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Salt Mediation From March 24th, 2026 · The Radio From Hell Show - Best Of

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  Speaker 1: I'm going to sponsor it by this text we just
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  Speaker 1: got Okay. I met Wade Taylor once when I was
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  Speaker 1: dropping something off to my attorney. Wade was absolutely the
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  Speaker 1: most lovely person and even took a few minutes out
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  Speaker 1: of his busy day to chat with me. I really
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  Speaker 1: appreciated that chat as I was going through a difficult
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  Speaker 1: time and Wade made me feel seen and cared for.
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  Speaker 2: And look, he's here right now. So apparently this person
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  Speaker 2: was well, it's cheaper to keeper.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So apparently Wade was just sitting there and this
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  Speaker 3: person didn't decide.
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  Speaker 2: I think I'd rather have Wade for to be my attorney.
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  Speaker 3: I've got great partners too, so I can't do them all.
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  Speaker 2: Wade Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: We've known Wade for a long long time and has
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  Speaker 3: always handled divorces and family family law, state law, state planning,
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  Speaker 3: wills and all of that sort of thing. But recently
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  Speaker 3: you've decided to sort of branch out or to you
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  Speaker 3: configure things.
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  Speaker 2: Or yeah, I do both. I still do the litigation side.
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  Speaker 4: But after all these years of fighting with people, I
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  Speaker 4: realized that attorneys are part of the problem, and so
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  Speaker 4: we came up with a company called Salt.
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  Speaker 2: Mediation where we do mediation.
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  Speaker 4: And divorce cases, CASSI cases, but typically it's not represented
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  Speaker 4: by attorneys.
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  Speaker 3: Now, is divorce as popular as a result, as popular
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  Speaker 3: as it's ever been.
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  Speaker 2: It is still popular and it's not going away. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so it's uh.
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  Speaker 3: Now, when I got a divorce, I did it. We
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  Speaker 3: did it through a mediator. And that was a long
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  Speaker 3: time ago. Yeah, that was, and it was it was
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  Speaker 3: so long ago that I just vaguely remember it. I
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  Speaker 3: remember just sitting in an office with somebody and yeah
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  Speaker 3: and and they and with my soon to be ex wife,
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  Speaker 3: said okay, do you agree to this and you'll pay
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  Speaker 3: for this, and you'll pay for that and you and
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  Speaker 3: she gets this and you get that. And I went, yeah, yes,
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  Speaker 3: all sounds great to me. That's fine. And we signed
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  Speaker 3: the papers and that was in and it was cheaper,
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  Speaker 3: and it was cheap, and it was hassle free for
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  Speaker 3: the most part, I mean, still emotional.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, tell us, tell us why it's beneficial and why
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  Speaker 1: it's preferable.
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  Speaker 4: I think the biggest reason is you get to decide
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  Speaker 4: it without having attorneys have a vested interest at times
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  Speaker 4: in the litigation side of it. Obviously they're getting paid
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  Speaker 4: for it. And yes, they zealously represent and I will
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  Speaker 4: zealously represent someone if I'm doing that. But there's there
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  Speaker 4: can be a vested interest in fighting an issue, whereas
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  Speaker 4: with parties they get a talk one on one, they
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  Speaker 4: know their situation better. No matter what an attorney knows
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  Speaker 4: about you, they're not going to know it as well
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  Speaker 4: as you do.
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  Speaker 3: Now does mediation become more and more of a thing.
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  Speaker 3: So in Utah, mediation is actually mandatory if you're going
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  Speaker 3: to go to trial. So everybody require is required at
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  Speaker 3: least one time to go through mediation.
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  Speaker 4: In family law, you know, if you resolve it without mediation,
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  Speaker 4: that's fine, but if you're planning on going to trial,
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  Speaker 4: the court requires you to mediate at first.
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  Speaker 2: In the hopes that you won't go to trial.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, the idea behind it and it is been born
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  Speaker 4: out by the investor or.
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  Speaker 2: You know, everything is statistics.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the statistics is that most cases will resolve through
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  Speaker 4: mediation and not require.
