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Dane Mizutani talks Vikings & Minnesota sports, Michael Swain previews ISU/KU & Trent's Picks presented by Circa Sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  Hour number two, Miller and Condon, welcome back.
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  Glad you're with us. Trent Condon, Ken Miller for
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  another hour. Coming up at the bottom of the
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  hour, Michael Swain covers The Jayhawks of Kansas 24/7 sports.
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  I beg your pardon on three media for Michael, He'll join us.
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  Where is he 24/7? He used to be 24.
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  Seven, he's 24/7. Yes, he is.
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  We'll get to Michael Swain, bottom of the hour trends, plays
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  of the day still to come, Circus sports sponsor those.
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  Let's get to our buddy Dane Mazatani.
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  You know where he's from, twincities.com, Saint Paul,
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  Pioneer Press. He joins us as the Bears get by.
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  The Vikings look like JJ when it was needed most, was able to put
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  a drive together, take the lead, maybe win a football game.
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  But unfortunately, the Vikings had to kick off and the Bears
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  took the kick return and got themselves in field goal range.
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  And of all people, Santos wins the game.
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  How are you? Dane Trenton, Ken, good to speak
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  with you. I'm good.
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  I think I'm doing better than the Vikings are on this
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  beautiful Tuesday. Yeah, it's, it's unfortunate.
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  It seems like the season's slipping away right at 4:00 and
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  6:00. Not a lot of wiggle room.
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  Here comes you've got to go to Lambeau and then to Seattle.
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  Neither of those trips going to be easy at all.
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  So. But it's JJ McCarthy and he's
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  got to be the guy going forward. I know that there's a lot of
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  upset Viking fans out there right now.
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  Is that kind of the sentiment in the Twins cities that, you know,
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  you have to let him play out the year and just hope that you see
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  even baby steps because after all, you know, he's only had a
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  handful of starts in the NFL? Yeah, I mean, I don't think
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  they're going to bench JJ McCarthy at any point over the
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  next couple of months because you can't like I know the backup
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  quarterback syndrome. A lot of people like a kid out
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  of Minnesota, Max Brosmer UDFA had a really good training camp,
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  good pre season. But JJ McCarthy was supposed to
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  be your future. So now you have to figure out if
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  he actually can be your future. And while it might be fun and
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  create some conversation that throw Max frozen are in there if
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  there are some struggles, that does not answer the JJ McCarthy
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  question. So it's his job the rest of the
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  way barring something unforeseen.
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  And I think to be frank, JJ McCarthy now has seven games to
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  prove that he should unquestionably be the guy.
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  Moving forward into next season might sound harsh, but if it
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  continues to look how it has this season, I I really think
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  there could be some difficult conversations to be had here in
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  February, March and April. You know, as we look at
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  McCarthy, what is the biggest issue right now?
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  Is it unable to process quickly enough?
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  I mean, that's one of the knocks that I've heard.
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  How big of a factor is that? And when we kind of dig in a
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  little bit deeper, you're watching the games, but you talk
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  to scouts, you talk to people. Is it just that that he's not
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  processing what's happening on the field quick enough?
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  Yeah, I think there's an element to that.
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  His average time to throw is among the worst in the league.
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  So I don't think he's getting rid of the ball at the rate that
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  he needs to. But with JJ McCarthy right now,
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  it just boils down to accuracy for me.
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  He's the least accurate quarterback in the league.
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  Pretty much every single metric you look at, whether it's the
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  basic metrics, completion percentage that's hovering right
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  around 52%. That's that's that's all like I
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  think league average is 65 to 70% in in the modern day.
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  His on target percentage is is among the worst in the league as
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  well. Behind guys like Cam Ward,
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  behind guys like Dylan Gabriel. These are guys that that have
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  created questions for themselves moving forward, and McCarthy
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  falls into that conversation when we're just looking at his
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  accuracy. So Simply put, he needs to be
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  more accurate. Can we get more accurate?
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  Is the question the Vikings are not going to have to ask
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  themselves. He's not missing hard throws
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  deep down the field. He's missing very, very basic
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  level throws that most quarterbacks in the NFL should
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  be able to make. Where's the fan base on Kevin
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  O'Connell? Is some of the luster off
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  O'Connell? Because similarly, he could do
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  nothing wrong with what he's done at the quarterback
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  position, but and a down year would do that or not that
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  they're turning on him. But I can't believe that
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  they're, you know, that they still have the same, for lack of
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  a better term, love affair with their head coach as they once
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  had. Yeah, that's fair.
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  I think for the first time probably since he's then in
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  Minnesota, he's probably starting to feel it from the
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  fans a little bit. You know, this is what happens
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  though, when a team loses and a fan base is kind of used to to
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  finding a way. Under Kevin O'Connell, it seemed
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  like in all these one score games, the Vikings would always
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  end up on the right side of that razor thin margin with Kirk
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  Cousins, with Sam Darnold. The only time to this point that
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  it hadn't worked out is when you had Josh Dobbs and Nick Mullins.
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  He had a baked an excuse because Kirk Cousins popped his
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  Achilles. This is the first time that
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  they've had their hand picked starter for the season.
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  And I know JJ missed five games. But with JJ back where it hasn't
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  looked like it's supposed to, when her cousins was playing it,
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  it looked like it was supposed to.
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  When Sam Darnold was playing, it looked like it was supposed to.
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  It's not looking like that with JJ McCarthy and I think for
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  better or worse, Kevin O'Connell is taking a brunt of that
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  criticism. My pushback would be it has
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  looked good in the past. What is the new denominator to
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  the equation? It's the quarterback.
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  So it's just the nature of the beast.
