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Infamous: Chad Johnson Part 2 · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Ben Higgins and Ashley I bring you infamous. Sometimes roses
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  Speaker 1: are red flags.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Infamous, because sometimes roses are red flags.
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  Speaker 2: This is Bob Guiney. I'm filling in for our lovely
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  Speaker 2: hosts s Been and Ashley.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: This is part two of our interview with Chad Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about Paradise. I know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you were obviously someone who I'm sure was a you know,
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  Speaker 2: an immediate choice for the producers that we got to
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  Speaker 2: have this guy on Paradise, and and that kind of
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  Speaker 2: extends your you know, extends your fame obviously, but also
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  Speaker 2: kind of puts you back in that in that headspace.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: There's a couple of moments I remember, you know, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: for example Lace on the show, a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: mentioned that one as as moments where you know, did
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  Speaker 2: you think she was trying to be genuine with you
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  Speaker 2: or did you think she was coming at you from
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  Speaker 2: like a producer's putting it her up to it, or
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  Speaker 2: what was your thoughts on that.
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  Speaker 3: I kind of had two thoughts with her, which like
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  Speaker 3: in one thought was like, oh, she knows she's crazy,
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  Speaker 3: and like I like it, Like that's we're having fun. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like, okay, I like somebody that can let
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  Speaker 3: loose because in that time, again, I was you know,
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  Speaker 3: drinking and being wild and stupid, and I wanted somebody
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  Speaker 3: that would do that with me that was kind of
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  Speaker 3: like hey, partner in idiocrasy, and so that was great,
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  Speaker 3: you know. I actually kind of was open to that.
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  Speaker 3: But then in the other pocket as well, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: this is great. We're gonna be the whole show like
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  Speaker 3: a crazy girl. Like I was like, this is fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I had had conversations with producers before I came
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  Speaker 3: in because I had the opportunity like should I you know,
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  Speaker 3: because by the end of like The Bachelorette, I was
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  Speaker 3: gonna get like that's when I was getting bad, bad,
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  Speaker 3: bad bad, And I talked to them like should I
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  Speaker 3: go back to like can I go be me? Or
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  Speaker 3: like do you want me to keep doing that? You know?
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  Speaker 3: And they were like, you can dial it up if
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  Speaker 3: you want, and I was like, okay, if I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: dialo it like so this everything that happened in Paradise
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  Speaker 3: and not the specific things that happened, but it was
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  Speaker 3: all like pre talked about, you know, it was all, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I'm coming in, and I told them I'm gonna be
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  Speaker 3: a nutcase first day, Like if this is what you want,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be insane the first day, and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: give you previews. You're gonna have great preview Like it
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  Speaker 3: was kind of strategical, and I don't know if you're
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  Speaker 3: supposed to be that strategical, but I was like, you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna have great previews for the show, and so like,
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  Speaker 3: let me help you, and then you help me. I'll
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  Speaker 3: be crazy for the first episode. You'll get your great
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  Speaker 3: contrailers and previews or you're gonna be able to use
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  Speaker 3: and then I'll go back to being normal second day.
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  Speaker 3: And then you guys like let me actually date, like
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  Speaker 3: let me do what I want to do. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we've been pushing me to be that character, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And but yeah, the lace thing, I really thought we
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  Speaker 3: had it and we were playing the role together and
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  Speaker 3: it was like, hey, we're both gonna play this role
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  Speaker 3: together and I actually kind of do really like you.
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  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, like just one minute,
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  Speaker 3: she just snapped and turned and was like I'm not
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  Speaker 3: like this. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like
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  Speaker 3: we're doing this for like seven hours straight like we
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  Speaker 3: have every time. So it was really confused.
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  Speaker 2: So is she just going to on the rabbit hole
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  Speaker 2: and then changed your mind or like, what do you think?