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  Speaker 5: And stuff points out you don't even have to be
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  Speaker 5: in the same room with your strange spouse during a
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  Speaker 5: mediation session and that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of what we do now is zoom mediation.
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  Speaker 4: And whether there will do we've done them for people
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  Speaker 4: in another country where one person's here and the other
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  Speaker 4: person's in another country, will still do it and that
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  Speaker 4: allows for them to get it done without the worry
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  Speaker 4: of being in court.
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  Speaker 5: Right, here's a text question. How do I change the
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  Speaker 5: amount of my child support if I lose my job.
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  Speaker 4: There's two options on child support. One is you can
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  Speaker 4: go through ours. That's the Office of Recovery Services, that's
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  Speaker 4: the state agency. You have to be able to show
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  Speaker 4: though that it is a permanent loss of employment, not
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  Speaker 4: just a temporary three to six months, because the court
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  Speaker 4: is going to say six months is temporary.
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  Speaker 2: Go out find a job.
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  Speaker 4: But if it is a permanent change in your income
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  Speaker 4: when you get a new job, then go in either
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  Speaker 4: through the Office of Recovery Services or you can file
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  Speaker 4: yourself and or have an attorney file to do.
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  Speaker 6: That, because they'll say, those kids, whether you have a
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  Speaker 6: job or not, they need food and shelter and medicine,
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  Speaker 6: and their needs don't go on hold just because you
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  Speaker 6: lost your job.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the child support is the right of the child.
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  Speaker 4: So it's really hard to go in and say I
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  Speaker 4: don't have a job, because you're exactly right, they still
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  Speaker 4: got to eat.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're going to say, go find a job
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  Speaker 2: and figured it out. Got a call online one.
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  Speaker 5: They will have to do it quick because we're coming
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  Speaker 5: up on the break.
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  Speaker 2: Christy is here. Christy, what's your question?
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  Speaker 7: Hi, thanks for going to call. Hey. I am in
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  Speaker 7: the middle of a divorce and the petition has been
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  Speaker 7: filed but no response has been received and I am,
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  Speaker 7: to put it mildly, not happy with my representation. Can
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  Speaker 7: you change who your attorney is sort of mid petition?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of like dating if you don't like your
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  Speaker 4: part I guess kind of like marriage too.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't like your partner, you can change your partner.
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  Speaker 3: So you don't like your representation as an attorney, except
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  Speaker 3: you can't say to your partner you're fire.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. There's consequences there.
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  Speaker 4: But if you want a new representation, absolutely call whoever
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  Speaker 4: you want. You got to make sure you're comfortable with
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  Speaker 4: what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, sure, okay, all right, so much Wade Taylor divorce.
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  Speaker 5: Now let's see AsSalt Mediation was wonderful to work with,
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  Speaker 5: save me a lot of money.
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  Speaker 3: Murray was a great I got the impression from that question.
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  Speaker 3: For some reason that. If so, this person is saying,
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  Speaker 3: I get a certain amount of child tot now, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm starting.
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  Speaker 2: To make more and more money.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm saying yes, and both parties incomes impact child support.
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  Speaker 4: They look at both parties incomes and the amount of
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  Speaker 4: overnights and that's how we calculate child sport. So if
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  Speaker 4: the recipient starts to make a bunch of money, it
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  Speaker 4: could impact the child's port. But children are entitled to
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  Speaker 4: their portion of the support from each parent.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Uh, Let's see, my ex wife has not paid child
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  Speaker 5: support in two years, refuses to pay half of the
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  Speaker 5: children's costs. I have a judgment against her for debts
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  Speaker 5: and assets. What options do I have?
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  Speaker 4: Your best option is to go in on a motion
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  Speaker 4: to enforce for contempt. Once you go in, and I
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  Speaker 4: would suggest you hire an attorney if you're going to
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  Speaker 4: have to do this, go in, get a judgment on
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  Speaker 4: the child support, get a judgment on these other things,
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  Speaker 4: and then have the attorney collect on it. It just
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  Speaker 4: then becomes a collection issue. They can go garnish wages,
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  Speaker 4: they can go into bank accounts. But that's going to
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  Speaker 4: be your best option. I have a couple of questions
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  Speaker 4: about that.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, if this person is, you know, seeking
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  Speaker 3: this child supportment, I'm guessing they don't have a lot
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  Speaker 3: of money to hire an attorney. Do attorneys ever work
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  Speaker 3: on contingents in that kind of thing? In fact, a
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  Speaker 3: personal injury attorney. Yeah, in family law you cannot work
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  Speaker 3: on contingency. No, it's actually under the bees that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: They don't want you to say, hey, if you get
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  Speaker 3: this much of the house, then I get this.
