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Lou Diamond Phillips on Gangland’s Indigenous Stories, Why Young Guns 3 Isn’t Greenlit, and The Chair Company Season 2 Getting Even Crazier · Kyle Meredith With...

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  [SPEAKER_02]: That's me, Kyle Manit today, catching up with iconic actor, Lou Diamond Phillips, LeBomba.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Young guns, one and two, stand and deliver, Longmire, the big hits, the chair company.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He's also back in a brand new movie called Gangland that we get to get into, where he plays Teddy Sharp, a cop with the Thunderstone Tribal Police Department, who has dedicated himself to protecting the troubled reserve.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Torment to buy a mysterious shame that is isolated him from the community he's tasked with teaching his new partner how policing is different on the res.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, recently released from prison and now on the run for a series of brutal ganglain murders, Richie Blacklands returns to Thunderstone to Lalo, Settle old feuds and take his 15-year-old nephew Albert Under his wing.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: on to Richie's chaotic trail and the violence he leaves in his wake, Teddy is forced to face his past and hopes of finally finding redemption and ending a perpetual cycle of violence plaguing the community.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what we're going to get into.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a heavy movie, but we are going to talk about playing a morally complicated tribal police officer, shooting on on Cheyenne and a rapper who land in just 18 days, the home movie was done in less than 20 days.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: and how indigenous communities have embraced the movie as a starting point for conversations about violence and healing and lose also going to discuss the possibility of revisiting his cult film the first power, his unexpected history as a rock singer, why the second season of the chair company as he says crazier than ever and why young guns three hasn't been green let yet, even though the script is done and apparently is incredible.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get into it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's all that and a whole lot more as we talk about gangland.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's Kyle Meredith with Lou Diamond Phillips.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: hello hello call how are you i i will say before we get too deep into it um i was just uh i was i was doing a little down the uh down the rabbit hole and uh what's all the um farm aid performance of the uh the pipe fitters so which i didn't know i didn't know you know i don't just just play a rock star uh i occasionally am one do you still do you still play
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Mr.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Perform?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I mean, yes and no.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Mostly no.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still very, very good friends with all of those guys.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I literally saw Sherman and Bill about a month ago.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I was doing a casino tour for the Navajo Nation and the guys have a little trio called
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  [SPEAKER_01]: uh... got what's the name of their group uh... but that they opened they open today they played the reception before before i started uh... calboy sweetheart uh... is uh... is the name of their group uh... and it's and it's really lovely uh... i still occasionally seeing uh... i sang in the first season of uh... the chair company uh... i think i might be singing again a little bit in the second season uh...
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  [SPEAKER_01]: saying on the ranch, saying for a couple of Disney animated projects, so, you know, I pop up occasionally, and most recently I did a lovely concert version of my third lady for the Irish rep here in New York, and there were a number of us who played
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Henry Higgins and you know had had like a scene in a song, so you know that was fun Yeah, I never claimed to be a rock store or you know even in musician because I have I have friends who are real rock stars and Friends who are real like Tony award-winning Broadway singers, so I don't put myself in that same category
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, half of being a rock star is acting like a rock star.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, getting people to believe it and judging for that one video, I'm not, I'm not blowing it your way.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's, I believe that like you, you know how to run that stage, man.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That was, uh, I got a little wrist that got a little swagger.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, man, let's, let's, let's, the, the whole opposite side of that with, with gangland, uh, what a powerful movie.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: What an extremely powerful movie that you've put out here.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and let's hear the story about this because we had these, you know, it's a story about these native communities that that that you're policing is sort of an outsider who knows every looking cranny of the plays.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: How did this, uh, how did this arrive to you?
