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Credlin | 2 April · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, great to have your company. Big show coming up.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's on predline. All the laters from the campaign
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Speaker 2: trail today, including the very telling absence of one figure
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Speaker 2: out in the Hustings absent though she was with Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 2: The campaign for the Liberals to reclaim Kujong went up
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Speaker 2: another notch today without Gucci Green, Medick Ryan in Real Trouble.
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Speaker 3: Well, the Liberals have found a.
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Speaker 2: Novel way to hit back at the science stealers. And
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Speaker 2: I've got something with me in the studio. I'm going
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Speaker 2: to show you in just a moment blast the world
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Speaker 2: awaits with beta breath. Tomorrow, Donald Trump at about seven
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Speaker 2: am our time will announce another round of tariffs. Now
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Speaker 2: will it be as bad as the Trump naysayers say
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Speaker 2: it will be?
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Great to share it and let us know.
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Speaker 2: Coming up, Speaking of Donald Trump, labored desperate to paint
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Speaker 2: Peter Darton is subservient to the US President, but the
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Speaker 2: opposition leader was it having a.
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Speaker 3: Bar of it.
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Speaker 4: I've been very clear that my job as Prime Minister
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Speaker 4: would be to stand up for our national interest and
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Speaker 4: I don't care whether it's President Trump or any other
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Speaker 4: world leader. My job is to stand up for Australians.
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Speaker 2: But first, if you want to know what drives political
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Speaker 2: parties policy, it's the fundamental instincts that their leader in
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Speaker 2: most of their nps that are constantly on display, and
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Speaker 2: their responses to all the issues that typically come up.
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Speaker 2: Now we've seen it today in three key policy areas
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Speaker 2: of wages, cost of living and economic development.
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Speaker 3: Labor instinctively believes.
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Speaker 2: In more government action, while the Coalition instinctively trusts you
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Speaker 2: to know better than government for what's best for you
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Speaker 2: and your family. Bigger government versus smaller government, more spending
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Speaker 2: versus less spending, higher taxes versus lower taxes, more regulation
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Speaker 2: versus less. Now, having tried to snooker Peter Dutton with
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Speaker 2: it's seventy cents a day tax cut last week, today,
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Speaker 2: Labour's bit of political theater was to release its submission
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Speaker 2: to the Wages Regulator demanding a wage increase that's above inflation,
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Speaker 2: and to insist that while Labour wants wages up, Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton wants wages down.
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Speaker 5: We want wage rises and tax cuts.
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Speaker 6: Those opposite us want wages to go down and taxes
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Speaker 6: to go up.
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Speaker 2: You're all incredibly petty and transparent, especially when you consider
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Speaker 2: that it's not the government that pages pays wages, or
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Speaker 2: at least the wages of seventy percent of us who
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Speaker 2: all work in the private sector.
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Speaker 3: Business pays our wages.
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Speaker 2: And unless that business that employs us as making a profit,
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Speaker 2: we won't keep earning that wage, whatever the government or
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Speaker 2: the Fair Work Commission might say about wages.
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Speaker 3: So Dunton Neatly's sidestep.
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Speaker 2: The government's trapped today by saying that of course he
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Speaker 2: supports higher wages, including above inflation wage rises, but that
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Speaker 2: they had to be justified by higher productivity, and that
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Speaker 2: meant ending restrictions on who could do what, and the
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Speaker 2: rules that make it harder for business, in particular small
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Speaker 2: business to make a quid on display. As I said,
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Speaker 2: the very different basic instincts of both sides. From Labor,
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Speaker 2: it's government that should step in and run your life.
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Speaker 2: From the Coalition, it's your hard work, your drive that's
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Speaker 2: likely to make the boats difference to you and your family.
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Speaker 3: There were two.
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Speaker 2: Coalition moves here as well, both reflecting the Liberal Party's
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Speaker 2: instinct for smaller government, freer citizens and the need for
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Speaker 2: business to be allowed to get on with the job.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: As I've been saying for years, eventually Labour's emissions obsession
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Speaker 2: won't just put your powerbill through the roof. It'll try
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Speaker 2: and change the way you live. The climate fanatics don't
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Speaker 2: just want more wind and solar power. They want to
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Speaker 2: stop you flying, stop you driving the car of your choice,
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Speaker 2: stop you eating meat, because all of these activities, so
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Speaker 2: they say, are killing the planet. So Labour's got a
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Speaker 2: scheme that from the middle of next year, so the
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Speaker 2: middle of this year, will impose fines on car companies
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Speaker 2: whose total sales don't result in progressively lower vehicle emissions.
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Speaker 2: Under the energy clown, I call him the energy terrorist. Actually,
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen, car companies are supposed to sell more and
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Speaker 2: more electric vehicles and fewer vehicles with a petrol or
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Speaker 2: diesel engine, making it harder for Australians to buy the
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Speaker 2: cars they want to drive, like the very popular Toyota
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Speaker 2: High Lux and the Forward Ranger Ute. And actually Bowen, well,
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Speaker 2: he's saying that these finds won't increase the cost of
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Speaker 2: cars even though ninety percent of car sales are not electric.
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Speaker 2: It's about as believable as his claim that ill cut
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Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy five dollars a year off your
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Speaker 2: power bill.
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Speaker 8: No, nobody's disagreeing with the fact that we need to
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Speaker 8: have a clean vehicle emission standard. Okay, those vehicles are coming,
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Speaker 8: but penalizing car companies and directly driving up the price
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Speaker 8: of cars is not the way to do it.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: The good news today the Coalition inflected they won't proceed
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Speaker 2: with the fines, a relief for all of us on
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Speaker 2: the massive cost of living pressure. Also today, Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: said in an interview with my colleague Andrew Cleanell, well.
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Speaker 3: He'said a lot bigger.
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Speaker 2: I'll get to some of the other points at the moment,
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Speaker 2: but on the issue of China, dunn't really took the
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Speaker 2: gloves off, and he pushed the PM pretty hard on
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Speaker 2: his weak stand about yet another Chinese spy ship truing
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Speaker 2: our coastline.
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister can't even stand up and explain his
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Speaker 4: theory on why these surveillance ships are circumnavigating our country.
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Speaker 4: This hasn't happened in this fashion before. I just think
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Speaker 4: the Prime Minister is projecting weakness at the moment, which
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Speaker 4: has never worked well over history, and so I do
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Speaker 4: think there is an element of who do you trust
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Speaker 4: to keep our country safe, both in a defense sense
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Speaker 4: and also in a local law and order and crime sense.
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Speaker 2: At this election, especially in election campaigns, there's the daily
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Speaker 2: political noise around gaffes, scandals and scares. Now part of
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Speaker 2: my job every night is to remind you of the
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Speaker 2: fundamentals that drive both sides of politics, because when crises come,
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Speaker 2: as they do, it's inevitable. It's those essential instincts that
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Speaker 2: decide the nature of our government's response, whether that's a
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Speaker 2: good one or a bad one for our country. And look,
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Speaker 2: as much as the macro or national campaign has got
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Speaker 2: a bearing on every election, it's also the ground game,
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Speaker 2: the hand to hand, seat by seat that matters a
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Speaker 2: lot too. It's why on election night, seats you expect
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Speaker 2: a fall don't and seats you expect to hold are lost,
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Speaker 2: and no other seat at this stage is more of
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Speaker 2: a grassroots ground wall going on than the leafy seat
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Speaker 2: of Couyong in Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: Fence by fence, street by street.
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Speaker 2: Core flute by core flute, all sparked by the actions
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Speaker 2: of the husband of teal Menique Ryan but the rogue
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Speaker 2: husband was just the start of trouble for the mask
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Speaker 2: loving Menique Ryan. Then her self important demand to be
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Speaker 2: called doctor Ryan. Well, that was exposed in this leaked
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Speaker 2: campaign video.
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Speaker 9: It's really really important to use the term doctor Manique Ryan.
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Speaker 9: We want people to know that she's a doctor.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure the content there is embarrassing, doctor please, But
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Speaker 2: the fact that it was leaked, the fact that we
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Speaker 2: all know about that training video, says to me that
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Speaker 2: it's not all plain sailing on the good ship, Menique Ryan.
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Speaker 2: At the moment, all of that was topped off with
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Speaker 2: this from the woman herself.
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Speaker 9: Can I ask you what do you think of your
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Speaker 9: husband's decision to remove the Liberal candidates signing coupong?
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Speaker 3: If I don't have a comment for you of comment
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Speaker 3: on that matter already, thank you?
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Speaker 9: Do you think that was an appropriate thing to do?
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Speaker 3: Could you please get your cameras away from me?
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Speaker 9: Do you think it was an appropriate thing to do.
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Speaker 3: For him to remove that sign?
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Speaker 2: Now, a good campaign senses when you're appme has begun
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Speaker 2: to implode, and a good campaign acts on that quickly
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Speaker 2: to expose who they really are to voters. Here's a
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Speaker 2: new liberal ad, really late this afternoon.
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Speaker 3: That does just that.
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Speaker 1: As your member for Keoon, I'll act with integrity and honesty.
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Speaker 9: It's the question of do you practice what you preach?
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Speaker 10: CELMP already made headlines earlier this week accused of shouting
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Speaker 10: at children in a quarrel with Liberal volunteers IMG Ryan's
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Speaker 10: husband tearing down one of your Liberal rivals can pain signs.
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Speaker 3: There you go, Ryan, there you go, community value.
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Speaker 4: It's been a really good day for integrity and transparency
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Speaker 4: in Australian Parliament today.
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Speaker 9: Do you think that was an appropriate thing to do?
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Speaker 3: Could you please get your canvas away from me?
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Speaker 4: When I stood for Parliament, I pledged to you that
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Speaker 4: I would do that with transparency.
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Speaker 3: I don't have a comment for you comment on that
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Speaker 3: matter already.
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Speaker 8: Thank you accountability.
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Speaker 9: And on what is your message anything at all heading
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Speaker 9: into the election.
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Speaker 8: Now?
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Speaker 2: As good as that ad was, have a look at
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Speaker 2: this response from the local Liberal campaign team in ku Yong.
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Speaker 2: New signs appearing today reminding people that the Tails think
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Speaker 2: theft fits their definition of integrity.
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Speaker 10: Hundreds of signs have been spread out right across the electorate,
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Speaker 10: but today a new sign has appeared. This sign is
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Speaker 10: next to the sign of liberal candidate and merely ham
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Speaker 10: next to it, it says Monique, please do not take
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Speaker 10: this sign. It's believed around two hundred of these signs
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Speaker 10: have been spread across Couyong.
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Speaker 2: Well played, Amelia Haimer. It's certainly not the match, but
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Speaker 2: I reckon you're well and truly ahead at the end
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Speaker 2: of the first quarter. All right, let's start tonight with
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Speaker 2: the Anthony Albanese campaign. It's worth pointing out today too
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Speaker 2: that you sent to Alan Well. She's had a massive
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Speaker 2: dive in a populate popularity in the latest resolve pol
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Speaker 2: Soo surprise the price. She was nowhere near the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister when he was campaigning in Victoria, joining me to
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Speaker 2: recap all of that. Senior political reporter Trudy Macintosh, Trudy, welcome,
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Speaker 2: As I said, we've said him with Roger Cook this
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Speaker 2: week Peter malinowskis.
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Speaker 3: But no, just sent to Alan. They're saying this is.
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Speaker 2: All because the State Parliament was sitting, Trudy, But they're
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Speaker 2: now in recess for the next five weeks, so he
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Speaker 2: won't be able to use that excuse next time is
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Speaker 2: in Victoria, will he.
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Speaker 11: Well, I think it's still sitting tomorrow, isn't it, Peter.
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Speaker 11: So there's one more day for that excuse to fly,
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Speaker 11: and I'm sure we will be back at some point
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Speaker 11: in Victoria. Before the federal election. The curious part as
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Speaker 11: well a bit of behind the scenes. The premier held
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Speaker 11: a press conference prior to parliament actually starting, and that
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Speaker 11: was in Abbotsford. The campaign bus was driving past Abbotsford
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Speaker 11: and a lot of people on the bus who are
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Speaker 11: in the nose. I think we're going to see where
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Speaker 11: de Cindre Allen is right now. We kept going on
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Speaker 11: the Eastern Freeway all the way out to Deacon. As
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Speaker 11: you say, it's such a stark contrast because they couldn't
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Speaker 11: have been more obvious in bringing Peter Malanawskiz Roger Cook
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Speaker 11: when they were there in those two states, two popular premiers.
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Speaker 11: It's very clear that federal labor need to distance himselves
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Speaker 11: from the state labor brand.
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Speaker 3: How hard is that to do?
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Speaker 11: I think, as you were saying, last night, Peter, at
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Speaker 11: least turn up, you get the story over with and
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Speaker 11: it's gone. But now we're here tonight, so there's an
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Speaker 11: opportunity for them to meet tomorrow morning before Parliament sits.
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Speaker 3: Let's see if they take it.
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Speaker 2: Look, I think if they do a stage pick fact,
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Speaker 2: there won't be any questions truty, So if you are there,
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Speaker 2: just ask one anyway.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they're worried about.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Pean was in the seat of Deacon. In the
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Speaker 2: seat of Deacon, he also went down to Bradon in Tasmania.
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Speaker 2: This is a seat Labor wants to win back from
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Speaker 2: the Liberals, don't they.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's held on a margin of eight percent, so
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Speaker 11: you'd think, oh, it's probably out of reach for a
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Speaker 11: government seeking re election, which often sees governments go backwards
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Speaker 11: not gaining eight percent. But that probably is not a
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Speaker 11: true representation given the Liberal Gavin Pierce retired, so it's
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Speaker 11: no incumbent there. And Labor hand picked the Senator an Urkhach.
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Speaker 11: She's been around the Senate for more than a decade.
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Speaker 11: A hand picked her to run in this seat of Bradon.
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Speaker 11: So Anthony Abernezi seems pretty confident that her personal reputation
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Speaker 11: on the ground is going to swing things in the
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Speaker 11: north of Tasmania. Let's see, we didn't go to nextdoor Bass,
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Speaker 11: which is held by Bridget Archer, that frequent four crosser
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Speaker 11: against Peter Dutton's policies and voting with the Coalition and
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Speaker 11: that seat of Lions. So there's still plenty of ground
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Speaker 11: to make up. But we've got a sneaking suspicion he's
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Speaker 11: trying to do a lap of the Matt Peter. He's
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Speaker 11: pretty close. The only place he hasn't been in terms
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Speaker 11: of a state and territory is the Northern Territory. Surely
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Speaker 11: we'll get there so he can make that claim. He's
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Speaker 11: been all across the country in the first week of
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Speaker 11: this campaign. If anyone actually cares that he's made the.
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Speaker 2: Luve Wow, that's often a claim that's put to them,
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Speaker 2: isn't it at the end of the first week. Why
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Speaker 2: haven't you been here? And don't you care about there?
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Speaker 2: So I suspect we headed to Solomon. Yeah, over the weekend,
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Speaker 2: thanks Trudy, let's go down to cam Redden. He's with
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Speaker 2: the Peter Dutton campaign but currently in the air on
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Speaker 2: their way to Perth.
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Speaker 3: So before he got on the plane he filed this report.
