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Speaker 1: Latest interview of Elon Musk.
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Speaker 2: That's better, thank you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna make this interesting.
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Speaker 1: How many how many quotes are you going to want
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Speaker 1: that are going to be after this session?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I mean.
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Speaker 1: Five, Okay, So good afternoon everyone. It's great to see
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Speaker 1: everybody here. It's been an amazing week.
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Speaker 2: Here in Davos.
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Speaker 1: Hopefully everybody saw that we are having conversations here. Hopefully
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Speaker 1: everybody agrees. There are some conversations that we made disagreed.
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Speaker 1: There's many conversations that we may have agreed, but through
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Speaker 1: those conversations and I think today's result with a peace
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Speaker 1: agreement earlier today, the World Economic Forum is here to
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Speaker 1: have those conversations that have understandings and also resolution. So
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Speaker 1: it's an important component of who we and.
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Speaker 2: What we are. And olled to have Elon Musk here.
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Speaker 1: He came all the way from California to be here
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Speaker 1: to see all of you.
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Speaker 2: So thank you Elon.
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Speaker 3: He was welcome. I mean I heard I heard about
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Speaker 3: about the formation of the Peace Summit, and I was like,
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Speaker 3: is that is that? P I e C you know,
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Speaker 3: a little piece of greenland, a little pieza, Thanks, we
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Speaker 3: got one. All we want is peace.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna as I said, I'm a pretty proud
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Speaker 1: CEO of black Rock since we went public, the compounding
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Speaker 1: return of Blackrock to our shoulders with twenty Since Elon
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Speaker 1: took Tesla public, his compounded return is forty three percent.
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Speaker 1: This is just another advertisement for everybody's for Europeans, this
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Speaker 1: is why more citizens should be investing with growth, investing
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Speaker 1: with your countries. Imagine if a lot of pension funds
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Speaker 1: invested with Elon when Tesla went public, and how much
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Speaker 1: return with all the pension funds that invested side by
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Speaker 1: side with Elon and the growth, so a spectacular return.
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Speaker 1: There's very few companies. Well, I don't think there's any
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Speaker 1: other company as large as Tesla today that has that
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Speaker 1: compoundent return.
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Speaker 2: So congratulations, I think a good measurement.
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Speaker 3: Well, we have an incredible team a Tesla. That's the reason.
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Speaker 1: So I want to get into the dirt, the meaningful
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Speaker 1: component about technology, the possibilities. I want to talk about
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Speaker 1: AI and robotics, energy, space and the progress ultimately coming
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Speaker 1: down to engineering, engineering, discipline, scale, execution, and few people,
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Speaker 1: if not anyone, has the experience and the fortitude to
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Speaker 1: confront these issues head on not just the ideas, but
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Speaker 1: the execution across so many different technology zelon And that's
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Speaker 1: why I thought it was important for us to have
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Speaker 1: this dialogue here in Davos. So you're presently building on AI,
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Speaker 1: on robotics, on space, on energy all at the same time.
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Speaker 1: When you look across those efforts, what do they have
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Speaker 1: in common from an engineering standpoint, Well.
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Speaker 3: They're all radical technology challenges. But the overall goal of
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Speaker 3: my companies is to maximize the future of civilization, like
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Speaker 3: basically maximize the probability that civilization has a great future,
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Speaker 3: and to expand consciousness beyond Earth. So for sake, SpaceX
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Speaker 3: for example, that's SpaceX is about advancing rocket technology to
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Speaker 3: the point where we can extend life and consciousness beyond Earth,
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Speaker 3: to the Moon, to Mars eventually to other star systems.
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Speaker 3: And I think we should always view consciousness life as
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Speaker 3: we know it as precarious and delicate, because to the
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Speaker 3: best of our knowledge, we don't know if life anywhere else.
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm often asked other aliens among us, and
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Speaker 3: I'll say that I am one.
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Speaker 2: But or you here from the future.
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Speaker 3: They don't believe me, Okay, So I think if anyone
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Speaker 3: would know if there are aliens among us, who would
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Speaker 3: be me?
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Speaker 2: And we have.
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Speaker 3: Nine thousand satellites up there, and not once have we
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Speaker 3: had to maneuver around an alien spaceship. So I'm like,
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Speaker 3: I don't know. The bottom line is, I think we
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Speaker 3: need to assume that life and consciousness is extremely rare
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Speaker 3: and it might only be us, and if that's the case,
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Speaker 3: then we need to do everything possible to ensure that
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Speaker 3: the light of the light of consciousness is not extinguished
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Speaker 3: because we're effectively. The way I view it is the
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Speaker 3: measure in my mind is of a tiny candle in
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Speaker 3: a vast darkness, a tiny candle of consciousness that could
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Speaker 3: easily go out. And that's why it's important to make
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Speaker 3: life multiplanetary such that if there is a natural disaster
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Speaker 3: or a man made disaster on Earth, that consciousness continues.
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Speaker 3: That's the purpose of SpaceX. Tesla is obviously about sustainable technology,
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Speaker 3: and also at this point we've sort of added to
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Speaker 3: our mission sustainable abundance. So with the robotics and aim
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Speaker 3: this this is really the path to abundance for all.
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Speaker 3: If you say, you know, people often talk about solving
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Speaker 3: global poverty or essentially, how do we make give everyone
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Speaker 3: a very high standard of living. I think the only
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Speaker 3: way to do this is AI and robotics, which which
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Speaker 3: doesn't mean that it is without its issues. I mean this,
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Speaker 3: We need to be very careful with AI. We need
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Speaker 3: to be very careful with robotics. We don't want to
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Speaker 3: find ourselves in a James Camera movie. You know, a Terminator.
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Speaker 3: He's a great, great movie. He love his movies. But
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Speaker 3: we don't want to be a Terminator. Obviously. But but
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Speaker 3: if you have ubiquitous AI that is essentially free or
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Speaker 3: close to it, and ubiquitous robotics, then you will have
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Speaker 3: an ex an explosion in the global economy, an expansion
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Speaker 3: in the global economy that is truly beyond all precedent.
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Speaker 1: Can that expansion be broad or is it narrow? And
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Speaker 1: how can that be created?
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Speaker 2: How can it broaden the global economy?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, I mean the way to think
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Speaker 3: of it is that if you have a large number
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Speaker 3: of humanoid robots, the economic output is the average productivity
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Speaker 3: per robot times the number of robots. Right, And actually
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Speaker 3: my prediction is in the benign scenario of the future
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Speaker 3: that we will the robots will actually make so many
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Speaker 3: robots in AI that they will actually saturate all human needs,
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Speaker 3: I meaning you are to be able to even think
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Speaker 3: of something to ask the robot for at a certain point,
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Speaker 3: Like there will be such an abundance of goods and
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Speaker 3: services because the my prediction is there'll be there'll be
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Speaker 3: more robots than people.
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Speaker 1: So but how do you then have human purpose in
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Speaker 1: that scenario?
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know there was not nothing is perfect,
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Speaker 3: you know, but I mean, I mean, is it is
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Speaker 3: a necessary? Like you can't have both. You can't have
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Speaker 3: work that has to be done, uh and amazing abundance
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Speaker 3: for all because if it's if it's work that has
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Speaker 3: to be done, then then then you and and only
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Speaker 3: some people can do it, then then you you can't
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Speaker 3: have abundance narrow narrow exactly. So but if you if
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Speaker 3: you have billions of humanoid robots, and I think it
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Speaker 3: will be I think, I think everyone on earth is
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Speaker 3: going to have one and going to want one, because
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Speaker 3: you who wouldn't want a robot to you know, assuming
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Speaker 3: it's very safe, watch over your kids, take care of
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Speaker 3: your pets, if you have elderly parents. A lot of
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Speaker 3: friends might have said that for elderly parents it's it's
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Speaker 3: very difficult to take care of them. Yeah, it's expensive
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Speaker 3: and it's expensive, and they just aren't enough people to
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Speaker 3: take care of the enough young people to take care
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Speaker 3: of the old people. So if if they if you
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Speaker 3: had a robot that could take care of and protect
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Speaker 3: and elderly parents, I think that would be great. That
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Speaker 3: would be an amazing thing to have and and I
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Speaker 3: think we will have those things. So overall, I'm very
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Speaker 3: optimistic about the future. I think we're headed for a
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Speaker 3: future of amazing abundance, which is very cool. And and
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Speaker 3: definitely we are in the most interesting time in history.
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Speaker 3: I think there's more a more interesting time in history.
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Speaker 1: Can we can you when I reverse aging in this
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Speaker 1: new history or or are we going to see it?
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Speaker 3: You know, I haven't. I haven't put much time into
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Speaker 3: the aging stuff. I do think it is a very
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Speaker 3: solvable problem, like you can do. I think when we
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Speaker 3: figure out what causes aging, I think we'll find it's
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Speaker 3: incredibly obvious. It's not a subtle thing. The reason I
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Speaker 3: say it's not a subtle thing is because all the
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Speaker 3: cells in your body, you know, with some pretty much
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Speaker 3: age at the same rate. I've never seen someone with
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Speaker 3: an old left arm and a young right arm ever
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Speaker 3: in my life. So why is that? That means that
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Speaker 3: there must be a clock, a synchronizing clock that is
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Speaker 3: synchronizing across thirty five trillion cells in your body, and
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Speaker 3: you know there is some benefit to death. By the way,
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Speaker 3: it's like this, there's a reason why we don't actually
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Speaker 3: have a longer lifespan because if you if you have,
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Speaker 3: if people do live forever for a very long time,
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Speaker 3: I think there's some risk of an ossification of society,
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Speaker 3: of things just getting kind of locked in place, and
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Speaker 3: you know, it just may become stultifying just not uh,
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Speaker 3: lack vibrancy. But but that that's said, do I think
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Speaker 3: we'll figure out ways to extend life and and maybe
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Speaker 3: even reverse aging. I think that's highly likely.
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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, So.
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Speaker 1: In the future that you talk about AI models, autonomous machines,
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Speaker 1: rockets depends on massive increases a compute, massive increases energy
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Speaker 1: expensive energy, manufacturing scale.
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Speaker 2: What are the bottle next to get there?
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Speaker 1: And once again, with all that expenditures, again, how can
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Speaker 1: we make sure that it's broad and not narrow.
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Speaker 3: I just think the natural thing is it's going to
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Speaker 3: be very broad because AI companies will seek as many
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Speaker 3: customers as they possibly can, and the cost of AI
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Speaker 3: will get is already very low, and it's planeting every year,
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Speaker 3: I mean almost the cost of AI is almost changed,
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Speaker 3: meaningfully changing on a month's month basis.
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Speaker 2: There's open there's open models now everywhere.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, very there's open models, and the open models
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Speaker 3: only lack there maybe a year behind right the private
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Speaker 3: the sort of closed models. So so I think the
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Speaker 3: AI companies will seek as many customers as possible, which
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Speaker 3: means they'll see they'll provide AI to the world, but the.
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Speaker 1: Cost of getting to there that compute, the chips, the
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Speaker 1: fab the powering that to me, what are the what
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Speaker 1: are the you know, those are a huge limiting factory.
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Speaker 3: I think the limiting factor for AI deployment is fundamentally
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Speaker 3: electrical power.
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Speaker 2: It's just its energy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean we're seeing the rate of AI
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Speaker 3: chip production increase exponentially, but the rate of electricity being
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Speaker 3: vote online is uh.
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Speaker 2: Year acts.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's clear that we're very soon, maybe even later
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Speaker 3: this year, we'll be producing more chips than we can
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Speaker 3: turn on except for China. China. China is China's growth
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Speaker 3: electricity is tremendous.
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Speaker 2: Hundred gigawatts of nuclear as we speak.
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Speaker 3: Actually, solar is the sole biggest thing in China. So
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Speaker 3: China's I believe transproduction capacity on solar is fifteen hundred
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Speaker 3: gigawats a year, and they're deploying over a thousand gigawatts
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Speaker 3: a year of solar. Now, you know, for continuous solar load,
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Speaker 3: you divide that by roughly don't know, four or five cola.
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Speaker 3: That's around two hundred and fifty gigawats of steady state
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Speaker 3: power paired with batteries. And that's a very big number.
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Speaker 3: That's half of the average power usage in the US.
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Speaker 3: So US power usage on average is five hundred gigawatts.
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Speaker 3: China just in solar like just in solar like that
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Speaker 3: can provide steady state power and batteries can do half
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Speaker 3: of the elect US electricity output per year just with solar.
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Speaker 3: Solar is by far the biggest source of energy. And
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Speaker 3: actually when you look on or even even on Earth,
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Speaker 3: but certainly beyond Earth, that the Sun rounds up to
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Speaker 3: one hundred percent of all energy. This is an important
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Speaker 3: thing to consider. So the Sun is ninety nine point
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Speaker 3: eight percent of the mass of the Solar system, Jupiter
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Speaker 3: is about point one percent and everything else is miscellaneous. Now,
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Speaker 3: even if you were to burn Jupiter in a thermo
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Speaker 3: nuclear reactor, the amount of energy produced by the Sun
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Speaker 3: would still round up to one hundred percent, because Jupiter
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Speaker 3: is only point one percent. If you teleported teleported three
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Speaker 3: more Jupiters into our solar system and burnt three more
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Speaker 3: Jupiters and everything else in the solar system, the Sun's
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Speaker 3: energy would still round up to one hundred percent. So
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Speaker 3: it's really all about the Sun. And that's that's why
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Speaker 3: one of the things where we do with SpaceX within
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Speaker 3: a few years, it's launching solar powered AI satellites, right,
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Speaker 3: because the space is really the source of immense power,
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Speaker 3: And then you don't need to take up any room
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Speaker 3: on Earth. There's so much room in space, and you
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Speaker 3: can scale to enormous I mean, you can scale to
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Speaker 3: I think ultimately hundreds hundreds of terror wats the year.
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Speaker 1: You and I have had these conversations before, but what
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Speaker 1: don't you tell the audience what would it take for
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Speaker 1: the United States and what type of geography would it
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Speaker 1: take to have that solar field to electrify.
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Speaker 2: The United States? And then let me ask a question,
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Speaker 2: why aren't we doing it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? So, I mean, I guess the rough way to
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Speaker 3: think about it is one hundred miles by one hundred
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Speaker 3: miles or quote one hundred and sixty kilometers by one
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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty kilometers of solar is enough to power
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Speaker 3: the entire United States. So miles one hundred mile areas
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Speaker 3: is I mean, you could take basically a small corner
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Speaker 3: of Utah, Nevada, Nevada, New Mexico. Obviously wouldn't want it
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Speaker 3: all in one place, but it's it's a very small
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Speaker 3: percentage of the area of the US to generate all
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Speaker 3: of the electricity that the US uses. And the same
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Speaker 3: is true actually, I mean for for Europe, you could
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Speaker 3: take a small you could take relatively unpopulated areas of
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Speaker 3: say Spain and Sicily and generate all of the electricity
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Speaker 3: power that your needs.
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Speaker 1: Why don't you think that there's a movement towards that here.
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Speaker 2: And in the United States?
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Speaker 3: Well, there is, as it is in China. Well, Unfortunately
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Speaker 3: in the US, the tariff barriers for solar are extremely high,
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Speaker 3: and that makes the economic of deploying solo artificially high.
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Speaker 3: Because China makes almost all the solar and and attack that.
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Speaker 1: What would it take for Europe or the US to
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Speaker 1: build it commercially if it's that scale.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think, well, I can tell you
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Speaker 3: what what we're going to do, Yes, SpaceX and TELA
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Speaker 3: is we're building up large scale solo So the SpaceX
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Speaker 3: and TELA teams both separately are working to build to
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Speaker 3: one hundred giggle what's a year of solar power in
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Speaker 3: the US of manufactured solar power, And that'll probably tech
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Speaker 3: Is Center in about three years or something. But that's
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Speaker 3: that's These are pretty big numbers, and you know, I
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Speaker 3: encourage others to do the same. We obviously don't control that,
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Speaker 3: you know, your US tariff policy, but for for for
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Speaker 3: other countries, Huck that this China makes solo cells that
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Speaker 3: are incredibly low costs, and I think it would be
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Speaker 3: worth doing a large scale solo.
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Speaker 2: So I know you are.
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Speaker 1: You're going to be having a couple of big announcements
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Speaker 1: on robotics and what it can do. I mean, when
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Speaker 1: I went to the factory, you showed me those robots.
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Speaker 2: How quickly you talked about the billions of robots.
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Speaker 1: But how quickly and how quickly can they be deployed
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Speaker 1: in a manufacturing setting. How quickly can they be utilized
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Speaker 1: and be functional and be create that that abundance that you.
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Speaker 3: Talked about, Well, humanoid robotics will advance very quickly. I
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Speaker 3: think we do have the tails, the optimist robots doing
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Speaker 3: simple tasks in the factory, except probably later this year.
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Speaker 3: By the end of this year, I think they'll be
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Speaker 3: doing more complex tasks and still deployed in an industrial environment,
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Speaker 3: and and probably sometime next year. I'd say that by
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Speaker 3: the by the end of next year, I think would
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Speaker 3: be selling humanoid robots UH to the public. That's when
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Speaker 3: we are confident that it's very higher liability, very high safety,
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Speaker 3: and the range of functionality is UH is also very high.
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Speaker 3: You can basically ask it to do anything you'd like.
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Speaker 1: You're already seeing that in Tesla car. Is this the
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Speaker 1: software changes that you're doing it?
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Speaker 2: What is it? Every quarter now?
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Speaker 1: A software change that upbrates the ability of a robot
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Speaker 1: within the car.
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Speaker 3: Yes, the TAIL is a full self driving software. We
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Speaker 3: updated sometimes once a week and there recently some of
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Speaker 3: the insurance companies have said that it is actually so safe.
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Speaker 3: Tells a full self driving so safe that UH they're
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Speaker 3: they're offering customers half price insurance if they if they
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Speaker 3: use tess A full self driving in the car, and.
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Speaker 1: That could be monitored by the insurance company, can they
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Speaker 1: Is that part of the agreement then yeah?
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Speaker 3: But I think self driving cars is essentially a solved
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Speaker 3: problem at this point, right, And Telsa's roll rolled out
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Speaker 3: sort of robot taxi service in a few cities and
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Speaker 3: will be very very widespread by the end of this
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Speaker 3: year within the US. And then we hope to get
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Speaker 3: supervised full self driving approval in Europe hopefully next month
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Speaker 3: really quickly. Yeah, and then maybe a similar time timing
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Speaker 3: for China hopefully.
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Speaker 1: I'm want to move the space because historically space is
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Speaker 1: very capital and intensive, historically been done by governments of
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Speaker 1: the least. SpaceX change the whole model. But we've seen
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Speaker 1: it slow to scale and now I'm starting to see
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Speaker 1: it rapping up in what you're doing and other things.
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Speaker 1: Talk to us about the reson, you know, the automation
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Speaker 1: and AI, how it's changing the economics and building and
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Speaker 1: preparing for us in operating in space.