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  When you're the head coach of the football team, if it's not
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  going well, you're going to be the one to have to answer for
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  it. Honestly, I think Kevin
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  O'Connell is the least of liking problems.
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  I think the quarterback play is the biggest issue at hand here.
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  Another guy that had been a disappointment, Dallas Turner,
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  you know, first rounder, just hasn't popped.
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  He definitely popped on Sunday against the Bears. 5 pressures
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  in the game, had a sack. And it sounds like coming off
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  the by, they decided we're just going to use him more as a kind
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  of that traditional outside guy, not going to put him in coverage
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  nearly as much. Saw the rate drop down to a 17%
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  now these last couple of weeks. Him in coverage makes a whole
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  lot of sense and it feels like the defensive staff figured out,
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  all right, let's just unleash this guy to get to the
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  quarterback. Is this a sign that maybe it is
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  going to click for Dallas Turner and he's not going to be a first
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  round disappointment? Yeah, I think it's too early to
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  call bust on Dallas Turner, just like I think it's too early to
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  call bust on JJ McCarthy, as hard as I've been on him.
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  But I think, yeah, there's probably something to that.
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  He excels in one area of his game, rushing the passer, and
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  he's a sack of the quarterback. I mean, the Vikings have tried
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  to make him into a complete linebacker, complete edge rush,
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  Sure, that can do kind of a little bit of everything.
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  They're still going to do that if they still want him to be a
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  guy who can impact the game in a lot of different ways.
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  But I think what you saw on Sunday is this 22 year old kid
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  is very comfortable rushing the passer and he's asked to just do
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  that. He can have an impact on the
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  game. Not to rain on the parade, but I
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  would baked into that equation that Dallas Turner was going up
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  against a backup to third string tackle Austin getting blocked by
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  a tight end. So it's not like he was
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  dominating Trent Williams out there there.
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  There's still growth that needs to happen from this kid.
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  But I think when you're looking at at growth kind of in the
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  aggregate, yeah, you certainly want to see these splash plays,
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  which which finally we did from Dallas Turner.
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  Couple of drops that that certainly didn't help McCarthy,
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  obviously, but Jefferson it is is because he because he
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  seemingly always has a smile on his face type of guy, right?
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  The league's best receiver, according to a lot of people.
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  He's certainly in the, you know, the conversation where where's
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  his head right now? Jefferson can't be enjoying this
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  season. Not that he's not starting to,
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  you know, wear off on some of his teammates, but how's
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  Jefferson handling this? Yeah, I mean, I think the hard
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  part is, you know, these guys are gladiators.
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  They put the pads on every Sunday and they kind of go to a
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  different part in their mind. And that competitive nature
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  shows up on the field on the sideline.
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  And when you have 40 cameras covering, you see genuine
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  reactions in real time. And people take that body
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  language or take those reactions and they kind of conflate it
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  into, Oh my God, this guy is upset.
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  Is Justin Jefferson happy that the offense is stagnated at
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  times this year? No, but the way he's handled
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  himself publicly outside of the two second reaction on the
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  sideline that gets clipped and circulated on social media is
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  nothing but a true leader, not just on this team, but across
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  the league. A lot of people could learn from
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  Justin Jefferson. The leadership he's displayed
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  this season. He understands the role he has,
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  signing that big contract, being named the captain, being a guy
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  that is built to kind of usher along a young quarterback like
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  JJ McCarthy, and he's taken that really seriously and I think
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  he's taken that to heart. You see quarter, you see
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  receivers throughout the league, positions throughout the league.
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  When, when, when, when it gets tough.
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  Some guys just blow up, Some guys just quit.
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  Some guys just call out teammates to the media.
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  Justin Jefferson hasn't done any of that.
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  JJ McCarthy's biggest cheerleader through it all.
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  Even the other day when it wasn't looking good, even amid
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  the lack of production for Justin Jefferson, he stands up
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  there like after every game, he says the same thing.
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  We have JJ McCarthy's back, so I have no issue with how he's
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  handled himself through through this struggle.
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  He wants more touches, he wants more catches, he wants more
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  yards, he wants more touchdowns. But I don't think we're ever
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  going to see Justin Jefferson stand up there and bash anybody
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  after a game. Just real quick, Trent, JJ
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  McCarthy had a higher Pro Football Focus passing grade
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  this past week. Ready for this list?
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  Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Sam Darnold, Jared Goff, Aaron
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  Rodgers, Baker Mayfield, Justin Herbert.
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  That's a pretty good list. Good list.
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  Yeah. Not that he was great, but.
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  They did all those guys that that's not to elevate JJ in my
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  mind. Not trying to.
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  It shows you how crappy those guys played this week.
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  Another guy that had a crappy Sunday was the special teams
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  coach Matt Daniels. You see KOC, Holler and Adam on
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  the sideline give up the 56 yard kick return that sets the Bears
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  up for the field goal. Special teams have not been very
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  special this year or very special depending on the way you
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  want to use the word. Matt Daniels.
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  Is he not long for this world anymore at the Vikings Special
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  teams coach? I think he's fine, I really do.
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  And I think, look, I get it. The biggest moment of the game,
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  they didn't answer the bell. 56 yard return can't happen.
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  Guys losing their land assignments cannot happen.
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  We just talked to Matt Daniels today, though, and like nobody
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  was more pain than him after what happened on the field.
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  But if we're firing Matt Daniels, I think we're doing
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  we're doing dude on the wrong things.
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  Has the special teams left something to be desired?
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  At times, Yeah, but if we go back and look at that unit as a
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  whole, they have been one of the better units in the league by a
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  lot of metrics. You have a elite kicker and Will
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  Reichert. You have a what looks to be
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  maybe elite returner and Miles Price.