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Speaker 12: Fighting from behind in the polls, the opposition leader says
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Speaker 12: he's up for a fight with Donald Trump if the
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Speaker 12: national interest is on the line.
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Speaker 4: And what they've seen in Anthony ALBERANUZI is somebody who
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Speaker 4: doesn't have the strength or the backbone or the will
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Speaker 4: to stand up for our country's interests. He can't stand
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Speaker 4: up to China at the moment with Donald Trump. If
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Speaker 4: I needed to have a fight with Donald Trump or
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Speaker 4: any other world leader to advance our nation's interests, I'd
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Speaker 4: do it in a heartbeat. But I'm not going to
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Speaker 4: allow the President of the United States, or the Prime
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Speaker 4: Minister of the United Kingdom or anyone else to walk
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Speaker 4: over me or to walk over our country.
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Speaker 12: On domestic matters, the opposition leader says he's modeled dozens
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Speaker 12: of economic plans before settling on a twelvemonth cut to
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Speaker 12: the fuel ex ice.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's twelve months to be reviewed at the end
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Speaker 4: of that period, so he might do it again. Well,
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Speaker 4: if we think that there is a longer period of
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Speaker 4: recovery required from Labour's mess, then we'll look at any
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Speaker 4: measure to try and provide relief to Australians.
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Speaker 12: On the public service, Peter Dutton says essential roles are safe.
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Speaker 12: But on the National Broadcaster.
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Speaker 13: The critics on your side about the ABC, So what
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Speaker 13: about would you have a look at their budget?
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Speaker 4: Well, well again, I think the approach that we would
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Speaker 4: take is to reward excellence and to where we find waste,
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Speaker 4: to cut that waste.
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Speaker 12: And Peter Dutton here in the marginal Labour seat of
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Speaker 12: McEwan and a housing site. But it's building relations with
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Speaker 12: the White House that will prove a challenge for whoever
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Speaker 12: wins on the third of May.
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Speaker 2: Thanks cam lots to get across. Now I'm bringing in
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Speaker 2: my panel Sky News host National Affairs editor too at
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Speaker 2: the Data Telegraph, James Morrow and ours Ky News election analyst,
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Speaker 2: our chief sophologist Tom Connell, Jens Welcome. I mentioned the
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Speaker 2: part I played a grab there from Peter Dutton's interview
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Speaker 2: with Andrew Klanell. I picked up the China comments, but
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Speaker 2: it was a broad ranging interview. He had this to
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Speaker 2: say on the possibility that he might even extend that
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Speaker 2: cuts the fuel excise.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's twelve months to be reviewed at the end
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Speaker 4: of that period, and well, if we think that there
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Speaker 4: is a longer period of recovery required from Labour's mess,
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Speaker 4: then we'll look at any measure to try and provide
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Speaker 4: relief to Australians.
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Speaker 2: Now we're going to call it an excise, it's a tax,
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Speaker 2: it's a fuel tax. He's halved stage. Tom is leaving
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Speaker 2: the door open. I reckon it's smart politics.
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Speaker 6: What do you think, Well, well, it's absolutely I think
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Speaker 6: a good idea to leave the door open, because if
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Speaker 6: you think about it as similar to the energy rebate,
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Speaker 6: there's no need to say it's going to be a
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Speaker 6: hard and fast then you say how long it's going
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Speaker 6: to last.
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Speaker 14: Originally you say if the pain persists, we might do something.
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Speaker 6: I don't sense it's necessarily something he'd want to extend.
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Speaker 6: That language he used was clever and that he wasn't
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Speaker 6: actually saying we're.
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Speaker 14: Likely to, but just leaving it open.
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Speaker 6: And in a similar way Apeter, I think one of
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Speaker 6: the most really one of the really interesting things about
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Speaker 6: what the approach will be from the Liberal Party comes
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Speaker 6: on tax because before the budget from Labor they were
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Speaker 6: saying we'll see if there's headroom. They were the words
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Speaker 6: from Angus Taylor to deliver another income tax cut. The
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Speaker 6: one thing they really were disappointed in Labor on was
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Speaker 6: not removing the thirty seven percent tax bracket. So that's
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Speaker 6: clearly what they'd like to do to have more genuine
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Speaker 6: income tax reform, but is it affordable right now? Is
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Speaker 6: the problem now? Angus Taylor was us yesterday at the
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Speaker 6: National Press Club. It was just noteworthy. You didn't want
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Speaker 6: to say no to it or yes to it. So
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Speaker 6: it's something I think in my sense, they'd still like
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Speaker 6: to do and keep that hope alive, albeit it's probably
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Speaker 6: going to be hard to do budget wise in this
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Speaker 6: next term.
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Speaker 14: But I think that's an interesting watch.
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Speaker 6: But yeah, keep the options open, and you know, voters
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Speaker 6: want to hear about hope.
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Speaker 14: I suppose on cost.
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Speaker 3: Of living they do. They do it. And there was
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Speaker 3: an attempted wedge too.
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Speaker 2: Staying with the economic stuff here, James an attempted wedge
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Speaker 2: by labor putting out their submission to the Fair Work
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Speaker 2: Commission where they will support an above inflation increase to
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Speaker 2: the minimum wage. You know, if you've got a small business,
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Speaker 2: this will horrify you unless you're getting a lift in productivity.
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Speaker 2: That's been underscored by the RBA boss yesterday. She says
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Speaker 2: productivity has been stagnant for such a long time.
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Speaker 3: This is really important. But I don't think the wedge
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Speaker 3: worked for labor.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I don't think it works for anybody
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Speaker 1: not just small business owners, but anybody who genuinely cares
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Speaker 1: about and understands the nature of the Australian economy and
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Speaker 1: where we are right now. Peter, I mean this proposal
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Speaker 1: to give the lower paid workers a wage rise plus
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Speaker 1: inflation and above that. You know, this gets us into
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Speaker 1: real sort of wage price spiral sort of territory. I
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Speaker 1: think it's really irresponsible, and you know it's so nakedly political. Oh,
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Speaker 1: Peter done it. Well, let's see will Peter doesn't oppose
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Speaker 1: a wage rise. And it's the same sort of thing
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Speaker 1: that they did with medicare you know. Oh, well, you
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Speaker 1: know we're going to raise an eight point five billion
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Speaker 1: dollars If he doesn't go along, he's cutting Medicare and
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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's really cheap. And I think that
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Speaker 1: it's very bad for the overall economy, and Peter, I
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Speaker 1: think that it also creates this problem where we just
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Speaker 1: keep driving inflation, we keep crowding out the private sector,
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Speaker 1: and we keep having that as a result, more and
18:48
Speaker 1: more inflation with less and less actual growth behind it.
18:51
Speaker 1: And this is where the whole sort of caring politics
18:54
Speaker 1: of Anthony ALBINIZI really hits a wall.
18:59
Speaker 2: And I'm minded they can put submission into the Fair
19:01
Speaker 2: Work Commission, but they're not the ones paying for any
19:04
Speaker 2: increase that's left of business. And I think this is
19:07
Speaker 2: the climate where it's pretty tough for business. So we'll
19:09
Speaker 2: see how that plays out. Hey, I like to talk
19:12
Speaker 2: Tom about the macro the national election campaign, but I
19:16
Speaker 2: also like to have a look into seats, particularly marginals,
19:20
Speaker 2: and I want to see the ground game, right. I
19:22
Speaker 2: love to get in my car and get around the
19:23
Speaker 2: suburbs and get to feel for what's happening. We saw
19:26
Speaker 2: today a really nimble response to the seat of Couyong
19:29
Speaker 2: by the Liberals against Menique Ryan and the sort of
19:33
Speaker 2: signs stealing that's been going on. They say it's happened
19:37
Speaker 2: a lot. I certainly called our husband once on camera.
