lot of conversations about college football,
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Speaker 2: you know, through the course of really last spring, taking
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Speaker 2: a look at how we really get fascinated with roster builds.
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Speaker 2: So one of the things I think that was really
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Speaker 2: interesting with college football was with the portal with you know,
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Speaker 2: the two opportunities there with recruiting, how fast can you
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Speaker 2: build your team? How fast can you really you know,
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Speaker 2: get the good players in the building. In the NFL,
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Speaker 2: it was pretty pretty rigid. You know, you knew your points,
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Speaker 2: whether it was free agency, to the draft, to the
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Speaker 2: fifty three cut, to the to the trade deadline. Those
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Speaker 2: are the four opportunities. Then with the contracts, you know,
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Speaker 2: how many, how many, how many really big contracts can
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Speaker 2: you sign? And we just we got fascinated with the
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Speaker 2: college model, so we really started studying a lot of
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Speaker 2: the different schools and how they were building the rosters.
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Speaker 2: So we did have a lot of those conversations.
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Speaker 1: You can learn a lot from a successful year, but
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Speaker 1: sometimes you can learn a lot more from years that
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Speaker 1: are well, not quite as successful, that's for sure. I
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Speaker 1: think took a lot from his time as the defensive
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Speaker 1: coordinator in New England, were they a ton of success,
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Speaker 1: but he also had a very unsuccessful stint as the
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Speaker 1: Detroit Lions head coach. That does not exactly put you
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Speaker 1: in unique company, not being a successful Detroit Lions head coach.
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Speaker 1: But what did he learn from his time in Detroit.
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Speaker 2: H There, there's so much you learn in that situation.
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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, you know, for myself, going from being
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Speaker 2: a coordinator to a head coach, it's, uh, there's no book,
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Speaker 2: it's really you know, until you're in that position. And
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Speaker 2: that's why you know so many first time head coaches
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Speaker 2: it's not easy, you know, and and a lot of
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Speaker 2: times when you go back and if you get into
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Speaker 2: second opportunity, you have more success because if you do
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Speaker 2: take that opportunity, and mine Detroit was was great. I
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Speaker 2: learned a lot, you know, great family, the fod families
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Speaker 2: that owned it. You know, it was a great franchise.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't my best version of my of of a coach.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's something I certainly I take responsibility for.
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Speaker 2: And you know, through the course of my years of coaching,
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Speaker 2: and like, not all of them are going to be perfect.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying as much as I can. But
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Speaker 2: that first year was really hard, you know, and I
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Speaker 2: was trying to learn a lot, and I didn't do
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Speaker 2: a good job. You know. I reflected a lot too.
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Speaker 2: I think one of the things that was really that
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Speaker 2: I kind of I watched that Michael Jordan, like documentary
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Speaker 2: you already see that, and something like triggered when I
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Speaker 2: watched and he was talking about, you know, his intensity
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Speaker 2: when they lost the championship, and how he told everybody
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Speaker 2: that was coming in the building the next year exactly
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Speaker 2: how it was going to be, like his focus. You know,
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Speaker 2: we had lost the Super Bowl that and we had
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Speaker 2: been you know, it was like super Bowl Championship, super
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Speaker 2: Bowl champ It was like every other year, and so
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Speaker 2: we had one in sixteen. We went back in seventeen
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Speaker 2: and we lost. And I think that that mindset when
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Speaker 2: you lose that game, like alls you want to do
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Speaker 2: is go you just want to go back, Like it's
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Speaker 2: just your level of where your intensity and urgency is
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Speaker 2: at such a high level. And I didn't do a
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Speaker 2: good job of walking into a new building where like
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Speaker 2: they didn't lose this, you know what I mean, that
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Speaker 2: wasn't that wasn't their fault. That was my fault. And
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Speaker 2: I never reset myself. I don't think well enough to like, hey,
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Speaker 2: I'm in someplace new, like these guys didn't have that
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Speaker 2: journey last year, Like I gotta start to teaching coach again,
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Speaker 2: I gotta start to build again. And I didn't do
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Speaker 2: a good enough job with that.
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Speaker 1: And finally, Matt Patricia has been teaching defense and coaching
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Speaker 1: defense in the NFL for twenty something years now, so
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Speaker 1: does he have to maybe dial things down a little bit,
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Speaker 1: simplify things a little bit as you move from the
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Speaker 1: NFL to college with some of its rules on exactly
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Speaker 1: how many hours you can be coaching and on the
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Speaker 1: field and practice and all that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 2: I think the beauty of the the of football and
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Speaker 2: definitely something I learned at New England was let's take
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Speaker 2: the extremely complex and let's try to boil it down
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Speaker 2: to maybe three to five things really simple, so we
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Speaker 2: can really detail that out as much as possible. I
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Speaker 2: think that's a really cool thing to do. I think
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Speaker 2: that in general, yes, we have lots of packages and
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Speaker 2: all that stuff, but I always felt going into a game,
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Speaker 2: my whole goal is like, I just want to make
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Speaker 2: sure they can go play fast and play aggressive. So
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Speaker 2: I don't want to have too much much where they
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Speaker 2: can't do that. I want them to be able to
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Speaker 2: go play. They play. You know, I'm not playing. They
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Speaker 2: play the game. So let them get on the field,
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Speaker 2: let them play fast, let them play agressive, and I
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Speaker 2: think that is a good balance of making sure you
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Speaker 2: have enough to you know, defend what you're gonna see,
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Speaker 2: but also you know that the players go play free
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Speaker 2: enough where they can be aggressive and have the tools
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Speaker 2: on the field they need.
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Speaker 1: If that makes sense, well, that'll do it for today.
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Speaker 1: But we will get our first look at Matt Patricia
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Speaker 1: out on the practice field as well as the rest
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Speaker 1: of the Buckeyes. Monday morning, we will have coverage from
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Speaker 1: the Woody Hayes Athletic Center. Tony Kevin and I will
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Speaker 1: be out there covering the start of twenty twenty five
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Speaker 1: Ohio State spring football. The national championship game not even
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Speaker 1: two months in the past, and here we are already
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Speaker 1: ready to roll out with a whole new season Ohio
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Speaker 1: State football. As the Buckey has tried to defend that
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Speaker 1: national championship. We'll have coverage four of it for you
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Speaker 1: all year long at bucke huddle dot com. That's where
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Speaker 1: Tony Kevin and I cover the team, Mark covers recruiting,
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Speaker 1: got our whole team of Vex's nose gurus there as well,
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Speaker 1: all to make us murder football fan. All at bucke
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Speaker 1: huddle dot com, we hope to see you there. That'll
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Speaker 1: do it for today. Thank you guys all for joining us,
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Speaker 1: have a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow