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Murder In Moscow: Bryan Kohberger And The BTK Killer · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. It
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  Speaker 1: should come as no surprise to anybody out there paying
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  Speaker 1: attention that this sick degenerate, BTK, would share sympathy for
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger and the situation that Koberger finds himself in.
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  Speaker 1: What do they say, birds of a feather and all?
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  Speaker 1: Fellow travelers? BTK obviously sees a little bit of himself
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  Speaker 1: in Brian Koberger, so he has reached out and shared
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  Speaker 1: his sympathies about the situation that Koberger finds himself in.
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  Speaker 1: And today we have an article from The Independent discussing this.
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  Speaker 1: So let's just dive right in, and let's see what
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  Speaker 1: Andrea Blanco and Bevan Hurley have come up with. BTK
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  Speaker 1: killer Dennis Rader shares sympathy for Idaho murder suspect Brian Koberger.
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  Speaker 1: What's next, a nod of support from Gary Ridgway? Serial
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  Speaker 1: killer Dennis Rader has expressed sympathy for Brian Kohlberger as
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  Speaker 1: he awaits his trial in the Idaho murders. Rader, who
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  Speaker 1: gave himself the title of the BTK killer because he
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  Speaker 1: bound and tortured his victims before killing them, is serving
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  Speaker 1: 10 consecutive life sentences in a maximum security prison in
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  Speaker 1: Kansas after he confessed in 2005 to killing 10 people
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  Speaker 1: over a span of three decades. And the first murders
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  Speaker 1: that he committed, known murders anyway, Was the Otero family.
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  Speaker 1: And there certainly were some similarities. Between Brian Koberger. Allegedly
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  Speaker 1: killing the four college students in their home. And Dennis
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  Speaker 1: Rader's first trip around the sun. Killing the Otero family.
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  Speaker 1: Four people home at the time. A male home at
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  Speaker 1: the time. A dog there. So there were a lot
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  Speaker 1: of similarities. Now do I think that they're related. In
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  Speaker 1: any way. I do not. Like I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: Koberger was ever in contact with BTK. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he was talking to him before the murders. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think he was talking to him after the murders. But
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  Speaker 1: I do know that he is keenly aware of who
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  Speaker 1: BTK is and what BTK was up to. Not only
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  Speaker 1: was Brian Kohlberger studying to get his criminology degree, the
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  Speaker 1: guy was an avid fan of true crime. And you
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  Speaker 1: can't be an avid fan of true crime and this
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  Speaker 1: sort of true crime anyway without knowing who the BTK is.
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  Speaker 1: So he certainly knew who BTK was. And then you
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  Speaker 1: add to all of that the fact he studied under
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  Speaker 1: Catherine Ramsland, the same lady that wrote a book with BTK.
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  Speaker 1: So there's no doubt in my mind that Koberger had
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  Speaker 1: a very good grasp on all of BTK's murders and
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  Speaker 1: the way he went about it. In an interview with
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  Speaker 1: Fox News Digital on Wednesday, Rader said he understands how Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Koberger must feel while in solitary confinement at Latah County Jail.
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  Speaker 1: ahead of his preliminary hearing on June 26th. Since I
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  Speaker 1: spent from February 2005 to April 2005 in a cell
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  Speaker 1: by myself, I know how he feels. Very lonely, Rader
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  Speaker 1: told the outlet, adding that his situation improved when he
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  Speaker 1: was allowed to receive mail. Well, if you're lonely, maybe
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  Speaker 1: we could put one of the family members of the
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  Speaker 1: people you killed in that cell with you for a
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  Speaker 1: good 25 or 30 minutes and see how lonely you
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  Speaker 1: are then. I got your lonely right here, you stoonod.
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  Speaker 1: And soon, letters started to come in. I read a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Bible and wrote poetry. You know, all these guys,
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. Oh, I found God. Oh, I found God. Oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: I repented and I found God. That's all great, but
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  Speaker 1: that's not going to bring back the people that you
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  Speaker 1: violently murdered. That's not going to give their families any
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  Speaker 1: comfort or any closure. So the whole I found God
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  Speaker 1: thing always makes me laugh. Rader's name was first linked
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  Speaker 1: to the Idaho case last month after it emerged that Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Koberger had been a student in a criminology class taught
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  Speaker 1: by Dr. Catherine Ramsland, the leading academic authority on the
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  Speaker 1: BTK killings. And she wrote that book with BTK. We
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  Speaker 1: did that whole article on BTK and his work with Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Catherine Ramsland. And it's quite the coincidence, no? that she
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  Speaker 1: is such a authority on BTK, and then she has
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  Speaker 1: a student like Brian Koberger? Quite the coincidence. Mr. Koberger
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  Speaker 1: had just finished his first semester as a criminology Ph.D.
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  Speaker 1: student at Washington State University when he was charged with
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  Speaker 1: the stabbings of Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and
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  Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin on November 13th. Last month, Raider's Daughter, Carrie Rawson,
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  Speaker 1: told The Independent that she had sensed her father in
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  Speaker 1: the Idaho murders. Look, there is no doubt about that.
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  Speaker 1: When you look at what happened, it had all the
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  Speaker 1: hallmarks of a BTK kind of murder. Maybe not the bind, torture,
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  Speaker 1: and kill part, but the fact that it was so brazen.
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  Speaker 1: Four people being murdered like this? With a knife? Very
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  Speaker 1: rare do you see that as the MO for somebody.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously, as we've learned more, it certainly seems like
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  Speaker 1: All four weren't the target. Seems like Kaylee and Madison
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  Speaker 1: or one or the other were the target. And then
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  Speaker 1: he stumbled upon Zanna, who just unfortunately happened to be
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  Speaker 1: awake at the time. If she wasn't awake and he
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  Speaker 1: didn't stumble into her, my guess is he would have
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  Speaker 1: just kept going, meaning he would have killed Kaylee and
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  Speaker 1: Madison and then got out of Dodge. Now, obviously, that's
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  Speaker 1: just my opinion and the way I'm breaking it all
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  Speaker 1: down from the facts that we have available to us.
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  Speaker 1: But the more I look at it and the more
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  Speaker 1: information we get, the more it seems like Ethan and
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  Speaker 1: Zanna were both collateral damage. She later learned that Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger had gained a master's degree in criminology in 2022
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  Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania's DeSalas University, where he was taught by Dr. Ramsland. Dr. Ramsland,
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  Speaker 1: a world-renowned expert on serial and mass killers, wrote the
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  Speaker 1: 2016 book Confession of a Serial Killer. the untold story
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  Speaker 1: of Dennis Rader, the BTK killer, in 2016, drawing on
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of hours of interviews and phone conversations with the
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  Speaker 1: serial killer to delve deep into his psyche. Ms. Rawson
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  Speaker 1: said she refused to participate in the book, which documented
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  Speaker 1: in explicit detail Rader's 10 murders in Wichita and Park City, Kansas,
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  Speaker 1: between 1974 and 1991, through crime scene reports, jailhouse visits,
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  Speaker 1: telephone calls, And written correspondence. I don't know how you
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  Speaker 1: could sit in a room with this guy. Just looking
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  Speaker 1: at Dennis Rader. And his dumb ass face. And knowing
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  Speaker 1: what he did to all of those people. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I'd be able to control myself. From engaging
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  Speaker 1: in the power slap competition. Because if anyone's ever needed
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  Speaker 1: their face slapped. It's BTK. I ended up actually back
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  Speaker 1: in trauma therapy while reading that book. I was still
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  Speaker 1: mad at my father. I threw the thing across the room.
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  Speaker 1: Miss Rawson, who hasn't even, who wasn't even alive when
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  Speaker 1: her father committed his first seven murders between 1974 and 1977,
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  Speaker 1: told the Independent in January. Imagine if your father was
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  Speaker 1: a serial killer. You have this image of your dad being,
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  Speaker 1: you know, your dad, a hero, an untoppable hero. Then,
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  Speaker 1: Raider had been a respected president of his local church
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  Speaker 1: and a Cub Scout leader who secretly carried out a
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  Speaker 1: series of sadistic murders while bragging about his crimes to
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  Speaker 1: the media. He came up with the Bind, Torture, Kill
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  Speaker 1: moniker in letters to Kansan Media. You can't name yourself, bro.
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  Speaker 1: There's rules against that. That's like wearing the band t-shirt
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  Speaker 1: of the band you're going to see to the show.
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  Speaker 1: There are certain rules that have to be followed. You
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  Speaker 1: can't make up your own nickname. Ms. Rawson said her
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  Speaker 1: father earned a degree in criminal justice at the same
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  Speaker 1: time he was committing murders in the 1970s. According to
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  Speaker 1: the Wichita Eagle, he has also a peace and compliance
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  Speaker 1: supervisor in Park City. So BTK was hiding in plain sight.
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  Speaker 1: He was your average neighbor, guy working for the Cub Scouts,
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  Speaker 1: working for his criminology degree. You know, the kind of
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  Speaker 1: guy you wake up, see him out in the front yard,
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  Speaker 1: you wave to him on your way to work. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: this dude's dressing up in women's clothing, making pretend he's
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  Speaker 1: the victims that he's already killed, putting out their IDs
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  Speaker 1: and having a whole recreation of his murder. And this
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  Speaker 1: is the guy that you're living next door to. Rader
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  Speaker 1: did not have a trial, instead confessing to his crimes
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  Speaker 1: after his arrest. Mr. Koberger, on the other hand, has
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  Speaker 1: said through his former public defendant that he is eager
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  Speaker 1: to be exonerated. The affidavit for his arrest gave new
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  Speaker 1: details about what led investigators to the suspect, but still
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  Speaker 1: offered no connection between the victims and Mr. Kohlberger. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we know that those connections are being made as we speak.
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  Speaker 1: And all of the digital connections that they had in
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  Speaker 1: this day and age, those are connections. When you're looking
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  Speaker 1: at somebody's social media, the way that you can monitor
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  Speaker 1: somebody these days, you might as well be looking in
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  Speaker 1: the window of their bedroom. The documents did reveal that
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  Speaker 1: investigators believe that Mr. Koberger may have stalked the student
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  Speaker 1: home in the run-up to the mass murder, which cell
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  Speaker 1: phone data placing him around the property 12 times before
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  Speaker 1: the 13th of November. Police said that his DNA was
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  Speaker 1: found on a knife sheath left behind at the scene
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  Speaker 1: by the killer and his white Hyundai Elantra was caught
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  Speaker 1: on surveillance footage at the crime scene at the time
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  Speaker 1: of the murders, the affidavit reveals. Police in Washington said
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  Speaker 1: also unsealed search warrants for Mr. Kohlberger's apartment in Pullman
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  Speaker 1: and his office at Washington State University. The searches were
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  Speaker 1: carried out on the same day that he was taken
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  Speaker 1: into police custody in Pennsylvania. The unsealed documents reveal that
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  Speaker 1: investigators seized a string of items from his home, including
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  Speaker 1: possible human and animal strands, a disposable glove, items with
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  Speaker 1: red and brown stains, and a computer. No items were
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  Speaker 1: seized from his office, which he shared with other PhD students.
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  Speaker 1: He faces life in prison or the death penalty for
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  Speaker 1: the murders that have rocked the small college town of
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  Speaker 1: Moscow and hit headlines around the globe. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. All of
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