19:40
Speaker 2: I've got one of the signs for me. I'll put
19:42
Speaker 2: it up there with my audience to give them a look.
19:44
Speaker 2: I mean, they're pretty hard to miss this you're driving
19:46
Speaker 2: around the suburbs. I think they're fantastic. But this has
19:49
Speaker 2: happened in a matter of what twenty four hours. This
19:52
Speaker 2: is the stuff that turns the tide, gets the momentum
19:55
Speaker 2: your way. As I said, pretty nimble work. Give us
19:58
Speaker 2: your read on Cuyong.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think it was Nimbal.
20:03
Speaker 6: I was thinking about this earlier because you go, oh,
20:04
Speaker 6: there's this video Peter Jordan Andique Grind's husband. I will
20:08
Speaker 6: get it around on social What else do you do
20:10
Speaker 6: to you? You to do is sign with his picture
20:12
Speaker 6: on or something. This is quite a clever way of
20:13
Speaker 6: doing it because it gets people talking. If you haven't
20:16
Speaker 6: heard of what happened and you see the sign, then
20:18
Speaker 6: you start explaining it to someone. So I agree on
20:20
Speaker 6: the nimble element. Look, this set's really interesting my conversations.
20:24
Speaker 14: All the way through. Is Goldstein a lot more likely
20:26
Speaker 14: to fall than Coujong.
20:28
Speaker 6: But it's funny these incidents which might seem minor Peter
20:31
Speaker 6: that can sort of crystallize thoughts or set a narrative
20:34
Speaker 6: in play. I'm not saying that will necessarily happen here.
20:38
Speaker 6: I did have a liberal MP Victoria equipped that this
20:40
Speaker 6: could be for the seed of Couyong. This could be
20:43
Speaker 6: like the Mark lath And handshake, this moment where someone
20:46
Speaker 6: are where Peter Jordan was making off with this sign.
20:49
Speaker 6: So we'll see if this is the talking point where
20:51
Speaker 6: we're focusing back on in five weeks.
20:53
Speaker 14: One thing that's interesting about this campaign, or a couple.
20:55
Speaker 6: Of quick things I'll mention, is first of all, that
20:58
Speaker 6: I wouldn't underestimate Monique Ryan.
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Speaker 14: You know her campaign team.
21:03
Speaker 6: The day after the redistributions were done, Liberal contact told
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Speaker 6: me they were in the new area of Couyong, So
21:12
Speaker 6: one day after Monique Ryan's team was daw knocking them.
21:15
Speaker 6: That's how quick they were on their redistribution and the
21:18
Speaker 6: resources they have to go out and straight away be
21:20
Speaker 6: the first ones to introduce themselves. So clearly a very
21:23
Speaker 6: well resourced campaign and clearly know what they're doing.
21:26
Speaker 14: The interesting element in.
21:27
Speaker 6: Terms of the primary vote here is Menique Ryan got
21:31
Speaker 6: forty percent last time, compared that to Goldstein, where Zoe
21:33
Speaker 6: Daniel got thirty four percent of the primary. In other words,
21:37
Speaker 6: Monique Ryan's primary has to go down for her to lose.
21:39
Speaker 14: It's not just you know, doesn't have her fate in
21:42
Speaker 14: the hands of preferences.
21:43
Speaker 6: So Zoey Daniel could keep up that primary and still lose.
21:47
Speaker 14: Menique Ryan. Her fate's more in her own hands.
21:49
Speaker 6: So that's why I think this campaign will be very
21:51
Speaker 6: much about Monique Ryan.
21:52
Speaker 14: From the Liberal point of view.
21:54
Speaker 6: If they bring down her primary, then it becomes winnable
21:57
Speaker 6: because forty percent was one of the higher marks for
21:59
Speaker 6: the sheal independence, if you like, And it just makes
22:01
Speaker 6: it a little bit of a different contest.
22:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I agree with your point about our foot soldiers.
22:07
Speaker 2: I've heard the same thing up until the last couple
22:10
Speaker 2: of months. But I think when you look at aggregate terms,
22:12
Speaker 2: you've got the husband, you've got a ticking off, young kids,
22:16
Speaker 2: you've got that please call me doctor rubbish. I think
22:18
Speaker 2: she's coming across as a real campaign Karen. And if
22:21
Speaker 2: you're the campaign Karen in a place like Cuyong, there's
22:24
Speaker 2: an alliteration for you.
22:26
Speaker 3: I think that stuff starts to really stick, you know,
22:28
Speaker 3: and it becomes a joke.
22:30
Speaker 2: And when they're laughing at you, you know, not with you,
22:32
Speaker 2: but at you in a campaign, I think that's when
22:34
Speaker 2: you're going to start to struggle.
22:35
Speaker 3: So campaign Karen, I'll tell you what, keep it up, hey, James.
22:39
Speaker 2: Just before we go financial review today, it is reported that
22:43
Speaker 2: the climate zare Matt Kean interesting has a whole lot
22:47
Speaker 2: of material financial personal interests in a whole lot of
22:51
Speaker 2: agricultural projects that generate carbon credits Now, I don't think
22:56
Speaker 2: you just get rid of this conflict of interest by
22:58
Speaker 2: declaring it. I think I think it comes down to
23:01
Speaker 2: getting rid of these investments or standing down from the
23:05
Speaker 2: job as the supposed independent umpire of climate policy in
23:09
Speaker 2: this country.
23:12
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, like, look, you know, he says,
23:15
Speaker 1: you know that all well, you know I declared them,
23:17
Speaker 1: and says, oh, well, it's strictly within the bounds of
23:20
Speaker 1: the rules and everything like that, but it would be
23:22
Speaker 1: very useful. You would have to imagine for this company
23:26
Speaker 1: that he has these material interests in which are doing
23:29
Speaker 1: three different projects, to have somebody like Matt Kean on
23:33
Speaker 1: their books, who is, of course the climates are. I
23:37
Speaker 1: just think that this is a really bad look. And
23:40
Speaker 1: I think it also calls into mind, Peter the way
23:42
Speaker 1: in general we find that so much of you know,
23:46
Speaker 1: this sort of big hearted climate policy here is driven
23:49
Speaker 1: by people with a great deal of material self interest
23:52
Speaker 1: in I think it absolutely reeks. I think that you know,
23:56
Speaker 1: it's fine that he's disclosed, as fine that he says
23:58
Speaker 1: that there's no conflict, but by word, it just doesn't
24:01
Speaker 1: look good to anybody looking at this from the outside,
24:04
Speaker 1: at a climate regime that a lot of people are
24:07
Speaker 1: making a lot of money off of while the rest
24:09
Speaker 1: of us pay the bills.
24:12
Speaker 2: I think this is going to be the battle lines
24:14
Speaker 2: is going to come out more and more in coming
24:16
Speaker 2: years and months.
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Speaker 3: Gens, thank you.
24:18
Speaker 15: Well.
24:18
Speaker 3: Let's go down to the federal seat of Korenga Mark.
24:21
Speaker 2: This is just outside of Geelong, all the way down
24:24
Speaker 2: on the surf coast in Victoria. It's a seat that
24:27
Speaker 2: is absolutely in play. It's currently held by Labor, Labor's
24:30
Speaker 2: Libby Koca. The margin seven point six percent. I think
24:34
Speaker 2: that's artificially high. I think there's a heavy Scott Morrison
24:36
Speaker 2: factor in there, and it's a seat that has regularly
24:39
Speaker 2: moved bit of a bellwether between the red and Blue.
24:42
Speaker 3: For many many years.
24:44
Speaker 2: The fact that the PM was on the ground in
24:46
Speaker 2: that seat yesterday it says to me that Labor are
24:49
Speaker 2: nervous now joining me now is the man who is
24:52
Speaker 2: making them nervous. Former Sas soldier, a trading our turned
24:55
Speaker 2: Liberal candidate Darcy Dunstan Darcy, welcome. I wanted to get
25:00
Speaker 2: you one because you've had a huge win this week.
25:02
Speaker 2: You've got almost three million dollars committed to properly fun
25:06
Speaker 2: a much needed palliative care center in Geelong. I know
25:10
Speaker 2: there's also been Labor cuts to this center's budget. You've
25:14
Speaker 2: made as a real fighting issue in your campaign.
25:18
Speaker 3: Why is it so important to you?
25:22
Speaker 16: Well, thanks for having us on, Peter. So, as you
25:24
Speaker 16: can see here, I'm in an empty building site which
25:28
Speaker 16: is Adam Caarr House, which is an amazing non for
25:30
Speaker 16: profit organization which provides end of life services to palliative
25:34
Speaker 16: patients in our region. So Labor has just cut nine
25:39
Speaker 16: hundred and forty thousand dollars from this facility, which was
25:43
Speaker 16: initially planned to be a twenty bed facility and now
25:46
Speaker 16: it's a twelve bed facility.
25:47
Speaker 14: So there's eight beds.
25:48
Speaker 16: Which have been scrapped. And also that's three thousand nights
25:51
Speaker 16: of care for patients in this region. But I think
25:54
Speaker 16: it's a concerning pattern of behaviors that Labor is showing.
25:58
Speaker 16: We've had in this region. We've had the maternity ward
26:02
Speaker 16: at the Epworth which has been shut down. We've had
26:04
Speaker 16: Torquie Hospital which was promised and then scrapped. So I'm
26:08
Speaker 16: determined to make sure that Adam Carr House doesn't become
26:11
Speaker 16: another Labour's broken promise and I've promised the staff that
26:14
Speaker 16: if we get this across the line, I was a
26:16
Speaker 16: former trade so I'll put the tool bag back on
26:19
Speaker 16: and give them a couple of days slapping up some
26:21
Speaker 16: plaster to get this facility finished.
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Speaker 3: You're a good man. I think it's pretty crooked.
26:28
Speaker 2: What whin a federal government rips money out of palliative
26:31
Speaker 2: care given that nine hundred thousand dollars as important as
26:36
Speaker 2: it is to Adam Karr. As a rounding error, I
26:38
Speaker 2: mean the PM's wine bill at the lodge would be
26:40
Speaker 2: bigger than that. You mentioned your tradeing background. I think
26:45
Speaker 2: that's something you've done very cannily in some of your
26:49
Speaker 2: social media posts, reminding people that used to come from
26:52
Speaker 2: the tools.
26:53
Speaker 3: I've got a bit to play for people at home.
26:54
Speaker 3: Let's have listen.
26:56
Speaker 16: So the coalitions announced cheap of fuel is one of
26:58
Speaker 16: our key policies cutting the exercise fuel tax or Labor
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Speaker 16: Party has got seventy cents a day in a tax
27:06
Speaker 16: cut in fifteen months time. Which one was you, guys,
27:09
Speaker 16: rather cheap a fuel now? Or exactly right? So which
27:16
Speaker 16: one is you? A cheaper fuel or cheaper fuel?
27:20
Speaker 14: There you go?
27:20
Speaker 16: Do you think we need more trades in Parliament. Yes,
27:24
Speaker 16: what do you think of alban Ezy?
27:27
Speaker 15: I don't know if I can say it on camera,
27:30
Speaker 15: no comment, okay, oh goodness me.
27:38
Speaker 2: There's not a lot we could put to air their
27:40
Speaker 2: darcy in terms of the language. But I think you're
27:42
Speaker 2: making the point that they are absolutely after cheaper fuel
27:45
Speaker 2: and it's seventy cents a day is meaningless when you're
27:48
Speaker 2: in your ute and you're driving around your electorate.
27:53
Speaker 9: We well, that's right, Peter.
27:54
Speaker 16: But I do love talking to trade Is because it's
27:56
Speaker 16: very refreshing. They're very direct and they tell you exactly
27:58
Speaker 16: what it's like on the grounds.
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Speaker 6: Love it.
28:00
Speaker 16: But it's not just fuel in this region. I mean
28:03
Speaker 16: people are telling me on the ground that they're fed
28:05
Speaker 16: up with alban Easy galivanting around the country for the
28:08
Speaker 16: last three years splash and hard earned taxpayers dollars and
28:13
Speaker 16: their lives aren't getting any better. And another one in
28:16
Speaker 16: this region is they're fed up with money getting funneled
28:19
Speaker 16: into in a suburban Melbourne, into one hundred billion dollar
28:22
Speaker 16: rail oop in the East and suburbs, which essentially people
28:25
Speaker 16: in this region will probably never use but will be
28:28
Speaker 16: paying it off in the next fifty years, so they
28:30
Speaker 16: were very happy to hear that we would not be
28:33
Speaker 16: funding that project it We'll be using that funds into
28:36
Speaker 16: other vital Victorian infrastructure projects.
28:41
Speaker 2: Hey, just quickly, I know you're a former SAS soldier.
28:45
Speaker 2: A school in Sydney's letting kids opt out of Vansag
28:49
Speaker 2: Day commemorations. It's huge news in New South Wales today.
28:52
Speaker 2: Do you have any thoughts about that?
28:56
Speaker 16: Well, I just think it's disrespectful, Like, let's be honest,
28:59
Speaker 16: like our kids in this country need to grow up
29:02
Speaker 16: and understand the hardship and the sacrifices that our ANZACs
29:07
Speaker 16: have given to this country. So I'll paint you a
29:09
Speaker 16: picture in World War II where ANZACs were sent overseas
29:14
Speaker 16: fighting the Germans. The reserves were picking up the slack,
29:18
Speaker 16: stopping the invasion of Japan. Bottoms were literally landing in Darwin,
29:23
Speaker 16: and they never asked a lot. I just think that
29:27
Speaker 16: the brave men and women that have fought for our
29:29
Speaker 16: country deserve one day. It's not all the big ass
29:32
Speaker 16: where we can all remember them and on that. One
29:35
Speaker 16: of the things I love the most about Anzac Day
29:38
Speaker 16: is seeing children at the services. They can barely open
29:41
Speaker 16: their eyes because it's so early, it's four point thirty
29:43
Speaker 16: five o'clock in the morning. They're half awake. They're standing
29:46
Speaker 16: there with their medals on. They might be their parents
29:49
Speaker 16: or their grandparents' medal. It's just one of the best
29:52
Speaker 16: feelings and I think most Australians would want to see
29:55
Speaker 16: more of that.
29:58
Speaker 2: That's why you need to get into Parliament. Good luck
30:00
Speaker 2: and well done, particularly on the palliative care funding. Thanks
30:03
Speaker 2: for your time. Remark the break. What can we possibly
30:06
Speaker 2: expect tomorrow? Donald Trump announcing Liberation Day? He calls it
30:09
Speaker 2: another round of tariffs.
30:11
Speaker 3: What's it been for Australia.
30:12
Speaker 2: Plus we'll go live in the UK the Starma government,
30:15
Speaker 2: I tell you what these judicial reforms to tear jailing
30:19
Speaker 2: depending on the color of your skin. Welcome back, still
30:28
Speaker 2: to come live to London as the Starma Government's forced
30:30
Speaker 2: into an embarrassing back down. But first tomorrow, around seven
30:34
Speaker 2: am our time, we expect Donald Trump to announce another
30:37
Speaker 2: round of tariffs and what he's calling Liberation Day to
30:41
Speaker 2: unpact this and more. Foreign editor at The Australian, Greg Sheridan, Greg, welcome.
30:45
Speaker 2: We're told you know they're going to come into effect immediately.
30:50
Speaker 2: They will be widespread. We don't know much more detail
30:53
Speaker 2: than that. What can you tell us, well.
30:57
Speaker 7: Plead, Everything with Donald Trump is of course always very uncertain.
31:02
Speaker 7: We know a few things. The United States directly only
31:05
Speaker 7: accounts for four point six percent of our exports. It's
31:09
Speaker 7: important in a couple of particular areas beef, pharmaceuticals and
31:15
Speaker 7: some other agricultural exports, so were they to be hit
31:18
Speaker 7: with a common twenty percent tariff, that would be very difficult.
31:22
Speaker 7: There's no reason why Australia should be subject to a
31:26
Speaker 7: higher tariff rate than any other country, so we certainly
31:30
Speaker 7: don't want that to happen. Australia even under the terms
31:33
Speaker 7: that Trump uses, Australia has a very good case because
31:36
Speaker 7: the tariffs we impose on America are actually lower than
31:39
Speaker 7: the tariffs they impose on us. And of course America
31:43
Speaker 7: runs year by year a very big trade surplus with Australia.
31:47
Speaker 7: But everything out of the Trump administration indicates that no
31:50
Speaker 7: country will be exempted. I think it is very chaotic
31:56
Speaker 7: and potentially very damaging. I think when to the global system,
32:00
Speaker 7: when the American economy starts to suffer from this, as
32:04
Speaker 7: it probably will, I think Trump will turn on a dime.
32:08
Speaker 7: Nothing is ever stable with Trump, and he likes always
32:11
Speaker 7: to be the center of attention. But once things go bad,
32:14
Speaker 7: he does tend to abandon a position pretty quickly.
32:19
Speaker 2: What about the politics of Laby here trying to sort
32:21
Speaker 2: of hang Trump around the neck of Peter Dutton just
32:24
Speaker 2: because they're on the both on the center right side
32:26
Speaker 2: of politics. I know from posters on all sides that
32:30
Speaker 2: there's quite a soft vote that you.
32:32
Speaker 3: Know, labor and liberal are clamoring for.
32:34
Speaker 2: And that soft vote on both sides doesn't really like
32:38
Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
32:39
Speaker 3: Is that what this is all about?
32:40
Speaker 2: Because you know, if Albaneze has returned to office, he's
32:44
Speaker 2: going to have to deal with this guide is spending
32:46
Speaker 2: most of the campaign painting himself into be some sort
32:49
Speaker 2: of pariah.
32:52
Speaker 7: Well, that's right, Peter. It is the case though, that
32:57
Speaker 7: Trump is at the moment helping send a left arties
33:00
Speaker 7: all over the world, the Liberals in Canada, Emmanuel Macron
33:04
Speaker 7: in France. When Trump was elected, when he first took
33:08
Speaker 7: office and seemed to be a breath of fresh air,
33:10
Speaker 7: there was a sense that the center right was marching
33:13
Speaker 7: into office all over the world. Cost of living was
33:16
Speaker 7: causing incoment governments to be thrown out. I interviewed Nigel
33:19
Speaker 7: Faraj in London and he said, yeah, I'm a friend
33:22
Speaker 7: of Trump. That's really good for me. I interviewed Kemmy
33:24
Speaker 7: Badenoch and she said, yeah, Trump's election shows people want
33:28
Speaker 7: to follow a leader. But then I didn't publish the
33:30
Speaker 7: interview until after he'd made some outrageous comments about Ukraine,
33:33
Speaker 7: so I felt in fairness I had to give her
33:36
Speaker 7: off as a chance to update those comments, and after
33:38
Speaker 7: that she was distancing herself from Trump. Now, Peter Dutton,
33:43
Speaker 7: there's no Trump. That's obvious. But it did you know
33:48
Speaker 7: six weeks ago it looked like being a strong, tough
33:50
Speaker 7: minded conservative was a good thing. The election is not
33:54
Speaker 7: going to write on this, but.
33:56
Speaker 3: I think it is.
33:57
Speaker 7: Having been a small positive for Dutton, it's now a
34:00
Speaker 7: small negative. And you saw Dutton himself. I thought, frankly
34:04
Speaker 7: a little little advised today to say he'd have a
34:06
Speaker 7: fight with Trump if needs be. I don't think you
34:10
Speaker 7: use the word fight about relations between international leaders. And
34:15
Speaker 7: at the end of the day, we're totally dependent on
34:17
Speaker 7: the Americans for our security, so we're not in a
34:20
Speaker 7: position to have a fight with them at all. You know,
34:22
Speaker 7: perhaps if we had a defense force of our own,
34:24
Speaker 7: we might be, but we don't and we're not.
34:29
Speaker 2: Greeg Greg, Can I just have a really quick comment
34:31
Speaker 2: from you, because I'm concerned that the constant commentary from
34:35
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister about these Chinese ships that are constantly
34:39
Speaker 2: now on our coastline. It's flippant and it's glib, and
34:44
Speaker 2: it seems to pass away the severity of what's happening.
34:50
Speaker 7: Absolutely right, Peters. So Alberanzi is very slack, lazy and
34:55
Speaker 7: imprecise in his language. So I pointed out in the
34:57
Speaker 7: column today, he always says, well, they've got ships here,
35:00
Speaker 7: We've got ships in the South China Sea. Doesn't the
35:02
Speaker 7: Prime Minister know, we don't recognize Chinese sovereignty of the
35:05
Speaker 7: South China Sea. Us having ships in the South China Sea.
35:08
Speaker 7: They might be one thousand miles away from China's coast.
35:11
Speaker 7: It's not remotely analogous. He makes a lot of mistakes
35:15
Speaker 7: like that. He can't get right what's actually happening. And
35:19
Speaker 7: China has chosen to do these military exercises, especially the
35:24
Speaker 7: live fire drills, which caused civilian planes to divert in
35:27
Speaker 7: the Tasman Sea in order to humiliate us and to
35:31
Speaker 7: show us whose boss. We can make no military response.
35:34
Speaker 7: I mean, our poor little ANZACs could never challenge any
35:37
Speaker 7: of these Chinese ships. And Albanese doesn't want to get
35:41
Speaker 7: a reaction from Trump, and he doesn't want to get
35:43
Speaker 7: a reaction from from the Chinese, and he is just
35:48
Speaker 7: hoping that none of the big boys recognizes him. I mean,
35:51
Speaker 7: final thought, he is one of the few world leaders
35:54
Speaker 7: not to have visited Trump and not to have had
35:58
Speaker 7: a very substantial exchange with them. And now we can't
36:00
Speaker 7: get Trump on the line, so Alberineze wants the world
36:04
Speaker 7: to ignore him. And that's apparently what's happening at the moment.
36:08
Speaker 2: Oliver there, thank you, Greg diminished the leader that he is,
36:12
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. That's not Greg I'm talking about there, obviously,
36:14
Speaker 2: it's the Prime Minister. Let's head to the UK with
36:17
Speaker 2: their plans for a new sentencing guidelines regime have been
36:21
Speaker 2: suspended abruptly over fears it would lead to a two
36:24
Speaker 2: tier justice system. Now, these guidelines, which had been in
36:28
Speaker 2: development for months and months, would have required a judge
36:31
Speaker 2: to produce a pre sentence report for offenders from ethnic
36:34
Speaker 2: or other minorities. Now, this in turn could have led
36:37
Speaker 2: to criminals receiving a different sentence depending on their ethnicity,
36:42
Speaker 2: their age, or their sex, even if two, even if
36:46
Speaker 2: two had committed the same crime. Joining me in our
36:50
Speaker 2: news Corpse Europe correspondent Sophie Ellsworth, I mean, this is humiliating, Sophie.
36:56
Speaker 2: But we could have had a situation, couldn't we where
36:58
Speaker 2: there was two murderers before a judge, if one was
37:01
Speaker 2: a white male and one was a black woman, there'd
37:04
Speaker 2: be two absolutely different sentences. There's been a massive public
37:08
Speaker 2: outcry which has forced Labour's hand.
37:14
Speaker 17: That's right, Peter. There has been a massive public outcry.
37:17
Speaker 17: There's been days of publicity regarding this and the just
37:22
Speaker 17: Assistant Justice Secretary Opposition Justice Secretary, should I say, Robert
37:26
Speaker 17: Jenrick was very outspoken about this and he said that
37:30
Speaker 17: this is really concerning that we will have this two
37:32
Speaker 17: tier justice system where this is not okay. So this
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Speaker 17: has resulted in a back down by the government. But Peter,
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Speaker 17: I don't think this is going away just yet. The
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Speaker 17: Sentencing Council is still wanting to push forward with this,
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Speaker 17: so time will tell if it is pursued. But this
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Speaker 17: is very embarrassing for the labor government.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just quickly, what's the argument behind it?
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Speaker 2: Because the law we often see the statues of justice
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Speaker 2: a blindfolds up scales.
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Speaker 3: Are there the legal systems supposed to be blind.
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Speaker 17: Well, that's right, Peter. It shouldn't matter about your ethnicity,
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Speaker 17: your gender or so forth. But it's saying that these
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Speaker 17: factors should be considered. And the Sentencing Council, which is
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Speaker 17: a mixture of judicial representatives and non judicial representatives, were
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Speaker 17: saying that this was really important and something that should
38:23
Speaker 17: be pursued. These factors should be weighing before sentencing is
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Speaker 17: handed down. So extremely controversial and one that the opposition
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Speaker 17: has said is discriminatory to people such as white males.
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Speaker 17: So for now it's paused and hasn't gone through, but
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Speaker 17: we'll wait and see if it's going to continue to
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Speaker 17: be pursued, which looks like it is going to be.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave you to go and join that beautiful sunny
38:49
Speaker 2: British day I suspect as cold. So for so the
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Speaker 2: hell of a lot better than it was back in February.
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Speaker 2: Just interestingly too, I always say what happens in UK
38:57
Speaker 2: labor often finds its way here Australia. All right, quick
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Speaker 2: break cuts to the ABC or the Coalition refusing to
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Speaker 2: rule them out. Coming up, Kel Richards joining me now
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Speaker 2: though my panel, Liberal Senator for South Australia Alex Antick
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Speaker 2: and the Coalition's Shadow Minister for the Environment, Tasmanian Senator
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Speaker 2: Jonathan Dunham. Let's start with the vehicle emissions fight today,
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Speaker 2: your mob. I'm saying the Coalition want to abolish the
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Speaker 2: fines for all the car companies who may breach the
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Speaker 2: targets under Australia's new vehicle emission standard scheme.
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Speaker 3: And this is a big election commitment because it means
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Speaker 3: that there are fines.
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Speaker 2: Alex in the order of three million, billion billion dollars
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Speaker 2: in the budget that these companies can expect to be
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Speaker 2: hit with. By abolishing the regime, this means that potential
39:53
Speaker 2: three billion dollars won't be passed on to consumers. I
39:57
Speaker 2: suspect that's going to go down well and addle.
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Speaker 13: Well it should, Peter, because we are talking about potentially
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Speaker 13: three billion dollars worth of fines which, as you rightly say,
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Speaker 13: find their way trickling through to the consumer. I mean,
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Speaker 13: Chris Bowen will tell you that there will be no
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Speaker 13: increase in the cost of vehicles. That is a complete nonsense.
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Speaker 13: In fact, Mitsubishi Motors have said quite the opposite, and
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Speaker 13: the federal body for a Council for Automotive Industries has
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Speaker 13: actually called for a review of this policy report to
40:30
Speaker 13: be done for them to explain how this could possibly
40:33
Speaker 13: not cause an increase in spending.
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Speaker 14: Let's be clear about this.
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Speaker 13: The Forward Ranger, for example, is the most popular car
40:40
Speaker 13: in the country and that is projected to increase by
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Speaker 13: about fourteen thousand dollars. So this policy can do nothing
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Speaker 13: more than cause people to choose which vehicle they want
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Speaker 13: to drive. People should be in a position to choose
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Speaker 13: which vehicle they drive without extra cost imposed as a
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Speaker 13: result of government cherry picking like this. This is a
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Speaker 13: real ball around ze Bowen's neck.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to wa because Roger Cook over there has
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Speaker 2: blown apart this notion that labor had permanently shelled those
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Speaker 2: nature positive laws. Johno, because the Prime Minister's admitted you
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Speaker 2: re elect me, I'll put them back on the table.
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Speaker 2: Roger cook says, no way, They're going to go down
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Speaker 2: like a lead balloon in Perth. I know the PM
41:22
Speaker 2: wants to win more seats, indeed, hold the ones he's got,
41:26
Speaker 2: but win more in Wa.
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Speaker 3: I think this is a killer for him.
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Speaker 18: It is a killer. And Roger Cook just won his
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Speaker 18: election off the back of standing up for what he
41:37
Speaker 18: believed to be right for Wa, and that was that
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Speaker 18: nature positive laws are very negative for Wa and for
41:43
Speaker 18: the mining industry and for all the royalties that industry
41:45
Speaker 18: brings into Australia to pay for schools and hospitals. So
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Speaker 18: it is nuts and I'm going to be there next week.
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Speaker 18: All of my colleagues are going to be singing from
41:54
Speaker 18: the rafters about how we would never do this. These
41:57
Speaker 18: laws that they want to bring in are bad. Example
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Speaker 18: of what labor means for mining in Wa, jobs in
42:04
Speaker 18: Wa is the Northwest Shelf Gas project, which has been
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Speaker 18: through a six year assessment under the Labor state government
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Speaker 18: there and now the federal government under Tanny Plivseka assessing
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Speaker 18: it at a federal level and they've kicked it off
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Speaker 18: until after the election. That spells disaster for this particularly
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Speaker 18: Eve You've got Sarah Hanson Young, the Greens environment spokesperson,
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Speaker 18: as part of a Labor Green government. I think this
42:30
Speaker 18: is very very bad, but clear choice for WA voters,
42:33
Speaker 18: and we'll be working very hard to know that they
42:34
Speaker 18: can vote Libel and be secure in their future.
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Speaker 2: John, just before I go off that topic, though, I
42:41
Speaker 2: think this is a chess piece for Labor to have
42:43
Speaker 2: it in his back pocket should they have to negotiate
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Speaker 2: with the Greens in the event of a hung Parliament,
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Speaker 2: and they'll just trade out the Northwest Shelf. And if
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Speaker 2: you're not in Wa, said to all other Australians, this
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Speaker 2: means money taken out of the budget bottom line.
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Speaker 18: Billions of dollars over the course of the next decade.
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Speaker 18: And yeah, it's Northwest Shelf gas project, it's native forestry
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Speaker 18: in Tasmania and other parts of Australia. It's the salmon industry,
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Speaker 18: it'll be another mining project in Queenslane, you name it.
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Speaker 18: They'll trade it away because the price of government is
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Speaker 18: very high for this mob.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly why they haven't made the decisions to side
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Speaker 2: of you voting.
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Speaker 3: Let's go down to Victoria.
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Speaker 2: We know about this very controversial suburban rail loop project
43:26
Speaker 2: that no one in Victoria wants it. But just into
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Speaker 2: Ellen and Dan Andrews, the ghost of Dan's still there.
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Speaker 2: Let me tell you two hundred billion dollars. Is this
43:34
Speaker 2: rail link to nowhere now? Peter Dutton says.