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  Speaker 3: I think? So I think they. I think one of
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  Speaker 3: the girls there must have talked to her. Maybe it
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  Speaker 3: was a proud maybe someone was like, if you do
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  Speaker 3: hang out with him, you're gonna look bad or something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I mean I do know it
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  Speaker 3: would have been in that like strategically to keep playing,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the stupid thing we were doing, right, and
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  Speaker 3: just gone to bed separately and then the next day
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  Speaker 3: talked and had dinner and stuff and gone on the
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  Speaker 3: flow with the show. But I felt abandoned, you know,
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  Speaker 3: because I was oho, you know, in this alcoholic type episode,
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  Speaker 3: because they gave me you know, well they didn't give me.
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  Speaker 3: They handed me a bottle of Jack Daniels night half
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  Speaker 3: the bottle before eight a m. That day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was that's that's not the Breakfast Champions necessarily, right.
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  Speaker 3: No, So I couldn't remember anything, like literally I remember
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  Speaker 3: stepping onto the beach. That was that was like that's it.
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  Speaker 3: Everything else is literally in blackout mode. Yes, yeah, it
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  Speaker 3: just didn't go as as planned and I'd change everything.
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  Speaker 3: But again, it was one of those things where when
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  Speaker 3: you're in the middle of you know, an alcohol problem,
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  Speaker 3: probably yeah, going on a dating.
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  Speaker 1: Show, and yeah, I mean there were some moments.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously you had a couple of things, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and this might have been one of the previews you
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  Speaker 2: were looking to give them, right, But you know, I'll
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  Speaker 2: you know, you like y'all murder everybody on this thing
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  Speaker 2: and your family and some stuff like that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: was that was that one of those moments. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's a pretty intense thing to say. Did that ever
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  Speaker 2: come back around to bite you, you know afterwards? I mean, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, obviously, I know you said it did emotionally
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  Speaker 2: from the standpoint of dealing with all that stuff, But
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  Speaker 2: I never have any like real life run ins with
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  Speaker 2: people because of stuff you might have sat on television,
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  Speaker 2: like somebody's family members or anything like that confront you
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  Speaker 2: or anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: No, So that that was me saying all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: That was just like me and my friends would try
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  Speaker 3: to make the joke, like the worst possible jokes to
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  Speaker 3: each other. Yeah, we were drinking or whatever, and so
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  Speaker 3: that's what that and it did it. Honestly, that's a
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  Speaker 3: good point. I kind of wanted to bring that up.
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  Speaker 3: It really screwed me over because so I had a
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  Speaker 3: girlfriend and and here's one thing. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: you ever heard, like I had a domestic violence thing
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  Speaker 3: a few years ago. I had a girlfriend who said
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  Speaker 3: that I hit her right, she had videos of me
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  Speaker 3: yelling because I was drunk, and yeah, I did yell,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, I was being an idiot yelling and
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  Speaker 3: like hitting the door and stupid stuff like that. And
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know when I was mad at but
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  Speaker 3: I've never laid hands on a girl. But I played
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  Speaker 3: that character and I said those things, so everyone automatically said, yes,
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  Speaker 3: it must be true. I saw him be this way
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  Speaker 3: on TV, so yes, he must have done it. No
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  Speaker 3: one took two seconds to play skeptic at all. So
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  Speaker 3: one hundred percent it's affected me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, where I.
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  Speaker 3: Have to be extremely careful in relationships now because like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: the bad boy did something bad, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: anyone can make up anything about me and people are
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  Speaker 3: gonna be like, well, yeah, the bad boy did something bad,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like no, but I don't actually do anything
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  Speaker 3: bad in real life. I just who's gonna who's gonna say, no,
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  Speaker 3: we didn't. Everyone's gonna think you're the cool person.
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  Speaker 2: Well with that, with that in mind, I mean when
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  Speaker 2: people look back at the show and they you know,
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  Speaker 2: obviously these clips are gonna be around forever, right, I
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  Speaker 2: mean it's when when they when they look back at
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  Speaker 2: the show, do you what do you wish they would
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  Speaker 2: have seen, you know, in those moments, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you had some of them to do all over again,
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  Speaker 2: like you think about, you know, like the moment you
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  Speaker 2: have with Sarah Harron for example. You know, I know
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  Speaker 2: you later said you were disappointed in yourself for that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you had a minute to sit with
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  Speaker 2: any of them and you know, what would you want
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  Speaker 2: to say to them?