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  And I get it, it's the fickle nature of that, that side of the
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  ball where it's a one play phase and you can pop a kick return
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  and then be the hero or you can allow a big kick return like
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  they did in a big moment and be the GOAT.
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  So I don't think Matt Daniels by any means is in trouble, is
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  coaching for his job. And I, like I said, I think if
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  we leave this season firing Matt Daniels because heads have to
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  roll, we're doing it all wrong. There is one issue on this team
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  that is hurting them more than anything, and it's not special.
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  Nope, and you pointed that out in your tweet over the weekend.
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  It's fascinating to see some of the answers, but maybe not
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  surprised because you know, everybody's got an opinion.
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  In your opinion, do you think that the league that the NFL is
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  going to try and get out from Vikings at Cowboys Sunday Night
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  Football on the 14th of December, That'll be the third
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  straight opportunity for the Cowboys course Thanksgiving then
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  the following Thursday and then they're back Sunday Night
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  Football if the Vikings and they got a couple of tricky ones,
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  obviously it lying ahead, Packers and Seahawks.
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  Do you think that the Vikings and the Cowboys will move during
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  the day and they'll try and find something else?
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  No chance. There's no way they would flex
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  Jerry Jones out of prime time. There's no way with with with
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  America's team that they would do that.
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  I would be stunned. I I guess like understandably,
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  like if the Vikings continue to to trend the way they do, maybe
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  that would be a talking point that week.
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  But this is Dallas Cowboys. I think a lot of casual football
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  fans don't really care about what the records are each week.
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  If they see the Cowboys are on TV, they're going to tune in
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  because it's the Cowboys. This has nothing to do with the
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  Vikings. I think this has everything to
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  do with with the Dallas Cowboys still being a premier brand of
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  football regardless of who they're playing against.
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  A lot of frustration. It's a Vikings town, we
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  certainly know that, But with the season starting to get away
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  from them a little bit, any buzz for any of the winter sports
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  teams? T Wolves, a decent start, Wild,
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  a decent start. Both those teams.
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  Any buzz or is it still, hey, it's all football right now?
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  I think people like to kind of soak in their misery sometimes
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  in Minnesota. So like, I think people are
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  having a find time complaining about this Vikings crew right
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  now. But I do think the Timberwolves,
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  the Wild turning things around after terribly slow start.
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  It'll be pretty easy to pivot once the playoffs are truly out
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  of reach. Once January rolls around and
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  the Vikings aren't playing in the playoffs, looks like the
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  Wild are going to be relevant even amid the slow start in the
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  Timberwolves. Obviously we I think we've
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  talked about it before. They're they're they're a team
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  on the rise obviously with Anthony Edwards and appointment
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  television each week. So you know when, when, when
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  football is done like kings or fans can shift over to being
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  Timberwolves fans to Wild fans. But you guys know how it is.
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  I think football will always be king Till till it's not.
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  Ken coined that a long time ago. King Football, and it certainly
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  does. One quick question.
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  Speaking of football on the college side, you're a Minnesota
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  grad. This coaching carousel, you
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  know, Fleck has done a nice job. He's not my kind of personality.
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  I don't like all the shtick, but guy wins football games.
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  If he would take another job, reset the clock if you will, go
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  somewhere else, would Minnesota fans be heartbroken?
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  Are they? Hey, he's taking us up a tier.
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  But we're waiting for maybe that next step.
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  What would happen to go for fandom in general if PJ would
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  move on? I think there's like a section
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  of fans that would say good riddance because I don't think
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  PJ Black is for everybody, but I do think that the fan base would
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  end up regretting their their joy if he leaves.
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  Regardless of how you feel about PJ Black, I've seen it in
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  college football. I, I, I went to college when Tim
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  Brewster was a goat and he had his book and he was terrible and
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  the program was set back years because of him.
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  So it like it can be way worse and I'm not settling for
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  mediocrity. But truthfully, with the way
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  college athletics has trended. Like are the, are the.
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  Minnesota Golden Gopher is ever going to be a premier brand of
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  football that competes with the likes of the Ohio State's, the
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  Oregon's, the Penn State's, the, you know, in the Big 10.
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  In terms of NIL, probably not. And while I'm not saying, you
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  know, you got to just sit there and take what you have in front
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  of you, you know, for every Curt Signeti in Indiana, there's like
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  a dozen Luke Pickles at Wisconsin.
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  So Wisconsin would kill for Paul Crist right now, just with the
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  way things have gone there. So I think it's a slippery
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  slope. I think people who don't like PJ
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  Flack always are going to want him to leave.
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  But I think if he leaves, it could get pretty ugly pretty
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  quickly here in the Twin Cities. Last thing, Dane Mazatani, St.
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  Paul Pioneer Press twincities.com If the season
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  continues down the trajectory that it is on and seemingly it's
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  more likely to happen than not, does Cassie get another
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  opportunity at the draft? Where are the cons on their with
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  the with their GM ownership? And the GM draft has not been
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  his strong suit. Do you think that there's a
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  chance that they're looking for another GM at the end of the
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  year? I would be a little surprised if
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  we talked about heads after all and when things don't have
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  happen the way they should. I think I would be a little
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  surprised still if Casey was was the scapegoat and all of this.
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  I know his drafts haven't been good, but the wills have shown
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  in the past to be pretty patient leadership group.
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  And I think when you look at Casey, he just signed an
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  extension. It obviously wasn't as lucrative
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  or as long as Kevin McConnell's extension, but I think the Wills
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  would be a little hesitant to to fire a guy that they just
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  extended. So I'm just going off of how how
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  things have operated here in the past.
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  Now, if you walk into TCL Performance Center in February
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  and he's gone, I wouldn't be like completely floored.
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  I just think right now I, I would venture to guess Casey
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  gets another shot at the draft in, in another year to kind of
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  push forward in this thing. But that's totally conjecture.
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  No, no reporting on my end there.
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  Thanks for being so gems with your time, Dane.
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  Happy Thanksgiving. Appreciate you coming on as
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  always, brother. Thank you, man.
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  We'll talk to you down the road. Of course.
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  Anytime, guys. Yeah, thank you.
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  Dane was at Donnie Saint Paul, Pioneer Press, twinstage.com.
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  So we try to get the coach, the GM and the special teams coach
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  jettisoned. What?
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  What kind of people really want to fire KOC?
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  Yeah, they shouldn't. They're they're idiots.
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  Idiots. Yes, yes, yeah, those are the
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  dumb percentage of our population, right?
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  Come on, come and live in reality.
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  Look around the league. Look at how it turns over.
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  Look what happens seemingly every single year outside of a
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  15 year stretch of the Patriots in a decade of the Chiefs.
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  This is football, and unless you have Tom Brady or Patrick
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  Mahomes, this is football in the NFLIII.
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  Can't wrap my right mind around it.
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  I really can't. No, I'm with you.
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  Did you hear what the Vikings had to do after your Bears tried
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  to troll the Vikings after the game?
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  So the locker room apparently has speakers.
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  OK, right. And somebody on the Bears of the
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  Bears team played in a loop 9:00 to 5:00 to Dolly Parton.
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  Oh that, that's a good one. For taking a shot at JJ McCarthy
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  for two hours. So if they went in, they took
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  the speakers out. So it can't happen again.
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  It's circling the drain this year, isn't.
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  It he doesn't have it. I don't think he does, Trent.
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  There's one guy that was this poor accuracy wise that turn it
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  around one guy. Josh.
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  Josh Allen. Yeah, at least in recent
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  history. Yes, that's a good one.
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  Yes, in the last. Two decades, one guy that was
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  able to do it. Josh Allen's also 65200 and 40
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  lbs. Yeah, his running and McCarthy
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  can move, but he's not that. No, we'll see.
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  I mean, you're going to play them the the rest of the way.
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  I'm surprised that then you didn't even flinch.
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  What do you do? I mean, it's the Cowboys.
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  I get it. But.
• 19:50
  No, it's it's not going to happen.
• 19:52
  I know you don't want to watch a crappy game, but what's 3 weeks?
• 19:54
  In a row, the Cowboys Look, I tried to make a case that they
• 19:56
  turned the corner last. Night.
• 19:58
  Yeah, you've already got a beaten kids.
• 20:00
  I asked if there's a chance I didn't have.
• 20:02
  It there's always a chance. It's the NFL.
• 20:03
  There's always a chance. You just don't want that crap.
• 20:06
  It's a Cowboys. You know this, Ken.
• 20:08
  Yeah, I know. But it's it's that's a bad foot.
• 20:10
  Well, that's, you know, they were better yesterday.
• 20:12
  But again, it's the Raiders. So what would you put in its
• 20:16
  place? Well, it's Week 15.
• 20:17
  What? What's the?
• 20:18
  Let me get Week 15 up in front of me here.
• 20:20
  Hang on. Here's my clicker.
• 20:22
  All right, I've got it. Buffalo, New England.
• 20:24
  Buffalo, New England. There's your answer.
• 20:26
  That'd be good. There's a lot of good games out.
• 20:30
  There, that's the premise in the AFC East, the upstart Patriots.
• 20:33
  There's a lot of good games. Here's another thing.
• 20:35
  There are two big games in the late afternoon window.
• 20:39
  In fact, three big games in the Lions.
• 20:41
  Rams huge. I don't think Fox.
• 20:44
  Is killing that up Seattle? That's one, though.
• 20:47
  And they're going to give us, they're going to force feed his
• 20:49
  Vikings, Cowboys. And you also have Packers,
• 20:51
  Broncos in that late afternoon window.
• 20:54
  You have three huge games in the late afternoon.
• 20:57
  Uh huh, the old man got something.
• 21:00
  It's Cowboys. It's the Cowboys I again.
• 21:03
  And but the early window look at Buffalo here you get to choose
• 21:07
  Buffalo Patriots, Detroit Rams, Packer, Bronco Colts, Seattle.
• 21:18
  Is there any game that are are that does that list?
• 21:22
  Is there anyone on that list that's not as good as Vikings,
• 21:25
  Cowboys? No, no.
• 21:27
  I mean, you could put Chargers chiefs in front of it too.
• 21:29
  Put Chargers chiefs in front of it.
• 21:31
  There are a lot better games, but there's one that involves
• 21:35
  the Dallas. I'm going to go on record right
• 21:37
  now. It's going to happen.
• 21:38
  It's going to happen. You're making the.
• 21:40
  NFL is going to come to its senses.
• 21:42
  It's back-to-back to back primetime game for the Cowboys
• 21:46
  and that doesn't include last night.
• 21:47
  But they love the Cowboys in primetime.
• 21:49
  I get it, but enough is enough. But they're not going to put
• 21:52
  Colt Seahawks in the place of the Cowboys.
• 21:54
  They're just not. Even if it's no, I agree.
• 21:56
  I agree. But there is that.
• 21:58
  Would be the one. And because there's so many late
• 22:00
  afternoon ones. But the Patriots are the girl
• 22:03
  with the curl and you get the best quarterback maybe in the
• 22:05
  league and Josh Allen. I don't think Packers and and
• 22:08
  Broncos would be it, but I'll give you the Lions and the Rams
• 22:11
  any day of the week. That's massive.
• 22:14
  Week 15. Watch for the announcement.
• 22:18
  All right, let me wait for the announcement.
• 22:20
  When does that have to be done? Well, it must be two weeks
• 22:24
  because the rumor this weekend was they were going to flix out
• 22:27
  flex out of Sunday, Thanksgiving, Sunday night.
• 22:30
  OK, you know we get there. Broncos, Commanders Broncos.
• 22:33
  Which is a whole lot of yuck. At least you have the Broncos,
• 22:36
  who were good. Right.
• 22:37
  But they were trying to flex out of that one.
• 22:40
  But then you have to have. What something to replace it?
• 22:43
  And you just ran through the list, Trent.
• 22:46
  There's a handful of games that are better than the.
• 22:48
  Week 15 there is week 13 though. I'm looking through there.
• 22:51
  Certainly nothing easy to put in this place, isn't there?
• 22:54
  No, I'm I'm just scrolling through here quickly.
• 22:58
  The best replacement game for Commanders Broncos would be
• 23:04
  Viking Seahawks. Oh my God, it Bill Steelers
• 23:08
  there, there's a winner, but that's CB, s s National game.
• 23:11
  They're not going to give that. Up, yeah.
• 23:12
  And then that's a component as well.
• 23:14
  That's a component as. Well, because your late
• 23:16
  afternoon window Vikings, Seahawks, that's a Fox game.
• 23:19
  2320 Fives, Raiders, Chargers, No, No no.
• 23:22
  Or Bill Steelers. But that's their national
• 23:24
  window. But you know, when you when you
• 23:25
  go back to Week 15, the early window is is Bills and Patriots.
• 23:29
  And no one was clamoring for that game when they were
• 23:31
  divvying them up earlier in this year because Patriots were
• 23:34
  supposed to be, you know, it was going to be them and The Jets to
• 23:37
  finish last in the AFC East. I think that's your game.
• 23:40
  I think that's the game. I get the Cowboys, it's
• 23:43
  America's team. I don't think they are anymore.
• 23:45
  They're they still are, but not to the level that they were,
• 23:48
  right? I mean, they they they came by
• 23:51
  that. Honestly, I don't think that
• 23:52
  they do anymore. Vikings versus Cowboys, both
• 23:56
  teams. Neither of those teams going to
• 23:59
  be in the playoffs, neither of them, even if the Cowboys do get
• 24:03
  on a bit of a run here and then they might.
• 24:07
  We'll see real quick. Devon.
• 24:09
  And then we got to go to a break.
• 24:10
  We got Michael Swain. Devon, sorry to keep cut to
• 24:13
  shorts. You got about 15 seconds.
• 24:14
  Fire away. I.
• 24:16
  Just wanted to ask you a real quick question.
• 24:18
  So Dak Price got he's amazing. He wants, I think he's top five,
• 24:21
  but I think he's 5. Just want to get your guys take
• 24:23
  on it. Thanks guys.
• 24:24
  Thank you. Appreciate the call.
• 24:25
  Don't have enough time to go through him, but he's he's a
• 24:27
  really good. Quarter Allen Mahomes.
• 24:29
  Yeah, Knicks. OK, Not next.
• 24:33
  Caleb Williams. Look, Burroughs on the list.
• 24:37
  When healthy. When healthy, of course I love
• 24:40
  Herbert. You know how I love Herbert.
• 24:41
  Gross. Get back to Lamar.
• 24:44
  Jackson, I mean. He was terrible.
• 24:47
  He's OK, but Lamar Jackson? Jalen Hurts?
• 24:50
  No. Not top five.
• 24:52
  Aaron Rodgers? Too old, yes.
• 24:55
  Baker Mayfield? He's too hurt.
• 24:57
  Matthew Stafford, Yes. Brock Purdy?
• 25:00
  No, there's a, There's a number of them, right?
• 25:04
  I'm sure we're missing a couple. I'd like to see Deck and a
• 25:09
  competent organization. Oh, my God, look out below.
• 25:11
  He's fantastic. Michael Swain is next.
• 25:14
  Kansas, Iowa State conversation on the other side.
• 25:17
  Miller and Condon, glad you're with us on the Iowa Sports Radio
• 25:19
  Network. Miller and Condon, welcome back.
• 25:21
  Iowa Sports Radio Network, 25 minutes before 2O clock off the
• 25:25
  bench. Coming up at that time, Lucas
• 25:27
  Strange, Sean Roberts, Michael Swaine joins us.
• 25:30
  He covers Kansas, Kansas, Duke tonight, Madison Square Garden,
• 25:34
  that'll be a classic. I'll get into that.
• 25:37
  Michael joins us, of course. He used to join us each and
• 25:39
  every week when he was covered in Iowa State.
• 25:40
  He's now in The Jayhawks B247 Sports and he joins us.
• 25:44
  Good to talk to you Michael, How you been?
• 25:46
  I'm doing great. I'm doing great.
• 25:48
  Good to be back all with you guys.
• 25:50
  Let's do football before we get into basketball because I'm
• 25:52
  anxious to hear about Michael Darren Peterson rather, who will
• 25:55
  not play tonight. And boy, we saw him last week.
• 26:00
  They they played really well. Who was it?
• 26:01
  North Carolina? I think it was North Carolina
• 26:03
  plays the team played so well in the first half and then just
• 26:07
  what happened? But we'll get to that in a
• 26:08
  hoops. Let's start with football.
• 26:10
  I guess we'll start with what what's gone wrong with this,
• 26:13
  with this Jayhawks group this year.
• 26:15
  I thought that they were one of the teams that certainly had a
• 26:17
  chance to be in the conversation amongst the the top of the
• 26:22
  conference did not happen. Can you put your finger on it at
• 26:26
  all, Michael? Yeah, it's just a lack of
• 26:28
  consistency. You know, it's a very different
• 26:30
  situation than last year where you looked at the team and the
• 26:34
  performance and you could really just pinpoint like a moment in
• 26:37
  each game that someone went against KU and they lost the
• 26:40
  game. And then in the latter half of
• 26:42
  the season, right, KU has the winning streak against the
• 26:44
  ranked team, right? They've started to play with
• 26:46
  their potential. Like this year, this team has
• 26:48
  just been so wildly inconsistent.
• 26:50
  There have been good moments and there have been bad.
• 26:51
  Moments. You can look at it from a
• 26:54
  defensive perspective, right, for KU and seems like different
• 26:57
  games, teams are having success with different things, right?
• 27:00
  You know, you can look at some games like Cincinnati or K State
• 27:03
  where teams have thrown the ball against KU with ease.
• 27:06
  You can look at some games like Missouri where they ran the ball
• 27:10
  against KU with ease. And then there are other games
• 27:13
  where KU defense looks really good for, you know, most of the
• 27:16
  game, like at Arizona. But then when it comes down to
• 27:18
  the crucial drive at the end of the game, you can't make a stop
• 27:22
  and you know it looks like a warm knife through butter.
• 27:25
  So that is a hard thing to win football games in the Big 12
• 27:29
  consistently when your defense is now putting together
• 27:31
  consistent performances and is having different things show up
• 27:34
  each week as issues. And then you look at it
• 27:36
  offensively, and I'd say for about the first seven games of
• 27:41
  the season, first 6-7 games of the season, but Jalen Daniels
• 27:46
  was playing like one of the best quarterbacks in the country.
• 27:48
  Like, he graded out like that on Pro Football Focus.
• 27:50
  You'll get any of the numbers. Like he was having a great start
• 27:52
  to the year. But still, Kay's offense was
• 27:55
  struggling to have consistency and especially in the
• 27:58
  second-half. And as the season has gone on, I
• 28:01
  think everything was put on Jalen.
• 28:03
  And if he wasn't perfect, the offense wasn't necessarily the
• 28:07
  offense you've seen from Kansas in recent years.
• 28:09
  And as that has happened later in the year, you see more
• 28:12
  issues. And so you can look back at the
• 28:13
  last couple games, KU did not score an offensive touchdown in
• 28:17
  the second-half against Arizona. Two weeks prior against K State,
• 28:20
  KU did not score an offensive touchdown the second-half.
• 28:23
  The week before that against Texas Tech, KU did not score an
• 28:26
  offensive touchdown in the second-half.
• 28:27
  So like, that's a big issue too, with all of a sudden your
• 28:30
  defense isn't consistent in your offense, can't put together a
• 28:32
  touchdown drive in the second-half of the game.
• 28:34
  Like, that's really hard to win consistently.
• 28:36
  And so KU has been in the spot now where they've beaten the
• 28:40
  teams they should. You should be West Virginia, you
• 28:42
  should be UCF, you should Oklahoma State.
• 28:47
  But then the games that are kind of toss up, games like your K
• 28:49
  State's, your Arizona's, those are the games KU's have lost
• 28:52
  this year. So that's what makes, you know,
• 28:54
  Saturday's game against Iowa State.
• 28:56
  So interesting is the fact that the trend this year has been the
• 28:58
  KU loses these games. Is this the time that they
• 29:00
  finally flip it and get on the other side and get in the one
• 29:03
  column? A toss up game, one that looks
• 29:06
  very similar to the ones that you just mentioned, Michael.
• 29:09
  And there's also the carrot dangling out there about bull
• 29:13
  eligibility. You still have Utah to wrap it
• 29:14
  up. Even at home, you know that's
• 29:16
  going to be an incredibly difficult game.
• 29:19
  There's a reason they're five and five and and people that
• 29:22
  they'll want to put maybe a betting angle to it.
• 29:23
  Well, they're playing for bull eligibility.
• 29:25
  Well, they also have 5 losses, so I don't want to go that
• 29:27
  direction. But has that been a refrain?
• 29:29
  Has that been a calling card this week and getting that six
• 29:31
  win getting bull eligibility or in today's environment is it
• 29:35
  just not as big of a deal? Yeah, I think you know why Bolts
• 29:39
  program is very much day-to-day process oriented.
• 29:44
  I'm sure, you know, any Iowa State fan can relate to that
• 29:47
  type of messaging. You know, it's one of those
• 29:50
  where, you know, we talked to players today and it's like,
• 29:53
  hey, you know, ball eligibility, like we playing for that.
• 29:56
  What does that mean? They're like, yeah, you know, we
• 29:58
  we know what's at stake. Like, we want to get to a bowl
• 30:00
  game, but you can't make it a Super Bowl type of game because
• 30:04
  there's still one more game after that you got to get ready
• 30:06
  for. So look, the players know, you
• 30:09
  know, Lance knows, right, How important this game is because
• 30:12
  Utah looks like a juggernaut right now.
• 30:14
  And I think that's going to be a tough game for KU to keep in 10
• 30:17
  points. So this is it for KU.
• 30:21
  This is it. This is their chance to get to a
• 30:23
  bowl game. And so I think it's one of those
• 30:25
  where I don't think that KU wants to all of a sudden put all
• 30:27
  this pressure on everyone or then get tight in the game and
• 30:31
  and things don't go your way early.
• 30:33
  All of a sudden you're starting to really press.
• 30:35
  And that's when you know mistakes can happen.
• 30:37
  So you know, from a KU perspective, like everyone knows
• 30:39
  what fits take, everyone knows this is the chance.
• 30:42
  But I think it's one of those where I don't think they're
• 30:43
  trying to put all their eggs in one basket mentally.
• 30:46
  Or then if something doesn't go right in the 1st 15 minutes of
• 30:48
  the game, you're spiraling and then it becomes really hard to
• 30:51
  win the game. Because Iowa State's a team that
• 30:53
  I think if they have a lead, they can really control the pace
• 30:56
  of the game and that's really not a spot you want to be in.
• 30:59
  Away from the just sticking with football, but getting to the
• 31:02
  stadium and all the renovations where they pleased, the way it
• 31:05
  turned out is a significant upgrade.
• 31:07
  David Booth Stadium. Oh my God.
• 31:09
  Yeah. Night and day.
• 31:12
  Yeah. It's a crazy facility, honestly.
• 31:14
  It's one of those that, you know, talking to recruits that
• 31:16
  do kind of these fall tours that go to all different places.
• 31:20
  Like they remark that it's like one of the most, if not the most
• 31:24
  impressive facility in terms of just football stuff that they've
• 31:27
  seen. The stadium's incredible.
• 31:29
  Like, you know, I think I have to state come next year maybe or
• 31:33
  maybe the year after whatever, whenever the stadiums like fully
• 31:36
  done like I was state fans get to see like it is top of the
• 31:39
  line. It's a stadium that is very, I
• 31:42
  think modern in terms of just the arrangements, right?
• 31:46
  In a way you can get concessions and and of the fan viewing
• 31:49
  angles. So they did a really good job.
• 31:51
  Obviously now it comes down to, hey, can you finish the final
• 31:53
  third of it And then all the other kind of district stuff
• 31:55
  that gets built on around it. But yeah, I think they've done a
• 31:59
  a very good job. Obviously, you know, there are
• 32:01
  something, you know, like there's certain things that fans
• 32:03
  have said, OK, these are issues and it's the first season, so
• 32:06
  it'll be interesting to see you down the road if some of that
• 32:08
  stuff gets fixed. But, you know, overall, like the
• 32:11
  money was well put to use, right?
• 32:12
  I think all toll is going over 500 million for this first day
• 32:15
  itself. It's going to be a yeah, a good
• 32:18
  looking stadium. And then obviously they got the
• 32:20
  other part to get done, which will start after this year.
• 32:24
  Michael, it was such a weird year as we were previewing the
• 32:26
  season in college basketball in the Big 12.
• 32:29
  So we talked about Houston and oh, here's BYU and of course
• 32:32
  Arizona and dot dot, dot and we get to Sixers.
• 32:36
  Oh, I guess Kansas is still in the league, right?
• 32:38
  It just for year after year after year, winning this
• 32:41
  conference, right, winning the regular season crown seemingly
• 32:44
  every season for year after year and now not an afterthought, but
• 32:48
  just different. How is that playing right now in
• 32:52
  our perception? Certainly probably different
• 32:53
  than you guys have there in Kansas, but just how different
• 32:56
  this program feels at this moment compared to what we've
• 32:59
  grown accustomed to for the last 20 plus years.
• 33:01
  Yeah, it's been an adjustment period, I think for Kansas fans
• 33:04
  to go from, you know, the streak and everything that went along
• 33:08
  with that of winning the conference for, you know, a
• 33:10
  decade and a half to now this point where, you know, Kay, you
• 33:15
  going into a season, like you said, is picked in kind of that
• 33:18
  second tier of the conference. Obviously, the last two years
• 33:21
  have not gone well. And I think things got kind of
• 33:24
  toxic around Kansas with some players who've been around for a
• 33:26
  long time, a transfer that was brought in that, you know, get
• 33:29
  stats but doesn't equate to winning.
• 33:31
  And so a lot of that stuff I think became very toxic in the
• 33:34
  end of last year and going to this season.
• 33:36
  And it's refreshing. You know, Bill Self spent the
• 33:40
  better part of the last 12 months talking about how great
• 33:42
  Darren Peterson is and how excited Kansas fans are going to
• 33:45
  be to watch him. And, man, you watch against
• 33:47
  Louisville in the first half, like, the dude looked like the
• 33:49
  first pick in the NBA draft next year.
• 33:51
  But then this hamstring thing has popped up.
• 33:53
  And you know, now you're kind of in this spot where you're
• 33:56
  looking at a roster that was tailor made to kind of to be
• 33:59
  around Peterson and when you don't have that kind of Max
• 34:03
  contract player, right? Like the Denver Nuggets are not
• 34:05
  the same, but that Nicola Yokich, they look different.
• 34:07
  And so you're seeing some of the stuff and I think that's kind of
• 34:10
  cause of anxious. It's worth a damn.
• 34:12
  Well, if you don't have Peterson, like how good is this
• 34:15
  team? And the answer is mediocre, but
• 34:18
  that's what having the number one player that I'm more drafted
• 34:22
  next year does for you. He's the guy that the rising
• 34:25
  tide lifts all boats. He makes players around him
• 34:26
  better. And so that's kind of the bet
• 34:29
  Kansas has this year is that, hey, it's a little bit of a
• 34:32
  young team, right? Floyd Badonka is his first year
• 34:34
  starter. Corazzario is a freshman,
• 34:36
  Darren's a freshman. And then you got kind of two
• 34:38
  more elder statesman in Melbourne Council and Trey
• 34:40
  White. You know, you're really betting
• 34:42
  on if you're a Kansas fan right now that, hey, some of these
• 34:44
  young guys will figure it out. Darren's going to get this
• 34:46
  hamstring thing figured out. And by the time, you know,
• 34:49
  mid-december comes around, he's going to be playing
• 34:51
  consistently. And you can see kind of what
• 34:53
  this team's about. But I think it is a adjustment
• 34:56
  period now to what the Big 12 is, which is the best conference
• 34:59
  for basketball. And other teams have money now
• 35:03
  and other teams have the ability to put resources into their
• 35:05
  basketball teams. And it is created a landscape
• 35:09
  where K, you just can't walk out there with the best coach and
• 35:11
  the best team and know they're going to win every year.