• 6:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got a great email from a dear friend Megan Griffiths who wrote and directed the nightstalker where I played Richard Ramirez yet another light and fluffy project and she had a good friend that she knew from the festival circuit very
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  [SPEAKER_01]: very awarded very well regarded director Vincent Grasshaw and she said you know Vincent has this script and your his first choice.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So obviously automatically I know the guy's a genius, you know.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I am predisposed to like the script because Megan has an inordinate amount of taste and intelligence.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I get the script in nice letter from Vincent.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm hooked.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm hooked by probably page five and it just keeps getting better.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I have to have the great
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  [SPEAKER_01]: great honor of representing, you know, indigenous communities, you know, throughout my career from young guns through long buyer, you know, and.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: always happy to come at it, you know, from a place of respect and a place of real compassion and one of the beauties of the scripts is that it's so honest and so authentic.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was written by Zach Montague, who was a travel cop in Canada.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Nose, you know, knows the territory, knows the, uh, knows the drill there.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it wreaked a authenticity to me.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Vincent and I had a wonderful conversation.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They offered me an executive producer ship, which meant I got to have something to put on the creative side of things, you know, thankfully.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the first things that I did was uh, uh, recommend my friend Mark this Red Thunder.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: be brought on to the project.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He had been my technical advisor on Longmire for about six years.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, just an incredible eye for marrying authenticity to what, you know, the needs of cinema art.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And Marcus made some incredible suggestions, came aboard his architectural advisor, you know, also got an executive producer credit.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He's, he's the man in the beginning who is
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, had an amazing impact on how we approached this story.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And as you said, I mean, this, you know, it's been compared to Traini Day with Denzel and Nathan Hawke and Colors with Shantan and Robert DeVault.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that it is set on a reservation, you know, brings with it its own set of really fascinating and compelling,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: dynamics and realities.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that Marcus did for us was to say, let's set it on a fictional, you know, reservation, thunderstone.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And let's not name the tribe.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Because this problem is universal.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's ubiquitous across nations, whether it's Canada or the United States, whether it's South Dakota, Oklahoma, Georgia, whatever.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The phenomenon of gang life of young men being lured into that as a wave of empowerment is a way of trying to find their own voice or forcefully take their seat at the table.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This goes across cultures.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It could be the South Side of Chicago, it could be East LA, it could be Seattle, it could be Miami.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And, and so once again, you know, like with La Vamba or stand in deliver for me, I'm telling a very niche story that has universal application, and that's why I was, you know, I was really, really intrigued and compelled and just knew I had to make this film, you know, from the beginning.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back, it's Kyle Meredith with Lou Diamond Phillips.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's such an interesting character, especially with the way, you kind of plays with the audience a little bit.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Because in those first couple scenes, you're wondering, what kind of guy is this?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, is he a hero?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Is he a bad guy?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And what I'm guessing a joy it is to play such a complicated character in this, because we do, as we find out, even while
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  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, half of the community is pushing him away.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: He's still looking out for every single one of them.
• 10:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
• 10:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's, uh, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a real joy, a real joy at this point in my life to continue to, to get roles like this that are, are challenging, they're fun, they're complicated, they, they force me to learn, they force me to keep my mind and my heart open.
• 11:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I have to say, you know, I know this guy, you know, I grew up in the military, you know, in a military family, my dad did two tours in, in, I've played so many different cops and done all the ride arounds, you know, so I mean his, his whole, and his swagger is definitely my dad's, you know, like, my dad can spin a yarn man, and, you know, he started
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I took a little bit of that flavor, you know, for Teddy's not only his demeanor, but, you know, his accent.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, the other thing that I want to say is that this is,
• 11:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of a neo-Western, you know, and it's certainly a neo-Nor.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things that I love that I've said before about neo-Westerns is, you know, what they used to shoot him in black and white, literally, you know, and it was the black and white hat.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And this presents you not with that,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: definitive of the good guy bad guy, you know, Vincent Grasch all likes to say, you know, Ted, he's 80% right and 20% wrong.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas the life should press character, you know, is 20% you know, you know, writing 80% wrong.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But even though he's the villain as it were in the piece, the guy's got a point of view.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got some very valid perspectives.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And, and, um,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: that's what I love about this movie, it's it's not easy, you know, and every single character, Donna Namrow's, you know, recruit, then also different than, you know, colors are dead, you know, training day.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: the new recruit is a female, which brings an entirely different dynamic to the mix.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But all of these characters are so well drawn.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Down to the smallest character, you really, you get a sense of who they are, they're three-dimensional, they're real, they're authentic.
• 12:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was a joy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It was a joy to see everyone, everyone step up to the plate and knock it out of the park.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: uh, a number of the indigenous young actors, man.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This was their, this was their biggest roles to date.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And some of them, their first time ever delivering dialogue.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I could not be more proud of them.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so you guys shot this, sort of, on location, right?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, and one of the reservations, is it?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we shot, we shot outside of Oklahoma City in January.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, you know what?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Talk about truth and advertising.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The wind really does come sweeping down the plane.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I can cold as all it get out bro.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And we, you know, and we, uh, we shot on Cheyenne or apoholand, uh, once again, just so, uh, incredibly grateful to the native community for embracing us for, for letting us in and welcoming us, uh, and as a result, during one of the, uh, location scouts, you know, they literally said to Vincent, uh, hey, you want to see our, you know, our buffalo herd?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He's up for, yeah, you know, and, and then, you know, 600 at a bison comes,
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And what a beautiful scene that it's so beautifully shot.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, what's amazing, and once again, by the way, just, you know, speaking of how this film was made, it was shot in 18 days.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: My part of it was 15 days.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That particular scene, you know, uh, uh, Vincent stumbled on that herd, uh, uh, like in the last week of prep.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And immediately calls me and say, can you come out a couple of days early?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Because the schedule was so tight.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: There was no room to get out to that location and film it on any one of the filming days already scheduled.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So Vincent, Tommy Schultz, who's wonderful in the film, was wonderful in Killis of the Flower Moon.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, me and him, the Marcus Red Thunder, was there, Brandon Whitella, our cinematographer, and Vincent.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't even have a sound crew with us.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, they literally gave him the Nodra and and a couple of mics since that he put him in the cab at the truck, you know, and and did it all the day where they were they were feeding feeding the bison anyway, you know, and and Jack Montague and Vincent and I don't want to say through the scene together because the scene is so rich and so deep.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: and it is truly a turning point for Teddy's character, but once again, I mean, you know, Vincent is just that kind of filmmaker.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's got such a plan.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He really has everything plotted out, and yet he has the wherewithal to take input from other people.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I know Irene Bedard Kim Guerrero had great things to say about their characters that Vincent,
• 15:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: work to do the script, but to keep his eyes open and to see an opportunity like this and then just roll with it, you know.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I mean, he is a filmmaker to be reckoned with and I really hope this gets in bigger opportunities.
• 15:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's it.
• 15:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you're a filmmaker yourself.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, those opportunities, you know, not just, I just write a director, but you, you have been part of all the cogs of the machine.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm sure that you recognize those moments in real time the same way of someone says, oh, we got to get this now.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, you know, this is a smaller movie as you're saying, you know, 18 days, but I'm sure there is a lot of running gun that goes and is a part of that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm guessing.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, 100% and it's, you know, and, and, and,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: In this instance, the location plates such a part in the film, it informs all of the actors.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It just puts you in that place where you don't have to act.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You just have to be.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Which is what we all strive for.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And in addition to the licensing, some of those foggy mornings where we shot the drive buys and things like that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, a production value that you, that you, you know, take your millions to recreate, you know, but it's like, oh, what is writing?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's shoot, you know, or it's foggy, who gives a shit, let's do it, you know, and rolling with a punches and just just being, you know, open it up to to integrate that into what you're doing because it's, it's happening in real time.
• 17:13
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's Kyle Meredith with Lou Diamond Phillips.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, then working as you were saying in conjunction with these tribes and being on location like that.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So once they see the film, like what's the reaction?
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It has it, my gosh, man.
• 17:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: We premiered at the Dallas International Film Festival.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We played Oklahoma at a film festival there.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It ran for a while.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We are the closing night film in the so-called International Film Festival here in New York.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: on the 12th.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The red nations film festival in Los Angeles is giving me a lovely awarding and screening the film.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I believe we're also in the first people's festival in January in Colorado.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The response has been uniform.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And, and
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  [SPEAKER_01]: glowing from the community itself and that means the world to me because you know we are representing and it's I said all the time it's a tough film but it's an honest film and Marcus literally just screened it about a week ago at the Wind River Reservation as part of a
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: wellness consortium.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was great.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Michael was there, Michael Tubby, who blew plays Luke and James White Cloud.
• 18:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the film has been a stepping off place for the conversation about breaking the cycle.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's something the Teddy talks about in the movie.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, breaking the cycle of abuse, breaking the cycle of of of gang violence.
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, the racism.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just just, you know, and drug use and alcoholism and all of those terrible terrible things that that, you know, afflict so many reservations.
• 19:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's about healing.
• 19:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's you know, I mean, they're a characters like Teddy, they're a characters like Irene Bedard who holds that community together.
• 19:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, and the whole message for lack of the better word of, you know, Teddy trying to groom this young woman, you know, to take the torch from him, to police with compassion, to police with an attitude that treats the people she's protecting as human beings, as individuals and not statistics.
• 19:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I think that that is something that every native community and every tribe who has seen the movie has really embraced and taken it as as a as a tipping point where it's like, you know, okay, we can talk about this.
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: We can be we can deal with this honestly and continue to try to fight a path forward.
• 20:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that really is one of the strongest messages out of it is, you know, yeah.
• 20:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: You look around today in the complicated relationships that, you know, most of the country have with a police and, you know, and everything in the news.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the thing is like when you're pushing, you know, a tiny film, up like this.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's not, you know, when you've got a big, big picture right like it hits the theater and your job is done.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: But as you're saying, your job is sort of like a year after the shooting's already done, like because of this conversation, because to get the, you know, the rock at the mountain.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't, I can't think you enough, you know, Kyle, I can't think, you know, people like you who allow us to talk about it.
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I've said it before, it's kind of a joke.
• 20:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like, you know, this is, this is the farmer's market of film, man, and I'm bringing my 95% rotten tomatoes to you to show, you know, I, you know, this is artisanal.
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we are, you know, with handcrafted and we are handcarrying it, you know, to all of these festivals and continuing to talk about it, you know, I mean we what we premiered.
• 21:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, was it June and then and actually had a theatrical run in July and yet, you know, this thing has legs and is continuing to show it's still streaming on Amazon 10 day ago in crime and for anybody, you know, watching this who's in the academy It is on the Academy screening room currently and will be on for the rest of the year, you know, and we've got, you know, we're going to be having some other FYC screenings and stuff like that throughout.
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it literally, uh,
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's up to the soldiers, it's up to us as individuals to get this out.
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you can see that it's well worth it and it's well worth my time because we don't have the machine.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have that massive studio machine with all their massive studio dollars behind it.
• 21:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is an Odyssey of our own.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, but, you know, proud to do it and proud to, you know, proud to deliver it to people, you know, one viewer at a time.
• 22:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 22:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, when the work is meaningful, especially as something like this and the message is so strong.
• 22:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: And just the way people, and, you know, to throw back to you, the way people react to you on screen.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you are an icon for a reason.
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I was even, um, when I was looking around and everything, I saw you, you would, uh, you would, um,
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... like retweeted to someone with it was because they look back at these characters right that you've done in the past and someone was say in the first power like that's what i need a sequel for like we hear about the young guns you know and all that stuff and i think that's still even the works but but when they're put pull out those other one said i want more of that's i want more of that from you i mean and it's true i mean there's you know it's interesting in today's market place
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, some of the legacy sequels, I mean, they, they have built an audiences.
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I honestly, I don't understand why guns three isn't already a green light.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, Emilio, I saw him the what three weeks ago at the Dallas fan Expo all right reunion picture, by the way.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Unbelievable all six of us in under one roof for the first time 38 years.
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I've read this script and it's unbelievable, but every single one of these fan conventions
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I got the middle-aged guy bring in their teenage son.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've got just showed him young guns man, you know, I mean, there's a fan base out there that that I honestly believe some of these studio executives exist in a bubble.
• 23:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: They just they just look at the data and they don't they don't understand the real life ramifications of some of these and then you take something, you know, like first power, which, you know, did okay, you know, I mean certainly made his money back and all that other good stuff, but has become a cult classic since then.
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: and has, you know, fans like Jordan Peel, you know, people who dig it, I mean, and when you look back at it, now you realize it was, it was a little ahead of the curve, you know, and it would not be difficult to imagine, you know, a scenario or a plot where once again, you know, I revisit Russell Logan at my age and,
• 24:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's he's been being a bit and you know, has has, you know, some mileage on him and and that, you know, there, there is more going on in the world now that that horrifies us and there was even then, you know, and there's there's a, you know, I think a clever screenwriter could certainly find a way to make it an even scarier movie right well.
• 24:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot in itself right there, but it's just such an interesting relationship.
• 24:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you do this work.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: You do work, right?
• 24:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: You go to work, you create this character, and all the stuff that goes into it, and then it goes off and has a life of its own, and people attach these relationships.
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, and they see something quite different than what you saw the day that you were there, you know, and I'm not saying anything new or anything, but just when you had the luxury of a career as you had, you know, this, this incredible career to have those moments and, you know, to be that for people, you know, whatever that is.
• 24:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I guess it must be a little surreal, I guess, is what I'm getting to.
• 24:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it is surreal, and it's, you know, the fan
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm very grateful for it and that is that interaction with the fans who go I watched you know love on but with my grandmother, you know I might my family, you know, uh watch is long mire together, you know what I mean?
• 25:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean these moments mean something to people, you know and and the other thing is
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's so gratifying to know that a character I created shoves or angelist and deliver a rich year, whomever, you know, strangely enough, rustle-logan, you know, or Cisco in the big hit, that these characters have stood the test of time, and people are still intrigued by them and are tamed by them, enjoy them today, you know, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,
• 25:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: It goes back to to be honest man, you know, and not not trying to make a movie for the moment trying to make a movie for the ages
• 25:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and some of them, you know, when I go back to live on them and stand in the liver, and the bomb's about to be 40 years old, you know, and by the way, that, yeah, how are you?
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: American Patuco, the legend of Luis Valdez, just aired on PBS, and I think we'll run, you know, for quite a while now, and you know, it shows you the care, it shows you the, the,
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh... dramaturgie that that the list of all this put into making that movie after you know being a farmer after creating the teatro papasino after creating zoo uh... you know he wanted something that that made a statement and what's what's interesting is that you know movies like love and stand deliver ours relevant today as they were then
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: 100% now.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm very proud of the fact that those characters have stood the test of time and still speak to people.
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: They still touch people.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that is always been my criteria.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when it comes to am I am am I going to do something that matters.
• 26:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, not that every film has to have social impact, like, you know, like gangland, but, you know, at the very least, I wanted to touch people.
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I wanted to be memorable and not just throw away, you know?
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Memorable.
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I was thinking of the chair company and everything because, you know, you get the other stuff and everything.
• 27:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: But that's still, like, that's not, that's not sliding that at all.
• 27:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's putting it in the same category.
• 27:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what a memorable, you know, series that
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And bro, it's crazier than ever.
• 27:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I am so thrilled.
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm you'll talk about how much I love their role in game than I look at something like
• 27:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: The chair company, I go, who thought I'd be for this?
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm because, you know, when I look at the character's description of, oh, well, James Fader, this is James Fader, you know?
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're junk use after somebody, and somebody thought of me, and I'm so, so thrilled that they did because once again, not only is a comedy, which I will, I will almost say, yes, to sit on seed.
• 27:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's comedy, okay, what I don't need to see the script, whatever I'll show up.
• 27:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, but to get you do something different and unique because Tim is there's nobody like him.
• 28:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I love that and there's nothing like the chair company.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So once again, love it or hate it, you know, or don't get it, it's still something that's trying to be its own thing.
• 28:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: This day of homogenization, I, I, I so appreciate that.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I, I, I, I got a mini series coming out, called Cal My Lies, which Jamie Woodley and Lindsay Lohan, kidding me, Tint Catherine on an Assa.
• 28:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I get to be a love interest.
• 28:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm so excited about that.
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm so excited about that.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm so excited to get these different roles.
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Cher, I got to be so fun.
• 28:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I, and I will say, I remember this, too, because when, when you popped up on screen, I don't know that I knew that you were in, it was like,
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: what's you know it's it's it is one of those moments like you end up on screen we end up happy it's you know it's we love what you do man and and especially when you've got a role like this in in ganglands seriously i'm i'm so happy that this came across my desk and i got to see this and that you guys are out there talking about it and spread this one around uh and uh and i can do nothing but keep congratulating you all on the excellent work of this film
• 29:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, thank you.
• 29:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
• 29:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, you know, it's it's still out there.
• 29:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's still, it's still finding its audience.
• 29:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll continue to do so.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think throughout the rest of the year.
• 29:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, when we started this process, I knew it wasn't a sprint.
• 29:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, it wasn't throw it out there for opening weekend.
• 29:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I knew it was going to be a marathon.
• 29:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was committed to that from the beginning.
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's people like you who helped to amplify us in platform, is that they make all the difference.
• 29:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So thank you.
• 29:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Happy to help, man.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And seriously, thank you so much for taking the time to talk today.
• 29:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's really been a pleasure.
• 29:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mike, thank you, brother.
• 30:07
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• 31:23
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