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  Speaker 3: Well? I did find out, not not to like cover
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  Speaker 3: myself or anything, but I didn't. They edited that SoundBite
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  Speaker 3: of the arm thing in from a from a like
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  Speaker 3: an interview I had with one of them. They made
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  Speaker 3: it look like I said in front of the whole group,
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  Speaker 3: which I didn't do. I didn't realize that till years later.
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  Speaker 3: But but yeah, just I mean the stuff I was saying,
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  Speaker 3: you know, but I got caught, you know, like I
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  Speaker 3: was making horrible jokes because again that's what I did
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  Speaker 3: with my friends back home. And when I'm that many
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  Speaker 3: drinks deep, you know, I started making those jokes again,
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  Speaker 3: What's the worst thing I could possibly say? And I'm
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  Speaker 3: sitting there with the producer that I thought was my friend. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's a can't you forget there's a massive camera and
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  Speaker 3: an audio guy standing there, and you're making these horrible
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  Speaker 3: jokes like you would to your friend, just just to
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  Speaker 3: get a chuckle out of your friend, you know, something
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  Speaker 3: you would never want the other person to say, especially
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  Speaker 3: never want the entire country to hear. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: if I could take it all back, the number one
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  Speaker 3: thing I would do was just not drink that I
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  Speaker 3: would that would People don't understand how much that would
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  Speaker 3: have changed. I mean the whole my whole life would
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  Speaker 3: be different if I didn't drink that day. I have
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  Speaker 3: no idea where I would be, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I understand me. It's a lot. I mean
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people say that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people become a different person
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  Speaker 2: when they drink, and and you know that's one of
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  Speaker 2: those things you hope that you hope you become a
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  Speaker 2: kind or gentle version of yourself.
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  Speaker 1: But you also can put yourself in a spot.
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  Speaker 2: Where you know, but but you know, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: you you wish you wouldn't have done it on national TV.
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  Speaker 2: You wish you wouldn't have done it when all these
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  Speaker 2: people were hearing you. Well, well a lot of those
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  Speaker 2: same people will hear you now. So if you had
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  Speaker 2: something you wanted to say to Sarah, to Lace or
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  Speaker 2: to Jojo, you know, you can say it now and
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  Speaker 2: they and they would hear it, and you know, you
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  Speaker 2: could let them know that you know, you own those
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  Speaker 2: moments and you you know, but you're also you know.
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  Speaker 1: Aren't that guy or whatever or whatever you you know
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  Speaker 1: might want to say.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry, Sarah, I'm sorry, Lace, I'm sorry, Jojo,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry for everything. You know. I mean, it's not this.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard to apologize for the guy because it's so
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  Speaker 3: long ago, you know, but me mean now, I'm so sorry,
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  Speaker 3: but I wish I could take it all back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, man, I mean, I think it's one
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  Speaker 2: of those things you go through some some phases in life, right,
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  Speaker 2: and yours just happened to play out on national television
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  Speaker 2: on a on a huge stage, and you know, it
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  Speaker 2: is tough to take that back. But you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure they'll see that, and you know, who knows, maybe
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  Speaker 2: it'll affect you guys when you get a chance to
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  Speaker 2: to cross paths again, you know, in the future someday
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  Speaker 2: if you do right.
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  Speaker 1: So, I mean, if they came to.
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  Speaker 2: You today and they were like, you know, hey, Chad,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to do another version of Bachelor in Paradise.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be the villains. You know, uh, would
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  Speaker 2: you what would you do? Like, would you would you
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  Speaker 2: allow yourself to go back to that character or do
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  Speaker 2: you think you'd or would you even do it?
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's first and foremost.
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  Speaker 2: And if so, would you allow yourself to go back
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  Speaker 2: to that character or would you go back on and
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  Speaker 2: be like, there is no way I'm gonna let myself
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  Speaker 2: be edited like that guy there's I'm coming one hundred
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  Speaker 2: percent from the heart.
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  Speaker 1: You know, what would your choice be in that matter?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I could play that character anymore like it.
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  Speaker 3: It would be too inauthentic at this point, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if they ever wanted me to do something at this point,
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  Speaker 3: now it would one hundred percent be like, you need
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  Speaker 3: to let me be like, let me be regular, you know,
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  Speaker 3: let me be good like I originally intended, you know,
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  Speaker 3: And I just have to not let myself slip into
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  Speaker 3: doing something. But you know, to be honest, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think they would ever call, and I don't I don't
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna ask, like it's one of those things,
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  Speaker 2: you know, It's like a do you return to the
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  Speaker 2: scene of the crime or do you do you just say,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm gonna you know, I don't need to.
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  Speaker 1: Go on a TV show again to show everybody who
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  Speaker 1: I am.
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  Speaker 2: I already know who I am in here and I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna prove it in other ways. Or you know, you
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  Speaker 2: got a lot of choices to make in those moments.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure, I mean I would it would be I
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  Speaker 3: guess there's there would be some positive to it, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Like so for the most part I the last ten
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  Speaker 3: years now, I just keep to myself because I never
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  Speaker 3: know what people are thinking of me because or what
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  Speaker 3: show did they see, or you know, which seemed to remember.
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  Speaker 3: You know, because I've had people where I'm nice to them,
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  Speaker 3: a nice to them for an hour and a half
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  Speaker 3: and then they're just like, you know, at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the time, I'm like, what, like you're mad because
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  Speaker 3: the show six years ago, you know, like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 3: just had a great time, so it's weird.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to ask you that.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to ask you if you've ever had
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  Speaker 2: you know, I heard about a few people like having
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  Speaker 2: experiences with them be at a bar and someone will
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  Speaker 2: throw a beer at them and they're like, what is
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  Speaker 2: going on?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I was.
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  Speaker 2: I was wondering if that ever was an experience that
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  Speaker 2: you had, because you know, some people, they might have
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  Speaker 2: that image of you in their head and not even
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  Speaker 2: give you a chance to, you know, possibly show them otherwise.
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  Speaker 3: I've probably had, I mean a dozen times where I'm with,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a girlfriend and I'm you know, at a
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  Speaker 3: restaurant or a bar, and I go to the bathroom
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  Speaker 3: and either a girl or an old lady or somebody
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  Speaker 3: will come up to my girlfriend and say you need
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  Speaker 3: to get away from him. You know, yeah he's crazy,
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  Speaker 3: and it's like and it got to the point where
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, like, let me know which one comes up
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  Speaker 3: and says something, you know, just just because I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to be curious, you know, right right to the point
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  Speaker 3: where I go talk to these people and be like,
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  Speaker 3: why'd you do that like, you know, you're watching a
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  Speaker 3: TV show, right, Like you're not gonna go yell at
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  Speaker 3: Dwight from the office.
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  Speaker 1: Right right.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think in that regard, you know, people
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  Speaker 2: people see a reality show and and to them that
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  Speaker 2: is reality, you know, and not realizing it's a television
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  Speaker 2: show that is produced and everything else.
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  Speaker 1: And so you know, I mean, I guess I could.
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  Speaker 2: See the confusion, but I also, you know, can see
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  Speaker 2: it from from the standpoint of hey me, and that
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  Speaker 2: was ten years ago, and you know, yeah, I did
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  Speaker 2: some crazy stuff on that show, but I'm trying.
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  Speaker 1: To own it now. I mean, it would be hard.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be really hard.
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  Speaker 2: I would think to you know, taking it on your
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  Speaker 2: word that you're a totally different guy now, I obviously
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  Speaker 2: don't know you, so I would say, taking in on
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  Speaker 2: your word that you are, it would have to be
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  Speaker 2: really difficult to have people still throwing stuff at you
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  Speaker 2: from ten years ago that you might not even remember
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  Speaker 2: having done, right, given the circumstances.
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  Speaker 3: All the time. And I mean, I guess the one
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  Speaker 3: thing I couldn't imagine is like all the guys that
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  Speaker 3: got out of the show, right, and they either had
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  Speaker 3: a good portrayal or they you know, they stuck to
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  Speaker 3: their their guns and they just stayed true to themselves.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like that had to be so crazy to
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  Speaker 3: like to go out and you know people are thinking
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  Speaker 3: positively of you, you know what I mean, just to
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  Speaker 3: like you go out to a local restaurant, like when
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  Speaker 3: I go out anywhere, Like I just went to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: with my father yesterday. We went and had lunch sitting
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  Speaker 3: in a restaurant, and I like, see, you know, some
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  Speaker 3: girls looking at me, and I'm like, they think I'm
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: an asshole. They probably think I'm an asshole. Like they're
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: probably thinking.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: What's going to be hard? That's that's gotta be hard
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: moving in.
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: Oklahoma or you know, like yeah, yeah, but like that
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: every time, like every interaction all the time until I
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: get some form of like comfort. So I've been keeping
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: myself for a decade.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: You know, so right, I just I get it.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: That's tough, you know, don't think that way.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean when you look back on it too,
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: you know, if you had to, if you had to
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: think about it from on a zero to one hundred scale,
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: you know, what percentage of your actions and your words
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: and your you know, responses, I guess your emotional responses.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Do you think we're influenced by the producers on that
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: show from a zero to one hundred scale.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: I mean I think it was once there was the producer,
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: so it was from like episode one or two. Basically,
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: once the producers influenced that, Hey, we want you to
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: go this direction and we want to see more of
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: this side of you, then I didn't need really that much,
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean influencing. Yeah, you were just going, yeah,
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: But but I wouldn't beyond you know what I mean,
• 15:51
  Speaker 6: that same path, Like yeah, so it's like from what
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: I actually would do to where I you know what
• 15:56
  Speaker 6: it was is huge, but it didn't it didn't.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Require any producer, you know, interruption. But also I wouldn't
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: even be in let's say this entire like like i'd
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: be in an argument, or i'd be in you know, uh,
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: just just in the middle of a scene or something.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: And I'm like you, I wouldn't be here had it
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: not happened three weeks ago or six months ago, that
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: you know, we split into this of this direction.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm curious to you like that
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: kind of like that I guess it was sort of
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: like the swan song for you on the show. But uh,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: you know the final interview you had with Chris Harrison
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: and and you know, I'm Bachelor in Paradise when he
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: was like, Okay, it's time to leave, you know what
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: that had to be. I would imagine that was probably
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: the because Chris was obviously the one, you know, staple
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: of the show every season up until that point. You know,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: you know was that one that resonates a lot with
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: fans to this day.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, people like that one that To be honest, though,
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: if you if you compare these two things, you'll immediately
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: make the connection. But if you've seen me spounding down
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Kenny Powers, yeah that's all I did. I just before
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: I went on the show, I watched like episodes over
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: and over and over in case I needed to keep
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: that character as a backup. And so the moment they
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: told me they were kicking me off, I was like,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: all right, well, I know that that character is popular
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: over here and it's doing well. I could just play
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: that character here and then will you know what I mean?
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: And so it was like it was my hail Mary
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: as like you're kicking me off. Let me give one
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: best like last big little fireworks show.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, well I was that it happened you were
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: able to do that. It was definitely there.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of those things I think, you know,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: especially now where there's so many seasons of the show,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: you know, there are some standout moments over the years,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: for better or for worse, right, and.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: You never think about it.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Although oddly enough, it was the first thing I thought
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: of when when I found out I was going to
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: get to talk to you was I was like, man,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I wonder how this has affected him over the years,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: because I can't imagine it's been easy to live that down,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: especially you know with like you say that that isn't
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: who you feel you you.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Are, but you're kind of that's.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Going to live in people's head rent free for a
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: really long time.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know. I mean, I'll tell you one thing,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: you know, Like, the one thing that's taught me is
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: that no one like you could say anything to me.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I won't get upset. No one can make me upset,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: like at all, because I have seen I have heard
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: the worst things a human can possibly hear, day in
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: day out, hundreds of comments a day, people in person.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: So after just years of that, I'm just like a
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: stone wall, which is kind of like a superpower in
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: a way, because I choose. I choose when I'm happy,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I choose when I'm sad, I choose when I'm upset,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Like no one can affect me anymore.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: But has that been I mean, did you seek therapy?
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Did you go to see somebody? And like, I mean,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: is this all self? Yeah? I mean there's no shame
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: in that game. Man, I'm just curious, you know, I
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: think I would have for sure.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: I went to probably three or fourth therapy. I've read
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: probably five dozen books, I guess. You know, then just
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: spend hundreds thousands of hours just meditating, watching whether YouTube
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: videos and on you know, spirituality and trying to find
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: God and trying to find meaning and what was the
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: point of all this? And why did this happen? Am
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: I supposed to become stronger?
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Is that? Why did I put myself in this position
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: for this? You know what I mean?
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Did I bring this on myself on purpose?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: It's like, so I don't blame anyone or anything. It's
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: like I definitely put myself here for some reason, whether
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: I like it, or not, because when they when they
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: start trying to push this character, I could have gone,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: you know, the other way, right right, but I didn't.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: So you made the choice, right, You made the choice.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: You went with it and got the good, the good
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: of it, which I guess was a lot of at
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: that time anyway, a lot of camera time, and then
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: you got the bad of it, which as a result
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: of that camera time, you got a lot of backlash
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: and a lot of tough years, tough years that you
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: had to with some stuff, right, kind.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Of like that. You know, the people that inherit a
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: lot of money randomly when they're a kid, they never
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: really appreciate it, that type of thing, and they never
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: get to learn the desperation that it takes to like
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: build a successful business. I put I forced myself into
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: desperation through the turmoil and trauma that I had to take.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: And I forced myself to go through a decade of
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: trauma by putting myself into that character, playing that role
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: and taking heat for it. And so now the things
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: that I know, the things that I forced myself to
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: study and with meditating and God and spirituality and just
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: learning and learning business and have to take care of
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: myself because no shows are calling and no business will
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: take me because I couldn't work a job, any job
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: I was going to work. All I was going to
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: do is end up talking about the show, you know, right,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: So you got a way to make money online. Yeah,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: that's why my life has been and I think it's
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: got me to a better place. It took a very
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: long time. It wasn't fun, but I'm happy I'm here now.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I think it's made me a much stronger person than
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: I would have been had I not put myself into
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: that terrible of position. Right still would go back and
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: change it.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I understand, I understand. I mean it's it's definitely. Uh,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: it's interesting to hear you talk about it. And I mean,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you know.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I I don't.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I don't pretend to, you know, to know you or
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: your family, but I'm sure you know you set out
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: to make your mom proud, right by going on television
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: and and doing that stuff, And you know, she'd probably
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: be a lot more proud of the person you are
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: right now from all the work you've done on yourself then,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: you know, just from having been on television. And I
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: don't know you so I hope you don't take offense
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: to me saying that, but you know, you can tell
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: you've done some work, you know, and that's tough to do, man,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: it's a tough.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Thing to do.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's been a long road.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I really appreciate you coming on and talking
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: to us today. Thank you for being a part of
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: the show. I think, you know, like you said, you
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: you you you know, hopefully this opportunity to kind of
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: air some stuff out will make you feel a little
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: better about you know, the experiences that you've had and
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: and you know, it's not an easy road to get anywhere, right,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the the journey is always uh you know, the fruit
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: right that everyone thinks the destination is the most important part,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: but it's getting there that's the tough work.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Work, yeah, with the destination, but the journey on this
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: last last night.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well you put in the work, man, and uh,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: you know, I wish you the very best and and
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: and thank you so much for making time for us
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: and and for being you know, for being vulnerable and
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: being willing to talk about this stuff. I'm sure it's
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: not easy.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, Thanks Bob.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Thanks, You're welcome, man, all Right, we'll take care of Chad.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Thanks for being on Infamous Man. We appreciate it all right.
• 22:32
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• 22:36
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