• 35:13
  Like it comes down to roster building.
• 35:15
  I think the last two years the roster just was not good enough.
• 35:18
  And so that's kind of been an adjustment now that you're in a
• 35:21
  different area of college basketball.
• 35:22
  So it's made it for a rough couple of years and I think K
• 35:26
  fans are hoping that this season kind of gets away from this kind
• 35:29
  of down vibe right now and. It gets into something
• 35:32
  different. Looks like they got something
• 35:34
  again watching some of that North Carolina game.
• 35:36
  You can tell just by watching without even having a programmer
• 35:39
  knowing which one he is. You can tell the best player on
• 35:41
  the floor and it's college basketball fans.
• 35:43
  We lose tonight, right, because Peterson versus Boozer would
• 35:46
  have been appointment TV, Kansas versus Duke, but sadly not going
• 35:50
  to happen. Hey, brother, thanks, Michael
• 35:51
  Swain, we appreciate you doing this.
• 35:53
  Now we'll impose on you again when in the we get into the
• 35:57
  conference play in the Big 12 in Kansas and Iowa State collide
• 36:00
  hopefully Peterson's back and ready to go with that particular
• 36:03
  point. Michael, thanks for doing this,
• 36:04
  Appreciate it. Good to talk to you again.
• 36:07
  Of course. Yeah.
• 36:07
  Great to talk to you guys as well.
• 36:08
  We'll talk to you guys in the new year.
• 36:10
  Indeed you will. Thanks.
• 36:11
  Good to talk to you Michael Swain 24/7 Sports as he covers
• 36:16
  Kansas. Too bad, would have been a fun
• 36:18
  game. Yeah, and now hard to find a
• 36:21
  path for The Jayhawks. Yeah, I'm with you.
• 36:23
  More on that coming up here in just a couple minutes.
• 36:26
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  Glad you're with us on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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  I'm Miller in Condon final couple of minutes on a Tuesday
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  off the bench coming up next to until five first quarter
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  tomorrow morning as always at 6:00 AM Heather Burnside, Alec
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  Bussey from 6:00 until 9:00. Well, maxions in jeopardy
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  tonight, Trent, as far as my TV with the basketball from Madison
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  Square Garden, Michigan State and Kentucky, followed up by
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  Duke and Kansas. So the playoff show would
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  probably be between those two games, right?
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  That's how they normally do it. Yeah, that's what they've done
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  in the years past and I believe that is the plan.
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  Anything you're going to watch on that?
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  I mean, I know you're not going to watch the show, but when you
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  when you see a recap, what will you look for firstly?
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  Ah, Miami, where they are. Yeah, in comparison to Notre
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  Dame. Want to see if that's tightened?
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  Both in No, you don't think they are.
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  Well, I mean, they put it Miami, unless they're not in, they're
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  not leading the ACC. Oh.
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  I know they're not. Yep.
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  Another thing that just bothers me.
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  Group of five school is whom? Tulane Navy.
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  No. OK.
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  Didn't they play? And I don't know, did they?
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  They might have, might have been Recently the Navy got them.
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  Let's see. Navy's got one loss.
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  Navy's got one loss didn't they get?
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  No, they got 2 losses lost to Notre Dame.
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  Well, in conference I'm talking. About and in conference and
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  their conference loss was North Texas.
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  They lost by 14/31/17. So North Texas, probably in the
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  driver's seat. Got to win out.
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  Got to win out. Tricky spot Friday night.
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  North Texas got Temple coming to town.
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  No, that's the finaling week. They got rice this week on the
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  road. All right, that's a layup.
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  All right, what have you got for plays?
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  You're going to be playing any. Hoops, yes.
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  College basketball, we got 5 plays for tonight, Grab and
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  Sparty, plus the five and a half against Kentucky.
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  This young Kentucky team first time in this kind of
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  environment. No, they played Louisville
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  already still and that. Didn't go well.
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  And it didn't green grab Michigan State plus the five and
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  a half. They're also going to play the
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  other side of the Champions Classic.
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  Going to lay it with Duke. We talked about the injury.
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  It's substantial. It's.
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  Really big. Kansas isn't.
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  Very good. I don't think they are even with
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  him. No, he's really good though,
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  Trent. But the rest of the team is.
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  Very good North Carolina was they were getting crushed?
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  Was it 2 fragile? Anyways, it was just two
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  different games. Lay the 10 1/2.
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  They're gonna play Iowa tonight. Gonna lay the big #24 1/2
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  against Simo. B10 Network.
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  BTN plus OK, Rhode Island plus 8 1/2 and UT Martin, the Skyhawks
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  getting 20 1/2 at Florida State. It's way too many, Ken.
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  Way too. Many.
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  How many is it? 20 and a.
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  Half. All right, we're done.
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  Sure to be wrong. Appreciate you being with us.
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  We'll be back tomorrow. We're Monday, Friday, noon to
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  two on Des Moines Sports station 106.3 KX, You know.