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Speaker 3: He won't fund it at all.
43:38
Speaker 2: Anthony Almeneazy says, well, under sufferings, I'll give you a
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Speaker 2: little bit of money, but nowhere near what's needed to
43:43
Speaker 2: complete it. Alexandtik, the threat is the premium is going
43:47
Speaker 2: to sign multi multi billion dollar contracts anyway without the
43:52
Speaker 2: money to pay for it. Now, this has got the
43:55
Speaker 2: hallmarks to me of what happened with the East West Link.
43:59
Speaker 2: It was hanseled under Dan Andrews and poor are Victorians
44:03
Speaker 2: had to pay one billion dollars in compensation to the contractors.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, Peter, that's right.
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Speaker 13: We've seen this rerun before and it feels like we're
44:15
Speaker 13: seeing it again. Of course, I'm watching this from outside
44:19
Speaker 13: the state boundaries of Victoria mercifully, but this is a
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Speaker 13: lot of money for a project that, as you rightly say,
44:26
Speaker 13: nobody seems to want outside that state labor government and
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Speaker 13: its forbearers, and for what I mean, the airport rail
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Speaker 13: project seems to be the project that has more credibility
44:38
Speaker 13: and more support, and yet this labor government are insisted
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Speaker 13: on pushing this and this seems to be a feature
44:43
Speaker 13: of labor governments all over the country, this obsession with
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Speaker 13: the light rail projects. For whatever reason. The question as
44:50
Speaker 13: to why it's so welded to this project is perhaps
44:54
Speaker 13: one better put for just intervealent, but that you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 13: The fear here is that the Australian tax payer themselves,
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Speaker 13: just the Victorian ones, may well bear the burden for
45:02
Speaker 13: this project. Let's hope that's not the case.
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Speaker 3: John, I just quickly in Tasmania.
45:08
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister blew in today, but he only visited
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Speaker 2: one seat set of Bradden. Then he blew out again.
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Speaker 2: He didn't answer any questions there about the salmon industry,
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Speaker 2: all the other things I know that are top of
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Speaker 2: mind for Tasmanians. What's going on with labor in the state.
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Speaker 18: Well, yeah, it was a perfunctory visit at best.
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Speaker 14: You know.
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Speaker 18: I think he may have been in Adelaide or Melbourne.
45:33
Speaker 18: I'm not sure. Flew Across went to this announcement that
45:36
Speaker 18: he tried to zump his opponents the Liberal Party on
45:40
Speaker 18: We'd already made an announcement about this health hub for
45:43
Speaker 18: the community of burning flu hours, but triguing the voters
45:47
Speaker 18: of Braden and lines for that matter with complete disdain,
45:51
Speaker 18: hoping to drop a few bits of candy about the
45:53
Speaker 18: place and pick up the seat of Bradden. We've got
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Speaker 18: a very good candidate there, and yes we don't take
45:58
Speaker 18: anything for granted, but I think Labor, with their hubris
46:02
Speaker 18: and arrogance, is starting to take the seats in TASMANI
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Speaker 18: for granted, thinking they're just going to win the lot. Well,
46:08
Speaker 18: they've got a challenge on down here, and what they've
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Speaker 18: done with salmon, with mining, with other projects they've got
46:14
Speaker 18: stalled under their EPBC laws, they are going to have
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Speaker 18: a lot of trouble winning people's votes down here in Tazzy.
46:22
Speaker 2: All right, Jens, I'll over there. See you both next
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Speaker 2: week right after the break.
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Speaker 3: Kel Richards.
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Speaker 2: Jomy as he does every Wednesday, even in the thick
46:34
Speaker 2: of a campaign, the wonderful Kel Richards.
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Speaker 3: Hey, Kel.
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Speaker 2: I saw this question come in from John and I thought, well,
46:41
Speaker 2: it's clearly not about my vintage and probably not my
46:44
Speaker 2: gender obviously, because this was a big movie in my
46:48
Speaker 2: sort of teenage university years. The term and Peter Duttons
46:51
Speaker 2: used it quite a lot in the campaign, sliding doors.
46:55
Speaker 2: John wants to know what sliding doors moment.
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Speaker 5: Means well, if you come from the period, you will know.
47:02
Speaker 5: It's the title of a Gwyneth Paltrow movie from nineteen
47:04
Speaker 5: ninety eight. And in the movie, the Goodeth Paltrow character
47:07
Speaker 5: loses her job, goes down to a London underground railway
47:10
Speaker 5: station to catch a train and just misses the train.
47:14
Speaker 5: The doors closed just before she gets on board. Then
47:16
Speaker 5: the film rewinds and shows the same thing happening, but
47:20
Speaker 5: this time she gets on the train, and from then
47:22
Speaker 5: on there are two different storylines. What happens if she
47:25
Speaker 5: caught the train, what happens if she missed the train.
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Speaker 14: So it's that.
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Speaker 5: Decisive controlling the future moment. And the sliding doors of
47:32
Speaker 5: the title, as you know, are not big glass sliding
47:34
Speaker 5: doors in an office. They are the sliding doors on
47:37
Speaker 5: a train. You're either on the train or you're not.
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Speaker 2: So that the sliding doors for our country. And he's
47:44
Speaker 2: not wrong there. Hey, Michael wants to know about the
47:46
Speaker 2: origin and the meeting of the term.
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Speaker 3: We use it a light here Fox Pop.
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Speaker 5: It's a bit of Latin vox popular voice of the people.
47:54
Speaker 5: And as you say here, in radio and television we
47:56
Speaker 5: call interviews with people on the streets with passers by
47:59
Speaker 5: vox pops as an abbreviation of that. It originally was
48:04
Speaker 5: a longer Latin expression, vox popular vox day. The voice
48:08
Speaker 5: of the people is the voice of God, and politicians
48:11
Speaker 5: facing an election, I think probably feel that the voice
48:14
Speaker 5: of the people, it's the voice of God for them.
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Speaker 2: This is the one that's often raised with me, and
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Speaker 2: Jenny says, you know, when we start to get into
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Speaker 2: the numbers of billions and trillions, it's got no reference
48:28
Speaker 2: to ordinary people, right, These numbers are so gant, and
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Speaker 2: I think she's got a fair point.
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Speaker 5: She has. We can't imagine them. And there was once
48:37
Speaker 5: a dispute about them. There used to be a British
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Speaker 5: billion and an American billion. The British billion was dropped
48:42
Speaker 5: a while ago, nine in fifties or sixties, but it
48:45
Speaker 5: was a million million, while an American billion was one
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Speaker 5: thousand million. And now the American billion has taken over
48:54
Speaker 5: and everyone accepts that now. And something similar happened to trillion.
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Speaker 5: It was originally at one stage it was a billion
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Speaker 5: big and the American said, no, it's a thousand billion.
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Speaker 5: So it's ten to the power of twelve. These days,
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Speaker 5: not ten to the power of eighteen. And there's such
49:09
Speaker 5: big numbers. We can't understand them, can we?
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Speaker 2: I reckon, I'm going to start to put them with
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Speaker 2: all the zeros on the screen, just to understand underscore
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Speaker 2: to people at home because they're paying for it.
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Speaker 3: How big these numbers really are?
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Speaker 2: Oswords, dot com, dot au head there give us words
49:27
Speaker 2: for the campaign. I've got core flute. I want to
49:30
Speaker 2: get to that one next week, but I'm sure there
49:31
Speaker 2: are others. Thank you kel As always. Thank you too
49:34
Speaker 2: for your company. Thank you for all the stuff you're
49:36
Speaker 2: sending me. I am reading everything. There's a lot to
49:39
Speaker 2: get across, but I'm out there on the campaign trial
49:42
Speaker 2: with you up
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Speaker 3: Next and your bolt