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  Speaker 2: No, they can't do that. But there are different options.
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  Speaker 4: They can go down and talk to different attorneys that
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  Speaker 4: will help them fill out that motion.
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  Speaker 3: And handle it as a pro say litigant. So there
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  Speaker 3: are options and then do the other thing? Is I
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  Speaker 3: wonder so my mother never really got any child support
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  Speaker 3: when she divorced my dad all those years ago, never
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  Speaker 3: really got any child support and with some ridiculously small
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  Speaker 3: amount like one hundred bucks a month or something, never
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  Speaker 3: got And I would just want does anybody ever go
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  Speaker 3: to jail for not paying trials? You can the state
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  Speaker 3: if oors is involved in collection. It depends that there's
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  Speaker 3: there's set amounts that once you fall behind this much
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  Speaker 3: and they will pursue you. The biggest thing that the
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  Speaker 3: legislature passed that we found is most effective is taking
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  Speaker 3: their driver's license or taking taking their hunting license.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that is done.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 2: People will pay more than even the threat of jail.
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  Speaker 2: That's amazing. I just am shocked that people.
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  Speaker 1: It's one thing if you don't want to be married
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  Speaker 1: to this person anymore.
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  Speaker 6: The child's sport thing, this should not be an issue.
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  Speaker 2: Why don't you want to take the beause because I
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  Speaker 2: didn't like them either.
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  Speaker 1: Arguing about I really don't understand. And this is a
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  Speaker 1: lot of what you deal with.
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  Speaker 3: It's the idea that you're giving it to your ex
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  Speaker 3: and they think that, oh, well, you're not using the
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  Speaker 3: money for the kids.
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  Speaker 2: You have plenty of money, and that's what we see.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna take my new girlfriend to Las Vegas
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  Speaker 5: if I'm paying you child support.
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  Speaker 3: Besides, I didn't like them, damn kids anyway, Salt Mediation
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  Speaker 3: and so what happened. I'm just curious what happens when
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  Speaker 3: you call for a free consultation. You can go to
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  Speaker 3: asaltmediation dot com.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you go there, they'll set up the media
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  Speaker 4: or the consultant. We like to meet with both parties
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  Speaker 4: so that we can explain how we go through mediation.
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  Speaker 4: We will then set up a mediation date with you.
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  Speaker 4: Typically we'll resolve it in one or two visits, and
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  Speaker 4: then we'll actually do all the final paperwork for you.
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  Speaker 4: So that's the biggest thing is we're not just providing
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  Speaker 4: the mediation. A lot of mediators that's what they do,
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  Speaker 4: but we go from start to finish. We will get
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  Speaker 4: all the documents, we'll fill them out for you, file
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  Speaker 4: them with the court. So it's kind of like a
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  Speaker 4: one stop shop and can be done fairly quickly.
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  Speaker 5: Here's a tricky one. I want my kid's dad to
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  Speaker 5: get the new Utah alcohol restriction driver's license in order
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  Speaker 5: to have our daughter.
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  Speaker 2: Can this be done?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if the Driver's License Division will do
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  Speaker 4: that without an actual criminal charge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if they'll they'll do that at all.
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  Speaker 4: I understand the request, but I don't know that the
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  Speaker 4: Driver's Licensed Division will cooperate with you as they're not
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  Speaker 4: a party to the case.
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  Speaker 5: How do you open up a case again to change
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  Speaker 5: child visitation.
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  Speaker 4: Schedule called the petition to modify, you have to show
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  Speaker 4: that there's been a change in circumstances. But it's very
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  Speaker 4: similar to your initial divorce, except that it's just focused
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  Speaker 4: on that one issue. You go in and file it,
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  Speaker 4: have him served, and go through the same process.