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Speaker 3: Sure, well, the key breakthrough that tells that that's the
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Speaker 3: major breakthrough that SpaceX is hoping to achieve this year
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Speaker 3: is full reusability. So no one has ever achieved full
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Speaker 3: reusability of a rocket, which is very important for the
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Speaker 3: cost of access to space. We've achieved partial reusability with
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Speaker 3: Falcon line by landing the boost stage. We've now landed
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Speaker 3: the boots stage over five hundred times, but we don't
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Speaker 3: we have to throw away the upper stage. The uper
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Speaker 3: stage burns up on re entry for Falcon nine, so
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Speaker 3: and that the cost of that is equivalent to a
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Speaker 3: small to medium sized jet. So, but with with Starship,
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Speaker 3: which is a giant rocket, it's the largest flying machine
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Speaker 3: ever made.
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Speaker 1: Not the rocket that you're using for the idea of
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Speaker 1: going to Mars, right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mars and the Moon, as well as for high
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Speaker 3: volume satellite stuff. So Starship. Hopefully this year we should
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Speaker 3: prove full reusability for Starship, which will be a profound
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Speaker 3: invention because the cost of access to space will drop
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Speaker 3: by a factor of one hundred when you're chief full reusability.
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Speaker 3: It's the same sort of economic difference that you would
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Speaker 3: expect that between say, a reusable aircraft and a non
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Speaker 3: reusable aircraft, like if you have to throw aircraft away
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Speaker 3: after every flight, that would be a very expensive flight.
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Speaker 3: But if you only have to refuel, then it's the
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Speaker 3: cost of the fuel. And so that's really the the
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Speaker 3: fundamental breakthrough that gets the cost of access to space
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Speaker 3: we think below the cost of a freight on aircraft,
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Speaker 3: so you know, under one hundred dollars a pound type
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Speaker 3: of thing easily. So it makes putting large satellites into
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Speaker 3: into space very low, very very cheap. And then when
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Speaker 3: you have solar in space, you get five times more effectiveness,
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Speaker 3: maybe even more than that than solar on the ground
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Speaker 3: because it's always sunny cold, yeah, it's it's it's a
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Speaker 3: well toys sunny, so you don't have a day night
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Speaker 3: cycle or seasonality or weather, and you get about thirty
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Speaker 3: percent more power in space because you don't have atrospheric
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Speaker 3: attenuation of the power. The net effect is solar is
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Speaker 3: five times more. Any given solo panel will do five
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Speaker 3: times more energy in space than on the ground.
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Speaker 1: There is there any capacity in doing that and then
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Speaker 1: taking that power and bringing it back to Earth? Is
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Speaker 1: there any way of doing that? Or you're just taking
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Speaker 1: that power and utilizing it for the needs like building
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Speaker 1: AI data centers in the space.
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Speaker 3: I think the case it's a no brainer for building
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Speaker 3: AI solar powered AI data centers in space because as
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Speaker 3: you mentioned, it's also very cold in space. If you're
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Speaker 3: in the shadow, then it's it's very cold in space.
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Speaker 3: There's three degrees calve. So you just have your soul
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Speaker 3: Kandel spacing the Sun, and then a radiator that's like
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Speaker 3: point like pointed away from the Sun so it has
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Speaker 3: no sign incidents, and then it's and then it's just cooling.
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Speaker 3: It's a very efficient cooling system. So net effect is
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Speaker 3: that the lowest cost place to put AI will be space,
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Speaker 3: and that'll be true within two years, maybe three, three
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Speaker 3: of the latest.
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Speaker 1: Well, so looking ten or twenty years out, how would
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Speaker 1: you describe success with AI or space technology?
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Speaker 2: And where do you see it is that?
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Speaker 1: Can you are you more certain what's going to happen
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Speaker 1: the next three years or five or ten.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to happen in ten years,
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Speaker 3: but the rate at which AI is progressing, I think
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Speaker 3: we were We might have AI that is smaller than
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Speaker 3: any human by the end of this year, and I'd
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Speaker 3: say no later the next year well, and then probably
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Speaker 3: by twenty thirty or twenty thirty one. Call it five
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Speaker 3: years from now, AI will be spotted. Then all of
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Speaker 3: humanity collectively.