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  Speaker 5: All right, let's see there are currently no temporary orders,
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  Speaker 5: but we have been following lapsed temporary orders and my
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  Speaker 5: ex hasn't lived in the home since June. Can he
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  Speaker 5: now change the lot? Can he now change the locks
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  Speaker 5: to my home? Or can I stop him from doing that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you're going to probably need to go in and
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  Speaker 3: get some renewed temporary orders.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you have, if you're on the home, they're.
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  Speaker 4: Not supposed to lock you out. So I would say
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  Speaker 4: do something. I understand what you're saying. With lapse temporary orders,
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  Speaker 4: that means your decree must have or your case must
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  Speaker 4: have been dismissed. Otherwise, temporary orders don't lapse. So if
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  Speaker 4: it has been dismissed, then file something. Otherwise you're both
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  Speaker 4: both owners now home. I like that this question. Do
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  Speaker 4: you ever mediate between parents who have never officially married?
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  Speaker 4: We do, We do, and we do that with a
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  Speaker 4: lot of com Either it's going to be under common
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  Speaker 4: law marriage and divorce or just a custody case. In Utah,
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  Speaker 4: the legislature has yet to pass laws that allow custody
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  Speaker 4: cases to handle property division because they don't seem to
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  Speaker 4: think that you're going to have kids and not get
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  Speaker 4: married and own property together. So it's a little bit
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  Speaker 4: difficult because a lot of times we'll just reach an
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  Speaker 4: agreement between them, but there is no statue that specifically
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  Speaker 4: governs that. But we will just mediate those same time
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  Speaker 4: and take the same approach to it.
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  Speaker 2: Does I guess both parties have to agree to mediation? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Mediation is a voluntary process. You can't I'm mediating this,
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  Speaker 2: you go ahead and go to trial.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a question, Yeah, say I want to get a
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  Speaker 1: mediation divorce.
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  Speaker 2: Can I call you and say, will you.
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  Speaker 1: Call my ex and ask him if he'll do this?
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  Speaker 2: Or do we have to agree to it beforehand.
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  Speaker 3: We typically will require you, guys, to reach out to
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  Speaker 3: your own partner. We have tried that in the past,
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  Speaker 3: and they often just tend to ignore us, and so
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  Speaker 3: we say, you know, have this conversation. At least have
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  Speaker 3: them come and listen to the initial consultation. Once they
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  Speaker 3: hear that initial consultation, if they decide they want to
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  Speaker 3: go towards an attorney, because now they understand the process.
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  Speaker 3: But we found that that's not very effective for us
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  Speaker 3: to reach out to.
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  Speaker 2: The can you tell tell people or give them a
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  Speaker 2: rough idea? Really?
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  Speaker 3: How much more just in terms of practical money saving,
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  Speaker 3: is a mediation as opposed to a hiring lawyers?
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  Speaker 2: You bet, A typical.
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  Speaker 4: Mediated divorce if we do from start to finish, costs
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  Speaker 4: right around three twenty five hundred dollars if I litigate
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  Speaker 4: a case, my typical and this is not.
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  Speaker 2: What the trial is about ten thousand.
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  Speaker 4: If I go to trial, I tell clients every day
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  Speaker 4: in trial is about ten to fifteen thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a reason to make it happen mediation wise, and.
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  Speaker 4: That's the biggest reason is because the majority of things
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  Speaker 4: can be resolved without a trial, but when you go
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  Speaker 4: to trial, it is significantly more expensive. And it's not
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  Speaker 4: just because of the one day. It is you're spending
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  Speaker 4: four or five six days prepping for one day in
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  Speaker 4: court by working with witnesses and exhibits. So it is
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  Speaker 4: a large savings and the time savings is the big thing.
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  Speaker 2: Salt Mediationgroup dot.
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  Speaker 5: Com and you know, again we're out of time and
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  Speaker 5: all of the good questions are starting to roll in
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  Speaker 5: and we don't have time.
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  Speaker 1: Well we'll have way back, Yeah, we will, or just
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  Speaker 1: call a text or go to Salt Media