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Speaker 1: We only have a number of minutes left. But I
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Speaker 1: want to humanize you for a second, so there's no
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Speaker 1: speculation that you're a piece, right, I want to I mean,
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Speaker 1: I would frame this question by you are the most
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Speaker 1: successful entrepreneur industrialists in the twenty first century, maybe beyond.
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Speaker 2: So I want to really get this.
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Speaker 1: You know what inspired you, Who's inspired you? What was
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Speaker 1: a foundation of your curiosity, and importantly what was the
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Speaker 1: what was it?
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Speaker 2: Was there an.
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Speaker 1: Aha moment epiphany at any time in your life and career?
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean as a kid, I read a lot
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Speaker 3: of science fiction, sci fi, fantasy books we talked about
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Speaker 3: and uh, comic books. H and I always like technology. Uh,
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Speaker 3: I didn't expect to be where I am today. Seems
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Speaker 3: incredibly implausible, but yeah I was. I was inspired by
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Speaker 3: reading about books about the future, about science fiction and uh,
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Speaker 3: and I guess I want to make science fiction not
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Speaker 3: fiction forever. At some point turned science fiction to science fact.
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Speaker 3: And uh, you know, we want to have like Starfleet
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Speaker 3: and star Trek really for for real, like where we
28:40
Speaker 3: actually have giant space ships traveling through space going to
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Speaker 3: other planets traveling to other star systems.
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Speaker 2: Beamed up to go back to New York.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'd like to just be beamed back to
28:53
Speaker 1: New York instead of.
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Speaker 3: Flying Yeah, star trek. I guess my my essential what
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Speaker 3: I would call the philosophic philosophy of curiosity. I'd like
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Speaker 3: to understand the meaning of life. You know, the is
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Speaker 3: the standard model, is the standard model of physics correct
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Speaker 3: regarding the beginning of life, beginning of existence, and the
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Speaker 3: end of the year verse? What what questions do we
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Speaker 3: not know to ask that we should ask? And a
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Speaker 3: I will help us with these things. So I'm just
29:30
Speaker 3: trying to say, how do we get here? What's going on?
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Speaker 3: What's real? Are there aliens? Maybe they are? And if
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Speaker 3: we've got if we've got spaceships that are traveling to
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Speaker 3: other star systems, we may find we may encounter aliens,
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Speaker 3: and or we may find many long dead alien civilizations.
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Speaker 3: But I'm just I just I just want to know
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Speaker 3: what's going on. I'm curious about the universe. And that's
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Speaker 3: my philosophy.
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Speaker 1: Do you see yourself ever going to Mars in your lifetime?
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Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I mean I would say, like, you know,
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Speaker 3: that's a long commitment. I've been asked, wasn't that three years?
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Speaker 2: Each way? It's six months, six months, that's all it is.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, six months. But the planet's only aligne every every
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Speaker 3: two years. Okay, so uh yeah. I've been asked a
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Speaker 3: few times like do I want to, you know, die
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Speaker 3: On Moss, And I'm like, yes, but just not on impact.
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Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good answer. Anyway, we're out
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Speaker 1: of time. I hopefully everybody enjoyed this. I mean, there's
30:38
Speaker 1: so many myths around Elon Muss. I could tell you
30:41
Speaker 1: he's a great friend, and I constantly learned so much
30:45
Speaker 1: from him, and I'm totally inspired by what he's what
30:51
Speaker 1: he has done. I've been been inspired who he is,
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Speaker 1: and I'm totally inspired by his vision of the future.
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Speaker 1: And I don't think it's such a bad future. And
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Speaker 1: I agree with his optimism. So Elon, thank you. Any
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Speaker 1: last words, Well.
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Speaker 3: I think generally, I think my last words would be
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Speaker 3: I would encourage everyone to be optimistic and excited about
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Speaker 3: the future. Good and generally, I think for quality of life,
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Speaker 3: it is actually better to err on the side of
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Speaker 3: being an optimist and wrong rather than a pessimist and
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Speaker 3: right
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Speaker 1: On that note, thanks for listening, see you in the
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Speaker 1: next episode.